Have a 2014 Sorento with 2.2 turbo disel CRDI. Consuming 1 litre every 2000 miles. Currently, monitoring the consumption and I am going to send it to service centre for compression test. Does anyone has the similar problem? Any suggestion is appreciated.
@@FletcherEldridge You are very welcome. This underhanded stuff that's being done by car lots, major brands I might add, needs to be brought out into the open. We consumers need to be aware of these issues. So if anyone has any info to help this person, please post.
Thanks for the info! I got my Kia at 69,000 miles and now have 112,000, and my man (who is a mechanic!) didnt believe me when I told him I had to keep adding oil between changes. So, we both kept track and sure enough, oil is just disappearing! Never once was there any sign that it was a leak and I've never smelled oil burning to this day. Last month, it ended up doing that weird power loss thing like you are saying, and one day it just wouldn't drive over 11 mph! Put a brand new cat (1500$ later) and it left the shop with check engine light on, turned around to bring it back and the light went off. So, next day mechanic calls asking about the car, which I told my man that has never happened, and it makes me believe that even the mechanic was unsure if he fixed the issues. I would not recommend a Kia either! Thanks for the info man!
You are very welcome. Something else that you could try is to change the PCV valve. That's what we did and are hoping that it helps. A lot of people says this is an issue with these cars and it helps in some cases, not all. I'll let you know if it helps us. But since it's less than $20 to replace, I would go ahead and replace it on your car.
KIA is inspecting my car cos its out of warranty and I got Fvcked with a seized engine since oil was bone dry and I do all my oil changes..... FVVCKKKKK KIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $8500 seized engine!!!!!!!! They are investigating and first good will fix was denied and now my case is escalated!
They need ANOTHER CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT ON THIS OUL CONSUMPTION MAJOR ISSUE!!!!! I never had a seized engine in all the years I drove and KIA OIL CONSUMPTION ISSUE HAS SEIZED MY ENGINE! I have no transportation now and need to get to WORK!!!! I HATE YOU KIA!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 2014 Kia Sportage that started using oil at 80,000 miles. I wracked my brain trying to figure out where the oil was going cause it smoked vey little. Only when I gave it a lot of gas. It was using over a quart every 1000 miles and getting worse. I noticed it wasnt like any other car I ever had that burned oil because of bad rings or valve seals. The car still had lots of power and great MPG around 30 combined driving. The engine is a 2.4L. It had to be the oil rings either clogged with carbon or stuck. I soaked the rings with Sea Foam after I watched a video of a guy doing it. After that I changed the oil filter. Plus I added 5 ounces of Sea Foam to the oil. I then drove the car on an open road with little traffic by dropping the transmission into a lower gear and getting it up to 4000-5000 rpms then letting off the gas letting the engine brake the car. I kept doing this vigorously for maybe 2-3 miles. I drove back home checked the oil level which was on full and after driving now for 1200 miles it hasnt used a drop. Now you tell me what fixed it because I dont know which of the 2 that did or if the 2 things combined fixed it but I am still in shock and very happy. The car has 154,000 miles on it.
That's awesome that it's fixed. I really don't know what fixed it though. The issue with my engine is the direct injection and the low quality rings used, from what I can see from research. As long as I change my oil at about 1,200 to 1,500 miles (or when I start to use oil after the oil change) things are great. But if I just add the oil and keep driving, till my 3500 mile oil change, it will keep burning oil. And the longer it goes until the oil is changed, the more oil it burns. Yes, it sounds to me like the rings are gunked up, but I'm told this is only a temporary fix (in my situation). We just keep changing the oil as soon as we see it start to burn/use oil (at about 1,200 to 1,500 miles). With the fresh, new oil, it stops burning oil (for a while). Bottom line for me is these engines are junk. And it's a shame too because they run so good. I love the snappy acceleration, and the power for a small 4cly.
@HayesTech Yes I love the rest of the car. It's made well, has a great paint job and clear coat that even Toyota and Hondas don't match. Only other thing that has gone wrong is the AC compressor failed at about 100,000 miles. Other than figuring out what the oil problem was and the AC it's been great!
Wow...this man is right on...I have a 2019 kia soul with 70000 miles and I just changed the oil and 2 weeks later I had to put 2 quarts of oil in my kia....I'm sure getting rid of this rat 🐀 box and sticking to my FORD..
Yes, we bought a brand new Kia Soul in 2015. Now it has about 80k on it. Last year, they had to replace the knock sensor three times - in the same year! When the knock sensor goes bad, the car goes in a limp mode and cannot even climb a hill. We had to have it towed to the dealer three times. They warned us that the oil was low (didn't tell us Kai had issues burning oil) and the problem with the knock sensor was related to low oil. Now we have to add oil practically every time we fill up with gas, might as well be driving a two-stroke engine car! I am originally from Turkey - my dad had 5 Turkish built cars, since I've moved to the States, I (and my wife) have had 10 cars (other than the Kia) and among these 15 cars, we have not had to put a drop of oil in the cars in between oil changes.
Yep. These cars are complete junk. We actually do an oil change as soon as we start using oil (between 1000 to 1500 miles). It's a complete waist to me but I can't afford to get another car right now. So we have to go above and beyond to make sure we don't ruin the engine in this one.
Same MY KIA ENGINE IS SEIZED and im dealing with this issue... We need to sue them... My ENGINE IS SHOT and I owned 93 Grand ams and never loss oil as well as many other cars I owned!
Hey Randy......Thanks for the Kia info ! ( I am a guitar-player in Camas, Washington by the way ); we have 2016 Kia Soul with the 2.0 engine; had started using a little oil about....30k & then went on to use more ( note: used original 5w-20 ) up until about 85k miles; when i switched to using....5w-30. Now has about 105k and oil use is DOWN to about 1/2 quart about every 2,000 miles or so. Changing every 5k miles as always & using the Costco / Full synthetic & WIX filters. By the way.....The change to the 5w-30 is shown in the owner's manual as ...OK. No change in performance & maybe only a slight change in MPG. Kind regards, jeffrie / Camas, WA
Second owner of a 2018 KIA Optima SXL! I’ve driven it for seventeen (17) months and it has 66,000 miles on it! Haven’t had a problem out of it! Doesn’t use any oil between 5,000 miles oil change! I drive it on the highway every weekend on a 70 mile round trip! Gas mileage has improved from EPA CITY 22 mpg to 24 mpg! (highest 28.4 mod)! Highway 32 mpg to 34 mph (highest 35.8 mpg) I know it’s still early! Anything can happen! So far I’m very pleased with my KIA! Last December I took a picture of my KIA in front of the plant where it was built in West Point, Georgia!
@@HayesTech - I’m the second owner! KIA has extended the warranty on the engine to 125,000 miles (66,000 now).! They recalled the vehicle to update the software so if there’s an engine problem the vehicle will slowdown and finally stop! To protect the engine! The vehicle will need to be towed!
@@jerryclark1070 Good for you. At least they are treating you right. Finally, a happy story. Well, good luck to you and I wish you the best of luck with your purchase.
Thank you for your video ! We have the same problem. We have a Kia sorento it has 86,000 miles and it don’t go farther than about 600 miles without losing a quart of oil. It’s so frustrating!! We’ve been told the same thing from the dealership!! I’d get rid of it but it’s paid off and I don’t want another car payment. But … I hope nothing major happens. Thanks again for the video
@@carmenlapham6507 I completely understand having no car payment. But honestly, If it were me, I would get rid of it while it's still in good running condition. But I completely get what you're saying and the way our economy is right now you just want to not get another monthly payment. We actually started changing our oil and filter every time the oil started to get used (past 1 quart about 1000 to 1200 miles). We noticed that after about 6 to 8 months later our car goes longer without the oil change. So what that's telling me if that the oil rings are the corporate. And since we started this at an earlier (rather than later) onset, that we now can go almost the entire 3500 miles between oil changes without using more than about 1/2 a quart of oil. I'm not sure how long it will last this way (oil rings clean again) but as soon as it's paid for (in another couple months) we will be getting rid of it.
@@carmenlapham6507 If it were me, I would trade it in while it's running and I'm good shape. I've seen a lot of people saying "change the PCV valve". And that should be your first try, to fix this issue. But I've found, on our car and it's engine, that changing out the PCV valve, had no effect on the oil issue. Again, that was with our Kia Soul and it's engine. I'm not sure which engine is in your car. I would definitely change out that PCV valve first. But if that doesn't fix it, I honestly would trade it in while it's still running good.
I would use 5w 30 oil in it. The owners manual should say it is OK. I believe this will slow down the wear on the engine. Also replace the PVC valve, these are easy to change and inexpensive.
Already changed the PCV valve, at around 85,000 miles. Now that it's warming up I was thinking about switching to 10w-30 too. I've also seen that info and was researching into it. Thank you for mentioning that though. I don't think that was discussed in here yet so it's good to post info such as yours for others.
@@beastumfan No., unfortunately. And I actually had high hopes for it to work. No, what we do now, so then engine will last till it's paid off, is change the oil once it starts using oil. A fresh oil change and filter will give us about 1,200 to 1,500 miles before it starts using oil. And once it starts, it quickly reverts back to using massive oil (about 1/2 quart per 200 miles).
I have same problem and dealer gives me same line. Also, the mileage in town is awful. To add to this, are paint on our 2018 Kia Soul is starting to peel. You are right on!
Most manufacturers state that oil consumption can be as much as 1qt every 800-1000 miles. That being said, Hyundai / Kia direct injection (GDI) engines have a real problem with oil dilution. The result of oil diluted with fuel is that the oil loses its viscosity and critical components begin to prematurely wear because of lack of lubrication. The engine clearances in turn increase and then your oil consumption begins to increase. Long engine life is not a thing with these GDI engines.
Oh, I understand why the oil is low and where it's going. That's why I'll never own another car with a GDI engine. And I'll never own another Kia because they won't back their product. Thanks for the comment and you are very right....
Our 2013 Kia Optima blew up at 89k miles. Regular maintenance on it was done and within the factory guide lines. Kia gave us the run around at first, but replaced the engine block and other damaged components under warranty, even giving us a loaner free of charge. At 92k miles the transmission went, and they wouldn't budge to help us under the factory warranty. We purchased a extended warranty when we bought the car though, and that covered most of cost to replace the transmission with a used transmission. In the end we traded it in and bought a brand new Mitsubishi. My brother traded his Hyundai Sonata in after that for a new Toyota. I know someone else who had transmission problems with their Hyundai. They filed a lemon law claim because Hyundai refused to honor the warranty. All cars were brand new with regular maintenance. Bottom line after purchasing 8 brand new Hyundai/Kia's and going through that none of us will be buying them ever again. They used to be decent cars, and they stood behind them. That isn't the case anymore. Leaving my wife stranded in the middle of no where with a blown up engine with our son in the dead heat of summer and no ac was not fun. Never again.
Yep. We are fine with Kia too. And I am going to use my UA-cam platform to make sure I get this out to the public. The more this video gets shared and the more people see it, the more people this video will help. Thank you so much for watching, but most important, thank you for sharing your issues with us too. I may even pin your comment so more people can see it
Oh, I agree and they need to include that in the buying information. If people knew about this, they wouldn't purchase them. We would move on to a car that doesn't use excessive oil.
@@HayesTech My Sportage used an unbelievable amount of oil. While it wasn’t the norm according to the owners manual, it appears to be the brand norm. Getting a new engine also seems to be the norm. At least they were good about it.
Kia has known about oil consumption issue for some time. They released a technical service bulletin No 222 in Dec 2020. We have a 2015 Sorento with 2.4 engine just over 94,000 mile. Bought new. South Florida car the whole time. Normal mixed highway and around town. Regular oil changes very 5k. No leaks. Oil consumption started back around 80k. Adding oil between oil changes and now measuring the rate. I think it’s at least a couple quarts between oil changes. Oil changes are few at dealer and the rest DIY With quality synthetic 5w-30 and high quality filter or OEM filter. Changed PCV recently and did not seem to do anything to slow the oil consumption. Next step is maybe dealer and TSB. Will not keep this though or buy another. Honda with 140k, Toyota with 167k. Had two Mazda MPV withe over 130k. NONE of these had any oil consumption. It is not normal for engines to consume oil. It’s a symptom that something is wrong. If it was normal it would consume oil from factory.
I have the exact same Kia Soul with the same problem. Oil started to burn around 80k & fortunate for me, I was able to get a new engine right at 99k miles. I took it to a Kia dealership and had them perform tests on it (had to come back a few times for these tests-even when it went over 100k). I also had to call the 1-800 Kia customer service # and was firm on getting this issue fixed. A new engine (top portion of it-not complete) was ordered and the car was at the dealership for about 30 hours for the replacement. I recommend taking your car to a different Kia dealer and also calling the customer service number. The dealer I went to was not the one I bought the car from. My car is at 152k miles right now and I will never buy a Kia again.
I am so pissed with Kia I don't want to talk to them any further. But you are right and I should contact Kia directly. Maybe I will. But I am done with them for purchasing cars. I will never own another Kia... Ever..
@@tasha8902 I feel for you and know exactly what you mean. Just last night, on my wife's way home from work, the oil light came on again. I checked and it was almost 1 quart low again. We just had the oil changed 1000 miles so. So this issue is getting worse. We have less than 10,000 miles to go until the warranty is done too. But to them, this is normal. Never again.. Kia makes trash for cars. I wish you the best and let me know how it works out for you.
We bought a 2016 forte ex with 52k 2 years ago. It now has 80k. About a year ago we received a note from a lawfirm stating there was a class action suit against Kia for oil burning and 1 other issue. A KSDS update is mandatory for the extended warranty to cover the issue. Kia does know and it's not normal. We had the update done and ours is starting to use oil. But at least we're covered if the engine goes out.
Yes, we were never told about any updates, form Kia or the Kia dealership. Our car has over 100, 000 miles now so we are not covered. I am going to pin this comment though. Just in case others, who still can, has the information to follow.
@@HayesTech The way I understand it as long as the engine class and model fit in the framework of the lawsuit all you have to do is take it to the dealership and request the KSDS update and it’s covered by the warranty mentioned in the lawsuit.
Wow we have same issue with a Hyundai Tuscan had all work done at dealer .. so it would be covered with the manufacturing warrantee, says 7500 oil change but no oil for oil change ... but now to late motor is nocking and they say it was not covered because we did not maintain it .. we should have known it would loose oil, never told us when we had it served by dealer ... never had it with a ford in my life. Thank you for putting this out.
So sorry to hear that. Yep, they get you any way they can. I check our oil, in all the cars, because I'm used to doing it. But others might not be. You shouldn't have to check your oil more than once or twice between oil changes anyways.
Agree, we have a 2018 Kia Sportage and I have to constantly keep adding oil every 2 weeks. 85k miles. The Hyundai and Kia engines have a design flaw that burns oil back in the crankcase. We will never buy another Kia or even a Hyundai!
@@DanielCastillo-yw3ih I've found a way to (temporarily) clean the oil rings. Change your oil as soon as you use a quart of oil. It will take 6 or 7, or more , changes, but it will eventually clean out the oil rings. It's not a permanent fix though. It will slowly get back to burning oil, massively, again. Bottom line, stay away from Kia and Hyundai DEI engines. I'm done with Kia and will never be able to trust them again.
My Kia was killed in action as the engine seized from bone dry oil and I kept up with every oil change I am so pissed right now and going through it with Kia
To be fair my sister had a kia soul with the very same issue. Was actually a very common one. Where the oil goes is actually the transmission and causes issues there. Horrid design by KIA
@@calbee1163 You should change out the PCV valve when needed and in small numbers that helped. This should be the first thing you try. But in most cases it's actually the oil rings, on your pistons, that get plugged up and no longer work. I'm that case, changing the PCV valve will have no effect. With that said... I did start changing out the oil and filter as soon as we noticed 1 quart of oil lose (at @ 1,000 to 1,200 miles). After several oil changes, my best guess would be about 10 oil changes, we noticed a marked improvement. Her car is now going 3,500 miles with only about 1/2 quart oil lose. I don't know how long this will hold out until we have to do it again though. We always change our oil at 3,500 mile intervals. Always. The bottom line is that this engine design has major issues. Just please be careful and check you oil regularly.
I have owned Ford, Chevrolet, GMC, over the years all had over 250,000 miles when I traded them in, at that point, all went 8,000 miles between oil change with no oil usage. Thanks for the KIA information. Maybe they need to find another business to run or not.
2017 Cadenza with excessive oil consumption - Greater than 1 quart loss per 1K miles began at 65K miles. Original owner. The 'oil can with a drip' on your dash is your OIL PRESSURE warning, it doesn't warn of low oil! DO CHECK your oil stick (cold engine) every week. It only takes 1-minute. My oil was 5.5 quarts low before there was any indication I had a problem. CHECK YOUR DIP STICK EVERY WEEK! If the engine is starved of oil, it'll seize up, and you can't fix that.
Yoou are very correct. I never wait for the oil pressure light to come on. It's too late if your waiting for that light. We have an alarm set for checking the oil once a week. Once it gets to the point where we are using a quart in 1 week, I have the oil changed (about 1000 to 1500 miles). Bottom line is these engines are total junk.
Guys, let me suggest something. Change your oil and don't run synthetic go back to regular petroleum base, if you can find it. Everyone is sold on synthetic and it's great but not in a KIA. KIA engineers in their infinite wisdom are using low tension oil rings. There's a couple of reasons for this, less friction means less heat build up and better gas mileage. In theory that works, in application, not so much. Synthetic oil is much better at lubricating because it will penetrate every crack and crevice. Like I said in theory that's great. In practice it also gets by the little way to thin oil and compression rings. I own my fourth KIA Soul and this last one has just started using oil at 53.000 miles. It didn't use a drop until a year ago. I have always changed my oil and filter myself, mostly because I don't trust anyone else to do it. Because of health reasons I can no longer do that. My car has always had one major brand oil in it and changes have been religiously done. Not long after we started having it done it started using oil. I checked and it has been changed to synthetic, everyone has gone to it and it's hard to find standard engine oil. Right now KIA is working with me to determine if a warranty is justified. I will change it back to standard as soon as they determine if they will replace the engine or not. KIA engineers need to admit they are wrong and put a decent set of rings in these engines. The engine design is great, there's nothing wrong with it. Remember engineers are not the most brilliant people in the world. They are the ones that for 30 years insisted that rubber timing belts were the way to go, by the way if you don't change those religiously at 60,000 miles, you will destroy the engine if it breaks, now everyone is back to building engines with timing chains. Try it, it will only cost you an oil change. It should work if it's not been using oil long.
Thats great advice and it totally makes sense too. My only issue is that my Nissan has over 100k and it's still not using a drop oil. I have to make concessions for the Kia, so it will last till we dump it.. But this just tells me that this thing is junk.
So I always used regular oil then Kia changed to synthetic during my last oil change which was my oil consumption test without telling me😠. Who is working with you, KIA or KIA dealership? I just spoke with Kia consumer hotline and they are escalating my case. So ill see what happens. My dealership is pissed!!!!!
@@denisemartin3603 The dealership has helped. they changed the oil to 5W30 and so far it has not used any. The problem with synthetic oil is that it is a great lubricant. Those same properties that allow it to lubricate so well allow it to seep by the rings. Especially since KIA seems to be running lower tension rings at least in their non-turbo engines. I have found a supplier for standard oil in 5W20 and will change back to that next oil change. I never had this problem with standard engine oil. I know it's not as fantastic as synthetic, but I normally change my oil at 4,000 miles so I am not worried, that has always worked for me.
my dad switched the from synthetic to conventional bc the engine kept eating it up and it does seem to last longer. I also get my oil changed b4 the suggested time as well
A lot of your issues is that it is a gdi engine. The fuel is injected directly into the cylinder which causes a few issues. Your valves get dirty because the gasoline doesn't clean them. Because it is injected directly into the cylinder, it has to be injected at a higher pressure. The gasoline washes down oil in the cylinder and causes the compression rings to wear more which causes more oil to burn and the oil to become diluted. As more miles are put on the oil becomes more diluted and vaporizes easier and starts to leave through your PCV system. This is why the oil usage slows when you do an oil change. Unfortunately the oil usage occurs with any gdi engine regardless of manufacturer. I bought a 2023 Kia Soul but Kia went back to multi port fuel injection on my engine or I would not have bought it. Unfortunately there are very few transmission options on new vehicles. I of course would rather have a 6 speed automatic transmission or even a 6 speed manual. I must say though, we took a 350 mile round trip and I averaged 44 mpg with the AC on! Also,at my old job we had purchased 3 trucks with Cummins engine that were powered by CNG. Each of the trucks used 1 gallon of engine oil each day with an average of 8 hours running. Cummins said that was normal !!!!!
@@wildbill6366 I'm glad to see that they fixed it going forward. Too bad there are so many of us dealing with the old engine and it's massive oil use. If they would step up and take care of this issue, with a recall, I would actually consider purchasing Kia vehicles once again. Thanks for the comment and for watching.
We bought our 2016 Kia Forte in September of 23, it's now May of 24, and it was using about 1 qt of oil every 500 miles. The car was out of warranty. So this is how I fixed it: I pulled the coil packs and plugs out and then sprayed Seafoam into the cylinders and let it sit overnight. The next day I cranked the motor just a bit to move the pistons. I had some left over PB Blaster so I put that into the cylinders too. I let that sit for 2-3 days. I cranked the motor a bit to push the fluid out of the cylinders, then I put the coils/plugs back in and drove it pretty hard for about 10-15 minutes. I changed the oil and filter then I put about 300 miles on it and the oil is still at the top of the dipstick. I think the PB Blaster (it's a penetrant) got into the piston rings and freed them up. I did a compression test on all 4 cylinders, readings were around 170 psi, 110 is the minimum. Mileage has improved by 3-4 MPG too. I've heard that Berrymans does a good job as well. This is a job the average shade tree mechanic can do. I check the oil in my cars every month. If you notice oil usage. Do the soak on a weekend. Pull the plugs Friday after work and let it soak until Sunday.
That's great info. We just changed our oil every time it needed any (about 1000 miles or so) for almost a year. It's not using as much now. We are still getting rid of it after it's paid off, and will never get another Kia.
The problem with burning oil in kia cars is the pcv line...... Look at your car engine . Where this line go. This pcv line go from your engine valve cover to intake.. Intake is sucking oil from your valve cover When you drive. Then oil burns in cylinders. The intake is working as A vaccum is sucking air. Disconect pcv line from your intake.conect this line hose to OCC. Plug the intake with rubber cap with clamp. Install OCC with breather.. And you will never have The problem with your oil. Again . I did this way and dont have The problem with oil .for 30.000 miles. Before my kia Rio used 1 gallon oil every month. Plus burning oil will make the catalyc convertor dirty..same with 02 sensor fuel injector and spark plugs..
It will cost you 50.00 us. Buy OCC oil catch can with breather. 2-3 ft 3/8 Fuel line hose. plus clamps. Plug the intake with rubber cap with clamp. And you will drive with smile..
I used to work on heavy duty semi truck engines. Diesel engines. Like CAT C-15 ,Cummins N-14.Detroit diesel 60 series. This engines they are similar to cars engines. The diesel heavy duty engines. They have valve cover splash Cover with breather tube. This tube line goes from engine top cover to the ground.. If you put to much oil. The engine going to push out the oil by this tube..eveything going to ground on asphalt. . Why the kia made this way. Put pcv line and conect to intake. Car engine Dont need oil in cylinders to run. Only small engines like chainsaws needs mix oil +gasoline.. It is very Simple. Money . The problem starts when your car gets 50.000 Miles and up.Because this going to kill your engine parts. And you going spent A lot of money on parts..A lot of Money. . You going to be regular customer for dealer parts department and service department..😎😎😎.. . They know what they did it.. They are very smart... So you must be smarter ... It is easy to fix..
I feel for you. It sucks to spend this much on a car, to have it end up being junk, and there's not much you can do about it. I will never purchase another and as said in this video, I really hope this video goes viral so hopefully no one eles will make the mistake of purchasing a Kia.
Bought my daughter the same car. At about 100k the car was burning massive amounts of oil and started stalling on the road. Kia said there was nothing wrong with the engine but that the catalytic converter needed to be replaced. She took it to have the cat replaced and the mechanic said it melted inside. I'm convinced that something is wrong inside the engine because oil just doesn't burn without cause.
Yep. The issue is the design of these engines. The fuel is shot directly into the piston from the injectors. Not into the manifold, but directly into the cylinder it self. It's an issue they know about.
I had the same..it tooks me 2 years to find out. The problem is the pcv line. The pcv line go to intake. Intake is sucking oil from your valve cover When you drive. This the way oil get to cylinders. Burning oil makes more smog. This smog will kill your car catalyc convertor. . Dont trust any dealer mechanic. They dont care about customer. They cook s.... It cost me 2000.00 usd to find out. What is the problem with burning oil in kia.. I replaced catalyc convertor 3 Times in 1 year.plus more parts. You need to buy OCC . Oil catch can plus 3/8 2-3 ft fuel line hose plus clamps. . Disconect pcv line from your intake. Conect this line to OCC. Plug the intake with rubber cap with clamp.. It will cost you 50.00. And you will never have The problem with oil in your car engine again. The super brains from kia made this way because they can make more Money on selling parts..
@@Xgamerdad... No problem sir... I had this problem when the car had 60.000 miles. It cost me 2000 usd. Now got 97.000 and no problem with oil burning.
@@HayesTech im having same issue with my 2018 Kia soul!! 77k !! They did an oil consumption test at 1K and it burned 1/2 qt and said it was normal. 😡. I called hotline..still waiting. I talked to manager at my dealership and she said its normal per KIA. I take it in every month to have oil topped off even though they tell me i do nit need to top off oil. Should I let the engine burn up since under warranty? I hate this
@@denisemartin3603 no... If you let your engine to bad because the oil was too low, Kia will say it was good fault for not checking your oil. Your damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don't. And they know it.
I really got lucky with my 2013 Soul+ (2.0) with a manual transmission because it has the MPI engine and not the gdi. It has around 100k miles and has given me zero problems. I have the oil changed every 3-4k miles and check the level every couple weeks. It doesn't burn a drop. My friend has a 2014 and has had nothing but problems since it hit around 50k miles, burning oil, etc. Just a mess. An expensive mess.
"Vehicles nowadays are made to use oil." No, Kia, that's a lie. You just made defective engines. I have a 2006 Ford F-150 with 175,000 miles on it, and I've driven it hard. It uses less than half a quart of oil in 3000 miles, and that's mostly because it has a very slight leak. This is just sad, Kia.
Well, my Kia was getting every oil change up-to-date and somehow it was still going to bone dry and ended up seizing my engine without me even knowing it was bone dry as I just had it at the mechanic where they checked all my fluids and fix my timing belt But little did they tell me that my engine was bone dry with no oil
I just had to admit to myself, that my 2015 Kia soul is basically a two-stroke. I added at least 3 quarts of oil, between each oil change, which I do at 3000 miles. I should look into buying some expansion chambers for it, to get it to go faster.
@@chrisfrandsen4201 Lol... I never thought of it that way. I actually had some improvements with ours, but it was tedious to do. Basically we changed the oil and filter, as soon as it used a quart of oil. It took about 6 to 8 months but we noticed it was going longer and longer between oil changes until we were getting our normal 3500 miles between oil changes without more than a half quart loss. I don't know how long it's going to last but I'm hoping a few year or at least until we get rid of it before having it reverts back to using massive oil. Bottom line is these engines are trash. And they used cheap oil rings and other parts in these engines.
We have nearly identical circumstances and results. Just comp!eyed a 1,000 mi. oil consumption test. Hope we have better results when we go back to dealer.
I hope you do too. I'm not feeling too good about this issue getting fixed though. I had the PCV valve replaced and I'm going to post how that goes, here in the comments.
@@HayesTechAt least yours didnt go bone dry and seize your engine like it did for me and after it seized the entire oil pan split a crack where all the oil now spills out... Its at dealership as they are going back and forth with Kia dealership and Kia manufacturer...... and on top of that they extended the engine warranty for the 2.0 and 2.4L but since mine is 1.6 L they were giving me issues with the warranty and denied my goodwill fix from the dealership and now it's escalated through the manufacturer to see if they will override the denied goodwill fix and replace my engine.... Its their fault for this LEMON!
They need ANOTHER CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT ON THIS OUL CONSUMPTION MAJOR ISSUE!!!!! I never had a seized engine in all the years I drove and KIA OIL CONSUMPTION ISSUE HAS SEIZED MY ENGINE! I have no transportation now and need to get to WORK!!!! I HATE YOU KIA!!!!!!!!!!
If its normal, then why did it not do it brand new and through your 91,000 mile journey? Sounds like the PCV valve needs and a deep carbon cleaning may help?
@@porkchopz120 No. I have no way to do that. Not without removing major parts from the engine. And with me only having one usable side of my body, from my second stroke, doing it myself is out of the question.
@@HayesTech yea it’s quite labor intensive. You could try the CRC or equivalent intake valve cleaner sprays. Spray through intake tract after the MAF. It may help, but it most likely needs a deep carbon clean. Worth a shot
Thank you. I do appreciate you commenting. That's crazy how many people have had this issue. I can't believe this isn't a massive call back from Kia. We will never purchase another Kia.
Kia and hyundai are the same company. Ive had 3 sonatas, all of them with GDI motors, 2 of them the engine blew due to no oil and no oil light ever came on, my current 1 is burning 3-4 quarts every 600 miles and is back at the dealership as i type this. This is not normal!
Kia definitely needs to be sued for this oil consumption problem and this is ridiculous my engine is seized please someone make a class action lawsuit again on them
Working with dealerships I can tell you that they many use the cheapest they can purchase. Many dealerships do not use a quality product. They believe that The brand indicates quality. Unless you see the product opened and check the specs you can 't be sure what you are getting. I would send samples to our lab for analysis and would get phone calls saying it should not be used in a modern engine. . Let the buyer be ware
I have a 2013 kia soul with 155,000 miles. It burns about half a quart of oil per week. All I do is fill it up at the end of the week and keep it moving. Car is paid off and 2 quarts of oil cost about $10 per month. Everything else on the car works fine. I figure $10 expense cost less than a car payment. I have bundle of paper funnels and 2x5qt of oil in the truck.
That's awesome. And i completely agree that you can run these cars for a long, long time. But it shouldn't be this way. Not for what they cost. Good luck to you and like you, I'll be checking my oil regularly until it's paid off. Then I'll be getting something other than a Kia.
My GDI 2016 2.0 4 cylinder non turbo Kia forte with 140k on it is burning oil, I don't have the exact amount, but, at its worst before I started using "Restore" in it, in a week's worth of normal driving, it'd use at least half of the dipstick, usually more. The Restore, once set in after a few hundred miles, stopped or nearly stopped the oil burning. But it returned the other week. I added 2oz more of Restore and it stopped it for a few weeks. Added some more yesterday, and half a quart of 5w-30 instead of the usual 5w-20 specced oil. I may need to move to at LEAST 5w-30, but will more than likely go 5w-40 Shell Rotella since it's a great price at walmart here. I really got screwed on this car, I still have 3 years left paying on it... I can certainly limp it along with my know-how, but, it sucks. Probably will never go kia again, and will especially avoid GDI engines. My old 90s truck doesn't even use this much oil... I've ordered some Liqui Moly Motor Oil Saver on the off-chance it's the valve stem seals, and can try the CRC GDI Intake cleaning spray stuff too but if those don't fix it I think I'm just screwed. Just an average joe living check to check and wouldn't be able to afford an engine overhaul normally nonetheless with me still having a car payment on top of the problem currently lol. Changed the PCV and it didn't help. Car drives fine to me. I'm not a heavy footer though, I just go the speed limit. If I had known these problems inherent to GDI engines beforehand I would have never gotten this car. No check engine light either. I guess it wouldn't hurt to run a can of Berryman's B12 in the gas tank since it's so cheap or do a Seafoam treatment at some point but I've already done a few Gumout Regane high mileage treatments and it didn't fix stuff, even did a bottle of Redline SL-1 and it didn't stop stuff.
I would definitely change your PCV valve, if you haven't already. These Kia engines do use more oil then others, that's a fact, but using as much as mine was is way too much. After replacing my PCV valve is gone back to about 1/2 quart every 750 miles. I will keep my eye on this though and keep reporting back and posting here. Bottom line is this, don't purchase a Kia, at any price.
@@HayesTech thanks, unfortunately a new pcv didn’t work. We’re gonna try to get a new engine due to the recalls but I’m not holding my breath after seeing other people having hell getting them to warranty the engines. I think the best I can do is use a thicker oil and some additives and limp it along until it’s paid off and get rid of it
Change the PCV valve about every 60k miles, these engine create a lot of oil pressure and it often sprays into areas of the engine were it wouldn't normally be, I changed the valve and it was fine.
I will try that and see if it helps. But as for oil leaking out any where, there is none. I made sure the engine was clean, which it's always kept clean, and there isn't any oil anywhere. None. But I will change that out, it couldn't hurt. And again, the KIA shop is still telling us that engines today are designed to use oil. That's directly from KIA.. lol.. Anyways, thank you very much for this input. And I will be changing the PVC valve to make sure it's not that.
Yep my 2017 use's 1 Quart every 1000, miles ,the oil changing place I use told me that the car would really use oil and that was told to them about the kia how a car company can get away with this is really sad and as the old saying goes NOW buy American !!!!cost more but in the long run you will save money over any foreign car, and provide more jobs for Americans think about it.
That sounds like my jeep Patriot it does the same thing it has 150,000 miles on it but my F-250 has 245,000 and never used any oil no wonder I like Fords
Yeah that's not normal that's the second generation Kia has that problem. I have a 2010 Kia soul and I only burned 1 quart every 5000 miles. The car currently has 410,000 miles
I've heard that too, about the older ones. That's why we wanted to try a Kia. I'm going to replace the PVC valve, it goes in this Friday for that, as I've heard this helps. But our car uses a lot of oil. Maybe a quart, in 5000 miles, I can see but not 3 quarts. Oh, and now the "check oil" light is coming on and the oil isn't low. They are going to look at that next week. These things are junk.
The PVC valve is a gunking up because of other problems. I don't believe the PVC should be dumping directly on the back of the intake valves. If you run these engines for long commutes duty they'll last a lot longer because the vapors dripping onto the the Pistons creat a varnish that tears up the rings. As the valves get carboned up the vapors aren't as likely to burn off or get stuck. The remedy might be to install a catch can and it wouldn't hurt to use a little fuel treatment that's made for GDI engines. Between oil changes. I think you probably want a warm these up to operating temperature before you push them as well.... The reciprocating assemblies in those are engineered and assembled with such fine tolerances that little problems can escalate quickly.
@@HayesTech Over All I've been blessed with good luck with my KIAs not a bad value for dollar considering we used to have to do tune-ups at 12 to 15,000 miles. We would have to replace alternators, starters, exhaust systems, suspension components brakes drums wheel cylinders up to four or five different belts with different tension specifications. And maybe a radiator. All before 100,000 miles. Sometimes the parts you replace lasted longer than the originals sometimes they didn't. Heck you were lucky to get a 100,000 mi out of a lot of cars. And youd likely be dumping at least a quart or two of oil listen to the engine between the three or four thousand mile oil changes. You might even change transmission at less than 100,000 MI Don't forget you'd be lucky if your master cylinder would last that long as well. Might even have to replace radiator.. The worst I've done with my KIAS is 140,000 miles with a 2.4.. had I put a catch can on it I could have pushed that car to probably at least 200,000 miles without any problems.
Had same oil consumption issue with 2015 Kia forte after alot back and forth they changed the motor and now there is a full recall on those motors. Had also purchased 2020 Kia Optima now having the same issue after 60,000 miles dealer is giving same BS that it is normal to consume quart of oil every 1,000. WTF?. After 4,000 miles there would be NO oil in the car if not constant adding oil.
Completely agree. And I don't know why there hasn't been any recall on these engines yet. Just in this video there are enough comments to show that there is an issue with these engines using oil.
@@wildbill6366 Now that is awesome news. And yes, they are a different type of fuel management system than whats on the 1.6ltr, direct fuel injection, engines that come standard in the cheaper Kia Soul models.
I don't blame hardworking folks who dare NOT touch any Kia or Hyundai vehicle. With the massive bill they shouldered from the engine failure fiasco plus other major safety recalls, guess who will foot the bill eventually?
We have a 2015 Kia Sorento and at 140K miles it started burning a quart of oil every 750 miles. Expect the same thing on your Kia soul. Right now it’s not to bad if your burning a quart every 1500 miles.
I think the only reason it lasts (sometimes) to 1500 miles is because I change it. I think unburned gasoline is getting by the piston rings and then draining into the oil. Just a thought. Again, some times it's only good for about 1000 miles. Either way, once I see that it's using oil, I change it. Bottom line is, these motors are junk and Kia knows it. It's a shame something can't be done about it. As I've said many times though, I'll never purchase another Kia, ever.
Thank you for this video. Im in need of a car and saw this kia online and wondered the reviews on this car. I know some one with a 2012 kia car with over 2000k miles and only done the basic maintenance. I taught this one might last long but I guess not. What used vehicle do you recommend buying??
As far as used vehicles, any Buick LeSabre, Century or even some Chevy cars ( front wheel drive ) with the V6 3800 engine, should rack up many, many miles. Those cars have the very reliable 3800 V6 GM engine. It's a good car and engine combo. On the highway it could get up to 30mpg and about 22mpg in the city. And it has about 200hp. That's not hot rod performance but plenty of power for those cars. They are also very comfortable to ride in and drive. (I recommend the LeSabre with a leather interior ). Or even the Park Avenue, as long as it has that engine in it ( the 3800 V6 ) will make for an outstanding car. As far as Kia goes, we may have got a bad one, and most are actually good cars.?? Who knows... But to get that kind of response, from a Kia service technician, makes me believe that they just don't care. And from my research into this issue, I've found that this is not an isolated incident. It's happened so many times that there have been several videos made about this oil consumption issue and Kia's response to it. So with that, I cannot recommend a Kia to anybody. I sold my Buick Century with over 160k and it's still running for that person today. The thing is, if you keep up with oil changes and general maintenance, those cars will last a very long time. And if you have to replace engine parts, they are one of the cheapest cars to have serviced. That engine, in those cars, is very reliable. I wish I still had that Buick.
Did you replace your PCV valve yet? It definitely helped some. It's not perfect but it doesn't use oil as bad as it did before changing that valve. It's cheap and fairly easy to replace
Man...:( I purchased my 2017 Kia Soul Plus used with ~25,000 miles. I really love the car. I've maintained it in great condition and was hoping to drive this baby another 50,000 miles at least. For me it's comfy, easy to drive, maneuverable, and spacious for a compact SUV. The shape of the car is practical and lets me use all of the interior and makes it easy to load things on top, like my kayaks. It's been a great car and now has 97,500 miles. However, it has started using oil - about a quart per 1,000 miles. It did get low a few times before I realized how bad the problem was. Now I am checking it regularly and topping it off between oil changes. What I am wondering is - as long as I top it off will it be OK? Or should I trade it in now before the engine fails or the oil consumption gets worse? I have never smelled oil burning or seen a leak. When I called Kia they gave me the "a quart per 1,000 miles is normal" speech. Since I bought it used I am not covered by the original warranty but I am part of the extended warranty that came from the lawsuit. I'm not sure what this really means; would I be covered if there was a catastrophic engine failure? On another note: I've had both rear wheel speed sensors fail in the past year. Anybody else?
Your situation is almost exactly what mine was. And it started about 70,000 miles. We always changed our oil no more than 3500 miles too. It started to use oil just like you, and just like you, when we confronted Kia about this issue (and we were still under warranty) they basically said the same thing to us, "that is normal oil usage for this type engine". We are now well over 90,000 miles, and out of our warranty, and our car uses 3 to 4, or more, quarts between oil changes. We had the PCV valve replaced and no fix. So what we do now is when we use 1 quart or 2, at the most, we just change our oil. We are hoping it will last until we own it outright . We have about a year to go. We should have never financed it. I'll be trading it in as soon as it's paid for and I'll never get another Kia. And don't get me wrong I love the car. It's very snappy and runs like a dream. It just uses a lot of oil and we have to keep our eye on it. Steer clear of Kia.
My cousin drives a Kia soul and he is starting to see this oil consumption. These numbers are atrocious! It burns way too much oil. I actually thought my old 2008 Lexus IS250 burned a lot. With that car when I check the dipstick after 3k miles driven and the oil level shows on the low dot. From that first dot on the dipstick to the top full dot it’s one quart so my burn is like 1 quart every 3k miles or so. Anyhow, wow. KIA. I won’t get one lol
Yes, I wouldn't mind 1 quart every 3000 miles. Some vehicles just use a little oil. But the amount these Kia Souls are using is very bad. By the way, I'm a huge Cadillac fan and owned 2 in my life and loved both of them. I had a 98 El Dorado and an 02 DeVille.
In between regular oil changes my 2017 kia went to Bone Dry without any Leaks and now Im dealing with a seized engine that the dealership told me it would cost $8500 to fix it which cost more then the value of my car 😢 I have a case escalated with the 800# kia
@@ashgaming7045 You have to check your oil at least once a week, depending on your mileage. We also change our oil every 1000 too 1500 miles now. It's stupid to do but it's the only thing that's keeping us from ruining the engine
thats the way my kia 2016 is. I notice cause i travel that when i accelerate alot i burn. But if i drive it normal for until the next oil change. It will last before i even put a drop of oil about 2,300 miles then ill put half of quart. Yes it is a nice car but like i told them and those stupid people from kia said that its normal. Please we all know that is not normal. But we always have stupid people who just sale what they dont know nothing of to us.
I replaced the PCV valve, after some extensive research, and that actually did help a lot. It's still not perfect but its not using 4 to 5 quarts of oil between oil changes. It's down to about 1 1\2 quarts per 3,500 miles now.
I hear ya ....! Valvaline has a new oil out now for this now. Restore & Protect. So far it's worse ! Think I'll keep going with it..,, it may take 4 changes . Could you imagine TAking the L. A Freeway to work with these cars. Probably run out before you get to work. BTW... They start ON FIRE TOO
I have a Sorento, lost the engine, now I'm adding oil every 250 to 300 miles, burning oil. First Kia and last one, I told everyone I know don't buy Kia. I'm a uber driver and a lot of people change their mind about purchasing a Kia.
I couldn't agree with you more. They are absolute junk. And changing out the PCV valve does, or did nothing, to fix this issue for my car. It's a bad engine design and they know it.
I picked up a client. First thi g she said donyou like your Sorento, after telling her my story. She let me know that she bought a 2012 Sorento. After 3 weeks, she had an engine problem and she was hoping the dealer will refund her her money or give her another car.
Oh man, mine is the same problem, now that I pass more than 100K I have to spend 3Q too every month, I did change the oil valve, change spark plus, did an oil treatment for the engine and you right no lique, and still expending on oil.
Yep. I just change my oil now every 1,000 to 1,500 miles. As soon as I notice a quart of oil is needed, I add the oil and then change it out, along with the filter, as soon as I can.
@@elgonz12 And that sucks too, because I really do like the car. It's too bad. But this whole engine oil usage issue, and them not willing to fix the issue, put a bad taste in my mouth for Kia
We had a 2017 Kia Sorento and had the same problem what you are say that it consumed too much engine oil one time I was i checking the engine oil and it was short 3 quarters of oil add oil to it next thing we went out of town the next day and on the way back home the check engine light turn on and took it the dealership and I told them what was going on and see if it meets Kia Motors criteria if the engine needs replaced meant but next thing the dealership told me it did not meet Kia Motors criteria and the reason the check engine was on is because lack of compression on cylinder number 4 and the suv had only 93,000 miles in it Kia cars are nothing but junk and don't back up their warranty.
Yep. We had almost the exact same issue. But they told us that modern motors all use oil and we have to keep an eye on it. So yes. They know the engines are junk and they didn't care. Stay away from Kia products. I can only tell you to trade it in ASAP.
I have a 2018 Kia Sportage and I went through the three oil consumption checks and the first 2 oil consumption checks my car burned 1 1/2 quarts of oil which is in 1000 miles and after the third check my car burned 1 quart of oil in 1010 miles and they told me that my car is fixed! Yeah my car is fixed and I was on the cusp of needing a new engine but Kia decided I did not need a new engine that my car is fine. my car is not fine. I have to add oil after 2500 miles because my oil light comes on. I’m not a mechanic, but I do know that is not normal. I will never ever buy another Kia again. My car was still with an warranty under 100,000 miles. I went through these games with Kia to inconvenience myself to bring this car and three times for them to only told me they will not honor their product. Not to mention I also have a 2018 Kia optima which I bought from the same dealership and has the same problem. Do not buy a Kia! They do not back their product or their customers! I talk to a lot of people and apparently this is a big problem. When I get a oil change and talk to the mechanics, they all tell me that all of the kids that come in for an oil change are very low on oil.
So sorry to hear. But I completely understand. They also would not repair mine, under warranty, and said mine was normal oil usage for the car. So the same issue as you. I check the oil now, once a week. Once I see we are starting to use oil, at about 1000 to 1500 miles, I change it. Yes, it's expensive, but my wife still owes money on it and we can't afford to have it blow up the engine. Once this case is paid off, we will be trading it in on a better car. And the new car will not be a Kia. One quick recommendation.. Do not wait till you get a warning light on the dash, to check the oil. When that light goes on, it's too late. Your oil level is so low that your oil pressure is almost non existent. The only way to keep your engine from blowing up is to check your oil. I recommend at least once a week.
Oil burning in a car shouldn't be an issue until at least 100k miles or more. Thats just a pathetic excuse by Hyundai/Kia to get out of fixing their oil burning engines.
Change your PCV valve it will stop using oil, it has to be changed every 30K miles or so, my wife's 2014 Kia Soul did the same thing , no leaks just burnt the oil like yours
I'm pretty sure that the 1.6L doesn't have a pcv valve. If it does and you've never changed it, you should do so. If I'm correct and you don't have a pcv valve, your problem is probably due to stuck piston oil control rings. There are UA-cam videos showing how to free up the rings with "piston soaks" but there is a much easier method of freeing these rings. Add Berryman Chemtool to an empty gas tank. Fill the tank with the highest octane gas. Drive five miles with the RPMs below redline but around 5000-5500. This will generate the heat necessary to free up the oil control rings so that they function properly again. Your excessive oil consumption will go away.
It does have a PCV valve and it was changed. That procedure, you mentioned, may fix the pistons rings (if that's the issue) but I don't trust it won't blow up the engine. It's almost paid off now and as soon as it is, we are trading it in on another car. And it won't be a Kia
I do appreciate your comment though. And I agree about the piston oil rings may be sticking. From what I've researched that's the main issue. I've also watched videos where they drain the oil and add that clear stuff in the engine, instead of the required oil that the car normally uses, and run the engine at a high RPM, for several minutes. Then drain it out and add fresh oil and a newa new filter. But I've also seen where a few engines were damaged from this procedure. I'm sure those few engines, they were damaged from this procedure, already had some damage already. Our car's engine runs great and is very quiet and doesn't smoke yet. So ours would probably be a good candidate for that procedure. But as I said before, we are not putting any more money into it. We will be getting another car. Thanks again for the comment.
That was cheched when they checked and changed the PCV valve last year. I appreciate all the tips and tricks but bottom line is these engines have a known issue. Its very well documented too. Kia just needs to own up to their mechanical mistakes.
All that burning oil will defintely foul the catalytic convertor over time. How do I know? I had a 2012 Kia Soul with 221,000 miles with the same issue. The catalytic converter got ruined. I mechanically totaled the car. Was a pretty good car, except for the engine oil burning issue. Trust me, I won't ever buy a Kia or Hyundai again. Only Toyota or Honda for me from now on.
Ummm no it’s I’ve heard it’s something to do with the rings something about carbon buildup in the rings and the piston doesn’t go down like it should and the oil is going burning somewhere I don’t know
We are having the same problem with our 2017 Soul. At 60K Kia replaced the transmission. Now we are burning oil and the dealer "assessment " says there's nothing wrong. No warning lights today, car was running weird, checked the oil. Level was almost empty. WTAF Kia?
Yep. We have to be very diligent in checking the oil in this car. As I said before this is the reason I will never purchase another Kia... Ever !!!! And I can't recommend them. Of all the videos I've uploaded, this one is the only one that I wish would go viral. That way this information would get out to more people. I could see it if they were trying to do something about it but to tell us that "this is normal" and send us on our way, is very unprofessional, in my opinion. Also, there is no way to check the transmission fluid levels either... Who does that? Again, don't purchase a Kia...
Just look at the comment that I had pinned before changing the pinned comment to yours. It's the same issue that we are having and more.. Much more. So this is not an anomaly.
Hi, Yup, this is also happening to all of Hyundai with the 1.6 & 2.0 GDI engines. Those dam idiots at Hyundai & Kia service department have to say this is normal or they will lose their jobs. This is total BS. No car burns 1 quart of oil in 1000 miles unless they have a massive leak. The funny part is that they tell the customer to change the oil every 5,000 miles. If you purchase their service plan, it states 7500 miles oil change. So if you don't have oil in your the engine and it caused it to fail, they blame the customer for not having enough oil in the engine. Why isn't the sales people mentioning this when they are selling the cars to the customers? Yet, Kia / Hyundai Corp is allowing all the dealers to say this is normal. They don't want to lose more money with this issue. The US should just band any of these cars to be sold here if they don't want to address this issue. That simple..
If it's starting to use oil baby the crap out of it you might get around 120,000 to 140,000 miles out of it. Seems to be what people who take pretty good care of them are getting out of them. My engine finally let go at 140,000. Up to that point it was the most trouble-free car I've ever owned. I literally spent nothing on at the normal maintenance. I've owned most brands. I installed a new engine with catch can hopefully that solves my problem to where I can get 200,000 + mi out of the new engine..
I will never buy another KIA..there are to many complaints about the engine oil burning before it should. Very clever design by the manufacturer/engineers to sell us a new vehicle. Shame on them!!! They will surely lose their reputation once the word gets out.
It's a PCV valve. It should be replaced every 60,000 miles. It's a $15 part from the dealership, but have a reputable shop put it in - not the dealership.
We will soon see because mine was replaced after our last oil change. So far it's not looking good for Kia as I had to add a half quart of oil 2 times since the replacement. It's not quite as bad as it was before I replaced the PCV valve but it is still using oil.
lmao ah yes, the typical PCV valve excuse. No, its garbage engines with soft piston rings. Don't buy kias, they are for leasing the first 2-3 years, disposable cars.
Install OCC .Disconect pcv line from your intake. Plug the intake with rubber cap with clamp. You will see. There will be no oil problem any more. I did this way. Now i made 30.000 miles with no oil burning. Very Simple to fix it.
Kia needed to give New Engines from 2014 on to today. They knew there Piston Rings were terrible and GDI Engines using GDI need to go. Kia needs to replace all these Engines
I know all about low-tension piston rings and KIA's (and other manufacturers) normal use of oil between changes. And I understand why it's like that. A lot of manufacturers are doing that to their lower-priced vehicles now. But the oil usage that we are having is way more than what they are saying is allowable with this system. We are using a quart of oil per about every 85 to 90 miles. That is unacceptable. Now if we were using a quart of oil to 1 1/2 quarts of oil per 3000 miles to 3500 miles (the time we go between normal oil changes) that would be within normal use for these cheaper motors. Again, I am talking about a massive oil consumption issue as is many, many more owners. So many complaints that a class action law suit has been brought up against KIA.
@@HayesTech Sorry. I was stating a fact. It's why Kia and Hyundia were ordered to replace 1.4 million engines. Their technically the same company and share the place the blocks are machined and assembled. They have a washing problem, and their not getting the metal out of the blocks and oil passages, and then assembling and shiping that to their customers. It's one of the reasons those vehicles have severe crankshaft bearing and timing chain issues. Thats why they start burning oil.
@@michaelkeudel8770 Oh, I completely agree. And I've heard about the issues they've had. The issue I'm having is they keep telling me that it's normal and they won't do anything. So my only option is to get a lawyer and take them to court, to force the issue. But that will also cost me money I don't have. Believe me, if I had the money I would do it as a matter of principal. I know one thing for sure though and that is that I will never purchase another Kia.
@@HayesTech point your lawyer towards the settlement, if that's what they agreed to in court, they better honor it. You might have a case, look into it.
@@HayesTech it's sad really, they make some nice looking and driving cars, but their engines and transmission issues aren't doing them any favors or their customers either. Severe quality control issue costing the company more than it makes, not a really good business model to save a few bucks.
I have the same issue with my 2015 Kia Soul! It burns oil way too much every 1000 miles or sometime even less. Kia Motors doesn’t accept responsibility and says it’s normal.
..No its not normal. They made this way. They are liars..They know what they did it. Because it give them profit.. The problem is pcv line. This pcv line go from your engine valve cover splash cover to intake .. The intake is working as A vaccum. The intake is sucking oil from your engine by valve cover..when you drive. . Oil gets to cylinder and burns.. This is the problem... Disconect this pcv line from your intake and conect to OCC.. Buy OCC oil catch can with breather..buy 2-3ft 3/8 fuel line hose plus some clamps.. Install OCC plug intake with rubber cap with clamp. This easy to fix. It will cost you 50.00 usd... If you keep this line .It will give more problem. The burning oil going to kills your catalyc convertor. O2 sensorssensorsinjector.spark plugs and many more. You going to get pain in the ass.😬😬😬...
I will definitely try that. But this is something I shouldn't have to do. I'm absolutely done with Kia. Thank you very much for this tip, as we still have another year to go, to pay it off.
That's crazy. My 2012 Nissan Frontier, with over 100,000 miles, use no oil at all (in the 3,500 miles or so between oil change). I can see a quart between oil changes but not more than that. Bottom line is this, check your oil regularly.
Couldn't agree more. That's why I made this video too. To get the word out about what's going on with these junk engines. It wouldn't be bad if Kia took responsibility and fixed the issue under warranty but they refuse to acknowledge that this is even an issue.
Have a 2014 Sorento with 2.2 turbo disel CRDI. Consuming 1 litre every 2000 miles. Currently, monitoring the consumption and I am going to send it to service centre for compression test. Does anyone has the similar problem? Any suggestion is appreciated.
I will pin this comment and hopefully someone can chime in
@@HayesTech Thank you so much.
@@FletcherEldridge
You are very welcome. This underhanded stuff that's being done by car lots, major brands I might add, needs to be brought out into the open. We consumers need to be aware of these issues. So if anyone has any info to help this person, please post.
CHANGE THE PCV VALVE!! It’s the source of the oil burning
@@carefree002 Thanks for the suggestion. But I don't think diesel engine have a PCV. Do you mean breather hose valve or something like that?
Thanks for the info! I got my Kia at 69,000 miles and now have 112,000, and my man (who is a mechanic!) didnt believe me when I told him I had to keep adding oil between changes. So, we both kept track and sure enough, oil is just disappearing! Never once was there any sign that it was a leak and I've never smelled oil burning to this day. Last month, it ended up doing that weird power loss thing like you are saying, and one day it just wouldn't drive over 11 mph! Put a brand new cat (1500$ later) and it left the shop with check engine light on, turned around to bring it back and the light went off. So, next day mechanic calls asking about the car, which I told my man that has never happened, and it makes me believe that even the mechanic was unsure if he fixed the issues. I would not recommend a Kia either! Thanks for the info man!
You are very welcome. Something else that you could try is to change the PCV valve. That's what we did and are hoping that it helps. A lot of people says this is an issue with these cars and it helps in some cases, not all. I'll let you know if it helps us. But since it's less than $20 to replace, I would go ahead and replace it on your car.
@@HayesTecha new pcv valve will not fix oil burning
KIA is inspecting my car cos its out of warranty and I got Fvcked with a seized engine since oil was bone dry and I do all my oil changes..... FVVCKKKKK KIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
$8500 seized engine!!!!!!!! They are investigating and first good will fix was denied and now my case is escalated!
They need ANOTHER CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT ON THIS OUL CONSUMPTION MAJOR ISSUE!!!!!
I never had a seized engine in all the years I drove and KIA OIL CONSUMPTION ISSUE HAS SEIZED MY ENGINE!
I have no transportation now and need to get to WORK!!!! I HATE YOU KIA!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 2014 Kia Sportage that started using oil at 80,000 miles. I wracked my brain trying to figure out where the oil was going cause it smoked vey little. Only when I gave it a lot of gas. It was using over a quart every 1000 miles and getting worse. I noticed it wasnt like any other car I ever had that burned oil because of bad rings or valve seals. The car still had lots of power and great MPG around 30 combined driving. The engine is a 2.4L. It had to be the oil rings either clogged with carbon or stuck. I soaked the rings with Sea Foam after I watched a video of a guy doing it. After that I changed the oil filter. Plus I added 5 ounces of Sea Foam to the oil. I then drove the car on an open road with little traffic by dropping the transmission into a lower gear and getting it up to 4000-5000 rpms then letting off the gas letting the engine brake the car. I kept doing this vigorously for maybe 2-3 miles. I drove back home checked the oil level which was on full and after driving now for 1200 miles it hasnt used a drop. Now you tell me what fixed it because I dont know which of the 2 that did or if the 2 things combined fixed it but I am still in shock and very happy. The car has 154,000 miles on it.
That's awesome that it's fixed. I really don't know what fixed it though. The issue with my engine is the direct injection and the low quality rings used, from what I can see from research.
As long as I change my oil at about 1,200 to 1,500 miles (or when I start to use oil after the oil change) things are great. But if I just add the oil and keep driving, till my 3500 mile oil change, it will keep burning oil. And the longer it goes until the oil is changed, the more oil it burns. Yes, it sounds to me like the rings are gunked up, but I'm told this is only a temporary fix (in my situation). We just keep changing the oil as soon as we see it start to burn/use oil (at about 1,200 to 1,500 miles). With the fresh, new oil, it stops burning oil (for a while). Bottom line for me is these engines are junk. And it's a shame too because they run so good. I love the snappy acceleration, and the power for a small 4cly.
@HayesTech Yes I love the rest of the car. It's made well, has a great paint job and clear coat that even Toyota and Hondas don't match. Only other thing that has gone wrong is the AC compressor failed at about 100,000 miles. Other than figuring out what the oil problem was and the AC it's been great!
Wow...this man is right on...I have a 2019 kia soul with 70000 miles and I just changed the oil and 2 weeks later I had to put 2 quarts of oil in my kia....I'm sure getting rid of this rat 🐀 box and sticking to my FORD..
Yes, we bought a brand new Kia Soul in 2015. Now it has about 80k on it. Last year, they had to replace the knock sensor three times - in the same year! When the knock sensor goes bad, the car goes in a limp mode and cannot even climb a hill. We had to have it towed to the dealer three times. They warned us that the oil was low (didn't tell us Kai had issues burning oil) and the problem with the knock sensor was related to low oil. Now we have to add oil practically every time we fill up with gas, might as well be driving a two-stroke engine car! I am originally from Turkey - my dad had 5 Turkish built cars, since I've moved to the States, I (and my wife) have had 10 cars (other than the Kia) and among these 15 cars, we have not had to put a drop of oil in the cars in between oil changes.
Yep. These cars are complete junk. We actually do an oil change as soon as we start using oil (between 1000 to 1500 miles). It's a complete waist to me but I can't afford to get another car right now. So we have to go above and beyond to make sure we don't ruin the engine in this one.
Same MY KIA ENGINE IS SEIZED and im dealing with this issue... We need to sue them... My ENGINE IS SHOT and I owned 93 Grand ams and never loss oil as well as many other cars I owned!
I would love to see this video get shared more than any other video I've uploaded. This has to get out to the masses.
Hey Randy......Thanks for the Kia info ! ( I am a guitar-player in Camas, Washington by the way ); we have 2016 Kia Soul with the 2.0 engine; had started using a little oil about....30k & then went on to use more ( note: used original 5w-20 ) up until about 85k miles; when i switched to using....5w-30. Now has about 105k and oil use is DOWN to about 1/2 quart about every 2,000 miles or so. Changing every 5k miles as always & using the Costco / Full synthetic & WIX filters. By the way.....The change to the 5w-30 is shown in the owner's manual as ...OK. No change in performance & maybe only a slight change in MPG. Kind regards, jeffrie / Camas, WA
Don't know who Randy is, but thanks for the info on using 5W-30. I am going to have to try that out.
Second owner of a 2018 KIA Optima SXL! I’ve driven it for seventeen (17) months and it has 66,000 miles on it! Haven’t had a problem out of it! Doesn’t use any oil between 5,000 miles oil change! I drive it on the highway every weekend on a 70 mile round trip!
Gas mileage has improved from EPA CITY 22 mpg to 24 mpg! (highest 28.4 mod)! Highway 32 mpg to 34 mph (highest 35.8 mpg)
I know it’s still early! Anything can happen! So far I’m very pleased with my KIA! Last December I took a picture of my KIA in front of the plant where it was built in West Point, Georgia!
@@jerryclark1070
That's awesome and I hope your engine keeps right on doing what it should.
@@HayesTech - I’m the second owner! KIA has extended the warranty on the engine to 125,000 miles (66,000 now).! They recalled the vehicle to update the software so if there’s an engine problem the vehicle will slowdown and finally stop! To protect the engine! The vehicle will need to be towed!
@@jerryclark1070
Good for you. At least they are treating you right. Finally, a happy story. Well, good luck to you and I wish you the best of luck with your purchase.
Thank you for your video ! We have the same problem. We have a Kia sorento it has 86,000 miles and it don’t go farther than about 600 miles without losing a quart of oil. It’s so frustrating!! We’ve been told the same thing from the dealership!! I’d get rid of it but it’s paid off and I don’t want another car payment. But … I hope nothing major happens. Thanks again for the video
@@carmenlapham6507
I completely understand having no car payment. But honestly, If it were me, I would get rid of it while it's still in good running condition. But I completely get what you're saying and the way our economy is right now you just want to not get another monthly payment.
We actually started changing our oil and filter every time the oil started to get used (past 1 quart about 1000 to 1200 miles). We noticed that after about 6 to 8 months later our car goes longer without the oil change.
So what that's telling me if that the oil rings are the corporate. And since we started this at an earlier (rather than later) onset, that we now can go almost the entire 3500 miles between oil changes without using more than about 1/2 a quart of oil.
I'm not sure how long it will last this way (oil rings clean again) but as soon as it's paid for (in another couple months) we will be getting rid of it.
PCV valve, change it.
@@carmenlapham6507
If it were me, I would trade it in while it's running and I'm good shape. I've seen a lot of people saying "change the PCV valve". And that should be your first try, to fix this issue. But I've found, on our car and it's engine, that changing out the PCV valve, had no effect on the oil issue. Again, that was with our Kia Soul and it's engine. I'm not sure which engine is in your car. I would definitely change out that PCV valve first. But if that doesn't fix it, I honestly would trade it in while it's still running good.
I would use 5w 30 oil in it. The owners manual should say it is OK. I believe this will slow down the wear on the engine. Also replace the PVC valve, these are easy to change and inexpensive.
Already changed the PCV valve, at around 85,000 miles. Now that it's warming up I was thinking about switching to 10w-30 too. I've also seen that info and was researching into it. Thank you for mentioning that though. I don't think that was discussed in here yet so it's good to post info such as yours for others.
Did the PC valve change help at all? @@HayesTech
@@beastumfan
No., unfortunately. And I actually had high hopes for it to work. No, what we do now, so then engine will last till it's paid off, is change the oil once it starts using oil. A fresh oil change and filter will give us about 1,200 to 1,500 miles before it starts using oil. And once it starts, it quickly reverts back to using massive oil (about 1/2 quart per 200 miles).
I have same problem and dealer gives me same line. Also, the mileage in town is awful. To add to this, are paint on our 2018 Kia Soul is starting to peel. You are right on!
@@brettdickinson7708
Yep. As soon as it's paid, we actually have one last payment coming up, we will be getting rid of it
Most manufacturers state that oil consumption can be as much as 1qt every 800-1000 miles. That being said, Hyundai / Kia direct injection (GDI) engines have a real problem with oil dilution. The result of oil diluted with fuel is that the oil loses its viscosity and critical components begin to prematurely wear because of lack of lubrication. The engine clearances in turn increase and then your oil consumption begins to increase. Long engine life is not a thing with these GDI engines.
Oh, I understand why the oil is low and where it's going. That's why I'll never own another car with a GDI engine. And I'll never own another Kia because they won't back their product. Thanks for the comment and you are very right....
Our 2013 Kia Optima blew up at 89k miles. Regular maintenance on it was done and within the factory guide lines. Kia gave us the run around at first, but replaced the engine block and other damaged components under warranty, even giving us a loaner free of charge. At 92k miles the transmission went, and they wouldn't budge to help us under the factory warranty. We purchased a extended warranty when we bought the car though, and that covered most of cost to replace the transmission with a used transmission. In the end we traded it in and bought a brand new Mitsubishi. My brother traded his Hyundai Sonata in after that for a new Toyota. I know someone else who had transmission problems with their Hyundai. They filed a lemon law claim because Hyundai refused to honor the warranty. All cars were brand new with regular maintenance. Bottom line after purchasing 8 brand new Hyundai/Kia's and going through that none of us will be buying them ever again. They used to be decent cars, and they stood behind them. That isn't the case anymore. Leaving my wife stranded in the middle of no where with a blown up engine with our son in the dead heat of summer and no ac was not fun. Never again.
Yep. We are fine with Kia too. And I am going to use my UA-cam platform to make sure I get this out to the public. The more this video gets shared and the more people see it, the more people this video will help. Thank you so much for watching, but most important, thank you for sharing your issues with us too. I may even pin your comment so more people can see it
My God that's horrible!!! That's what im worried about!!!
A Mitsubishi? :(. I had an Outlander that started acting dumb near the end of my loan. Bought it brand new in 2014.
Amen. Never again
They were being honest with you. Consuming lots of oil is normal for a Kia.
Oh, I agree and they need to include that in the buying information. If people knew about this, they wouldn't purchase them. We would move on to a car that doesn't use excessive oil.
@@HayesTech My Sportage used an unbelievable amount of oil. While it wasn’t the norm according to the owners manual, it appears to be the brand norm. Getting a new engine also seems to be the norm. At least they were good about it.
Kia has known about oil consumption issue for some time. They released a technical service bulletin No 222 in Dec 2020. We have a 2015 Sorento with 2.4 engine just over 94,000 mile. Bought new. South Florida car the whole time. Normal mixed highway and around town. Regular oil changes very 5k. No leaks. Oil consumption started back around 80k. Adding oil between oil changes and now measuring the rate. I think it’s at least a couple quarts between oil changes. Oil changes are few at dealer and the rest DIY With quality synthetic 5w-30 and high quality filter or OEM filter. Changed PCV recently and did not seem to do anything to slow the oil consumption. Next step is maybe dealer and TSB. Will not keep this though or buy another. Honda with 140k, Toyota with 167k. Had two Mazda MPV withe over 130k. NONE of these had any oil consumption. It is not normal for engines to consume oil. It’s a symptom that something is wrong. If it was normal it would consume oil from factory.
Yep. They are junk. I'll never own another. We just change our oil now, every 1000 to 1500 miles and that seems to help some
You are so right, have a 2015 purchased new oil burner.
I have the exact same Kia Soul with the same problem. Oil started to burn around 80k & fortunate for me, I was able to get a new engine right at 99k miles. I took it to a Kia dealership and had them perform tests on it (had to come back a few times for these tests-even when it went over 100k). I also had to call the 1-800 Kia customer service # and was firm on getting this issue fixed. A new engine (top portion of it-not complete) was ordered and the car was at the dealership for about 30 hours for the replacement. I recommend taking your car to a different Kia dealer and also calling the customer service number. The dealer I went to was not the one I bought the car from. My car is at 152k miles right now and I will never buy a Kia again.
I am so pissed with Kia I don't want to talk to them any further. But you are right and I should contact Kia directly. Maybe I will. But I am done with them for purchasing cars. I will never own another Kia... Ever..
My car has been at kia since oct2022 fighting with the warranty company
@@tasha8902
I feel for you and know exactly what you mean. Just last night, on my wife's way home from work, the oil light came on again. I checked and it was almost 1 quart low again. We just had the oil changed 1000 miles so. So this issue is getting worse. We have less than 10,000 miles to go until the warranty is done too. But to them, this is normal. Never again.. Kia makes trash for cars.
I wish you the best and let me know how it works out for you.
@@HayesTech There is another civil suit that is in the process. They are just collecting data. I will post the link
@@tasha8902
Thank you.
We bought a 2016 forte ex with 52k 2 years ago. It now has 80k. About a year ago we received a note from a lawfirm stating there was a class action suit against Kia for oil burning and 1 other issue. A KSDS update is mandatory for the extended warranty to cover the issue. Kia does know and it's not normal. We had the update done and ours is starting to use oil. But at least we're covered if the engine goes out.
Yes, we were never told about any updates, form Kia or the Kia dealership. Our car has over 100, 000 miles now so we are not covered. I am going to pin this comment though. Just in case others, who still can, has the information to follow.
@@HayesTech The way I understand it as long as the engine class and model fit in the framework of the lawsuit all you have to do is take it to the dealership and request the KSDS update and it’s covered by the warranty mentioned in the lawsuit.
Wow we have same issue with a Hyundai Tuscan had all work done at dealer .. so it would be covered with the manufacturing warrantee, says 7500 oil change but no oil for oil change ... but now to late motor is nocking and they say it was not covered because we did not maintain it .. we should have known it would loose oil, never told us when we had it served by dealer ... never had it with a ford in my life. Thank you for putting this out.
So sorry to hear that. Yep, they get you any way they can. I check our oil, in all the cars, because I'm used to doing it. But others might not be. You shouldn't have to check your oil more than once or twice between oil changes anyways.
Agree, we have a 2018 Kia Sportage and I have to constantly keep adding oil every 2 weeks. 85k miles. The Hyundai and Kia engines have a design flaw that burns oil back in the crankcase. We will never buy another Kia or even a Hyundai!
@@DanielCastillo-yw3ih
I've found a way to (temporarily) clean the oil rings. Change your oil as soon as you use a quart of oil. It will take 6 or 7, or more , changes, but it will eventually clean out the oil rings. It's not a permanent fix though. It will slowly get back to burning oil, massively, again. Bottom line, stay away from Kia and Hyundai DEI engines. I'm done with Kia and will never be able to trust them again.
KIA also stands for Killed In Action 🤣🤣🤣🤣
My Kia was killed in action as the engine seized from bone dry oil and I kept up with every oil change I am so pissed right now and going through it with Kia
Sorry to hear
To be fair my sister had a kia soul with the very same issue. Was actually a very common one. Where the oil goes is actually the transmission and causes issues there. Horrid design by KIA
I watched a video that recommended changing the PCV (positive Crankcase valve) said it was a common thing with Kia and an easy fix.
@@calbee1163
You should change out the PCV valve when needed and in small numbers that helped. This should be the first thing you try. But in most cases it's actually the oil rings, on your pistons, that get plugged up and no longer work. I'm that case, changing the PCV valve will have no effect.
With that said... I did start changing out the oil and filter as soon as we noticed 1 quart of oil lose (at @ 1,000 to 1,200 miles). After several oil changes, my best guess would be about 10 oil changes, we noticed a marked improvement. Her car is now going 3,500 miles with only about 1/2 quart oil lose. I don't know how long this will hold out until we have to do it again though. We always change our oil at 3,500 mile intervals. Always. The bottom line is that this engine design has major issues. Just please be careful and check you oil regularly.
@@calbee1163 - Changing oil on time is critical!
I have owned Ford, Chevrolet, GMC, over the years all had over 250,000 miles when I traded them in, at that point, all went 8,000 miles between oil change with no oil usage. Thanks for the KIA information. Maybe they need to find another business to run or not.
Couldn't agree more...
2017 Cadenza with excessive oil consumption - Greater than 1 quart loss per 1K miles began at 65K miles. Original owner. The 'oil can with a drip' on your dash is your OIL PRESSURE warning, it doesn't warn of low oil! DO CHECK your oil stick (cold engine) every week. It only takes 1-minute. My oil was 5.5 quarts low before there was any indication I had a problem. CHECK YOUR DIP STICK EVERY WEEK! If the engine is starved of oil, it'll seize up, and you can't fix that.
Yoou are very correct. I never wait for the oil pressure light to come on. It's too late if your waiting for that light. We have an alarm set for checking the oil once a week. Once it gets to the point where we are using a quart in 1 week, I have the oil changed (about 1000 to 1500 miles). Bottom line is these engines are total junk.
Guys, let me suggest something. Change your oil and don't run synthetic go back to regular petroleum base, if you can find it. Everyone is sold on synthetic and it's great but not in a KIA. KIA engineers in their infinite wisdom are using low tension oil rings. There's a couple of reasons for this, less friction means less heat build up and better gas mileage. In theory that works, in application, not so much. Synthetic oil is much better at lubricating because it will penetrate every crack and crevice. Like I said in theory that's great. In practice it also gets by the little way to thin oil and compression rings. I own my fourth KIA Soul and this last one has just started using oil at 53.000 miles. It didn't use a drop until a year ago. I have always changed my oil and filter myself, mostly because I don't trust anyone else to do it. Because of health reasons I can no longer do that. My car has always had one major brand oil in it and changes have been religiously done. Not long after we started having it done it started using oil. I checked and it has been changed to synthetic, everyone has gone to it and it's hard to find standard engine oil. Right now KIA is working with me to determine if a warranty is justified. I will change it back to standard as soon as they determine if they will replace the engine or not. KIA engineers need to admit they are wrong and put a decent set of rings in these engines. The engine design is great, there's nothing wrong with it. Remember engineers are not the most brilliant people in the world. They are the ones that for 30 years insisted that rubber timing belts were the way to go, by the way if you don't change those religiously at 60,000 miles, you will destroy the engine if it breaks, now everyone is back to building engines with timing chains. Try it, it will only cost you an oil change. It should work if it's not been using oil long.
Thats great advice and it totally makes sense too. My only issue is that my Nissan has over 100k and it's still not using a drop oil. I have to make concessions for the Kia, so it will last till we dump it.. But this just tells me that this thing is junk.
So I always used regular oil then Kia changed to synthetic during my last oil change which was my oil consumption test without telling me😠. Who is working with you, KIA or KIA dealership? I just spoke with Kia consumer hotline and they are escalating my case. So ill see what happens. My dealership is pissed!!!!!
@@denisemartin3603
Hopefully they fix this for you. I'm done with Kia
@@denisemartin3603 The dealership has helped. they changed the oil to 5W30 and so far it has not used any. The problem with synthetic oil is that it is a great lubricant. Those same properties that allow it to lubricate so well allow it to seep by the rings. Especially since KIA seems to be running lower tension rings at least in their non-turbo engines. I have found a supplier for standard oil in 5W20 and will change back to that next oil change. I never had this problem with standard engine oil. I know it's not as fantastic as synthetic, but I normally change my oil at 4,000 miles so I am not worried, that has always worked for me.
my dad switched the from synthetic to conventional bc the engine kept eating it up and it does seem to last longer. I also get my oil changed b4 the suggested time as well
A lot of your issues is that it is a gdi engine. The fuel is injected directly into the cylinder which causes a few issues. Your valves
get dirty because the gasoline doesn't clean them. Because it is injected directly into the cylinder, it has to be injected at a higher pressure. The gasoline washes down oil in the cylinder and causes the compression rings to wear more which causes more oil to burn and the oil to become diluted. As more miles are put on the oil becomes more diluted and vaporizes easier and starts to leave through your PCV system. This is why the oil usage slows when you do an oil change. Unfortunately the oil usage occurs with any gdi engine regardless of manufacturer. I bought a 2023 Kia Soul but Kia went back to multi port fuel injection on my engine or I would not have bought it. Unfortunately there are very few transmission options on new vehicles. I of course would rather have a 6 speed automatic transmission or even a 6 speed manual. I must say though, we took a 350 mile round trip and I averaged 44 mpg with the AC on! Also,at my old job we had purchased 3 trucks with Cummins engine that were powered by CNG. Each of the trucks used 1 gallon of engine oil each day with an average of 8 hours running. Cummins said that was normal !!!!!
Mazda has GDi engines since 2014 and have none of these problems, but they have some sort of system to prevent gasoline from getting into the oil.
Yes those older 4-cylinder engines used by Hyundai and Kia were problematic. The reason they use a different design and engine..
@@wildbill6366
I'm glad to see that they fixed it going forward. Too bad there are so many of us dealing with the old engine and it's massive oil use. If they would step up and take care of this issue, with a recall, I would actually consider purchasing Kia vehicles once again. Thanks for the comment and for watching.
We bought our 2016 Kia Forte in September of 23, it's now May of 24, and it was using about 1 qt of oil every 500 miles. The car was out of warranty. So this is how I fixed it:
I pulled the coil packs and plugs out and then sprayed Seafoam into the cylinders and let it sit overnight. The next day I cranked the motor just a bit to move the pistons. I had some left over PB Blaster so I put that into the cylinders too. I let that sit for 2-3 days. I cranked the motor a bit to push the fluid out of the cylinders, then I put the coils/plugs back in and drove it pretty hard for about 10-15 minutes. I changed the oil and filter then I put about 300 miles on it and the oil is still at the top of the dipstick. I think the PB Blaster (it's a penetrant) got into the piston rings and freed them up. I did a compression test on all 4 cylinders, readings were around 170 psi, 110 is the minimum. Mileage has improved by 3-4 MPG too.
I've heard that Berrymans does a good job as well.
This is a job the average shade tree mechanic can do. I check the oil in my cars every month. If you notice oil usage. Do the soak on a weekend. Pull the plugs Friday after work and let it soak until Sunday.
That's great info. We just changed our oil every time it needed any (about 1000 miles or so) for almost a year. It's not using as much now. We are still getting rid of it after it's paid off, and will never get another Kia.
Well it didn't cure our issue completely, but made it use less oil then before.
Again, thank you for your input on this issue.
The problem with burning oil in kia cars is the pcv line......
Look at your car engine .
Where this line go.
This pcv line go from your engine valve cover to intake..
Intake is sucking oil from your valve cover When you drive.
Then oil burns in cylinders.
The intake is working as A vaccum is sucking air.
Disconect pcv line from your intake.conect this line hose to OCC. Plug the intake with rubber cap with clamp.
Install OCC with breather..
And you will never have The problem with your oil. Again .
I did this way and dont have The problem with oil .for 30.000 miles.
Before my kia Rio used 1 gallon oil every month.
Plus burning oil will make the catalyc convertor dirty..same with 02 sensor fuel injector and spark plugs..
It will cost you 50.00 us.
Buy OCC oil catch can with breather. 2-3 ft 3/8 Fuel line hose. plus clamps.
Plug the intake with rubber cap with clamp.
And you will drive with smile..
I used to work on heavy duty semi truck engines. Diesel engines.
Like CAT C-15 ,Cummins N-14.Detroit diesel 60 series.
This engines they are similar to cars engines.
The diesel heavy duty engines.
They have valve cover splash
Cover with breather tube.
This tube line goes from engine top cover to the ground..
If you put to much oil. The engine going to push out the oil by this tube..eveything going to ground on asphalt.
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Why the kia made this way.
Put pcv line and conect to intake.
Car engine Dont need oil in cylinders to run.
Only small engines like chainsaws needs mix oil +gasoline..
It is very Simple. Money .
The problem starts when your car gets 50.000 Miles and up.Because this going to kill your engine parts.
And you going spent A lot of money on parts..A lot of Money. .
You going to be regular customer for dealer parts department and service department..😎😎😎..
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They know what they did it..
They are very smart...
So you must be smarter ...
It is easy to fix..
Exact same thing is happening to ours too.
I feel for you. It sucks to spend this much on a car, to have it end up being junk, and there's not much you can do about it. I will never purchase another and as said in this video, I really hope this video goes viral so hopefully no one eles will make the mistake of purchasing a Kia.
Bought my daughter the same car. At about 100k the car was burning massive amounts of oil and started stalling on the road. Kia said there was nothing wrong with the engine but that the catalytic converter needed to be replaced. She took it to have the cat replaced and the mechanic said it melted inside. I'm convinced that something is wrong inside the engine because oil just doesn't burn without cause.
Yep. The issue is the design of these engines. The fuel is shot directly into the piston from the injectors. Not into the manifold, but directly into the cylinder it self. It's an issue they know about.
I had the same..it tooks me 2 years to find out.
The problem is the pcv line.
The pcv line go to intake.
Intake is sucking oil from your valve cover When you drive.
This the way oil get to cylinders.
Burning oil makes more smog.
This smog will kill your car catalyc convertor.
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Dont trust any dealer mechanic. They dont care about customer. They cook s....
It cost me 2000.00 usd to find out. What is the problem with burning oil in kia..
I replaced catalyc convertor 3 Times in 1 year.plus more parts.
You need to buy OCC .
Oil catch can plus 3/8 2-3 ft fuel line hose plus clamps. .
Disconect pcv line from your intake. Conect this line to OCC.
Plug the intake with rubber cap with clamp..
It will cost you 50.00.
And you will never have The problem with oil in your car engine again.
The super brains from kia made this way because they can make more Money on selling parts..
@@mocnyjakniedzwiedz thanks for letting me know about this. I'm definitely going to keep this in mind if the daughter report oil loss again.
@@Xgamerdad...
No problem sir...
I had this problem when the car had 60.000 miles.
It cost me 2000 usd. Now got 97.000 and no problem with oil burning.
@@mocnyjakniedzwiedz
It's not the PCV system in our car. Already checked that and replaced just to be sure. Still does it .
Lots of power usually means sparks but that don't happen till like 150000 miles. I feel for you dad Great video
We called them and they are telling us that it's normal. We will never get another Kia. Ever..
@@HayesTech im having same issue with my 2018 Kia soul!! 77k !!
They did an oil consumption test at 1K and it burned 1/2 qt and said it was normal. 😡. I called hotline..still waiting. I talked to manager at my dealership and she said its normal per KIA. I take it in every month to have oil topped off even though they tell me i do nit need to top off oil. Should I let the engine burn up since under warranty? I hate this
@@denisemartin3603 no... If you let your engine to bad because the oil was too low, Kia will say it was good fault for not checking your oil. Your damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don't. And they know it.
@@HayesTech I was on their Facebook today complaining and they told me to Google and read my owner's manual..lol
@@denisemartin3603
Yep. They don't care.
I really got lucky with my 2013 Soul+ (2.0) with a manual transmission because it has the MPI engine and not the gdi. It has around 100k miles and has given me zero problems. I have the oil changed every 3-4k miles and check the level every couple weeks. It doesn't burn a drop. My friend has a 2014 and has had nothing but problems since it hit around 50k miles, burning oil, etc. Just a mess. An expensive mess.
I wish we had the one you got.
112,000 miles on my 2016 1.6 L Soul and doesn't use any oil. Changed every 5,000 miles full synthetic and mostly highway miles.
Same here with the treatment and oil changes, except I change every 3500 miles. Looks like parts assembly or even steal and aluminum quality issues?
"Vehicles nowadays are made to use oil."
No, Kia, that's a lie. You just made defective engines.
I have a 2006 Ford F-150 with 175,000 miles on it, and I've driven it hard. It uses less than half a quart of oil in 3000 miles, and that's mostly because it has a very slight leak. This is just sad, Kia.
Yep. My Nissan Frontier uses no oil at all and it has a little over 100, 000 miles on it now.
Well, my Kia was getting every oil change up-to-date and somehow it was still going to bone dry and ended up seizing my engine without me even knowing it was bone dry as I just had it at the mechanic where they checked all my fluids and fix my timing belt But little did they tell me that my engine was bone dry with no oil
I just had to admit to myself, that my 2015 Kia soul is basically a two-stroke. I added at least 3 quarts of oil, between each oil change, which I do at 3000 miles. I should look into buying some expansion chambers for it, to get it to go faster.
@@chrisfrandsen4201
Lol... I never thought of it that way. I actually had some improvements with ours, but it was tedious to do. Basically we changed the oil and filter, as soon as it used a quart of oil. It took about 6 to 8 months but we noticed it was going longer and longer between oil changes until we were getting our normal 3500 miles between oil changes without more than a half quart loss. I don't know how long it's going to last but I'm hoping a few year or at least until we get rid of it before having it reverts back to using massive oil.
Bottom line is these engines are trash. And they used cheap oil rings and other parts in these engines.
We have nearly identical circumstances and results. Just comp!eyed a 1,000 mi. oil consumption test. Hope we have better results when we go back to dealer.
I hope you do too. I'm not feeling too good about this issue getting fixed though.
I had the PCV valve replaced and I'm going to post how that goes, here in the comments.
@@HayesTechAt least yours didnt go bone dry and seize your engine like it did for me and after it seized the entire oil pan split a crack where all the oil now spills out... Its at dealership as they are going back and forth with Kia dealership and Kia manufacturer......
and on top of that they extended the engine warranty for the 2.0 and 2.4L but since mine is 1.6 L they were giving me issues with the warranty and denied my goodwill fix from the dealership and now it's escalated through the manufacturer to see if they will override the denied goodwill fix and replace my engine.... Its their fault for this LEMON!
They need ANOTHER CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT ON THIS OUL CONSUMPTION MAJOR ISSUE!!!!!
I never had a seized engine in all the years I drove and KIA OIL CONSUMPTION ISSUE HAS SEIZED MY ENGINE!
I have no transportation now and need to get to WORK!!!! I HATE YOU KIA!!!!!!!!!!
Pennzoil 5w30 platinum should help slow down the oil consumption
If its normal, then why did it not do it brand new and through your 91,000 mile journey? Sounds like the PCV valve needs and a deep carbon cleaning may help?
We've change the PCV valve already and that did nothing. It's a motor design issue.
@@HayesTech did you check for carbon buildup up on the intake valves?
@@porkchopz120
No. I have no way to do that. Not without removing major parts from the engine. And with me only having one usable side of my body, from my second stroke, doing it myself is out of the question.
@@HayesTech yea it’s quite labor intensive. You could try the CRC or equivalent intake valve cleaner sprays. Spray through intake tract after the MAF. It may help, but it most likely needs a deep carbon clean. Worth a shot
@@porkchopz120
We are just going to keep changing the oil when we notice it using oil. Then we are going to get rid of the piece of crap car..lol
There is a recall for the 1,6L engine btw
For the soul
Commenting for the algorithm I have a 2016 started doing the same thing. I bought it new. I started to notice maybe around 120k miles
Thank you. I do appreciate you commenting. That's crazy how many people have had this issue. I can't believe this isn't a massive call back from Kia. We will never purchase another Kia.
Kia and hyundai are the same company. Ive had 3 sonatas, all of them with GDI motors, 2 of them the engine blew due to no oil and no oil light ever came on, my current 1 is burning 3-4 quarts every 600 miles and is back at the dealership as i type this. This is not normal!
See... I completely agree that it is not normal. Good luck to you with your car, I know I will never get another Kia or Hyundai.
Kia definitely needs to be sued for this oil consumption problem and this is ridiculous my engine is seized please someone make a class action lawsuit again on them
Have you tried checking/replacing the pcv valve? Give that a shot
@@MrRomero.A
Yes I did. And thank you for the suggestion, as in some cases, that does solve the issue. But it did not fix mine.
Working with dealerships I can tell you that they many use the cheapest they can purchase. Many dealerships do not use a quality product. They believe that The brand indicates quality. Unless you see the product opened and check the specs you can 't be sure what you are getting. I would send samples to our lab for analysis and would get phone calls saying it should not be used in a modern engine. . Let the buyer be ware
I have a 2013 kia soul with 155,000 miles. It burns about half a quart of oil per week. All I do is fill it up at the end of the week and keep it moving. Car is paid off and 2 quarts of oil cost about $10 per month. Everything else on the car works fine. I figure $10 expense cost less than a car payment. I have bundle of paper funnels and 2x5qt of oil in the truck.
That's awesome. And i completely agree that you can run these cars for a long, long time. But it shouldn't be this way. Not for what they cost. Good luck to you and like you, I'll be checking my oil regularly until it's paid off. Then I'll be getting something other than a Kia.
change the pcv vale is what iv heard to do to help stop burning oil
I actually did that about 3000 miles ago and it did not help
My GDI 2016 2.0 4 cylinder non turbo Kia forte with 140k on it is burning oil, I don't have the exact amount, but, at its worst before I started using "Restore" in it, in a week's worth of normal driving, it'd use at least half of the dipstick, usually more. The Restore, once set in after a few hundred miles, stopped or nearly stopped the oil burning. But it returned the other week. I added 2oz more of Restore and it stopped it for a few weeks. Added some more yesterday, and half a quart of 5w-30 instead of the usual 5w-20 specced oil. I may need to move to at LEAST 5w-30, but will more than likely go 5w-40 Shell Rotella since it's a great price at walmart here. I really got screwed on this car, I still have 3 years left paying on it... I can certainly limp it along with my know-how, but, it sucks. Probably will never go kia again, and will especially avoid GDI engines. My old 90s truck doesn't even use this much oil... I've ordered some Liqui Moly Motor Oil Saver on the off-chance it's the valve stem seals, and can try the CRC GDI Intake cleaning spray stuff too but if those don't fix it I think I'm just screwed. Just an average joe living check to check and wouldn't be able to afford an engine overhaul normally nonetheless with me still having a car payment on top of the problem currently lol. Changed the PCV and it didn't help. Car drives fine to me. I'm not a heavy footer though, I just go the speed limit. If I had known these problems inherent to GDI engines beforehand I would have never gotten this car. No check engine light either. I guess it wouldn't hurt to run a can of Berryman's B12 in the gas tank since it's so cheap or do a Seafoam treatment at some point but I've already done a few Gumout Regane high mileage treatments and it didn't fix stuff, even did a bottle of Redline SL-1 and it didn't stop stuff.
I would definitely change your PCV valve, if you haven't already. These Kia engines do use more oil then others, that's a fact, but using as much as mine was is way too much. After replacing my PCV valve is gone back to about 1/2 quart every 750 miles. I will keep my eye on this though and keep reporting back and posting here.
Bottom line is this, don't purchase a Kia, at any price.
@@HayesTech thanks, unfortunately a new pcv didn’t work. We’re gonna try to get a new engine due to the recalls but I’m not holding my breath after seeing other people having hell getting them to warranty the engines. I think the best I can do is use a thicker oil and some additives and limp it along until it’s paid off and get rid of it
@@SolidSnake4Ever2003
Thats what we plan to do. Just keep an eye on the oil until it's paid off and then dump it for anything other than a Kia.
Change the PCV valve about every 60k miles, these engine create a lot of oil pressure and it often sprays into areas of the engine were it wouldn't normally be, I changed the valve and it was fine.
I will try that and see if it helps. But as for oil leaking out any where, there is none.
I made sure the engine was clean, which it's always kept clean, and there isn't any oil anywhere. None. But I will change that out, it couldn't hurt.
And again, the KIA shop is still telling us that engines today are designed to use oil. That's directly from KIA.. lol..
Anyways, thank you very much for this input. And I will be changing the PVC valve to make sure it's not that.
This is BS , I have the same issue and changing the PCV valve does nothing .
Yep my 2017 use's 1 Quart every 1000, miles ,the oil changing place I use told me that the car would really use oil and that was told to them about the kia how a car company can get away with this is really sad and as the old saying goes NOW buy American !!!!cost more but in the long run you will save money over any foreign car, and provide more jobs for Americans
think about it.
I couldn't agree more. Again, I will never own another Kia and will do my best to deter others from "going Kia" .
And KIA says that is normal!!!!
Have a 2011 kia soul over 100,000 miles have never had to add oil between oil changes.
@@jameslong4453
That's awesome. Then you got a very well built engine in your Kia.
That sounds like my jeep Patriot it does the same thing it has 150,000 miles on it but my F-250 has 245,000 and never used any oil no wonder I like Fords
Yeah that's not normal that's the second generation Kia has that problem. I have a 2010 Kia soul and I only burned 1 quart every 5000 miles. The car currently has 410,000 miles
I've heard that too, about the older ones. That's why we wanted to try a Kia.
I'm going to replace the PVC valve, it goes in this Friday for that, as I've heard this helps.
But our car uses a lot of oil. Maybe a quart, in 5000 miles, I can see but not 3 quarts.
Oh, and now the "check oil" light is coming on and the oil isn't low. They are going to look at that next week. These things are junk.
The PVC valve is a gunking up because of other problems. I don't believe the PVC should be dumping directly on the back of the intake valves. If you run these engines for long commutes duty they'll last a lot longer because the vapors dripping onto the the Pistons creat a varnish that tears up the rings. As the valves get carboned up the vapors aren't as likely to burn off or get stuck. The remedy might be to install a catch can and it wouldn't hurt to use a little fuel treatment that's made for GDI engines. Between oil changes.
I think you probably want a warm these up to operating temperature before you push them as well....
The reciprocating assemblies in those are engineered and assembled with such fine tolerances that little problems can escalate quickly.
I replaced it already. That's the first thing we tried. But thanks so much for the comment.
@@HayesTech Over All I've been blessed with good luck with my KIAs not a bad value for dollar considering we used to have to do tune-ups at 12 to 15,000 miles. We would have to replace alternators, starters, exhaust systems, suspension components brakes drums wheel cylinders up to four or five different belts with different tension specifications. And maybe a radiator. All before 100,000 miles. Sometimes the parts you replace lasted longer than the originals sometimes they didn't. Heck you were lucky to get a 100,000 mi out of a lot of cars. And youd likely be dumping at least a quart or two of oil listen to the engine between the three or four thousand mile oil changes.
You might even change transmission at less than 100,000 MI Don't forget you'd be lucky if your master cylinder would last that long as well. Might even have to replace radiator.. The worst I've done with my KIAS is 140,000 miles with a 2.4.. had I put a catch can on it I could have pushed that car to probably at least 200,000 miles without any problems.
@@HayesTech I understand if it's a bearing or connecting rod related issue it's covered.
Had same oil consumption issue with 2015 Kia forte after alot back and forth they changed the motor and now there is a full recall on those motors.
Had also purchased 2020 Kia Optima now having the same issue after 60,000 miles dealer is giving same BS that it is normal to consume quart of oil every 1,000. WTF?. After 4,000 miles there would be NO oil in the car if not constant adding oil.
Completely agree. And I don't know why there hasn't been any recall on these engines yet. Just in this video there are enough comments to show that there is an issue with these engines using oil.
Btw.. the 6 cylinder kia models don't use oil between oil changes ..
@@wildbill6366
Now that is awesome news. And yes, they are a different type of fuel management system than whats on the 1.6ltr, direct fuel injection, engines that come standard in the cheaper Kia Soul models.
My 2014 seized up at 85624 miles. Not a drop of oil or dummy light coming on after 1800 miles full synthetic oil.
Was it covered by the warranty? At that milage it should have been.
I don't blame hardworking folks who dare NOT touch any Kia or Hyundai vehicle. With the massive bill they shouldered from the engine failure fiasco plus other major safety recalls, guess who will foot the bill eventually?
We have a 2015 Kia Sorento and at 140K miles it started burning a quart of oil every 750 miles. Expect the same thing on your Kia soul. Right now it’s not to bad if your burning a quart every 1500 miles.
I think the only reason it lasts (sometimes) to 1500 miles is because I change it. I think unburned gasoline is getting by the piston rings and then draining into the oil. Just a thought. Again, some times it's only good for about 1000 miles. Either way, once I see that it's using oil, I change it. Bottom line is, these motors are junk and Kia knows it. It's a shame something can't be done about it. As I've said many times though, I'll never purchase another Kia, ever.
Thank you for this video. Im in need of a car and saw this kia online and wondered the reviews on this car. I know some one with a 2012 kia car with over 2000k miles and only done the basic maintenance. I taught this one might last long but I guess not.
What used vehicle do you recommend buying??
As far as used vehicles, any Buick LeSabre, Century or even some Chevy cars ( front wheel drive ) with the V6 3800 engine, should rack up many, many miles.
Those cars have the very reliable 3800 V6 GM engine. It's a good car and engine combo. On the highway it could get up to 30mpg and about 22mpg in the city. And it has about 200hp. That's not hot rod performance but plenty of power for those cars.
They are also very comfortable to ride in and drive. (I recommend the LeSabre with a leather interior ). Or even the Park Avenue, as long as it has that engine in it ( the 3800 V6 ) will make for an outstanding car.
As far as Kia goes, we may have got a bad one, and most are actually good cars.?? Who knows... But to get that kind of response, from a Kia service technician, makes me believe that they just don't care. And from my research into this issue, I've found that this is not an isolated incident. It's happened so many times that there have been several videos made about this oil consumption issue and Kia's response to it. So with that, I cannot recommend a Kia to anybody.
I sold my Buick Century with over 160k and it's still running for that person today. The thing is, if you keep up with oil changes and general maintenance, those cars will last a very long time. And if you have to replace engine parts, they are one of the cheapest cars to have serviced. That engine, in those cars, is very reliable. I wish I still had that Buick.
Thanks for sharing. I only wish I'd have seen before I bought our 2018 KIA Soul. Have the exact same issues . Mileage is 70K. Absolutely ridiculous
Did you replace your PCV valve yet? It definitely helped some. It's not perfect but it doesn't use oil as bad as it did before changing that valve. It's cheap and fairly easy to replace
Same issue 2017 and now with a seized engine😢
Man...:( I purchased my 2017 Kia Soul Plus used with ~25,000 miles. I really love the car. I've maintained it in great condition and was hoping to drive this baby another 50,000 miles at least. For me it's comfy, easy to drive, maneuverable, and spacious for a compact SUV. The shape of the car is practical and lets me use all of the interior and makes it easy to load things on top, like my kayaks. It's been a great car and now has 97,500 miles. However, it has started using oil - about a quart per 1,000 miles. It did get low a few times before I realized how bad the problem was. Now I am checking it regularly and topping it off between oil changes. What I am wondering is - as long as I top it off will it be OK? Or should I trade it in now before the engine fails or the oil consumption gets worse? I have never smelled oil burning or seen a leak. When I called Kia they gave me the "a quart per 1,000 miles is normal" speech. Since I bought it used I am not covered by the original warranty but I am part of the extended warranty that came from the lawsuit. I'm not sure what this really means; would I be covered if there was a catastrophic engine failure? On another note: I've had both rear wheel speed sensors fail in the past year. Anybody else?
Your situation is almost exactly what mine was. And it started about 70,000 miles. We always changed our oil no more than 3500 miles too. It started to use oil just like you, and just like you, when we confronted Kia about this issue (and we were still under warranty) they basically said the same thing to us, "that is normal oil usage for this type engine". We are now well over 90,000 miles, and out of our warranty, and our car uses 3 to 4, or more, quarts between oil changes. We had the PCV valve replaced and no fix. So what we do now is when we use 1 quart or 2, at the most, we just change our oil. We are hoping it will last until we own it outright . We have about a year to go. We should have never financed it. I'll be trading it in as soon as it's paid for and I'll never get another Kia. And don't get me wrong I love the car. It's very snappy and runs like a dream. It just uses a lot of oil and we have to keep our eye on it. Steer clear of Kia.
It's be taking to the dealer and having a stern conversation with the production line of where the was made
They are telling us that this is normal though...lol... Normal ???...lol
My cousin drives a Kia soul and he is starting to see this oil consumption. These numbers are atrocious! It burns way too much oil. I actually thought my old 2008 Lexus IS250 burned a lot. With that car when I check the dipstick after 3k miles driven and the oil level shows on the low dot. From that first dot on the dipstick to the top full dot it’s one quart so my burn is like 1 quart every 3k miles or so. Anyhow, wow. KIA. I won’t get one lol
Yes, I wouldn't mind 1 quart every 3000 miles. Some vehicles just use a little oil. But the amount these Kia Souls are using is very bad. By the way, I'm a huge Cadillac fan and owned 2 in my life and loved both of them. I had a 98 El Dorado and an 02 DeVille.
In between regular oil changes my 2017 kia went to Bone Dry without any Leaks and now Im dealing with a seized engine that the dealership told me it would cost $8500 to fix it which cost more then the value of my car 😢
I have a case escalated with the 800# kia
@@ashgaming7045
You have to check your oil at least once a week, depending on your mileage. We also change our oil every 1000 too 1500 miles now. It's stupid to do but it's the only thing that's keeping us from ruining the engine
All those poor people stuck with those lemons!!!
Yep. That is crazy. You would think there would be a recall.
I found a technical service bulletin about this. It says that "Normal" is 1 qt of oil per 1000 miles.
thats the way my kia 2016 is. I notice cause i travel that when i accelerate alot i burn. But if i drive it normal for until the next oil change. It will last before i even put a drop of oil about 2,300 miles then ill put half of quart. Yes it is a nice car but like i told them and those stupid people from kia said that its normal. Please we all know that is not normal. But we always have stupid people who just sale what they dont know nothing of to us.
I replaced the PCV valve, after some extensive research, and that actually did help a lot. It's still not perfect but its not using 4 to 5 quarts of oil between oil changes. It's down to about 1 1\2 quarts per 3,500 miles now.
@@HayesTech same i change that and as well the gasket. Made alot of different just dont like that it waste that much oil. But i do travel alot
@@CloudMota
Yep. Like I said in the video, I will never own another KIA. They are absolute garbage.
@@HayesTech true that!!
If they told someone you had to add a quart of oil every 2 thousand miles no one would buy them.
@@marvinbowen223
Couldn't agree more...
I hear ya ....! Valvaline has a new oil out now for this now. Restore & Protect. So far it's worse ! Think I'll keep going with it..,, it may take 4 changes .
Could you imagine TAking the L. A Freeway to work with these cars. Probably run out before you get to work. BTW... They start ON FIRE TOO
I have a Sorento, lost the engine, now I'm adding oil every 250 to 300 miles, burning oil.
First Kia and last one, I told everyone I know don't buy Kia.
I'm a uber driver and a lot of people change their mind about purchasing a Kia.
I couldn't agree with you more. They are absolute junk. And changing out the PCV valve does, or did nothing, to fix this issue for my car. It's a bad engine design and they know it.
I did everything to fix it, but nothing worked. The funny thing the dealer told me a car without an engine is worth $500. Joke.
@@djinos4603
That's a kick in the teeth from Kia. Again, I'll never own another one.
I picked up a client. First thi g she said donyou like your Sorento, after telling her my story. She let me know that she bought a 2012 Sorento. After 3 weeks, she had an engine problem and she was hoping the dealer will refund her her money or give her another car.
Don’t buy any cars that have Gas Direct Injection and you won’t have to worry about it.
Oh man, mine is the same problem, now that I pass more than 100K I have to spend 3Q too every month, I did change the oil valve, change spark plus, did an oil treatment for the engine and you right no lique, and still expending on oil.
Yep. I just change my oil now every 1,000 to 1,500 miles. As soon as I notice a quart of oil is needed, I add the oil and then change it out, along with the filter, as soon as I can.
@HayesTech I did the oil change on February 5th this month, and yesterday, the oil light started flashing, drove long distance this month
@@elgonz12
Yep, these engines are junk. I'll never get another Kia
agree the engines are a completed junk @@HayesTech
@@elgonz12
And that sucks too, because I really do like the car. It's too bad. But this whole engine oil usage issue, and them not willing to fix the issue, put a bad taste in my mouth for Kia
We had a 2017 Kia Sorento and had the same problem what you are say that it consumed too much engine oil one time I was i checking the engine oil and it was short 3 quarters of oil add oil to it next thing we went out of town the next day and on the way back home the check engine light turn on and took it the dealership and I told them what was going on and see if it meets Kia Motors criteria if the engine needs replaced meant but next thing the dealership told me it did not meet Kia Motors criteria and the reason the check engine was on is because lack of compression on cylinder number 4 and the suv had only 93,000 miles in it Kia cars are nothing but junk and don't back up their warranty.
Yep. We had almost the exact same issue. But they told us that modern motors all use oil and we have to keep an eye on it. So yes. They know the engines are junk and they didn't care. Stay away from Kia products. I can only tell you to trade it in ASAP.
I have a 2018 Kia Sportage and I went through the three oil consumption checks and the first 2 oil consumption checks my car burned 1 1/2 quarts of oil which is in 1000 miles and after the third check my car burned 1 quart of oil in 1010 miles and they told me that my car is fixed! Yeah my car is fixed and I was on the cusp of needing a new engine but Kia decided I did not need a new engine that my car is fine. my car is not fine. I have to add oil after 2500 miles because my oil light comes on. I’m not a mechanic, but I do know that is not normal. I will never ever buy another Kia again. My car was still with an warranty under 100,000 miles. I went through these games with Kia to inconvenience myself to bring this car and three times for them to only told me they will not honor their product. Not to mention I also have a 2018 Kia optima which I bought from the same dealership and has the same problem. Do not buy a Kia! They do not back their product or their customers! I talk to a lot of people and apparently this is a big problem. When I get a oil change and talk to the mechanics, they all tell me that all of the kids that come in for an oil change are very low on oil.
So sorry to hear. But I completely understand. They also would not repair mine, under warranty, and said mine was normal oil usage for the car. So the same issue as you. I check the oil now, once a week. Once I see we are starting to use oil, at about 1000 to 1500 miles, I change it. Yes, it's expensive, but my wife still owes money on it and we can't afford to have it blow up the engine. Once this case is paid off, we will be trading it in on a better car. And the new car will not be a Kia.
One quick recommendation.. Do not wait till you get a warning light on the dash, to check the oil. When that light goes on, it's too late. Your oil level is so low that your oil pressure is almost non existent. The only way to keep your engine from blowing up is to check your oil. I recommend at least once a week.
I like the idea of the Soul and like the new ones but yeah this stuff scares me away. Anyone experienced this on the current generation?
Oil burning in a car shouldn't be an issue until at least 100k miles or more. Thats just a pathetic excuse by Hyundai/Kia to get out of fixing their oil burning engines.
Couldn't agree more...
Change your PCV valve it will stop using oil, it has to be changed every 30K miles or so, my wife's 2014 Kia Soul did the same thing , no leaks just burnt the oil like yours
Already changed it and it didn't work. No change at all.
This is stupid! I have 4 vehicles with over 200K and none use oil. This is a perfect warning not to buy Kia
Yes it is... Exactly why I made this video. Kia is garbage.
I'm pretty sure that the 1.6L doesn't have a pcv valve. If it does and you've never changed it, you should do so. If I'm correct and you don't have a pcv valve, your problem is probably due to stuck piston oil control rings. There are UA-cam videos showing how to free up the rings with "piston soaks" but there is a much easier method of freeing these rings.
Add Berryman Chemtool to an empty gas tank. Fill the tank with the highest octane gas. Drive five miles with the RPMs below redline but around 5000-5500. This will generate the heat necessary to free up the oil control rings so that they function properly again.
Your excessive oil consumption will go away.
It does have a PCV valve and it was changed. That procedure, you mentioned, may fix the pistons rings (if that's the issue) but I don't trust it won't blow up the engine. It's almost paid off now and as soon as it is, we are trading it in on another car. And it won't be a Kia
I do appreciate your comment though. And I agree about the piston oil rings may be sticking. From what I've researched that's the main issue. I've also watched videos where they drain the oil and add that clear stuff in the engine, instead of the required oil that the car normally uses, and run the engine at a high RPM, for several minutes. Then drain it out and add fresh oil and a newa new filter. But I've also seen where a few engines were damaged from this procedure.
I'm sure those few engines, they were damaged from this procedure, already had some damage already. Our car's engine runs great and is very quiet and doesn't smoke yet. So ours would probably be a good candidate for that procedure. But as I said before, we are not putting any more money into it. We will be getting another car. Thanks again for the comment.
You're welcome! I hope that you have no problems with your next vehicle. Thanks for your video!
Check the oil pressure switch
That was cheched when they checked and changed the PCV valve last year. I appreciate all the tips and tricks but bottom line is these engines have a known issue. Its very well documented too. Kia just needs to own up to their mechanical mistakes.
All that burning oil will defintely foul the catalytic convertor over time. How do I know? I had a 2012 Kia Soul with 221,000 miles with the same issue. The catalytic converter got ruined. I mechanically totaled the car. Was a pretty good car, except for the engine oil burning issue. Trust me, I won't ever buy a Kia or Hyundai again. Only Toyota or Honda for me from now on.
Ummm no it’s I’ve heard it’s something to do with the rings something about carbon buildup in the rings and the piston doesn’t go down like it should and the oil is going burning somewhere I don’t know
Yes, it has something to do with the piston rings too. These motors, with this design, are junk. Stay away from them.
We are having the same problem with our 2017 Soul. At 60K Kia replaced the transmission. Now we are burning oil and the dealer "assessment " says there's nothing wrong. No warning lights today, car was running weird, checked the oil. Level was almost empty. WTAF Kia?
Yep. We have to be very diligent in checking the oil in this car. As I said before this is the reason I will never purchase another Kia... Ever !!!! And I can't recommend them. Of all the videos I've uploaded, this one is the only one that I wish would go viral. That way this information would get out to more people.
I could see it if they were trying to do something about it but to tell us that "this is normal" and send us on our way, is very unprofessional, in my opinion.
Also, there is no way to check the transmission fluid levels either... Who does that? Again, don't purchase a Kia...
Just look at the comment that I had pinned before changing the pinned comment to yours. It's the same issue that we are having and more.. Much more. So this is not an anomaly.
I pinned this comment because this gets right to the heart of whats really going on at Kia and their repair procedures.
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Yup, this is also happening to all of Hyundai with the 1.6 & 2.0 GDI engines.
Those dam idiots at Hyundai & Kia service department have to say this is normal or they will lose their jobs. This is total BS. No car burns 1 quart of oil in 1000 miles unless they have a massive leak.
The funny part is that they tell the customer to change the oil every 5,000 miles. If you purchase their service plan, it states 7500 miles oil change. So if you don't have oil in your the engine and it caused it to fail, they blame the customer for not having enough oil in the engine. Why isn't the sales people mentioning this when they are selling the cars to the customers? Yet, Kia / Hyundai Corp is allowing all the dealers to say this is normal.
They don't want to lose more money with this issue. The US should just band any of these cars to be sold here if they don't want to address this issue. That simple..
Yep. It's not just the Soul. I'll never own another Kia.
If it's starting to use oil baby the crap out of it you might get around 120,000 to 140,000 miles out of it. Seems to be what people who take pretty good care of them are getting out of them.
My engine finally let go at 140,000.
Up to that point it was the most trouble-free car I've ever owned. I literally spent nothing on at the normal maintenance. I've owned most brands. I installed a new engine with catch can hopefully that solves my problem to where I can get 200,000 + mi out of the new engine..
I’m on my fourth engine. 2017 Kia Soul, 120000 miles
4 engines? Thats unacceptable. Why haven't you dumped it?
I will never buy another KIA..there are to many complaints about the engine oil burning before it should. Very clever design by the manufacturer/engineers to sell us a new vehicle. Shame on them!!! They will surely lose their reputation once the word gets out.
Oh, the word is definitely getting out now.
It's a PCV valve. It should be replaced every 60,000 miles. It's a $15 part from the dealership, but have a reputable shop put it in - not the dealership.
We will soon see because mine was replaced after our last oil change. So far it's not looking good for Kia as I had to add a half quart of oil 2 times since the replacement. It's not quite as bad as it was before I replaced the PCV valve but it is still using oil.
lmao ah yes, the typical PCV valve excuse. No, its garbage engines with soft piston rings. Don't buy kias, they are for leasing the first 2-3 years, disposable cars.
@@Motorsportsgeek
Couldn't agree more.
I have a 2017 Kia Sorento with 125000 miles on and it’s burning 1 quart for every 500 miles .
Wow.. that's bad
Install OCC .Disconect pcv line from your intake. Plug the intake with rubber cap with clamp.
You will see. There will be no oil problem any more.
I did this way. Now i made 30.000 miles with no oil burning.
Very Simple to fix it.
Was it a 1.5L or 2.0 L have 2016 2.0 with 264k miles on it just now burns a lil oil. Tried replacing the pcv valve?
@@jennaemullins7612
Ours is the 1.5 direct injection..
Kia needed to give New Engines from 2014 on to today. They knew there Piston Rings were terrible and GDI Engines using GDI need to go. Kia needs to replace all these Engines
Agreed..
Bulletin, This is has to do with LOW TENSION piston rings. Supposed to get extra mileage. More manufacturers are utilizing low tension rings.
I know all about low-tension piston rings and KIA's (and other manufacturers) normal use of oil between changes. And I understand why it's like that. A lot of manufacturers are doing that to their lower-priced vehicles now. But the oil usage that we are having is way more than what they are saying is allowable with this system. We are using a quart of oil per about every 85 to 90 miles. That is unacceptable. Now if we were using a quart of oil to 1 1/2 quarts of oil per 3000 miles to 3500 miles (the time we go between normal oil changes) that would be within normal use for these cheaper motors.
Again, I am talking about a massive oil consumption issue as is many, many more owners. So many complaints that a class action law suit has been brought up against KIA.
@@HayesTech we need a class action lawsuit on this oil issue
The metal shavings shipped along with a brand new engine that didn't work out well in the long run.
So sorry to hear that. I'm done with Kia junk.
@@HayesTech Sorry. I was stating a fact. It's why Kia and Hyundia were ordered to replace 1.4 million engines. Their technically the same company and share the place the blocks are machined and assembled. They have a washing problem, and their not getting the metal out of the blocks and oil passages, and then assembling and shiping that to their customers. It's one of the reasons those vehicles have severe crankshaft bearing and timing chain issues. Thats why they start burning oil.
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Oh, I completely agree. And I've heard about the issues they've had. The issue I'm having is they keep telling me that it's normal and they won't do anything. So my only option is to get a lawyer and take them to court, to force the issue. But that will also cost me money I don't have. Believe me, if I had the money I would do it as a matter of principal. I know one thing for sure though and that is that I will never purchase another Kia.
@@HayesTech point your lawyer towards the settlement, if that's what they agreed to in court, they better honor it. You might have a case, look into it.
@@HayesTech it's sad really, they make some nice looking and driving cars, but their engines and transmission issues aren't doing them any favors or their customers either. Severe quality control issue costing the company more than it makes, not a really good business model to save a few bucks.
I have the same issue with my 2015 Kia Soul! It burns oil way too much every 1000 miles or sometime even less. Kia Motors doesn’t accept responsibility and says it’s normal.
Yep. That's exactly what they told us too. And ours was still under warranty when we made our first few complaints.
..No its not normal.
They made this way. They are liars..They know what they did it.
Because it give them profit..
The problem is pcv line.
This pcv line go from your engine valve cover splash cover to intake ..
The intake is working as A vaccum.
The intake is sucking oil from your engine by valve cover..when you drive. .
Oil gets to cylinder and burns..
This is the problem...
Disconect this pcv line from your intake and conect to OCC..
Buy OCC oil catch can with breather..buy 2-3ft 3/8 fuel line hose plus some clamps..
Install OCC plug intake with rubber cap with clamp.
This easy to fix.
It will cost you 50.00 usd...
If you keep this line .It will give more problem. The burning oil going to kills your catalyc convertor. O2 sensorssensorsinjector.spark plugs and many more. You going to get pain in the ass.😬😬😬...
bulletin says that year has soft block, burning through the rings, try a stabilizer like stp
I will definitely try that. But this is something I shouldn't have to do. I'm absolutely done with Kia. Thank you very much for this tip, as we still have another year to go, to pay it off.
Toyota will tell you a 4 cylinder using a quart every 1000 miles is normal.
That's crazy. My 2012 Nissan Frontier, with over 100,000 miles, use no oil at all (in the 3,500 miles or so between oil change). I can see a quart between oil changes but not more than that. Bottom line is this, check your oil regularly.
Yep I got a 2019 Kia Sportage it's junk I use a qt q WK
There is a recall now. Just blew an engine to find out
I will definitely be looking into that. Thank you
Same problem with my Kia Optima
They should be forced to fix this.
i also would not buy kia again. also bought at the dealership as well.
Do not purchase Kia or Hyundai
Couldn't agree more. That's why I made this video too. To get the word out about what's going on with these junk engines. It wouldn't be bad if Kia took responsibility and fixed the issue under warranty but they refuse to acknowledge that this is even an issue.