"But that is a story for another day so let the Barbie wars begin." The Style Theorists: *proceeds to get in an infinite loop of letting the Barbie wars begin*
Yes style theorist just needs to cover this since the video doesn't talk about bill lil that's the doll ruth brought back copies it and turns it into barbie. .
Nah Ruth straight up stole the idea. The original “Barbie” was actually called Lilli and was from Germany. Despite first searches she was NOT a call girl, she was literally just an office worker.
@@dandantsm6560 if you're interested there's a video from a few months ago by Darling Dollz that goes further into the topic, they do great research and you can look for specific sources after if you like. But basically he sued Mattel, Mattel countersued and one dude with a few thousand dolls couldn't afford to battle it out in court against the already wealthy toy company Mattel. In the end he lost all rights to continue creating Lilli. Thus "ruined"
Mattel lied about a lot of things. For example, you'll be surprised how dirty Mattel did the Bild Lilli dolls that inspired Barbie by rewriting history and presenting the character as a slut.
@@kamikelly3908Nope! She was actually an office worker! And all panels used to present her as one were taken very out of context. And Ruth literally stole the design. Look at the first Barbje and then look at the Lilli doll, they are almost one-to-one except Barbie had removal shoes.
The creator of the Bild Lilli comic and doll also sued Mattel for copyright infringement settled for an undisclosed amount and an NDA waiving any rights to his character. He was not allowed to produce any dolls, or to make any more comic strips.
Fun fact: in the 1970s after Barbie was released in the US, the East German toy company that owned the IP to the Lilli doll sued Mattel for copyright infringement. Mattel agreed to pay a settlement (and eventually buying the toy company that owned the Lilli copyright) and agreed to change the design to differentiate the two dolls. The company sent an order for a design change mostly changes to the face and those order were sent to the recently war torn country of South Korea. And the man who designed the eyes for Barbie which is still in use today was my great grandfather.
I still consider Rolf Hausser to ~technically~ be the creator of Barbie. While Ruth created the character, it was the Bild Lilli doll itself that allowed Barbie to exist in the first place.
No, the idea and the patent belong to the same person and it's certainly not Ruth. But Mattel lost all the courts in Europe when she tried to close the line of Steffi dolls. They lost and now everyone can produce dolls with legs that bend and legs that do not move apart while sitting
The movie explicitly states that she invented Barbie... Completely skipping over the fact that she just bought the Lilli doll, and slapped the name Barbie on it. I guess copyright and intellectual property wasn't that important yet.
hey tried but they failed. He had to shut his toy company down and sell the rights to Mattel. And Mattel slanders poor Lillie hard who just was an office worker who dated different men to find one to marry.
This is what I wanted the other theory channels to be, some else on the theorist team host the channel. They could have spaced it out. While Mat-pat hosted the game channel, some one like Dan could have hosted the film channel, and Amy, or Stephanie here could have hosted this channel. Imagine my surprise when I switched channels only to hear Mat’s Voice again.
Not exactly. Jack was so experienced he designed most of the functionality parts of the doll. As part of his compensation he was supposed to receive a percentage of royalities because Mattel couldn't pay him a huge payout initially. He got stupid rich but Mattel eventually stopped paying him.
Is that why Mattel got the contract to make M16s during the Vietnam War? I was wondering just what qualifies Mattel to make arms but a former Raytheon executive....well, that explains a lot.
Except that Barbie they show as the first one actually wasn't the first one and her name was Midge. I have one and get but is stamped with Midge, not Barbie
The idea wasn’t exactly novel with the lily doll either. Paper fashion dolls were a thing forever. Something similar existing doesn’t discredit the invention of a new one for an untapped market.
Okay so what I got from this was neither of them "invented" the Barbie she stole the idea of Barbie from someone in Germany. Just should have stopped there she came home with a dolls from Germany that looks just like a Barbie doll
Barbeneheimer was a prophecy from its creation.
Another prophecy leading to a quest from the haunted skeleton in the attic
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So Barbenheimer was a thing from the beginning. Got it 👍
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"But that is a story for another day so let the Barbie wars begin."
The Style Theorists: *proceeds to get in an infinite loop of letting the Barbie wars begin*
Plot twist: its just the start of our Terminator Loop lol
Yes style theorist just needs to cover this since the video doesn't talk about bill lil that's the doll ruth brought back copies it and turns it into barbie. .
yea this was actually the smoothest loop i've come across from the theorists
I mean she still came up with the idea by bringing something back for inspiration, maybe not the name but still the idea
"Inspiration"
@@Convoy00Xas she should
@@saltedcaramel88 wat?
Nah Ruth straight up stole the idea. The original “Barbie” was actually called Lilli and was from Germany. Despite first searches she was NOT a call girl, she was literally just an office worker.
@ivyproductions7097 an office worker that walked down the street in a swimsuit and flitted with a police officer when he tried to arrest her?
Wait, if the two heads of Mattel made barbie and weapons design, theoretically barbenhaimer could have been a thing (this is a joke)
Is this where the phrase "blond bombshell" comes from?
They really should've included a glimpse of Barbieland's military industrial complex in the movie smh my head 😔
smh my head?
@@jules1997yes smh my head
@@jules1997It could go like this.
*shakes my head*
"My head..." The person groaned.
That's what Oppenheimer is
Bro watch barbenheimer
What's with Barbie clashing with guys related to weapons?
Only nukes can keep her down. But never long enough.
So barbie had a law suit the moment she was born…
take a moment to think about that
Over custody battle no less
What am i supposed to be thinking about
@@aaronmazur8056I wanna know too
Nah let bro throw his 'adult parties'
Yeah, if everything is consensual where Is the issue?
Fr the guy was 100% right
@@5ashll303 some take issue with things they find weird, like me
@vanswock9277found the bigot
@vanswock9277 FR BRO
Never forget that Mattel ruined the guy who originally designed the Bild Lilly doll.
Ruth completely ripped her design off.
The slander is also very strong. How dare a woman have a normal office job and dares to date different men?
I can't believe they mentioned the doll in this video and brushed past the legit theft that Barbie was built on
Didnt she bought the rights to Lily?
How did they ruin him exactly? You can't just claim it as if everybody knew it already
@@dandantsm6560 if you're interested there's a video from a few months ago by Darling Dollz that goes further into the topic, they do great research and you can look for specific sources after if you like. But basically he sued Mattel, Mattel countersued and one dude with a few thousand dolls couldn't afford to battle it out in court against the already wealthy toy company Mattel. In the end he lost all rights to continue creating Lilli. Thus "ruined"
They're both wrong because they stole Bild Lilli in the first place and lied. I'm not on either of their teams 😂
Mattel lied about a lot of things. For example, you'll be surprised how dirty Mattel did the Bild Lilli dolls that inspired Barbie by rewriting history and presenting the character as a slut.
Wasn't bild lilli a call girl?
@@kamikelly3908Nope! She was actually an office worker! And all panels used to present her as one were taken very out of context. And Ruth literally stole the design. Look at the first Barbje and then look at the Lilli doll, they are almost one-to-one except Barbie had removal shoes.
@@ivyproductions7097she was an office worker but she was still considered promiscuous
@@kamikelly3908 She's an office worker
The comics clearly portray her in a "slutty" context
The creator of the Bild Lilli comic and doll also sued Mattel for copyright infringement settled for an undisclosed amount and an NDA waiving any rights to his character. He was not allowed to produce any dolls, or to make any more comic strips.
He didn't make the Lilli comics, he licensed her likeness from Bild. Greiner & Hausser was the company Mattel ruined
Ok so, the truth is that Barbie wasn't an original idea of either of these creators. That should be the point.
Not to forget any of the other shady history behind Barbie. Its amazing how much effort one goes to slander someone they wronged.
Nice to see Amy have the spotlight for a bit. Can't wait to see if she comes up again in future episodes
Barbie had a rough childhood therefore she will be insane in the Barbie movie BUT THATS JUST A THEORY A STYLE THEORY keep looking sharp.
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Isnt that a film theory
Well, that definitely explains all the tax evasion jokes that were in the movie
Jack is literally Oppemheimer, this cannot be a coincidence
that seamless loop had me accidentally watching this short a dozen times 😭💀
The power of Barbie is keeping MatPat’s abilities as strong as ever
So, none of them. The Barby "invention" was just renaming the Lily from Germany.
Yes
I mean they made her face less squashed but I guess that's on the designers and not them
Not really, Lily was a doll for adults and only adults
Theory idea! What is the best looking and most useful outfit for any apocalypse?
Matpat should make a theory on Smg4 because it has a lot of interesting lore!
He’d spend so long watching hours of videos and many being useless 😭
Fun fact: in the 1970s after Barbie was released in the US, the East German toy company that owned the IP to the Lilli doll sued Mattel for copyright infringement. Mattel agreed to pay a settlement (and eventually buying the toy company that owned the Lilli copyright) and agreed to change the design to differentiate the two dolls.
The company sent an order for a design change mostly changes to the face and those order were sent to the recently war torn country of South Korea. And the man who designed the eyes for Barbie which is still in use today was my great grandfather.
I still consider Rolf Hausser to ~technically~ be the creator of Barbie. While Ruth created the character, it was the Bild Lilli doll itself that allowed Barbie to exist in the first place.
Ruth found Lilly and tooked the design to create Barbie. The end
Literally copied you mean. Not even chinese knock offs can compete with that.
Goodbye Matpat we will miss you
He sued for royalties for the work he did on creating the body. He did not say he was the creator of Barbie.
What if they both stole the idea from someone??? lol
😮
They did.
You are correct.
No, the idea and the patent belong to the same person and it's certainly not Ruth. But Mattel lost all the courts in Europe when she tried to close the line of Steffi dolls. They lost and now everyone can produce dolls with legs that bend and legs that do not move apart while sitting
Wouldn’t this be more movie theory then style theory or am I just overthinking
Well she's talking about the doll who is all about fashion and get ups and not so much the movie.
Barbie is a fashion doll though so it works
The movie explicitly states that she invented Barbie... Completely skipping over the fact that she just bought the Lilli doll, and slapped the name Barbie on it. I guess copyright and intellectual property wasn't that important yet.
Dude, i didn't even notice when it looped back
Is Barbie a undercover agent for GI Joe?
We need Oppenheimer lore now
I get the feeling this girl doesn't often choose to wear pink. 😂
Barbenheimer.
i just realized that mattel is the company that made the owner of unofficial (a roblox game) have to shut down
The loops are so much smoother now
Based on what I've heard, the Barbie movie was trash. 😬😬😬
We love it when Amy gets her well-earned spotlight
Nice end cut for a great loop, editors ❤
I already knew all of this because of “the toys that made us” docu series
they probably chose Ruth because she's female.
So they pretend that Ruth invented Barbie cuz she’s a woman
stfu u don’t even understand the story so you’re gonna make this a thing about women
Mattel being cool dude
But yes Ruth being on
Seeing amy on here was a pleasant surprise
Matpat, we now need Barbie lore
Theyre both wrong because Barbie is a Lillie Rip-off, at least the OG Barbie was.
World war Barbie ✨
Where is Mathew pattew
the way she speaks so akwardly lmaoo 😂😂😂
This needs to be a Hbo mini series.
reminds me of oreo and hydrox
omg i didn’t realize this was a Style Theory vid for a sec! but omg! i didn’t know that!!!
Barbie: "our product was inspired by a similar European version"
Oppenheimer:
I mean if it came from Europe they can't just steal the design so whoever had the idea for the European doll should be the one doing the suing
hey tried but they failed. He had to shut his toy company down and sell the rights to Mattel. And Mattel slanders poor Lillie hard who just was an office worker who dated different men to find one to marry.
They were literally barbie and oppenheimer
interesting that raytheon is famous for sensors and radar that guides misiles, even on nucelar warheads
Barbenheimer goes way back damn
Not the barbie vs Oppenheimer again 💀☠️💀💀☠️
This is what I wanted the other theory channels to be, some else on the theorist team host the channel. They could have spaced it out. While Mat-pat hosted the game channel, some one like Dan could have hosted the film channel, and Amy, or Stephanie here could have hosted this channel. Imagine my surprise when I switched channels only to hear Mat’s Voice again.
I love Amy voicing these shorts
Do a shorts wars theory please
These loops need to stop being so clean
Wait… so you’re telling me that barbie was partly created by a guy that made military equipment?
Barbenheimer is canon
And in 1945
Oppenheimer opened its operations in 1945 as well
I think if it was a Barbie war jack would win as he has history with Raytheon
The Barbenheimer lore continues!
Suddenly, Barbenheimer makes more sense
Not exactly. Jack was so experienced he designed most of the functionality parts of the doll. As part of his compensation he was supposed to receive a percentage of royalities because Mattel couldn't pay him a huge payout initially. He got stupid rich but Mattel eventually stopped paying him.
This whole short brings up more questions than answers (then again what can you get from lore channel)
Is it me or matpat is soo pretty here
I almost didn’t recognize this was style theory ☠️
Well (and spoilers of the barbie movie)
They did kinda aknowledge this in the barbie movie
Is that why Mattel got the contract to make M16s during the Vietnam War? I was wondering just what qualifies Mattel to make arms but a former Raytheon executive....well, that explains a lot.
So Barbie is actually a weapon or designed like one
Ruth Handler looks like Betty White
Except that Barbie they show as the first one actually wasn't the first one and her name was Midge. I have one and get but is stamped with Midge, not Barbie
Barbenheimer was a cannon event
IRL Barbenheimer
That is not MatPat.
because Amy is spearheading the style theory front
So I guess Barbie and bombs have always gone together. The first Barbie doll was even produced in Japan.
The idea wasn’t exactly novel with the lily doll either. Paper fashion dolls were a thing forever.
Something similar existing doesn’t discredit the invention of a new one for an untapped market.
Wait, Barbie may have been created by a guy who started at Raytheon as a weapon designer.... So Barbenheimer isnt as mich of a stretch as we though?
i love how crazy style theory is, I LOVE ITT
Matpats looking a bit different recently
The theory style is so distinct, I new it was you guys without checking or have matpats usual voice
Okay so what I got from this was neither of them "invented" the Barbie she stole the idea of Barbie from someone in Germany. Just should have stopped there she came home with a dolls from Germany that looks just like a Barbie doll
The fact we actually have a pitcher of the daughter Barbara is pretty telling
Ruth Handler I think
I just realized she is using the same eye and like charicatures that game theory uses. Awesome!!!
Maybe because its owned by game theory
NO! IT CAN’T BE! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
barbie lore so deep matpat became a woman
they are literally babrie and opoenheimer
It makes me want to rewatch the mini barbie documentary on Netflix lol.
This feels like this was supposed to be uploaded on the fim theory channel lol
Well I just that's why the movie came out on the same day as Oppenheimer lol
"Weapons design-" OPPENHEIMER?????!?!??!