I've honestly never cared about Sonic's eyes and thought the debate was stupid. I do like the perspective you gave as to why people weren't jazzed about it though. Really *opened my eyes.* In general I think green's the best we could've gotten.
@@urtooslow4415 It's even worse when you consider the fact that no one actually cared when they changed Sonic's design for Sonic Adventure. People only decided that green eyes were bad when Sonic 4 was announced and everyone just assumed that the black eyed design was coming back and overreacted when it didn't!
I prefer the green eyes. Aside from the fact that green is my favorite color, l think giving the characters colored eyes makes them feel more real (ignoring characters with red, yellow, or purple eyes), because real people don't have black, colorless eyes. I get that they were going for a classic cartoon look with the black eyes though, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I also think different colored eyes makes each character's design more colorful and unique. Plus, it allows for little design details like how Sonic is blue with green eyes, and rivals like Jet or Scourge are green with blue eyes. Also, definitely agree with what you said about updating the artstyle and model for sonic renders.
Definitelly agreed with all you said. Besides, I just want SEGA change somehow your shoes' form for the hot dog cozi thing. In my vision, she should be very cool to your aesthetic in general.
11:05 Just saying that the Generations model is just the Unleashed model with some additional shoe textures. Actually, the last time that we had an original and unique Sonic model was '06 (I'm not counting SR and BK, they're the same), every game after Unleashed reused its model with the same skeleton, even Colors. Games after Generations just shorten him 🙄
Great video, Chaomix. For me, the green eyes isn't a problem. Same thing with other Sonic designs. But they should just stick to one and change it 10 yes later or so.
Headcannon: Sonic wears green contact lenses to shield his eyes from the wind while running when he got older and faster (Yes I know this Headcannon doesn't r really make sense if you think about it)
4:12 I thought it was color theory. Sonic is blue, need to have some contrast with the eyes but not too much contrast, whats the best color for that? green. Its also a cool color but not just blue.
My personal headcanon is that exposure to the chaos emeralds caused the change. In Sonic 3 and Knuckles Super and Hyper Sonic have green eyes, so I’ve always just thought that over time the emeralds just sort of rubbed off on him.
One day I heard this on a video about hyper sonic, so basically what I heard was that apparently sonic has green eyes because of his hyper sonic form, but that doesn't make sense, that would mean every charecter has a hyper form, and the hyper form is non canon
my headcanon is just the residual chaos energy leftover made his eyes permanently green. In sonic 3 & knuckles his eyes become green when he becomes hyper sonic so I think that may have just permanently effected his eyes
Shadow’s eye color also seem to change, sometimes they’re reddish and sometimes they are golden. In sonic prime and in the sonic movie they went with red again and it looks nice, though I do have to admit that I kinda wish they went with golden eyes for the movie because it looks cooler and fits better with his overall color scheme imo, it creates a nice contrast. I also think that Sonic’s green eyes work great for him so I’m happy they stayed green and didn’t change to blue or something lol because green looks fr good with the blue fur
Tbh, I think it’d be cool if Sonic’s exposure to the chaos emeralds in his Super form were what made his eyes a permanent green. I mean, Super Sonic in S3&K has green eyes, after all. That must have transferred over to regular Sonic! And maybe the next stage in powerful eyes is red, I guess.
I don't think most people would even notice the eyes if they didn't become a meme for some reason. I didn't until it was pointed out a thousand times. However going off the trivia about super sonic's eyes, I can actually come up with a headcanon that they reflect his power level. That's why they're black all the time in Sonic 2, green only when he's super in Sonic 3K, and green in normal mode, red as super in every game past that. Adventure Sonic's power level is equivalent to what it was when he was super in 3K. Perhaps a result of some power lingering in him even after the transformation wears off. Red eyes are the next power level, but Sonic games started being more and more self-contained after SA2, so we never got to see him be powerful enough to always be in red eye mode, and perhaps see what eye color comes next. Or they just gave him green eyes because they felt like giving every character unique eye colors.
I honestly never liked the idea of modern and classic sonic being two different people instead of a single person presented in different ways depending o the art style. It’s like if 2d Mario was a different person then 3D Mario. At least in my mind it’s always been cooler to imagine this single character who’s been on ALL these different adventures.
I always thought that sonic gained his green eyes due to being exposed to chaos emerald energy more then the other characters, like a side effect or something like that.
Tbh my personal headcanon for the colored eyes for all of the characters are that most Mobians lack pigment in their eyes when they're young and when they reach a certain age they're eyes have more pigment and a few Mobians always have pigment in they're eyes or gain more at an earlier age.
The fact that nobody seems to be complaining about Knuckles getting Elizabeth Taylor eyes I find amusing. Green is apparently too extreme, but deep violet-blue-basically purple? Sure, why not? ;) I personally like the eye colors, though I wish there was more variety, and that a few more of the characters could also get brown eyes. I also wish Big the Cat could have more than a dot for eyes. He'd be a really cool character to give Full Heterochromia to as well since he's a cat.
Funny how the 2000s stans complaining that Sonic isn’t how they prefer him fail to realize that the classic pandering also came from a bunch of whining from the Sonic community…
I never cared about the eyes and didn't even notice it. In my case my favorite design is the Sonic Boom character designs in general (except Eggman, he looks weird in Boom)
Honestly if you really want to make yourself mad, you could think if Modern Sonic had that design since the beggining of his adventures on his timeline (considering Sonic 4 uses Uekawa's design) At the end in that case would be that it's just the look of the character, since the story will be the same. But people could begin a war just for that I like to think that Modern Sonic looked like Classic Sonic on his Genesis/Mega Drive adventures, but at some point him (and everyone) just decided to have a new look I like how now they treat Generations' Classic Sonic as a younger Sonic from another dimension, since now they could have more freedom with this "new" Classic Sonic and could develop into an alternate series of games in the classic style for some fans, while the others have the more modern style. And sometimes (just sometimes) have crossovers like Generations and Forces
The green eyes don’t bother me. I grew up pretty much with both the original and modern Sonic and absolutely both make me happy to see (well seeing old artwork of modern Sonic…not so much as the current modern Sonic) Anyway what really bothered me was the change in Sonic’s *eyelid color.* I hate his blue eyelids.. .
Oddly enough, Sonic Frontiers is trying a slightly different design (shorter quills and different body type) and like the eyes, absolute tantrums are being thrown about it.
I grew up with the modern look and prefer it over Classic, tho I’m also one of the people who’s like “Sonic is Sonic is Sonic” cuz he is the same dude after all. But when you compared the design change to the meta era transition, that kinda got me. I’ve seen a ton of different renders but it only recently clicked that something just… wasn’t right. They’re consistent… TOO consistent. It’s like Unleashed was the last really well done one and then they adopted a rhythm that, yeah, I can tell it’s getting old. Heck, everything post-Dark Age is stale now. Meanwhile, fanmade renders i.e. NibrocRock’s are amazing. I wish Sega would take some notes from them. I wish this franchise can be better someday.
i always assumed Sonic’s eyes were green because they contrasted with the rest of his design, and the fact that red/green/blue are the primary colors of light
I've only seen RGB called primary colors with computers. Magenta, Cyan, and either Yellow or Green are what I've seen be called the primary colors of light as well as the primary colors for printers. And Red, Blue, Yellow are the primary colors for paint. Where did you get that red/green/blue are the primary colors of light?
@@Hutch2Much I had to see for myself and light goes RGB not RYB since ... [Cntrl V] ✓ RGB is what monitors use for colors because monitors give off or “emit” light. The distinction here is that RGB is an additive color palette. The more color you add to it, the brighter it gets. Add all colors together, you get white. That's crazy I never would have known that
I prefer the green eyes, but what I find interesting is the fact people are having discussions about Sonic's eye only. The classic version all had black eyes. Tails' eyes being blue, Knuckles being purple, why are people not talking about these? I think it's a pointless debate as it's not going to change anything. Things change and update, and honestly eye colours just make all the designs pop~
Because Sonic is the titlular main character and the only one the edgier '90s fans care about ("eWwW TaIlS WhAt a gRoSs kIdDiE NoT CoOl tHeRe sHoUlD OnLy bE SoNiC!1") and saying "green eyes" is simply easier than saying "colored eyes"-which is actually redundant as even the classic designs had colored eyes, albeit very faintly, in certain promo illustrations-and in any case it's generally understood to be a blanket term. That answer it?
My headcanon is that due to sonics exposure to chaos energy his eyes became green by defaulf and his eyes become red when he is super since he is overflowing with chaos energy like shadow
I thought the green eyes were added to modernize the character because the classic design wouldn’t fit with what they were going for in Adventure and I agree
Pretty much this. They simply added a bit of detail to make him more presentable in higher detail environments. Sonic's final movie rendition did basically the same thing to make him presentable in a real-world setting. Boom Sonic did the exact opposite and added detail where it wasn't necessary while putting sonic in a less realistic environment.
@Pink Morales The athletic tape and scarf don't really do much besides make the design look busier. They could have done the same but with functional gear and made a much better design. Tails' boom design, on the other hand, is pretty good because the goggles and utility belt are more in line with his character traits.
Colored eyes add more depth to the character with adding to the color theme while not actually making major changes. Green connects Sonic to nature more and the way the eyes stand out fit with his attitude. Purple eyes give Knuckles give a mysterious feel and possibly royal feel, saying that there so much history connecting him to the ancient echidnas. Tails blue eyes give him a theme with Sky and connect him to Sonic more, I also like that it gives him a more humble feeling which worked great with Adventure series (the only correct way to present Tails's personality). Black eyes just give an old cartoony feel that doesn't fit as well and makes the characters seem softer.
Tails also always had an aesthetic connection to Sonic through his shoes: similarly styled to Sonic's but less loud and more smartly strapped (on the ankles instead of across the top of the foot). But Adventure 2 made Tails TOO humble if you get me; it was the start of him falling ever farther behind Sonic for no good reason besides forcing overly separate identities on the characters and making Sonic untouchable. And Amy's eyes also being green works as she's basically Sonic's wannabe girlfriend.
Perfect explanations. Wanna elaborate on that attitude point and mention the fact that most, if not all of Sonic's attitude is delivered through the eyes. Having a strong contrasting color like green does such a great job bringing attention to the eyes. In regards to Knuckles, the purple directly contrast Sonic's green so it adds to the fact that all of Knuckles color scheme directly contrast Sonic's. Genius character design
I mean, Ash Ketchum had black eyes for the longest time before artists eventually established he had brown eyes. I think the same thing is with Sonic, updating the look for a new audience...
@@CarbonRollerCaco No it’s not? Late to the party here for sure, but Ash didn’t have brown eyes. AT ALL. It’s the same thing as Sonic. They updated the design.
@@jodonthesith7172 Ash has had brown eyes since the Kanto series. In the animation sequence where it zooms in on his face especially his signature footage of throwing a pokeball, it shows the brown in his eyes. That clip has been used since the first episode. Ash normally being shown with black eyes isn't from the color being omitted but from the limitation from that choice in art style except for scenes that allow for those extra details to show.
I still believe Boom becoming the mainline design was the original intention, they just backpedaled due to the backlash. Do people not remember Modern being called "Legacy Sonic" for a time?
@@loiiysailor1177 you take sonic, mess up his hair, slice his gloves and shoes so he has to cover them with bandages, stretch him, then put shit around his neck
10:38 I TOTALLY AGREE. Ever since secret rings the renders have looked the same and ever since colors the models have looked the same, not a redesign needed but just newer proportions, make him more expressive instead of going the American sonic route and having him do the same stupid smile in every picture, sometimes modern sonic renders have different expressions but that 30th Anniversary render looks so familiar, the smile reminds me of that one generations render. The shading on the new renders are bland and the models have been the same looking since 2010, can we have some variety, back then, every sonic game had its own style of renders and models but now it feels like the renders and models have been the same.
I also agree. Every time I see stuff from the 2010s with Sonic expressing something other than that corporate/cocky smile, (comics, animated shorts, even Boom) it feels so... weird lol. Don't make emotions non-existent, Sega!
Actually there are very subtle changes to Sonics modern rendered design. If u look at unleashed and forces, you’ll notice that sonic is a lighter shade of blue, and his quills are shorter in forces
I like the change for the green eyes. Gives Sonic this more edgy look, a more determined, almost aggressive aura of coolness, much in line with what was first intended by Uekawa, with the graffiti-styled art and the long, bendy limbs. Plus, as much as it's a reference to Green Hill, I'd much rather say it's a reference to Sonic's nature-loving roots; Sonic, since his first game, is trying to protect his planet from Eggman, who in turn tries to control it and dominate it for his own benefit. The green eyes reflects this detail on top of spicing up the design with great contrast with the red shoes and the darker fur. It demands your attention when you look at the artworks and I really like it!
Ngl, I thought you would mention the archie story of Sonic just being thrown into a dimensional hell of an adventure and just appearing back home with green eyes at the end. LOL.
*sigh* The older promo pics by Naoto Ohshima REALLY needed to show the ACTUAL classic eye colors better. But Aaron Webber just wants the whole series to be a meme madhouse and will attempt to distract from class at every turn.
While I like Modern Sonic's design more I like both Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic equally because it's Sonic the Hedgehog. Modern Sonic is meant to carry the series going forward (wither if games like Sonic 06 and Sonic Forces are bad or if Sonic Adventure 1 or Sonic Colors is good). Mario Fans didn't act like this when Mario had blue overalls and red shirt going forward instead of having the red overalls and blue shirt. heck look at Zero from the Mega Man series and how he looked in Mega Man X1, Mega Man X2 though Mega Man X8 and the Mega Man Zero series it's still Zero
I’m late too the party but I feel like Classic Sonic can be cool too. Personally I believe the coolest Sonic has ever been was during the animated intro for Sonic CD.
I think the green eyes look prettier, the various colored eyes all do across the main cast! Also damn dude that audio quality got a major upgrade, sounding a lot more crisp 💟
Couldn’t agree more about the current design being stale. I’ve never liked it. The renders from the story book games and unleashed are cool because of his attitude. But Colours onward is just lifeless. He’s just there. If they want to keep using this style, then give him back his attitude. But to fix it all, have a new art style. A blend of the adventure era and pre colours. That could very well be the best style for sonic if they provide him with enough attitude and dynamic poses. Because let’s me honest, sonic works as a dynamic character. Standing there wagging a finger just doesn’t hit right. Even Mario in odyssey has more attitude and style than sonic does in forces
Where's the early days of sonic? where's the black eyes?! NOT THIS GREEN EYED RAT. -Nostalgia Blind Sonic Fan. honestly, i don't exactly care what color his eyes are.
Honestly, I can see an origin for this; After exposure to the raw energy of the Super Emeralds, Sonic's body absorbed a fraction of Chaos Energy into his very being, this allows the usage of the homing attack, the lightspeed dash, and the ability to utilize Chaos Control to a limited degree in his base form. Or something like that.
West Side Island still needed repair after S3&K. I don't regard Hyper Sonic as canon to that game specifically since it would technically still require the Master Emerald to be in place, but Sonic after having gone Super could still enhance the Emeralds' healing power. Since it's suggested he's closely tied to Chaos, some of his latent power could've been drawn out by the Emeralds.
An interesting theory, but that doesn't explain how the other characters got their coloured irises. That's always the problem with trying to come up with a canonical explanation. Both the Archie and Fleetway comics seemed to have made this mistake. It's also a little odd that Archie felt it necessary to give an explanation for the art style change, when their art style was constantly changing due to different artists.
The way I see it, Sonic would just look strange with the modern design and black eyes. Black eyes felt like a hardware limitation, so now that the design is more complex, why not add more detail? Also it looks better.
While the color of his eyes doesn’t matter that much to me, I do admit that the colored eyes for the characters of the Sonic series gives each of them unique character features and greater range in their facial expressions.
The fact that those people fought over Sonic's design is just ridiculous. Sonic, no matter if it's Classic, Modern, Archie, what ever, they are still Sonic! Even then, goo video! ^^
Green Eyes was the first time it clearly happened mid-canon, and not a lot of people get how eye color works IRL, so it came off as needless and tryhard at best and canon-rending at worst. Plus it came with a voice change and normal humans, and those ESPECIALLY pissed off the Western cartoon fans who wanted Jaleel White and a SatAM-esque canon.
When I started seeing artwork and teasers for Adventure, I thought the design looked really cool. Like you said, the character was growing up with me. I have room in my heart for both versions of the character.
Aside from the origin of those green hill eyes, I think overall it fits his modern look. You want him to be seperate from his old design? A dip of color wouldn't hurt. But I guess it did for the rest.
Brightly colored eyes come off as less "intense" than fully or mostly solid black eyes to some, many don't understand that real eye colors aren't always fixed, either, and the new eye colors came with other things that pissed off the SatAM fans in particular, thus the Adventure Sonic characters were rationalized as different from even the incarnations in the older games. If hashtags had been around in the '90s, NotMySonic would've been a trender around Sonic Adventure's release. And the modern designs weren't originally supposed to be taller than the classic ones, just more athletic. The "taller" thing only became canonized with Generations.
7:11 I like the boom design quite a bit, it just has a bit more to it than sonic usually has. The simplicity of sonic is great too, but if youre gonna go simple, may as well go all the way back to classic sonic. The modern sonic just seems like an odd middle ground to me now.
I don't care about the eye color BUT I really really appreciate you saying that it's ok to discuss it and people shouldn't hate on discussion about minute things
8:15 There's not just two iterations of Sonic. What made modern Sonic and classic Sonic separate was how they look different, act different, talk different, and even play differently from each other. Sonic in the Dreamcast era (1998-2004) had Ryan Drummond as the voice actor, knew when to take things seriously, looked MUCH different from modern Sonic, and the games that Dreamcast Era Sonic is in don't have the boost.
3:58 Wrong. Like many other games at the time the true reason was because the *US* was making the redesign, not JPN. As stated *multiple times* from official sources from SEGA that Sonic Team migrated over time to create games for a global audience instead of a local audience while still being released worldwide. US was always trying to appeal to western audiences the whole time, changes to make Sonic and his friends look edgy and cool, aka more serious and tough like they did with the promotional and box art from Sonic 1 to Sonic 3&K . The box and promotional style can even be be compared to the change as you can tell *over time* they shifted the design a lot smaller until the sonic adventure we see today as that game was created to be the saving point from the sonic franchise nearly dropping dead like in sonic 06 and boom, they made sonic adventure to save the franchise along with the Dreamcast. The reason we still have that modern sonic design and promotional artwork, as once again stated, is because the main director in charge of Sonic Team *now* in the US is in charge of the Sonic Franchise and a big part of the downhill trend we still have to this day. If you still don't believe me, Yuji Naka left Sonic Team for that reason and is the reason why to this day has still been gone from that company.
As a child I use to associate green eyes sonic with the thought of him coming from a reboot series. The adventure era never really referenced the past games, it felt like a different character that’s probably why I wasn’t as much of as fan of modern.feels like a different continuity.
Tbf the Adventure games referenced quite a bit from the Classic games. Certain stage motifs, lore (building off of Angel Island), plot points (like Knuckles being tricked again) etc. I guess I see what you mean tho. It does feel different.
Sonic Adventure lore was based off Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 game manuals. Sonic 2 manual tells a story about an ancient civilization, which used the magic stones to prosper, but one day sined and was almost completely destroyed by the gods. Sonic 3 manual says Angel Island was created by the gods from the parts of the islands echidnas lived on. In Sonic Adventure one archeologist states that the ground from the fallen Angel Island is very similar to the ground from the Mystic Ruins. Also one kid on the street mentions that Sonic has saved Angel Island and Little Planet. Amy remembers Sonic CD as well, so as Tails remembers the way he met Sonic (from the Sonic 2 manual).
As someone who grew up with the Classic games but still enjoys games from basically every era of the franchise, the only time I was ever put off by the use of the Modern Sonic design was specifically regarding Sonic 4. When I heard there was going to be a Sonic 4 and it'd be a 2D game like the classic Genesis titles, my mind immediately went to Mega Man 9 and 10. Same art style, same gameplay, but with new stories, levels, and adventures. What we got was... basically the opposite of that. Modern Sonic design, new art style, but what was essentially a direct repeat story with recreations of old zones, enemies, and bosses. They kept the stuff they should've changed, and changed the stuff they should've kept.
Personally, I prefer the green eyes simply because they're a pop of colour that's quite effective at drawing your attention to his face. As with Knuckles' purple eyes(probably one of my favourite parts of Knuckles' modern design), I think it's a good contrast that gives Sonic more expression than the full black ones do. I still think giving green eyes to classic Sonic is a bad idea though, because it doesn't work as well with the design of him. Let's just hope SEGA never does anything stupid like that.
Yay, another video from Chaomix! *LESS GO!* Chaomix can I say something? Why is it that before Sonic had black eyes (everyone knows that) and when he turned Super/Hyper Sonic, he had green eyes. Then when Sonic's look changed: Sonic got green eyes and when he turns Super, he gets red eyes! I like Sonic and it doesn't matter if their eyes are just black or green! I love him just as he is!
While the chaos exposure is really plausible, my headcanon for the change in design is like the creator said - the character grew up. Idk maybe change in eye color come with age, we don't know their biology. (Also goes with my age theory of how classic sonic is much younger then adventure sonic, and adventure is younger than modern (12->15->18).
Let me know what you think about Sonic's green eyes! Do you prefer them over the classic black eyes?
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Yup. And second.
I really don't care. Both of them are great.
I personally don't care they are just eyes
i like both of them i think both have their own merits :]
but when i think of sonic i think of green eyes
I've honestly never cared about Sonic's eyes and thought the debate was stupid. I do like the perspective you gave as to why people weren't jazzed about it though. Really *opened my eyes.* In general I think green's the best we could've gotten.
I also think that people complaining over a design change(modern sonic) is very fucking stupid. I mean.... WHATS WRONG ITS JUST A DESIGN CHANGE
@@urtooslow4415 It's even worse when you consider the fact that no one actually cared when they changed Sonic's design for Sonic Adventure. People only decided that green eyes were bad when Sonic 4 was announced and everyone just assumed that the black eyed design was coming back and overreacted when it didn't!
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Agreed
As a kid I thought that Sonic eyes were always green but Sonic Team just forgot to make it green in Sonic 1
I prefer the green eyes. Aside from the fact that green is my favorite color, l think giving the characters colored eyes makes them feel more real (ignoring characters with red, yellow, or purple eyes), because real people don't have black, colorless eyes. I get that they were going for a classic cartoon look with the black eyes though, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I also think different colored eyes makes each character's design more colorful and unique. Plus, it allows for little design details like how Sonic is blue with green eyes, and rivals like Jet or Scourge are green with blue eyes.
Also, definitely agree with what you said about updating the artstyle and model for sonic renders.
Green really does compliment sonic
Definitelly agreed with all you said. Besides, I just want SEGA change somehow your shoes' form for the hot dog cozi thing. In my vision, she should be very cool to your aesthetic in general.
I’ve definitely seen people with black eyes so idk
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6:11 Don't forget that in Sonic X, where when he turns Super, his eyes are the color orange.
11:05 Just saying that the Generations model is just the Unleashed model with some additional shoe textures.
Actually, the last time that we had an original and unique Sonic model was '06 (I'm not counting SR and BK, they're the same), every game after Unleashed reused its model with the same skeleton, even Colors. Games after Generations just shorten him 🙄
And tbf the unleashed/generations is basically just a slightly modified heroes design
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Great video, Chaomix. For me, the green eyes isn't a problem. Same thing with other Sonic designs. But they should just stick to one and change it 10 yes later or so.
Instant Transmissioning into the battlefield in a discussion is a power move already
Headcannon: Sonic wears green contact lenses to shield his eyes from the wind while running when he got older and faster (Yes I know this Headcannon doesn't r really make sense if you think about it)
4:12 I thought it was color theory. Sonic is blue, need to have some contrast with the eyes but not too much contrast, whats the best color for that? green. Its also a cool color but not just blue.
My personal headcanon is that exposure to the chaos emeralds caused the change. In Sonic 3 and Knuckles Super and Hyper Sonic have green eyes, so I’ve always just thought that over time the emeralds just sort of rubbed off on him.
7:34 thats just what happens when you use twitter
3:45 I didn't need to see this today. I didn't need to know it exists.
personally I like sonic’s green eyes because it just adds a bit more colors to his design
One day I heard this on a video about hyper sonic, so basically what I heard was that apparently sonic has green eyes because of his hyper sonic form, but that doesn't make sense, that would mean every charecter has a hyper form, and the hyper form is non canon
my headcanon is just the residual chaos energy leftover made his eyes permanently green. In sonic 3 & knuckles his eyes become green when he becomes hyper sonic so I think that may have just permanently effected his eyes
Most art teachers point them out as the opposite colour to red.
I always thought sonic's eyes were green to foreshadow his use of the chaos emeralds or show his connection
I noticed that at the end of Sonic 3&Knuckles if you look closely Sonic has green eyes.
Shadow’s eye color also seem to change, sometimes they’re reddish and sometimes they are golden. In sonic prime and in the sonic movie they went with red again and it looks nice, though I do have to admit that I kinda wish they went with golden eyes for the movie because it looks cooler and fits better with his overall color scheme imo, it creates a nice contrast. I also think that Sonic’s green eyes work great for him so I’m happy they stayed green and didn’t change to blue or something lol because green looks fr good with the blue fur
Tbh, I think it’d be cool if Sonic’s exposure to the chaos emeralds in his Super form were what made his eyes a permanent green. I mean, Super Sonic in S3&K has green eyes, after all. That must have transferred over to regular Sonic! And maybe the next stage in powerful eyes is red, I guess.
ya were just gonna act like we didn't see the light flashing when he teleported
I don't think most people would even notice the eyes if they didn't become a meme for some reason. I didn't until it was pointed out a thousand times. However going off the trivia about super sonic's eyes, I can actually come up with a headcanon that they reflect his power level. That's why they're black all the time in Sonic 2, green only when he's super in Sonic 3K, and green in normal mode, red as super in every game past that. Adventure Sonic's power level is equivalent to what it was when he was super in 3K. Perhaps a result of some power lingering in him even after the transformation wears off. Red eyes are the next power level, but Sonic games started being more and more self-contained after SA2, so we never got to see him be powerful enough to always be in red eye mode, and perhaps see what eye color comes next. Or they just gave him green eyes because they felt like giving every character unique eye colors.
I honestly never liked the idea of modern and classic sonic being two different people instead of a single person presented in different ways depending o the art style. It’s like if 2d Mario was a different person then 3D Mario. At least in my mind it’s always been cooler to imagine this single character who’s been on ALL these different adventures.
I see classic Sonic as a child, and modern Sonic the older version, all grown up, similar to how a human baby's eyes change colors as they grow up! :)
This eye color argument is just reminding me of the blue vs tan arms debate-
I always thought that sonic gained his green eyes due to being exposed to chaos emerald energy more then the other characters, like a side effect or something like that.
You know, Sonic has one big eye with two pupils
Tbh my personal headcanon for the colored eyes for all of the characters are that most Mobians lack pigment in their eyes when they're young and when they reach a certain age they're eyes have more pigment and a few Mobians always have pigment in they're eyes or gain more at an earlier age.
Doesn't he technically just have one eye, though? Two PUPILS, but one eye.
The fact that nobody seems to be complaining about Knuckles getting Elizabeth Taylor eyes I find amusing. Green is apparently too extreme, but deep violet-blue-basically purple? Sure, why not? ;) I personally like the eye colors, though I wish there was more variety, and that a few more of the characters could also get brown eyes. I also wish Big the Cat could have more than a dot for eyes. He'd be a really cool character to give Full Heterochromia to as well since he's a cat.
Funny how the 2000s stans complaining that Sonic isn’t how they prefer him fail to realize that the classic pandering also came from a bunch of whining from the Sonic community…
Just wait till the blue eyelids debate
I thumbs upped and subscribed for that intro alone lol
I never cared about the eyes and didn't even notice it. In my case my favorite design is the Sonic Boom character designs in general (except Eggman, he looks weird in Boom)
Green Eyes, the predecessor of Blue Arms
I like both. Prefer green eyes because the Sonic I grew up with in SA2 forward.
Sonic’s eyes appear black but they are actually Dark Brown if you examine the comics closely
Honestly if you really want to make yourself mad, you could think if Modern Sonic had that design since the beggining of his adventures on his timeline (considering Sonic 4 uses Uekawa's design)
At the end in that case would be that it's just the look of the character, since the story will be the same. But people could begin a war just for that
I like to think that Modern Sonic looked like Classic Sonic on his Genesis/Mega Drive adventures, but at some point him (and everyone) just decided to have a new look
I like how now they treat Generations' Classic Sonic as a younger Sonic from another dimension, since now they could have more freedom with this "new" Classic Sonic and could develop into an alternate series of games in the classic style for some fans, while the others have the more modern style. And sometimes (just sometimes) have crossovers like Generations and Forces
I honestly kinda hope we get another game like sonic mania maybe even throw in some new villains.
Two words ,adventure style
The green eyes don’t bother me. I grew up pretty much with both the original and modern Sonic and absolutely both make me happy to see (well seeing old artwork of modern Sonic…not so much as the current modern Sonic)
Anyway what really bothered me was the change in Sonic’s *eyelid color.* I hate his blue eyelids.. .
I always think that the reason he got green eyes that he just gotten older overtime he just got green eyes I could be wrong but that is my thinking
He just put on colored contacts because he thought it was cool.
I like both designs.
so when do we talk about arm color
Oddly enough, Sonic Frontiers is trying a slightly different design (shorter quills and different body type) and like the eyes, absolute tantrums are being thrown about it.
I grew up with the modern look and prefer it over Classic, tho I’m also one of the people who’s like “Sonic is Sonic is Sonic” cuz he is the same dude after all. But when you compared the design change to the meta era transition, that kinda got me. I’ve seen a ton of different renders but it only recently clicked that something just… wasn’t right. They’re consistent… TOO consistent. It’s like Unleashed was the last really well done one and then they adopted a rhythm that, yeah, I can tell it’s getting old. Heck, everything post-Dark Age is stale now. Meanwhile, fanmade renders i.e. NibrocRock’s are amazing. I wish Sega would take some notes from them.
I wish this franchise can be better someday.
Do a video about Sonic's mouth next.
Forget about black or green eyes, the thumbnail is giving me hard chills why is it so disturbing to me lmaoo
I prefer my eyes, aka Zote the Mighty’s eyes.
Broke: Arguing about Sonic's eye color
Woke: Arguing about Sonic's eyelid color
Even more woke: shoewear
@@gamingnubs7628 Ultra woke: Shade of blue
@@jamiegioca9448 omega woke: backspike size
@Nhakunk God Tier Woke: Shade of green eyecolor.
@@stellaviewer9849 Legend tier woke: Best friends
i always assumed Sonic’s eyes were green because they contrasted with the rest of his design, and the fact that red/green/blue are the primary colors of light
I've only seen RGB called primary colors with computers.
Magenta, Cyan, and either Yellow or Green are what I've seen be called the primary colors of light as well as the primary colors for printers.
And Red, Blue, Yellow are the primary colors for paint.
Where did you get that red/green/blue are the primary colors of light?
@@hazelv.a.7976 uhh, literally the first search result in Google
@@Hutch2Much then it’s cap
@@Hutch2Much I had to see for myself and light goes RGB not RYB since ... [Cntrl V] ✓ RGB is what monitors use for colors because monitors give off or “emit” light. The distinction here is that RGB is an additive color palette. The more color you add to it, the brighter it gets. Add all colors together, you get white.
That's crazy I never would have known that
RYB are primary, OGP are secondary according to the Color Theory.
I prefer the green eyes, but what I find interesting is the fact people are having discussions about Sonic's eye only. The classic version all had black eyes. Tails' eyes being blue, Knuckles being purple, why are people not talking about these? I think it's a pointless debate as it's not going to change anything. Things change and update, and honestly eye colours just make all the designs pop~
Because Sonic is the titlular main character and the only one the edgier '90s fans care about ("eWwW TaIlS WhAt a gRoSs kIdDiE NoT CoOl tHeRe sHoUlD OnLy bE SoNiC!1") and saying "green eyes" is simply easier than saying "colored eyes"-which is actually redundant as even the classic designs had colored eyes, albeit very faintly, in certain promo illustrations-and in any case it's generally understood to be a blanket term. That answer it?
@@CarbonRollerCaco tf
People just want something to bitch about
@@SoDoesTobi fr
@@SoDoesTobi For a series that started out with artwork so surreal and vibrant you think they’d welcome the green
My headcanon is that due to sonics exposure to chaos energy his eyes became green by defaulf and his eyes become red when he is super since he is overflowing with chaos energy like shadow
Me too
I love that headcanon!
What about all other characters
@@petra080171 I was about to say that. Well, neither of the two comics bothered to explain that either I think.
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I thought the green eyes were added to modernize the character because the classic design wouldn’t fit with what they were going for in Adventure and I agree
Pretty much this. They simply added a bit of detail to make him more presentable in higher detail environments. Sonic's final movie rendition did basically the same thing to make him presentable in a real-world setting. Boom Sonic did the exact opposite and added detail where it wasn't necessary while putting sonic in a less realistic environment.
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@Pink Morales The athletic tape and scarf don't really do much besides make the design look busier. They could have done the same but with functional gear and made a much better design. Tails' boom design, on the other hand, is pretty good because the goggles and utility belt are more in line with his character traits.
@@GoldenGrenadier I really liked Amy's new outfit
Colored eyes add more depth to the character with adding to the color theme while not actually making major changes. Green connects Sonic to nature more and the way the eyes stand out fit with his attitude. Purple eyes give Knuckles give a mysterious feel and possibly royal feel, saying that there so much history connecting him to the ancient echidnas. Tails blue eyes give him a theme with Sky and connect him to Sonic more, I also like that it gives him a more humble feeling which worked great with Adventure series (the only correct way to present Tails's personality).
Black eyes just give an old cartoony feel that doesn't fit as well and makes the characters seem softer.
Tails also always had an aesthetic connection to Sonic through his shoes: similarly styled to Sonic's but less loud and more smartly strapped (on the ankles instead of across the top of the foot). But Adventure 2 made Tails TOO humble if you get me; it was the start of him falling ever farther behind Sonic for no good reason besides forcing overly separate identities on the characters and making Sonic untouchable. And Amy's eyes also being green works as she's basically Sonic's wannabe girlfriend.
@@CarbonRollerCaco I don't get you
Not to mention that it just looks natural, like, in 3D it looks weird to have no irises.
Perfect explanations. Wanna elaborate on that attitude point and mention the fact that most, if not all of Sonic's attitude is delivered through the eyes. Having a strong contrasting color like green does such a great job bringing attention to the eyes.
In regards to Knuckles, the purple directly contrast Sonic's green so it adds to the fact that all of Knuckles color scheme directly contrast Sonic's. Genius character design
@@CarbonRollerCaco Well, that, and that Amy was supposed to kinda be a female version of Sonic, when she was first created.
I mean, Ash Ketchum had black eyes for the longest time before artists eventually established he had brown eyes. I think the same thing is with Sonic, updating the look for a new audience...
That was obviously just fleshing out details, not adding what wasn't previously there.
@@CarbonRollerCaco No it’s not? Late to the party here for sure, but Ash didn’t have brown eyes. AT ALL. It’s the same thing as Sonic. They updated the design.
@@jodonthesith7172 Ash has had brown eyes since the Kanto series. In the animation sequence where it zooms in on his face especially his signature footage of throwing a pokeball, it shows the brown in his eyes. That clip has been used since the first episode. Ash normally being shown with black eyes isn't from the color being omitted but from the limitation from that choice in art style except for scenes that allow for those extra details to show.
@@TheBlkKat I mean… Thanks. That’s a pretty interesting fact I guess.
Seeing Eggman's 06 eyes from the front was honestly the biggest scare this years Halloween had to offer me. I prefer him keeping on the goggles.
he made me throw up 3 coins
“hyper-realistic eggman can’t hurt you”
hyper-realistic eggman:
I knew there were eyes behind his goggles in 06 but i don’t like him without goggles
Agree
I still believe Boom becoming the mainline design was the original intention, they just backpedaled due to the backlash. Do people not remember Modern being called "Legacy Sonic" for a time?
SO glad that didn't happen. Boom's designs hardly felt like an improvement over the Modern ones.
I don't like B Sonics brown scruff doesn't fit with blue red abd green
@@loiiysailor1177 you take sonic, mess up his hair, slice his gloves and shoes so he has to cover them with bandages, stretch him, then put shit around his neck
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I liked Sonic's design in boom, however I felt it was a design best suited to that branch of the Sonic-verse rather than the main cannon.
When I was younger, I’ve always though Sonic got his eyes from getting more mature. And what I mean from that is puberty-
16's kind of late to hit puberty. And 8's kind of early in Tails's case. Then again, Sonic Shuffle.
Same
True. Plus I saw on the fandom that when Sonic got older, he developed green eyes
@@CarbonRollerCaco well that doesnt means games have to follow behind each other, there could be time inbetween
10:38
I TOTALLY AGREE.
Ever since secret rings the renders have looked the same and ever since colors the models have looked the same, not a redesign needed but just newer proportions, make him more expressive instead of going the American sonic route and having him do the same stupid smile in every picture, sometimes modern sonic renders have different expressions but that 30th Anniversary render looks so familiar, the smile reminds me of that one generations render.
The shading on the new renders are bland and the models have been the same looking since 2010, can we have some variety, back then, every sonic game had its own style of renders and models but now it feels like the renders and models have been the same.
I also agree. Every time I see stuff from the 2010s with Sonic expressing something other than that corporate/cocky smile, (comics, animated shorts, even Boom) it feels so... weird lol. Don't make emotions non-existent, Sega!
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@@Austroid The smile looks obnoxiously douchey. Fitting for Meta Era Sonic.
100% agree
Actually there are very subtle changes to Sonics modern rendered design. If u look at unleashed and forces, you’ll notice that sonic is a lighter shade of blue, and his quills are shorter in forces
"what's the deal with green eyes!?"
- Jerry Seinfeld
I like the change for the green eyes. Gives Sonic this more edgy look, a more determined, almost aggressive aura of coolness, much in line with what was first intended by Uekawa, with the graffiti-styled art and the long, bendy limbs.
Plus, as much as it's a reference to Green Hill, I'd much rather say it's a reference to Sonic's nature-loving roots; Sonic, since his first game, is trying to protect his planet from Eggman, who in turn tries to control it and dominate it for his own benefit. The green eyes reflects this detail on top of spicing up the design with great contrast with the red shoes and the darker fur. It demands your attention when you look at the artworks and I really like it!
Ngl, I thought you would mention the archie story of Sonic just being thrown into a dimensional hell of an adventure and just appearing back home with green eyes at the end. LOL.
In uk's Sonic the Comic, he gets the green eyes after being swallowed by Perfect Chaos... Lots of creative reasons!
He did
I did mention it lol
@@chaomix oh. Lol
Ahh, the thumbnail really explains why Sonic had black eyes in the 16 bit games, he forget his contacts!
That's why he couldn't see that far ahead, he's near-sighted 😯
@@surgeeo1406 Imagine if "widescreen is non-canon" becomes another big controversy within the fandom.
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*sigh* The older promo pics by Naoto Ohshima REALLY needed to show the ACTUAL classic eye colors better. But Aaron Webber just wants the whole series to be a meme madhouse and will attempt to distract from class at every turn.
I prefer modern sonic design because he feels cool and full of life while classic fedls like a cute kiddy 90s mascot which is not bad
While I like Modern Sonic's design more I like both Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic equally because it's Sonic the Hedgehog. Modern Sonic is meant to carry the series going forward (wither if games like Sonic 06 and Sonic Forces are bad or if Sonic Adventure 1 or Sonic Colors is good). Mario Fans didn't act like this when Mario had blue overalls and red shirt going forward instead of having the red overalls and blue shirt. heck look at Zero from the Mega Man series and how he looked in Mega Man X1, Mega Man X2 though Mega Man X8 and the Mega Man Zero series it's still Zero
I’m late too the party but I feel like Classic Sonic can be cool too. Personally I believe the coolest Sonic has ever been was during the animated intro for Sonic CD.
This is a pretty spooky episode chaomix
I think the green eyes look prettier, the various colored eyes all do across the main cast! Also damn dude that audio quality got a major upgrade, sounding a lot more crisp 💟
Couldn’t agree more about the current design being stale. I’ve never liked it. The renders from the story book games and unleashed are cool because of his attitude. But Colours onward is just lifeless. He’s just there. If they want to keep using this style, then give him back his attitude. But to fix it all, have a new art style. A blend of the adventure era and pre colours. That could very well be the best style for sonic if they provide him with enough attitude and dynamic poses. Because let’s me honest, sonic works as a dynamic character. Standing there wagging a finger just doesn’t hit right. Even Mario in odyssey has more attitude and style than sonic does in forces
Where's the early days of sonic? where's the black eyes?! NOT THIS GREEN EYED RAT. -Nostalgia Blind Sonic Fan.
honestly, i don't exactly care what color his eyes are.
Honestly, I can see an origin for this; After exposure to the raw energy of the Super Emeralds, Sonic's body absorbed a fraction of Chaos Energy into his very being, this allows the usage of the homing attack, the lightspeed dash, and the ability to utilize Chaos Control to a limited degree in his base form.
Or something like that.
West Side Island still needed repair after S3&K. I don't regard Hyper Sonic as canon to that game specifically since it would technically still require the Master Emerald to be in place, but Sonic after having gone Super could still enhance the Emeralds' healing power. Since it's suggested he's closely tied to Chaos, some of his latent power could've been drawn out by the Emeralds.
@@CarbonRollerCaco Also possible, why can't Sonic Team hire writers as competent as us? I'm just spitballing ideas.
An interesting theory, but that doesn't explain how the other characters got their coloured irises.
That's always the problem with trying to come up with a canonical explanation. Both the Archie and Fleetway comics seemed to have made this mistake. It's also a little odd that Archie felt it necessary to give an explanation for the art style change, when their art style was constantly changing due to different artists.
Ok, can you explain for the other cast change in eye color
That's accurate as f.
The way I see it, Sonic would just look strange with the modern design and black eyes. Black eyes felt like a hardware limitation, so now that the design is more complex, why not add more detail?
Also it looks better.
No not really sonics eyes were always black from design standpoint
While the color of his eyes doesn’t matter that much to me, I do admit that the colored eyes for the characters of the Sonic series gives each of them unique character features and greater range in their facial expressions.
I remember someone said that they Refused to play Sonic Adventure solely because Sonic had Green Eyes
Which is the most bullshit reason ever!
Good they deserve a terrible life
Lol they don't deserve playing such a great game like SA1 for such a silly reason.
Choosing between modern and classic shouldn't be something to argue about sonic is sonic
To be honest it would make sense if it was contacts. I don't really get why the comics made it Chaos energy or something it just feels unnecessary.
The fact that those people fought over Sonic's design is just ridiculous. Sonic, no matter if it's Classic, Modern, Archie, what ever, they are still Sonic!
Even then, goo video! ^^
Green Eyes was the first time it clearly happened mid-canon, and not a lot of people get how eye color works IRL, so it came off as needless and tryhard at best and canon-rending at worst. Plus it came with a voice change and normal humans, and those ESPECIALLY pissed off the Western cartoon fans who wanted Jaleel White and a SatAM-esque canon.
3:48 Ngl, I thought Uekawa's reasoning for the green eyes would be "it looked cool!" Honestly never knew it was a ref to Green Hill Zone. 😮
When I started seeing artwork and teasers for Adventure, I thought the design looked really cool. Like you said, the character was growing up with me. I have room in my heart for both versions of the character.
Aside from the origin of those green hill eyes, I think overall it fits his modern look. You want him to be seperate from his old design? A dip of color wouldn't hurt. But I guess it did for the rest.
I never understood why people bashed on modern sonic. I mean hes just sonic with green eyes and a taller version of him
Brightly colored eyes come off as less "intense" than fully or mostly solid black eyes to some, many don't understand that real eye colors aren't always fixed, either, and the new eye colors came with other things that pissed off the SatAM fans in particular, thus the Adventure Sonic characters were rationalized as different from even the incarnations in the older games. If hashtags had been around in the '90s, NotMySonic would've been a trender around Sonic Adventure's release.
And the modern designs weren't originally supposed to be taller than the classic ones, just more athletic. The "taller" thing only became canonized with Generations.
@@CarbonRollerCaco kk
7:11 I like the boom design quite a bit, it just has a bit more to it than sonic usually has. The simplicity of sonic is great too, but if youre gonna go simple, may as well go all the way back to classic sonic. The modern sonic just seems like an odd middle ground to me now.
boom sonic is slightly overdesigned from the excessiveness of the athletic tape, so I usually smooth it out to keep the look but not remove them
I care as much about the color of Sonic's eyes as I do the color of his arms.
I don't
Chaomix always comes up with the wackiest thumbnails and I love it.
I don't care about the eye color BUT I really really appreciate you saying that it's ok to discuss it and people shouldn't hate on discussion about minute things
Personally I love the design with the green eyes. It looks cooler
I like to think that sonic's eye color changed as he aged, along with all his other friends.
8:15 There's not just two iterations of Sonic. What made modern Sonic and classic Sonic separate was how they look different, act different, talk different, and even play differently from each other. Sonic in the Dreamcast era (1998-2004) had Ryan Drummond as the voice actor, knew when to take things seriously, looked MUCH different from modern Sonic, and the games that Dreamcast Era Sonic is in don't have the boost.
10:58 didn't TSR already do something like that
I can't even start to imagine the outcry if Mario or Zelda fans had been that much passionate.
3:58 Wrong.
Like many other games at the time the true reason was because the *US* was making the redesign, not JPN.
As stated *multiple times* from official sources from SEGA that Sonic Team migrated over time to create games for a global audience instead of a local audience while still being released worldwide. US was always trying to appeal to western audiences the whole time, changes to make Sonic and his friends look edgy and cool, aka more serious and tough like they did with the promotional and box art from Sonic 1 to Sonic 3&K .
The box and promotional style can even be be compared to the change as you can tell *over time* they shifted the design a lot smaller until the sonic adventure we see today as that game was created to be the saving point from the sonic franchise nearly dropping dead like in sonic 06 and boom, they made sonic adventure to save the franchise along with the Dreamcast.
The reason we still have that modern sonic design and promotional artwork, as once again stated, is because the main director in charge of Sonic Team *now* in the US is in charge of the Sonic Franchise and a big part of the downhill trend we still have to this day.
If you still don't believe me, Yuji Naka left Sonic Team for that reason and is the reason why to this day has still been gone from that company.
As a child I use to associate green eyes sonic with the thought of him coming from a reboot series. The adventure era never really referenced the past games, it felt like a different character that’s probably why I wasn’t as much of as fan of modern.feels like a different continuity.
Tbf the Adventure games referenced quite a bit from the Classic games. Certain stage motifs, lore (building off of Angel Island), plot points (like Knuckles being tricked again) etc. I guess I see what you mean tho. It does feel different.
Sonic Adventure lore was based off Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 game manuals.
Sonic 2 manual tells a story about an ancient civilization, which used the magic stones to prosper, but one day sined and was almost completely destroyed by the gods.
Sonic 3 manual says Angel Island was created by the gods from the parts of the islands echidnas lived on.
In Sonic Adventure one archeologist states that the ground from the fallen Angel Island is very similar to the ground from the Mystic Ruins.
Also one kid on the street mentions that Sonic has saved Angel Island and Little Planet. Amy remembers Sonic CD as well, so as Tails remembers the way he met Sonic (from the Sonic 2 manual).
Funny because what you though of as a child is kinda true now since Classic Sonic and Modern aren’t even the same character anymore officially.
Green eyes sonic killed my family.
As someone who grew up with the Classic games but still enjoys games from basically every era of the franchise, the only time I was ever put off by the use of the Modern Sonic design was specifically regarding Sonic 4. When I heard there was going to be a Sonic 4 and it'd be a 2D game like the classic Genesis titles, my mind immediately went to Mega Man 9 and 10. Same art style, same gameplay, but with new stories, levels, and adventures. What we got was... basically the opposite of that. Modern Sonic design, new art style, but what was essentially a direct repeat story with recreations of old zones, enemies, and bosses. They kept the stuff they should've changed, and changed the stuff they should've kept.
To be honest, I really like that Chaos design
Personally, I prefer the green eyes simply because they're a pop of colour that's quite effective at drawing your attention to his face. As with Knuckles' purple eyes(probably one of my favourite parts of Knuckles' modern design), I think it's a good contrast that gives Sonic more expression than the full black ones do. I still think giving green eyes to classic Sonic is a bad idea though, because it doesn't work as well with the design of him. Let's just hope SEGA never does anything stupid like that.
that’s exactly why I like the green eyes
Yay, another video from Chaomix! *LESS GO!*
Chaomix can I say something? Why is it that before Sonic had black eyes (everyone knows that) and when he turned Super/Hyper Sonic, he had green eyes. Then when Sonic's look changed: Sonic got green eyes and when he turns Super, he gets red eyes!
I like Sonic and it doesn't matter if their eyes are just black or green! I love him just as he is!
While the chaos exposure is really plausible, my headcanon for the change in design is like the creator said - the character grew up.
Idk maybe change in eye color come with age, we don't know their biology.
(Also goes with my age theory of how classic sonic is much younger then adventure sonic, and adventure is younger than modern (12->15->18).
Honestly i didn't know there were any conversations about sonics green eyes in the fandome so thanks for bringing it to my attention (i guess)
5:30 weird moment LOL