CARL LENTZ TELLS US WHY HE CHEATED | Carl and Laura Lentz Open Up (about everything...)
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How about you leave your teenage child’s hospitalization TF out of it?? No one needed to know these intimate details.
I’m a little more than halfway through. Not buying any of this dude’s crap. He sounds like a dirty cheater who got caught on a public stage and has memorized the lines he needs to repeat to garner pity. I absolutely believe he did all those things to the nanny.
I’m a non-Christian with a lot of religious hurt that I am trying to unpack and I love watching your channel. You aren’t doing ads for random things or regurgitating other people’s views… you are just delivering your content with kind and compassionate perspective that is fair yet steadfast in your beliefs. I really appreciate all that you do!
Agree. She’s the best!!
Same!!!
tell her again!!
Only a few minutes into the video but I just want to express to you that I think what you do on UA-cam is really unique and innovative and so incredibly valuable. Your non-extremist, grounded Christian perspective on all of these famous Christian influencers/issues is just so refreshing to watch. You maintain your solid stance and firm hold on your (and my) core beliefs and I honestly align with you on every topic and your ability to articulate and back your beliefs just blow me away. You’re doing something really amazing here and I really trust and appreciate you, B. Hope you are feeling well and staying cool in this summer heat as you approach your third trimester!! ❤
This is such a kind message, thank you so much 💛 I’m feeling pretty ok with the summer heat so far…July might be the month I start carrying an ice pack with me though!!
Agreed!
I also agree 😊
I'm struggling with how as a grown adult he's recognised what a toll his own choices being public took on him yet he's voicing his daughters incredibly private vulnerable story without her there. It's very hard to hear that cruel disconnect.
So many thoughts. Why are they sharing their children’s private health issues?!! Also his ‘you don’t fall from grace, you fall into grace’ is such a Christian-ese word salad of platitudes.
Laura’s personal experience of her reasons to forgive him are consenting to me. She mentioned listening to his childhood trauma at an early therapy session and that caused her to have empathy towards him and the affair, she says ‘gave her context’. This is a potentially dangerous position to share as it can excuse serious abuse and cause someone to stay in a very unsafe abusive relationship because ‘he behaves like this because of his traumatic childhood’. Red flags flying. I’ve personally experienced this, largely because of this Christian ideology of forgiveness and right wrongs.
That’s a REALLY good point. I’m glad they went to therapy so hopefully a professional would be able to help Laura if they felt the relationship was abusive but not everyone is going to have that same resources as her. They might hear Laura say she decided to work on things with her husband because he had bad things happen to him as a child and so they decide to stay too because they look up to her but their situation could be far more dangerous.
I can’t get over how much HE is talking. He even talks over his wife multiple times , as if he thinks the most important viewpoint in this situation is his own, instead of someone he hurt with his actions. Maybe it’s just the way it’s edited, but it doesn’t make him look good, for sure.
And my win for the week is making progress of the blanket I’m crocheting. I can finally cover myself with it while I’m crocheting. ❤
I noticed it seemed like he was interrupting her a lot too!
And yay!! That’s so cool 😊
I was livid when I heard Carl talk about how “character building” and “growth” their children had because of the experience. Yes, life experiences can give you an opportunity to grow personally, but this situation was HIM deciding to pour the gasoline, lighting the match, and setting things on fire. 😳
Exactly 💯
I have to agree. I saw the documentary where Carl spent most of it pretending like this situation was something that happened to him rather than a result of something HE did. He was minimising what he did and was defensive. I found it very disingenuous.
I’m all for people getting a second chance and seeking forgiveness if they are genuinely sorry for the pain they caused others. I’m not sure if Carl ever really got to this place
“Ohhh nooo if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions” as he explains the chaos that his family went through and how some friends didn’t show up for him. LIKE DUH, no shit.
I have never followed Karl as a. Pastor, but my instinctual reaction was "wow, this dude loves to hear himself talk". From the story of the news dropping there seemed to be an underlay of entitlement. Most families in this situation wouldn't exepct that someone drop them a free place to live. They would rent a hotel room for mom and kids and go stay somewhere lowkey yourself to let his wife process for a while. Also his wife being the one who kept having to bring up the "tought truths" in the interview says a lot to me.
I think another contributing factor to the epidemic of pastors having affairs (and worse) is the culture that emphasizes forgiveness for anyone for anything with a focus on redemption rather than continued consequences. I'm not knocking forgiveness, but I think "forgive and forget" is very dangerous in many circumstances and just because you forgive someone doesn't mean you have to trust them again or even continue to associate with them and some actions should have consequences you can't come back from. Abusing the trust of your congregation (not to mention family) for your own creepy gain is one of them if you ask me.
Yeah I completely agree. And of course pastors are people too, but they need to be held to a different level of standards because they LEAD people, right? It presents the question of like, exactly how much grace should be extended to pastors who hope maintain their position within the church? They are entrusted in being a reflection of Christ and who knows and follows His teachings.
Agree. There are consequences to actions and those stay regardless of repentance and forgiveness. A pastor's affair with a church member is not just 2 adults; it is an abuse of power and unequal dynamics.
Restore a person, but don't put them back into that place of power and influence. Too many 'fallen pastors' are 'restored to ministry' for much much worse (Thinking Robert Morris story)
And like B said, the indiscretions were ongoing and the choice to lie continuously every moment he was presented with his wife’s face is a gigantic red flag of his character. Where was his guilty conscience and the voice of God in all of those months and years that he chose to be unfaithful in heart, mind, and body to his wife? It certainly is particularly heinous but I suppose I want to believe that a true transformation has happened in his heart. His apparent honesty and accountability is hopefully genuine . But would I choose to attend his new church that he will be pastoring? Probably not, to be honest
Especially someone who doesn't have enough of an internal sense of empathy to even consider that his actions will hurt his wife and kids. He didn't care until it negatively affected him and his reputation. That is not someone who should be leading people.
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My win for the week is that I got the job!!! I have been so worried and depressed since I was laid off from my job of 10 years. It feels like a weight was lifted off me.❤
That’s incredible!! I hope you are celebrating!! 🥳
@saratexas5181 thank you so much!!
I’m SO happy for you!!! Huge congrats! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@dwightschrute2323 thank you! 😊
I celebrated a year with my doggo this week! I adopted her at 7 so know our time is shorter but she has brought me so much joy.
Congratulations on a year with your pup! 💛 I think it’s great you adopted an older dog and I’m sure she’s living the best life with you!
Yay thank you for adopting!!
It doesn’t sit right with me that he’s saying “I’m not a disgraced former pastor; I’m a human being.” You’re both, Carl. “I don’t identify with that.” Hmm maybe you should.
He’s acting as if what he did is a tragedy that FELL on them. A natural disaster. “They suffer well. We’re super proud of them” WHAT. So if those news destroyed them then you wouldn’t be proud of them..?? Now they have to earn something and prove something to you??? 😐
I found this really annoying. Not your reaction, but just how vague and full of platitudes the other podcast was. If you’re taking accountability for something, you have to state clearly what the transgression was. And I’m sure this was hard on them and their family, but it was repeated so much that it started to lose its meaning for me. I feel like the wife was more direct while Carl just kept diverting to platitudes and euphemisms. My heart broke for their kids though. And I hope they have their daughter’s permission to talk about her history of mental health treatment. Bringing it up felt a like a violation of her privacy. Overall, I’m interested in seeing if they get more specific and focused in the next podcast or if it’s all like this.
I wondered about the daughter's privacy, too. Yes, those are important things, and it's something they had to deal with and go through, too, but I'd like to have heard "she's okay with us talking about it" or something. It makes me think about how I talk about having put my son in therapy as a kid; I think it's important to normalize getting counseling and talking openly about the fact of it (what they were working on is counseling is its own subject), but I should check in with him, too.
I am glad that young people are generally more comfortable getting and talking about counseling and mental health.
Once you get a taste of the spotlight and money, it's hard to let that go and live a quiet, normal life like the rest of us🙄
This 🎯
I’m an hour in and idk, I just feel icky about this. He was messing up his family while his daughter was in a mental hospital. Now he’s using it for content? Weird.
Yeah I dont get a good feeling from this guy. I get strong main character energy
This guy talking about his daughter's mental health crisis leading up to her forgiving him is really distasteful. I understand that that's difficult as a parent to go through, and I hope the day she shared that she forgave him was healing for them both, but don't put your underage daughter's personal, private, medical business out there. Realistically, there's still a lot that she's likely processing regarding the issues that put her in the mental health hospital to begin with, and sharing this for all the internet to hear and speculate about will not help things.
My WftW is that I get to help my cousin with taking care of our nieces (4y/o and 2y/o) and nephew (3 m/o), who are having a sleepover with her son (5 y/o).
These kiddos are everything to me and I love being with them. As I type this, the 3 m/o is on my chest and I'm so happy I could burst! ❤🥰
Awww, that sounds so fun! 💛
I don’t feel like he is taking enough personal accountability. His tone of voice, choice of words, etc here- he seems like he is on a “redemption tour”, not true humbleness. He also doesn’t let her talk enough. He doesn’t come across as truthful if he was on the stand. Also, why is he talking about their child’s personal business. I don’t want to hear about it unless it’s out of the child’s mouth after 18.
Yeah, hearing them talk about their daughter made me a bit uncomfortable, especially since they stated that their kids were already in the public eye. People presumably know who she is, so that's kind of awkward at best.
Definitely felt uncomfortable with them talking about how each of their kids reacted. Most people probably know a kid is not going to react positively to learning one of their parents was having an affair. No need to go into their individual responses.
i thought i could listen to this but the second i heard his voice, i recoiled. sorry B! i can't do it. maybe someone will do timestamps that highlight different topics that get brought up so i can pinpoint the issues i'm most interested in. i'm glad you are reacting to this! you're the only voice i've seen so far on YT i trust to give a fair look at his comments.
I totally get it 💛
What about his fraud and money misuse relating to the whistleblowing case against Hillsong. Misusing tithing to buy expensive lifestyles, Karl’s wife is apart of that and should be held accountable
If they think that their kids are okay and have dealt with this and the kids are “so strong” they’re delusional. This will follow them for the rest of their lives. It will affect their own romantic relationships. Kids are resilient but they’re also good at modelling the behaviours the adults in their lives are asking of them.
My win for the week is getting good news about one of the family cats from my sister. I moved out recently and she's been keeping me up to date. He's on borrowed time but he's doing well for now ❤
My WFTW: my teaching contract was extended for another year!
Congratulations! Cheers to another year ✨🎉
*He* feels humilated by telling his story? And the vibe I get is all 'we are fixed so we can lead and help others' fishing for a new public role.
'when all this stuff went down' - As in the news breaking? So the impact of the lies, rather than admitting to the relationships etc.
Poor kids, traumatic experience.
'it isn't fair'? what that people found out what you did and hold you to account?
Not good the effect on his mental health - I think the 'celebrity pastor' thing is bad all around. Those put on pedestals and the people who put them there.
not comfortable with him sharing daughters MH story - his story yes, but as someone who will be now about 18; already dealing with her father's story; privacy about health matters should be protected.
Win for the week: my boss initiated a conversation about a promotion and my next steps, which is exciting and scary! Also just groomed my dog which is a ton of work 😂
Let’s goooo!! That’s super exciting 🙌🏻
I think it’s good that they are coming out and talking about it but like come on he didn’t think about any of these consequences when he was having the affair? Just so gross honestly
Right!? I think it’s valuable to hear people speak openly about stuff like this but it’s wild to me that he would say he didn’t think about how much the affair would hurt his family. It’s like pure selfishness.
Wow, I’m early! My win for the week: I have a job interview and a language proficiency interview for another potential job (the role requires both English and French) lined up for next week!
That’s so exciting! Good luck with both interviews, go crush them! 🎉🙌🏻
@@BHaney thanks so much!
New York law doesn’t allow a landlord to summarily eject a tenant because the person was having an affair. I believe (not absolutely certain) that even if the owner was letting the family stay there free as a favor to the church, it still would have taken reasonable notice, probably a month’s, to legally force them out. If there was a lease and rent involved, they would be entitled to damages from the owner for being forced out.
Also, the word “disgraced” has a commonly understood definition which is independent of theological concepts about grace.
The "disgraced" rant was so stupid. You are right, he is deliberately missing the commonly used definition of the word "disgraced" in order to have a preacher moment. He really thought he did something there 🙄
I am listening while i reorganize my pantry! We just installed the shelf inserts that allow the drawer option, since our pantry cabinet is so deep. That is my WFTW, though I bought the shelves in Feb or March!
Also, the 2nd trimester "nesting" is super real - i couldn't stop organizing and cleaning for the entire rest of my pregnancy once i hit the 2nd trimester. It's very accomplishing, but also can be stressful if you think of needing to get it done before baby arrives. Pacing oneself is essential!
Ahh those shelf inserts sound amazing!! I hope your reorganization was satisfying! 🙌🏻
The nesting urge hit me real hard and it’s taken some self control not to steam clean all our hard surfaces every weekend 😭 definitely trying to feel organized before I get too big while also remembering to pace myself!
Listening at the gym. My win for the week is that I got to spend one night at my parents house and walked their dog twice. I love that little guy and wish I could steal him 😭😭
That’s so nice! I’m sure he loved all the extra attention from you 🥰
I watched the doc! And he annoyed me because all he did was explain why he was the victim. He didn't take accountability he was very defensive I also watched another Doc about hillsong at the time I watched his and to me he sounded like the leader of hillsong. I would really love your thoughts after you watch the doc if you do because coming from that to this it sounds like he's trying to spin it. The doc gave him AAAAAALOOOOT of room and that's why people don't trust him because he came off in the doc. But I can say that he looked worse because hillsong was being exposed and he sounded like he was pushing a "I'm the REAL victim here."
Also saying "it's my fault, but they lied about me" everything before the but doesn't matter
Lastly. Can we stop saying long term affairs are "mistakes" you made a choice and continued to make it and had no intention of stopping until everything blew up
Ooooh ok I have to watch it now!
@@BHaney Yay! Even if you don't make a whole video I would really love your thoughts. I had to make a new channel but I've followed you since your WOACB video and as someone who has left the church I've leaned on your channel ALOT during my own deconstructing and I've told you before but you are one of the people that has made me say "not all christians...lalala" When I think about how Jesus wants Christians to operate in love and integrity you always come to mind. I know I don't know you personally but I genuinely believe you live WWJD. I don't know how that feels coming from an atheist but I find myself hoping you know that so I figured I'd tell you
Our second granddaughter of the summer was born last week and I am so thankful to God that both little ones are strong and healthy and just beautiful!
I also wish he’d ‘let’ his wife speak more other than just saying how great they are now & agreeing with him.
As soon as he said my scandal didn’t make the other liars come out I felt like a lot of this was lip service & an attempt to rebrand like I was debating in 1st comment. Did OTHER scandals before yours cause YOU to be honest?? No, they didn’t. Come oooon! He thinks he’s the smoothest talker but it’s easier to see through. I hope he grew & worked on himself but I have to wonder if he rly changed. Maybe he wouldn’t cheat & that’s good but when you make a mistake talking about everyone else’s isn’t the point. We all know there’s other ppl cheating. We’re talking about YOU.
Whoo hoo! Love it when a new episode from you drops!
Thank you! I hope you enjoy this one ☺️
Win for this week is celebrating 2 years married to my husband. My life gets sweeter and sweeter as the days go by with him ❤
11:57 Well said ma’am! And 42:40 holy cow, incredibly well said. I also appreciate you saying this is just a listening video because I’ve been cleaning my car out while listening and that’s also my win for the week! I had to find my phone to post that second timestamp though because wow, that was a great point! Truly.
I’m with you, this was a mixed bag. I’m glad they did separate therapy and together but I’m a little wary that they’re going to bring on their own therapist on? And there seemed to be some premature optimism that everything is going to end up great for their kids and their relationship is better than ever when it actually hasn’t been long enough to know that yet. Time will tell.
Premature optimism is a spot on way to describe it! They’ve done work on themselves and their marriage no doubt, but that was mostly in private. Bringing their relationship back into the spotlight is a totally different thing.
Really liked a lot of what they said and understand why it took so long to say it. But it makes me very uncomfortable that he's starting a new ministry already.
IDK I’m unsure about if he’s changed. I hope he has, I hope HE has gotten therapy & maybe w/ his wife too. I agree B, you DID know if it came out it would burn your life down & idk if that was part of the rush or you thought you wouldn’t get caught but your choices lost your job, your wives job, you housing, financial security & the safety/ privacy for ALL of them. You were posted all over tabloids & a doc was made that continued to affect them which, I don’t think is right either. You broke your wife’s heart & humiliated innocent bystanders. Kids had to go to school knowing all that about their family. I pray they got permission from their daughter to talk about her mental health!! I watched the doc years ago & remember some, mainly about the affair w/ the girl in NYC & how they weren’t paying tons of employees. I hope he’s changed for his family & ESPECIALLY if he’s going to open a new church. He shouldn’t do that if he can’t be an honest, quality leader to the best of his ability & if he can’t treat ppl that work there all the same- as they’re all equal to God. You’re not a celeb cuz you run a church. I can’t stand when church leaders act like God himself. IMO that’s so not what God would want. He was a smooth talking pastor so it’s hard to know what’s lip service & authentic but I truly hope his family has & keeps healing. If you’re gonna be a pastor, look within first. Humans aren’t perfect but it gets exhausting & honestly, sad to see how many big ones are so corrupt & immoral. Maybe let women lead too….😒
Great they are together but doesn't negate the harm that was caused to lots of people.
These pastors just cannot stay out of the limelight. They can be forgiven but doesn't mean they should continue to be platformed!
im SO glad u are exploring this topic. It is very important. 🎉❤
I would love to see you cover Stovall Weems and the situation surrounding Celebration megachurch in Jacksonville, I was a part of that church in college and Stovall (the church founder) has since been removed as head pastor for allegations of fraud but is starting an online ministry
Win for the week:
I had three host shifts and one floater shift this week at work, so I got a lot of hours compared to my deep cleaning shifts, and now that it's the weekend I actually have the motivation to clean my own house. My kitchen is starting to look amazing.
When the recent mica & JP Miller story recently came out, I was so reminded of Carl Lentz. I keep asking myself what differentiates them in the “corrupt pastor” category and for multiple reasons I forgive and believe Carl so much more than JP Miller. I think there is legit evil lurking in JP and I think he is rotten and a liar. We are all sinners and we all fall short but pastors need to uphold an authentic level of lifestyle congruence between what they preach and what they live. I respect Carl and I do believe that he has learned and grown from the sins of his past. I watched both docu-series on the Hillsong scandals and I enjoyed them both. Thanks again B for sharing your thoughts and perspectives ❤
I agree, JP is on a completely different level! Carl was a crappy husband and a liar, but JP seems malicious. I feel so badly for everyone who has had to deal with his dramatics.
I love your win for the week. It’s so satisfying to clean a drawer or closet or room out and get rid of clutter. I have a bit of declutterig I’m doing today. It’s not finished so it’s not quite a win for the week yet
Definitely satisfying…it makes me want to clean out the whole house 😂 have fun with your decluttering!
I can’t believe after this episode they’ve done two more since where they’ve interviewed their kids and another where they’ve discussed their “intimacy” since. Good lord……..😬
Yikes on bikes 👀 I think his youngest child is 15 so I believe they can definitely make the choice to speak publicly about this if they want to, I just hope it really was their choice and they didn’t feel obligated to do so.
My WftW: I had an apprenticeship interview the other day and next week I know if I got it or not. I am also very active in general wich was a problem a few years ago. So I am very proud of staying active and being good to myself. 😊
I feel a little torn in this situation. Like you said, a lot of the things he is saying are the things I would like to hear from someone who needs to take accountability but as long as it stays so vague, it is not getting to the point of 100% openess, honesty etc.
Kinda on the fence on this one. It's not a complete trainwreck, but it's also not fully there yet.
Those are great wins!! Hoping you get good news next week 🎉🙌🏻
And same. I am basically in the middle with this one. I feel like we need to see where he goes from here now that he is putting himself back in the public eye.
My win for the week is that I graduated with my Master of Arts in Theology and Culture: Community Development!
I think you are right when you said he is saying all the right things but it doesn’t feel sincere without being specific about it. As a parent when I have my children apologize, they have to say exactly what they did wrong. Anything less is avoiding responsibility for what was done. Also not a fan of how often he said how hard it was for him and how much he hurt watching those around him rather than speaking on the hurt he caused and how hard it must be for them.
That part about his oldest daughter and her mental health crisis honestly made me so livid to hear. I hope he got her permission to share that but honestly even if he did he should have just left it out in my opinion. It came across as sympathy bait. If he truly is so focused on being a better dad then he needs to do a better job protecting his kids. But he just comes across as having to make it all about himself.
My win for the week is choosing myself ❤
Always a great choice💛
Win for the week is finally got organized for my new job!!!
Yay!! I hope you love it 💛
Please do more Episode on this topic
Win for the week I thrifted the exact skirt I’ve been after today :)
Yay!! 🎉
My Win For The Week:
Finding quiet time for myself n in a House of eight
And I agree that for such a high profile person, you can't just walk away from this.
I mean I'm happy that they seem to have worked things out and that they are sharing their story.
I’m glad you got some quiet time!!
And same, I’m glad they’re deciding to share their story. Definitely interested to see what else they share publicly!
This came up in my recommended and I really want to watch it and have been wanting to watch Carls videos. But I have my own trauma from going to Hillsong College that idk if I’m ready for it, despite it being 15 years. Good for you covering this. I have a massive issue with the whole forgiveness thing in Christianity. I feel like people ab_se Gods grace because they know He will forgive them. But what about being an active person in church, whether in leadership or not, and being se_ually immoral. Christian’s also seem to bible pick what suits their narrative. Divorce is encouraged and a biblical reason for adultery.
B you are looking so pretty in this video 🤩 look at you and your little pregnancy glow
The face framing highlights is gorg on you!
Thank you! ☺️
My WFtW: I am slowly reconnecting with my mother. I went no contact for a few years and we have started speaking again. Trying to make conversation etc. It'll never be fuzzy and warm but things are looking up 💙
Nah, sorry he's full of 💩 He can spare me with the "falling into grace" bit too. I am so tired of the spiritual bypassing. I do question how on earth the wife could stay with someone who allegedly took advantage of a woman the way he did. Good luck to them, I'm sure they'll be fine.
My win: some real headway made this week in our work to finish renovating and move out of our house!
You know, there are some important things that make up an apology: be specific, take TRUE accountability, and give steps on how you will avoid making the same mistake/actions in the future. ‘I’m sorry I went into overtime without permission. It was my responsibility to pay attention to my hours and contact you for approval for OT. Next time I know I have a busy week, I will double check my estimated hours on Monday and contact you if I think I might end up in OT.’
all I have are work examples on my mind lol
I grew up with examples of adults who NEVER apologized, refused to admit they were wrong, just- to this day, never have the word’s I’m sorry crossed my mother’s mouth that I can remember. I had to learn how to do this. And it is HARD to apologize, especially when you aren’t used to it. But taking the time to learn is so, so important.
Long time listener, first win for the week: my wife and I are getting a cavapoo for our daughter tomorrow. She loves her, and is playing with her toys already… she’s 20 months old, so she knows but she doesn’t know.
I won’t say anything mean about Carl, but I don’t think he needs to grow another church. From a nonbelievers perspective.
I started listening to the podcast. In the documentary Laura talks about a time she walked in on him and the nanny but then it seems her body just shut down. Also, there are multiple creditable allegations of abuse. Do they address it in the podcast? If not, I can’t listen anymore to protect my emotional health. The glossing over the truth and Carl acting like he “made a mistake” is too common in church spaces and I can’t anymore
33:40 I get that kicking them out when they have kids there is tough but when you make decisions for yourself and your family’s safety and security based on the generosity of others, you DO NOT get to be upset when that generosity is rescinded. He should not have placed his family in a such a vulnerable position (depending on the generosity of the very people he was deceiving). He is entirely at fault. It is so entitled of people to think that just because they have kids and just because they’re religious or a pastor that they can depend on taking things from people for free to get by. It is the parents JOB to protect and make responsible choices for/regarding their children.
Yeah. No this is more of the same he comes of very self centered and self obsessed.
My win for the week is its raining here in Tucson! We really needed a break from the heat!
I also finally cut my hair! The pixie cut is back and im feeling very gender affirmed
You’re so lucky! It’s just hot and humid so far in Phoenix.
And congrats on your haircut!! I’m glad you got a style that you like and makes you feel good 🙌🏻🎉
King David committed adultery and coveted it up with a murder,I see a repentant heart in Carl,the same heart of David,I’m glad he is public in his remorse,it gives hope to those who’ve fallen into sin and truly are sorry .god restores,he forgives,he heals.
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Im about 40 minutes in, and I am having a lot of trouble listening to this man. I DO feel sympathy for the kids, but I must work hard to feel any for Carl. I live in an urban area, and homelessness is rampant. Families, too. People I know. We try to help but cannot do much. There are a great many churches in town, and demographicly, the members are the sort who don't vote for safety nets. And now here's Carl. Different situation, but somehow, it's making me grind my teeth.
Edit: This one is a a DNF for me. It is appropriate that somebody be self centered when speaking of their personal struggles, but I can't get past my distaste for Carl.
Edit: Tried again to finish the video bc I like B. Couldn't. Also, my remark above is about Carl getting kicked out of an apartment. It's horrifying, but listening to how short the story was for him triggered me. This isn't a short part of a life story for many people.
Any story where you're "taking accountability" when you bring up "the liars" rubs me the wrong way. Seems like there's a lot of "y'all don't understand how hard the consequences of my bad behavior has been on me!" going on here.
I'm sure it was hard for him, but it feels really self-serving to focus on that primarily. Other people were hurt, so lets acknowledge them first.
My WftW is going to an art fair, splurging on a cool piece, and hanging it up in my apartment. 😊
Where there’s smoke there’s fire… I believe Leona.
Wftw: I was able to get all my thoughts out to a person dear to me who is moving far away. Feeling the peace I was missing
That’s really meaningful, I’m glad you got to have that conversation 💛
Win for the week: I had an interview with my company for a new position and I think it went well.
While I understand your thought process on "the kind of person who would cheat", etc. It's IMPORTANT to distinguish between consensual and non consensual relations. Just because someone has an affair absolutely does not mean one should assume they are also a predator who touches ppl non consensually. Not all sins are equal.
This is hard to listen to. He reminds me so much of my ex who kept trying to victimize himself in his infidelity. It is rough.
55:30 Being vague leads to assumptions, which is what they are trying to clear up... so I also hope they expound upon WHAT he's apologizing for. I doesn't have to be intricate details- BUT CONTEXT . So far, it has ebbed and flowed, but it's really feeling like he's fighting the old life he has to leave behind VS. the new life he's actively choosing to live going forward.
This has got to be difficult for him, as I've experienced a public rock bottom in my own that took me some SERIOUS daily dedication & a whole lot of pain to change... Although mine was something completely different AND I'm not a public figure!
I also see the other side where this seems like he's trying to portray a sense of humility, yet won't stop putting emphasis on 'how much he knows that it's HIS fault'. He mentions that a time or 19 😏...and parces words alot. So jury is still out.
Anyway, I am only halfway through. I should shut up. Hahaha
I finished your video, and honestly, with just that, he may or may not be in a healthier place mentally and doing all the things as a family and individually, but it just really bothered me and felt manipulative...he is practically begging for this new weird "badge of honor" of sorts & seemed to keep directing the entire episode to really say he was taking full accountability- all while being as vague as possible & just repeating the same thing.
I wish there was video so we could see their body language! That would be super telling.
I don't know these people, so I genuinely hope this is true and they are doing well. Would love for you to cover more.
Do you think it's possible he is missing that kind of "living on a pedestal" & admiration and is hoping to gain a big podcast following in order to fill that void?
I think many Christians are taught from an early age to keep their feelings at arm's length -- like not to connect with them very meaningfully. I was taught this, but I've tried to unlearn it because you can't process feelings in a healthy way when you do that. It sounded like Carl and Laura were doing that here, which makes a very emotional situation feel strangely sterile. Like laughing about keeping their kid in the psych ward longer. :(
Watch the documentary and the "Other Women" tells the whole story from her side.
I think it's really interesting that they both went to therapists of the opposite gender
I think a bigger problem is the culture of hillsong. And this culture helped carl lentz to do this things and tell this lies. He did this on his own.
My heart broke for his daughter. 💔 no teenager girl should go througt this stuff in public eye.
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I do not get a good feeling from this guy
they both sound like first and foremost they are trying to convince themselves how they did the work, went to therapy and are supposedly stronger now... i feel bad for their kids, the part about getting kicked out from a flat overnight??? i understand they are talking about their experience but it's too much of 'me! listen how i was hurt!' and not enough 'i deceived people who went to our church, almost destroyed a marriage and caused our kids unnecessary pain'. they are talking in circles... this podcast isn't doing them any favors
the way they don't outright dismiss but still deny claims of the nanny??? that's weird, that's suspicous... i hope she is better now. i don't see how she had anything to gain from coming forward. i believe her. men like carl love power and hate accountability
It’s giving politician 🥱