The Mandalorian Season 3 Feels Hollow
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- Опубліковано 2 кві 2023
- A Review/video essay going into why The Mandalorian season 3 feels hollow. Overall a major step down from season 2 and somehow even Grogu/Baby Yoda feels artificial now. This video will also be covering the first 5 episodes.
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I will never forgive The Book of Boba Fett for wrapping up two of The Mandalorian's major story threads left at the end of season 2. It left this season barely anything to work with character-wise.
Fans of the bobf (of which there are several) were annoyed that mandy hijacked 2 1/2 episodes of that show, while the rest of us were annoyed that Mandy’s major arcs were shoehorned into that shit show at all. Still , episodes 5 and 6 of BoBF were the only two I didn’t actively MEH
yeah I can't believe they did that, wtf were they thinking
now imagine a new fan trying to rewatch just the Mandalorian in 10 years.....what a trip they're gonna have.
i was so confused when i started this season and grogu had just… appeared
Totally, and also it ended up taking out protagonism of Boba Fett himself on his own serie
I found it insane that Mando’s arc of being accepted back into the tribe was concluded within three episodes. The entire season could’ve focused on how Mando desperately wants to reclaim his glory as a Mandalorian, which could greatly contrast with Bo Katan who disagrees with Mando’s beliefs as a Mandalorian. Bringing back Grogru was such a waste of time too. Besides the flashback in order 66, there has been almost nothing for him to do. I like the idea of him becoming a foundling, but Disney is afraid to age him up past a baby so there’s a huge limit of what you can do with him.
my thoughts exactly
Eh he should always be a mandalorian because that’s the name of the show. They just need to quit mucking around with these dumb side quests
yeah pretty much, I think it is just more disappointing, because many of us saw this series as a true revival of Star Wars instead of those garbage sequels and spin off movies that we got instead. the first season of this show was so good, even the 2nd season had some good moments. but I never watched Book of Boba Fett, I had to find out that they showed mando and grogu on this other spin off show for some reason. Then the 3rd season came out, and it seems like they are REALLY dragging out as much as possible, and I don't think they really know what direction they want to head, which eventually result in the show being bad either way
Like the first season should have focused on getting pieces of armor in beskar
That would be stupid look at the bigger picture, we get to see more about mandolorian culture and see them come together and who will lead mandalore what is their fate that’s the point of the MANDELORIAN. it’s sad how simple minded you and the creator are being not seeing the series come full circle. Now I do think it’s bull that he gave the dark saber up but I’m sure he’ll get it back. Yes you need to watch all the Disney plus shows theirs literally only two not including obi wan that are moving forward the post empire but before Rey arc. Their trying to be like the mcu, and stories always have been connected.
The thing is, in the original script grogu never returned to Mando.
not an excuse
@@Clayton_Graul it is John and Dave wanted the show to end but Kathleen Kennedy forced them to make season 3 John and Dave wanted another year to write the script and make the show better but Kathleen forced them to get it out early.
Edit: a war I have started into exile I must go.
@@Jordan61112 source?
@@knightr0685 online mf looked it up you lazy fuck
@@Jordan61112 early is like 3 years?
The story naturally ended at the season 2 finale.
They should’ve made this Bo Katan season 1.
imagine if they make a bo-katan series tho 💀
@@SuperiorShrek they are
@@lukeberko701 no way 💀
I disagree s2 finale was not a natural ending, there was still a lot to explore with the darksaber and the mandalorians being divided in their ways and Din being unsure of what his place is in all that, and most importantly Din realizing that he wants to be Grogu's father and that parting with him is painful. Basically the natural ending would have been Din going through one last journey and then reuniting with Grogu.
@@Rubiecat then why did they reunite grogu and Din in another tv show? Also, they haven’t explored anything this season, grogu and Din are side characters. It’s focused on bo Katan saving dins life, being handed the dark saber and becoming the new ruler of Mandalore
Andor has really broken Mandalorian for me. This season of Mandalorian just feels so shallow and uninspired, there is so little character development and a lack of interesting storylines. Everything also feels sooo rushed and superficial. The side characters are basically nothing more than glorified extras and one of my significant issues is the look.
Their reliance on The Volume/ILM Stagecraft is just breaking this show's look. Everything feels cartoon and fake.
Grogu, no matter how cute he is, is also a major negative for me. Him still being around is clearly just to sell merch.
Andor's usage of real locations and big sets makes it feel much more tangible and seemingly real. Ferrix is an amazing example in my mind. They have created a pretty rich background story, customs, and rituals through their environmental storytelling.
In Andor there is also a red thread that goes through every episode, most characters are interesting and have their own goals and stories that should be told. The action feels impactful because it's used sparingly so when you get an action scene it hits like a truck.
Lol just started rewatching Andor to wash out the bad taste Mando left in my mouth
I love that there are basically two types of Andor reviews.
1) Intelligently written posts like yours that praise the storytelling and richness of worlds/characters and appreciate that it's not trying to be a Micheal Bay movie
2) BOOOOORING
The oddest part to me is that they're seemingly portraying Din's clan as good guys? When this season startes I WAS SURE that his arc this season would be learning that his clan is a cult with stupid rules and he doesn't need to follow them to live a fulfilling life or to have a purpose. But for some reason he's more committed than ever and shows no signs of leaving them, and the Armorer is portrayed as this moral, wise person as opposed to the controlling, irritating character she is.
This is exactly how I feel. Season 2 made it very clear to us and Din that his clan is filled with traditional extremists and yet here he is trying to redeem himself to these people?
@@themikx2939 Cause hes Just like Than
@@themikx2939 It reminds me of the memes of Din going crying to Boba about being kicked out of the clan and Boba just replying "dude you killed a Krayt Dragon, have full beskar armor and wield the Darksaber, you should tell them they aren't Mandalorians".
They are doubling down on Mando staying in the cult, which will keep his helmet on. Which is important because Pedro Pascal is leaving and doesn’t wanna do the show anymore.
What?! That is like saying the Jehovah's Witnesses are good guys and everyone else is bad. Who's idea was that?
Bad Batch has had Mando's pants down. It feels like Mando S3 is a vehicle to set something up, be that in the following season of Mando, or in Ahsoka. S3 is so messy, like the writers don't know what they want to do
Which is weird, because I’m pretty sure both shows are written by Dave Filoni
It's funny because the big guy is getting more development than Mando and he's Jon Favreau himself
That would be fine if it wasn’t favreau. I was never too crazy about having these cool warriors just being background decorations
Paz Vizsla is my guy 😂 I want more of seeing him then Mando
He feels like a DMPC from d&d, a self insert character that overshadows the players
@@austinbevis4266 my favorite background Mando is the guy with mostly maroon armor with a white shoulder pad, everyone else with mixed match colors are lame
@@justcast1429 yeah I’m disappointed in the strewn together outfits
Returning Grogu was the shittest fucking take they did and I will forever hate the writers for doing this.
I was hoping to see him return in future seasons or like ten years in the future.
Hell they could've done a spin-off with him all grown up, trained and talking
I completely agree, I feel like this season was very lacking, and some of the scenes were just completely unnecessary or were just there to be mentioned episodes later
I expect the show to be like: "Hey, remember when IG-11 was brought back for a short amount of time in Ep 1? Well, he's back now in Episode 8!!"
Who even care about IG-11 like seriously
this aged like fine wine
To me, the show would be perfect if they just ended it at season 2 finale.
Kinda true tbh the first few episodes had a lot of parts in it that did not need to be there and didn’t make sense yeah bathing in the waters needed to happen but that first part with trying to rebuild IG didn’t need to happen.
they even brought back the little midget tech aliens from andor, like wtf
What I hated most is that he insisted on the specific droid, made a big fuss. But then the next episode the scrapper lady says "nah, no parts" and he just accepts the first droid given to him, which is what the High Magistrate guy suggested in the first place but Mando refused vehemently.
just feels like there is a lack of an overall plot now
I wish the show would stuck with being episodic. I liked that almost every episode was Mando going to another planet, have a cool action scene, and take down a bad guy. Sure it wasn't deep, but it was way more fun.
It's like Mando is back at the beginning of his development. He is cold and shows no emotions towards nobody. To be fair, it's hard with the helmets but I felt his personality more in the last season.
Exactly. I am introduced to Stars Wars through Mandalorian & the main reason is Fatherhood of Mando & Grogu but now they are deviating & pushing Bo katan to become the leader 😢
Man episode 6 was even worst imo.
I think they have always done good on the mandolorian and I like this season it just feels like random episodes. There still really good, just kind of random
Episode 4 has a child in the belly of a pterodactyl for 2 days and the rest of the Mandalorians just let it happen. So much of this season is just trash.
I agree with the first part. However, I disagree that they’re still good. Episode 2 was tolerable, Episode 5 was fun at times. The rest is garbage.
Ok, there is 2 things that should’ve happened
1: Luke should’ve let Grogu visit Mando, cuz he should know after everything with Vader that the lack of connection is what led Vader down the path of the Darkside. This adventure in season 3 would be a “summer vacation” type thing for Grogu as Luke would feel that strengthening his bond would give him more motivation. This way it wouldn’t undo the first 2 seasons while we get to see Grogu more
2: Mando prolly should’ve kept the Darksaber. I wish his arc would’ve been him accepting the role of the Mandalore & Bo Katan coming to terms that she’s not anymore
I agree they honestly should have dropped in, I don't really mind Mando's appearance in the otherwise mid Book of Boba Fett. But really if this is going to be focussed around Bo Kotan, just make a Bo Katan show.
Cause now we're just watching Mando, who's pretty much completed his arc, look after Grogu who's also just completed and Ark, and Bo Katan has (understandibly) taken the spotlight.
You could make a show about her that still follows Mando for a few episodes.
Season 2 was very formulaic imo. I enjoyed it overall but it made me want season 3 to be more serialized and character driven. Sadly what we’re getting is just an underwritten mess.
I agree, I loved how S1 felt like an older Sci fi or western serialised show, where the point was the characters, not so much plot. IDK. The grander plot takes away from what they had going, I think.
Episode 6 is the biggest evidence of this so far
Season 3 feels like Favreau was putting off writing a term project until the night before it was due.
This is par for the course for shows and movies nowadays. Putting something out is more important than putting something good out.
I need to know why they played the video message twice in the last episode. Like, why???? That's like Film 101!!! 😭😭
Seems you remained correct, seen as the new episode was an entirely pointless sidequest with some Bo Katan stuff at the end
And whoopsie, won't be getting Mando getting better with the darksaber now
I love that the bad batch is objectively better in most respects to the Mandalorian. Hopefully the Mandalorian picks up in the second half very soon.
Mandalorian*
For real. Bad Batch s2 really surprised me at just how great it is.
Not really, Bad batch is the same in quality, if not worse. Almost all of its episodes are filler. There is no overarching plot, and nearly all characters are 1 dimensional with very little character development. That's not to mention the lack of tension in fight scenes due to imperial incompetence and lazy writing. Why would the bad batch return to Cid when they already know she is untrustworthy?
@@marwana4834All these problems are shared by the Mandalorian as well, except that Mando only has 8 episodes to work with.
One can only imagine the oddness of Grogu's armor/helmet if he ever uses it.
Episode 5 was the first episode this season where anything has even happened. Even if you don't think this season hasn't made the Mandalorians as a whole a bunch of idiots who can't prevent their own kids from getting eaten, it's just been empty so far
And even then, episode 5 was mostly about the dumb seaweed pirate and Nevarro. The only relevant plotline set into motion was the ending scene regarding Gideon.
THANK YOU!!!!! I haven't been able to put my feelings into words and this video did it better than I could've. I couldn't figure out why season 3 felt so boring and off, like something was missing. This made my feelings make sense.
Katie Sackhoff did an interview about Season 3 and she said it would blow people's minds. There have been some cool and interesting moments for sure but nothing particularly mind blowing as of yet we will see what the last 3 episodes bring. Also in that interview she insinuated that Bo Katan was actually the villain and no one can guess what her true plans and motives are.
Do a video on succession
dropped It half way through episode 2. It felt like it was wasting my time
You are BRILLIANT ❤ because EVERY single POINT you made is astoundingly accurate and amazingly astute!!
You should be a script editor on the show because you highlighted everything that was paramount to making this season the success that it's been in the past two.
They really dropped the ball, and the season was far too short, especially on episodes that counted. Too long for ones that didn't.
I'm one of those people who didn't know you needed to watch BoBF, I'm sad
It feels like Dave Filoni is spread thin. I imagine he’s been working primarily on the Ahsoka show, which is where most of his fame and success comes from. It seems that the introduction of Thrawn in Ahsoka might spill into Mando. The budget for Mando seems to have gone to that show also. I mean there are no reoccurring characters in this show so far. It’s Bo-Katan, the armorer, Grogu and mando primarily. Everyone else seems to be in quick shots with no meaningful development.
4:42 I think thats exactly what they’re doing
Season 2 was setting Mando up to be the greatest Mandalore ever and reunite his people and reclaim Mandalore. Season 3 threw all that in the trash and turned Mando into a useless man in distress that can't even swim. Sad to see what the leadership of Disney is doing to Mando.
He has been saved 3-4 times so far
It’s so blatant now lol
Totally agree with this video. I think not having Grogu in this season would have fixed many of its problems. I feel like Gorgu and Din’s relationship should be replaced by Bo and Din’s!
I wonder if Andor not coming out would have me trying to defend the show. Like I thought some cool stuff inbetween a lot of filler would be as good as star wars would get but the way Andor had competent writing, interesting character arcs and action with stakes it just put all the quality of the other shows to shame
Same, I don’t know if Andor severely raised my expectations and I would’ve liked this season beforehand, or if it’s just as bad as I think it is.
@@ImTheReverse Combination of both, if I'm being honest
What amazes me is that season 1 and 2 were written by John February, and yet season 3 feels like a completely different TV show
I'm sure the showmakers saying they don't intend the show to end or progress to a big finale has nothing to do with this :)
You hit the nail on the head with this. Your thoughts 100% match my own in this video, and it's clear this is higher-ups in the studio meddling with a show thar had been their gold standard. Don't fix what ain't broke, Baby Yoda (I refuse to use that awful other name more suitable for a Gamorrean) is going to overplay his presence and lose his appeal. They should have done this season without him until, at the very least, the final episode.
Mando has accomplished so much up until this point, he basically should be nominated to be the Mandalorian clan leader at this point, the story should’ve switched track to a conflict between Mando who won the darksaber by right, and Bo Katann who needs the darksaber to unite Mandalor, & this could’ve kicked off a war between the two Mandolorian factions.
Grogu never should have returned unless it was about a plot down the line of the war where Bo Katann perhaps launches an attack on Luke’s new Jedi temple to kidnap Grogu to force Mando into defeat, or if Moff Gideon somehow returned.
The writing is reminding me a lot of GOT S8. They rushed through the whole being accepted instead of having it be his long term arch while doing other stuff and maybe realize he’s better off alone or something. They messed up in canceling S2’s emotional ending like it makes it feel like all that was for nothing.
Yes, The Mandolorian should’ve ended after Season 2
YES You're saying everything I was thinking!
Excellent video, and you're spot on 👏👏👏
I agree with you, they definitely shouldn’t have brought Grogu back, and this show should have ended after Season 2
I understand why some fans are feeling let down, Din is getting less time, Grogu coming back so soon and in a different show. But personally I am loving the focus on Bo Katan and hoping for more rebels connections like Ezra, Sabine, and Thrawn. Obviously we've been hearing that some of these characters are or may be in Ahsoka. Also interested to see what the remaining imperials and Gideon are up to and finding out more about how Gideon got the Darksaber and what happened to Kelleran
Great video! Watching season 3 I felt something was off and you perfectly summed up all the problems of this season. Lack of direction and lacklustre pacing, pointless episodes (I chuckled when you expressed hope that the show will pick up the pace after episode 5, can't wait for your comments on the droids episode xD), Nevarro (why the heck this town doesn't have any defences whatsoever, it's stupid). Grogu feels out of place - he's cute, but him being cute is getting boring, and imo he should have just stayed with Luke, this would be such a bitter-sweet but fitting ending for season 2. But then he just got back immediately, mitigating the emotional impact of season 2 ending. And how they handled this reunion? It happened in a spin-off show... And the writers clearly don't know what to do with him now. Like, are we supposed to take him becoming a Mandalorian warrior seriously?
But the biggest problem in my opinion is Din. As you said, he doesn't have a character arc anymore, only a quest to get redeemed. And it's frustrating cause the opportunity was right there! Make this quest longer but more impactful. Make Mando question the creed and what it means to be a Mandalorian. Make him realize that he doesn't need to follow old dogma to be one, that the Armorer's way is not the only way. Maybe then he would be able to wield the Darksaber, as he wouldn't be conflicted anymore. Then he could become the one to unite the tribes, the bridge between the old and the new. Instead, Mando is just there, and at some point, he's starting to feel like a secondary character in his own show.
The thing I find baffling about this season is how they could have made it work by simply moving Din’s redemption to the end of the season. By doing that, it would make the few actions he does for the Mandalorian Covert, like saving Pav Vizla’s son, giving his land on Nevaro to the covert, and trying to reunite some of the Mandalorians, have much more weight to them since they are noble acts in tribute to his people. It wouldn’t feel like the writers were just wasting time, and give the writers an opportunity to truly build upon Mandalorian culture through questioning whether or not bathing in the living waters is really necessary. They could also use that opportunity to explore the other Mandalorian characters by having them express their interpretations of Din’s attempts at redemption. Bo Katan’s underbaked arc could also be fixed because her primary goal is to reunite as retake Mandalore, so assisting Din would benefit her directly. Honestly, what the heck were the writers on to not use this?
Ok so it’s not just me. This season is definitely off somehow.
Ok guys, season 3 has officially aired. Now say what you will. If that wasn't a game of thrones season 6, slow burn beginning and grogu battle of the bastard king in the north ending, I don't know what is. 🎉🎉❤❤
thx as usual, but for this video, ur english voc did improve & enhanced mine ♥
I thought Mando was joking when he said he was gonna cleanse himself in the waters on Mandalore... did not enjoy this storyline.
Well he is a privileged male so...
They should have ended it at season 2 but it's Hollywood
No that doesn't make sense
Once a Jedi showed up it was all over...
My favorite show, has become just another commercial for another show 🤨
Agreed, the character arcs were complete, the story goal was complete. To continue the series would really be starting a new story from scratch, which mean if you want to use the same characters, they need brand new arcs and brand new story goals that don’t repeat/regress into being identical to what was already covered in the past seasons. What season 3 feels like is they’re meandering at the end of a finished story and not properly starting a new one. Sequels/new arcs need to justify their existence and so far there’s just no justification to continue following these characters if the writers aren’t going to do anything meaningful with them.
Hollow-wood
@@stevesmiff you mean ashoka?
Ppl that hadn't watched The Book of Bobba would be confused for sure.... A mistake of Disney to pretend that the fandom of a series must watch another to understand what is going on.
Cool vid buddy
Woah about learning how to use the darksaber? Boy do I have news for you
10:29 such a missed opportunity to say "somehow".
Like a bantha!
My feelings exactly.
This is an incredible and thoughtful criticism of how Emory this season is and how its a cheap Grogu money shot show that is becoming the Bo Katan show
I watched and enjoyed the first two seasons but after hearing about Boba Fett and Grogu coming back out of season I haven't bothered with season 3 at all, I'm just not interested in what might happen
you're not missing much, literally nothing important has happened
We’re 5 episodes in, here’s what has happened so far: Moff Gideon escaped offscreen, Mandalorians might be involved. There, now you’re all caught up!
@@ImTheReverse They way the mandalorians weren't even involved in the end-
Just watched Episode 6 and I was thinking
What the hell happened?
The show feels like mediocre video game side quests
There are barely any stakes or character development at all
I wish this season would be about din and gorugu and their family relationship and Grougus training
Woouuu I thought I was the only one feeling this.
are you going to make baby yoda/grogu with subtitles 5
John Favreau can write good films. He isn’t a show runner. Disney needs to learn the difference between the two.
True, he was mainly responsible for the train wreck that was book of boba fett as well the destruction of the character
I have found this season to be very underwhelming and uninteresting so far. While I liked the story arc of Mando going to Mandalore and trying to be accepted back into his tribe (which unfortunately only lasted three episodes), I’ve found the other storylines (the mission to rescue a foundling, the space pirates, Grogu training to be a foundling, Bo Katan becoming the leader of all Mandalorians, all of the mysterious stuff going on with some of the former imperials, etc) to be a bit boring.
Also, I don’t like that Grogu is back. It just undermines the finale of season 2. I think that he should’ve stayed with Luke and this season should’ve ONLY been about Mando trying to be “redeemed” and along the way maybe trying to figure out who he wants to be, with the season finale also being the SERIES finale.
Grogu is a foundling, so he is a Mandalorian already.
season 3 has been mega disappointing. before andor, the mandalorian was my favourite star wars content. season 3 is a quality drop of like 60% of a handmaid's tale. episode 5 was the best yet though.
I wish that Mando never got Grogu back, it would have made his sacrifice much more emotional and significant
They should have made this Bo Katan season 1 with Mando being an actual side quest
I like Bo Katan becoming more prominent but they should be doing more with Din. They should be an interesting duo and they have good chemistry but both characters are undeveloped. Also I don't have an issue with Bo saving Din once in a while. Din isn't perfect and has made a ton of mistakes in the past.
I completely agree
I've enjoyed this season of Mandalorian for what it is, but it's definitely no where near the quality of the past two seasons. It's similar to Obi Wan in terms of having a bunch of random stuff that does little for the overall plot. To be honest bad batch season 2 has been better than the concurrent Mandalorian episodes.
they made bo-katan the main character replacing Din from his own tv show
When he said I’m hesitant of continuing the baby Yoda but with subtitles series I thought to myself please please do also am I the only one who’s actually like in season 3 so far???
I think his character growth by learning that bots aren’t all evil
It does feel like they couldn’t to a Jew series surrounding no kata after book of boba fett.
i honestly really liked the season finale, but i really struggled to get through the beginning of the season because it just felt SO uninteresting compared to the s1 &2
something that wasn't mentioned is how the children of the watch are viewed as good people, they aren't though, they're an extremist cult and bo-katan knew this
not even characters like pre viszla followed "the creed" and maybe mandalore being demolished made its survivors become desperate but still bo-katan saw a lot of things in her life, she wouldn't join it
i feel it'd be better if din brought the mandalore water back to the armorer only for the armorer to say it isnt actual water from the mines because its just water, not magical like they think and that'd cause Din to finally learn the truth and leave the clan for good
Can you do more baby Yoda a.k.a. Grogu with subtitles
You forget the other mandos aren’t characters they’re props
Idk if you know this but the only reason grogu was brought back was because KK wanted him back, and interfered with the BOBF which almost caused JF to quit
The book of Boba Fett was definitely Kathleen. Kenny’s fault not Jon Favreau
Meanwhile at episode 7, 8 and 9
Why are so many people not actually holding Jon Favreau responsible? He let himself be credited and took all the money to make a mediocre season of TV. He was paid millions.
I don't care what happened behind the scenes, working with the execs is normal for show writers, even if you don't agree, you can still compromise, or...make a plan for the series and have it pre-approved by the executives before starting?
Man that Lizzo Jack Black episode… this is worse than Kenobi
No it’s not
Yeah that was next level dogshit
Star Wars hollow…no way 😜
100% agree with you
It very much feels like they’re just going to reveal thrawn at the end of mando s3 as being behind everything including moff gideon in order to bring viewers over to the ahsoka show which is annoying bc the two shows should be able to be intertwined without the downfall in writing we’re seeing
Season 3 is the Bo Katan disney kid show
let grogu LIVE he is a sweet baby and is just trying his best. this season is lit y’all need to chill
What about bad batch season 2
So it got better, but not by that much really.
Should have only done 2 seasons and then have Din as a character that shows up from time to time in other star wars media but noooooo grogu is too important because merchandising xP
I also found the season hollow, but also for another reason you didn't mention. In the first half of the season, the majority of the fight scenes come out of nowhere, with little to no buildup and often with a jarring transition. So I had very little investment in them and was left wondering "OK, why do I care? It's just another random encounter to fill up screen time." Maybe if they had done their homework and put more energy into the non-fight scenes, those fights would have seemed more meaningful.
I love what you’re saying, but I feel as though it’s already too late. With just a couple of episodes left, there’s no way they’ll be able to make up for the meaninglessness we’ve seen so far.
I hate to say it, but The Mandalorian peaked in season two. 😢
I like that they show the flaws in The New Republic, but it is the Mandalorian. I wouldn't say it is a bad show but at the moment, it is a bad Mandalorian Season