Questions, Coffee & Cars #80 // Is the EV slowdown a conspiracy?
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- This is a Motormouth couple car video answering your questions from Instagram, like: Will hybrids get more cost effective? Reliability of Infiniti Q50? Thoughts on Hyundai Kona? Toyota Camry over Toyota Prius? Audi A4, Genesis G70 or BMW 3 Series? Is the EV slowdown a conspiracy? Honda CR-V hybrid for big guy?
Andrea Instagram / motormouth_andrea
Zack Instagram / motormouth_auto
0:00 Intro
0:30 Will hybrids get more cost effective?
4:56 Reliability of Infiniti Q50?
6:50 Thoughts on Hyundai Kona?
7:47 Toyota Camry over Toyota Prius?
11:38 Audi A4, Genesis G70 or BMW 3 Series?
13:05 Is the EV slowdown a conspiracy?
17:40 Honda CR-V hybrid for big guy? - Авто та транспорт
totally agree with your Camry segment, to win back anyone buying an SUV while wearing rose coloured glasses, Toyota needs to back a Touring "wagon" option for the Camry.
Wagons used to be very popular i definitely think there’s a use case for them again
@@amde8554 If there was a camry wagon I would be all over that (we have a 2023 camry now). Almost went with a V60 recharge, but the resale & not trusting volvo reliability was a no go for me.
4:20 - 4:55. Not sure I want Zack for King but would be very happy to have him as "Transportation Secretary"!
I'd settle for Lord of transportation!
@@Motormouth... 🤣
Keep in mind, hybrids provide the biggest mpg advantage in city driving and not as much on the highway. So if you do a lot of highway driving the hybrid benefit is marginal.
Yes, if you're only considering mpg.
Many people drive on the highway, but into congested cities where hybrid really helps 😊
Great advice on gasoline, hybrids, plug-in hybrids and EVs  👍👍 You guys ROCK!! 🙂
I believe there’s a few reasons, number one being price. Also range, longevity of batteries and charging options
You guys are stunning. So authentic and enjoyable to spend time with. These QCC shows are like connecting with a valued old friend. May you keep putting out this content for many years!
Thank you very much, we appreciate the kind words.
Andrea in a world of division and discord thank you for being two people who build a sense of community and connection! All around Cars that is something we all care about and have passion for.
@@dennisjones8906 Thanks again, there are so many different opinions and not everyone has to agree with us but it opens up the conversation which we both think is so important and it's fun to talk automotive.
We love our 2023 Outlandler PHEV SEL. Makes so much sense for us. About 80% of local driving on EV, no gas used. But when we go on long trip no range anxiety or extra stops for charging
I wanted to get one and I saw an article of them not starting due to cold weather in the double digits. Mitsubishi's answer essentially was to tow it to a garage to have it warm up. Ugh
@@reaper1343 We had seen that too. Where we live does not get too cold. We also keep and charge in a garage.
How often do you go on long trips a year?
We feel the same way about our 2023 Rav4 Prime, Phev's are the way to go !
@kybruce1 where I live gets very cold so I was thinking this one vehicle may not be for me. I used to own a Chevy Volt and never had one issue. I'm looking for next year if Chevy introduces the Equinox Plug in Hybrid to North America. 🤞
I shopped for a vehicle recently and there was just a low amount of options in the class I was looking at for hybrids and the ones which were available many dealers couldn’t even keep in stock. There’s definitely demand we need the options
I purchased a 2024 CRV hybrid and absolutely love it. It’s missing some features that I wanted but it’s super comfortable and spacious. Drives very well! And great gas mileage.
I just went back to a sedan (accord) after shopping for larger 2-row SUVs to replace my rogue. The value just couldn't be beat, I got a brand new sedan for the same price as a used SUV, with better gas mileage and a massive trunk (cargo space for all the baby gear was my #1 issue with the rogue). If you don't really *need* third row seating a sedan makes a lot of sense. A plus/tip for parents car shopping, my 19 mo just climbed into the sedan and got into his car seat himself, he wouldn't have been able to do that this young in an SUV.
Wow for the last question - I was in the exact same boat last month. After 19 years my 05 Matrix was beyond economical repair. I miss her dearly but she served me well! I also decided on a compact SUV as my replacement, and while I loved the CR-V Hybrid, it was more than I was comfortable spending right now. I went with a lower trim CX-5 and so far so good
Congratulations on your 80th edition, always fun and informative 🎉
The best thing you said was "don't force people" but I guess it's ok to force hybrids.
For the person that was considering an Audi (vs. others), I might consider checking out a VW Arteon. A very impressive and overlooked vehicle, that despite being discontinued for 2024… is still available NEW from Volkswagen (starting a under $45,000 USD for a very comfortably loaded for remaining 2023 models). With some proper negotiation skills… he/she could get one hell of a deal! Thanks for the video.
My 2001 E38 with literally every option (TV, Cashmere Nappa with piping, premium multi speaker sound system, SatNav, heated rear seats, Comfort & Sport pkgs and the full M-Sport pkg (staggered tyres & rims, bespoke M5 special order iridescent Green paint) was an absolute dream to own (it found a new home a 287,000kms). My wife, aside from it’s $6,500 ZF 6-sp transmission repair… absolutely loved. Best car… maybe EVER… if you love long distance driving.
Regarding EV sales ... dealerships are the main push-back for EV sales since EVs require next to no maintenance, dealerships don't make any money on them (all dealership financial models get 90% of their money from maintaining vehicles).
Ev price in North America is way more expensive than others.
I agree with first question about hybrid should start first before building an electric vehicles. And for first time buyer are 2 good ones are the Kia Niro and Hyundai Kona. Few laughs! Great show Andrea! ☕️☕️
i love my hydrid
You're philosophy regarding the choice of electric gasoline or hybrid cars is a 100% spot on!! 👍🏼🇨🇦
Choice is the operative word. With a PHEV there’s a choice, two ways to propel your car.
My PHEV with a 43L (9.5 gallon) gas tank is rated to go 1000km (620 miles). I have actually gone over 900 in the real world and if I really took it easy I bet I could hit the full 1k.
I regularly do long trips and would really like an EV but nothing will match up to being able to put gas in the night before and then not having to think about gas again until I get home.
For anyone who can charge at home I think a PHEV is the best option currently for most cases. A hybrid for anyone who can't charge. Then an EV is only for people who have special circumstances or just are enthusiasts for the tech at this point.
EVs are a legitimate option for many, however, it only works for smaller group of buyers right now. You require the home based infrastructure and possibly a household with a secondary card capable of longer trips. I agree that a Hybrid and PHEV are best options for the majority.
The best km I've got on a tank of fuel in my phev is 1650km. Have a customer at work who's gone 7000km on half a tank of the fuel. I agree EVs aren't for everyone but if everyone actually took a realistic look at what they need in a car, most people could easily drive an EV.
@@stevenstewart1308 I'm talking about an actual road trip though, as in get on the highway and drive to another city. I regularly get way more than the rate 1k km if I only drive 50 clicks a day and charge every night.
What's more ridiculous is I've had oil change intervals where I'm only in my third tank of gas because the engine ran so little. I wish they would figure out a better way to track engine run time vs distance driven for the maintenance schedule.
@@Snerdles with a 400-500km range I could get to any major city I'd need to go to. If I had to make one charging stop to make sure I could get home it wouldn't be that big of a deal. The problem is 400-500km of range would be more than enough for probably 95% of the driving everyone does, but they buy a car for the other 5% of their driving.
My Volvo PHEV has gone 1268 miles on 93% of the 15.9 gal tank.
Yes, very valid point👍
It would be nice if you spoke to depreciation and reliability of EV’s.
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As much as I like the idea of hybrids, I don't like having the double complexity. The big selling point of electrification to me is not having the ICE or related parts to deal with. I think solid state battery technology will be the turning point for true realistic EVs for the masses. For now, I'm absolutely loving my '24 X1 M35i.. so much fun and smooth to drive and I've been getting 32-33mpg on the highway and mid 20s in the city.
It all depends on the engineering. I put 146,000 trouble-free miles on a 2007 Prius, 46 mpg lifetime, original brakes had 50% lining and pads remaining when sold. The biggest expense was the small battery in the trunk. Looking back from '24 that was almost 20 year old technology, obviously refined since then. Consider too that hybrid engines and related components have it easier with the battery helping propel the car. My PHEV engine, trans, and related components will have about 30,000 miles of wear when the odometer says 100,000. All in all hybrids and PHEVs are a net plus.
(Solid state? Gill Pratt, Toyota's chief scientist, says hybrids will see solid state first, cost is prohibitive for EVs.)
Zach...it's OK to own more watches....at the height of my "love" I had 100....you need more!....at 70...I will never own an EV....one happy thing to take to my grave! I have owned AMC, Ford, Jeep, Pontiac, Chevy, Mercury, Toyota, Audi, Mazda, Infinity, VW, Dodge, Subaru (23 in total) ....my all time fav's are a tie between a 1966 Ford Galaxie, 1976 Ford Elite, 2006 Jetta Diesel and my 2016 Dodge Durango R/T. Love you guys and the QCC Episodes!
I agree your steps of hybrids and then plug in hybrids. I foresee nothing but pain with the jump to purely EV's.
AWD Camry is a great option here for us Canadian's. I wouldn't mine giving up my RAV4 for a Camry.
Zack is correct, the man is not in charge of anything! All things in marriage start and stop with wife!! with that being said, great point from Zack, hybrids need to be expanded and why not Hybrid diesel, the power and MPG would be outstanding!! To help Zack out, Andrea is A plus so listen and learn or you can FAFO!
16:38 I was expecting something else when you pulled that finger
I got the ‘24 CRV hybrid touring 2 months ago here in Cda. Paid only MSRP (no add’l dealer markup, add-on & hidden/doc fees). Yes, paid more than a RAV4 hybrid but that wasn’t available as 1-1.5yr wait for factory order! CRV no wait time as stock on dealer lot! Right now, $1500 Honda incentive available plus $750 Honda loyalty offer! So far, very happy with it!
Must have cost you an arm and a leg. I could grab a lightly used Lexus NX350h for that price.
Hahaha Zack that's right if you get some one to push you save More Gus you guys are awesome
The biggest issue with an all-electric world, is the infrastructure and capacity of electricity generation - there just isn't any where near enough of this to be reliable and meet the demands. Hybrid would be so much smarter.
True for sure. Of course we are not expecting half the cars on the road to be EVs for 15 years or more so there is plenty of time.
Wait til there's more electric cars on the road and they charge you more than gasoline. PG&E in California already charges enough to make it not worth buying electric so just wait. Electricity is going to go thru the roof.
@@gsctht123 EVs will actually drive prices down not up. Think about it, more off peak power used vs AC which is by far the largest driver of peak usage. Off peak power is way cheaper for the power companies. In addition although a much smaller effect will be the second life of EV batteries where they are used in stationary installations to back up the grid to assist in the transition to wind and solar.
@gregkramer5588 Dream on. Prices never go down always up. Just my opinion. Greed in American is out of control.
Also, the resources needed. Like Toyota said, why make 1 EV when they can make 8 hybrids?
Totally agree on the phase in of hybrids & then plug-in hybrids!!!
I'd say, let the free market decide.
Great episodes! Do you guys have anything special planned for the 100th episode?
PHEV more expensive to make than HEV/ICE?
Agree- larger battery= higher cost-
More complicated?
I think it depends...
For example, Toyota's PHEV tech is IDENTICAL to it HEV synergy drive- the PHEV version just has a larger battery.
BRILLIANT.
There would still need to be a system to charge the battery so it's not exactly the same.
Great episode I agred wigh your take evs are not selling at the rate the companies banked on.
We always drive our vehicles over 100,000 miles. Toyota says that the life of the battery is 100,000 miles on avg. That's scary to think we would have to buy a hybrid battery. $7500.00 is a crazy thing to look forward to.
I like your videos , specially since you guys are Canadians . 🎉 but I agree with your comments about they should produce more hybrids and plug-in hybrids especially here in Canada. It’s so long the waiting especially for Toyota almost 2 years at least where I live here in Winnipeg Manitoba that’s crazy to be waiting that long and also the electric cars with the weather that we have here in Canada, especially in Manitoba in the winter gets to -40-45. they’re not that great for this kind of cold weather. Also, there’s a lot of people that don’t live in a house they live in apartments or they have a house with no garage. How are you gonna plug those vehicles? .
Hybrids don't have a plug, no issue
5:35 except Volvos as per Zack in another video.
I would love to get a PHEV and I did order a Hyundai Tuscon about 15 months ago and still haven’t heard anything about it. So I tried a Subaru Outback and fell in love with the room, roof rack ability etc. Now I will wait for Subaru to come out with a PHEV. I wouldn’t even look at the Solterra. I think what most are saying is true, stop trying to mandate EV’s only and offer plug in hybrids to reduce the gas consumption on those shorter trips.
Camry has a BIGGER TRUNK than a Prius in the real world… Sedan trunk space, in general, is so underrated… People are way too hung up on the max cubic feet, when sedans usually have higher USABLE square footage.
Has Lincoln ceased production of the Corsair PHEV? Am unable to "Build & Price" one on Lincoln Canada.
I just looked and you can still Build and Price, what I'm looking at came to $68435. The only reason I'm looking this is the only PHEV with AWD that can be towed 4 down behind a motorhome.
When will the Crown Signia be available?
It looks like a car that may catch on.
Until charging infrastructure is improved
EVs are....for lack of a better term...out pf gas 🤔
There are some that do not want that technology
to be a viable option.....yeah we're moving forward
but with the parking brake engaged 🙄
Thanks for the content you create
it is entertaining and thought provoking 👍
How about no mandates…let the market decide…I like hybrids and EV’s…but they shouldn’t be mandated ever.
I don’t know where the space is in the CR-V but I feel like I have less space in it than I did in the Civic.
Toyota's battery ratio of 1:6:90 make's perfect sense unless you're a politician.
Ford was ahead of its time with the Ford Fusion Plug in Hybrid and Fusion Energy just a few years ago. They stopped because people want full time EV Tesla. It should be easy for Ford to bring back the Fusion Hybrid and Energy.
The high price has curbed my desire for a Hybrid. I agree with Zack that hybrids should be manufactured first and that will bring the price down. I’m happy with my new gas vehicle which was substantially cheaper than a hybrid. I’m not interested in a plug in. The grid is not set up for plug ins.
I don't really care about cheaper when comparing ICE to Hybrids. It's the convenience of not having to stop for gas for over 3 weeks. I don't have one yet so I am waiting for my order to arrive.
@@Flying-Fox-of-Snowy-Mountainyes I agree and I’m happy that you have the means to purchase one. Enjoy.
If we were all serious about reducing emissions etc, we'd all be driving smaller cars i.e. reducing consumption. Seems to me cars are getting bigger.
The Toyota Matrix person doesn’t care about resale value, as all these cars will be worth less than a $1,000 when they are 20 years old! Scrap value of $300-$500. Go with the RAV4.
13:58 we would get EV or PHEV but like a lot of people in BC we live in appartement and charging is not available like in a lot of building.
We just bought a Subaru cross trek wilderness no more domestic. and we love it. ICE and no turbos.
Zach for Prime Minister! Vote for Zach!
honda civic hybrid European model is fantastic and arrive soon ....???
Although Camry and Prius have a very similar pricing, the Prius is still more fuel efficient than a Camry.
Hi guys, another great QC&C video!! Really enjoy this series. Can you clarify the 2025 Camry pricing? You said that the first AWD trim of the Camry is just under $38k and the base AWD Prius is just over $40.5k. But is the Camry pricing the standard "all-in" but taxes? From what I've seen elsewhere, they have the first AWD trim of the Camry with freight, PDI & fees included (as is standard now in Canadian pricing) at $41.5k
I still agree the Camry is the better choice, but just want to be sure I'm comparing apples to apples. Cheers!
Yes you are right, we used MSRP for the Camry because that was all we had, the 2025 model wasn't listed on the site yet for Canada. I got the MSRP pricing of the Camry directly from Toyota Canada at the drive event. Camry base AWD model MSRP is $37,950 CAD and with all the fees $40,932 CAD. The Prius base AWD MSRP is $37,650 CAD and with fees $40,626 CAD. You do get a few more features in the base AWD Camry like a moonroof and a big one for some is the temporary spare tire. The Prius has a tire repair kit. Either way, they are both great options. Thanks for catching that. What we should have done was use MSRP for the Prius.
@@andreaspencer9813 Thanks so much for the follow-up Andrea, you're the best! I drove a Prius and my biggest gripe with it was the visibility. I found both the rear windshield and the pillars to be too limiting to my sight lines and it just didn't 'feel' right. Haven't tried the Camry yet of course, but love the interior updates and the specs. I keep changing my mind on vehicles, I was all in on the Corolla Hyrbrid, now the Camry muddies the waters!
@@randisney6151 That's the biggest complaint about the Prius, the pillars get in the way. It's a real problem for some as well as limited headroom. The Camry is much better, more headroom and more space in general. I had never really considered the Camry for myself but Toyota has done such a great job on this new model. I like the Corolla hybrid too, it's priced well and won't break the bank.
Get the CRV Hybrid. I just bought one and it is excellent! Got it with the Light Grey interior (seat cushions front and rear), only offered on the Black exterior in Canada.
If only Honda would offer a grey or beige interior with the Hybrid… It’s only black!
Any word on a CR-V Hybrid EX-L ?
It's CAD $50k for it which makes it quite expensive vs RAV4 hybrid. You won't save as much but for the convenience of not filling up often is the point. I never look at 'breaking even' anymore which is now a thing of the past. Any vehicle you own you will lose, just enjoy what you get.
@@Flying-Fox-of-Snowy-Mountain Yeah, I rented a RAV 4 for a month and was less than impressed. Could have waited for the 2015 restyle, but the CRV was so impressive and with 2.99 finance rates it was an easy decision.
@@brandononbrand Not so, you can a light Grey interior in Canada on the Black exterior Touring trim. That is what I opted for.
@nathanhashman5895 checked, in America, the only way to get Grey interior is on Touring with a Black, Grey or White exterior... BORING and LAME... I need light interior with Red or Blue or some real color.
Also, I don't want AWD nor large wheels, and it's Black interior for every other trim, no matter the exterior color.
Definitely a conspiracy 🙂
I think plug in hybrids could be amazing. It could be used a house generator if power goes out. It could be used as power for camping trips/ you could sleep in your car with the AC on while burning very little gas. Supper efficient. Nice to drive.
I absolutely don't want the government making any specific decisions like that. Setting emmission standards is one thing but mandating a design is an industry decision.
Acure = higher insurance value !
Regarding the question about your viewer not wanting to deal with the Acura RDX track pad, rumors Acuras changing it for 2025.
Want to make a case for hybrids & EV's. Take a trip to Santiago Chile in December. Makes L A smog look like a day in the Alps
And an EV batteries worth of rare earth minerals spread among multiple hybrids and PHEVs can reduce dangerous emissions 2 to 6 times as much as one EV.
I think the reason sedans (ie Camrys) aren't selling as well is height getting in and out. At 68 and looking for something new (2005 Acura since new), I want something that will be easier to enter and exit. Small suv/cuv has the seat height. I would gladly buy a Civic hybrid if they weren't so close to the ground. Maybe 4 wheel drive on the sedans would help increase distance from the ground.
On the other hand, for those not handicapped or over 90, the MINIMAL effort a sedan requires over an SUV would likely make your doc smile. Same logic applies to a walk behind vs a riding mower and a two story house vs one story.
I'm a bit confused by one of your questions-
How can someone that has happily driven a Matrix (great car by the way- used to have a 2003 manual) find a Corolla Cross- let alone a current RAV4 (now built on the same frame as the Camry)- too small?!?!?
The price of vehicles is insane- surely some of this is the result of us consumers wanting more and more and more...
11:00 on sedans - EPA rates my Volvo sedan (on both mpg and emissions) better than the Volvo SUV with the same drivetrain, 12 to 15% . . . less weight, better aerodynamics
I have no idea why no other manufacture followed toyota with the hybrid game. The push for EVs by gov was shortsighted and we would have been a lot further ahead had that been done a decade ago. Hindsight 20/20 I guess.
10:43 Zack, the suv craze is here to stay.
Yes. you should be consultants for the federal government.
Damn Zack’s 7 series was a beauty! Just put a Toyota engine in it 😂
It was our 7 series and although beautiful it didn't start.
Ah, the James Bond car.
For me, the biggest downside on the Camry, Accors and the like is that they are too low for us plus sized Americans. Especially those of us who are elderly.
I live in a very red state and I think politics have really hurt EV sales. People here hate EV's, solar panels, wind turbines, anything that ain't Fossil fueled is bad. It's probably that why across the US.
Blame the 1 size fits all government.
So you’re saying people aren’t acting rationally based on technology but irrationally based on symbolism and feelings?
Ironic, because the American South can utilize and benefit most from solar and wind energy sources
What is the car you are sitting in for the video?
Toyota laid the foundation for their current success over a decade ago when they announced that all of their offerings would go hybrid. With the ups and downs in the market their progress has been gradual, but now they see a market opportunity where hybrids are going to rock and roll for at least the rest of this decade. EV's are inevitable but battery supply chain shortages and inadequacy of the electrical grid are issues that will not be solved tomorrow. On the other hand, the age of cheap gasoline is permanently ended.
Agree with Zach on approach to transition to EV should start with government mandate to phase out pure ICE with proven Hybrid technology (HEV) then PHEV before going all in on EV. The environmental impact of moving all to HEV will far eclipse the few with EV’s.
ICEs should always be an option for people that plan on keeping their vehicles for long periods of time (15-20 years plus) but low mileage, and for those who need extended high-power output throughout the work day They hybrids are a much better solution for most than the EVs, for sure. But there are a good number of applications where the good ol' ICE reigns supreme. At least with the current battery technology.
There really doesn't need to be a transition, all the Canadian government needs to do is add hybrids into their zero emissions target. Then hybrids, PHEVs, EVs and hydrogen vehicles are all options for consumers. There is going to be a point that production of gas models will slow, it's just the way it is. Many people are interested in hybrids and if they are part of the plan and are available to buy without long wait times, people will buy them. They are reasonably priced and deliver great fuel economy. It's really not that difficult to figure out. Consumers are sick of paying gas prices and want a break, hybrids are great for many.
I’d buy a Hybrid next time. For those may if us that do not have a way to plug in a car or truck, going plug in or EV is a big problem. Where is the technology to replace my F350 diesel with a hybrid? Where is the technology to refill an EV or plug in, in ~10 minutes? We have a long way to go with technology and the power grid. It’s ok to dream though.
I own a new Chevy Bolt EV and I love that car and I think EVs are the future, but I am disgusted by government shoving EVs down everybody's throat. EVs first appeared on the road over a hundred years ago. They're nothing new. Back then the market decided to go internal combustion. Let the market decide the issue again. Government stay Out! Gr8 vid as usual, guys. 🚙🇺🇸🔌⚡
If you take a strict laissez-faire approach to the market, then why not allow companies to dump toxic waste wherever they see fit?
When i see our pm drive with 12 surburbens i know they dont 'follow the rules'. Im happy camry is now hybrid only. Boy are they lining themselves for great success.
Andrea & Zack, First WE 🇨🇦🇺🇲 Need to Install 4 Charging Stations in Every Rest Area Upon the Highways and Byways ( Infrastructure )😎 Just Like Gas ⛽ Stations.😎 EV's by 2075😎.
The prius is a hatch... what do you mean is there a benefit to getting the prius over the camry. Hatches crush it for families
I think the government trying to mandate EVs really what hurt it. That and it seems like the manufacturers were only addressing on price segment (expensive but mass production). After the last couple of years Americans don’t want to be told what to do. For myself, I don’t hate EVs, I just can’t fit it into my apartment style, suburb living where local government isn’t addressing infrastructure.
All cars hybrid?! What if I DON'T WANT a hybrid?!
Excuusse Me! 😮
The loss numbers on EVs includes R&D for future products. EV sales are still growing. The slow down in Tesla has not happened with most of the others.
BMW EV sales are up nearly 80% year over year. I still think EV sales will be up about 30% this year for north America. There is no shortage of non EVs or models if you do not want an EV. I still think 50% market share for EVs in the US is around 2032.
E V market share is about 8%, not a chance it will be 30% this year
When it's a choice between Camry and Prius, it's all about their looks. Prius is a pretty car, but almost too small for average North Americans. It's a good choice for empty nesters that will seldom have people riding in the back seat. For families, rideshare and taxis, Camry is the answer.
EV slowdown is a reality, not a conspiracy
There isn t a conspiracy EV's are here to stay they re too expensive right now and the infrastructure is no where near catching up soon. Also range anxiety is a biggie especially in cold weather and also as you ve said B4 the early adopters have what they need.
How about we try freedom Zack and let people buy what they want?
Zack, people don’t Need EVs, they actually Want them and would switch from ICE in a heartbeat IF the price of them would be lower and you could either fully (ie 10-80%) fast charge them under 10 minutes (Polestar can already do it, very recent news) or had overnight charging wherever they live.
People want the convenience that gas stations offer. Full tank in 5 minutes. But once they can charge their EVs at home, it will no longer be an issue.
And all these issues are constantly being improved upon.
19:33 CATL’s latest LFP battery is exactly what every EV needs (no range loss in winter, no fire hazard for LFP chemistry, and you’re good to charge it to 100%). No wonder it got that major European award last year.
Only 8% market share in North America for EV, the market clearly has spoken.
@@Motormouth..., so less than 1/10 in NA (USA & Canada).
And so far only ~1/10 because of:
1. not enough lower priced options (lost 2/10 of buyers)
2. not enough public chargers for some (lost another 1.5/10)
3. not able to charge at home (lost 1.5/10)
4. doesn’t charge fast enough (lost 2/10)
5. doesn’t go far enough (lost the last 2/10)
But ALL these are constantly improved upon.
So it’s only a matter of time.
@@Motormouth... 20% in BC.
Instead of mandating hybrids, we should have a global carbon price, phased in over several years. As the price of gas predictably rises, it will cause everyone to adjust.
My daughter got a RAV4 as a loaner. I was shocked how cheap and junky it was. I can’t believe that Zack and Andrea are so obsessed with Toyota considering they drive a Cayenne and a GTI.
I don't think the govt should even force hybrids. If the tech is superior, people will buy them. There are use-cases for a variety of configurations.
Honestly, if the government really wants people switching to hybrids and electrics, maybe a carrot approach would be better using subsidies for buyers. Would this be a better option for you?
They would also need to be investing into the infrastructure to support the demand, which they aren’t really dong and is required to be done well in advance of the rollout.
100%
Remember, these 2 are in Canada. They are used to not having rights and believing the Govt. is the best entity to listen to. If they had actual freedom of any kind, they would stand against their Govt. mandating anything. They are used to being in prison, so that explains their answer there. That is also why they think EV sales are actually going up.
@@DannyFyffe… that literally does not make any sort of sense. In Canada we have generally have different values than you folks in the USA. That doesn’t mean we are beholden to our government like you seem to think we are. You literally have the same type of mandates in the USA. What are you talking about?
This is an asinine take my friend. It’s clear we need to cut emissions. Its clear electrifying power trains can greatly help. If it was left to the market and tech - that wouldn’t happen in the same way and on a timeline that makes sense. Thats just a fact.
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#2 Toyota Motor Corp. (TM)
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Vehicles sales overall, Toyota sells more cars. VW has many luxury brands, which pumps the bottom line.
They give so less for the incentives for EVs and Hybrids.
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There were two points made in this video that I disagree with. One was when they discussion was that all vehicles should go to hybrid by a certain date. The other, and related, was when the question was asked about a compact hybrid SUV that will last for 20 years. THAT'S my issue. I've driven all of my vehicles for 20 years or longer, upwards of 150k-200k miles. I would like to know WHAT EV battery (hybrid, plug-in hybrid or EV) will easily last 20 years without worry of replacement. Or further, will NOT lower the resale value of the vehicle in 10 years? Who would want to buy any such a used vehicle when the battery is literally a roulette wheel of chance every day it ages. And another point...who can even guarantee that a specific type of battery technology or battery pack will even be available 10-15 years down the road? And at what cost? Manufacturers can quickly "obsolete" a part when there is no profit to be made in it's manufacture.
That's why I'm looking for ICE engines ONLY. They will stand the test of time, can be far more reliable than any EV battery, and will have a much higher resale value 10, 15 and even 20 years into ownership.
Hybrid taxi-cabs easily go over hundreds of thousands of miles/KM. Hybrids have proven to be the most reliable car category for many years.
@@Motormouth... Thanks for the reply. I'm not talking miles, I'm talking time. The taxi situation is not similar at all. I'll be retiring soon and my driving will probably drop down in the 5,000 mile per year range, maybe even less as we do our vacation travelling by motorhome. Secondary (rechargeable) batteries DO NOT like to sit for extended periods of time. In fact, just the opposite, they THRIVE on use.
@@rickjagodowski1581 The issue with hybrids, PHEVS and pure EVs are battery replacement costs. While hybrids will be much less because the battery is smaller, it could have to be replaced at the 10 year mark. We just don't know what the future holds. Will we have all new battery technology and these electrified vehicles we are buying today, not even have batteries available to replace them. At this time, pure EVs are loosing 10 times the value of gas models. One of the reasons is Elon Musk, he lowered the prices of Tesla models and that has caused a huge problem in the market. There is nothing wrong with buying a gas model today and keeping it for the next 20 years. We have gas vehicles and don't plan on selling them, they are paid off and we are happy with them. i think everyone needs to do what works well for them today and if you want a hybrid, a PHEV or a pure EV, go for it but no one knows exactly when the battery will have to be replaced, how much it will cost or what the vehicle will be worth in 10 years. Of course, you can always have issues with the gas model you buy as well but we understand them better, the technology has been around for a very long time.
By almost all reports, Toyota hybrid batteries are still going strong after 10 yrs. That said,I can understand your concern about the status of a battery in 15-20 yrs from now. You are an outlier on the number of years you keep your cars but on the other hand, congratulations -- I'll be your total cost to own is also an exceptionally low outlier number!
@@danhall3450 You're right, though I've never actually counted the total cost of ownership. If I take out a loan to purchase, I usually pay it off in half the time, so interest is minimal. Plus I do 99% of my own maintenance on all of our vehicles, so I'm ahead of the game there as well.
The down side of holding onto vehicles so long is the "sticker shock" when I start looking for a replacement vehicle, as I am now. 😀
People that rent would have a big problem with plugging in a car. The 2035 deadline for zero emission cars is a joke! The electric charging and hydrogen infrastructures are not there! Plus batteries and charging stations hate winter.
Another huge thing about plugin hybrids or battery electric vehicles that is not talked about at all is that these vehicles are only good till the battery lasts, so maybe 10 years or so if you are lucky. They are truly disposable vehicles. I refuse to buy a vehicle that will not last at least 20+ years without a major investment.
Great video. I am not convinced thst Toyota and the fan boys are right saying were brilliant with Hybrids. I think its more they had no real EV options, rushed a half baked EV to market which didn't want snd were bought back. They has good Hybrids available and people flocked to those, more luck than planning. Zach is right Frits is a classic example of not fully understanding EV's with production costs killing any profit on them. So if are not making you scale back
the only issue is who have that much money to buy more and more expensive car when they made the same and with other things they need to pay got more expensive.
Where are you getting your car charged for free? You often refer to being tired of paying for gas. I have to pay for my electricity too.
But you pay 5 times as much for gas (if you charge at home).
J D Power 2024 reliability survey: "Korean Twins" average 1.9 reliability issues per car (1.87 & 1.98), Honda averages 2.06 per car. The average for all cars is 1.9. Much gnashing of teeth about relatively little.
The R&D costs for all manufacturers to go all Hybrids, then Plug-ins, then EVs would be astronomical. Toyota is doing fine now with their hybrids for now, but they're going to be left behind after betting so much on Hydrogen rather than EV. Same as all the other Japanese manufacturers.