Slower due to the non-specialization of crossfit athlete. A few years ago, there was the first "long" running event in a crossfit competition. I don't recall exactly but I think it was Mat Frase that didn't perform well. The year after, he did fairly well in the running even (because he trained for it). Same thing happen with the swimming event. First year, it's a surprise. the second year, he is prepared and can handle the event (and doesn't lose much time).
And if Hyrox athletes had to max out a weightlifting lift vs Crossfit athletes they would get smoked. Hyrox is mostly running and cardio movements and less weights and heavy lifting implements.
Differentiating the major focus between Hyrox and Crossfit is really quite telling of the type of athlete that is usually successful in competition. Crossfit athletes tend to be a lot bigger than Hyrox athletes. Bigger athletes usually do not perform as well in conditioning type of events compared to smaller and thinner athletes but can produce more power in a competitive setting. To be top 10 in the world in both would be quite an accomplishment.
@@BernhardKohli Yes bigger as in more mass or just simply bigger. I'd say being taller isn't a necessary attribute to being bigger. And being bigger is most definitely not a necessary attribute to being competitive in Hyrox
When you are a kid you admire the men who do bodybuilding, when you grow up you realize with that body you cant do anything, and admire and aspire to be as functional as you can. Hyrox or crossfit let you be in good shape and super healty. In my perspective similar to a soldier or a warrior,
First time here. As a physician and athlete I found this very informative. Keep up the good work. I agree hyrox athletes need great base but most will be in orange zone or zone 4 most of event.
Love this!! I’m such a nerd for data, this is great. I actually feel better at CrossFit when I’m also doing more aerobic stuff (road cycling/triathlon). Love hyrox too
Great video! I'll have to check out more of this channel. P.S. Whenever I do Fran, it's almost always "intermittent"...and usually more than I wanted it to be.
Thanks for checking earlier videos - much appreciated. Makes sense :) (me too). In these studies, participants did fran sub 4 min so that is a pretty good time without much breaks.
Farmer’s Carry and Sled Push/Pull, Rowing, Skierg and, in particular, wall balls tend to favor taller athletes, especially in events like Hyrox, where height provides a clear advantage. For instance, with the wall ball exercise, the target is set at 3 meters for everyone. For someone who is 1.70 meters tall, the ball has to travel around 50-52 cm after release to reach the target. In contrast, a taller athlete at 1.85 meters only needs the ball to cover about 28-30 cm due to their height and longer arm reach. This reduced throw distance means that taller athletes expend less effort per repetition, giving them a notable efficiency edge. While shorter athletes can still perform well, matching the efficiency of taller competitors in these movements can be an extra challenge. Given this, I believe Hyrox could either modify the wall ball exercise or add events that provide shorter athletes with similar advantages, creating a more balanced competition.
I enjoyed this, much of it I already figured but especially interesting was the height of the athletes and their respective limb length - first time seeing the comparison made - the biomechanics. Would love a video in-depth into nutritional analysis; I felt that it was not long enough. Great video!
Informative video but I think more data / studies are needed on HYROX athletes. My personal experience of Hyrox gives circa 45 mins in HR zone 4/5 so you better be training anaerobic threshold and not just relying on zone 2 / aerobic conditioning!
Excellent point. You are confusing two things here. Yes, hyrox competition is in zone 4-5 (60-90 min) at or just below threshold power. But the whole goal of zone 2 training is to 'shift the threshold' to the right. This means that zone 2 will help the body deliver and consume more oxygen at the muscular level. So even though hyrox is at high intensity, high-volume low intensity training will help performance in those high energy expenditure zones. fi. Cyclists to TONS of zone 2 training, while competing (at least the finale) at much higher zones.
I currently do CrossFit but I have long arms and legs and I'm a tall female and I am not good at gymnastics but discovered that I do better at the really long workouts..... I used to do half and full marathons. I'm excited about hirox because I feel like it combines both things I've enjoyed about fitness. (Distance running and CrossFit) What would you recommend for me to transition? Currently I plan to stay at my CrossFit gym, Make sure I have the movements down with the correct weight possibly build some running mileage back. Any recommendations of some things I can do now to supplement my current training? I would like to do a hyrox in about a year and a half. I'm an average or below average crossfitter only doing it for fitness and not looking to compete. I'm excited because hyrox feels achievable for me.
Thanks for sharing. We have currently running a free hyrox 2-week plan (strivee.app/marketplace/plan/2pDmv3OPAsm3LrbmvkLv) - you could look into that. I think the most important thing you can start building up right now is running. Teaching the body to handle the mileage over time. The functional movements are of inferior importance.
I think drawing conclusions on optimal height based on the top 10 with a spread of 13cm is too little to go off of. I do agree that it's intuitive that it would favour taller athletes but I'd be interested to see an analysis comparingthe top 100 Hyrox athletes over several years to the Crossfit games athletes. Would be really interesting to see how significant the difference is!
I would say "random" might be the wrong way to describe (effective) CrossFit training. Random training produces random results. "Varied" might be more descriptive... and how it SHOULD be in my opinion. We vary different movement patterns over different time domains, but we don't perform them "randomly". We actually structure them to address all movement patterns and time domains equally in a given period of time/training block.
I agree, this was the incorrect wording from my part. Nevertheless, I do see a lot of CF boxes struggeling to put any structure in their 'varied' programming. Not being negative here, just saying that it is very challenging to put any structure in a training plan that requires dozens of movements under various time domains. This is defo much easier to do in HYROX programming
I'm better-built for Hyrox- 6'5", 205lbs- than for Crossfit, but the number of Hyrox training facilities are few and far between. I train at a local Crossfit box, and I love it!
I'm in the same boat. I'd like to continue with CrossFit because it's helping me get mobility and get to the weights on some of the movements but would like to know of some things I can do to supplement the training so that I'm more ready for hyrox.
Very interesting video, thank you, (and I’ve subscribed), I do agree in general with the data you present, but for myself as a 170cm / 78kg athlete, I’m definitely on the short side, but as I come from an endurance running and swimming background I find I’m way better at Hyrox as I can hold a high output for a long time, whereas I just can’t lift heavy enough to excel at CrossFit. It is very interesting looking at the similarities and differences between the two sports. Your video was very informative thank you.
The intensity in Hyrox is what you make of it. Can you 'chill' in zone 2 ? Absolutely. But most arent doing that. They are zone 4-5 for sure. Go try it for yourself. Its actually challengeing to hold back and pace yourself. Very easy to gas out early.
Absolutely. With the table I mentioned what HYROX vs. CROSSFIT athletes train more. Hyrox trains more zone 2 than crossfit. Obviously competing in hyrox is at much higher intensities (zone 4 and above).
Great Analysis but after having spent time around the HYROX Elite 15 the height chart is not accurate. I'm not too sure where the height data came from but 3/4 of those athletes are much much taller than shown.
Yes. This what other people have told me as well. Athletes tend to be taller than their listed heights on the internet 😀. The data on CrossFit athletes is correct though, we measured ourselves.
Interesting, including lactate curve. Perhaps im wrong, but i see hyrox as a race. CF is a methodology based on 60 min classes. If they made hyrox a friday workout at my gym (our typical long days), nobody would freak out. Just another painful Friday, albeit long. No doubt i start to hit a wall around 45-60 minutes. I train zone 2 on weekends. Maybe i’ll try a hyrox and be humbled.
Thanks. Good point about the 60-min window in CF classes. I have not attended a hyrox class in a regular gym, but are they also one hour? Can anyone confirm?
I agree with all of this except the arhlete size. If you look at this years croasfit semifinals it was an advantage if you were a taller athlete. The programming suited taller athletes.
That is what I mentioned in the video as a 'caveat'. I agree that it are mostly open style workouts that favour smaller atheltes. Semis and Games, not so much (which is good imo).
What would you suggest for a training protocol for a completely untrained individual to increase conditioning for crossfit, been doing 5 metcons per week, not noticed much if any difference, in terms of improved conditioning.
Literally next week we will launch an 12-week conditioning program for CrossFit participants. Focus on building the engine while not losing capacity in CF.
@wod-science: What is the correlation between lactate koncentration and H+ concentration? It seems like ppl are generally talking about lactate as something negative to muscle endurance due to the fact that higher lactate = higher H+. I never hear ppl talk about lactate recyling (glucos).
You are correct - Higer lactate (anaerobic glycolysis) is paired with higher H+ and hence fatigue. Lactate per se is not a negative or toxic by-product, but rather an energy source that can be converted into glucose!
The studies brought up by comparing intermittent frans and continuous frans, has me wondering… how many crossfit workout (individuals) have intermittent pauses in The Games? For what i remember crossfit has had 42km rows and longer 10-15km hill runs during the games too. Personally i feel that despite the evidence brought up, taking such skewed results and claiming that a hyrox athlete would have better aerobic base seems a lil base-less.
Yeah, it is still a minority of the workouts that are that long. And CrossFit athletes do not excel at running workouts (high body mass). Most of the workouts at the Games and certainly at the Semis are short in duration and high power output.
In Semis i was really shocked about the height divs... most bigger guys absolutely smashed some timecaps ... and the height-weight ratio was very beneficial to them... just Colten and Austin suprised as "Shorthlete"
Depends on your training background and volume you can handle. For novice atheltes, these are indeed the movements that can lead to injury. see here: ua-cam.com/video/hZAonq_RBuY/v-deo.htmlsi=Jscpp8y8AxZrWzso
Both Hyrox and CrossFit are branded event…. Hyrox is an obstacle race…. ( there are no overhead movement, heavy weight, or gymnastics skills) Is more towards an cardio… like spartan. Objective is to have as much participant as possible to make the most money. Not much technical… The actual governing federation of obstacle race is World Obstacle CrossFit is a Functional Fitness competition… is to test all aspect of Fitness… 1. Cardiovascular/respiratory endurance- 2. Stamina 3. Strength 4. Flexibility 5. Power 7. Coordination 8. Agility 9. Balance To find the fittest person. The objective of Croasfit is to create more affiliate “club” to make the most income. The governing body of Functional Fitness is International Functional Fitness Federation Hope this help you clear things out professor
Yep, ultra marathons are for 90%+ running on fat, so if you are a very good fat-adapted athlete, there is something to be said to do ultraruns on a low carb diet. For any sport at higher intensity and / or shorter duration, I do not recommend.
Great video, right up my alley. I keep seeing more about hyrox and even a girl I know just did the world championships. Seems like it really suits my strengths, I'd like to try it if they ever have an event in Calgary or Edmonton.
@@sharkdom Conventional wisdom states that the longer your legs the further reach your stepping will have, thus greater distance travel within each step. Don't know of any "scientific" study proving that theory is wrong or not though.
Crossfit is meant to train stamina, strength, power, flexibility, speed, coordination, agility, balance, and accuracy. Hyrox is one crossfit workout training stamina, speed, and some strength. I would extend the Crossfit time domain to 3 seconds to 60+ minutes with the average being 15 minutes. Any high level crossfit athlete would do very well at Hyrox without training specifically for Hyrox. The opposite cannot be said about Hyrox athletes (Hunter didn't make the first cut at the games and actually would not have even qualified for the games if he didn't get a special invite). Love Hunter, love Hyrox, but comparing Hyrox to Crossfit is like comparing flying a kite to flying a jet.
All the crossfitters being so butthurt. No one said you’d do bad in hyrox, just that you run slower then a h fox athlete, because you just run less mileage. You guys feel attacked so fast
Yep I agree, more and more reseach is including women. For instance, my latest video is a good example -- ua-cam.com/video/bVJxoHpBOsI/v-deo.htmlsi=Gl7okt26kzhWrgjW
Cannot agree at all with that statement. In fact, running is more injury prone than CrossFit. So I would argue, without having any data (yet), that Hyrox leads to more injuries than CrossFit. Let's wait for good data before drawing strong conclusions here.
Crossfit would be alot better and more popular without the exercises like handstands and double unders.. and focused more on things that more people can do without learning complex skills
Not sure I can agree with that. First, it is always possible to do that, just don't program those movements. Second, when people eventually learn those difficult technical movements, they get a lot of joy unlocking such a skill. Without CF, this would never have been possible.
@@wod-science i understand exactly where your coming from, but i still think learning such complex skills takes away from the potential that the rest of the exercises have
@@M.C.R.SYNTRN You mean that doing too high volume of complex skill could hamper improvements in overall conditioning and strength, and even increase injury risk? Could be indeed. Most people will be perfectly fine with bootcamps and hyrox :)
Researchers do care about women. Women were simply not included in early sport science due to the fact researchers thought their hormonal cycles affected study outcomes. Now that that is debunked women are increasingly included in studies.
@@wod-science yes it is changing, thankfully, however hormonal cycles absolutely do affect study outcomes. THe biggest issue with the exclusion of women was that the data from men was generalised to women when it was not applicable, much like what you are doing in your video Unless your audience is men only, I guess then it does not matter.
@@wod-science A pump isn't a good enough reason to do it, considering how bad it is for your joints and how much more effective normal, full ROM pull ups are at building muscle and rep count. I guess, if your main goal is to do as many kipped pull ups as possible, it makes sense? If you want to be more athletic, have more control of your body in 3D space and build more strength across more muscle groups, it is a categorical waste of time versus conventional pull-ups.
Hyrox is just CrossFit for people that aren’t that strong. CrossFit is a short lad sport, they program for heavy lifts because they’re a greater spectator event. So short dudes with short levers excel. Hyrox, is for dudes that like run clubs
Yep, touched on that in the video. You are right for Open-style videos, but for semi-final and Games it seems to be switching in favor for the taller guys. Had to laugh with that last phrase :)
You describe the specificity of each sport. In term of technicality and strength, yes you are right, a hyrox athlete would not come close to an elite crossfit athlete. In terms of conditioning and threshold power, a hyrox athlete beats a crossfit athlete every day. That is fine, that is why the title mentions they are different sports.
You are clueless. When has a CrossFit athlete "crushed" a hyrox? Because they have raced them. Evidence is better than lame opinions The woman in Houston may have won, but she by no means crushed anything Also When has a CrossFit athlete crushed a half marathon? That said, hyrox athletes could not get close to sniffing the games, so agreed there
@@aaronnowlin6417 Exactly, I said “would smash,” not that they have already done it. My point is that CrossFit Games athletes are capable of doing it and could set record times because they excel in a combination of strength, technique, and conditioning. While Hyrox specializes more in endurance and threshold power, CrossFit training covers a wider range of physical skills, providing a competitive edge. This is why I think CrossFit athletes have the potential to achieve remarkable results in Hyrox competitions.
@@SwanLP24 Obviously we do not know for sure at this point. But I tend to disagree. CrossFit athletes are much more muscular compared to HYROX, which makes them lesser runners. As HYROX is 8K of running, Crossfit athletes would in general do less good in long HYROX races. That is fine btw, they do not train specifically for it.
@@wod-science I understand your point, but CrossFit is specifically about preparing for the unknown and unknowable. In this case, athletes know what they will face and can train accordingly. I’m confident that athletes like Jeff Adler, Roman Khrennikov, or Justin Medeiros would post incredible times even if they’re not specialized in Hyrox.
Hyrox athletes are operating at lactate threshold for the entire race. Even. if they're able to run below they're Lt1, which i doubt they are, the mixed modalities are sure to spike they're heart rate above Lt2, whether thats form the burpees, pushing a sled or the wall balls, its happening. If they only focused on zone 2 , they would do terrible Also, crossfit athletes need a great aerboic base for many reasons, recovery being one of them. This video doesn't do a great job describing the differences of the 2 sports from an energy system stand point.
Zone two was stated under 'training'. I would argue that HYROX athletes benefit more from polarized training (mix of Z2 and Z4-5 training) compared to CrossFit athletes. You disagree?
am i the only one who feels like hyrox athletes are just losers who cant do muscle ups/snatches/hs push ups? it def less entertaining to watch for sure lol
They are just a different type of athlete, more focussed on conditioning, less on skill. It is fine, as long as it drives (mass) exercise participation (that is why HYROX is crushing it).
@@wod-science CF is SO MUCH MORE than an annual event (The Games). It is a fitness program dominated by affiliates and members pursuing fitness. The Games do represent sport but, again, CF is a fitness program, not a sport. HYROX is nothing more than a sport.
@@avera9636iys dominated by wankers thinking they are part of a cult and then strut around like wankers telling the world they are better than everyone else. Gimme another butterfly chinup... You wanker.
Imagine they programmed a full hyrox during the CrossFit Games. Would CrossFit athletes be slower / faster / the same as pro hyrox athletes? 👇
Not a knock on the CrossFit athletes but they would be significantly slower. Would still be respectable though.
slower - my guess is 5-10 minutes as they are not specialists. Depends on whether it would be the only event of the day.
Depends on the Athlete. Ricky and Kristi are very good at Hyrox
Slower due to the non-specialization of crossfit athlete.
A few years ago, there was the first "long" running event in a crossfit competition. I don't recall exactly but I think it was Mat Frase that didn't perform well. The year after, he did fairly well in the running even (because he trained for it).
Same thing happen with the swimming event. First year, it's a surprise. the second year, he is prepared and can handle the event (and doesn't lose much time).
And if Hyrox athletes had to max out a weightlifting lift vs Crossfit athletes they would get smoked. Hyrox is mostly running and cardio movements and less weights and heavy lifting implements.
Hit ‘like’ of this comment so I can see how many people read the comments section of my videos. Curious to know. 👍🤝
Differentiating the major focus between Hyrox and Crossfit is really quite telling of the type of athlete that is usually successful in competition. Crossfit athletes tend to be a lot bigger than Hyrox athletes. Bigger athletes usually do not perform as well in conditioning type of events compared to smaller and thinner athletes but can produce more power in a competitive setting. To be top 10 in the world in both would be quite an accomplishment.
Agreed. We need some deep-profiling of Hyrox athletes to better understand the demands of the sport.
Bigger as in heavier? Hyrox athletes are usually taller than CF athletes
@@BernhardKohli Yes bigger as in more mass or just simply bigger. I'd say being taller isn't a necessary attribute to being bigger. And being bigger is most definitely not a necessary attribute to being competitive in Hyrox
@@BernhardKohlitaller yes but not as heavy.
When you are a kid you admire the men who do bodybuilding, when you grow up you realize with that body you cant do anything, and admire and aspire to be as functional as you can. Hyrox or crossfit let you be in good shape and super healty. In my perspective similar to a soldier or a warrior,
First time here. As a physician and athlete I found this very informative. Keep up the good work. I agree hyrox athletes need great base but most will be in orange zone or zone 4 most of event.
Thanks for the props. Key point is that you need a large aerobic base to shift the orange zone to the right (ie increase your threshold power).
I do hyrox and am in zone 5 for 70% of the race. Dying
@@Reuben-Wincott lol same my man
This channel is underrated!
Appreciate that 🙌
Agreed!!
I just thought the same thing! Keep going, dude!
Love this!! I’m such a nerd for data, this is great. I actually feel better at CrossFit when I’m also doing more aerobic stuff (road cycling/triathlon). Love hyrox too
Makes complete sense -- building the engine long-term :)
Great video! I'll have to check out more of this channel.
P.S. Whenever I do Fran, it's almost always "intermittent"...and usually more than I wanted it to be.
Thanks for checking earlier videos - much appreciated.
Makes sense :) (me too). In these studies, participants did fran sub 4 min so that is a pretty good time without much breaks.
Great video, this is really informative about the impact either discipline have on your body. Thanks so much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well done and very interesting video. You just appeared in my UA-cam suggestions. Thanks a lot. Salutations de Genève 🤙🔥😎
Thanks for the kudos - merci merci, salutations de Zurich :)
Farmer’s Carry and Sled Push/Pull, Rowing, Skierg and, in particular, wall balls tend to favor taller athletes, especially in events like Hyrox, where height provides a clear advantage. For instance, with the wall ball exercise, the target is set at 3 meters for everyone. For someone who is 1.70 meters tall, the ball has to travel around 50-52 cm after release to reach the target. In contrast, a taller athlete at 1.85 meters only needs the ball to cover about 28-30 cm due to their height and longer arm reach. This reduced throw distance means that taller athletes expend less effort per repetition, giving them a notable efficiency edge. While shorter athletes can still perform well, matching the efficiency of taller competitors in these movements can be an extra challenge. Given this, I believe Hyrox could either modify the wall ball exercise or add events that provide shorter athletes with similar advantages, creating a more balanced competition.
Crossfit athlete here, this video is very clear and well described.
Thanks
Mate you are the first crossfitter coming clean. Good on you, hopefully you encourage your brethren wanker Crossfit cult to change.
I enjoyed this, much of it I already figured but especially interesting was the height of the athletes and their respective limb length - first time seeing the comparison made - the biomechanics. Would love a video in-depth into nutritional analysis; I felt that it was not long enough. Great video!
Yes, thanks. More people have asked that question on nutrition. This one might help? ua-cam.com/video/9q17kRcVLaQ/v-deo.html
Super interesting. Thanks a lot 🙏
Informative video but I think more data / studies are needed on HYROX athletes. My personal experience of Hyrox gives circa 45 mins in HR zone 4/5 so you better be training anaerobic threshold and not just relying on zone 2 / aerobic conditioning!
Excellent point. You are confusing two things here.
Yes, hyrox competition is in zone 4-5 (60-90 min) at or just below threshold power. But the whole goal of zone 2 training is to 'shift the threshold' to the right. This means that zone 2 will help the body deliver and consume more oxygen at the muscular level. So even though hyrox is at high intensity, high-volume low intensity training will help performance in those high energy expenditure zones.
fi. Cyclists to TONS of zone 2 training, while competing (at least the finale) at much higher zones.
Cool - many thanks for sharing the additional info and commentary. More Zone 2 will be added to my training plan!! 😀
I did hyrox pro simulation and finished in 74 minutes ..
with 8% zone 1 and zone2 ,
64% zone 3,
22% zone 4,
6% zone 5
I currently do CrossFit but I have long arms and legs and I'm a tall female and I am not good at gymnastics but discovered that I do better at the really long workouts..... I used to do half and full marathons. I'm excited about hirox because I feel like it combines both things I've enjoyed about fitness. (Distance running and CrossFit) What would you recommend for me to transition? Currently I plan to stay at my CrossFit gym, Make sure I have the movements down with the correct weight possibly build some running mileage back. Any recommendations of some things I can do now to supplement my current training? I would like to do a hyrox in about a year and a half. I'm an average or below average crossfitter only doing it for fitness and not looking to compete. I'm excited because hyrox feels achievable for me.
Thanks for sharing. We have currently running a free hyrox 2-week plan (strivee.app/marketplace/plan/2pDmv3OPAsm3LrbmvkLv) - you could look into that.
I think the most important thing you can start building up right now is running. Teaching the body to handle the mileage over time. The functional movements are of inferior importance.
It'd be cool to see some data on fight gone bad
Just found this channel. Great stuff!
I think drawing conclusions on optimal height based on the top 10 with a spread of 13cm is too little to go off of. I do agree that it's intuitive that it would favour taller athletes but I'd be interested to see an analysis comparingthe top 100 Hyrox athletes over several years to the Crossfit games athletes. Would be really interesting to see how significant the difference is!
There is no question that HYROX favours taller athletes, it is just physics. But I do agree a deep analysis would be appropriate here.
I would say "random" might be the wrong way to describe (effective) CrossFit training. Random training produces random results. "Varied" might be more descriptive... and how it SHOULD be in my opinion. We vary different movement patterns over different time domains, but we don't perform them "randomly". We actually structure them to address all movement patterns and time domains equally in a given period of time/training block.
I agree, this was the incorrect wording from my part.
Nevertheless, I do see a lot of CF boxes struggeling to put any structure in their 'varied' programming. Not being negative here, just saying that it is very challenging to put any structure in a training plan that requires dozens of movements under various time domains.
This is defo much easier to do in HYROX programming
@@wod-science Totally agree with you there!
A conclusion or final comparison maybe with a recommendation would be nice
I'm better-built for Hyrox- 6'5", 205lbs- than for Crossfit, but the number of Hyrox training facilities are few and far between. I train at a local Crossfit box, and I love it!
I'm in the same boat. I'd like to continue with CrossFit because it's helping me get mobility and get to the weights on some of the movements but would like to know of some things I can do to supplement the training so that I'm more ready for hyrox.
Very interesting video, thank you, (and I’ve subscribed), I do agree in general with the data you present, but for myself as a 170cm / 78kg athlete, I’m definitely on the short side, but as I come from an endurance running and swimming background I find I’m way better at Hyrox as I can hold a high output for a long time, whereas I just can’t lift heavy enough to excel at CrossFit. It is very interesting looking at the similarities and differences between the two sports. Your video was very informative thank you.
Thanks for the sub! Your analysis is on point. An endurance background defo helps in HYROX, less in CrossFit.
The intensity in Hyrox is what you make of it. Can you 'chill' in zone 2 ? Absolutely. But most arent doing that. They are zone 4-5 for sure. Go try it for yourself.
Its actually challengeing to hold back and pace yourself. Very easy to gas out early.
Absolutely. With the table I mentioned what HYROX vs. CROSSFIT athletes train more. Hyrox trains more zone 2 than crossfit. Obviously competing in hyrox is at much higher intensities (zone 4 and above).
Liked the video a lot. Missed a bit more detail / specifics on the nutrition section.
I agree. More deep dives into nutrition coming soon.
Great Analysis but after having spent time around the HYROX Elite 15 the height chart is not accurate. I'm not too sure where the height data came from but 3/4 of those athletes are much much taller than shown.
Yes. This what other people have told me as well. Athletes tend to be taller than their listed heights on the internet 😀. The data on CrossFit athletes is correct though, we measured ourselves.
Interesting, including lactate curve. Perhaps im wrong, but i see hyrox as a race. CF is a methodology based on 60 min classes. If they made hyrox a friday workout at my gym (our typical long days), nobody would freak out. Just another painful Friday, albeit long. No doubt i start to hit a wall around 45-60 minutes. I train zone 2 on weekends. Maybe i’ll try a hyrox and be humbled.
Thanks. Good point about the 60-min window in CF classes. I have not attended a hyrox class in a regular gym, but are they also one hour? Can anyone confirm?
My first Pro weight Hyrox in the gym took me 100 minutes... a lot longer than eg Murph
I agree with all of this except the arhlete size. If you look at this years croasfit semifinals it was an advantage if you were a taller athlete. The programming suited taller athletes.
That is what I mentioned in the video as a 'caveat'. I agree that it are mostly open style workouts that favour smaller atheltes. Semis and Games, not so much (which is good imo).
What would you suggest for a training protocol for a completely untrained individual to increase conditioning for crossfit, been doing 5 metcons per week, not noticed much if any difference, in terms of improved conditioning.
Literally next week we will launch an 12-week conditioning program for CrossFit participants. Focus on building the engine while not losing capacity in CF.
@wod-science: What is the correlation between lactate koncentration and H+ concentration? It seems like ppl are generally talking about lactate as something negative to muscle endurance due to the fact that higher lactate = higher H+. I never hear ppl talk about lactate recyling (glucos).
You are correct - Higer lactate (anaerobic glycolysis) is paired with higher H+ and hence fatigue. Lactate per se is not a negative or toxic by-product, but rather an energy source that can be converted into glucose!
The studies brought up by comparing intermittent frans and continuous frans, has me wondering… how many crossfit workout (individuals) have intermittent pauses in The Games? For what i remember crossfit has had 42km rows and longer 10-15km hill runs during the games too. Personally i feel that despite the evidence brought up, taking such skewed results and claiming that a hyrox athlete would have better aerobic base seems a lil base-less.
Yeah, it is still a minority of the workouts that are that long. And CrossFit athletes do not excel at running workouts (high body mass). Most of the workouts at the Games and certainly at the Semis are short in duration and high power output.
Thats right. CrossFit are better for dudes under 5/10 hyrax is just a much versatile training and less injuries than hyrox 👍🏻
In Semis i was really shocked about the height divs... most bigger guys absolutely smashed some timecaps ... and the height-weight ratio was very beneficial to them... just Colten and Austin suprised as "Shorthlete"
Yes. This years programming at the semis was excellent. Both larger and smaller athletes had a good chance to qualify. As it should be!
Is it true that crossfit isn’t as good for your body bc of the wear and tear from movements like the Kipping PUs and doing lifts with poor form?
Depends on your training background and volume you can handle. For novice atheltes, these are indeed the movements that can lead to injury. see here: ua-cam.com/video/hZAonq_RBuY/v-deo.htmlsi=Jscpp8y8AxZrWzso
Good video 👍🏾
Thanks.
Both Hyrox and CrossFit are branded event….
Hyrox is an obstacle race…. ( there are no overhead movement, heavy weight, or gymnastics skills)
Is more towards an cardio… like spartan. Objective is to have as much participant as possible to make the most money. Not much technical…
The actual governing federation of obstacle race is World Obstacle
CrossFit is a Functional Fitness competition… is to test all aspect of Fitness… 1. Cardiovascular/respiratory endurance-
2. Stamina
3. Strength
4. Flexibility
5. Power
7. Coordination
8. Agility
9. Balance
To find the fittest person. The objective of Croasfit is to create more affiliate “club” to make the most income.
The governing body of Functional Fitness is International Functional Fitness Federation
Hope this help you clear things out professor
Ok thanks 😀
Zack Bitter does ultra marathons on low carb diet.
Yep, ultra marathons are for 90%+ running on fat, so if you are a very good fat-adapted athlete, there is something to be said to do ultraruns on a low carb diet.
For any sport at higher intensity and / or shorter duration, I do not recommend.
@@wod-science i have been doing crossfit on the prescribed low carb diet by Greg Glassman for 10 years
@CrossFit should use a HYROX event as one of the prerequisites to make it to the Games
That would shake up the field!
Nah, Hyrox should be 1 event of 13 events at the CrossFit Games.
@@PrimalPetersen You know, I actually like that idea ...
@@PrimalPetersen instagram.com/p/C8X_GnAgJXV/ people at HQ are talking about it, maybe we got sth rolling :)
@@wod-science Mate!!!! 😂
Great video, right up my alley. I keep seeing more about hyrox and even a girl I know just did the world championships.
Seems like it really suits my strengths, I'd like to try it if they ever have an event in Calgary or Edmonton.
Better start running :). Thanks for the kind words.
Great video
Did you say that running is more suited to taller athletes??
You disagree?
@@wod-science I think almost all conventional wisdom and data on endurance running would disagree. Happy to be corrected if you show otherwise.
@@sharkdom Conventional wisdom states that the longer your legs the further reach your stepping will have, thus greater distance travel within each step. Don't know of any "scientific" study proving that theory is wrong or not though.
@@alanbejarano4940 Ah yes, now that you say that it does make sense why all elite endurance runners are 6ft+. 🤡
@alanbejarano4940 ahh of course, you're right, I forgot that elite endurance runners are all 6ft+. 🤡
I have 3 herniated discs, so CF is a big no no for me. Sadly Hyrox is almost non existant in Greece :(
You can train hyrox on yourself?
Take Tia Toomey and Haley Adams and test it.
My guess. If they do not specifically train for this due to high volume of CrossFit training, they’d be 5-8% slower than pro hyrox athletes.
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Crossfit is meant to train stamina, strength, power, flexibility, speed, coordination, agility, balance, and accuracy. Hyrox is one crossfit workout training stamina, speed, and some strength. I would extend the Crossfit time domain to 3 seconds to 60+ minutes with the average being 15 minutes. Any high level crossfit athlete would do very well at Hyrox without training specifically for Hyrox. The opposite cannot be said about Hyrox athletes (Hunter didn't make the first cut at the games and actually would not have even qualified for the games if he didn't get a special invite). Love Hunter, love Hyrox, but comparing Hyrox to Crossfit is like comparing flying a kite to flying a jet.
That is why the title says they are different sports ;)
All the crossfitters being so butthurt. No one said you’d do bad in hyrox, just that you run slower then a h fox athlete, because you just run less mileage. You guys feel attacked so fast
As a 5'6 male... im screwed for Hyrox then lol
Hard work pays off 😀
@wod-science I'll turn up with platforms instead 🤣
I'd like to see more info about women
Yep I agree, more and more reseach is including women. For instance, my latest video is a good example -- ua-cam.com/video/bVJxoHpBOsI/v-deo.htmlsi=Gl7okt26kzhWrgjW
HYROX: The Wish version of Crossfit.
...also, HYROX: please ensure your hip crease is below knee level when squatting and performing wallballs.
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If you want to be injured l recommend CrossFit, but if you want to be fit and functional it’s hyrox
Cannot agree at all with that statement. In fact, running is more injury prone than CrossFit. So I would argue, without having any data (yet), that Hyrox leads to more injuries than CrossFit.
Let's wait for good data before drawing strong conclusions here.
Crossfit would be alot better and more popular without the exercises like handstands and double unders.. and focused more on things that more people can do without learning complex skills
Not sure I can agree with that. First, it is always possible to do that, just don't program those movements. Second, when people eventually learn those difficult technical movements, they get a lot of joy unlocking such a skill. Without CF, this would never have been possible.
@@wod-science i understand exactly where your coming from, but i still think learning such complex skills takes away from the potential that the rest of the exercises have
@@M.C.R.SYNTRN You mean that doing too high volume of complex skill could hamper improvements in overall conditioning and strength, and even increase injury risk? Could be indeed. Most people will be perfectly fine with bootcamps and hyrox :)
Hyrox is running. CF is physical fitness
There is more to it, but it is a good summary. Preparing a video exactly on this topic atm.
Like most researchers, you can't be bothered with women?
Pro women seem to not be tall in Hyrox.
Researchers do care about women. Women were simply not included in early sport science due to the fact researchers thought their hormonal cycles affected study outcomes. Now that that is debunked women are increasingly included in studies.
@@wod-science yes it is changing, thankfully, however hormonal cycles absolutely do affect study outcomes. THe biggest issue with the exclusion of women was that the data from men was generalised to women when it was not applicable, much like what you are doing in your video Unless your audience is men only, I guess then it does not matter.
Meh, I prefer my method….run 26 miles and bench twice my weight
Well with CrossFit you have to look like an idiot while trying to do pull-ups.
Have you tried yourself doing those kipping pull-up at high-intensity in a workout? Always gives me the best pumps ever.
@@wod-science A pump isn't a good enough reason to do it, considering how bad it is for your joints and how much more effective normal, full ROM pull ups are at building muscle and rep count. I guess, if your main goal is to do as many kipped pull ups as possible, it makes sense? If you want to be more athletic, have more control of your body in 3D space and build more strength across more muscle groups, it is a categorical waste of time versus conventional pull-ups.
First time I see this Channel! This is an amazing video very informative. 66 yo Master CrossFitter. I’d love to participate to an Hyrox.
Thanks! Much more to come 😀. Don’t hesitate, defo go for a hyrox!
@@wod-science lol ok but if it wasn’t so expensive!
Hyrox is just CrossFit for people that aren’t that strong.
CrossFit is a short lad sport, they program for heavy lifts because they’re a greater spectator event. So short dudes with short levers excel.
Hyrox, is for dudes that like run clubs
Yep, touched on that in the video. You are right for Open-style videos, but for semi-final and Games it seems to be switching in favor for the taller guys.
Had to laugh with that last phrase :)
🙏🙏💪
Dont forget that lighter crossfit athlete did excel at hyrox but i havent heard of a hyrox athlete podium
A CrossFit Games athlete would smash an hyrox competition. An Hyrox pro would not even qualifies for Crossfit semifinal. That’s the difference.
You describe the specificity of each sport. In term of technicality and strength, yes you are right, a hyrox athlete would not come close to an elite crossfit athlete. In terms of conditioning and threshold power, a hyrox athlete beats a crossfit athlete every day. That is fine, that is why the title mentions they are different sports.
You are clueless. When has a CrossFit athlete "crushed" a hyrox? Because they have raced them. Evidence is better than lame opinions
The woman in Houston may have won, but she by no means crushed anything
Also
When has a CrossFit athlete crushed a half marathon?
That said, hyrox athletes could not get close to sniffing the games, so agreed there
@@aaronnowlin6417 Exactly, I said “would smash,” not that they have already done it. My point is that CrossFit Games athletes are capable of doing it and could set record times because they excel in a combination of strength, technique, and conditioning. While Hyrox specializes more in endurance and threshold power, CrossFit training covers a wider range of physical skills, providing a competitive edge. This is why I think CrossFit athletes have the potential to achieve remarkable results in Hyrox competitions.
@@SwanLP24 Obviously we do not know for sure at this point. But I tend to disagree. CrossFit athletes are much more muscular compared to HYROX, which makes them lesser runners. As HYROX is 8K of running, Crossfit athletes would in general do less good in long HYROX races. That is fine btw, they do not train specifically for it.
@@wod-science I understand your point, but CrossFit is specifically about preparing for the unknown and unknowable. In this case, athletes know what they will face and can train accordingly. I’m confident that athletes like Jeff Adler, Roman Khrennikov, or Justin Medeiros would post incredible times even if they’re not specialized in Hyrox.
Hyrox athletes are operating at lactate threshold for the entire race. Even. if they're able to run below they're Lt1, which i doubt they are, the mixed modalities are sure to spike they're heart rate above Lt2, whether thats form the burpees, pushing a sled or the wall balls, its happening. If they only focused on zone 2 , they would do terrible Also, crossfit athletes need a great aerboic base for many reasons, recovery being one of them. This video doesn't do a great job describing the differences of the 2 sports from an energy system stand point.
Zone two was stated under 'training'. I would argue that HYROX athletes benefit more from polarized training (mix of Z2 and Z4-5 training) compared to CrossFit athletes. You disagree?
@@wod-science yes i do, even 2k rowers use polarized training
no sean tan tontos, porque tantos esfuerzos por diferenciar algo que no tiene sentido
osea si, la parte emocionante del crossfit la sacan y lo llaman hyrox. seria una carrera del tipo de entrenamiento llamado "
funcional"
am i the only one who feels like hyrox athletes are just losers who cant do muscle ups/snatches/hs push ups? it def less entertaining to watch for sure lol
They are just a different type of athlete, more focussed on conditioning, less on skill. It is fine, as long as it drives (mass) exercise participation (that is why HYROX is crushing it).
Crossfitters are just people who couldn't cut it at real sports so invented Crossfit
CF is a FITNESS program . . . not a sport. HYROX is a sport.
Please tell Mat Fraser or Tia-Clair.
@@wod-science CF is SO MUCH MORE than an annual event (The Games). It is a fitness program dominated by affiliates and members pursuing fitness. The Games do represent sport but, again, CF is a fitness program, not a sport. HYROX is nothing more than a sport.
@@avera9636hyrox is now having gyms that are affiliated too, they are moving towards that as well.
@@avera9636iys dominated by wankers thinking they are part of a cult and then strut around like wankers telling the world they are better than everyone else. Gimme another butterfly chinup... You wanker.