SHOGUN 1x7 "A Stick of Time" Reaction & Discussion!
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I worked on this episode but sadly cant be seen. I was one of Saeki's troops. Somewhere in that sea of gray samurai shot from birds eye. There are probably some cgi me walking about.
OMG congrats for being on an incredible show!!!!
Thanks for your work.
Did you see Lady Kiku's actress?😂
Did you shoot in a sound stage, or was the set outside? If it was outside, how cold was it?
@@Herocoldfinger Honestly I’m. Not sure I saw the three main actors and the Jesuit priest because I was in their scenes. There where a few pretty Japanese ladies about. Didnt make note of her since I didn’t know the actress or character.
Some days where cold I remember a day my kimonos was completely soaked from the rain. I got rejected from a scene but called back later for another. Drenched while waiting
She's not giving him a plan. She's telling him she's aware he has a plan. She asks him, why didn't he have a spy that told him about this big army moving towards his poorly defended garrison? Seems kiiinda dumb for someone of Toranaga's smarts hmm? So she's fairly comfortable talking about her future plans, because she believes there's a future.
This, another sneaky sneaky, but I'm curious how this will turn into the battle of sekigahara. Also to anyone who read the book, don't answer this lol.
@@gustlightfall “Wretched Kobayakawa Hideaki. Within three years, my curse be upon you.”
This also tracks with Toranaga's flaw of him refusing to trust anyone with his plans, even his own son. This stubborn nature of keeping his plans secret to himself led his son to be reckless and get himself killed. Maybe the remaining episodes will also have him realizing his mistake in his unwillingness to trust anyone
Seem like crimson skies is already happening, 2 force their way in2 Osaka is madness but wat if they r escorted in2 Osaka? Tat makes things so much easier.i think Lady Madam is able 2 see thou his plan, with her guibe & e nature of her tea house, she would be a valuable ally
@@sohmingjianthat’s my reasoning also
Toronaga yelling at his son not to accept the note makes his death feel so much more tragic
You can only wish those dumb, impulsive young men live long enough to gain some wisdom. Sometimes they don't. ☹
Toranaga is a tactician, a specialist in political, social and military affairs , this episode showed how long or old he has survived in this lifestyle and won and survived battles, he has a plan and he is always two steps ahead of anyone, he fooled the council when he left and revoked his position, and he sees the value in the barbarian everyone wants to kill already. There is no way he is surrendering.
Of course, remember he told Mariko to ensure Anjin was quiet for the first meeting with Toanaga's brother, he made no such request for when he gave his 'capitulation'. Remember when Toranaga said men are like hawks, and how to train and use them.
They were practically screaming in our faces that he had something up his sleeve with the Tea House lady scene.
To give more background to Toranaga's reaction to his son being ordered to commit seppuku, Tokugawa (the historical Toranaga) had already lost his eldest son the same way. He's having to relive that moment.
What was the reason his eldest son was lost to seppuku ?
@@Oakland510 Long story short a domestic dispute between his mother and his wife who happened to be the daughter of Oda (Kuroda in the show, who was killed by Mariko's father) ballooned into an accusation of treason.
@@megad7060 damn! Thanks for the answer
付け加えると、色々な説があります。
史実の長男は、謀反の疑いで、家康(虎長)に切腹を命じられたとも言われています。
彼は残忍で虎長の言うことを聞かなかったとも。
家康(虎長)からの太平の世は、長男の死がなければ、達成出来なかったと、思います。
私の考えでしかありませんが。
長男は時代に翻弄された若者なのかもしれません。
Nagakado always wanted to prove himself as a worthy son of Toranaga, but never could live up to it. His restlessness contributed to his impulsiveness and hesitation leading to his death. That was his fate in this saga.
It’s funny that during the series Toranaga has promised to build a church and a Red light district in Edo. I hope he builds them right next to each other
LOL
With the zoning laws in Japan? Absolutely 🤣
You were right lol
Bro you were right lmao. The churhc was not happy.
Taking the head was how a samurai proved their victory.
Heads were presented to the Daimyo after the battle in a ceremony.
When a warrior takes the head of his opponent after a battle, he does so to show his lord what deeds of valour he has performed. If he took the head of a samurai of high rank, he would show his head as proof and receive a reward to match his deeds. The heads of lower-ranking samurai were not taken as they were not eligible for rewards. It was necessary to verify the identity of the dead person.
A warlord who loses a battle commits seppuku, thereby asking the victor to forgive his men. He took responsibility and in many cases his men were forgiven and survived.
2:53 'I think we need a prequel to Shōgun'
YES WE DO !
The war that engolfed Japan before this story would be amazing to watch.
I want to see crazy Oda Nobunaga
@@benwarwick4290 what was the name of that war?
@@Oakland510 Wars would be more appropriate since @benwarwick4290 probably refer to the Sengoku Jidai periode that span over 150 years (1450-1600, estimations may vary) in which civil wars and social upheavals took place almost continuously in feudal Japan (Sengoku Jidai can be translated as 'the age of the country at war')
@@vincentdesjardins1354 was it the late taiko we meet in the series, the one who put an end to the warring period ?
An incredible episode, feeling confident they can land the final 3 episodes, and then the show is winning all the Emmys :)
They've already won my friend.
John: ill stand by u whatever fate may bring.
Later: Leaves instantly
John absolutely is in on Torgonanas plan bro
Yoooo ok this makes so much sense
Torgonanas😂😂😂
@@nont18411can't they even try to get the name right?
I can assure you that he absolutely is not.
Yes, John losing his cool and storming out of the meeting was straight out of one of D&Ds GoT episodes.
You... lady, has earned a sub. Your insight about boy Toronaga's strength as a child is on point! He had to hack that grown man's head off!
Also, for as sharp as katana are, their cutting power comes from using both hands to swing the blade, one pushing and one pulling. To take a head with a single strike from an inexperienced boy weighted down in full armor, not bloody likely. Even aiming for the neck is not that simple.
I'm not sure if it's perceptiveness or common sense, but she always seems to know what's up 😂
One stick of time means when one incense stick burns from the start till it finishes.
Japanese title properly says “one incense stick of time” not sure why they eliminated intense from English title 🤔
@@MiaH56 what does ukarame mean ? in the old ladys speech to toranaga she said she was once ukarame
@@Oakland510 I didn’t catch anything close to that sound…can you tell me when you heard? (Exact time in original video)
@@MiaH56 when the old courtesan is speaking to Toranaga at 31:07 she says “ I was born in a gutter raised as a ukareme”.
@@Oakland510 Oh that’s 浮かれ女-Ukareme. We don’t use the word today and me personally didn’t get the word while watching it. It means prostitute. A courtesan.
Anyone else notice Toranaga looked straight at John when he said Crimson Sky was a mistake? John knows the phrase "Crimson Sky". I think the rant by John was part of the plan. "Crimson Sky" was his "go" phrase.....
how i wish this could be the plot.. cant freeaking wait for next week!
@@lonrea2886 im also grasping at that straw. also, before walking out, Blackthorne specifically mentioned Yabushige and Nagakado (the two trained to command the cannon regiments)
I f**king hope so! I want to see Blackthorne utilised properly in this series.
@@ameliacraiig4193 not the first time his outbursts or his presence alone was used as a distraction.
@@khaii13 I love me some off screen shenanigans. Too bad Toranaga's son was an idiot... Lol. Now they don't have the element of surprise, so we'll see what Toranaga does now that his son died trying to kill Saeki.
Achara is right about beheading being an inconsistent method of execution. It was so inconsistent that the entire purpose for inventing the guillotine (also known as "the national razor") was that it was guaranteed to be instantly fatal, and could do so many times in a day without the fatigue of a headsman.
RIP Yoshi Nagakado, your father does love you. He was happy you 'cannoned' Nobara Jozen because it meant it will draw Ishido's men out of Osaka. You were given the order to commit Sepukku and your father told you not to accept it. Now you've ended in an embarrassing death, your father will definitely burst out of emotions because his eightfold fence was breaking althroughout this episode. Your death is not embarrassing because it will ignite a fire that could save your people.
PS: I don't have any background about this series. I just love watching it!
He did all what he did for his father. He was just a kid at the end of the day who highly looks up to his dad.
正にそれだ
虎長にとって
可愛い息子に変わりはないのだから
Toranaga did everything he could to try and get through to him but he kid just kept learning all the wrong lessons. He gets led into a brazen assassination of a messenger on someone else's leash, and while this ends up serving Toranaga's needs, he tries to emphasize for Nagakado how foolish it is to be manipulated by others. He tries to teach him this repeatedly with his birds and otherwise. To teach him patience, awareness, and strategic caution. Instead, the lesson that Nagakado learns is, bafflingly, that he needs to be braver and more assertive. He suffers the consequences of learning that very wrongheaded lesson.
He was a doofus, but his heart was in the right place. I think he even managed to instill some good qualities in Omi, even though Omi was initially only out to use him.
Protect Fuji! They can kill all the other characters but dont kill Fuji-sama!🤣
That ending was genuinely shocking
This is the best show on tv at the moment. It is so good.
I love how civilized the Japanese were, yet at the same time, so barbaric. It is a very interesting blend.
Hawthorne is the most civilized yet he is labelled the barbarian 😂😂
That how they survive and thrive in a nation where death in air waiting to get them in moment unnoticed.
It's interesting because just as in the West, civility and barbarism both occur, we just choose what we acknowledge and accept depending on our different cultures. I mean Protestants and Catholics were also torturing and burning each other alive at this time and murdering locals in droves in the places they colonized.
Tranaga had a stone on the torii gate.If you don't fall, you'll be lucky.It's an old Japanese wish.
When John at the end meeting stood up and basically insulted everyone then just walked out convinced me Toranaga has a plan to all this. Perhaps being escorted into Osaka with no need to breach the walls
The thing I really can’t get over once I heard it in another video is the subtle power of translation and it’s role in the storytelling
For example Mariko is given both power and burden in her translations, so often she’s tweaking people’s words on the fly to almost imbue ever so slightly different meaning or changing things slightly to be more palatable either for the social standing, the situation or to diffuse potential confrontation.
It’s really fascinating, I think at face value you sort of think she’s giving a true translation and there’s one or two changed words but those extra words here or there can change the entire meaning, have a different impact and can change the intent behind the original words, it sort of goes back to Blackthorne getting the hard lesson on the weight of words.
Makes Mariko the true *SHOGUN* in my book as she is able to walk both worlds effortlessly.
She holds the power.
Nagakado's end was very embarrassing but at the same time, it's his fault for being impulsive once again
I dont blame him. He is a young kid who has had to see his great pops be disrespected every day by the council and its stooges. people mocking his father, their family name, it was a matter of time before he lets loose. any man with self worth would defend their family the same. you're probably a blue haired starbucks addicted manchild who has no idea what self worth and family mean.
Someone on the Reddit discussion put it eloquently: "He died as he lived; ...pathetically"
Its a poetic death because of his uncels answer
1:55 Achara Kirk's keep observation of 12-year old Toranaga's lack of head chopping strength shows why she is not only much more observant and intelligent than the rest of us, but divulge her previous masked job as an executioner.
😂
Guys, I have a theory:
If you go back to episode 6, near the end, when Mariko goes back to Toranaga’s tent to report on how Blackthorne’s night at the Tea House went, at the beginning of that scene, you’ll see Toranaga folding up a paper and throwing it into the fire in front of him. Whenever he’s about to make crucial war decisions, you always see him receiving or sending messages through his spies. I think the message we were not allowed to see on that paper MUST be related to the Crimson plan he has unfolding.
It is also not a surprise then when we see his go-to SPY guy in episode 7 when his half brother is being welcomed into the village by the villagers. They focus in on him, which I think is subtly telling us “remember the role of Toranaga’s spies in relation to who you are seeing on screen.”
If this is all true, this would make Shogun one of the smartest shows on television because they really plant seeds and expect their audience to be smart enough to connect the dots because nothing is “filler” or used to kill time on each episode.
What do you guys think?? Let me know.
Okay. Anyone else totally miss the foreshadowing of the sudden rain making Toranaga uncomfortable? Like, he got a bad feeling from it? As though taken by a strange foreboding dread?
I did (miss it), but now it seems obvious. Thanks for pointing it out !
こんなにきれいな"oh my god"を初めて聞きました
Toranaga's surrender was a ruse. Unknown to the others, the half-brothers planned to march into Osaka on the false pretext of escorting toranaga. Once inside osaka, they will surprise Ishido.
Yep...had to play out all the ceremony for any spies roaming around.
His son death would be a positive, makes it all believable. Strangely enough he did help his father😂
敵を欺くには
先ず味方を欺く
それにしても長門の突然の死は
未熟者なりに必死になって頑張っていたから可哀想だった
Is this a spoiler? I don't remember this being said.
If you’re saying this because you’ve read the book or watched the previous adaptation…this is not cool…if this is a theory of your state it.
Yes. She knows. I’m thinking when Toranaga was away a few episodes back, he had visited his brother, and this is all a part of his plan to get into Osaka. Fighting from within. This has to flip. Toranaga is far too smart to have fallen into this trap. But his dim witted son again acted rashly, and paid for it. I think in a way, his uncle had warned him, while still playing his part.
I thought there was only 1 episode left and I was like it’s already over. But knowing theirs more then 1 left I’m excited once again
The total episodes are 10
Actually, there's only 3/10 left. And no Season 2.
Toronaga has been playing 4D chess while everyone else has been playing checkers, there is no way he didn't see this coming, trust the plan, Crimson Sky wouldn't have worked, even without the eart, only way to win is from the inside
Absolutely, Toranaga has a spy network and there's no way he didn't foresee that. He definitely has a plan.
the old trojan horse play 😄 an oldie but a goodie
i can’t get enough of this show to save my life 😭😭
Drama name = historical name
Yoshii Toranaga = Tokugawa Ieyasu
Buntaro Toda Hirokatsu = Tadaoki Hosokawa
Mariko Toda = Tama Hosokawa (Garasha)
1543-1616 /75 years old
Yoshii Toranaga = Tokugawa Ieyasu
1563-1646/ 83 years old
Buntaro Toda Hirokatsu = Tadaoki Hosokawa
A handsome man who has trained in martial arts and culture with the aim of becoming the strongest samurai.
He went into his first fight at the age of 15 and it was a great job.
He received a handwritten letter of appreciation from Nobunaga and became Nobunaga's favorite.
Tadaoki had the shortest temper in the Sengoku period.
Even if the enemy soldiers surrendered, he killed them all.
(At this time, his superiors are warned not to kill those who surrender.)
How he thinks about training his subordinates
The second time was fine, but the third time was a death sentence.
Tadaoki Hosokawa, the strongest berserker of the Sengoku period
The most beloved wife of the Sengoku period
He loved his wife very much anyway.
1582
He deeply loved Tama (Garasha), her legal wife, and did not divorce her even after her father, Mitsuhide Akechi, caused the Honnoji Incident, and imprisoned her in order to avoid her death penalty. However, Tadaoki frequently visited this area, and Garasha gave birth to a child.
In order to free himself from Garasha's captivity, he rampages through the battlefield like a demon.
Tadaoki's war exploits were recognized and the prisoners of Garasha were released.
Tadaoki was jealous of Garasha and locked her up while her subordinates watched and did not let her leave her room.
Garasha heard the story of Christ from Tadaoki.
he was interested
Garasha was happily talking to Tadaoki about various things.
As a result, she was baptized without telling Tadaoki.
Around this time, Christianity had already been recognized as a xie jiao and had begun to be eliminated, so she begged Garasha to quit.
However, when Garasha stubbornly refused, Tadaoki became furious and cut off the nose and ears of her maid who helped her baptize.
Garasha was angry at this and stopped talking to Tadaoki.
Because Garasha didn't talk to her.
Tadaoki also tacitly approved of this idea.
Tadaoki has been married for 10 years, but when he went on an expedition to fight,
Tadaoki frequently wrote letters to Garasha.
1600
His wife Tamako (Garasha), who was in Osaka Castle's Hosokawa residence, was attacked by Ishida Mitsunari (Ishido) and refused to be taken hostage, but since suicide is prohibited in Christianity, his senior vassal Hidekiyo Ogasawara was attacked by Garasha. attacked. finished. mediated
Explosives were placed in the mansion so that Garasha's body would not be left behind.
Hidekiyo Ogasawara committed suicide by self-immolation.
Tadaoki holds Garasha's funeral at the church.
1563-1600 37 years old
Children are 3 boys and 2 girls
1600
John Blackthorne = Anjin Miura
1564-1620 56 years old
He became Tokugawa Ieyasu's 250 koku hatamoto and spent his entire life in Japan.
From the above, Hosokawa Garasha and Miura Anjin are not acquainted.
If the two had met like in a drama
Miura Anjin would have been beheaded by Hosokawa Tadaoki.
Absokutely loving the series! ❤
This episode was so good 🔥🔥
Toranaga and his son remind me of Ramadhir singh and JP. toranaga was sooo close to saying "tumse na ho paega! " 😅😅
Watching this ep with you again i came to the conclusion that if Toranaga-sama has a plan it may include the only wild card nobody expect and that leave the picture with that display of disrespectfulness by the Anjin. After his plead and loyalty maybe during that night Toranaga-sama gave him a purpose and he was at the beach watching the boats, maybe supervising something? idk, thats my guess/conclusion. Great Reaction and vid!
15:40, I always loved John's line and him willing to accept death when Buntaro pointed his sword at him. He sounded so badass and brave at that point.
I was sat there with the sound of rain my main thought was "His dad is going to lose his shit now", his son has now opened the side we've not seen yet.
This show is so good, I really can't get enough of it. Only bad part of the show is having to wait a whole week for the next episode
The instant anjin sama made a fuzz, i knew they had a plan. Preparing myself for next episode's glorious horse explosions and samurai tepanyaki.
Remember Anjin asked about Ishidos ship. He also wants to use his ship and cannons. Maybe that's the plan?
I'll have to rewatch the episode, then come watch it again with you guys. Loving this series, and loving the reactions this series generates 🎉
Knowing Toranaga, I think he would be sadder if Omi or Anjin died than his son died.
Toranaga has totally off-screen given Anjin permission to take control of the Rasmus (his ship) after his brother's betrayal to prepare a surprise attack after his 'surrender'.
No.
Being nore sad about a random guys death than ur own son is wild
@@badboymanry It was very common in Feudal Japan for that to be the case.
@@JynxedKoma how do you know that? From what I have gathered from the show, it seems like a very patriarchal society, and sons were very much valued. That doesn't seem to be consistent with your comment. Although, I admit that I'm not a expert on Feudal Japan, but your claim that a noble Japanese lord would value someone they just met over their son seems unlikely.
I screamed at the tv as well jaby! "Kill him! are you gonna kill him or not? WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOOOORRRR?????? Ugghhh
What was he waiting for? 🤦♀️just like Achara said "silly boy "
Im assuming a stick of time relates to a stick of incense. The madam was stating at it burn when she started talking to toranaga and looked at it again when it was damn near burnt out.
One thought-- by giving in, Toranaga has bought time. An immediate refusal would have meant instant battle with his brother's forces. And don't think that the army Toranaga has with him is the sum total of his followers. What might the other other forces be preparing?? We have three hours left to see.
No, there's nothing beautiful about death, I've seen it enough to know that. "A stick of time". This series is wonderful, they have managed to explain a concept without using any words, all through images, that is the art of visual storytelling. Bravo!
CinePals, We all know that Lord Toronaga only moves when he has to. The death of his son has brought him more time before setting out for Ishido. Then he might decide to only go very slowly and drag the march out longer. He also now knows that his brothers castle and lands are not protected like they should be and are open to "Bandit" attacks. Do we really beleave that Toranaga did'nt know a big army was approaching? Cheers, Chris Perry.
After this series i want a spin off with Fuji 😍🤩😍🤩😍🤩
Toronaga has at least one more son in this series that we know of. He’s married to the sister of Ochiba who was giving birth at the start of the show. His consort is also pregnant.
well that's a relief
That ending... Crimson Sky it is, *AGAIN.*
This show wildin!
Toranaga's brother would probably be gifted all Toranaga's lands and holdings for bringing him in.
He specifically mentioned being lord of Izu.
Izu is Yabushiges land, and Toronaga's always been mentioned as "lord of Kanto". Also in the will that Toronaga had written in this episode shows that he is allocating his land to his grandchildren when they come of age which likely means his land was not part of whatever was offered to Saeki.
@@ach3909my understanding is that Izu is a fief within Kanto, which is why Yabushige is a vassal to Toranaga.
Izu is a fief that is currently m bestowed upon Yabushige who has sworn his allegiance to toranaga. Toranaga can bestow this fief as he pleases to anybody which is why his half brother asked for it during the dinner (although ishido has aldready offered it to him) in return for supporting toranaga
@@mythosaur8672 It kind of felt like he said it as a way of teasing what he was about to reveal.
Crimson sky will surely happen in the next episodes. Toranaga has still one option. The element of surprise by john blackthorne. Toranaga may have said that he gave up crimson sky, but in secret he is planning something in the background.
Next Episode is titled 'The Abyss of Life'. Episode 9 is titled 'Crimson Sky'. We'll get to the bloodbath soon enough :D
its easier to do crimson sky when theyre already inside osaka, i think thats toranagas plan.
Hulu shows a couple of "upcoming" episodes on the list. There are ten episodes.
Crimson Sky became Crimson Bath😅😅😅
Can't figure out if the guy playing Toranaga's son is a bad actor or a genius level actor. There's a level of sophistication in acting that everyone, even background characters, seem to have. The way Toranaga's son speaks to his dad, holds his sword, delivers his lines seems very amateurish, but I'd also believe a greenhorn buffoon character like him would behave and speak that way lool
hes a great actor IMO. played that overeager heart on his sleeve character so well. especially in the shots where it pans to his face when his father was being mocked like in the final scene at sunset where Saeki took toranaga's answer to surrender. you could see the rage loading
虎長のモデルの家康にはたくさんの子供を設けていますが
その男子の大半は不器用な子供たちだったようです
このドラマでは端的に不器用さが滲み出てるんですが
それを演じる役者さんは日本人の私から見ても大根役者
ただ、それがかえって不器用な息子をリアルに感じさせて
ハマり役になっている
sometimes, playing the dummy takes an intelligent actor 😄
I love how on the ball Achara is. 😂
1:58 "Does he have enough strength to take off a grown man's head??
In fact, he did not 😂
EXCELLENT reaction! Yeah - the entire cast is excellent. And the women are fantastic. Especially the scene where Fuji would NOT give the gun over. Wow - the look on her face.
Talk about getting screwed at the Tea House.....
is the plan that his half brother will escort his supposedly surrendered army into Osaka then as a united force Suprise assault the castle from within and eliminate the council ? crimson sky being a Suprise decapitation assault plan all along
The fishing village of Anjiro is tiny compared to all of Izu.
1:39 In the past great military leaders were sometimes very young. Gifted men who were trained for leadership since they were small kids.
If I remember correctly Alexander the Great was younger than 20 when he defeated his greek and macedonian enemies, and started his campaign against the far bigger persian empire (which would become one of the greatest military campaigns in history). There are many examples of similarly young leaders achieving great victories.
Now young men win campaigns only in videogames.
Remember the earlier line given to Toronaga "protect the heir from his enemies AND his friends". Toronaga is a master tactician, he conceals his "third heart" even from those closest to him. We see this play out brilliantly and dramatically in the next episode.
Toranaga has some sort of plan up his sleeve. It’s not like him to be caught by surprise by his brother’s betrayal. As the madam observed he could have seen his brother’s army move to cut him off with only one spy. And Toranaga even had a spy planted at this formerly unimportant fishing village. Wouldn’t he Also have a spy to tell him what his brother was up to? I think he’s acting like he’s defeated to lull his enemies into thinking they’ve won. Maybe he’s made asecret alliance with the Christian regents (the priest was saying they should make Toranaga an ally. Obviously he hasn’t told his vassals (or his son) about whatever plan he has but I’m sure he has a plan.
"Where is the beauty in this?"
I loved the two moments (which were not included in this reaction video) ''Kashigi Yabu'' (my favorite character, performed by the great Tadanobu Asano), when he's showing up at the hot spring, and when ''Toranaga'' surrenders, he was one of the few men that stood up to disagree by his decision (of course I know his reasons, but still).....Greetings from The Netherlands.
Honestly, the way his son died...totally on brand 🤦🏽♀️ he was not capable of a solid thought process or any strategy. He grew up very protected so he lacked the skills his father adapted by being taken as a child prisoner for most of his childhood.
A stick of time is the burning of one stick of incense. Stick burns down, time's up.
toronaga told that boy not to accept death, but death accepted him a long time ago
The only thing i don't like in this adaptation is the fact blackthorne doesnt speak any japanese at all at this point in time, where by the books he would be able to have simple conversations already. but i think it works well in a way
also not only did the son slip, the uncle did too
Of course Toranaga has a plan behind all the plans, you know how I know? His name is T-O-R-A-N-A-G-A.
She was right about the decapitation no eing smoth when kid Toranga got his first kill.
Kiku teased the Tea House Toy Box.....
Episode 8 is surely crimson sky 100%.
Choppin a head off in one swing is almost impossible. A lot of conditions has to met to make that possible, it is possible but is rare.
Altough it can take less than three swings.
Ye i really like your insight about the beheading. I did not think of that. Impressed.
Are you Gin? )
The series is almost dreamlike. The OA is the only thing that gave this sureal feel but still feels
genuine true, the text(double) translations makes the show. Obsessed.
Yo dan and dave this is how you subvert people's expectations 😂😂 😢
one thing this is different than games of thrones is that this is based on real historic events 😂
20:57 this was just hilarious~!
9 times… no wonder Toranaga shudders when he thinks back on it…
Thank you, Jaby!!!!!
Where the funnelcake did the other samurai go when the son fell?!?!?
Pretty sure they were dueling Saeki's guards (and probably losing since they obviously don't have strength in numbers)
i love how the tables have turned when omi is trying to trigger buntaro but then saeko talked about his GF..whose triggered now?!😆
Samurai become a worrier at 16 years old. It's called Genpuku. (元服)
介錯人-Kaishakunin、 chop head excuter has a very high skill to chop it up. If the blade chops on the skull, it can't be head off. Greetings from Tokyo.
Not necessarily at age of 16… it depends on individuals (usually 12-16) Also we count as one year old when we are just born. So if we say 12yo in medieval times it is about 10 or 11 today.
I am from Tokyo too.
what does ukarame mean ?
Wondering who, when told "ukarame" in the show...?@@Oakland510
@@coreremix1090 at 31:07 in the show, the old lady/courtesan told Toranaga ' i was raised as ukarame'
The words were the first time for me n looked up. "Ukareme" (浮れ女） as is 遊女 "Yu Jo", classical Japaese. Women who practice music performance and/or instruments, sometimes prostitution.
Rice is tropical breed n always short in north Japan in this era. Many poor farmers contracts with merchants for their daughters to become Yu Jo. All those type of women were supposed to be called 浮かれ女 "Ukareme".@@Oakland510
This new version is aimed on VG kids, and those who have not read a Clavell's Shogun book or have not listen an audiobook.
Not 100% faulting the son for his actions. The guy was raised knowing his father was the best and had the highest expectations for himself but overestimated himself too much and died the worst way possible, killed himself while opposing his father's decisions.
One thing is certain. Nagakado did not inherit his fathers patience. Or his brain.
Yabushige is comic relief in this series..😂 first when i saw him , I was like what a brutal man
This is just Toranaga and his half brother plan..They acting so well even his son and vassals don't see through it
Oh my god I didn’t even think about that till now
But if that’s true the sons death is even more pointless now
as someone who uses spies himself, toranaga knows that the only way to make this look authentic is to keep the plan on a need to know basis. unfortunately for his son.
It really such a monkey brain take to blame it all on Toranaga's son.
1. Toranaga raised him. His son's fault are also his own.
2. Not everyone is born a genius. All he knows is that his dad gaved up and him and everyone he loves was going to die. So should he should let himself and all his people get killed?
Y'all are thinking like an audience watching a show and knows that Toranaga and Blackthorn are the main characters of a fictional show.
I am positive John and Toronaga have plan. John walking off in the end was weird. They don’t take him seriously so he could be setting up whatever and no one would pay much attention to the barbarian.
I agree , I think Toronaga and John may have planned john's outburst , giving john time to prepare something while everyone is sitting there , but who knows ....maybe it was just an outburst :) , excited for the next episode!!!
lets not forget that Spy/Samurai is still always in many shots.
while this is probably the case (and i haven't seen episode 8 yet), i wonder that the only way they could communicate something so elaborate would be through mariko. and she hasn't betrayed any knowledge of it.
@@vinsanity40k 8 was shocking
I was expecting some Shogun II geisha cinematics
Toranaga’s brother can now ally with him as he can expect more than a regency. He is now heir to the shogun.
The son Hectored himself. 🦶🌊🤯🪨🩸
Nice to have dropped by with your channel guys! By the way, about the Shogun, which I really like to follow episode by episode would only make me lose my breath waiting for the next episode. What i thought is that in the next episode, I could have imagine to create my own story that Torunaga will ask a fight with his brother a samurai way, and who won will take the army . Then, probably, ishido who is waiting for them not realizing that what comes their way is a marching warriors of Torunagas battle with him. Haha. There must have been a Samurai draw an epic exhibition for excitement. Anyways, just want these days to passed by waiting for the next.
Have u heard of spies???
Incense burns at a given rate so one stick of time is how long one stick burns
The botched executions on Tower Hill are ... legendary ;-(
This episode was bone chilling
If Toronaga’s son had done the job, would it been difficult to be escorted to Ishido?