Customer States Jiffy Lube refused to change my Oil - Sludge Factory Kia Forte
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2023
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Today, a buddy brought over his 2016 Kia Forte to have us take a look at it. Turns out he tried to get his oil changed at Jiffy Lube and they refused to change it. They told him it was a liability concern and they would not be taking on the risk. He claims he changed the oil 6k miles ago but we had our suspicions. Keep in mind the Kia only has 60K miles on it. We decided to help him out and tear off the valve cover to see what kind of mess he created. Follow along the journey as we tear apart the engine and discover the SLUDGE Factory inside.
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Just because a dealer or shop says they did an oil change doesn't mean they actually did it. My boss owned a Toyota Avalon that he loved. He was diligent about maintanance and had it dealer serviced for years. He was on vacation in Canada when his engine seized. A Toyota dealer in Canada told him the oil had never been changed. He pulled out all the maintanance invoices from his Toyota dealer which showed otherwise. He had to fight with Toyota before they finally relented and replaced his engine for free. I took this to heart and did my own oil changes from that point on. Trust no one.
What you say above may be true. The owner is an idiot. I always check my oil after an oil change. And new oil looks different then the old used oil you describe above.
@@bsgareylol… takes one to know one.
Thanks for the comments Nick, appreciate the feedback. The first red flag for us is that he was taking it to Jiffy Lube for an oil change. We get that some people don't have the tools or knowledge to perform these repairs themselves. That is why my kids and I started making these videos awhile back. We wanted to help the average Joe to be able to perform routine maintenance on their own cars and not have to take them to these questionable shops.
We have not and will not take our cars to any shop for any repair. One way or another we will figure out how to get it done right out there in the driveway.
Thanks again for hanging out, Cheers!
@@bsgareyIndeed good to check. But on many modern cars you simply cannot check anymore, while the is no dipstick. So people cannot check!
I do my own oil changes (with a flush with the same product) but on my current car: no dipstick, and there is a roster in the filler neck/hole (How do you call that in the US?) so that limits almost every self check. Nice work of Bradleys Garage though. Greetings from the Netherlands.
@@djhimself5754 Thanks for the comments DJ, appreciate the kind words. Glad you enjoyed the video, Cheers!
I’m proud of Jiffy lube! That was a no win oil change . The new oil will loosen just up more sludge , Spin a bearing and it would be Jiffy Lubes fault of course because it ran fine when he brought it in.
yup, fair is fair.
@@msmarshall854 never thought I'd be on jiffy lube's side.
Thanks for the comments John. We were surprised they actually looked under the oil cap before starting any work. Glad they told him he has a serious issue, topped off his oil and told him to drive straight to a mechanic.
Now that we got him all cleaned up, hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on routine car maintenance. Cheers!
Jiffy Lube is getting smarter, not taking on any liability which is smart. Cheers!
I recently installed a used engine into an older Forte. It ran great, but just 4 miles into the maiden voyage, I noticed the oil light on. I later determined that this would happen after winding it out. I could also hear the oil pump cavitating when the light came on. I pulled the pan and found the sludge that would get sucked into the pickup tube and plug it. I cleaned the pan, pickup tube, and the bottom of the engine and sent the engine on its way with the customer. It has been fine for a week now.
I am trying to work something out with the salvage yard to get a longer warranty on it.
The oil may have been changed 6k miles before it came to you but clearly it wasn't getting regular changes before that, sort of impressed it survived, l like the pace of your videos, enough detail without showing every nut and bolt every time
Thanks for the kind words, appreciate the feedback. Hard to know exactly how many miles since the last oil change but definitely seems like way more than 6k miles. We are thinking more like 12-15k miles sine the last oil change based on what the internals look like.
He has had it since around 30k and claimed to have changed the oil 4-5 during this period. I'm sure the cheap oil changes at Jiffy Lube did not help the situation.
Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage thanks for the video how ever i have 3 Toyotas and all three of Toyota gets an oil around 1000 thousand mile 1 thousand virtually every month
KIA's are notorious for burning oil. It doesn't matter what oil you put in, it burns it. Those things need a oil change every 3000 miles, no matter what.
wtf, damn you've got some money to throw in trash , mind throwing some my way?@@jameseverly8501
@@jameseverly8501 Why would you do that .-.
Kia gets a gold star for surviving the mistreatment and run without loss of a rod or bearing.
Thanks for the comments Malcolm, we were surprised that it turned out so good. After popping off that valve cover it did not look promising. Hopefully we have done enough to salvage the motor.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
I was surprised you didnt pull the pan the first time around, with that much of a build up in there. I was thinking to myself that the sludge is all going to clog the pickup, and sure enough. Other than that slight oversight, great job!
Looking back we probably should have just removed the oil pan when we first took off the valve cover. After seeing that much sludge on the top, it was inevitable the pan was just as bad. We were hoping the Liqui-Moly flush would break that down some but I think it's just too much to ask of any product.
We will check on the engine after a few hundred miles to see if it's burning any oil or has any other issues. We may need to do an additional flush (diesel/ATF) mixed with oil, depending on how things look. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
A good flush with kerosine, will breakup what’s in the pan, and usually clear sludge in the filter. I have had to flush engines 3-4 times in a row, in order to clear out sludge and coking. It’s cheaper than tearing down the engine, and usually works.
I have used a more diluted kerosine/oil mix (2 to 3qts oil to Kerosine) to treat really stubborn contaminations. You just have to be careful not to load the engine with the kerosine mix running through the lubrication system. I have heard of this being done with straight kerosine, although I have never done that myself.
@@tjhessmon4327 Thanks for the suggestions TJ, we will check on the engine after a few hundred miles to see if it's burning any oil or has any other issues. We may need to do an additional flush (diesel/ATF) mixed with oil, depending on how things look. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
Conventional oil ran too long. Hard lesson for someone either cheap or going to a deceptive shop.
@@smiley3303 Not sure what Jiffy Lube uses or has used in the past on this Kia. We just wanted to try to help clean things up for this kid. Cheers!
I inherited a Ford from my grandfather, who did not believe in oil changes. Even after the timing chain failed at 60K, he just didn't change the oil. It had a 5.8 with factory towing package and was fully loaded. I took a valve cover off and I couldn't even see the rocker arms! The engine only lasted another 20K miles before it broke a couple of pistons despite my desludging efforts.
Change your oil!
A grandfather who didn't believe in oil changes? We thought it was only the new generation who just throws everything away and buys a new one.
Hopefully the owner has learned a valuable lesson and understands the importance of routine engine maintenance moving forward.
Thanks again for the comments, Cheers!
I don't believe in gravity
@@BradleysGarageI’m 20 and do my own oil changes every 3,000-5,000 miles or once a year whatever comes first for my cars and my grandparents cars.
All our cars use 5W-30 and so I buy a 25L drum of it from Costco for about £60. So it comes to about £2.40/L. Each of our cars takes about 5L so that’s £12 each + ~£5 for a filter and ~£5 for a bottle of engine flush… total cost is about £22.
My 2012 manual diesel BMW e84 has 186,000 miles
My granddads 2005 Audi a3 has about 70,000
And my grandmothers 2011 Mini Cooper has 120,000 miles or so.
No real maintenance after that, takes me maybe 20 minutes to do each one. My grandad says it is excessive to change it every 5K, and would have his changed whenever the manufacturer specified (10,000/1 year) - but since I offer, he takes me up on it.
I've heard this from some rednecks that I've known. They would say "Oil can't go bad! Just top it up every so often! Oil changes are a scam!"
Just can't help some people...
@@iambenmitchellNice to hear that you look after your families cars as well.
I wouldnt use a flush every single time if you keep up with those tight intervals. Just warming up the car should be enough and saves money.
Thank you for actually showing this. It's an eye opener. I always thought that no matter how bad the engine is clogged up, an engine flush would fix it, but this video actually shows importance of maintaining your vehicle. Sometimes people skip out on oil changes and then when they have to pay the big bucks for a new engine then it's every one else's fault but their's.
Once again thank you very much!!!!!
Thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed the video. The owner is just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
It's amazing the car still ran.
That's the crazy part, you wouldn't even know there was an issue until you popped off that oil cap.
We will check on the engine after a few hundred miles to see if it's burning any oil or has any other issues. We may need to do an additional flush (diesel/ATF) mixed with oil, depending on how things look. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly.
Cheers!
I have been a mechanic since 1987. There are very few people I would trust to work on my vehicles. You would be one of them. Most hacks that do an engine flush do more harm than good. Taking the time to remove the valve cover and oil pan was the right thing to do. A+++. Hopefully for that Kia, you weren't too late
Thanks for the kind words, appreciate the feedback. We will check on the engine after a few hundred miles to see if it's burning any oil or has any other issues. We may need to do an additional flush depending on how things look. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
Personally I would have driven the car after the flush and oil change for 10-30 miles, then change the oil again (using cheap oil and filter for the first change), then have the guy come back after 500 miles to change it again.
Nice job on pulling the valve cover and pan... that was a good move.
@@BradleysGarage that is a risk with letting an engine suffer, then running a flush through. The only thing sealing the engine is the carbon around the valves, and/or the sludge in the oil rings and compression rings. While this is usually attributed to high mileage engines especially as far as carbon build up goes, an unmaintained low or lower mileage engine is in my opinion worse than a high mileage engine as far as potential wear goes.
I hope the engine survives, though the owner should be prepared to accept that all you did was return the engine as close as possible to where it should be as far as internal cleanliness and the ability for the oil to reach all parts that require lubrication goes. Any damage would have already been there, just not evident.
Either way, the engine should not suffer a catastrophic failure as quick as it would have if left alone.
PS, I should say I am not a mechanic, though I have repaired, rebuilt engines, serviced vehicles and dabbled in very minor panel work (my least liked part of automotive work). I prefer diagnostics these days.
Its already ruined and the customer is a Grade-A moron. It will need a rebuild or a new engine
just putting engine flush in would have plugged the filter and even with an oil change, that flush already broke up enough to plug the filter again in a few miles, he did it right, just need to take it apart and clean it
Sharp Jiffy Lube tech for catching that! Good job. I spect that filter saved the motor unless it was gummed enough to bypass. The new oil was so black after 50 miles, just as well to do your other work.
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
@@BradleysGaragehow do we have proof.?
It kinda looked like 60,000 miles since the last oil change. I don't think you could build up that much sludge in much less than that. But about doing your own maintenance if possible, absolutely. Most I have had shops do were transmissions and alignments. Everything else myself, engines, rear ends etc. Once even resealed an automatic myself, knwoe nothing about it, fixed it fine. These were old cars/trucks though, everything now is way, way more complex.
@@johnl9977 That is why perform all of our own maintenance on all our cars. We do not trust anyone to work on our cars, regardless of the issue. One way or another we will figure out to get it repaired. Cheers!
@@BradleysGarageI don't blame you! I remember once taking my car to a "highly recommended garage". Did the next service myself and found they'd put the cabin filter on upside down (hence the steamy windows), hadn't put the air filter on properly and hadn't touched the oil filter.
My Lord 😳 Great job and great video close up!! Thanks for your service and dedication!! 👍🏽
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. It was more of a mess than we anticipated, hopefully we did enough to salvage the motor.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
Great job with the thorough cleaning. It is messy and glad to see your efforts turned out well. This video gives conviction to changing ur oil. Thanks
Thanks for the comments George, glad you enjoyed the video. Hopefully we have done enough to salvage the motor.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
That engine compartment was pristine clean for someone who has waited that long between oil changes..
Hey Thomas, thanks for the comments. We don't like working on dirty Engine Bays so it was cleaned up prior to starting the work.
You can tell what it looked like at the beginning of the video.
Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage Yall did an amazing job cleaning that engine bay! Like I said.. pristine clean!
This is a good example of an owner that never changed the oil. They just topped it off when the oil was low. All that sludge is the carbon that was held in suspension that never got removed with oil draining.
Edit: I found adding 6-8 oz of archoil 9100 really helps with cleaning up the engine in between oil changes not to mention its lubricity.
Agreed, we are not buying the whole 6k oil change history. Thanks for the tip on the Archoil 9100, we will check it out. Thanks again for hanging out, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
With the amount of sludge in that engine ,you never should’ve let it go without pulling the oil pan first.
@@BradleysGarageHis idea of an oil change is just add a quart LOL He probably took 100k life away from that engine.
@@MHdollrevievs To be fair, these engines seem to have a lifespan of about 100K even normally. I'm not sure how much of that is people abusing them.
Good job, except I don't understand why you didn't prime the oil filter? It does matter.
Great video,really enjoyed watching it ! Best oil change related video i have seen ! Good stuff thanks 👍
Thanks for the kind words Paul, glad you enjoyed the video. Appreciate the feedback, thanks for hanging out. Cheers!
This video is so satisfying. Some people really don't deserve cars.
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
I was curious to see how the oil pan looked. I am glad you got it off and cleaned inside. Some people don’t, and things get ruined.
Oil pan reveal at 16:55.
Looking back we probably should have just removed the oil pan when we first took off the valve cover. After seeing that much sludge on the top, it was inevitable the pan was just as bad. We were hoping the Liqui-Moly flush would break that down some but I think it's just too much to ask of any product.
We will monitor the engine over the next 500 miles and see if a 3rd flush is necessary. We got it pretty clean all things considered so we feel pretty good about the outlook. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers
I wish I could still do that again but after a bunch of strokes it's no longer possible 🙆 😢!!
Glad you had all this on video. If the owner will lie and say he changed that oil every 6000 miles, he will lie in small claims court when he tries to place blame on you when the engine fails.
Thanks for the comments Clay, hopefully it never comes to that. 99% of what we work on is our own personal vehicles. This was a favor to a 20 year kid that went to school with my son. He doesn't know anything about cars or what it takes to keep them running properly.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on routine maintenance.
Cheers!
I agree 100%. The “kid” (excuse #1) knows how to lie about changing the oil in 6,000 mile intervals. So he knows what he was supposed to do.
I can understand not knowing and making a mistake. I can’t understand supporting and excusing lies.
It’s definitely going to fall
No good deed goes unpunished.
Hopefully they’re thankful for that your assistance rather than trying to ‘bad guy’ for a little bit of dough.
In that case he has this video for proof
Parts - $100 labor - $15,000 :) This was a really cool project thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed the video. Jake spent about $250 for all the products/supplies used in the videos. Not sure what a shop would charge but we just wanted to try to help this young kid with his Kia. Most shops would probably tell him he needs a new engine for $4K.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
This guy seems clean and methodical. I like it!
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
I admire you for taking on this job! That engine was really sludged-up, possibly one of the worst I've ever seen. I think the only part that could have, in hindsight, been done better would be to immediately drain the oil from the oil pan after you cleaned off all the sludge in the top end. No doubt a lot of hard particles made their way to the oil pan, and when you ran the engine with that Liqy Moly flush along with that very dirty and sludgy oil, that probably what caused the oil pickup to become clogged. So I would have changed the oil and filter right after cleaning the top end, and ran the Liqy Moly with clean "cheap" oil and a new filter for 20-30 minutes. Then drain that and add fresh oil and a filter. Then run that for 500 miles and change again. But you were extra deep in cleaning out the oil pan and oil pickup, that really helped out that poor motor. These engines from Kia/Hyundai are well known to have problems, but when you fail to change the oil, you can't really blame the manufacturer.
Thanks for the comments LA Commander. Looking back we probably should have just removed the oil pan when we first took off the valve cover. After seeing that much sludge on the top, it was inevitable the pan was just as bad. We were hoping the Liqui-Moly flush would break that down some but I think it's just too much to ask of a product.
We didn't have much experience with Korean cars prior to this as we mainly play around with Euro cars. We will keep tabs on this engine for a few thousand miles to make sure everything is running smooth. Hopefully the owner has learned a valuable lesson on routine maintenance.
Thanks again for hanging out, appreciate the tips. Cheers!
@@dbonilla29869 Thanks for the suggestion, we will check out that product for our next Sludge Factory project. Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage I still think the Liqui Moly is a very good product, but trying to use it with that old, dirty, sludged up oil was like you said asking too much of it. Had you added the LM to clean fresh oil it probably would have cleaned out more gunk.
Yeah with the benefit of hindsight, should have cleaned the top more thoroughly, drained / replaced filter, removed the pain, clean out, reassemble, and fill / flush.
I know the temptation to hope that the drain pan pull isn't necessary, but really it should just be done in that situation.
I would have wanted to use a particle separator and a narrow wand vacuum to pull out more from the top of the engine too.
No criticism here... We have the benefit of seeing what happened after the fact. I know if I ever have to clean a sludged up engine what I'll do now... And even then there is a chance a second bottom cleaning is needed.
Common sense would be remove old oil and refill with cheap oil, after cleaning underside of engine, also. Clean pan before putting it back on
I had family like that, never changed oil, brakes, tires, air filters, you could see the cord through the bottom of the tires, brakes run down so low the rotors had canyons carved in them, hand fulls of dirt came out of the air filter housing, and when the oil light comes on, its time to add oil. I just laugh and shake my head.
Thanks for the comments James, we are glad we are not working on your families cars 😎
Hopefully the owner has learned a valuable lesson here and will stay on top of the routine maintenance going forward.
Cheers!
My wife would be like this with her car if it wasn't for me.
@@Incomudro1963 When dating the women I married, her car had cord coming through the front tires, the rear brakes were gone and the oil came out of the engine like the coffee that Mrs Douglas made for Oliver in Green Acres.
They are idiots driving around in unsafe cars putting everyone else at risk...
@@jasonoshima6839 And OP just laughs and shakes his head.
If he did have an oil change 6000 miles back, it was very likely the 2nd oil change ever done. You did an excellent job desludging this motor. Had the same problem on a 66 Pontiac Lemans that was worse than this motor. It also clogged the oil screen pickup after a desludge attempt and I had to jack up the motor and put a new oil pump on it.
Thanks for sharing, appreciate the feedback. Hopefully we have done enough to salvage the motor.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
I just came here to see if anyone said anything about not putting oil in the filter before installing it. Surprisingly, I didn't. I didn't go through all 5800 comments, but I think whether Bradley does on a regular basis or not is not my business. It's a common heated topic on YouBoob when people see it.
Good work. I like your videos. It's cool stuff. I too do some of the same things, trying to help people out. I get a good sense of gratitude for having the know how to help like that.
Thanks for the comments, we had no idea the topic of To Fill or Not to Fill was so heated. Since we are used to working on Euro cars that use a cartridge style filter, we don't see the old school metal ones that often. This particular Kia motor is perfectly upside down so it does make it easy to pre-fill the filter.
We do have a follow up video where we pre-filled the oil filter though 😎
Thanks again for hanging out, appreciate the feedback.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
As hard as you worked on the top side, I was shocked that you didn’t drop the oil pan. Then the video continued and you had to as a return.
That would be difficult in his driveway.
Thanks for the comments. Looking back we probably should have just removed the oil pan when we first took off the valve cover. After seeing that much sludge on the top, it was inevitable the pan was just as bad and would clog up the pickup tube. We were hoping the Liqui-Moly flush would break that down some but I think it's just too much to ask of any product.
We will monitor the engine over the next 1k miles and see if a 3rd flush is necessary. We got it pretty clean all things considered so we feel pretty good about the outlook.
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
@@wayneessar7489 99% of what we do is in the driveway so we are used to making that work. Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage Wanted to state that I really enjoyed the video. Rereading my comment and it sounded a bit harsh, that was not my intention. One small note about the 6,000 miles ago oil change. That is probably true, but that was also probably his first oil change ever in that car!
I would have dropped the pan myself the first time, if the top end looks like that the bottom end is just as bad. Same reason why I drop the transmission pans in CVTs, you have to clean up the pan and the magnets by hand. You just can't drain and refill and cross fingers.
My biggest fear here was that the driveway was going to get ruined ! - the anxiety was strong
Thanks for the comments Rob, we try to keep things clean. Cheers!
Clowns. Mine is clowns.
That's fear not anxiety 😅😅😅
I feel the same. That driveway is worth a LOT more than that POF Kia!
Great job .Cheers
From Buffalo, N.Y. Thanks for the video. I've never gone by the manufacturer mileage, NEVER. I've always changed it by the color and miles put on the vehicle by road trips. Never have I over filled it either. So many times Dealers and some auto garages seem to overfill the crankcase. Now instead of pulling the oil pan plug so many places extract the oil thru the dip stick, WOW. THANKS AGAIN FOR THIS VIDEO.
Thanks for the comments Ed, glad you enjoyed the video. That is why we perform all of our own maintenance on all our cars. We do not trust anyone to work on our cars, regardless of the issue. One way or another we will figure out to get it repaired.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
You may have very well saved the engine from total destruction! Nice video, sir.
Thanks for the kind words Glenn, glad you enjoyed the video. Hopefully we did enough to salvage the motor.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
Love the old 320 in the garage I had a 78 320i back in 83 loved that car it was a tank the car saved my life a drunk driver hit me head on on the highway . Keep up the great work and vids
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. I've had that E21 since 1992 so it's my baby. We will be doing a full suspension refresh on it very soon and adding it to the channel. We also have an S50 swap in the works as well. Thanks again for hanging out, Cheers!
I don’t think they ever changed the oil. That sludge war crazy. Great job fixing it.
Thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed the video. Hard to know exactly how many miles since the last oil change but definitely seems like way more than 6k miles. We are thinking more like 12-15k miles sine the last oil change based on what the internals look like.
He has had it since around 30k and claimed to have changed the oil 4-5 during this period. I'm sure the cheap oil changes at Jiffy Lube did not help the situation.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
Nice work and I like how you confirmed if the flush really worked the first shot.
Thanks for the comments Joseph, glad you enjoyed the video. it was more of a mess than we anticipated, that's for sure. hopefully we have done enough to salvage the motor.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
This is why I have trust issues with dealerships and shops saying they changed any fluids. Plus you have no idea if they put in the type of oil or fluids you paid for.
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
Fairly simple to check if oil got changed. Pull your dipstick before you go in and then after it gets changed. Clean oil is fairly easy to spot. For the other fluids... yeah, you're right.
@@bootywarriror8793 That's a great tip for most cars with a dipstick. Unfortunately, more and more new cars don't even have one these days. They simple have an electronic sensor that displays the oil level after the car has been running for a few minutes.
Like @TheRoadWarrior said above, trust is the real concern. Find a good shop and you will be taken care of. Cheers!
always ask to see the bottles and old filter
@BradleysGarage I know most cars don't have transmission dipsticks anymore, but they are getting rid of oil dipsticks too?! Yet another reason why I will keep driving my 18 year old Jeep.
This was easily the most informative and educational, while also the best shot mechanic/DIY videos I’ve ever seen. The perfect balance of explanation and execution. Earned a sub, great work!
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. Appreciate the feedback, thanks for the Sub. Cheers!
"It's expensive to change my oil every 6,000 miles as I pull up to Starbucks to order my 8 dollar DAILY cup of coffee" :)
I applaud you for staying calm and getting it done right. You have saved the day and undoubtfully his engine. Whenever I take my car to the dealer, I always check the work they do. I put little scratches or marks on all the filters and check the colour of the oil when I get home. Not surprisingly, they always "accidently" miss something. Once they know you do check, they take more care.
Thanks for sharing Dee, appreciate the kind words. That is why perform all of our own maintenance on all our cars. We do not trust anyone to work on our cars, regardless of the issue. One way or another we will figure out to get it repaired. Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage respect from Australia!
Often this doesn't fix oil coked rings.
I know of people from the area who went to an authorized service center for an oil change - before the change, they secretly marked the filters and after the "change" found out that nothing had really been changed.
Because of this experience and my great distaste for services, I do almost everything on the car myself.
I know that the work was done with quality (and that it was done at all) and it's also cheaper, but what's most important for me - no worries about ordering for times when they have free time in the service but it doesn't suit me then, no waiting for a replacement and boredom (or days without a car standing in the service) and none arguing. I found that changing the oil and maintenance yourself is the best and you are able to save 1/2 to 2/3 of the repair amount.
Thanks for the comments, that is why we perform all of our own maintenance on all our cars. We do not trust anyone to work on our cars, regardless of the issue. One way or another we will figure out to get it repaired.
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He owes you big time for spending your time and effort fixing his negligence. You are a good friend. Cheers
Thanks for the comments Mike, he is very appreciative of what we were able to do for him. He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what it takes to keep them running good.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance moving forward.
Cheers!
@@BradleysGaragehe knew how to lie about it
@@jerryyoung6494it def. Wast 6k...
More like the whole life of the car....
I wonder how much was put in to top it off..???
yes saved him a very pricy engine replacement hope everyone knows that what he did is not easy, but it will work, you will not find anyone at jiffylube to save your engine like that
As someone said he probably did change the oil 6k Miles ago but it could the first and only oil change.
It looks more like 60,000 miles of oil top ups only. It would have been interesting to see what date was on the oil filter. Granted it might have been old stock and was replaced recently, though if it was older than two years old, then I would say it was replaced about the same year as the filter date stamp says.
I am impressed JiffyLube actually looked at the vehicle first and did refuse to work on it. Good call on that.
Hard to know exactly how many miles since the last oil change but definitely seems like way more than 6k miles.
We were also surprised that Jiffy Lube actually looked under the oil cap before starting any work. They must have gotten sued before for engine damage and are not taking on any liability in the future.
Thanks again for the comments, Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage I am on the other side of the world to you. We have spill & fills here also. They try upselling products & services, I hear they do in the USA also. I have never used them, never will. Anyway I stumbled on your channel today. I have subscribed, looking forward to binge viewing your past videos and seeing your future ones.
@@robpeabo509 We have never used them either but some people just don't feel comfortable doing their own stuff, which is unfortunate. We try to help those people out by making straight forward easy to follow videos on common repair items.
Thanks for hanging out on the channel, appreciate the support. Cheers!
Well job done 🌹
Great stuff Steve … looking great Dude !!!
Thanks for the comments Robb, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
What a good friend you are!
Thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed the video.
He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
The oil pan next time should be removed the first time to avoid the chunks clogging the oil pick up. Will probably burn oil like crazy. Marvel mystery oil is very good to clean sludge. Also you can run 500 miles before the next oil change. Hope your friend learn something. Good work!!!
Exactly what I was thinking. Needed to drop the pan before the "engine flush" and clean it, then I would have sprayed from the top again then put pan back on and do a oil flush and change the oil again.
Thanks for the comments JF. Looking back we probably should have just removed the oil pan when we first took off the valve cover. After seeing that much sludge on the top, it was inevitable the pan was just as bad and would clog up the pickup tube. We were hoping the Liqui-Moly flush would break that down some but I think it's just too much to ask of any product.
We will have to check out MMO on future projects. Thanks again for hanging out, appreciate the tips. Cheers!
@BradleysGarage Brad do you recommend gti or golf r? Known issues?
You can add MMO at each oil change and run it full time, like the company suggests. Won't hurt a thing.
I highly doubt the own will ever do an oil change after that one. And this is how you destroy a perfect good engine. The more you drive, the more frequently you must do an oil change to keep that engine running like new year after year. Motor oils are only good for every 5000 miles or less depending on the types of driving conditiin environment that you're in.
I had a similar experience with a 95 k1500 I purchased. The oil looked good but had to pull the intake to fix a coolant leak from the quick coupler on the heater return line. After removing the intake I found a big (not good) sludge surprise in the valley. I removed the valve covers and you couldn’t even see the rockers there was so much hard buildup. I decided I had to remove the pan to clean everything. I removed all the rockers and pushrods as well. I used several gallons of diesel fuel to clean everything. I put it back together and ran several flushes through before I drove it. A couple one thousand mile oil changes and then switched to full synthetic. The oil now stays amazingly clean and doesn’t burn a drop of oil.
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
Wow, fantastic job that, you where so calm amazing well done
Thanks for the kind words, appreciate the feedback.
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Thanks for creating this video it teaches our young people what’s on the inside thats created from neglect, we live in the age of “ putting things off “, 👍~~~
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. We are trying to teach this young kid the importance of routine maintenance on his car. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
I am completely flabbergasted that you didn't drop the pan before the first start up! I would have cleaned the top end really well, let all that sludge go into the pan, then drop the pan and clean it. Then I would have added oil and flush, and done a proper flush, changed the oil, done another flush in about 100-500 miles, and she would have been good to do.
Looking back we probably should have just removed the oil pan when we first took off the valve cover. After seeing that much sludge on the top, it was inevitable the pan was just as bad. We were hoping the Liqui-Moly flush would break that down some but I think it's just too much to ask of any product.
We will check on the engine after a few hundred miles to see if it's burning any oil or has any other issues. We may need to do an additional flush (diesel/ATF) mixed with oil, depending on how things look. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
Great video! Educational, entertaining, and enlightening. Thank you for saving this car from the brink. Those Kia/Hyundai motors are already on thin ice, so they need all the help they can get!
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. Hopefully we have done enough to save this motor. Not sure how much longer it would be running if he didn't bring it over the other day. We didn't have that much knowledge about Korean cars as we primarily work on Euro stuff.
Thanks again for hanging out, Cheers!
Thinking here in Europe KIA gives Seven Year Warranty and Hyundai Five Year's, both sharing many similar parts and platforms, the likes of shared Engines, so in that regard they wouldn't be in business here for too long is they were making Chocolate box Engines...
I did my own oil change since i got my own home and place to do all the maintenance.. Its one of the life skill that will save you a ton of headaches
Thanks for the comments Fred, he's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Great job and great video
Subbed! Much respect from the uk
Thanks for the kind words Spencer, glad you enjoyed the video.
Cheers!
Great video start to finish! You really put the time in on this project.
Thanks for the kind words, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
This is a good reason why you should do simple maintenance yourself instead of a shop or dealer, and with 0 experience it isn’t that complicated especially in the era of UA-cam. Bonus will be peace of mind and knowledge every time you work on your car on your own.
To be fair, he's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward.
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Modern cars usually require a trip to the dealer to reset the oil service message.
@@centralintelligenceagency9003id rather carry pen and paper.
Great vid my friend 👍🏼… I bet that car owner it’s going to see you again at next next 60,000 miles 🤣
Thanks for the kind words Rusty, glad you enjoyed the video.
He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Thanks to you and the car owner for taking care of this properly!
Thanks for the kind words, appreciate the feedback. Glad you enjoyed the video, Cheers!
I hope the cops were on standby to arrest that owner for willful engine neglect. CPS(Car Protective Service) as well to remove that automobile.
Thanks for the comments, we have already taken his Man Card for this willful neglect of his engine. The good news is we will keep tabs on this one for the next few thousand miles. Thanks again for hanging out, Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage At the very least, he's on double-secret probation until further notice!
We shall keep an eye on him 😜
Wow…. Please provide a vehicle update. You were very patient and thorough. Great job!
Owner got 6,000 confused with 60,000😂
My first car I bought was a used 68 Cougar. Shortly after buying it, I took off a valve cover, and it was loaded with sludge. I put the cover back on, changed oil regularly, and traded it in three years later. Never had any engine issues.
Thanks for sharing Robert, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
I'm amazed they didn't drop the oil pan at the same time the valve cover was initially removed (before doing the flush)
Looking back we probably should have just removed the oil pan when we first took off the valve cover. After seeing that much sludge on the top, it was inevitable the pan was just as bad. We were hoping the Liqui-Moly flush would break that down some but I think it's just too much to ask of any product.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
Cost me $40 to change my oil and filter with synthetic oil and a quality filter. I do it about every 8K-10K miles. So far I have 250K miles on both cars. That's about $1000 per car since I have owned them. I have been deep into both engines and nothing, I mean nothing like this. I have been a mechanic for 40 years and I have never seen such neglect. Just crazy people are willing to be robbed at a dealership and then they neglect the "investment" they just made. Great job and thanks for the video.
all cars are different some can go 10,000 miles but not a kia, had a customer with an audi wanted me to go by the book, oil was 10,000 miles and it worked for that car oil was still full and looked good when it was drained a 4 cyl kia engine would have ran out and locked up lol
To be fair, he's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward.
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
All of our VW Passat TDI's call for 10k oil changes and the internals are spotless, so it really does depend on the engine and how it manufactured. Kia actually recommends 7500 mile oil interval for this little Kia, which I think may be too long for this engine based on the feedback we are getting.
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I live in an apartment complex...can't change my oil or do any maintenance at home, and I don't have any friends or family nearby who own their homes either.
@@jimsix9929this is true, but most people will argue you can’t go 10k miles 😂 I laugh at all the mechanics that come out the wood work.
OP is right on the money, I also have written service, people will argue with me to change their full synthetic oil at 3k or 5k miles. When I try to explain that you’re wasting money, they throw the biggest fit.
Great work, keep that KIA running!
Thanks for the comments Jorge, we will try to salvage this one for sure. Cheers!
You are a class act. Bet his oil light had come on before, causing him to go to Jiffy Lube. What a mess. Whatever business this guy is in would not get mine.
Thanks for the kind words Gary, appreciate the feedback. He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward.
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Good job! I noticed you thoroughly cleaned that engine, the compartment and trans. IMO, that sludge is likely from using low quality conventional motor oil, as well as long oil change intervals. We used to see that back in the early 70s with certain oils and long intervals. Take care with the brake clean stuff. Some seals don't do well with that kind of solvent. The Mobil 1 should continue to clean up that engine. My guess is that in another couple oil change intervals, it will look even better inside, if the owner continues to use Mobil 1. I've had an engine I ran well over 200,000 miles with only Mobil 1 and it was like new inside.
Thanks for the kind words, appreciate the feedback. We refuse to perform any repairs on cars that have a dirty engine bay so we detail all of them prior. It was actually Carb Cleaner that was used to see how "burnt" on the sludge was on the cylinder head and connecting rod bolts.
We will check on the engine after a few hundred miles to see if it's burning any oil or has any other issues. We may need to do an additional flush (diesel/ATF) mixed with oil, depending on how things look. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
What a great instructional video. People need to watch this so they understand that oil changes aren't optional, they are mandatory. Oil is the "life blood" of your car's engine. Imagine letting your body's blood sludge up because you didn't listen to your cardiologist (bad foods or smoking). All that "cramp" in your system and you would be looking at a heart attack or a stroke. Hey, it's the same for your car's engine. Surprise surprise, look after engine by keeping up on your oil and car will last a lot longer. Again, a great video.
Thanks for the kind words Murray, glad you enjoyed the video. He's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward.
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Not to get too personal, but I'm curious, did he grow up without a father/father figure in the household? That's the only way I think you can hit 20 (or really any age if you let your engine get THIS bad) as a male and still totally not know the importance of oil changes. My dad showed me how to do oil changes and how to get a proper dipstick reading myself when I got my first car at 17@@BradleysGarage
Jiffy Lube said "Yeeaah, no." Great video!
Thanks for the comments Jester, appreciate the feedback. If only we had the facial expression of the Jiffy Lube tech when he popped off that oil cap, it would be priceless. Thanks again for hanging out, Cheers!
I had a Datsun B210 in high school. We had the valve cover off, and it was super sludgy. The car burned a lot of oil, and I didn't have the money to keep feeding the old wreck. A friend's dad did maintenance work on lift trucks and gave me used hydraulic oil. It seemed to work fine. We later had the valve cover off again, and the engine was clean as could be. We were amazed at how it dissolved the sludge.
Thanks for sharing, interesting info. Would be cool if you still had that B210 running around today. 😎
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I recently inherited a 35 year old turbo diesel diahatsu rocky that hadnt been driven in 19 years and ive had to do a flush then run lifter tappet fixer for 500 km then another flush and some injector cleaner. And all new radiator and heater hoses and multiple radiator flushes. New fuel filter. Fixed corroded wires. The list is pretty long but ill be damned if she isnt nearly running as well as the day she rolled off the production line. Its been a headache but putting the effort in really makes you love a car. Also the first diesel car ive ever worked on
Thanks for sharing, it was definitely a lot more work than we initially though it would be. But like you said, after many hours of cleaning, you might get lucky and have a sweet running car in the end.
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thanks for the comment but i have 3 Toyotas i have 2022 Camry xse and 2000 Tacoma sr5 and 1986 Celica gts and all three of my Toyota get an oil change every 1 thousand mile virtually every month with out fail
@jameseverly8501 The camry is definitely the best car out of the lot. You should find a mechanic batshit crazy enough to put the engine out of it into your celica that'd be wild. She got those pop ups?
Back in the 80's a friend of my Dad's stubbornly believed that all you needed to do was add oil when needed. No regular oil changes. It's good to show the damage this neglect causes when you are too lazy or too cheap to make a oil change.
I have a father n law that does this right now been doing it to all his cars almost ran out of oil few month ago check engine car almost stalled I told him change his oil.he gloates about how he never has to do oil changes and still after almost seized the engine he still never did a oil change just keeps adding he's in his late 60s
It's crazy to think that this is still something that people believe in. Like the oil will just last forever. Thanks for the comments, Cheers!
Excellent work and excellent video. Great shots, explanation, work etc... It's great to see a regular person can clean up a neglected engine with simple tools and a few afternoons. subbed.
Thanks for the kind words Matthew, glad you enjoyed the video. It was a lot more work than we had initially anticipated but we are happy with how things turned out. Thanks again for hanging out, appreciate the Sub. Cheers!
Years ago I had a last gen cavalier, it had under a 100,000 miles at the time, I owned it since only a few thousand miles. I always ran Mobil 1 full synthetic and it was almost all highway miles, 1.5 hours each way, so it was at temp and pressure for a good long time. One time for some reason I had over 20,000 miles on an oil change and I was going for it later that week, I bought the filter and oil. Well a dump truck dropped a rock and as best as I could to avoid it, I still hit it!! Well my oil pan shattered and it dumped it all instantly. I was able to immediately shut off my engine and saved the car, here’s the thing, the engine was spotless!!! The pan that was left was completely sludge free and the place that did the repair told me I must take good care as my engine look fantastic for almost 100,000 miles.
Thanks for sharing, appreciate the feedback. Highway miles are the best possible thing for an engine. This kid unfortunately seem to only take short 2-3 mile trips and never really get the engine up to operating temps. We are sure this contributed to the current condition you saw in the video.
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I just got a used 2019 Nissan Titan xd about 3 months ago. It had 36k miles on it, who could of figured that days after I got the truck the change oil light started coming on. I have a really good warranty on the truck and I get free oil changes up to 75000 miles. But then I started to think, I don't trust that other maintenance was done to the truck, so I finally got around to changing fuel filters on the truck yesterday. I had never done that before so thanks to UA-cam I had good instructional videos for that. You just never know why someone is trading a vehicle in so you should always look over everything.
Thanks for sharing William, even with low mileage vehicles you never know how they have been cared for. Even with maintenance records it may not tell the complete story.
Hopefully we did enough to salvage this little Kia from certain death. Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Cheers!
Outstanding Presentation!!
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video.
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Nice presentation and thorough work, thanks for using a microphone, step above other youtubers.
Thanks for the kind words Reed, appreciate the feedback. Glad you enjoyed the video, Cheers!
BG engine flush system works well from what I’m hearing. It’s like a four step system.
Thanks for the info Steve, we will check that product out on our next Sludge Factory adventure. Cheers!
For that amount of sludge it would be better to use the BG Dynamic Engine Cleaner.
My buddy was gifted a 72 skylark. His grandma hardly ever changed the oil. We used spoons to and rags to clean out the black spongie cheese that formed around the valve train. Then car ran great for years
Thanks for sharing, maybe there is hope for this little Kia.
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Good job. Manual cleaning is a must in that situation. You should be good to go now.
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the kind words. Cheers!
Man, you're brave playing with all of that oil on that nice driveway 😱
We try to put drapes down and not make a mess but the wife always has something to say about it. 😎
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One word for this video. Excellent. Now I want to see the repair bill. 😂😂
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
Most times this is only done for friends because of the liability
@@mrmarcink1300 It was definitely taking a risk getting this cleaned up for this kid. Hopefully we did enough to salvage the motor.
Not doing anything would leave him in a much worse position for sure.
Cheers!
Many years ago I worked for a place that would provide engine oil flushes. It was an additive that you put in the dirty oil you run it 2500 RPMs for 15 minutes and then drain it and do an oil change. Two sludged vehicles ended up having to have the oil pans removed because the pick up tube screen got clogged with sludge, causing causing a drop in oil pressure. They stopped doing those flushes.
Thanks for the feedback, a lot of comments have recommended the BG Flush System. It supposed to liquify all of the sludge so it doesn't clog up the pickup. This was our first Sludge Factory so we will have to try that out next time.
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Went through this same scenario on my wife's Altima way back when we were dating. I had to flush the motor 4 times over the course of 2000 miles. As the particles would fall into the pan over time if would pick up in the oil pump and kick on the oil light. After the final flush and then one final oil change it was fine and the motor saw over 200k before we finally parted with it.
Thanks for sharing, it was definitely more of a mess than we had originally thought. Hopefully we have done enough to salvage the motor. Thanks again for hanging out.
Cheers!
The history of this vehicle's maintenence is a huge question mark but it amazes me how many Kia owners don't maintain their vehicle's properly despite already having a bad rep for engine issues.. lol
in my opinion this is one of the biggest reasons kia/ Hyundai had this engine fiasco.. some people genuinely had a faulty engine most poor maintenance but because of the lawsuit u can go in and get a engine swap with very little push back even when it's the customers fault
All we know is he bought the car with about 30k on it and has "changed the oil 4-5 times" or so he says. To be fair he doesn't know anything about cars or what is required to keep them running good.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson here and will take batter care of it moving forward. Cheers!
We didn't really have any knowledge working on Korean cars prior to this. We have heard that other people has experienced sludge issues with their Kia/Hyundai motors so I'm not sure what the actual issues are.
I'm sure not really remembering when the oil was changed last is not a good sign. This doesn't happen overnight so it's been brewing awhile.
Thanks for the comments, Cheers!
@@BradleysGaragei know part of their issue is being direct inject only so the intake has to be taken off and cleaned around every 50k miles
@@bradhaines3142 Not sure what the difference is between the two engines but this one is the LX with the 1.8L MPI (Multi Port Injection) versus the EX 2.0L GDI (Gasoline Direct Injection).
Do they both have issues with carbon buildup? Not sure.
Have to look into that after we get the oil situation completely resolved.
Cheers!
Nice video. Here in NL oil changes for almost every car are 22.000 miles!! (30.000 km) and many people drive a few thousand more before making an appointment. 😢
Also no Jiffy lubes or something here, it is an US thing. Strange isn't it? I assume there are now a lot of cars with engine-issues, but I have no data on that. When I bought my car (it was 6 years old) I went for 2 Powerflushes; one BG Platinum flush and a HHO cleaning with cleaning oil treatment)
And I change the oil myself every 7-9 thousand miles and still put a bottle LM engine flush before every oil change. I hope I can use my V70 with a 2.0 (VEA) Volvo engine for a few years!😅.
Hey DJ thanks for the information. Just curious who is recommending the 30km oil changes, Manufacturer, Government?
It would seem that it would depend on driving conditions more than total miles driven. If you are driving long distances then it's possible to extend mileages versus just driving around town would require more frequent oil changes.
Thanks in advance, Cheers!
I totally believe your customer. I have a 2016 Kia Sorento that we took to the dealer on schedule the entire time it was under warranty for routine maintenance. A couple of thousand miles over warranty it overheated and when I opened the valve cover it looked like I never had an oil change done ever just like that. If I don't change it I don't trust it.
Thanks for sharing, you never know what goes on in the back at the dealership. That is why perform all of our own maintenance on all our cars. We do not trust anyone to work on our cars, regardless of the issue. One way or another we will figure out to get it repaired.
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Good for Jiffy Lube for noticing the issue. Unfortunately there are too many stories of quick lube shops intentionally doing the wrong thing. About 15 years ago my friends younger brother worked at a quick lube place. He told me how they would wipe off the filter to make it look new. He was laughing while he was saying it. Those shops have a lot of transient employees who work there as "just a job" and don't take pride in their quality of work. I'm sure a majority at those places do good work but there are enough that don't who hurt that brand of service.
That is why perform all of our own maintenance on all our cars. We do not trust anyone to work on our cars, regardless of the issue. One way or another we will figure out to get it repaired.
For the Kia owner, he's just a 20 year old kid that doesn't know anything about cars or what is needed to keep them running properly. He helped with the repair so he wants to learn and understand things.
Hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson on the importance of routine maintenance on his car moving forward. The goal will be for him to be able to change his own oil moving forward.
Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Interesting. I learned something today. I didn't think sludge like this was recoverable. I thought you were in "new engine" territory when this happens.
Same thought
It’ll run, but its life will be shortened. And it will burn oil forever
We will check on the engine after a few hundred miles to see if it's burning any oil or has any other issues. We may need to do an additional flush (diesel/ATF) mixed with oil, depending on how things look. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage these Hyundai/Kia Theta II engines are junk anyway. Even with meticulous maintenance the will be severe oil burners after 120K or so. Faulty manufacturing
@@Maserati7200 Might be time to have him drop it off at Car Max and not look back. 😎 Cheers!
Great video but I did get stressed out about getting oil and sludge on the nice clean driveway.
Thanks for the comments George, trust me, I never hear the end of it from the wife.😎
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Great job on your cleaning process. Only thing I'd suggest is to remove the oil pan the first time around to see what needed cleaning
Thanks for the comments, looking back we probably should have just removed the oil pan when we first took off the valve cover. After seeing that much sludge on the top, it was inevitable the pan was just as bad. We were hoping the Liqui-Moly flush would break that down some but I think it's just too much to ask of any product.
We did a little diesel flush (off camera) with the oil pan off to wash out any debris in the tight areas of the engine and holes. That produced quite a bit of particles so we feel pretty good that the internals are clean at this point.
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I'd say you are looking at the original oi there with maybe a little "newer" oil to top off. Back in the early 90's I bought a 78 El Camino with a 350. It ran like crap and the engine was noisy. I started the engine and was looking through the oil filler hole and I noticed it took way too long to see oil flowing. So I pulled off the left bank valve cover and there was dried on carbon build up. I could litterly pull chucks of carbon with my fingers. I used a shop vac to clean out all I could on both banks. I then changed the oil then driained the oil through a fine screen. After cleaning what was trapped in the screen looked like sand. I bought cheap oil and for a month I did an oil change every weekend. Along with the oil I put in 1 quart of ATF with the oil and drive it about 250 miles. After about 4 oil changes the engine was a whole lot cleaner. Also ran better and quieter. I asked the original own about the oil changes and he basically said he would change the oil with the oil light on the dash came on. I ended up selling the car and not doing a restoration on it as I wanted too. I figured the engine was too tired and worn. The use of ATF I was told by much older mechanics and they all recommended that as it has a higher detergency than oil. I believe it did really work.
Thanks for sharing your story, it's crazy that people have been ignoring oil changes for this many years. It's such a simple thing to do as regular maintenance, can't believe it still gets ignored.
Hard to know exactly how many miles since the last oil change but definitely seems like way more than 6k miles. We are thinking more like 12-15k miles sine the last oil change based on what the internals look like.
He has had it since around 30k and claimed to have changed the oil 4-5 during this period. I'm sure the cheap oil changes at Jiffy Lube did not help the situation.
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Ive heard ATF and diesel both work as alternative engine flushes. ATF is also one of the best fuel injector cleaners.
ATF is a good engine flush solution, high in detergent
We will check on the engine after a few hundred miles to see if it's burning any oil or has any other issues. We may need to do an additional flush (diesel/ATF) depending on how things look. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
I do that on my wife car a few times 2 qt diesel mix with 2 qt of oil
Old school tricks still work. You never see a "DIRTY" transmission even if the fluid is burnt and the pan has a ton of friction and metal.
I'd ideal the engine a few minutes. Let it sit for a half hour, and repeat 3 or 4 times, then change the oil and filter. If it was really bad I'd do another oil change i 1000 miles.
Add some Marvel Mystery Oil and drive it two days before an oil change. MMO helps clean a high mileage motor that has generally been serviced. Do an upper cylinder soak overnight before the oil change. This would help add to the service life when the oil has been changed every 5,000 miles
I have had good experiences with various Liqui Moly products. The radiator cleaner was one. A product can only do so much, please stick with the brand. Fantastic video. Watched and subscribed
Thanks for the kind words Michael, appreciate the feedback. It was a bit of a mess a but hopefully we got cleaned up enough.
We will check on the engine after a few hundred miles to see if it's burning any oil or has any other issues. We may need to do an additional flush (diesel/ATF) mixed with oil, depending on how things look. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly.
Thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
So satisfying love this kind of thing
Thanks for the comments Morgan, glad you enjoyed the video.
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Great video. I would recommend changing the PCV.
Thanks for the suggestion, we will take a look at that. Cheers!
We need more mechanics like you. Very professional job, great video.
Thanks for the kind words, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
Not professional at all. He should have pulled the pan right away, especially since nothing is in the way of easily removing it.
@@supersportimpalass Looking back we probably should have just removed the oil pan when we first took off the valve cover. After seeing that much sludge on the top, it was inevitable the pan was just as bad. We were hoping the Liqui-Moly flush would break that down some but I think it's just too much to ask of any product.
We will check on the engine after a few hundred miles to see if it's burning any oil or has any other issues. We may need to do an additional flush (diesel/ATF) mixed with oil, depending on how things look. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
Wow you did a thorough job to save that motor. 👏 I wonder if it had issues with oil burning also.
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. We will keep tabs on it every 1k miles until the next 3k mile oil change. We will see if there is any evidence of burning oil and how things are looking.
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A car mechanic friend I hadn't changed my oil in a while since he noticed a bit of sludge. Truth is, it was Lucas oil that I put in it to clog any leaks. Depends on when you put it in, sometimes it doesn't settle and mix properly and I think mine did not. Other problems in the engine had the sludge spewing I think when he opened it up and turned the car on. The belt was also flapping a bit.
Thanks for the comments Anthony, appreciate the feedback.
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Good work! It amazes me how people allow a newer car to get that abused. You did a good job going through this and it looks like you were able to save the engine. The one thing I would always do though is to refill the oil filter as it helps build oil pressure quicker than leaving it empty.
Thanks for the kind words Jim, appreciate the feedback. Hoping it works out for this young kid since he really doesn't have the first clue what it takes to service a car properly. Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage It's too bad that high schools don't offer auto classes like they used to decades ago.
@@jimsgaragetoys4963 The only thing they currently offer in our school district is Woodworking. They are not even going to know what a screwdriver or a pair of pliers is.
We will try to educate them one at a time if need be. There never seems to be a shortage of cars that have been neglected. Thanks again for hanging out. Cheers!
Prefilling oil filter is frowned upon due to possibility of introducing engine damaging material into engine. An engine can handle that 1 second without lubricant when it has oil on parts already. If you do refill, you should only be doing so from outer holes.
@@NathanGrant75 How are you going to introduce damaging material from a new filter and new oil? I've always been told from serious engine builders and oil specialists to pre-fill an oil filter. The faster the engine has oil pressure the better, no exceptions.
This is very common on all Kia models, worked for them for 3 years
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
So are you saying that KIA ENGINES, do this even with 3 to 4 thousand oil changes? Or that most kia owners don't change their oil often enough?
In the early 90s I was a store manager for Quaker States Q-Lube. We had a guy bring in his wife's $50k Cadillac with 50k miles on it. he had asked her when she last had her oil changed and she said never. My tech in the pit had to stick a screw driver in the drain hole to get anything to come out. We actually pumped a couple of quarts through it to try to flush out some of the sludge. After we got out what we could I filled it with ATF and told him to drive it for a week and bring it back. When he came back the engine was completely clean. We drained the ATF changed the filter again and put in some 10w30 and sent him on his way. People think I'm crazy for using ATF but it's just super thin oil with tons of detergents and it won't degrade any seals or gaskets that those harsh chemicals will.
Thanks for sharing, we were a little concerned about using straight ATF or Diesel. That's why we just went with the 25% ratio on this motor. We have heard stories of 100% ATF and Diesel not working out long term.
Hopefully we have done enough to salvage this motor. Be sure to check out the follow up video here - ua-cam.com/video/XFsHnrt0l3w/v-deo.html
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Man, he saved that Kia engine from certain death.
Thanks for the comments Jack, glad you enjoyed the video.
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This was simultaneously horrifying and entertaining. Also a good demonstration on how a flush can possibly go "wrong" with the pickup clogging and oil pressure issues later - there is a risk to doing this. I'd want to do a compression test ASAP to see if any damage has been done, and may need a piston soak and additional cleaning cycles afterwards to unstick the oil control rings. If compression isn't too bad, it might be worth saving by getting a BG cleaning done on it ($300+!) but they only sell it to shops and suppliers.
Thanks for the comments Garen, appreciate the feedback. We will look into that BG product as our neighbor owns a shop in town.
Looking back we probably should have just removed the oil pan when we first took off the valve cover. After seeing that much sludge on the top, it was inevitable the pan was just as bad. We were hoping the Liqui-Moly flush would break that down some but I think it's just too much to ask of any product.
We did a little diesel flush (off camera) with the oil pan off to wash out any debris in the tight areas of the engine and holes. That produced quite a bit of particles so we feel pretty good that the internals are clean at this point.
We will monitor the engine over the next 1k miles and see if a 3rd flush is necessary. We got it pretty clean all things considered so we feel pretty good about the outlook. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
@@BradleysGarage Oh gosh, using a strong solvent is a bit scary to me. In my HS shop class, one of my classmates did this (replaced the oil with diesel) and blew up the engine and spent the rest of the school year rebuilding it. 🙃 Sounds like these Korean cars don't have a solenoid filter screen so not as big a risk of clogging. I know folks who do swear by Liqui-Moly flush, but they are using it with every oil change, and I'm sure it's designed for safety so not going to be able to really move the needle with something like this - will help over the long term. Anw great video, kudos to keeping a positive attitude, and Merry Christmas! Subscribed.
Yeah bg is good
U know you done f up to your car if even jiffy lube refused to service your car
Thanks for the comments. I didn't even know it was routine practice for them to peak under the oil cap before even starting work on the car. Seems like they have run into this situation many times in the past and don't want to be buying another engine. Cheers!
All manufacturers tout these long intervals for service. I take their maintenance intervals and cut them in half, and only use quality synthetic fluids. Great job catching this before the engine grenaded. Have you tried seafoam in the crankcase before? I've used it on a few older cars and does a great job cleaning the sludge.
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. It seems like these Kia's need more frequent oil changes than what the manufacturers recommend. We will be doing this one every 3k miles for at least the next couple oil changes.
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A simple suggestion ? Whenever you remove the oil from a friction surface (like the camshaft) take a minute & brush / squirt some kind of oil on it before starting the car as that engine will spin a hundred revolutions before the oil gets pumped back onto the surface. I used to use STP when rebuilding engines as its heavy & sticky and stays on the parts until it's forced off. Dirty job there !!
Thanks for the comments, appreciate the feedback. We did a little diesel flush (off camera) with the oil pan off to wash out any debris in the tight areas of the engine and holes. That produced quite a bit of particles so we feel pretty good that the internals are clean at this point. It might not be as good as adding some oil to the cams but it did have some lubrication.
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In the future, try Seafoam and a brush to clean the sludge. I found this out cleaning up a valve cover. It didn’t have a lot of carbon buildup but was varnished. Seafoam cut through it after letting sit for a minute. Never seen anything that could remove brown varnish. No one ever talks about using Seafoam for varnish and sludge removal when cleaning engine parts.
Thanks for the tips, appreciate the feedback. We will definitely give Seafoam a try on the next plastic valve cover that is all brown and crusty. Thanks for hanging out, Cheers!
Seafoam has worked great in my experience too. My buddy used to have an old clapped out 4cyl S-10 that ran on 3 cylinders. Threw half a can of Seafoam in the oil, let it idle 20-30 mins, changed the oil, and lo and behold cylinder 4 decided to join the party…lol! He was amazed and has used Seafoam in his cars ever since.
@@djhaloeight Thanks for sharing, appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
Thanks for sharing this! Really interesting for the people who think oil lives forever 😅
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the video. Hopefully this will scare a few people into changing their oil, before it's too late. Cheers!