We make our own body panels for a Lada
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
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In this episode we test our vacuum forming machine with something a bit more complicated than an oil pan.
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Cyril is a natural at presenting content for this channel! Of course we all miss Vlad and hope he recovers soon, but good to see the channel is in safe hands in the meantime 😊
what happened?
@@danielhobson5795 he’s sick right now
Noo! Get well Vlad!
When did he get sick tho?
The problem with Cyrill is that he doesn't say blyat
New host is doing great but it feels weird to not hear a “Hey Fellas” at the start
Agreed
He isn't new, this video is 5 months old.
He IS doing great but I miss hearing, "LET'S DO THIS!"
p.s. Get Well Soon, Vlad!
@@EM4CZ it was published yesterday lol
@@ryanm4319 Or do you think this is their only channel ? :D :D :D :D
Learn some russian language.
I used to do this for a company in Wisconsin we made front ends for NASCAR/sprint cars. After we cut the parts out, the insides were sprayed with fiberglass for rigidity. You could do a single layup inside that and it would work great.
reliants in UK all made out of fibreglass ;)
So i can make my car lighter this way?
@@punker4Real yeah these panels should be lighter
@@punker4Real More importantly rust free, too.
i did that with "body" of my 1/5 scale RC car roughly a decade ago. it's hard a rock, so to say ... although somewhat heavier.
There's a Lada potential with a vacuum forming machine. Many videos will come from this I'm sure. But they won't be Russian them out.
*Golf Clap*
hahaaaaa!
I saw whatu did there 🙄🙄
Bahahahahaha...great🙈🙈😂😂😂
Get out.
Fcuking legends!!! honstley just love how real this channel is
Fuck. It's a real word. Speak as you please. Fuck censorship.
UA-cam is great, despite how much Google hates it!
but if i change it now ive added your censorship. ;)
@@bomt6259 Ha!
@@RandyRandersonthefamous They are ran by the same people.. Why do you think youtube account is linked to your gmail. Same as PayPal and eBay.
I love to see other ppl from the group hosting videos. Cyril is making fantastic job, i like this. By far, one of the best youtube car channels out there
He is, but imho hes explaining simple things a bit too detailed.
Pekka, your Finnis Inglis is not too good.
New presenter is awesome, really honest, showing all the mistakes, and his concerns on cold weather. Newer the less, Vlad get well soon.
Wish you a speedy recovery Vlad, the new host is good though
I feel like Cyril has always been good at explaining mechanical details. Vlad will always be the best host though. Hope he recovers quickly.
speedy recovery from what?
@@schwuzi its nobody's business. Vlad can tell everyone himself what's happened if he feels like it. Its not his friends job to go around telling the world Vlad's private info.
Get well soon Vlad
@@jameslesswalk and I simply said its nobody's business. Read your comment and direct it to yourself. 🤦♂️
It would be epic if you could vacuum form the entire body in one mold. It would be like a giant RC car.
That would be rad but to make full panels and reinforcement grid would be better suited to moulding individual pieces and air welding the panels together just like the steel ones but using the right plastics you could make a structure stronger than steel and way lighter
Would be just like a saturn. Those were popular here in Canada because there's no rust. Even my BMW 650i had plastic front fenders right from the factory. The main problem with putting plastic where it doesn't belong however is structural rigidity. It's best to put fiberglass reinforcement wherever you see multiple plys of metal in the original panel. This will help compensate.
Getting the plastic hot enough is SUPER important. A good tip is also to drill small holes in the mould around places like sharp edges where the vacuum struggles to get to. Getting the technique to do good parts every time takes some practice, but you quickly learn how it works and what to do to get the best result.
Hey. Thanks for the tip, I work in a team trying to make car bumpers with by vacuum thermoforming, and it took us a while to figure those out. Do you have any tips for trimming intricately shaped parts out precisely and neatly?
hope the big boss a quick recovery
have idea what's wrong 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
same
You can run those lamps on car batteries in a series parallel wiring configuration. Car batteries carry a lat of amps and those lights will run on dc as well as they can run on ac. problem solved. I wish you a speedy recovery,we love you here in America.
Guess its 230V lamps...so that would be 20 batteries (possibly 19). Even conecting only half of them would be 1.2kW per battery.
That is fine for 15 or 30 seconds.. but for 3-4 minutes. Probobly would need to go litium for this one. Can also be charged a lot faster.
Sixty batteries three set of 20. But it would require ac for the vacuum pump, no problem with a vfd
Sounds like a UPS system. We used a whole building UPS,. 10 batteries wired in series, and four stacks of batteries wired in parallel.
@@dennisford2000 they would only need half of them to go on batery... that would save a lot.
Love the technical details Cyril, keep up the good work.
Great job on presenting this video, Hope the big man is feeling well soon.
It would only be 1mm different
I don't think Vlad is only 1mm bigger than Cyril
@@egafx 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
84-87 Honda CRX fenders are made from plastic right from the factory. They all break as they are old now and brittle. Making new ones with this machine… you would make a killing.
Just like Saturn, they are basically all plastic.
Huh I didn't know they were plastic in those years. At least the other models were metal since I drive a 3d gen honda lol.
@@arigato.collect Oh yea? What do they cost?
RedPepperRacing ring a bell?
@@Naitrio yep it’s a CRX thing. Even the front nose piece between the headlights is plastic and breaks all apart. It’s called a “header panel” on the CRX.
@@lookingbehind6335 All of the Saturns body was plastic, minus the roof, trunk, and hood. They called it “dent resistant body panels” in their advertising. The only thing plastic on the first gen CRX was the fenders and front nose piece.
Fun Fact:The CRX Si spoiler was made of rubbery foam. Like a nerf football.
I think Cyril likes hosting?!
I love to see other ppl from the group hosting videos. Cyril is making fantastic job, i like this.
How did you find his name?
hes doing a good job thats sure hehe
@@omega1575 I’ve been watching them for years and Zlad said his name on several occasions.
@@omega1575 Cyril also presents more often on the PRO Garage 54 channel, where he has to do Wheeler Dealer type challenges, such as finding a turbocharged saloon for under 1000$ and fixing it up for a profit, or finding an automatic car for under 1000$ or finding a nice Volga for cheap etc
a custom bodykit with it! Or maybe try to modernize a lada.
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Rocket bunny style wide body Lada!
Cyril is smart AF,, go for it 💪🏿
I used to work at a plastic recycling facility, for super strong plastic car parts that can candle impacts, heat and cold, we made Fiberglass reinforced PP, but regular PP is really good for it too
ABS can be glued. Much harder to glue PP and EPDM. I assume it would have to be heat welded if anything were to be attached to PP. But FG reinforced? Really surprising ! Was it Polyester FG, or Epoxy based? Thks
young man did a great job presenting. thanks cyril
you can replace all parts and make it soo much lighter! perfect for this kind of cars.
Carbon is over rated... lets go plastic... 🤣
How's the sizing of the copied part? I think to get it bang on you'd need to mold the inside of the component to make a former, that way the wing or door or what ever would be the same size as the steel version.
Hey its now 2mm wide body conversion ;)
It would be perfect for wide body kits 😉
How many Ladas are bang on?
@@kobbetop I was thinking about other cars..where new steel parts are like gold to find.. plastic ones would never rot. If you get the sizing right and right paint.. better than steel ones!
I’m pretty sure the plastic will shrink to the right size when it cools
Vacuum forming is a simple process, but as you've seen: the thinner the material, the more contours come out in the plastic and the thicker the material, the more rigid the plastic is but it loses the detail. Consider raising the mould to allow for mounting brackets on the plastic to connect it to the car. You can bond fins and strengtheners to thin sheets to prevent it from rippling or warping. Additionally, as soon as the plastic starts to bow, it is ready to be vacuum formed. Make sure you have enough excess material so the vacuum form doesn't leak and then distort as it cools. Consider a mould release agent on plastic sheets that are more likely to get attached to the mould. You can always shave off the excess material later.
Satisfying watching the vacuum process
I love this channel. Followed these for years. Maybe from the beginning.
This is freaking GENIUS. Makes total sense (esp with a tube frame / roll cage)
The FOAM he used is from SEALED AIR (I owned one for shipping / packing).
Good content, Interesting to see vacuum formed panels. They came out nicely, you did a good job on them.
Please give us an update on Vlad next video. Hopefully he is feeling better.
This video was made in february/march, this isn't the newest video on the channel.
Look here ua-cam.com/users/c%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B654/videos
@@EM4CZ nice try. Reported.
@@NavyVeteran1776 ???
He actually linked you the original channel in russian, what the f do you mean "nice try"? 🤦♂️
@@vanclyde the link tried to send me out of UA-cam. Only time I have seen that is when someone is trying to give people a virus or something. If it’s the original video that’s fine.
@@NavyVeteran1776 Well i clicked it, and it's the garage 54 russian channel... on youtube. So yea, reporting for absolutely nothing lol
Love the channel. Super cool machine! The potential is endless. It would be cool to see a dashboard cover made to the drift missile
Get well soon vlad Cyril is great just want to see everybody back doing projects together also I miss the intro vlad does..
You can spray the parts with Ed-40 and it will release easier
Thank you very much for this thorough presentation
Yeah, he is doing an excellent job hosting the channel. I always thought he was pretty good when he was explaining things in the past year.
Looks really good and for weight saving in competition would make it much faster. Not sure how you would fare in an accident mind. Cyril's a natural - Great presentation, really interesting
To test them in freezing temps, put a small piece in the freezer.
This is very good because of the weight saved, but there have been MANY attempts to make cars from plastics and fibers, and they all have a bad result: When you leave the car exposed to the sun for some time, the plastic part will deform and lose alignment and design. It is really difficult and expensive to overcome this problem.
Just a bonus: Even after advances in industry and engineering studies, there were cars that lasted many years exposed to the sun, but after 5 or 8 years they would become misaligned. The car part that has seen the most advances in the last 40 years is the dashboard, which can now withstand high temperatures through the windshield for an acceptable number of years.
Anyway, to achieve this type of advancement, you couldn't just stamp the plastic on the vacuum table, you would need a gigantic plastic molding machine, with a sculpted steel mold weighing a few tons to create the most resistant polymer part. , controlled temperature, and total vacuum.
Saturn did ABS doors, they used to crack open! something like 1/8"
1st thing is congratulations on learning the vacuum form. It can create many objects. Those fenders look awesome. Can't wait for a video on them. Perhaps regular fenders vs plastic fenders.
Remember the see-through LADA, imagine how cool that would have been if these technique was used to make the transparent sections.
Great video Cyril! That’s one neat machine there, and I can see how it can be useful to make all kinds of things! As for the power consumption of the lights, I do wonder if you could come up with some alternative way to power them, or at least some of them to relieve the burden on your mains grid….
On a side note, I hope Vlad is feeling better, and is able to be in the videos soon.
Garage 54 guys are so cool they do their own ad
Well done junior. Keep up the good work.
you guys now need to turn the abs plastic panel upsidedown and then make panels on the inside and it will suit the original panel size. you may also be able to put the mounts back in.
or try to make an inside copy then make the outside copy from that. also that machine was a great price for what it can do.
Badass! Your videos are great fellas...keep'em coming!
Windshield bonding glue should bond them to the chassis. You could bond aluminium strips to the inside of the 1mm panels to add a little rigidity and strength.
This is a wonderful machine!
I always wanted to make a vacuum forming table, it's on the list.
And, making my own plastic sheets from ground up different types of plastic to use with it.
It's tricky stuff to dial in at first your getting ideal results.
Now use it to make fancy modded fenders and hoods etc.
Make a thermal formed microcar, your own version of the Chinese electric J2.
This is where having thermalforming can shape the future, make a Ford Mustang looking LADA.
Keep on rocking
I had a miniature version of this machine when I was a kid. I made all kinds of Hotwheels bodies to put onto Aurora AFX cars.
Thank you for this very entertaining and educational video
Good luck trying to paint or stick anything to HDPE, I think you'd have a better chance with butter.
Keep up the interesting projects...we love you in Dallas Texas...
When I was a kid in the 60s I had a Mattel Vac-U-Form kit.
Just like yours only smaller!
limited to about 4” x 4” maybe a little less.
I think making a dashboard or cluster would be really amazing
very cool machine, I know from much smaller vacuum machines you need to warm the plastic till its almost drooping too much to keep it soft enough to get a good shape on the mould without wrinkles.
I'd love to see an all plastic Lada, like all of the parts that can be replaced with plastic being made of plastic. I'd imagine that would be much, much lighter than stock, and would probably look the same.
Wishing vlad the best of luck. Good job Cyril
Very well done, professional
Brilliant video guys 👍
This is a cool episode! Quick comment about ABS body panels in general... The coatings applied make a big difference in the rigidity and longevity of the panel. For a show car, A quality adpro (adhesion promoter) to etch the plastic before doing a primer coat and paint is very important. Otherwise in cold temperatures a regular paint can flake when the panel flexes. OR for a rough and tumble tough car, go over it with a bedliner type spray inside and out and then apply a vinyl graphic for even better toughness. Looking forward to seeing the "ABS-U-Lada" completed!
veeeeeery interesting , thinking on making a moped with a raincovering and this seems to make making the panels a lot eazier , the machine needed for it is probably pricey for only making a few panels , i can immagine that making panels for racecars that get realy abused will start returning the cost for the machine pretty fast
Awesome work.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing great video
I think for smooth it out you need blow thorch (or electric heater) and ruler like for wallpaper to squezze the plastic in.
That's some great work there! Maybe you guy's can make a whole car out plastic! Wishing Vlad a speedy recovery!🙏👌😎👍
you need to get that Converted gasoline engine in a car
Great video every detail and no bs good shit
Add some draft angles on the edges of the mold to aid in your mold release and minimize vaccum blowouts. Great video!
Great video. I love the new invention of making parts of plastic and don't even know. Would be nice to make the interior include the seats. Thank you all.
it would make an amazing vinyl wrapping machine !
Can you do replacing crankshaft main and rod bearings with needle roller bearings?
So much fun to watch.
one problem from vacuum forming is the mold is not the original dimensions, using for example 2mm thick sheet ,means panel will be 2mm larger on all dimensions, not a problems for a shitter , all the shut lines and gaps would be fuked. however its is a neat way of forming air boxes , scoops. modded panels etc..
Awesome idea
Cyril loves to explain everything detailed and simple for viewers and we love that
Meanwhile Vlad is a bit lazy 😆
Jokes aside, get well soon Vlad!
Also, you could just pull out a portion of the lamps for running in the 45kW configuration. 30 kW is still 2/3 of the intended heat, it might work if heated longer.
Awesome hoodie design!
I sued to work in the thermoforming department of a plastic factory making ute canopies and sportlids, we also made bed liners and cargo liners. Very similar tech but way scaled up and much older and actually less versatile. This is sick.
And I've always loved 2104s always wanted a siberian longback racing pig
Quick recovery Vlad
I want this machine!
Can you make a wide body kit for the lads with this technique
Hey, this guy is good, very good!! Thanks.
You could use it over the top of body panels, as well. It would clean up a car quickly. Good job guys!
This machine is fantastic what you can do is wrap the metal panels as long as they are straight it doesn’t matter what they look like because you can wrap them. So you don’t need to undent, puddy, or cut out rust just wrap it!!! SWEET!!!
Could you make every panel in clear plastic, so you could make a see through car?
well done, nice machine!
Ensuring that post-apocalypse, Ladas can live on! We need Ladas in some arctic vaults somewhere.
Ladas are built like a brick shithouse they’ll always be around lol
Would replacing the 48x 1kw lamps to 500w lamps work just slightly slower? I can't imagine it would matter that much.
love your keeping ladas alive, a few things to help you. my CNC machine takes a lot more power than the circuit can handle like your table, so I bought a used 5000 amp generator which I run when I'm using it this would let you use all the lamps, if you do decide you want to use thin sheets you could reinforce them like your molds (tape plastic to the car spray with foam press on your fender cut away excess this will stop it from bonding with the body of the car to replace it if you damage it, you vac machine is very nice but the middle bar is not applying enough pressure to hold the plastic you need some way to make a clamp there better for thicker material, and my last thought is what else to do there was a guy who made large model battle ship hulls 3 ft long filled with foam and an opening in the back for motor and controllers which he sold to builders who wanted to race model hydrofoils or fight sim battles see if there is an interest the modeler builds the top (not sure but I expect he puts in weights in the bottom to stabilize wasn't shown)
You guys should start making e36 doorpanels
This guy is natural
You have to drill small vacuum holes to the corners of shapes in mold to get better results. 😊 -Plastic mechanic from Finland
Make a whole lada body out of plastic, but maybe not the main frame
Excellent!
All kinds of tricks to getting nice parts out of vacuum forming. The draft angles coming off of the mold and the orientation of the mold on the bed can greatly affect the quality of the part...or even if it can be made, depending on the complexity, draft, etc.
Great Job
I had a vacuum forming machine that was produced by Mattel toys from the late 60's or early 70's. Never got to use it because I couldn't find the plastic for it.
Good way to get some nice wide arches or other body kit
I know this is 2 years old but.. the thing to do would be to vacuum form an inner and outter mold. instead on cutting the plastic and using that as the fender, keep it intact so you gan pour in a solution that hardens into a fender.. youd be able to easily install mounting brackets that way too
That is looking good, plenty of potential in it. I will say from experience that HDPE is terrible for springing back unless you keep it fully clamped until stone cold. Probably not the plastic for this job.
as you said it will be interesting to know how to make the interior bend to attach the panel without the rivets in sight, they made front bumper with the interior bend buy i dont know how
I’m Aussie and a diesel mechanic cool channel had to sub