IS CARL LENTZ *FINALLY* OPENING UP ABOUT HILLSONG? | Podcast Reaction
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Babe wake up, new B Haney videos with the measured and rational takes we love her for just dropped
Haha happy Saturday, let’s gooo!!
My win for the week is that I gave birth to my second baby 🥰 feeling so blessed
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Listening to this, I keep hearing his wife say, "this was hard for me, this was hard for the kids," and he keeps bring it back to, "but you don't understand how hard this was for me!"
I'm sure it was, but it still doesn't feel like he's really taking responsibility for his own actions.
It's hard to sit there and listen to someone tell you about the hurt you caused. But that's a step you have to go through to repair the relationship.
It feels like every moment of personal accountability is chased by a "poor me" statement. I know it sucks that their friends abandoned them, BUT this happens when your friendships are intertwined with people's jobs.
The fact that he says HIS affair and drug addiction exposed his FRIENDS is a wild thing to say lol.
The whole thing feels like an apology tour and an attempt to put out an official story for everything to distract from their wrongdoing ie abusing their nanny
I will say, just based off the comment you briefly made of her experience with the therapy she did... I did 8 weeks of intensive outpatient therapy, going 3 full days a week (severe grief reaction after my mom died) and the therapy I got, and the LEARNING about myself, how to cope, and "un-learn" negative beliefs I had about myself from the childhood trauma really WAS more than I had learned in the decade of therapy I had been going to on a weekly/bi-weekly basis. So, I vouch for the comment she made about 4 days being like 5 years. If you're in the right place, with the right therapist(s) IOP therapy is amazing. And it's so exhausting because your brain and heart is going through so much that it causes physical exhaustion. I remember going home and taking naps. When i continued therapy afterwards, I was disappointed at how surface-level it went back to.
I'm glad he and his wife claim they are moving on and have healed, but I'm not sure who this podcast is for?
He's not holding anyone from Hillsong accountable (even though he claims to have information that would 'ruin reputations') and defends the absolutely VILE behavior of Brian and Bobbie Houston, he spent long stretches of time talking about how betrayed HE felt when friends left his life after uncovering the truth about his awful behavior, and he's still being cagey about what happened with the nanny. I just don't know why they even made this? Not trying to be cruel, but I think I'm missing the point of this podcast.
Right? I’m glad they’re in a better spot for their family’s sake but I’m not quite sure why the average listener would choose this podcast (aside from people who already knew about Carl and want to hear the details he’s being vague about) or what purpose they would give for creating it.
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Agree- without detail, who is this helping?
Exactly!! I'm over here thinking "churches should need to use NDA's but nobody wants to have THAT conversation" 😬
He is saying all the right things but then still victimizes himself in the conversation. The conversation about their friends “abandoning” them reallllly irks me. We all have standards for ethical behavior among the people we trust, the people closest to us - and when someone breaches that, it’s natural for that relationship to suffer. That’s just healthy.
My win for the week, I quit one job and got another...and am very happy about it.
The fact that she punched her employee instead of her husband 😭. She shouldn’t have punched anyone, but I feel like women are always blamed.
I had the most incredible experience at a conference for queer choirs from around the country. We listened to each other's performances, collaborated, attended workshops, and got to know our queer, singing siblings better, all 7,000 of us! Find your people ❤️
That sounds like so much fun! I’m glad you got to go and had a great time! 💛
I've gotta say, I feel pretty conflicted about the things Carl's been saying and I think a lot of it just boils down to Carl's talking the talk, but I'm not really convinced he's walking the walk.
Same here. The words sound good but I’m hustling skeptical of the sincerity.
What bothers me the most is that the Lentz family seems to want to be extended the same grace that they expected a member of their congregation to receive. But they weren’t a member of a congregation - they were the leaders of one, and they were held to a higher standard. When you accept a leadership role, you accept that you have to uphold certain ideals. Idk, it just rubs me the wrong way. This isn’t the best example, but I’m a lawyer, and even though certain things my clients do aren’t WRONG, it also doesn’t mean that I will freely engage in every behavior that they engage in. Because I’m somewhat in a position where my reputation matters, it means I avoid certain behaviors, even if they aren’t illegal or unethical, because I need to make sure that my clients trust me, and part of that depends on my reputation in the community. It’s not a double standard, it’s accepting that in order to provide the best help possible, you have to be extremely protective of your actions, and if you mess up, you need to be willing to accept that you can lose that standing in your community forever.
Win for the week is letting go of the space/ sadness I held for others missing out due to their addictions. I have so much energy and room for new goodness! ❤
My WFTW: I'm seeing the progress I've made in therapy! I'm validating myself more and am able to cope a lot better than I did
She punched her employee??? Yikes
Yeah I'd like to hear some accountability for that because it's horrendous.
Vent!!
I’m married to someone with compulsive behaviors and we both went on a long journey of learning and healing.I’m a bit triggered listening to Carl and Laura, and I can’t put my finger on why exactly, but it sounds like they’re still in the thick of a lot of personal work. Honestly, he still has some narcissistic tendencies, which is to say I’m getting “the piece of crap that the whole world revolves around” vibes.
I hope they continue to learn and grow. I hope they don’t “ believe their own press” (if they can generate good press).
But also, through dealing with my husband’s compulsive behavior, I dismantled my own life, and I questioned literally everything. I researched the Bible and the history of Christianity and fundie beliefs, and they didn’t ring true to me anymore, so I’m not a Christian now.
But when I was a Christian, I was deep into Christian circles and knew a lot of dirty laundry in my corner of Christian leadership. His actions don’t surprise me at all. Not at all. But I do wish leaders in the church would be held to a high standard of character and morality and also supported if they fall.
Anyway, I hope Carl is still in 12-step and repeats a fearless and searching moral inventory.
Love you, B! I’m not a Christian, but you’re doing the Lord’s work! I hope you’re doing great!
After listening to this all I can think is grifters gonna grift. Thank you for pointing out how he is claiming to take responsibility yet playing the victim. It’s the typical response from the pastors boys club playbook.
First?! So glad you’re continuing to cover this!
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"I found out i was a drug addict" sounds to me like somebody who was taking their prescription more often than they were meant to.. very easy for those of us with adhd to end up doing accidentally. It might take an outside person to point out that you've crossed the line into drug abuse
This! As someone with terrible ADHD (and needs medicine to function normally) my fear is always addiction.
My WftW is me moving my body every day this week except for yesterday when I decided to rest. Maybe I'm going to listen to this episode on my morning bike ride!
I am just a few seconds in and feel the need to wish for Carl taking responsibility and giving support and emotional space for his wife and kids, who are (in my book) the real troopers.
But I expect just the same wishy washy "I did a thing" and "It was hard for ALL of us." Lets see, how it goes. 😬
I gotta say I find many of their comments very useful. Though I'm ever the skeptic(hence why I watch here, so Queen B can call mf's out), I am also always open to supporting healing, growth, love and all other things that allow us to live healthy lives. I've heard many helpful things, so thanks much!
Weird that he is still using the following terms “bad things happen’ “working through hard things in life” etc. but this was something he choose to do repeatedly
Now that I am am about an hour and a half in, he is going on about how his friends abandoned him, but didn’t he talk about 30 minutes earlier how that was something that regularly happened at Hillsong? Has he apologized to any of those people?
I feel the same way about this episode that I did about the first, they’ve done some growth and that’s wonderful but they have a lot more to go before they offer advice to other people. They really minimized the very public role they had and why that’s the reason most friends no longer trusted him when they made the comment about how they fixed their marriage issues so why did everyone else care. They care because your whole job was based on you being a moral teacher Carl and you were a liar. 😂
My WFTW: I got to have dinner with my friends twice this week!
You will never restore any kind of intamacy in any sense when the buffer of cameras and incentive of audience are in the mix,no way.
Maybe I’m just gullible, but I hear a lot of sincerity in Carl’s voice. Not saying he’s perfect by any means…I just think he actually wants to be a better person. For his family’s sake, I am cheering him on.
I don't think you're gullible, I think there are moments when he sounds sincere as well. However, it also sounds like he still has a LOT of unlearning to do. One of the first things he said in regards to Hillsong is that he's keeping his mouth shut about all the stuff he knows. So he complains about being chewed up by this unhealthy machine, but is aiding the damage and ongoing abuse of other people by staying silent? I think that he still has a long way to go. I am on the same page as you, I hope he is sincere and him and his family attain healing and peace.
He made a career out of sounding sincere. I agree with you, but if he wanted to put on the act I'm thinking it would be easy for him to do. There's a reason he was the star preacher of a worldwide mega church 👀
My win for the week 🙌 is spending quality time with my sister and my niece. 💜
I live in Stockholm in Sweden. Hillsong has find it's way too our little county too. In Stockholm, the capital of Sweden. And our other big cities. And there are already in controversy. I always tend to believe the victim. Like I wish had been done for me.
Whst is with the cultures need to make everything public???watch my homebirth!watch my breakdown!watch my family process trauma!its freaking sick,i question the addiction to attention,positive or negative these people cant serm to function ling without it.
My win for the week is that we finalized my engagement ring and it’s being made right now! 🥰
This feels like some sort of comeback. He wants yhr limelight instead of going off to live his life.
That his family is in a better place is good, but the system that is Hillsong needs to be outed but he skirts over it. I dunno. Can't put my finger on it.
I mean, he said he signed an NDA. He can’t.
To address one part of this, I don’t think the wording “I found out I had a drug addiction” or “ I found out I was an addict” is that strange. As someone who has family and friends who struggle with addiction, that’s actually pretty common. People who are in the depths of their addiction tell themselves and justify their actions with all kinds of reasons. And even if they manage to get off of pills or drugs or booze, they’ll often turn around and get addicted to something else. So him “finding out” he had an addiction is pretty common because for people with an addictive personality, the substance isn’t the problem. They can get addicted to anything. That’s why it’s so surprising for some people
Always amazing B! I feel like Carl still have a long way to go with some of his opinions!
1:26:36 I am just so amazed that he is able to articulate how betrayed he felt by his friends (then say he didn’t feel bitter or anything….mhmm. Sure.) but like dude- the wife you cheated on and lied to us RIGHT THERE and you aren’t giving her the floor! Why are YOU talking about feeling betrayed? Hello???
I’m having to watch this in like 30 minute blocks days or a week apart, this man is driving me up the wall. He somehow is so clearly making himself the victim- even when he says ‘well I put myself in this position’ it’s like, buddy. You just spent 10 minutes blaming and shaming other people for how they treated you after the scandal. A half 🍑-ed sentence of accountability that sounds rehearsed and forced isn’t going to disguise how resentful you are.
Hey, I’m in recovery & totally get how someone saying I found out sounds very odd. While that wasn’t my experience I hear stores weekly & have heard that many times or I didn’t think ___ made me an alcoholic or an addict. Doesn’t shock me w/ the other compulsive issues he has that substance abuse went along with it. You’d be surprised how many ppl, especially that are prescribed something & continue to take more & more don’t consider themselves addicts at the time for a variety of reasons. A big one being the stigma in this country & having this picture in your head of what an addict is, looks like, etc. In hindsight you’ll think duh but it’s interesting how between stigma, perception, downplaying, being able to function in a work/family capacity you can rly not see it. 💕 I have to say as someone who rly hated the things I learned in the hillsong doc, I thought I’d be super off put by him regardless, in your first episode w/ him I still did but in this one I’ll admit I’m feeling differently. Sometimes it takes everything to fall apart to rly look at yourself unfortunately. I just hate how many church leaders continue to create the perception that believers are like this.
I do think he keeps bringing it back to him which could be the topic because they’re talking about their personal journey to healing post fallout. It’ll be interesting to see if in future episodes he’ll talk about how hard it was for him as a father, wife, believer. I do see it though more in this episode for sure.
WFTW: My wife and I are getting through our second bout with COVID-19. Right now, just grateful for feeling better and hoping our energy levels reach their normal levels soon! It's a gradual thing, but I'm glad to be feeling functional again!
B, is there something different about the audio on this video? It seems as though it goes in and out!
Going into mental health counseling & been in therapy for manyyyy years. No ways 4 days is the equivalent of 5 yrs in traditional therapy. Even if they had group and/or individual therapy from 9-5, all 4 days, not even close. That would still be shy of a session per week for a year. 9 mos at 1hr/week equivalent but, that’s TOPS. You’d have to know so much about the place cuz as we know, there’s so many things out there these day. I’m SO glad she stopped in the midst of that to take care of solely herself because I cannot imagine!!
Happy Saturday, B! Love your vid as per usual; you always make my day 🎉
Happy Saturday!! ☀️ and thank you so much, I hope you have a great weekend💛
He said his FRIENDS in the crowd that you all used to see me run with… which makes me think the celebrities & idk if those were you closest friends & some of them saw you as their PASTOR!
I just don’t think church & NDAs should go or need to go together. That’s my opinion. I understand it’s a job, massive corporation in this case but I’m sorry it shouldn’t be necessary.
I can't believe that he's being truthful. Why is he even talking about his tears being real?? What is really going on here? This feels manipulative! What about all the people in the church who've been victimized by this? He doesn't deserve a platform to make money off of all the trauma!😳
As a person prescribed Adderall-for 10+ years-being “addicted” or over-use burns you out, but you’re not under a “high” and you clearly know what you’re doing. It’s the weakest of all addictions to blame like a person would for alcohol, cocaine, meth, or opioids.
As a recovering addict myself.... It truly makes me wonder if he even knows what being am addict is... And if he's just saying/using this for attention... I know that is horrible of me to think, but truthfully it was the first thing that popped into my mind when I heard him say this... I've been an addict for 15+ years & I have just never heard another addict refer to their addiction in this way... I obviously don't know him personally, but I have met people who have claimed to be an "addict"
Which is genuinely mind boggling because being an addict isn't "cool" it isn't "fun" it's the absolute worst thing I have ever dealt with in my entire life, something us addicts will have to STRUGGLE with for the REST of our lives... But I just have this extremely strong gut feeling that he's just saying that he is an addict, or strongly over exaggerating... Again, I don't personally know him & obviously I have absolutely no room to judge... Just was my first reaction and gut feeling to hearing him talk about his addiction
Happy Saturday B Haney!
Happy Saturday! I hope you have a great weekend 🎉
So when Carl was talking about still loving Bobbie and Bryan, he said he was choosing to love them. And I understood that to mean that Carl might not be feeling the love so much as making a conscious choice to be loving towards them.
I appreciate your takes. I was raised Christian and I still like to keep up with Christian news and you do that but without all the bigotry lol.
Carl Lentz makes me so uncomfortable and I feel like he is always trying to grift.
Ok, I'm sorry, totally off topic but I'm on the search for nice/affordable press on nails and I think I remember you saying you use press ons in one of your previous videos. If so, what brand are they? If not, please ignore hahah xoxo
Yesss I love Olive and June press ons. Amazon has some good options for multiple colors in one pack which are super budget friendly and I use those sometimes but I still use the Olive and June glue with them.
@@BHaney Ahh yay thank you! I order some last night! Can't wait to try them out
Love Josh and Kendall
Wait didn't Jodi Hildebran? have a "therapy" In Arizona? Because I have heard so many men that they found out that they where addicted to substances and 6 and much more?
he looks v high in his instagram selfies