"If the Native Americans suddenly got into power and told me that I had to leave the country, I'd respect that" says the guy doing whatever he can to make sure that never happens.
@@GMHannibal I'm saying you're not supposed to let the other group get the power to oppress you. You aren't supposed to just sit by and let them do that, you are supposed to try to prevent it
"I am afraid to be the minority because then people would make laws against me and force me to leave. Therefore, I propose we make laws against the minorities and force them to leave". He is terrified of himself.
@Hercule Satan there is a monumental difference between removing an ethnicity from your country purely based on the color of their skin through violence and allowing people that dont look like you to come into your country. It's kind of weird that the lense throught which you view the problem is skin color and not anything that actually matters.
You seriously think this twitter guy gave a good argument and wasn't completely illogical, full of paranoia, hypocritical and anything other than being based on being a bigot? Really? Because I don't believe you
I can't stand this idea of "I'm not trying to hurt anyone or be mean" with ethno-state supporters. This guy openly advocated for the arrest of legalized citizens, jailing them, and even exiling them based on their looks. And then he's shown how fucked up it is, he makes up the excuse, "Well, I'm not a politician." - He can never own up to the ramifications of his actions. It's always something else out of *his* control and argument. What a coward and heartless human being.
Hi I'm autistic and can confirm that being autistic does not make you a genocidal nazi, in fact, autists were part of the nazi genocides, so you might wanna rethink that.
I’ll send my 23andme results. My 99.9% European genes could get me my white privileged card. Free monthly Nandos and bottomless drink when you redeem your white privilege card.
-"They poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses! -Destiny- "they did?" -"No, but are we going to just sit around and wait until they do."
These types of people are crazy to me, I am a SECOND generation immigrant. My parents immigrated to the United States, LEGALLY, from completely different countries when they were children. I have only known the United States culture and identified only as a United States citizen and they believe my children and even my GRANDCHILDREN shouldn't deserve to live here. wtf?
@@BioChemistryWizard I don't care about 'what your ancestors wanted'. If the current population are open to change then change should come. What's the point of trying to fulfil useless shit from dead people? Serious question, what's the point?
@@anon546 exactly polish people are ironically becoming more nazi as they become more nationalistic. Especially when the Nazis and germans tried to exterminate poles during ww2.
@@WiscoMTB37 he's arguing a position that is routed in an unlikely hypothetical. It's like saying "white people are the majority in the US, therfore every non white person has a right to rise up and kick white people out of the country because white people 'could' commit a genocide on them due to the power white people have in the US", but I doubt you'll agree with that even though it's the exact same sentiment. Or "a giant meteorite 'could' be heading towards earth, therefore countries should be putting all of their funding into underground bunkers". Do you not see how outrages that is?
@@anon546 I'm not agreeing with the dude, I'm from the US and believe the many cultures and colors is what makes America what it is. But I do understand what he is saying. Other countries that have very old ancient cultures they still hold, probably dont like small minority cultures trying to either change or affect their typical majority cultures. Sometimes they dont like it so much they commit genocide on them. I think this will be a very common theme in humans unfortunately but tribalism is something most people still hold inside. I also dont think this would or should happen in the US
@@WiscoMTB37 yes, I too understand what he is saying, and I think that what he is saying is dumb. Like I said, his position is routed in an unlikely hypothetical, that hypothatical being 'minorities rising up and heavily oppressing the previous majority". That idea alone is unlikly and it becomes even more unlikly when you take into account today's social climate.
Something I've noticed about these discussions is that, this whole "ethnostate" philosophy essentially boils down to nothing more than a case of "I want to have my cake, and eat it, too." What do I mean? Here we have a bunch of people who happily identify with a ethnicity/culture that has pretty much treated minorities like shit, ever since they've had any sort of contact with them. And _these_ guys who, while they may have never *actively* sought to mistreat minorities themselves, have had absolutely no problems with benefiting from a society built on that mistreatment, simply because there was a ethnic numerical advantage in their favor. But now, seeing that the ethnic demographics are changing around them, and seeing the *possibility* of "karmic justice" coming at them in the future, what do they do? Do they suddenly realize that the mistreatment of minorities, simply because they're minorities, is wrong, and seek to rectify those injustices that still exist within their society, because of that mistreatment? No. They want either kick all the minorities out, or wall themselves off from them, just so they can enjoy the benefits of the society built off the mistreatment of those very minorities, and keep those benefits for themselves. It's the same as making everyone you know bring *You* ingredients, so you can make a cake, and you can all eat it. Then, once the cake is finally finished, You take it, run into the bathroom, and lock the door so you can eat it all yourself, and nobody can stop you.
EsotericOccultist were obviously talking about western civilization, specifically America you incompetent stupid dumb fuck. Are you really this stupid?I hope not. I hope you're just a troll
EsotericOccultist you literally bring up white people being a minority in the world, then bring up western civilization. Like holy shit the cognitive dissonance is disturbing
there's a real fear they seem to have that if minorities gain more power, then they'll treat white people how white people historically treated minorities (i.e. awfully) ergo the solution is to never let that happen either through continual suppression or kicking them out
The entire premise of this discussion is ridiculous... "Should We Preserve a Culture with an Ethnostate". So race and culture are inherently linked? Who even makes that claim? Seriously now... do people actually make that claim?
Richard Spencer, the dude who coined the term of the alt-right, believes and wants this unironically, yes. Most of the alt-right believe the exact same thing.
I have literally debated this with alt-righters before and whenever you challenge them on this point they say something to the effect of; "look at Africa".
But things could change. But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change. SOMEONE PLEASE SHOOT ME
Destiny delivers long argument. "But when you're a minority, things could change and there's nothing you can do about it" regardless of what Destiny says. Never actually addressing what he said.
I think the conservative guy's pauses are hints to his waking up. I think Destiny actually achieves a lot with these debates. Obviously tonka didn't take time to reflect on his thoughts but this guys surely seems to think himself a decent guy and I suppose he learned a lot from this debate even if he didn't admit to it on the stream. He was clearly disturbed when he realized displacing people was not as peaceful as he made it out to be.
Whats more crazy is people like you don't acknowledge the demographic change in White countries then expect White people to be happy about being replaced by Muslim refugees in London or Paris. Fucking liberal clown. Its not about ripping people from their homes dipshit, the majority just want immigration to be enforced similar to how Japan and CHina do, keeping their countries majority Asian, dickwad. Whats wrong with Whites wanting their countries to be majority White the same as Japan/China enforce immigration/visa laws to keep theirs 98% Majority Japanese/Chinese?
Exactly! Are they not trying to be more like US and open their borders to an extent due to low birth rates, lack of manual laborers or stuff like that?(I'm not even sure lol but I do know they have problems with the population) Nevermind debating how nonsensical the concept of nationality is (in my opinion) how is race tied to nationality? That is just faschist rethoric my man... I HOPE YOU SEE THESE AND REFLECT ON THEM T-DOG! Also what's with that Che photo lol
@thesparitan Your doing a good job looking like your better than everyone else. Just be sure no one finds out your a massive hypocrite and actually a shitty person. Way to go commenting on a old ass comment. Doing yourself a real big favor. But what do you expect from morons that follow a gigantic piece of shit pedophile incest man baby.
@thesparitan People like you are so fucking sad. You constantly try to take things out of context for the sake of validating yourself as better than someone. When in reality your a sad lonely loser whos only friends are on the internet so you can fake your personality. Good fucking luck when you live alone in your 30s. and god help you if your already 30 and still alone. XD
"Preserve" culture is something so weird never in history have we done this. culture shifts happen ALL the time in fact this whole "culture preserving" going on currently IN ITSELF is a culture shift.
Culture changes because the majority chooses to. What is happening is culture is changing by mass importation of other cultures. This guy doesn't make many good arguments to be honest. I am not alt right but I don't agree in mass immigration to dilute the host culture.
Dave the problem is that many ethnostate folk dont advocate for integrating, i think u can have a country of mostly brown ppl who act super white. Ppl are pretty malleable and change depending on their environment so much so that you do end up with ppl who have fully americanized down a couple generations. Infact destiny’s favorite point is that he believes in a national language. But even the language gap is gone in a single generation. In many cases a mexican living here for over 14 years who returns to mexico doesn’t even have the same speaking mannerisms even if spanish is a big part of their home life. I think immigrants can integrate well and we should seek to make that integration as easy as possible
I share little to nothing in common with my Italian and French ancestors I’ve been to Italy and I(rightfully so)was viewed and treated as an American and I assume the same would happen in France 2 generations in and I have more in common with a African American, Mexican American then I do with Italians or the French .
+M Pesce That doesn't stop Chinese/Korean Americans going back to their countries, dumbshit. You made no effort to learn the culture or the language and you expect to have something in common with them?
T1memaster your missing the point. A third generation Korean American (even if he knows his native language) will have more in common with Americans then he would with Koreans. This seems to be commonly accepted. Idk what your trying to say
He’s arguing against inevitable change. On its face, that’s very childish. Literally children say these things “I don’t want you to die mom”. Why does he think things aren’t supposed to change? What kind of fantasy does he live in? He reframes it as “protection” but really he means preventing from changing. Protection implies there is something trying to attack it in some way. It implies force. It implies defense. You should want future generations to be different. Get rid of things like religion, racism, sexism, political correctness, etc... this guy seems to want to keep his “culture” the way it exists now.
papyrus1990 (I'm coming from Germany and I can link you to the statistics proving that literally MILLIONS are coming into this country in just the last 2-3 years.) I know this is 7 months old but can you link me those statistics. I have statistics that show that Germany allow only hundreds of thousand of refugees, not millions. www.dw.com/en/two-years-since-germany-opened-its-borders-to-refugees-a-chronology/a-40327634 Plus there has been a steady decline of refugees in recent years.
@@djsmity2029 yeah only 3 million ish immigrants entered europe over the past 5 years I believe that's less then 0.7% of the population. White people be trippin'
Exaaaactly! Anti-feminism and fear of white erasure is just that - fear that women and blacks will do the same thing that white dudes have been doing to them for centuries.
In all seriousness, the sad thing is the very deep seated fear of some sort of authoritarian majority culture that he thinks will uproot "white people " is the same sort of positions he himself holds against others.. Its crazy how much of a blind spot he has to his own ideology.
Cultures are constantly changing, there's no point in trying to prevent that. Also, modern America doesn't have culture in the same way as all the very old countries, it's always been more of a patchwork, multicultural thing anyway.
Absolute Marxist tripe! The cultures of western Europe remained the same for centuries, possibly millenniums until the last 50 years or so, when the borders were opened to the world. Go get informed, instead of spreading your Marxist tripe.
I have a question for this twitter User. what do you do with mixed race people? Im Nigerian, Ghanian, Irish, British, Russian, and Norwegian. Where am i supposed to go? Also race and culture are two different things. Im an American. I was born here "drugs arent a total positive so where gonna keep them banned" yeah we did the same thing with alcohol and it worked... oh wait.
Well since it's all about culture and not color which Destiny keeps trying to get home to say. So which culture do you identify with more? Go with that one
yea.... that kinda happens when you aren't literal nazis about immigration due to made up fairy land stuff, but share the worlds largest unguarded boarder with people who are.
NO HE'S AMERICAN HE'S NOT OURS LIKE Black Pigeon Speaks/Stefan Molyneux/Lauren Southern/Bunty/Andy Warski/JF/Gavin McInnes/Ezra Levant/Gad Saad/Jordan Peterson/Davis Aurini/Faith Goldy 8c
You can preserve certain cultural elements within a specific geographical region but culture as a whole (which encompasses food , language , customs , social dynamics etc) is forever changing because culture , just like information, is never stagnant . You always have to keep adding things to it. This is true of all cultures across history and the world.
Part one of my response is here and I couldn't include all of your actual paragraphs/statements in my response and had to substitute them for numbers. I trust you can still follow my response pattern just fine.... 1* I don't see how your response has anything to do with my point. I wasn't even expressing my opinion of how race relates to culture, I was merely highlighting what the white nationalist notion of culture is and how *they* think it's intrinsically linked to race. If you disagree with that, as do I, then you're not disagreeing with me you're actually disagreeing with people like the debater in that video. Incidentally the very people that I assumed you were trying to defend. 2* Firstly I can’t accept that consuming American media is enough for you to have a working idea of how American culture, or even social dynamics, operate. Americans aren’t like their sitcom characters after all. Also, you do know that American media is heavily consumed all across the world? Back to the topic. I never stated that American culture doesn't exist and isn't distinct from other cultures across the world. I merely pointed out how the alt-right (and those who share their sentiments) feel that the only American culture worth giving a damn about is white American and that in and of itself may be hard to define since it ranges from anything from country culture to punk culture , goth culture and everything in between. 3* I've never heard anyone deny the existence of British , American or even European culture and I certainly haven't made that statement in any of my responses so you must be thinking of someone else. In my opinion European culture, which also encompasses British culture, is also much too broad to define . Many cultures can have certain aspects of ‘European culture’ but not be regarded as European in nature at all. I hate to bring up something as stereotypical as ‘cowboy culture’ in the US as an example but where do you see that in the UK of all places. Australia in my opinion is more culturally similar to British culture and yet even that is particularly distinct to the point where many Australians have a hard time settling in the UK and vice versa. Differences matter and similar does not mean same. But I guess we agree on that. 4* You never got my point so I suggest that you reread that part of my response again. Why are you using the Congo as an example of candidates who would ultimately fail to integrate when I was specifically comparing a Mexican family to a Spanish one? Of all the places you could pick in this wide world you had to use the Congo as an example? A country that has been plagued by ongoing civil wars for literally decades? If you want to argue blacks vs whites I'll take you up on that but the Congo would have still been a bad pick for the reasons I just stated. Though in response to your statement, no I don't think a Spanish family with limited English skills , limited qualifications is going to fare better in the US than a family from say Nigeria who are better educated , better skilled and better financed. Unless the Nigerian family will be subjected to discrimination which is likely to happen for the reasons that I keep arguing against and not something that is inherent about the Nigerian family or even Nigerian culture. Also, you do know that first to second generation African migrants tend to have more degrees and have higher incomes than even those of the native white American population? Oh and it’s *Congolese culture*. You're welcome. *5 I brought up African-American culture as a challenge to the notion that cultural preservation warrants violation of human rights and deportation of born citizens. Noone seems to be concerned with the ‘preservation of Africa-American culture’ despite blacks in the US making less than 14% of the entire US population and going as far as proposing to kick them out. This is hence not a cultural argument but a racial one. When you say more black people do you mean more African migrants to the US? If so then you don't seem to be aware of the distinction between American blacks and African migrants and yes even the ways who are naturalized or born citizens. In some way African-American culture can still be regarded as distinct but I will agree that the lines are certainly becoming more blurred than ever and may become increasing more blurred over time. What about famous white rappers? What about black people who don’t ascribe to anything even remotely associated with African-American culture? In any case it matters little to me what someone does with their life, I’m arguing on the basis of challenging white nationalist ideals after all. ‘ More black people, and less white people would surely favour a proliferation of African-American culture at the expense of the other.’ What do you mean at the expense at the other? In that logic wouldn’t more white people cause a proliferation of white culture at the expense of African-American culture? I don’t want to play the ‘gotcha' moment but that is quite a peculiar response from someone who just a short while ago claimed he felt that these culture were coming together more and more. 'I think this is an absurdity, and just deeply, deeply uncharitable.' I don't see a need to be charitable towards fascists but that's not why I said that. 'I think even the stupidest people, who think the least about culture and life, are still aware of how significantly the world has changed.' There's a difference between understanding that the world has changed a great deal and resorting to white washing historical events to push your agenda. *8 It’s a loaded question for exactly the reasons I stated. Who decides what is of worth and what isn't. What is desirable and what is not. Also who's 'we'? If it’s 'the people' then there are those who are in favour of immigration just as long as its regulated while there are those that wish to halt it altogether. You need to understand that immigration is not a one way street and that yes even British people can and do reside abroad since they are free to relocate anywhere if a host country is willing to accept them. If you terminate immigration into the UK from non-EU countries (or anywhere for that matter) you will ultimately need to bar British people from living abroad because the country will not function in the absence of skilled labour and a decreasing population made possible by British people relocating abroad. In doing so you will be infringing on the rights of Englishmen (like yourself) from choosing where they will ultimately reside and what they want to do with their life. 'Whether that be the huge strains on welfare and all public services, or the reduction of wages and job opportunities, or housing issues, or housing costs, it seems pretty clear we're getting a raw deal, and the scale of immigration is too much.' This is a tiresome argument that I've heard more times than I care to recall and have had to debunk it just as much. How exactly is a skilled immigrant, such as a mechanical engineer from India, putting huge strains on the welfare and public services or anything else that you've mentioned? You do know that there are government policies in place in the UK to literally force companies to prefer British workers over foreign ones and that foreign workers have no recourse to public funds? Not to mention all the hoops that an immigrant typically has to jump through to just be able to enter the UK , let alone live there. More of that is explained here ua-cam.com/video/KDlAAEmRRGE/v-deo.html I also need to stress that immigrants did not cause the housing crisis in the UK . You've got the Tories to blame for that. Immigrants didn't cause the NHS to crumble so that it could be sold off to private companies. That was the Tories again. Immigrants did not defund public services and limit the amount of benefits and social services that citizens are entitled to. I hope you're beginning to see a pattern here. So stop with the scapegoating and challenge those with the ability to turn things around and not people who are just trying to live their lives. *10 So non-natives are only a problem if they become nationals? Curious since all the arguments given point to keeping non-natives out regardless of their residential status or potential for naturalization . You're also incorrect when you say they can never be nationals though I admit that kind of thing is only possible through a spousal visa and nothing else. I don't know about the existence of 'ghettos' in the UAE but I know that poverty is not limited to just non-natives. I'd actually much rather be a established and skilled expat than a poor native. But I guess poor natives aren't as much of a problem as DUH CULTURE to you. You also spent so much time laughing at my example of the UAE that you never addressed the Malaysian one. Could it be because Malaysian nationals could be of Malay , Chinese and Indian decent?
Part two of my response... *11 I’d never propose the UAE as a model country to be emulated with regards to immigration. I really loathe the treatment of expats in the Gulf and despise the outright xenophobia and discrimination that is targeted towards the same population that keep their oil rich states functioning in the first place. The UAE and Malaysia were merely presented as egs in which the native populations are the minority but still retain nearly all the power. You are also clearly unaware of the fact that most expats in the Gulf countries will reside there anything from 20-40 years, leaving only when they can’t do the job and go off to retire in their country of origin. Heck some of them stay on even longer if they’re adult children can take out dependent visas for them. I do acknowledge that it’s not the same as becoming nationals but you’re arguing on terms of cultural shift and not competition for public services/funds etc, as a result of a percentage of non-natives becoming the majority so essentially their residency status (provided that its legal) should be of no importance since their presence is there regardless and for a good number of years. If you’re asking me what I think would be a possible feasible approach to immigration that would require an even longer response. I will however say that the claim ‘we cannot accept everyone’ is fine with me, but the claim that we cannot accept anyone is not. The claim that we will not accept anyone on the basis of race is even worse. *12 What leads you to believe that America has a ‘immigration crisis’? Especially since you seem to be defending the very people that claim that white genocide is real and that somehow non-whites are to blame for it. How can you theorize what America will and will not be like in the coming years and how does this relate to non-white Americans who , if white nationalists have their way , would be at threat of deportation. Curious how everyone needs to go except for the whites and then you make the arguments that this same discussion can be made without mentioning race. 'Some people don't want their cultural path to be determined by other cultures, and many people like you resent them for that and rather than argue and refute their claims or their feelings, you tend to belittle them.' Likewise do you think that people are ok having their futures determined by those who hate them for no other reason than the color of their skin? That they should just let their lives been pulled out from under them and thrown wherever white nationalists think they should land because..MUH CULTURE. How is one a violation of humans rights and not the other? I have also done nothing but address their arguments with the nuance they refuse to acknowledge. ‘That's up to you, but I hope you realize, throwing people's feelings in their face may have the opposite affect of what you hope to achieve. As exemplified by the rise of the alt-right.’ Ah , as usual the classic ‘You made me a racist argument’. What is it that you think I’m trying to achieve? Whatever it is apparently it involves me not looking at issues with a sense of nuance and just accepting arguments as is. I mean how dare I point out inconsistencies in people arguments , regardless of how flawed they maybe. Also aren’t they the ones who usually holler ‘FACTS OVER FEELINGS’ ? Consider my stance then as just taking what they said to heart. See, I really am an attentive listener after all lol.
I know that this is 5 years old but I’d want to get your take on this. What would you say about the argument that Swedish culture for example is Swedish because despite it changing and evolving throughout history, it was predominantly ethnic Swedes who were the deciders and drivers of that. Which is in contrast to many towns in Sweden today where Muslim majority populations live and do not adhere to Swedish culture. Would these areas not have had a dilution of Swedish culture? What if this continued to happen over an extended period of time? Would Swedish culture not be relegated to the pages of a history book or at least play a much smaller role in daily Swedish life for the inhabitants of Sweden?
When he talks about "western" culture being derived from Indo-European roots, does he not know that the vast majority of the people India, Pakistan, and Iran are derived from Indo-European roots? Because I have a sneaking suspicion that he wouldn't be super excited to let them in his ethnostate.
Not to mention I bet he is of the ilk that would claim "christianity is a central pillar of white/european culture." Ignoring various Pagan religions with a huge variety of pantheons were natively European. And then christians violently invaded Europe and spent many centuries actively genociding pagans in every way they knew how and came up with many new ways to do it.
Like even if you kicked out all the brown people, your "white" culture still changes. Even a 10 year span is a huge change within a culture. How different did white people act from 1995 to 2005. Do you parents have the same thoughts as you, do they celebrate the same things you do? Interested in the same things? Believe in the same things? No!!! Because no matter what precautions you do to avoid the "changing" of a culture, it will always develop on it's own naturally.....That's kind of what culture is.
shampain Are you saying we shouldn't try to integrate immigrants because culture is a dynamic concept? When immigrants disproportionately fails to adhere to our values of the Republic, human rights, secularism, democracy and equality we should just say fuck it?
Martin Where are these extreme cases of immigrants coming into America, settling in after gratuitous work to get there, and then suddenly not adhering to basic things like "democracy"? Whether or not they have extreme views about things, that's besides the point, you're allowed to in America. Many citizens do, that's kind of the point. There are no opinions that you can't have, but there's a difference between not liking that gay people can get married vs not wanting to follow the rules of the government of the place you move to. There aren't these huge group of Africans who huddle together and want to overthrow the democracy America has? There aren't huge examples of this, no one is actively trying to strip America of it's government. They probably, if anything, went to America because they valued it's principals more than the place they moved from. I have never seen extreme cases like this happening. If it were, I'd be hearing about it all over. You want to use a non problem as means of keeping out so many groups of people? That seems like you're doing it for no reason with no basis to back it up. Also, culture is a dynamic concept so these people that are coming over from their homes tend to naturally fade into American culture, with each generation, they identify more as American. Here's an interesting source of "ethnic attrition" to back me up: www.cato.org/blog/ethnic-attrition-why-measuring-assimilation-hard These studies say that as children grow up, even with the ideas passed down from their parents, they're and less less likely to identify ethnically with their more recent immigrant ancestors, and, due to spousal self-selection, they are likely to be more economically and educationally integrated as well. So there really is no point in trying to use scare tactics to try to have a white ethnostate because these problems don't exist. Immigrants don't come over to try to destroy elements of America that make America "America", they come over because they see these great elements and want their kids to have what they didn't. And from statistics, their kids are definitely identifying more and more with American with each generation. So what's the problem? lol
shampain You're talking about America though, I'm talking about Europe. You're talking about a country with a gigantic population and where the immigrants are mostly Mexican, Chinese and Indian. Mexicans being your next door neighbor helping Americas need for labor and Chinese/Indians being respectful and highly educated immigrants. Not exactly comparable to a country like Sweden taking in tons compared with it's total size, having no need for a labor force and many of these immigrants being uneducated, Islamic and not integrating both because of the culture they come from and the fact that so many are coming in we're unable to properly vet them. "There aren't these huge group of Africans who huddle together and want to overthrow the democracy America has? There aren't huge examples of this, no one is actively trying to strip America of it's government" Do you really think anyone believes the 2,1 million Africans living in America are planning to overthrow it? I'm not even talking about America but if you ever come across someone who thinks that about America color me surprised. I agree thought that an American ethnostate would be idiotic. But it's not comparable with a small European country and Destiny refuses to ever debate outside of America.
T1memaster .....no offense dude but.......like.....white people sorta kinda put themselves in a situatuon where they fucked up whole groups of people...... I'm not blaming white people but i mean if i were, who else is there to blame for racism? lol
The brunt of what I'm hearing is: "The average minority seems to have problems that are the product of hardcore oppression and/or marginalization...because they're not the majority. I think that sucks, and I don't want that to happen to the ________ race." Instead of having open discussions on how we can improve the living conditions and public opinions of these marginalized people, so that it doesn't matter if you're in the majority or not. He thinks: "We should just establish an ethno-state where the _________ race will never have to worry about becoming the minority." It was a cordial debate, so I don't want to slam the guy...but I don't know what world he lives in.
papyrus1990 Not really. The idea of establishing different ethno-states for each race of people, detracts from the issue at hand: "That there are groups of people in some places, that are UNFAIRLY discriminated against...and the bigoted ideals that create systemic oppression need to be stamped out." Segregating one group from another, won't make those with bigoted ideals, be less bigoted. I'm not interested in treating the symptom, I'm interested in addressing the cause. And as rational beings, I believe we should be done with this primitive-ass thought.
We would have to solve the problem of racism among people who are now considered white...but who were once called 'swarthy' .. I am basically saying even if we were all white, people would find a way to be racist against other white people.
*Let's face it, before globalization and mass migration, we didn't really have to solve the problem of racism when there was only one race* Tell that to the untouchables in India, or the burakumin in Japan, or the Irish Americans in the 1850s, or the Tutsi in Rwanda, or the Rohingya in Myanmar, or the muslim Bosnians, or the homosexuals almost everywhere. Being the same race does not help because people will find something, anything, to discriminate other people against. Racism is just the word we give to a specific kind of discrimination. The real solution is to live with people different than us and understand that these differences most of the time mean nothing. The actual, real differences that matter depend on the person, not the group that person belongs to.
Jonathantheweirdo wow how much do u have to deny common sense to actually believe that.Saying that native germans get along better with other germans and not with muslims is totaly true.Bringing more diversity is just bringing more problems. To the last paragraph:Why is so hard for you leftists to undestand that minorities hate you?You give them your money(the US spends hundreds of bilions on welfare for minorities),your land your everything and for them it s never enough and they will always hate you.And in the future,once whites will become a minority,they will be opressed.
Wisecontra Gio This is what I was talking about: "minorities hate you, Germans get along better with other Germans". Bullshit generalizations. I don't consider all whites idiots just because I met you. I understand that you are an idiot and there might be another person of your "race" with which I may get along better. Same thing with everyone else.
I couldn't live in a nation with only one ethnic background. There are just too many beautiful women from every background, I couldn't have just one flavor
The RACE topic always pivots hard to Ethnicity and Culture because there's no such thing as RACE (except HUMAN) and those who want to hate upon those that are different have no argument without these pivots.
@MR MAGOO askabiologist.asu.edu/questions/human-races Can we define race based on physical appearance? Even though our DNA is similar, humans look very different from each other. But the traits we use to guess someone's race don't always work well. Think about skin color. There aren't just a few colors: there are more shades than you can ever count. The traits we use are also independent of each other. For example, being tall doesn’t mean you’ll also have dark hair. No matter which traits we use, there is no good way to group humans using appearance or DNA. Instead, everyone groups people into races based on the traits they think are most important. The way we categorize people into races changes over time, too. Think about people you know who are Irish or Italian. Today we might categorize them as white, like many people from Europe. But 100 years ago, they were not considered the same race as Americans with European origins. Humans love to organize things into groups. But when it comes to race, these groups tell us more about our culture than they do about our biology. The concept of race as a biological distinction is entirely useless.....except to intensify prejudice.
@MR MAGOO which means that RACE is the most amorphous means by which to classify or categorize humans. Making it wholly meaningless. What race am I? According to those definitions; i'm a Germanic/Irish, highly tan-able olive skinned, brunette, brown eyed, 5'-9", idahoan/washingtonian, air force discharged vet, 2 degree slingin, IT tech, artist, musician son/brother/husband/father, 1 dog, 1 cat, home owner, Toyota Van driving, male, human.
Sorry but I don't understand these people. They are playing god by saying who can live (here) and who not. You basically believe people are born with sins and that sin is being different. And somehow the people you kick of of "your" country have to be accepted elsewhere. And what if the whole world applies it. Then you have to accept a different ethnicity, but this time you don't even know their identity or culture. And what does it amount to? That your culture is not getting to change with the new inhabitants? That the world is a better place to live? And the whole process is totally for free and not mentally damaging. And the time lost not being productive is somehow stimulating the economy? Im sorry but you are delusional if you think it is in your best interest to selectively send people from different ethnicities out of your country. You have to live with reality and even to protect your own culture it is better to live with these people then to having to accept newcomers. You just can't apply the hypocrite principle to only move people out of your country, because to have to go another country. And you are not the one making the decisions for the other country. And you also can't say I don't care what happens with them I just kick them out of my country, because it will be the same as deciding who is going to live and who not.
@@RockPile_ because I see things like the constitution and the rights in our constitution regularly trashed and if it isnt safe gaurded then we will end up like the rest of the countries throught history.
@@christophern2818 do you value human well-being more or less than the protection of rights outlined in the US constitution? Because it seems like Europe is doing certain things differently than us which go against conservatism and the constitution… but it turns out better almost every time. So should we sacrifice all the gains we can make (by moving away from conservatism and some of the constitution) just to protect these rights… rights which can’t even be philosophically justified?
@@RockPile_ I dont believe government is there to take care of you and all your needs. Government is there to protect your natural God given rights. Also, the rights in the constitution are philosophically justified, backed up by thousands of years of moral and religious groundwork, thats how we arrived here. Also, basically any school of thought is started on axioms (things that cannot be proven or justified), but its up to the individual to ascent to a certain school of thought. It seems like you believe government is there to take care of each persons needs and desires, which i fundamentally disagree. People have the right to eat themselves to death, thats not a well way to live but its your God given right to do that or not. That is also the price of freedom, some people will use it to flourish other people will use it to gamble all their money away or lie to there loved ones or opt not to raise their children or donate to the poor. Our problem is not what system is the best, its the problem of human nature, and no system can fix that.
@@RockPile_ a million times over I would choose freedom over someone forcing me with the arm the government to live a certain way even if i would flourish under that boot.
Racist: **LONG RANT** Destiny: Wait, why would that matter? Racist: ... Well... because... It's all based on most of this stuff... I think, people try to be too factual. A lot of it is based on what you find is important. Do you find culture important? Do you find- just people, in general, as an individual for being happy... It's all based on that. I find culture... important because I think it's a way that can really unify a people... These racists admit to irrational prejudice; they can't be reasoned with.
‘Western culture’ is a deterritorialized culture. We largely overcame the folkish tradition where arts and tradition lived and died by the people who performed them. But although western music and art undoubtedly grew out of a European cultural milieu it became the domain of transcendental individuals who developed purer and purer styles of composition. The art was sheltered in conservatories and museums, it was not spontaneously created by gatherings of people. Western art no longer relied on a communal practice but wrested its own domain where it could flourish in its own right. Whereas folk traditions played an integral part in the operation of a community Western art no longer did. It withdrew into itself and thus became universally appreciable. Orchestras in Tokyo and Nairobi play Bach and Schubert precisely because it is not the exclusive property of any one people. This is one of the greatest achievements of Western culture, literally becoming an ‘anti-culture.’ Folk traditions are indispensably important cultural artifacts that can enrich life and instill a deep reverence for human history, but in the modern materialist world they will only exist at the periphery and will never retake the center lest we significantly regress.
Destiny makes a powerful statement around 1:16:30-36, namely, that Americans wouldn't have a defensible argument against Mexicans wanting to invade the U.S. because they essentially lost the moral high ground. The same concept can be applied to Destiny's position on veganism - he believes that only humans deserve moral consideration simply because humans are capable of entering into a social contract. Clearly, non-humans can't. Therefore, he believes that we can basically do whatever we want to animals (And yes, he actually says this during the Vegan Gains debate). But, such a worldview is ultimately based on prejudice. So, what would Destiny say to, let's say, an advanced alien civilization that wants to invade Earth and wipe out humanity because they don't think we are worthy of any moral consideration just like Destiny doesn't think non-human animals are?
JC Tutoring He did this question. He said something like he would ask the aliens what they would say if he were to ask them the same question. That's his reason.
I like listening to Destiny, but this is why I can't respect him and I'm grateful he's not my dad. He lacks empathy. He'd have no coherent argument against aliens using us humans as a food source, and keeping us in horrible conditions, he'd have to admit they have that right because they're more highly evolved than we are and can communicate on a level we can not (although I'd be interested in hearing what he thinks about Coco the gorilla who can use sign language, and who even taught it to another gorilla). No empathy. Less empathy then Coco, who mourned when her pet cat died. He even says in this debate, that the only reason his son exists, is because he doesn't believe in abortion. Yikes. 🤦🏾♀️
10 minutes in. As a Somali, our culture is shaped by people outside of us. Indian, Arab, European, (France England and Italy) and our own culture. If you got a Somali 300 years ago he can't understand our current culture as much. Mainly with European influence. Our dishes a mix of ours Arab Indian Italian cuisines. Cultures change no matter what.
Tom J yeah I agree. Somalia 2000 years ago was pagan. more ancient Egyptian ( old Somalis) and dressed different. Now all that we have from that is the dress that old Egypt had is used by our rural people.
+Abdullahi Mohamoud Sorry, but I've never spoken to a Somali before. I'm Italian, so I know a bit about our shared history. I just wanted to ask, how are Italians seen in Somalia? Good, bad or both?
I like how this guy inadvertently admits that white majority rule in the USA has forced certain people to assimilate, sometimes violently. I'm shocked that's not a bigger point here. He says several times that "minorities can be forced to change/adapt culture" and I'm thinking: "is there a specific example you would like to present?"
There definitely are examples in Europe of cultures being suppressed. The prime examples that come to mind are the suppression of the various languages of Britain, France and Spain (specifically the Celtic languages, Catalan and Occitan). So in a sense I understand where the guy is coming from, though it is entirely driven by emotion - I want to protect languages because I have a love of history and would be sad to see them snuffed out, not for any practical reason that I can think of. The problem with his logic however is that his answer is to become *more* authoritarian, which is *exactly* what lead to the type of suppression he is talking about in the past, without exception. These were all incredibly authoritarian governments. Rather than becoming more authoritarian and dictating to people where they can live based on hypotheticals and arbitrary rules, we should be working together to target governments and laws that actively try to suppress cultures. The fact that he could not come to that conclusion on his own makes me wonder whether he really cares about culture (the idea of white culture is completely ridiculous to me as a European), or if he just really dislikes brown people.
What makes it even more ridiculous is that by advocating for a white ethno-state you are by definition advocating for the suppression (or well, removal) of cultures yourself. It really just reeks of thinly veiled white supremacy, not the desire to protect threatened cultures.
Ethnostate logic "We want to avoid people being forced to relocate and lose their place in the world so we'll do this by relocating people in the hopes that nobody will come along and force other to relocate because that's wrong". This is like the same type of logic the reapers use in ME3.
This guy was a special kind of loathsome. There's something almost bearable about types like Nick Fuentes who are open about their evil. Meanwhile, this dude kept self-deluding and playing the saint about what he was advocating for, as if he's doing PoC a favour and we'd understand because he's giving us a nicer ghetto to live in. As a second gen Australian and first gen American, it was so satisfying watching Destiny wreck him.
29:51 he said there wasn't much multiculturalism in the past when the roman empire was one of the first globalized (for it's time) multicultural society's. Rome even had an african born king. There were several cultures within the empire
@@anglo-saxon9182 Rome fell for a lot of different reasons. Hopefully you're not insinuating that rome fell because of an African born King AFTER 100 YEARS 😂 because you wouldn't want to look stupid but all empire's fall eventually. Rome fell largely because it's GLOBAL empire split making it more decentralized. The Byzantine empire continued for a few more centuries but the military took over the original half. Once you lose democracy and your immigrants and devolve into a military dictatorship it's only a matter of time before it dissipates and new cultures and societies arise.
Wow I feel really dumb, I can't follow any of guy's ethnostate hypotheticals, at all. Like I'm honestly trying to understand what he wants, but i dont get it.
Minority is a concept that does not exist in the EU. I was constantly sitting on the edge of my chair waiting for destiny to ask what it is and debate it.
I am not good at this but ill try. The way he sees minority can simply not exist. I feel like the guy in this video sees the usa as a football match. 11 vs 11. and when he talks about becoming the minority he means that the opposing team is gaining people. this is completely not the case. these new people are just as forging to team A as team B. as matter of fact there are no teams at all there is no match. Its all one big bag of skittles that needs to work to together to set up plans to integrate these new people into this shared country. the only way that his idea of an minority could come to existence is by having a country that suddenly would dubble in population over night. but as desTiny already said this could only happen in a hostile takeover.
I'm starting to think the reason these guys want an ethno state is that in their hearts they know what they did to the minorities in the US is horrible and they wouldn't want that treatment for themselves
it's so painful when someone makes arguments, without any historical knowledge. First: White people don't share a common culture at all. Europeans have been dividing each other across all sorts of lines over the centuries and fought countless wars along those division lines. The HUNDRED year war was between catholics and protestants. Austrian War propaganda during WW1 went like that: Every Brit a kick, Every Frenchman a strike, Every Russian a shot and Serbia needs to die. (in german it sorta rhymes). White europeans literally hated each other for the most part. The viewed each others culture as infirior and with great contempt Secondly If there's a thing such as european culture than it's most essential incredients are Creek philosophy and the Bible. Both of which were invented by brown people. If culural mixing and developing is so bad, you should probably try to restore celtic believs and societal systems as well as the nordic faith and the countless other very distinct cultures before christianity. Thirdly As an Austrian some essential parts of my culture were brought here by the Turks. Famous Viennese coffee culture comes entirely from these invations. You can find onion shaped roofs of church towers all across austria (also from the Turks) and Austrias most beautiful church (imo) looks like a mosque. Google Karlskirche The argument of course is even more pronounced when we look at spain. Spain was ruled by the Arabs for 400 years. FOUR HUNDRED YEARS. The left customs, food, architecture and even words, all of which are now essential to spanish culture. Do you have to get rid of that too? It just maked me lose my mind if someone argues so stupidly
1:19:00 The irony of his arguement is that his solution to preserving the culture he claims to love would instantly destroy it because it follows no Western country's principles or beliefs and would kill those who did in the starting purge/ civil war.
I just don't get how people can be that stupid. If you see a statistics on each countries IQ there's a strong correlation between developed countries having high IQ and undeveloped countries having low IQ. You know why that is? Because of the educational system. You can't judge 2 different people in terms of IQ if they've had completely different learning experiences. It makes no logical sense. If a guy had a great education while another guy didn't obviously the guy that had a great education would have a higher IQ. Also IQ isn't a determining factor of intelligence. Intelligence is a wide spectrum and you can't determine someone's intelligence over 1 test. Also there are tons of people who are extremely intelligent who have very low IQ.
Just FYI> Hispanic is not a race. Those who most Americans refer to as 'Hispanic' are in fact Amerindian, or Native American. They are, largely, the descendants of the same people who crossed the land bridge some 20k+ years ago. Though of course there is admixture, mostly white/Amerindian, as well as other, such as black/Amerindian, etc.
Hey I saw a huge Twitter post that lots of UA-camrs were retweeting about you getting sued I guess that's that for you, buddy! Enjoy jail, don't mess with the sceptics again! /s
I can't believe how many morons actually believe Destiny's worried about being sued. I even saw people retweeting his shut up dude you're hurting my case tweets as if it was unironic. I can't even imagine having such crippling autism
Lolololol. Listen: 200 years from now, I don’t want my great grand son’s great grand son to keep seeing taco shops everywhere,,,,, it’s so important to me! Lolololololololololololololololololol. This is one of the funniest talks online ,,,, every 6 months I listen to it again,,,,, it makes me so happy,,,,,, lolololololololol
You aren't preserving the culture by fundamentally changing it. I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways. Until the ethnostate people admit that they want something completely different from what we have now they are largely incoherent.
Just discovered the channel from an interview I watched on The David Pakman Show. This is the second video I've watched and I totally love this, this is how you do it, you fucking interview someone while you play some video games. Awesome lol.
Destiny, America has the highest economy right now but that doesn't mean the people are benefiting from it right now. People need to work multiple jobs or have 2 incomes to afford rent. Healthcare is unaffordable. Homelessness is rising. Not as much work is available to the people. But sure, we have cheap iphones and goods. Who can buy them.
there's an interesting article by a chinese american named crystal chen on foreignpolicy.com titled "i went back to china - and felt more american than ever" that tried exactly what this person is suggesting. she's american through and through and forsaked the privilege of being the majority in hong kong for being the minority in america. if anything, you could probably argue something for deportation based on legal status, but someone doesn't just go back to an ethnic homeland simply by virtue of being the same ethnicity. if it doesn't work for a homogenous eastern culture, what more for a western culture like sweden? foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/21/i-went-back-to-china-and-felt-more-american-than-ever-hong-kong-race-relations/
Last time I checked, humans are the only race of intelligent beings on this planet so why are we dividing ourselves? My neighbors have different traditions and culture then my home and the same goes for every house in that neighborhood to the point where I don't even know if there is a true American culture. Gaming culture is what I consider myself in but others who consider themselves gamer culture are most likely way different then me.
The way this guy uses the word "ethnicity" completely f"cks with my brain. I am a white guy who has no idea what generation american I am. I am the most progressive person in my family. I am Pagan drawing inspiration from a variety of regions. But I strongly enjoy Japanese music, games, and shows. With a lot of my favourite food being from Asia and american dishes inspired by Mexican spices & flavours (my city is famous for a large pan-asian restraunt community and being not far from the Mexican border.) The way this guy uses ethnicity puts me in a super confusing spot. My race contradicts my choice of food which contradicts my religion which mostly contradicts my choice of media.
"If the Native Americans suddenly got into power and told me that I had to leave the country, I'd respect that" says the guy doing whatever he can to make sure that never happens.
lol so true
He is supposed to do that, u aren't supposed to let ur enemies win dumbass
@@nixonesport1998 "Enemies" And why are other ethnic groups your "enemies?"
@@GMHannibal I'm saying you're not supposed to let the other group get the power to oppress you. You aren't supposed to just sit by and let them do that, you are supposed to try to prevent it
Prïnce Nixon By that logic, I’m guessing you’re a liberal SJW, right?
"I am afraid to be the minority because then people would make laws against me and force me to leave. Therefore, I propose we make laws against the minorities and force them to leave".
He is terrified of himself.
Jonathantheweirdo sadly true
Hercule Satan did you listen to the video?
@Hercule Satan there is a monumental difference between removing an ethnicity from your country purely based on the color of their skin through violence and allowing people that dont look like you to come into your country. It's kind of weird that the lense throught which you view the problem is skin color and not anything that actually matters.
@Hercule Satan 1965?
You seriously think this twitter guy gave a good argument and wasn't completely illogical, full of paranoia, hypocritical and anything other than being based on being a bigot? Really? Because I don't believe you
I can't stand this idea of "I'm not trying to hurt anyone or be mean" with ethno-state supporters. This guy openly advocated for the arrest of legalized citizens, jailing them, and even exiling them based on their looks. And then he's shown how fucked up it is, he makes up the excuse, "Well, I'm not a politician." - He can never own up to the ramifications of his actions. It's always something else out of *his* control and argument.
What a coward and heartless human being.
TheFirstBumtoDie maybe just socially awkward
It's a thing Destiny decided to do. It's generally better to appear less threatening, "be nice" to people. It gets more people onto your side.
Hi I'm autistic and can confirm that being autistic does not make you a genocidal nazi, in fact, autists were part of the nazi genocides, so you might wanna rethink that.
The guy lost when he tried to take our tacos away.
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Guys!...I got super great news: My mom said we could build the ethnostate in her basement!
It will be the most free speech basement ever!
😂😂😂😂 is there sunny d?
Could not stop laughing when I read this comment.
Caesar more like the most free sign language community
I’ll send my 23andme results. My 99.9% European genes could get me my white privileged card. Free monthly Nandos and bottomless drink when you redeem your white privilege card.
-"They poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses!
-Destiny- "they did?"
-"No, but are we going to just sit around and wait until they do."
These types of people are crazy to me, I am a SECOND generation immigrant. My parents immigrated to the United States, LEGALLY, from completely different countries when they were children. I have only known the United States culture and identified only as a United States citizen and they believe my children and even my GRANDCHILDREN shouldn't deserve to live here. wtf?
@@BioChemistryWizard ???????????????????????????????
@@BioChemistryWizard LOL, relax. Nobody's moving to Poland. Hell, POLES don't even wanna stay.
@@BioChemistryWizard I don't care about 'what your ancestors wanted'. If the current population are open to change then change should come. What's the point of trying to fulfil useless shit from dead people? Serious question, what's the point?
@@anon546 exactly polish people are ironically becoming more nazi as they become more nationalistic. Especially when the Nazis and germans tried to exterminate poles during ww2.
@@Yes_Fantasy_419 seems they didnt learn their lesson
I wish these people would just say at these debates. "I am a racist this is why I want an ethno-state."
Boy, lots of genocidal people around these days.
true
Hes literally arguing the opposite. Majorities commit genocides on minorities. If there was no minority, their wouldnt be a cultural power dynamic
@@WiscoMTB37 he's arguing a position that is routed in an unlikely hypothetical. It's like saying "white people are the majority in the US, therfore every non white person has a right to rise up and kick white people out of the country because white people 'could' commit a genocide on them due to the power white people have in the US", but I doubt you'll agree with that even though it's the exact same sentiment. Or "a giant meteorite 'could' be heading towards earth, therefore countries should be putting all of their funding into underground bunkers". Do you not see how outrages that is?
@@anon546 I'm not agreeing with the dude, I'm from the US and believe the many cultures and colors is what makes America what it is. But I do understand what he is saying. Other countries that have very old ancient cultures they still hold, probably dont like small minority cultures trying to either change or affect their typical majority cultures. Sometimes they dont like it so much they commit genocide on them. I think this will be a very common theme in humans unfortunately but tribalism is something most people still hold inside. I also dont think this would or should happen in the US
@@WiscoMTB37 yes, I too understand what he is saying, and I think that what he is saying is dumb. Like I said, his position is routed in an unlikely hypothetical, that hypothatical being 'minorities rising up and heavily oppressing the previous majority". That idea alone is unlikly and it becomes even more unlikly when you take into account today's social climate.
Wait, this actually ends at 1:27:30, it just repeats afterwards.
ThatScarletKnight yea i thought i accidentally rewinded or sth
I almost rewatched it again.. :/
ThatScarletKnight its how the stream was, they did the talk then thought th was so good they did it again
Oh thank fuck
That sweet sweet watch time.
When ethnostaters send debaters, they're not sending their best.
Something I've noticed about these discussions is that, this whole "ethnostate" philosophy essentially boils down to nothing more than a case of "I want to have my cake, and eat it, too." What do I mean? Here we have a bunch of people who happily identify with a ethnicity/culture that has pretty much treated minorities like shit, ever since they've had any sort of contact with them. And _these_ guys who, while they may have never *actively* sought to mistreat minorities themselves, have had absolutely no problems with benefiting from a society built on that mistreatment, simply because there was a ethnic numerical advantage in their favor. But now, seeing that the ethnic demographics are changing around them, and seeing the *possibility* of "karmic justice" coming at them in the future, what do they do? Do they suddenly realize that the mistreatment of minorities, simply because they're minorities, is wrong, and seek to rectify those injustices that still exist within their society, because of that mistreatment? No. They want either kick all the minorities out, or wall themselves off from them, just so they can enjoy the benefits of the society built off the mistreatment of those very minorities, and keep those benefits for themselves. It's the same as making everyone you know bring *You* ingredients, so you can make a cake, and you can all eat it. Then, once the cake is finally finished, You take it, run into the bathroom, and lock the door so you can eat it all yourself, and nobody can stop you.
Perfect comment
EsotericOccultist were obviously talking about western civilization, specifically America you incompetent stupid dumb fuck.
Are you really this stupid?I hope not. I hope you're just a troll
EsotericOccultist you literally bring up white people being a minority in the world, then bring up western civilization. Like holy shit the cognitive dissonance is disturbing
there's a real fear they seem to have that if minorities gain more power, then they'll treat white people how white people historically treated minorities (i.e. awfully)
ergo the solution is to never let that happen either through continual suppression or kicking them out
EsotericOccultist: Thanks. Now go fuck yourself.
The entire premise of this discussion is ridiculous...
"Should We Preserve a Culture with an Ethnostate". So race and culture are inherently linked? Who even makes that claim?
Seriously now... do people actually make that claim?
Richard Spencer, the dude who coined the term of the alt-right, believes and wants this unironically, yes. Most of the alt-right believe the exact same thing.
I have literally debated this with alt-righters before and whenever you challenge them on this point they say something to the effect of; "look at Africa".
Culture is the extended phenotype. Go read Richard Dawkins.
AugustusPugin
What do you mean by that?
It's the JFG position of everything, including the environment, is our genes.
In places in northern mexico they celebrate halloween. because they've absorbed the culture around them lmao.
Japan also celebrates Halloween.
Some places in The US celebrate Dio de Los Muertos
Holloween is an old irish pagan celebration.
I live in Tijuana, Thanksgiving has been celebrated in my family for over 40 years.
But things could change. But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change.But things could change. SOMEONE PLEASE SHOOT ME
story of my life :(
Destiny delivers long argument. "But when you're a minority, things could change and there's nothing you can do about it" regardless of what Destiny says. Never actually addressing what he said.
The Draco things WILL change and for the worst
Wisecontra Gio
America has been getting better economically and becoming less white since 1965.
@@djsmity2029 and that's a good thing. White people are choosing to not have as many kids anymore. Everything is natural.
I think the conservative guy's pauses are hints to his waking up. I think Destiny actually achieves a lot with these debates. Obviously tonka didn't take time to reflect on his thoughts but this guys surely seems to think himself a decent guy and I suppose he learned a lot from this debate even if he didn't admit to it on the stream. He was clearly disturbed when he realized displacing people was not as peaceful as he made it out to be.
Whats more crazy is people like you don't acknowledge the demographic change in White countries then expect White people to be happy about being replaced by Muslim refugees in London or Paris. Fucking liberal clown.
Its not about ripping people from their homes dipshit, the majority just want immigration to be enforced similar to how Japan and CHina do, keeping their countries majority Asian, dickwad. Whats wrong with Whites wanting their countries to be majority White the same as Japan/China enforce immigration/visa laws to keep theirs 98% Majority Japanese/Chinese?
Mr T1, You are obsessed kiddo. Holy shit. lol.
also why would we want to be like Japan or China?
Exactly! Are they not trying to be more like US and open their borders to an extent due to low birth rates, lack of manual laborers or stuff like that?(I'm not even sure lol but I do know they have problems with the population) Nevermind debating how nonsensical the concept of nationality is (in my opinion) how is race tied to nationality? That is just faschist rethoric my man... I HOPE YOU SEE THESE AND REFLECT ON THEM T-DOG! Also what's with that Che photo lol
T1memaster
Travel to Europe. Go to London, Paris and Germany. Only then you will understand how you are full of shit.
+Wisecontra Gio Hes a self admitted cuckold. liberals really are pathetic sissy losers
oh boy this sure as hell wont turn out to be cancer
Ten sarcasm over 9000
Ten Anything with Destiny does.
@thesparitan Your doing a good job looking like your better than everyone else. Just be sure no one finds out your a massive hypocrite and actually a shitty person.
Way to go commenting on a old ass comment. Doing yourself a real big favor. But what do you expect from morons that follow a gigantic piece of shit pedophile incest man baby.
@thesparitan People like you are so fucking sad. You constantly try to take things out of context for the sake of validating yourself as better than someone. When in reality your a sad lonely loser whos only friends are on the internet so you can fake your personality.
Good fucking luck when you live alone in your 30s. and god help you if your already 30 and still alone. XD
@@kyero8724 why are you so mad
"Preserve" culture is something so weird never in history have we done this. culture shifts happen ALL the time in fact this whole "culture preserving" going on currently IN ITSELF is a culture shift.
Reglei that last point is super key.
Culture changes because the majority chooses to. What is happening is culture is changing by mass importation of other cultures. This guy doesn't make many good arguments to be honest. I am not alt right but I don't agree in mass immigration to dilute the host culture.
Dave the problem is that many ethnostate folk dont advocate for integrating, i think u can have a country of mostly brown ppl who act super white. Ppl are pretty malleable and change depending on their environment so much so that you do end up with ppl who have fully americanized down a couple generations. Infact destiny’s favorite point is that he believes in a national language. But even the language gap is gone in a single generation. In many cases a mexican living here for over 14 years who returns to mexico doesn’t even have the same speaking mannerisms even if spanish is a big part of their home life. I think immigrants can integrate well and we should seek to make that integration as easy as possible
Reglei Hahahaha yes yea... Tell that to Muslim and North Korea.
Reglei integration is not easy.
I share little to nothing in common with my Italian and French ancestors I’ve been to Italy and I(rightfully so)was viewed and treated as an American and I assume the same would happen in France 2 generations in and I have more in common with a African American, Mexican American then I do with Italians or the French .
Probably because you never learned your culture and don't speak the language, idiot.
+M Pesce That doesn't stop Chinese/Korean Americans going back to their countries, dumbshit. You made no effort to learn the culture or the language and you expect to have something in common with them?
T1memaster your missing the point. A third generation Korean American (even if he knows his native language) will have more in common with Americans then he would with Koreans. This seems to be commonly accepted. Idk what your trying to say
Shame on you. Only Whites undermine themselves.
“I want to force my culture on others because I’m afraid that they might force their culture on me.”
THIS right here!
He’s arguing against inevitable change. On its face, that’s very childish. Literally children say these things “I don’t want you to die mom”. Why does he think things aren’t supposed to change? What kind of fantasy does he live in?
He reframes it as “protection” but really he means preventing from changing. Protection implies there is something trying to attack it in some way. It implies force. It implies defense.
You should want future generations to be different. Get rid of things like religion, racism, sexism, political correctness, etc... this guy seems to want to keep his “culture” the way it exists now.
papyrus1990 we don’t have “mass migration”. Your entire comment is based on a false premise and therefore is irrelevant.
papyrus1990
(I'm coming from Germany and I can link you to the statistics proving that literally MILLIONS are coming into this country in just the last 2-3 years.)
I know this is 7 months old but can you link me those statistics.
I have statistics that show that Germany allow only hundreds of thousand of refugees, not millions.
www.dw.com/en/two-years-since-germany-opened-its-borders-to-refugees-a-chronology/a-40327634
Plus there has been a steady decline of refugees in recent years.
@@djsmity2029 yeah only 3 million ish immigrants entered europe over the past 5 years I believe that's less then 0.7% of the population. White people be trippin'
@@recklez8131 3 million!! Thats extinction level shit bro, whats next. Pigs get human rights?
@@oscarezeigbo8923 not sure if you're hyperbolic because some people genuinly think that way.
People who debate Ethnostate: we don't want them doing to us what we do to them.
whos kicking legal citisens out of their country for their ethnicity..?
EsotericOccultist Those are mostly the Asians and some Eastern Europeans.
EsotericOccultist Have computers really improved your potential to enjoy life?
"being a minority is bad we don't want to be a minority" >treats minorities the same way they don't want to be treated.
Exaaaactly! Anti-feminism and fear of white erasure is just that - fear that women and blacks will do the same thing that white dudes have been doing to them for centuries.
A beautiful argument for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” had a good laugh at this.
In all seriousness, the sad thing is the very deep seated fear of some sort of authoritarian majority culture that he thinks will uproot "white people " is the same sort of positions he himself holds against others.. Its crazy how much of a blind spot he has to his own ideology.
@@wolfror1 d
He sounds like he twitches every time he takes a breath mid sentence
:)
@@lucius7993 true i guess LULW
The U.N. Security Council declared forcible removal based on ethnicity a crime against humanity in 1994.
Yes destiny needs to pin this!!!
UN is a joke though
BuT lIkE bRo… iN tHe fUtUrE tHaT mIgHt nOt bE tHe cAsE
Cultures are constantly changing, there's no point in trying to prevent that. Also, modern America doesn't have culture in the same way as all the very old countries, it's always been more of a patchwork, multicultural thing anyway.
thatMayvie that's so dishonest and factually wrong
Absolute Marxist tripe! The cultures of western Europe remained the same for centuries, possibly millenniums until the last 50 years or so, when the borders were opened to the world.
Go get informed, instead of spreading your Marxist tripe.
@@gladifly There is no such thing as unified European culture...never was, never will be.
@@gladifly Western Europe has changed a lot in 50 60 70 even 20 years ago. No country remains the same.
@@gladifly France is the same as 1700’s france pre revolution?
I have a question for this twitter User. what do you do with mixed race people? Im Nigerian, Ghanian, Irish, British, Russian, and Norwegian. Where am i supposed to go? Also race and culture are two different things. Im an American. I was born here
"drugs arent a total positive so where gonna keep them banned" yeah we did the same thing with alcohol and it worked... oh wait.
Joe Dirt I guess Brazil 😎
How you know all that, im just a black guy.
Well since it's all about culture and not color which Destiny keeps trying to get home to say. So which culture do you identify with more? Go with that one
@@thinkingmouse2751 i'd accept him here!
They'd very likely just arbitrarily judge whether you're white or not based on your looks and your political opinions.
Having crippling autism must be terrible
debate lost this debate
Has this meme gone too far? No. debate debate debate debate
Big loss for the marketplace of ideas
Sean The Prawn you dumb asses following this loser lost.
Yeah that's really fucking stupid
@@kyero8724 the loser lost the debate. The debate debated the debate on whether to debate the outcome of the debate during this debate.
What's great about Destiny is how he is able to make these people look as stupid and ridiculous as they actually are.
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it's always the Canadians
is this what happens when far right wingers can't get elected to office? Edit: elaboration
yea.... that kinda happens when you aren't literal nazis about immigration due to made up fairy land stuff, but share the worlds largest unguarded boarder with people who are.
NO HE'S AMERICAN HE'S NOT OURS LIKE Black Pigeon Speaks/Stefan Molyneux/Lauren Southern/Bunty/Andy Warski/JF/Gavin McInnes/Ezra Levant/Gad Saad/Jordan Peterson/Davis Aurini/Faith Goldy 8c
Canada is to America like the Northern US is to the South . Lol. They always think all the problems are someone else's.
I swear
You can preserve certain cultural elements within a specific geographical region but culture as a whole (which encompasses food , language , customs , social dynamics etc) is forever changing because culture , just like information, is never stagnant . You always have to keep adding things to it. This is true of all cultures across history and the world.
Part one of my response is here and I couldn't include all of your actual paragraphs/statements in my response and had to substitute them for numbers. I trust you can still follow my response pattern just fine....
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I don't see how your response has anything to do with my point. I wasn't even expressing my opinion of how race relates to culture, I was merely highlighting what the white nationalist notion of culture is and how *they* think it's intrinsically linked to race. If you disagree with that, as do I, then you're not disagreeing with me you're actually disagreeing with people like the debater in that video. Incidentally the very people that I assumed you were trying to defend.
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Firstly I can’t accept that consuming American media is enough for you to have a working idea of how American culture, or even social dynamics, operate. Americans aren’t like their sitcom characters after all. Also, you do know that American media is heavily consumed all across the world?
Back to the topic. I never stated that American culture doesn't exist and isn't distinct from other cultures across the world. I merely pointed out how the alt-right (and those who share their sentiments) feel that the only American culture worth giving a damn about is white American and that in and of itself may be hard to define since it ranges from anything from country culture to punk culture , goth culture and everything in between.
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I've never heard anyone deny the existence of British , American or even European culture and I certainly haven't made that statement in any of my responses so you must be thinking of someone else. In my opinion European culture, which also encompasses British culture, is also much too broad to define . Many cultures can have certain aspects of ‘European culture’ but not be regarded as European in nature at all. I hate to bring up something as stereotypical as ‘cowboy culture’ in the US as an example but where do you see that in the UK of all places. Australia in my opinion is more culturally similar to British culture and yet even that is particularly distinct to the point where many Australians have a hard time settling in the UK and vice versa. Differences matter and similar does not mean same. But I guess we agree on that.
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You never got my point so I suggest that you reread that part of my response again.
Why are you using the Congo as an example of candidates who would ultimately fail to integrate when I was specifically comparing a Mexican family to a Spanish one? Of all the places you could pick in this wide world you had to use the Congo as an example? A country that has been plagued by ongoing civil wars for literally decades? If you want to argue blacks vs whites I'll take you up on that but the Congo would have still been a bad pick for the reasons I just stated. Though in response to your statement, no I don't think a Spanish family with limited English skills , limited qualifications is going to fare better in the US than a family from say Nigeria who are better educated , better skilled and better financed. Unless the Nigerian family will be subjected to discrimination which is likely to happen for the reasons that I keep arguing against and not something that is inherent about the Nigerian family or even Nigerian culture. Also, you do know that first to second generation African migrants tend to have more degrees and have higher incomes than even those of the native white American population? Oh and it’s *Congolese culture*. You're welcome.
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I brought up African-American culture as a challenge to the notion that cultural preservation warrants violation of human rights and deportation of born citizens. Noone seems to be concerned with the ‘preservation of Africa-American culture’ despite blacks in the US making less than 14% of the entire US population and going as far as proposing to kick them out. This is hence not a cultural argument but a racial one. When you say more black people do you mean more African migrants to the US? If so then you don't seem to be aware of the distinction between American blacks and African migrants and yes even the ways who are naturalized or born citizens. In some way African-American culture can still be regarded as distinct but I will agree that the lines are certainly becoming more blurred than ever and may become increasing more blurred over time. What about famous white rappers? What about black people who don’t ascribe to anything even remotely associated with African-American culture? In any case it matters little to me what someone does with their life, I’m arguing on the basis of challenging white nationalist ideals after all.
‘ More black people, and less white people would surely favour a proliferation of African-American culture at the expense of the other.’
What do you mean at the expense at the other? In that logic wouldn’t more white people cause a proliferation of white culture at the expense of African-American culture? I don’t want to play the ‘gotcha' moment but that is quite a peculiar response from someone who just a short while ago claimed he felt that these culture were coming together more and more.
'I think this is an absurdity, and just deeply, deeply uncharitable.'
I don't see a need to be charitable towards fascists but that's not why I said that.
'I think even the stupidest people, who think the least about culture and life, are still aware of how significantly the world has changed.'
There's a difference between understanding that the world has changed a great deal and resorting to white washing historical events to push your agenda.
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It’s a loaded question for exactly the reasons I stated. Who decides what is of worth and what isn't. What is desirable and what is not. Also who's 'we'? If it’s 'the people' then there are those who are in favour of immigration just as long as its regulated while there are those that wish to halt it altogether. You need to understand that immigration is not a one way street and that yes even British people can and do reside abroad since they are free to relocate anywhere if a host country is willing to accept them. If you terminate immigration into the UK from non-EU countries (or anywhere for that matter) you will ultimately need to bar British people from living abroad because the country will not function in the absence of skilled labour and a decreasing population made possible by British people relocating abroad. In doing so you will be infringing on the rights of Englishmen (like yourself) from choosing where they will ultimately reside and what they want to do with their life.
'Whether that be the huge strains on welfare and all public services, or the reduction of wages and job opportunities, or housing issues, or housing costs, it seems pretty clear we're getting a raw deal, and the scale of immigration is too much.'
This is a tiresome argument that I've heard more times than I care to recall and have had to debunk it just as much. How exactly is a skilled immigrant, such as a mechanical engineer from India, putting huge strains on the welfare and public services or anything else that you've mentioned? You do know that there are government policies in place in the UK to literally force companies to prefer British workers over foreign ones and that foreign workers have no recourse to public funds? Not to mention all the hoops that an immigrant typically has to jump through to just be able to enter the UK , let alone live there.
More of that is explained here
ua-cam.com/video/KDlAAEmRRGE/v-deo.html
I also need to stress that immigrants did not cause the housing crisis in the UK . You've got the Tories to blame for that. Immigrants didn't cause the NHS to crumble so that it could be sold off to private companies. That was the Tories again. Immigrants did not defund public services and limit the amount of benefits and social services that citizens are entitled to. I hope you're beginning to see a pattern here.
So stop with the scapegoating and challenge those with the ability to turn things around and not people who are just trying to live their lives.
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So non-natives are only a problem if they become nationals? Curious since all the arguments given point to keeping non-natives out regardless of their residential status or potential for naturalization . You're also incorrect when you say they can never be nationals though I admit that kind of thing is only possible through a spousal visa and nothing else. I don't know about the existence of 'ghettos' in the UAE but I know that poverty is not limited to just non-natives. I'd actually much rather be a established and skilled expat than a poor native. But I guess poor natives aren't as much of a problem as DUH CULTURE to you. You also spent so much time laughing at my example of the UAE that you never addressed the Malaysian one. Could it be because Malaysian nationals could be of Malay , Chinese and Indian decent?
Part two of my response...
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I’d never propose the UAE as a model country to be emulated with regards to immigration. I really loathe the treatment of expats in the Gulf and despise the outright xenophobia and discrimination that is targeted towards the same population that keep their oil rich states functioning in the first place. The UAE and Malaysia were merely presented as egs in which the native populations are the minority but still retain nearly all the power. You are also clearly unaware of the fact that most expats in the Gulf countries will reside there anything from 20-40 years, leaving only when they can’t do the job and go off to retire in their country of origin. Heck some of them stay on even longer if they’re adult children can take out dependent visas for them. I do acknowledge that it’s not the same as becoming nationals but you’re arguing on terms of cultural shift and not competition for public services/funds etc, as a result of a percentage of non-natives becoming the majority so essentially their residency status (provided that its legal) should be of no importance since their presence is there regardless and for a good number of years.
If you’re asking me what I think would be a possible feasible approach to immigration that would require an even longer response. I will however say that the claim ‘we cannot accept everyone’ is fine with me, but the claim that we cannot accept anyone is not. The claim that we will not accept anyone on the basis of race is even worse.
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What leads you to believe that America has a ‘immigration crisis’? Especially since you seem to be defending the very people that claim that white genocide is real and that somehow non-whites are to blame for it. How can you theorize what America will and will not be like in the coming years and how does this relate to non-white Americans who , if white nationalists have their way , would be at threat of deportation. Curious how everyone needs to go except for the whites and then you make the arguments that this same discussion can be made without mentioning race.
'Some people don't want their cultural path to be determined by other cultures, and many people like you resent them for that and rather than argue and refute their claims or their feelings, you tend to belittle them.'
Likewise do you think that people are ok having their futures determined by those who hate them for no other reason than the color of their skin? That they should just let their lives been pulled out from under them and thrown wherever white nationalists think they should land because..MUH CULTURE. How is one a violation of humans rights and not the other? I have also done nothing but address their arguments with the nuance they refuse to acknowledge.
‘That's up to you, but I hope you realize, throwing people's feelings in their face may have the opposite affect of what you hope to achieve. As exemplified by the rise of the alt-right.’ Ah , as usual the classic ‘You made me a racist argument’. What is it that you think I’m trying to achieve? Whatever it is apparently it involves me not looking at issues with a sense of nuance and just accepting arguments as is. I mean how dare I point out inconsistencies in people arguments , regardless of how flawed they maybe. Also aren’t they the ones who usually holler ‘FACTS OVER FEELINGS’ ? Consider my stance then as just taking what they said to heart. See, I really am an attentive listener after all lol.
I know that this is 5 years old but I’d want to get your take on this.
What would you say about the argument that Swedish culture for example is Swedish because despite it changing and evolving throughout history, it was predominantly ethnic Swedes who were the deciders and drivers of that. Which is in contrast to many towns in Sweden today where Muslim majority populations live and do not adhere to Swedish culture. Would these areas not have had a dilution of Swedish culture? What if this continued to happen over an extended period of time? Would Swedish culture not be relegated to the pages of a history book or at least play a much smaller role in daily Swedish life for the inhabitants of Sweden?
The crazy thing is that all the things that he is afraid of, are things that only people who think like him would do.
When he talks about "western" culture being derived from Indo-European roots, does he not know that the vast majority of the people India, Pakistan, and Iran are derived from Indo-European roots? Because I have a sneaking suspicion that he wouldn't be super excited to let them in his ethnostate.
Samurai Jack indo European is a language group not a race
That’s disputed by the way (aryan invasion theory)
Not to mention I bet he is of the ilk that would claim "christianity is a central pillar of white/european culture." Ignoring various Pagan religions with a huge variety of pantheons were natively European. And then christians violently invaded Europe and spent many centuries actively genociding pagans in every way they knew how and came up with many new ways to do it.
@@Robertsmith001 no there’s evidence of their existence with their very specific tools.
the video repeats itself
*history repeats itself
ftfy
Like even if you kicked out all the brown people, your "white" culture still changes. Even a 10 year span is a huge change within a culture. How different did white people act from 1995 to 2005. Do you parents have the same thoughts as you, do they celebrate the same things you do? Interested in the same things? Believe in the same things? No!!! Because no matter what precautions you do to avoid the "changing" of a culture, it will always develop on it's own naturally.....That's kind of what culture is.
shampain Are you saying we shouldn't try to integrate immigrants because culture is a dynamic concept? When immigrants disproportionately fails to adhere to our values of the Republic, human rights, secularism, democracy and equality we should just say fuck it?
Martin Where are these extreme cases of immigrants coming into America, settling in after gratuitous work to get there, and then suddenly not adhering to basic things like "democracy"? Whether or not they have extreme views about things, that's besides the point, you're allowed to in America. Many citizens do, that's kind of the point. There are no opinions that you can't have, but there's a difference between not liking that gay people can get married vs not wanting to follow the rules of the government of the place you move to. There aren't these huge group of Africans who huddle together and want to overthrow the democracy America has? There aren't huge examples of this, no one is actively trying to strip America of it's government. They probably, if anything, went to America because they valued it's principals more than the place they moved from.
I have never seen extreme cases like this happening. If it were, I'd be hearing about it all over. You want to use a non problem as means of keeping out so many groups of people? That seems like you're doing it for no reason with no basis to back it up.
Also, culture is a dynamic concept so these people that are coming over from their homes tend to naturally fade into American culture, with each generation, they identify more as American. Here's an interesting source of "ethnic attrition" to back me up: www.cato.org/blog/ethnic-attrition-why-measuring-assimilation-hard These studies say that as children grow up, even with the ideas passed down from their parents, they're and less less likely to identify ethnically with their more recent immigrant ancestors, and, due to spousal self-selection, they are likely to be more economically and educationally integrated as well. So there really is no point in trying to use scare tactics to try to have a white ethnostate because these problems don't exist.
Immigrants don't come over to try to destroy elements of America that make America "America", they come over because they see these great elements and want their kids to have what they didn't. And from statistics, their kids are definitely identifying more and more with American with each generation. So what's the problem? lol
shampain You're talking about America though, I'm talking about Europe. You're talking about a country with a gigantic population and where the immigrants are mostly Mexican, Chinese and Indian. Mexicans being your next door neighbor helping Americas need for labor and Chinese/Indians being respectful and highly educated immigrants. Not exactly comparable to a country like Sweden taking in tons compared with it's total size, having no need for a labor force and many of these immigrants being uneducated, Islamic and not integrating both because of the culture they come from and the fact that so many are coming in we're unable to properly vet them.
"There aren't these huge group of Africans who huddle together and want to overthrow the democracy America has? There aren't huge examples of this, no one is actively trying to strip America of it's government"
Do you really think anyone believes the 2,1 million Africans living in America are planning to overthrow it? I'm not even talking about America but if you ever come across someone who thinks that about America color me surprised. I agree thought that an American ethnostate would be idiotic. But it's not comparable with a small European country and Destiny refuses to ever debate outside of America.
Shutup idiot, you dont understand Whites and dont want to. You just want to play the blame Whitey game like all Blacks do, trashbag.
T1memaster .....no offense dude but.......like.....white people sorta kinda put themselves in a situatuon where they fucked up whole groups of people...... I'm not blaming white people but i mean if i were, who else is there to blame for racism? lol
Bros afraid of change, a very common human habit. But he fights change with racism and his version of change.
The brunt of what I'm hearing is:
"The average minority seems to have problems that are the product of hardcore oppression and/or marginalization...because they're not the majority. I think that sucks, and I don't want that to happen to the ________ race."
Instead of having open discussions on how we can improve the living conditions and public opinions of these marginalized people, so that it doesn't matter if you're in the majority or not. He thinks:
"We should just establish an ethno-state where the _________ race will never have to worry about becoming the minority."
It was a cordial debate, so I don't want to slam the guy...but I don't know what world he lives in.
papyrus1990
Not really. The idea of establishing different ethno-states for each race of people, detracts from the issue at hand:
"That there are groups of people in some places, that are UNFAIRLY discriminated against...and the bigoted ideals that create systemic oppression need to be stamped out."
Segregating one group from another, won't make those with bigoted ideals, be less bigoted. I'm not interested in treating the symptom, I'm interested in addressing the cause.
And as rational beings, I believe we should be done with this primitive-ass thought.
We would have to solve the problem of racism among people who are now considered white...but who were once called 'swarthy' ..
I am basically saying even if we were all white, people would find a way to be racist against other white people.
*Let's face it, before globalization and mass migration, we didn't really have to solve the problem of racism when there was only one race*
Tell that to the untouchables in India, or the burakumin in Japan, or the Irish Americans in the 1850s, or the Tutsi in Rwanda, or the Rohingya in Myanmar, or the muslim Bosnians, or the homosexuals almost everywhere.
Being the same race does not help because people will find something, anything, to discriminate other people against. Racism is just the word we give to a specific kind of discrimination.
The real solution is to live with people different than us and understand that these differences most of the time mean nothing. The actual, real differences that matter depend on the person, not the group that person belongs to.
Jonathantheweirdo wow how much do u have to deny common sense to actually believe that.Saying that native germans get along better with other germans and not with muslims is totaly true.Bringing more diversity is just bringing more problems.
To the last paragraph:Why is so hard for you leftists to undestand that minorities hate you?You give them your money(the US spends hundreds of bilions on welfare for minorities),your land your everything and for them it s never enough and they will always hate you.And in the future,once whites will become a minority,they will be opressed.
Wisecontra Gio
This is what I was talking about: "minorities hate you, Germans get along better with other Germans". Bullshit generalizations. I don't consider all whites idiots just because I met you. I understand that you are an idiot and there might be another person of your "race" with which I may get along better.
Same thing with everyone else.
I couldn't live in a nation with only one ethnic background. There are just too many beautiful women from every background, I couldn't have just one flavor
The RACE topic always pivots hard to Ethnicity and Culture because there's no such thing as RACE (except HUMAN) and those who want to hate upon those that are different have no argument without these pivots.
@MR MAGOO That's true. The HUMAN RACE. Every thing else is cultural or social distinction.....not race.
@MR MAGOO How can you divide a race into races? If you dissect a cow do you have more and different cows?
@MR MAGOO www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the%20human%20race
@MR MAGOO askabiologist.asu.edu/questions/human-races
Can we define race based on physical appearance?
Even though our DNA is similar, humans look very different from each other. But the traits we use to guess someone's race don't always work well. Think about skin color. There aren't just a few colors: there are more shades than you can ever count. The traits we use are also independent of each other. For example, being tall doesn’t mean you’ll also have dark hair. No matter which traits we use, there is no good way to group humans using appearance or DNA.
Instead, everyone groups people into races based on the traits they think are most important. The way we categorize people into races changes over time, too. Think about people you know who are Irish or Italian. Today we might categorize them as white, like many people from Europe. But 100 years ago, they were not considered the same race as Americans with European origins. Humans love to organize things into groups. But when it comes to race, these groups tell us more about our culture than they do about our biology.
The concept of race as a biological distinction is entirely useless.....except to intensify prejudice.
@MR MAGOO which means that RACE is the most amorphous means by which to classify or categorize humans. Making it wholly meaningless.
What race am I?
According to those definitions; i'm a Germanic/Irish, highly tan-able olive skinned, brunette, brown eyed, 5'-9", idahoan/washingtonian, air force discharged vet, 2 degree slingin, IT tech, artist, musician son/brother/husband/father, 1 dog, 1 cat, home owner, Toyota Van driving, male, human.
That white guy got destroyed in this debate
Is there a white guy in this debate? I don't know XD
Joe Dirt which one?
D4V3Z02 Destiny isnt white he is transparent.
he's not white he's ETHNICALLY EUROPEAN smfh
As a Canadian, this guy sounds like an American impersonating a Canadian accent.
He sound like an idiot doing an idiot impression
Why don't we preserve human culture.
That's a good question
Sorry but I don't understand these people. They are playing god by saying who can live (here) and who not. You basically believe people are born with sins and that sin is being different. And somehow the people you kick of of "your" country have to be accepted elsewhere. And what if the whole world applies it. Then you have to accept a different ethnicity, but this time you don't even know their identity or culture. And what does it amount to? That your culture is not getting to change with the new inhabitants? That the world is a better place to live? And the whole process is totally for free and not mentally damaging. And the time lost not being productive is somehow stimulating the economy?
Im sorry but you are delusional if you think it is in your best interest to selectively send people from different ethnicities out of your country. You have to live with reality and even to protect your own culture it is better to live with these people then to having to accept newcomers. You just can't apply the hypocrite principle to only move people out of your country, because to have to go another country. And you are not the one making the decisions for the other country. And you also can't say I don't care what happens with them I just kick them out of my country, because it will be the same as deciding who is going to live and who not.
The debate is only 1:27:30 long. After that the video repeats itself.
Gary could have played that better
Que trucazo, no?
Already feel like dipping 5 seconds in
Conservative here, Destiny is one of the first people on the left who I can actually tolerate and listen to. I love how he will debate anything.
Why are you conservative
@@RockPile_ because I see things like the constitution and the rights in our constitution regularly trashed and if it isnt safe gaurded then we will end up like the rest of the countries throught history.
@@christophern2818 do you value human well-being more or less than the protection of rights outlined in the US constitution?
Because it seems like Europe is doing certain things differently than us which go against conservatism and the constitution… but it turns out better almost every time.
So should we sacrifice all the gains we can make (by moving away from conservatism and some of the constitution) just to protect these rights… rights which can’t even be philosophically justified?
@@RockPile_ I dont believe government is there to take care of you and all your needs. Government is there to protect your natural God given rights. Also, the rights in the constitution are philosophically justified, backed up by thousands of years of moral and religious groundwork, thats how we arrived here. Also, basically any school of thought is started on axioms (things that cannot be proven or justified), but its up to the individual to ascent to a certain school of thought. It seems like you believe government is there to take care of each persons needs and desires, which i fundamentally disagree. People have the right to eat themselves to death, thats not a well way to live but its your God given right to do that or not. That is also the price of freedom, some people will use it to flourish other people will use it to gamble all their money away or lie to there loved ones or opt not to raise their children or donate to the poor. Our problem is not what system is the best, its the problem of human nature, and no system can fix that.
@@RockPile_ a million times over I would choose freedom over someone forcing me with the arm the government to live a certain way even if i would flourish under that boot.
Racist: **LONG RANT**
Destiny: Wait, why would that matter?
Racist: ... Well... because... It's all based on most of this stuff... I think, people try to be too factual. A lot of it is based on what you find is important. Do you find culture important? Do you find- just people, in general, as an individual for being happy... It's all based on that. I find culture... important because I think it's a way that can really unify a people...
These racists admit to irrational prejudice; they can't be reasoned with.
This guy is Canadian? We are not sending Destiny our best it seems.
Too true😔
He's American.
I'm mixed race... my mums white and my dad is brown. What should I do?
Your moms a race traitor, ask her why she couldnt get a White guy
T1memaster because you guys are pussies lol
@@T1memaster face it you underperform sexually 🤷♀️
@@T1memaster just curious 3 years later, are you still a virgin?
😂😂😂😂
Classic projection . We treated minorities horrible , so I KNOW they would do the same to us .
This "cultures don't *really* change that much" sounds almost the exact same as the "kinds" argument out of Kent Hovind.
Slippery Slope: The Debate
Slippery slope actually happens though. Such as whites becoming a minority in their own country.
@@anglozombie2485 lol this hasnt happened yet....
‘Western culture’ is a deterritorialized culture. We largely overcame the folkish tradition where arts and tradition lived and died by the people who performed them. But although western music and art undoubtedly grew out of a European cultural milieu it became the domain of transcendental individuals who developed purer and purer styles of composition. The art was sheltered in conservatories and museums, it was not spontaneously created by gatherings of people. Western art no longer relied on a communal practice but wrested its own domain where it could flourish in its own right.
Whereas folk traditions played an integral part in the operation of a community Western art no longer did. It withdrew into itself and thus became universally appreciable. Orchestras in Tokyo and Nairobi play Bach and Schubert precisely because it is not the exclusive property of any one people. This is one of the greatest achievements of Western culture, literally becoming an ‘anti-culture.’
Folk traditions are indispensably important cultural artifacts that can enrich life and instill a deep reverence for human history, but in the modern materialist world they will only exist at the periphery and will never retake the center lest we significantly regress.
Destiny makes a powerful statement around 1:16:30-36, namely, that Americans wouldn't have a defensible argument against Mexicans wanting to invade the U.S. because they essentially lost the moral high ground.
The same concept can be applied to Destiny's position on veganism - he believes that only humans deserve moral consideration simply because humans are capable of entering into a social contract. Clearly, non-humans can't. Therefore, he believes that we can basically do whatever we want to animals (And yes, he actually says this during the Vegan Gains debate).
But, such a worldview is ultimately based on prejudice. So, what would Destiny say to, let's say, an advanced alien civilization that wants to invade Earth and wipe out humanity because they don't think we are worthy of any moral consideration just like Destiny doesn't think non-human animals are?
JC Tutoring
He did this question. He said something like he would ask the aliens what they would say if he were to ask them the same question.
That's his reason.
So the solution is to pose the same question back at the aliens? That still doesn't give a compelling reason for choosing not to wipe us out.
right, there is no reason for the Aliens to listen to what we say or do.. they can go.. u guys kill each other.. why u blaming us?
If I were defending Destiny's position, I would simply say that yeah in that case might makes right.
I like listening to Destiny, but this is why I can't respect him and I'm grateful he's not my dad. He lacks empathy. He'd have no coherent argument against aliens using us humans as a food source, and keeping us in horrible conditions, he'd have to admit they have that right because they're more highly evolved than we are and can communicate on a level we can not (although I'd be interested in hearing what he thinks about Coco the gorilla who can use sign language, and who even taught it to another gorilla).
No empathy. Less empathy then Coco, who mourned when her pet cat died. He even says in this debate, that the only reason his son exists, is because he doesn't believe in abortion.
Yikes. 🤦🏾♀️
10 minutes in.
As a Somali, our culture is shaped by people outside of us. Indian, Arab, European, (France England and Italy) and our own culture. If you got a Somali 300 years ago he can't understand our current culture as much. Mainly with European influence. Our dishes a mix of ours Arab Indian Italian cuisines. Cultures change no matter what.
Tom J yeah I agree. Somalia 2000 years ago was pagan. more ancient Egyptian ( old Somalis) and dressed different. Now all that we have from that is the dress that old Egypt had is used by our rural people.
Ramses77 christianity is just as bad
Lodurr cause hes scared to be forgotten. its just a simple ego-driven argument
Ramses77 uh no? Lol
+Abdullahi Mohamoud
Sorry, but I've never spoken to a Somali before. I'm Italian, so I know a bit about our shared history. I just wanted to ask, how are Italians seen in Somalia? Good, bad or both?
I like how this guy inadvertently admits that white majority rule in the USA has forced certain people to assimilate, sometimes violently. I'm shocked that's not a bigger point here. He says several times that "minorities can be forced to change/adapt culture" and I'm thinking: "is there a specific example you would like to present?"
This dude’s entire argument is fear based. No reality whatsoever
I like how Destiny is essentially thawing this guys heart as the debate goes on.
There definitely are examples in Europe of cultures being suppressed. The prime examples that come to mind are the suppression of the various languages of Britain, France and Spain (specifically the Celtic languages, Catalan and Occitan). So in a sense I understand where the guy is coming from, though it is entirely driven by emotion - I want to protect languages because I have a love of history and would be sad to see them snuffed out, not for any practical reason that I can think of.
The problem with his logic however is that his answer is to become *more* authoritarian, which is *exactly* what lead to the type of suppression he is talking about in the past, without exception. These were all incredibly authoritarian governments. Rather than becoming more authoritarian and dictating to people where they can live based on hypotheticals and arbitrary rules, we should be working together to target governments and laws that actively try to suppress cultures.
The fact that he could not come to that conclusion on his own makes me wonder whether he really cares about culture (the idea of white culture is completely ridiculous to me as a European), or if he just really dislikes brown people.
What makes it even more ridiculous is that by advocating for a white ethno-state you are by definition advocating for the suppression (or well, removal) of cultures yourself. It really just reeks of thinly veiled white supremacy, not the desire to protect threatened cultures.
My brain lost this debate. Lost most of its braincells.
Ethnostate logic "We want to avoid people being forced to relocate and lose their place in the world so we'll do this by relocating people in the hopes that nobody will come along and force other to relocate because that's wrong".
This is like the same type of logic the reapers use in ME3.
wtf is this? is this just the same discussion twice in one video??
This guy was a special kind of loathsome. There's something almost bearable about types like Nick Fuentes who are open about their evil. Meanwhile, this dude kept self-deluding and playing the saint about what he was advocating for, as if he's doing PoC a favour and we'd understand because he's giving us a nicer ghetto to live in. As a second gen Australian and first gen American, it was so satisfying watching Destiny wreck him.
"BUT....."
29:51 he said there wasn't much multiculturalism in the past when the roman empire was one of the first globalized (for it's time) multicultural society's. Rome even had an african born king. There were several cultures within the empire
And look at how that turnt out for them destabilised within a century laugheble🤣
@@anglo-saxon9182 Rome fell for a lot of different reasons. Hopefully you're not insinuating that rome fell because of an African born King AFTER 100 YEARS 😂 because you wouldn't want to look stupid but all empire's fall eventually. Rome fell largely because it's GLOBAL empire split making it more decentralized. The Byzantine empire continued for a few more centuries but the military took over the original half. Once you lose democracy and your immigrants and devolve into a military dictatorship it's only a matter of time before it dissipates and new cultures and societies arise.
Wow I feel really dumb, I can't follow any of guy's ethnostate hypotheticals, at all. Like I'm honestly trying to understand what he wants, but i dont get it.
Minority is a concept that does not exist in the EU. I was constantly sitting on the edge of my chair waiting for destiny to ask what it is and debate it.
I am not good at this but ill try.
The way he sees minority can simply not exist.
I feel like the guy in this video sees the usa as a football match. 11 vs 11. and when he talks about becoming the minority he means that the opposing team is gaining people. this is completely not the case. these new people are just as forging to team A as team B. as matter of fact there are no teams at all there is no match. Its all one big bag of skittles that needs to work to together to set up plans to integrate these new people into this shared country.
the only way that his idea of an minority could come to existence is by having a country that suddenly would dubble in population over night. but as desTiny already said this could only happen in a hostile takeover.
exactly
I love how he rattles off all these European countries that he’s never been to.
I'm starting to think the reason these guys want an ethno state is that in their hearts they know what they did to the minorities in the US is horrible and they wouldn't want that treatment for themselves
"""Canadian accent"""
I don't like hearing the word "culture" this many times. Especially with his accent
Is this video 3 hours long and just starts again right in the middle for everyone else or is my UA-cam broken?
WhistlePig TV same with mine. I guess Destiny fucked up the footage.
Morgan Green right. I was a little disappointed. He usually talks about how dumb they are a little longer...
it's so painful when someone makes arguments, without any historical knowledge.
First:
White people don't share a common culture at all. Europeans have been dividing each other across all sorts of lines over the centuries and fought countless wars along those division lines. The HUNDRED year war was between catholics and protestants. Austrian War propaganda during WW1 went like that: Every Brit a kick, Every Frenchman a strike, Every Russian a shot and Serbia needs to die. (in german it sorta rhymes). White europeans literally hated each other for the most part. The viewed each others culture as infirior and with great contempt
Secondly
If there's a thing such as european culture than it's most essential incredients are Creek philosophy and the Bible. Both of which were invented by brown people. If culural mixing and developing is so bad, you should probably try to restore celtic believs and societal systems as well as the nordic faith and the countless other very distinct cultures before christianity.
Thirdly
As an Austrian some essential parts of my culture were brought here by the Turks. Famous Viennese coffee culture comes entirely from these invations. You can find onion shaped roofs of church towers all across austria (also from the Turks) and Austrias most beautiful church (imo) looks like a mosque. Google Karlskirche
The argument of course is even more pronounced when we look at spain. Spain was ruled by the Arabs for 400 years. FOUR HUNDRED YEARS. The left customs, food, architecture and even words, all of which are now essential to spanish culture. Do you have to get rid of that too?
It just maked me lose my mind if someone argues so stupidly
Destiny wins flawless victory
1:19:00 The irony of his arguement is that his solution to preserving the culture he claims to love would instantly destroy it because it follows no Western country's principles or beliefs and would kill those who did in the starting purge/ civil war.
Jesus this people are so dangerous, careful destiny.
Last 20 seconds was the best "this guy needs to end himself". Isn't that the truth.
lol this is some american history x thinking
true
I'm actually a German and I'm a minority in Germany but I don't get opressed by laws.
I just don't get how people can be that stupid. If you see a statistics on each countries IQ there's a strong correlation between developed countries having high IQ and undeveloped countries having low IQ. You know why that is? Because of the educational system. You can't judge 2 different people in terms of IQ if they've had completely different learning experiences. It makes no logical sense. If a guy had a great education while another guy didn't obviously the guy that had a great education would have a higher IQ. Also IQ isn't a determining factor of intelligence. Intelligence is a wide spectrum and you can't determine someone's intelligence over 1 test. Also there are tons of people who are extremely intelligent who have very low IQ.
Hahaha, nah
Styze Soulmaker Haha, *don't even try.*
I guess people with mental deficiencies just weren't educated right
Styze Soulmaker actually you're more right than you think on that joke point 😂
How can people think school makes anyone smarter. It's mind numbing
Just FYI> Hispanic is not a race. Those who most Americans refer to as 'Hispanic' are in fact Amerindian, or Native American. They are, largely, the descendants of the same people who crossed the land bridge some 20k+ years ago. Though of course there is admixture, mostly white/Amerindian, as well as other, such as black/Amerindian, etc.
I'm at 42:08 and trying to figure out where exactly it went so downhill.
"I don't care about native americans to keep existing". The problem with that is the natives might care about that Destiny and I am sure they do.
Hey I saw a huge Twitter post that lots of UA-camrs were retweeting about you getting sued I guess that's that for you, buddy! Enjoy jail, don't mess with the sceptics again! /s
source?
Mike Ba proof?
He got a cease and desist from JF, but his argument for defamation is so absurdly bad that he's going to instantly lose it if he pushes through LUL
you got a link or something to the tweet?
I can't believe how many morons actually believe Destiny's worried about being sued.
I even saw people retweeting his shut up dude you're hurting my case tweets as if it was unironic.
I can't even imagine having such crippling autism
Kudos to Steven for being patient with stupid idea.
Take a shot whenever he says “culture”
I like how hard he tries throughout this NOT to be overtly racist. "its not about race its about culture" yeah alright
Lolololol. Listen: 200 years from now, I don’t want my great grand son’s great grand son to keep seeing taco shops everywhere,,,,, it’s so important to me! Lolololololololololololololololololol. This is one of the funniest talks online ,,,, every 6 months I listen to it again,,,,, it makes me so happy,,,,,, lolololololololol
You aren't preserving the culture by fundamentally changing it. I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways. Until the ethnostate people admit that they want something completely different from what we have now they are largely incoherent.
Just discovered the channel from an interview I watched on The David Pakman Show. This is the second video I've watched and I totally love this, this is how you do it, you fucking interview someone while you play some video games. Awesome lol.
Destiny, America has the highest economy right now but that doesn't mean the people are benefiting from it right now. People need to work multiple jobs or have 2 incomes to afford rent. Healthcare is unaffordable. Homelessness is rising. Not as much work is available to the people.
But sure, we have cheap iphones and goods. Who can buy them.
Yeah, no thanks, not interested in going back to Madeira Island...
Say "schnitzel shops" five times fast
So it’s canon that Applebees is white culture
I can't believe it's people like this that were able to put somebody like trump in the White House.
there's an interesting article by a chinese american named crystal chen on foreignpolicy.com titled "i went back to china - and felt more american than ever" that tried exactly what this person is suggesting. she's american through and through and forsaked the privilege of being the majority in hong kong for being the minority in america. if anything, you could probably argue something for deportation based on legal status, but someone doesn't just go back to an ethnic homeland simply by virtue of being the same ethnicity. if it doesn't work for a homogenous eastern culture, what more for a western culture like sweden?
foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/21/i-went-back-to-china-and-felt-more-american-than-ever-hong-kong-race-relations/
this guy sounds like he fears being forgotten, and he'll hold up any progress for his own selfish reasons
Last time I checked, humans are the only race of intelligent beings on this planet so why are we dividing ourselves? My neighbors have different traditions and culture then my home and the same goes for every house in that neighborhood to the point where I don't even know if there is a true American culture. Gaming culture is what I consider myself in but others who consider themselves gamer culture are most likely way different then me.
The way this guy uses the word "ethnicity" completely f"cks with my brain.
I am a white guy who has no idea what generation american I am. I am the most progressive person in my family. I am Pagan drawing inspiration from a variety of regions. But I strongly enjoy Japanese music, games, and shows. With a lot of my favourite food being from Asia and american dishes inspired by Mexican spices & flavours (my city is famous for a large pan-asian restraunt community and being not far from the Mexican border.)
The way this guy uses ethnicity puts me in a super confusing spot. My race contradicts my choice of food which contradicts my religion which mostly contradicts my choice of media.