Why TF2's Payload Race Mode FAILED
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Team Fortress 2 has a ton of fun and exciting gamemodes! Payload Race though was always weighed down by it's shortcomings. Let's talk about it's history, the updates and why it failed.
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
0:28 - History of Payload Race
1:34- Gamemode Problems
2:46 - Hightower
3:52- Nightfall (Bestboy)
4:36- Meet Your Match (Closing Remarks)
6:03- Outro
Graph Link: imgur.com/a/H3FkP
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Not watching allat,
I'm saying that CTF maps should be turned into player destruction maps
Seeing professional looking content with like, zero views is always surprising
Yeah, it usually takes a while for my stuff to get traction, thanks for the kind words friend!
Bruh it came out hours ago chill out
exactly!
It's been less than a day, let him cook
You might want to take another look now
I really enjoy this game mode , it's super fun when people play the objective , takes a while to find a non high tower game , but when you do , it's good fun
Absolutely, couldn’t agree more!
untick Hightower from the list...
@@Apple-vk3fi they said it takes a while not that they keep joining high tower instead of other maps
Dude, I fucking miss playing on Banana Bay. Nobody ever plays that map anymore on Brazilian servers, it's always Hightower
@@random_number_sequence "takes a while to find a non high tower game" you can unqueue it if you dont want to get Hightower
2 plr maps were made by valve and two were made by fans kinda funny
Funnee
2 teams fight pushing 2 carts in 2 maps made by valve and 2 maps made by fans in team fortress 2.
@@gulfgiggleanimations4472 play scout for 2 times pushing speed and 2 jumps, use the force of nature for 2 shots
tower control splatoon in tf2 for a third payload mode would be so good
Before I watch the video I shall assume a reason is because for some reason the main payload race maps take forever to end.
You guessed right!
“guys no stop capping no capping on hightower” 🤡
@@audiovisualcringe "guys no cap on 2fort you gay fags!" "Conract? KYS!" 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@audiovisualcringe ikr, just go to a Hightower 24/7 server or something lol
@@robbierotten2024 or stop crying in chat and actually stop the man from capping
Nightfall seems like a great map. I'd never know, because this is the first time of me ever hearing about it in over 10+ years of TF2.
it's one of the few plr maps where people actually play for the objective... honestly, on all maps except hightower nowadays (even banana bay) more than 50% of the players try to cap. i guess people who want deathmatch just migrated to hightower and that's good.
Payload Race in it's entirely is actually very fun.
I gotta say, as someone who grew up in the tropics, loves sunny skies and loves blue, crystalline beaches, Banana Bay has my favorite aesthetic of any map in the game, so it's a shame that it belongs to a game mode that no one plays anymore (outside Hightower, which while being iconic, has a pretty dogshit aesthetic, tbh).
oh man youre gonna hate therest of the maps cuz its all old, run-down industrial buildings and deserts
@@society1876 i mean, i love badwater, cactuscanyon and upward and id still say hightower looks rather bland. Also Swiftwater looks way different.
I wish I remembered the name, but the PLR map added in scream fortress 2022 was actually very fun. Probably my favorite PLR map, I hope it gets a non-halloween reskin sometime!
I decided not to touch seasonal maps, especially not ones from this year just because they weren’t actually put in the payload rave map tab instead being put in the seasonal tab. In the future i’ll probably make a video on all seasonal maps.
Bonesaw
@@MrPoke sad it broke on release
So plr was shunned but the one-sided payload mode was successful...I would be curious to see if a one-sided ctf mode where only one team captured the flag and the other had to defend (with a round timer) would be good.
I wonder if that would be able to fix the deathmatch void that the game has
This actually sounds good. Also would prevent the obvious turtling problem when neither team wants to push in.
Ty to our brave trolldiers for keeping hightower populated :D This was really well done :)
Glad you enjoyed!
first time I ever played payload race it was on hightower and I got instantly kicked for trying to win 💀(I didn't know the community that much)
TF2 x Forgotten Gamemodes
Absolute OTP, and NOBODY can change my mind.
Seriously I wish we could have content made about those gamemodes, like tier lists
It always comes back to the lack of a timer.
Sometimes I find a payload race game. And sometimes its not hightower. I remember when this mode was popular. Used to be really fun
I’m lucky enough to have experienced a few games back when quick play was around. Good times.
just saw this in my recommended, amazing video!!!
Thank you so much!!
The video is entretaining start to finish , The script is solid , Thats a sub from me keep it up
Man that image on the thumbnail. Been since meet your match that I last saw it.
I think that one core issue of payload race is the fundamentals. It's basically payload, but 2 at the same time and with smaller teams per payload.
I have only played the Halloween versions of it and one time banana bay. But I see the fundamental issues with it very clearly.
In normal payload, you have one team pushing the cart and one team trying to stop them. It's basically attack/defend, but with a gimmick. It still feels like a team vs team game and it's rare for the attacking team to all be killed and spawn camped. There's still progress going on with pushing the cart at all times when played as intended.
Payload race feels much more like a match of Hunger Games. Small groups of people doing there own thing with little to no teamwork between members of red or blue. You have three blues pushing the cart, six reds pushing a cart, a heavy and medic spawn camping blue, a pyro repeatedly trying to sow chaos in the group of six reds while constantly dying, two scouts feeling smug for getting past the spawn campers before dying to the first sentry they come across, etc etc etc.
Payload race forces you to spread your team too thin. And if one or two people on the enemy team are fucking stacked, you're just going to get spawn killed over and over.
Capture the flag has a similar issue, hence why you often see people cueing up for CTF as a casual hangout instead of trying to beat the objective
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement about how payload race stretches you too thin. With high tower it isn’t a big deal because the map is much smaller but any larger payload map suffers from a personnel issue. There simply isn’t enough players even if it was a full game to allow for a clear consistent match.
@@CCrab_ Consistency certainly isn't a thing in payload race. And while I do agree high tower suffers less from players being spread too thin, it has the issue of needing to push the cart in an elevator. An elevator that at least one player has to stand on with the cart to make it rise. An elevator that is wide open for literally any class to attack you on. That is the sole reason i hate any variation of high tower. As soon as a cart gets to that elevator, the game just grinds to a halt and becomes a never ending stalemate. And due to the many large open areas, it's a sniper's dream. The map may be most popular of the payload race ones, but it's still horribly unbalanced and 90% of your time on it is just stalemates.
Maybe if there was a map with relatively small size that was properly balanced, payload race could work somewhat.
Maybe something similar in size to high tower. But more choke points and corners. Perhaps a high building like a hotel. With staircases or jump pads dotted all over the place. You'd lean into the chaos inherent to payload race, but with a smaller map that give each class enough mobility to engage with the enemy more dynamically. The spawns would need multiple exit points to prevent or diminish spawn camping though. But in general, the core idea of payload race was just flawed from the start. And you can only do so much with flawed concepts.
4:46 where did you get that pie chart? I’d like to see it for myself in more depth
Nights fall and pipeline I used to play religiously before casual. You used to be able to play them when you could just hop into a casual server that was empty and eventually people would fill it. Casual messed it up by making it to where enough people in a queue had to be there in order to work
very nice, very professionally made, loved the whole thing.
Hey I appreciate it!
what the heck, underrated channel :0
True
I agree
0:12 wtf is that sound effect it’s frickin slaying me lmaoooo
Banana Bay will always be in my top 5 maps.
I am making a video on the forgotten map Pipeline, so this will be great insight! I cannot believe you made this video at around this time too :D it was fantastic, subbed!
Please do! Let’s show this gamemode some love!
@@CCrab_ Pipeline for life 🫶🏼
I love pipeline, i play it alot in tf2 classic and its so fun.
I have almost 3000 hours in the game, yet I never knew nightfall or pipeline existed.
The more you know, glad I could inform
I've never heard of nightfall as a map. I just never played payload race due to the lack of a round timer. You've opened my eyes into an entirely new map which I will nominate everytime im on Uncletopia servers. Thank you communist crab :)
I've only play Pipeline once on a Uncletopia server and everybody was having a bad time. It also seemed that a lot of other people on the server weren't familiar with the map either.
So underrated channel
Really high quality stuff🤠👍
After taking a break from playing the game, I forgot how much fun this game mode was, comparable to the ones in normal queue for sure.
I have yet to play Hightower as intended, no one seems to want to 🙃
Hightower is fun until you realize you spent the last of your contract stars on a Hightower contract and you ask yourself how much it’s worth you you. Thanks for watching!
The first time I played TF2 in a party with my brothers we were on Pipeline. It was a very fun time and stays one of my favorite maps. I like your video :)
Hey awesome CoolDudeMcSwag, (dope name). Thanks for watching! Gotta say I love the aesthetic of pipeline, for that it’s an all time favorite of mine.
bro what if each payload cart had an indestructible teleporter that you could use to go to the other cart when you're getting backcapped
Great video, you should add a list of the music you used during this some of the versions of the tf2 ost here are really good
Absolutely, i’ll update the description later today with a music list and a couple of links to some footage that I used. Thats what I get for posting a video at 11 pm.
Plr and doomsday are my two favourite game modes. Ever since they changed it so you could queue for different maps I haven't been able to play them like I used to.
Same. Dont think ive played a proper round of doomsday since mym.
Banana Bay is one of my favorite maps. The layout is really fun, the matches are short, and the beach aesthetic is really fresh. Unfortunately it's just hard to find a group playing it
Hightower supremacy
we no longer play the other 3 maps, but when we play HT we never cap
Could you do a video on that game mode that had the ball you thought? (I don’t remember the name)
Passtime? I put out a community poll so if you plan on sticking around drop a vote and i’ll start work on it. Thanks for watching!
@@CCrab_ yea it’s going to lose but it’s more forgotten than the others and it’s hat as well
The first map in TF2 I ever played was pipeline back in 2011. It was my favorite map and still is today. I hate that I can't play it even with bots since they can't navigate plr maps. I remember before the meet your match update the servers had plenty of people. I took a break between 2014 and 2019. Since I got back I haven't seen any players on them and everyone on casual just wants to play Hightower. Hopefully the new update makes pipeline and nightfall playable again.
I've played Banana bay round. That was quite fun, the map itself is really good
For some reason, payload race was my favourite gamemode as a kid lol. I think it's because the long playtimes of the mode allowed young me to just goof around without worrying about the match ending. I did eventually discover 24/7 community Hightower servers which fulfilled my desire for long playtimes of goofing around, but I'll still have a place in my heart for the days of selecting plr on quickplay and spending like an hour or so messing around with random people on the server :)
Oh yeah I get it, I have that same kind of giddyness
I'm shocked to see this video. I'm from Asia, and there are thousands of community servers with hightower and payload races are still very active
Interesting, then again i’m not from Asia so I wouldn’t get the pleasure of those servers.
small fun fact, You should get the HQ HWM plugin for the SFM models you used here! They'd make the head of whatever merc you're using for the lil video talky guy like this look a little less Mario 64'd up lol
i'm not too good at it but I'm always down to help people with SFM stuff :)
hey, actually a pretty niche yet insightful video. I never really got into PLR myself, so these maps are often a distant memory.
And also, if you are going to talk about pass-time next, hit me up! I play a lot of pass time 4v4, and played in a recent pass time tourney. I can put a bit more insight into that stuff if you ever do decide to do it.
4:46 graph link please?
fun fact pipeline is one of the best most og maps
Sadly this mode is so unpopular, I cannot be certain if you can still build buildings in spawn in stage 3 of pipeline, in official servers
Pipeline when it first dropped was so much fun, I remember playing it heaps.
Also, I miss Arena mode all the time. Its a shame that it got replaced by KOTH.
Check out the new pl map pl_extinction, it has dinosaur bones and working geysers in a classic feeling map. Bad ass. Cheers
Its sad how Payload Race is only recognised by one map, and one map only... HIGHTOW- (Gets Market Gardened by the always on Trolldier!)
I enjoyed this payload race, made playing Sniper (Sniper main here) very rewarding. Still queue for it from time to time to see if I end up getting a match for it. Banana Bay is best map of the game mode.
I hate how I get kicked for playing the objective whenever I play payload race, because the dumbasses in the server don’t want people to push the cart, when they’re the ones that hosted a cart pushing game mode.
This video was AMAZING! Propably one of the better TF2 videos this year.
One minor thing tho: The 3 SFM poses were disorienting and ugly. I suggest simply using your PFP to depict yourself in-video, as it's much easier and looks better.
Yeah I rushed the sfm poses, because I used one of my days off from school and I just wanted the video done. But i’ve been experimenting with sfm for a while now
The only thing that might make the payload race not failed, is to add more maps
Summary: tf2 has many interesting modes that will die because of meet your match update.
The videos is too dark and the brightness keeps going up and down for no reason
High tower was a mistake. Also we technically have a TDM mode now but nobody plays it or uses it.
“Erm you weren’t respecting the sight line”
“Bitch the whole damn map is the sight line”
Too true
great video but for the future, if you are ever talking about a map please show gameplay OF the map, its a small thing but it goes a long way to connect the visuals with the topic at hand
same goes for weapons or items
I would but I couldn’t find a match xD
simple few reasons imo :
-the mode devolved into deathmatch with bad maps (hightower one of the worst map to play objective , one of the best DM maps)
-too long . the mode is not dynamic enough .
-the moment you roll and win the first big skirmish . the rolling team either win or the game will keep going . where everyone is lost and not cooperating . fights normally are just 1v1 most of the time by fighting lost people or the few people who push the cart .
- sniper sided maps and camping encouragement .
-take wayyyy too long to get anywhere .
-symmetrical map design is less interesting than non symmetrical (this is not koth , it's a two moving objectives)
maybe the only way to make PLR work is adding stopwatch mode and allowing to have one car moving . but that just a symmetrical PL map with horrible sightline at this point .
Okay why exactly is this considered an alternative gamemode. I played banana bay on Uncletopia in a casual setting and it was pretty fun.
nightfall is so good, I nominate it on uncletopia at every opportunity
I wish I could play on uncletopia but the servers are always full when i’m online
so if we just remove hightower then payload race will become better?
1000th like! This is awesome content!
🎉
You wouldn't believe how much time I have spent on hightower...
I loved pl_race maps, pipeline was my favourite. Before meet your match update the pl_race maps very quite populated and a ton of fun. Now days everyone just has no interest in them, all they want to do now is play dustbowl or Hightower 😞
Yeah, it definitely had a lot more foot traffic when it was one of the selectable modes rather than shoved into the bottom of the alt gamemodes tab
I dont get why so many People dont play Bananabay i think its One of the Nicest Looking Maps in the Game and the fact that You have to Wait for the Train to Destroy youer Cart whilst its on the Final Point is such a Unique Mechanic
Couldn’t agree more, thanks for watching!
*PAYLOAD COASTER, WHEN?!?!?*
No shot that sounds really fun
@@CCrab_
Now if it was a Payload Race with many side by side steep slopes up and down, that might work...
(Payload Race really needs a fix where the carts start automatically moving forwards after half the match time, High Tower on the otherhand shouldn't exist honestly, unless they could fix the endless lift part...)
(PSS: WHY WASN'T MERCENARY PARK INCLUDED AS A VS SAXTON HALE MAP?)
FOR THE ALGORITHM, keep it up duderr 🤜🤛
Hey thanks man!
Holy shit i havent payed nightfall for ages. I always got Hightower or Banana Bay.
There's only Hightowers in the skial servers. I like going to those servers cause of the free cosmetic content, but when it comes to Payload Race, there's always Hightower, and those games take forever. Not only that, most of the time people aren't really playing the objective. It's one of those maps that's bound to be a friendly server. Friendly servers are nice, but I'm trying to find a server that's actually playing the game.
Somebody call the cops! I found a criminally underrated channel!
so what im hearing is, making an actual tdm-style gamemode will fix payload race righ- oh wait arena oh yeah
subscribed to another TF2uber despite not playing the game, I love those funny Tf2 men
TF2 pokes that wheezing part of your brain it seems. Glad I could help!
i mean.. payload race has a fuckin RED PAYLOAD CART which is pretty awesome
Red is rad
Have you watched Emesis Blue by fortress films?
Haven't got around to it.
It still slaps lowkey. Some of the maps are a bit outdated though.
Damn how the hell you have so little subs? You earned mine my guy
Hey thanks man! I really do appreciate it and hope you enjoy all that my channel has to offer!
I need to make a mild correction. From my experience Banana Bay was still played by a healthy community of players... till the bots attacked. For some ungodly reason the bots LOVE Banana Bay. It is impossible to get a normal game on there and I know it isn't a population thing because I have had a nonzero amount of normal Hydro games and the only one I had on Banana Bay in the last 3 years was when Valve broke the bots.
Important thing that I should note, this was recorded and written a year ago when the bot crisis was at it’s fullest, but I simply couldn’t find any real games that didn’t switch back to Hightower. I’m not saying that it’s a dead map. I’m just saying Hightower is a more popular map and usually switches it off of banana bay. Thanks for watching though I do appreciate the discussion!
If payload race failed, why is PLR_Hightower one of the most popular maps 🤔
2:04 its almost like tf2 would be a far better game if sniper was removed (or completely reworked)
I feel likei f valve just took 5 minutes to do a simple drag and drop and put PLR into the core gamemodes section it would see a lot more love
Absolutely, could not agree more. I also would like to say that I’ve recently had plenty of matches on banana bay as a map in the matchmaking section so the love is there but it isn’t mainstream
@@CCrab_ Yeah same, tho I seem to have trouble getting into anything tthat's not banana bay or hightower
2:53 3 pun combo
Someone with pyro as their animated character? huh, this is quite a rare find I must say
Can’t tell if your pulling my leg but atleast i’m not a furry
@@CCrab_ oh nah I'm glad actually, pyro needs some more attention lmao
@@Vini_viv (it's the only character I have an unusual for so yeh)
"nO CapPIng oN HightOWer"
BUT MY CONTRACTSS
I love Payload race, wish it was easier to get matches
Hightower.
So is the idea of payload race flawed or has it just been the execution, like with the map design?
I think the idea is perfectly suitable but the map’s design philosophy was misunderstood and flawed. Plr_nightfall fixes pretty much every problem that the mode faced besides the Hightower effect.
this is criminally underrated
Payload race has the same problem as CtF, no round timer.
Absolutely
The algorithm seems to have blessed you and TF2 lately cause of the announced update.
Pretty sure you're gonna look at this vid in half a year and say "wow, the quality was awful". Just have a hunch.
Liked, subscribed, shared, hearted and came to this video. Thank you communist crab
Thanks, man! Funfact: This whole video took me ages hence why it said summer in the outro instead of spring because this video was practically a year in the making.
It's because of a lack of a time limitand a bunch of troll players like trolldiers and Snipers with god like skills holding the map hostage. You mess with them, they will target you like you offed their family members the whoole entire match
Subbed
nobody plays the miscellaneous maps/gamemodes 🙁
those flipped guns make me so annoyed
Hightower:
more tf2 content, les go
Wooot
new tf2 youtuber dropped
I must get an expensive unusual now to announce my entry into the pool of tf2bers