Why Jesse Didn’t Take the "Out" Rex Offered Him
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- After watching the end of TCW, I was left with a couple burning questions, one being why Jesse didn't take the out Rex offered him and didn't circumvent Order 66.
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Jesse's death really hit me.. discord.gg/geetslys
Geetsly's me too. It is the third saddest part in all of the clone wars after Fives and Tup’s death.
I was heartbroken
I still can't watch the finale episode
Although for a second it looked like Jessie was standing down
@Geetsly's why didn’t the Jedi use a mind trick on the clones to reverse the order
Ahsoka: just stall him
Rex:So errr, Jesse. Did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plaugeis the wise
I didn't think so. It's not a story the jedi would tell you
When I first saw this their were 66 likes. Now their are 67.
Rex: soo.. Jesse. Have you heard of the tragedy of Fives?
Jesse: goddammit Rex this is why I'm holding you and Ahsoka at gun point.
Sweet, like number 501.
@D'niro Gavin “It’s not a tail the Kaminoans would tell you.”
"Jesse didn't take the bait."
Almost....He lowered his guns. HE LOWERED. HIS GUNS. God Palpatine can CHOKE.
Ribotto Studios which guns? His biceps or his blasters? Lol
Math123432321 Farawila both
@@MathFarawila I mean you got me there whew lol.
But to answer both
Choking pappy palp? Kinky
@commander cody CODY NO!
Jesse: Hmm...maybe Rex is right...
*Instantly imagines being called Commander Jesse*
Jesse: Nope, you're a traitor and you must be demoted
Lol
Del Sinko La Otso no
@@jacktheflash8478 yes
Beginning of season for Rex (now a commander)
Last episode with Jesse “lol no”
Funny but Jesse could always command another regiment inside the legion
Jesse is a great example of the tragedy of the clone troopers.
Have u ever heard of the tragedy of the clone troopers the best soldiers?
Ironic, they all fought and died for the Republic, only to destroy the Republic themselves
RyanMann141 well they really just destroyed the Jedi, the senate voted in favor of turning the republic into the empire.
@@galacticbananastopmotions7292 hm yes and no , but anyway let him be happy ok? Dont ruin it.:)
Cmps 1262 Thank you....
Easy.. Promotion... Captain 5597 “Jesse” has a nice ring to it..
Rex was promoted to Commander so Commander jesse
Communist Sovite Dog- what?
Ryan Harcrow jesse would be a commander not a captain
@@gkdunch yeah
Captain Jesse doesn't sound that great
Rip Jesse. He didn’t deserve his fate.
Rip Jesse. He don’t deserve his fate.
RIP all clones. They all didn't deserve there fates even after the war
supershadow343 true that
No brother did.
It's sad because it was his destiny, the true purpose of the Clone army was to eliminate the Jedi and give Palpatine power
The Umbara arc showed the perfect motivation for Appo and his half of the 501st to Brutality massacre the Jedi at the Temple.
Exactly, the chip might not have even been needed and they'd be like "yep, we've seen this before. let's go stop em boys" *pew pew shoots traitor Jedi*
Was Appo in the Clone Wars? Did he even have any dialogue? I don't remember Appo in Clone Wars
José Luis he was in one scene, maybe a few more, in the Umbara Arc. Krell orders him to go save Rex and his men in episode 1 or 2 I believe.
@@ttv_mrjack6749 They probably wouldn't have killed _every_ Jedi though without the chips. Under Anakin's leadership, the 501st have seen both good & bad Jedi leaders so I think they would've killed Jedi that seemed like traiters and ignored one that weren't...if any dialogue took place that is. Both the Clones & Jedi would defend themselves from being attacked so maybe all of the Jedi would still end up dead.
The inhibitor chips made sure the Clones thought all Jedi were traitors except when told otherwise like Anakin/Vader.
I doubt they would've still killed the Younglings besides in self-defense. The Clones aren't _that_ heartless.
I remember very vaguely in the Umbara Arc a Sergeant Appo
“If Ashoka is Krell, then Rex is Dogma” that is really what it boils down to
Lol
I mean, Ahsoka was pretty loyal to Rex too.
But Rex never killed Ashoka.
@@pedrokantor3997 He would have if he didn't have his chip removed. Just because he was unable to does not mean he wouldn't if given the chance with the chip.
Carly Crays I see you everywhere.
-NOOOOO YOU CAN'T KILL AHSOKA, SHE'S NOT A JEDI!
-Haha good soliders follow orders
Haha blaster goes pew pew!
Did anyone really think that argument was gonna work?
Haha pew pew!!
@commander cody i mean i followed my orders but just with my fist and not my gun
Oh god....
The Chips were intended to be much more ‘insidious’ huh..
In sidious. Palpy wanted it!
good one.
bruh
You think Palpatine uses "The Insidious Sidious" as a stage name?
@@averagegeeker4684 DEW IT!
Seems like Jesse was briefly able too consider it but his mind shifts because of the control Chip, and as a result accuses Rex of treason against the republic.
It’s not like he didn’t consider it, it’s just that the Control Chip overrode any thought that would be considered treason. Even if their was some success, it would not have lasted long due to the programming of the Control Chip that not even Rex could resist for long.
I was gonna say it seemed like he wanted to resist and listen to Rex but he ultimately couldn’t
Edit: you can see that he’s realizing that Ahsoka isn’t another krell due to how Rex and Ahsoka are acting, but the chip said I dont care abt your feelings lmao get wrecked GG
Makes it hurt even worse
What's sad is if Rex hadn't said that Ahsoka has been "Marked for termination by Order 66", Jesse might have been able to cling to that logic long enough to break free from the spell, as this line is what the chip clings to in order to snap him back into Order 66.
@@Zeknif1 But again, this shows just how far Palpatine had things planned-he needed Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, and Padme dead to Anakin. He needed him isolated. Hell, let's just throw Rex onto that list because it seems that Sidious personally calls him to make sure he does the deed. Had Rex made it back to Couresant, Vader would have killed him for killing Ahsoka
@@carlycrays2831 I'm not entirely sure about that but I do agree Rex and pretty much all the surviving clone troopers would have been marked men since they were now aware Sidioius's plan
“SHE’S NOT A JEDI!”
*”lmao I don’t care”*
I think that most of the 501st clones (including Jesse) were partially resisting order 66. The members of the 501st was shown very often to be creative and smart, yet in this episode they were outsmarted by a few droids. I think that they weren't trying their hardest and only doing the minimum of what the chip made them do.
Yes, but you should also note they hunted Ahsoka down like a pack of rabid dogs and they ultimately did corner her. Blowing up all the escape pods at an early time is a perfect example of this(even though rex was commanding at that point) rex even makes a comment on if they weren’t trying to kill them, he’d be proud of the way they operated in shutting down the venator. I believe if Ahsoka was replaced with about any other Jedi even those on the council they would not have survived (plot armor of course)
@@Kazaam818 Yeah especially considering Ahsoka got shot like 4 times, albeit all in non fatal places. Arms twice I think and the I forget the other 2. Thats what makes the Clones so scary, is they still are elite warriors and the best in the galaxy. They can hit their targets
@@jonathanmarcus1096 So were Stormtroopers, unfortunately as the villains they don't have the benefit of being shown to be as intimidating as they should be due to going up against the main characters, I'm sure much of the same training clones did was transferred onto Stormtrooper training.
@@Kazaam818 Right, but I think that they were (maybe subconsciously) not doing their best. These were the same clone troopers who captured and killed Pong Krell, yet even when they had Ashoka pinned down and incredibly out numbered they were beaten by a group of droids.
Coren The Whoren yeah it’s been confirmed that clones had aimbot in their helmets so 🤷♂️I think stormtroopers had something similar but clone troopers are far superior
Have you heard the tragedy of Arc Trooper Jesse? It's a republic legend
Rex: so Jesse.. have you heard the tragedy of the Arc trooper Fives?
Jesse: too soon Rex.. too soon..
Rewatching this, I have a theory: Jesse did struggle when he got the order. His struggle happened out in the hallway before he burst in and shot at Ahsoka. Why didn’t he hesitate when Rex offered him those outs? Well, he did. He listened to Rex when Rex was talking. He hesitated when Rex was talking about disobeying. He even went so far as to grandstand about their execution, declaring loud and clear and slowly that he’d be demoting Rex and then executing him next to Ahsoka Tano, who he specifically took the extra few seconds to label as a traitor before finally telling the company to ready their weapons, aim, and then was interrupted by the droids. He hesitated. If he hadn’t, he’d have just shot Rex and Ahsoka, and the other clones would have followed suit. Now, here’s why he didn’t actually TAKE the outs offered: because of the chip. It’s that simple. Rex struggled the most of any clone we’ve seen, and even then, he nearly shot Ahsoka and threatened a droid with destruction because it displayed a message from her. No hesitation from him there. If the droid hadn’t shocked him unconscious, he’d have shot Ahsoka in the head. If Rex, the clone who’d resisted the most, couldn’t disobey the chip after it had activated fully, how could Jesse? He couldn’t fully resist it, so the ARC delayed. He delayed, inwardly hoping that Rex and Ahsoka had a plan to get out. I’m sure the other clones there did too, or they’d have just shot Rex as well for committing treason along with Ahsoka for being a traitor. Even the 332nd clones on the bridge of the Venator hesitated when Rex snapped at them not to shoot her and that he’d do it, only opening fire when Rex finally did. If the chip had fully overridden their minds into thinking what they were doing was entirely right, they’d have shot Ahsoka anyway despite the order from Rex not to since Order 66 would have trumped his order not to. Essentially, most of the clones on the Venator Ahsoka was on did resist Order 66, but their resistance wasn’t noticeable enough to be a full outright refusal to carry the Order out. The chips ensured that they couldn’t resist it entirely, so they did what they could: delaying when possible and stretching everything out so Ahsoka could have the best possible chance of survival.
Except no they wouldn’t. The chip does not override military protocol. If Rex ordered them to hold their fire under the belief that it was still on service of Order 66, they would listen. The chip doesn’t make them blind drowns, it just warps their minds. That’s why the chip can be overrides through either enough willpower or a loop hole.
Don’t believe me? Look up the Kanan comics where the only reason he survived was because a clone disobeyed the order
yeah a lot of these vids highlight just how fast the clone troopers, let alone ARCs, are. Getting them to delay that microsecond might be the difference between life and death.
@PsychoFN it wasn’t
I don’t think there’s any doubt or morals within Jesse at that moment. All the other clone protagonists raised their weapons and fired, even ARC independents, even longtime friends. Bly and Bacara laid Mundi and Secura out. A hype-surrounded 501st shouldn’t be any different.
He's was never a bad guy. Without the chip, he wouldn't have ever carried out the order. He loved Rex, who was one of his best friends, and Ahsoka a ton. One of my favorite Clones and characters in all of Star Wars. He was such a very nice and extremely kind person too. Palpatine took all that from him. Jesse will always be a hero in truth!!!! I'm not gonna blame him or any Clone for their actions. They don't have free-will in truth. Jesse may be associating Ahsoka with Krell, and therefore be extra motivated to kill her. But in truth it's not really him, it's still the chips. I can't believe he, or any single Clone, would have ever considered killing Ahsoka or Rex, without the Inhibitor Chips
In legends they did
I mean if they thought the Jedi were traitors why wouldn’t he put the greater good over Ahsoka. It’s like Obi-Wan not killing Anakin
HaroldDaSavage Obi wan wasn’t executing order 66.
@@kingorange7739 Yeah-that's why I never liked the explanation in Legends. I felt it didn't make any sense psychologically. You don't fight alongside people you grow to love for years and become best friends with, and then murder them without a seconds thought. The legends one only makes sense with Clones who were brutalized and abused by the Jedi they served with, but for the other half that loved the Jedi, it doesn't work. You would have like 5,000-6,000 Jedi still alive, which is why I hate the legends explanation. I like lots of Legends, but not the order 66 piece
Jonathan Marcus I have to disagree. To me it’s a matter that they were indoctrinated their whole life to be loyal to the republic not the Jedi
I think Jesse had the same inner fight when order 66 came out, like Rex. He just was backstage and we couldnt see it. Rex only hesitated at the beginning, but after the Chip took Conrol, he was ready to hunt Ahsoka without any doubts. I think the same happened to Jesse. Once the Chip took control of the clones, there was no way back
Because the order actually works on former jedi as well. The Darth Vader comics shows this fact on Mon Calamari. The inquisitors were attacked after a jede mindtricked the clones
Rex: Jessie don't shoot she's not even a jedi!
Jessie:Ha! ha! dc-17 goes phew phew
i was about to say "Wait that's not what they used" then i realized he was an arc tooper
I think it's also possible that he didn't know about the control chips so he didn't realize that those thoughts were not is own but were being forced into his brain. Hed didn't have a big enough reason to question them like Rex had.
Rex: No you can't just shoot a non jedi
Jesse: Haha order 66 go brrrr
Please no....
you have 66 likes...
Good soldiers follow orders.
@@aceofspadesguy4913 Indeed.
Jesse: Remember when you said shoot a non jedi
Regardless whitout the chip I still think Jesse would have at least questioned the order, if not disobeyed it, same goes for the rest clones on that cruiser. Rex with all his will tried to disobey the order but couldn't so there's no universe where anybody can make me belive Rex would have tried to kill Ahsoka if not for the chip.
He was also super, super close to her. Yet could only resist for like 4 seconds and say a "fives...find fives" and started shooting at the last word. Those chips did not fuck around.
Given Jesse's brief hesitation, I feel like even with the chip, if Sidious hadn't specifically mentioned Ahsoka in order 66, he would've taken the offer.
Also, how is Jesse and the rest of the Clones supposed to resist something they don't know is there. We have zero confirmation and evidence that Kix told anyone, what Fives discovered. Rex suspected and knew the chips existed which is why he briefly managed to resist for a couple seconds. Cody, Jesse, Boil, Crys, Sergeant Fox of the 501st (not Coruscant Guard), and Appo, didn't know it existed, until they were under its control
@@jonathanmarcus1096 Yeah, Rex not only knew about the chips, he was the only clone who also knew about Sidious. He knew where those thoughts were coming from
@@carlycrays2831 Great point about Sidious, totally overlooked that myself!
I think Rex should’ve mentioned Fives’ death and that whole conspiracy along with Kix’s disappearance
I think that would have actually worked
@@cheesemeister9610 No, it wouldn't have worked. Jesse already believed that Rex could be a traitor, since earlier in this episode he asked if Rex is helping Ahsoka, to which the other clones responded that this is currently unclear. Just imagine you are a mind controlled soldier and your suspicious Commander, who mysteriously disappeared for a time, reveals that he's done the unthinkable and captured Ahsoka all by himself and tells you about a large conspiracy. He wouldn't believe him and for good reason. After all, most of us only know about the inhibitor chips, because we saw them and know that the conspiracy is real. For everyone else, including most clones, it is just a weird conspiracy theory. How do you react to real life conspiracy theories? Do you think about them and come to the conclusion that some theories might be true, or do you believe that most if not all conspiracy theorists are just insane madmen that ignore reality? Combine this with the effects of the chip and Jesse's suspicion and you'll see why this wouldn't have worked. Rex' approach was in fact the most promising of all possibilities.
The universe would be much better off if palpatine accidentally said “order 65”
Ahhh... now I'm thinking of the article on Uncyclopedia, the site with the potato logo LOL
Yep, no civil war, no more SDs, no WMDs, no army, no fleets... everything is fine.
yuuzhan vongs: it's a free real estate!
But order 69 would have made things weird fast 😎
@@puppetmaster1420 True citizen. I wanted to use Order 69 on Rex, if he manages to *only* catch Tano.
@@thesenate3627 *hol' up*
I think that one of the reasons Jesse didn't go with Rex was because order 66 wasn't just against Jedi, but pretty much all force users, which is why Rex ordered the execution of Maul just after Ahsoka escaped. still great video though and a good explanation
Yeah, doesn't really make much sense not to include all Force users. There are plenty of former Jedi who would be a problem
@@carlycrays2831 Like ventress
@@geetslys Exactly! Why wouldn't the plan include them?
And Vader (well when Anakin storm the jedi temple)
@@carlycrays2831 order 66 only ever referred to the jedi. Sith aren’t jedi otherwise the clones would have originally turned on Anakin too
My personal pet theory for why Jesse still decided to kill Ahsoka was because, regardless of her official status, Jesse still considered her to be a Jedi. So in the end, the thing that prevented him from resisting was his own loyalty to her before 66 was declared
Edit: nope, Jesse had no choice, we don’t see his reaction when initially given the order. And using Legends examples from before the control chip was even a thing isn’t valid in this case
but isnt legend not cannon ?
number228 master 922 no, legends isn’t canon, and while many parts can be fit together, this is not one of them.
Maul was no jedi, but they wanted to get him too, remember?
@@roberteischen4170 that’s because he was in the process of destroying the shIp and murdering everyone aboard
Because the order actually works on former jedi as well. The Darth Vader comics shows this fact on Mon Calamari. The inquisitors were attacked after a jede mindtricked the clones
Rip them droids, Jesse, and clones
One of the droids in the episode was actually R7 which was Ahsoka’s personal droid when she was a Jedi. This makes his death even sadder because he sacrificed himself to save Ahsoka.
But most importantly R.I.P R7
@@griffingower1883 obi wan also lost his droid R4 i guess R2 is the only imortal astromech
I feel like Jesse was trying to accept Rex's logic. You can tell when you see Jesse sort of lowering his weapon as Rex was pleading to him, but the chip wouldn't allow it sadly.
“It’s that she isn’t technically a Jedi, hasn’t been for some time..”
Jessi: *Thinking* Commander Jessi....Nice.... “NO, TREASON-
Rex: "Jesse, listen to reason! You are not yourself and are being controlled!
Jesse: "Rex we have our orders, and our order are to execute Ahoska Tano. If your not gonna follow your orders... then stand aside. I'll deal with you later."
Rex: "Don't do this."
Ahsoka: "Jesse please..."
Jesse: "STAY OUT OF THIS!!!"
What is this referencing?
Making sound like a bad breakup
Look at the ending of DmC: Devil May Cry. You see the similar reference. I tried to recreate it.
@@piercepayumo4212 Yeah, I had a feeling that was the game you were referencing. Oh, do you hear that? It's the diehard Devil May Cry fans with their pitchforks.
Ahsoka: Guess Imma just head out
Jesse did hesitate for a moment. Then quickly denied it.
Ashoka have a lightsaber and that’s the only proof the chip needed.
Plus, they know Ahsoka as a Jedi. She was still their Jedi commander to them. That was cute during the Siege because it shows how loyal the clones are to her. But not so cute later...
I wish Ahsoka saved Jesse also. Imagine Rex and Jesse fight there way out.
Well then he would need to die either way cause of Rebels only Wolffe Gregor and Rex made it out
But if they saved him, then all the clones chasing them would be faceless, by being Jesse it's all more personal and tragic
@@JoshSacapano nah Jesse could have gone on his own you don't need to stay close to your brother's forever you can keep a distance to each other while still being able to contact each other like how ashoka tried contacting rex
We needed someone to be the main antagonist, Jesse was the obvious choice as we have grown to love him, having a recognizable character be the bad guy makes it more tragic. Plus, look at Jesse, he has the republic emblem tattooed on him and painted on his helmet. This symbolizes his loyalty to the republic and how he was technically following orders being given by the Commander-in-chief of the GAR, Chancellor Palpatine, who declared himself Emperor as of yet.
*has not declared himself emperor as of yet.
I thought he said they had specific orders from Palpatine to kill Ashoka. I took that as Palpatine anticipated this loop hole happening and made sure the clones still killed Ashoka as she was a big threat to bring Anakin back to the light side
What’s ironic is Rex could of pulled a second loop hole. He could of said that “If Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi then we would be executing an innocent citizen of the republic, the very people we are suppose to protect? If that is a legitimate order from Sidious then Sidious is in fact committing treason, so let me ask u Jesse, r u loyal to Sidious or the Republic? Because if we kill a Republic citizen who has committed no crime and has no affiliation with the Jedi traitors, we are going against our duty as soldiers for the republic. So tell me Jesse? Do u want to promote treason? If so then take ur shot.”
King Orange This is what he should of said
@@antonioj2016 indeed
It wasnt specific from palpatine per say. Palpatine just gave the generic order 66 message now to the clones with ashoka that meant it was specific to them to kill her. They werent directly told to kill her
@@bickle8931 how do you know?
Why Jesse didn’t take easy way out?
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CT-5597 took the easy way out.💀
lol
Literally thought of that xD I was like „cuz this aint GTA.“
Yeah he should’ve just taken the ewo so he could get a good angle on Ahsoka
I love that the clone wars part of the clone wars ends with jesse helmet battered and broken. The fact that his helmet is the one with the republic logo on it symbolically shows how the republic was dead. It’s also sad that the leader of the republic betrayed the clone who had the republic logo on his helmet. I wonder if they planned any of this from the start
I feel like that line was explicitly added in so Star Wars fans can't go "WELL TECHNICALLY AHSOKA ISN'T A JEDI ANYMORE" and make a ton of UA-cam videos criticizing it. Dave Filoni beat you all to the punch.
Yea
Filoni also thought of it himself. He knew and understood people would point it out
That thumbnail XD
The title, my god I had a stroke reading it.
Yeah it’s not good
I never thought about seeing Ahsoka as Krell. It makes sense because Krell traumatized him. Rex resisted because he had a deep connection with Ahsoka, a connection that was absent with the other clones.
But Rex had time to hesitate, Jessie was off screen when the ordered was initially issued, and once Rex fully succumbed to the chip, he was all in for killing ahsoka.
And Rex actually knew about the chips and sort of understood what was happening to him. No other clone had a chance
Remember we have to give props to the clone that was holding up the door to the med bay when the clones broke through
That poor guy knew he was gonna get shot and still kept it up!
Y’all ever imagine if Denal made it to the end? You think it would’ve been him and Rex helping Ashoka? Or him and Jesse in that standoff, having that brief thought but ultimately sticking to Order 66 because... “Good soldiers follow orders.”
Ehh, Denal seems to always have Rex's back but it all depends if he has the chip. If he does have the chip, he would be by Jesse's side no doubt because the chip would have overrode his other ideas and fixate him on killing jedi and the enemies of Palpatine.
I think when Rex had his chip removed he should’ve had a bit of mistrust to ahsoka. Because the chip made him think it was right so I think he should’ve had a small bit of his subconscious mind still thought she was a traitor
Which we do sort of see that with Wolffe in Rebels. He doesn't trust the Jedi, he hides Ahsoka's messages from Rex and tries to turn the Ghost crew in. But Rex knew what the chips were doing to him and knew where the thoughts were coming from
Yeah but Rex had foreknowledge of the plot via Fives. When Order 66 was executed, and Rex’s chip was removed, this confirmed Fives was right
My heart wouldn’t have been able to take that... :’(
Rex is too badass for that shit
Ian H I see
I think that Rex was a defective clone and that is why he had that reaction being able to fight the chip for even the smallest amount of time, to let Ahsoka know about Fives. Even the clones with the strongest loyalty to their Jedi generals like Commander Bly or Commander Cody did not hesitate for a second who held their Jedi generals in the same or higher regard then Rex.
There has been some theories that Rex was as defective as a clone could be before they were seen as unfit for normal service.
He already had prior knowledge of rhe chips and believed something was wrong with them he also had a strong bond with asohka and was probably one of the most individualistic clones.
Rex: JESSE! Jesse, Ahsoka is not a Jedi, she literally left the JEDI ORDER!
Jesse: So anyway, I started blasting.
i’m sorry it was the chip sorry 😐
CT-5567 Jesse poor Jesse... you truly deserved better
What's really scary is that while the other clones didn't know what hit them with the Order, Rex did. He knew about the chips, he had some suspicion of their true purpose, and he knew about Darth Sidious.
When the order was given, he knew exactly what was happening and who was doing it to him. It must have felt like the Devil himself was telling him to murder Ahsoka
Do you consider doing "What it's? Like "What if" Jesse disobeyed Order 66? Or "What if" donino squad survived and became ARCs?
Speaking of Domino squad. Someone on Deviant art did a portrait of them. Where all four clones survived Rishi. With Hevy in addition to Fives and Echo becoming an ARC Trooper
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Fives Echo Cutup Droidbait and Hevy
Jesse was a hell of a clone along with Rex and Fives for showing independence and ingenuity. If it wasn't for Order 66, maybe he would still be alive and maybe would've helped Rex and the Rebels. RIP man you didn't deserve what happened to you!
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of ARC Trooper Jesse? I thought not. It's too painful a story for Rex to tell you.
I think Jesse tried to resist it but the chip overwhelmed him.
RIP, Jesse. Palpatine got off far too easy.
I had a stroke reading the title
Lmao. He can't grammar.
I love Loacher Films' take on Order 66, wherein the chips re-wrote how the clones saw the Jedi, seeing them as opportunistic monsters. Great video.
The Bad Batch made it even more clear that the chips ended up obliterating the clones' personalities and literally turned them into cruel Stormtroopers. :-( Also, I think the thing with Rex is that Rex had forewarning that there might be something evil inside his head. He might have even prepared mentally against a scenario he hoped would never happen. Prior planning prevents piss poor performance apparently, *even* in this case.
“The chips were intended to be much more insidious”
Lmao I see what did there
I had a problem with the execution of order 66 on ahsoka. Rex said it himself "Any and all JEDI LEADERSHIP must be executed for treason" even if we classify her as a jedi she wasn't a military officer.
Edit: I know it's just to continue the story, but it still just doesn't 100% sit well with me..
That's a good point I hadn't thought of that. My guess would be because she helped with the siege of Mandalore maybe the clones felt she was making a return to the war effort or something like that, just my opinion.
I think Palpatine knew that Ahsoka was a key part of keeping Anakin grounded, and sent the order to Rex to further isolate his new apprentice.
The clones were still referring to her as "commander" during the Siege of Mandalore. That's what they knew her as. She was their leader.
If Ahsoka had been assigned to any other Clone Battalion, then maybe that logic would hold up, with with the 501st, she'd fought with them since near the beginning of the Clone Wars and had come to earn their respect as their "Jedi Commanding Officer" besides Anakin regardless of recognized status in the Grand Army of the Republic. Therefore because of the 501st's recognition of Ahsoka as their Jedi Commanding Officer when Order 66 was given, it actually makes a lot of sense that she would fall under the parameters of the order specifically in their minds more so than it would have in any other random clone battalion's despite no longer being an official member of the GAotR anymore.
Officially she was an advisor unofficially she was still their leader. The clones conflate anyone with a lightsaber and force powers as a jedi even if they dont associate as one
Hey I’m new to the channel and love what you have here! Great content! But one thing I love most of all is the og 2004 battlefront loading screen. I hadn’t heard the computer like beeping and the lines falling to the specific area in a long time. It had me on the edge of tears. The good ole days
Now I want to see a “What If?” video surrounding if Jesse DID take the ‘out’ Rex offered!
Damn the clone wars was so good. Those last four episodes really brought the tragedy of the whole story to another level. Filoni really nailed this. I've watched the last four episodes like six times and the last episode itself even more. Just amazing.
Same. It really was perfection.
Rex: Nooo you can’t a non Jedi
Jesse: Haha Ahsoka go BOOM
QUESTION: Was Syfo dias (sp) aware of the chips that were installed in the clones to carry out Order 66 via Palatine when he commissioned for them to be created? He originally wanted them to save the Empire via force visions not contribute to its destruction.....
I think it's an interesting look at how the inhibitors worked. They plant one idea and enhance the clones' willingness to follow orders, and then the troopers' personalities dictate how they react.
Except we don’t see him right when he’s given the order. He might have briefly hesitated and then stormed the bridge. Rex was pretty much compliant after the first few seconds.
Geetsly's I love Jesse even after what happened to him in the last episode and I totally agree with you and antill star wars announce the clone wars return Jesse is the only clone whith is own personality from the 501st (not including echo becose he whith the bad batch) that we didn't know what happened to him and why he didn't show in rebels.
Rex also resisted it more immediately as the order was given, it could be that the longer the chip had time to work the more the clone would start to believe they were doing the right thing.
Very nice video man, I always like your videos because your background music, and your calmness when speaking. It really makes me listen and enjoy the video.
How I see it the reason Rex could resist is because Ahsoka, one of his best friends, was just standing there. They had fought together for so long and he had been forced to chase her down. Even in his own words he said “I know Commander Tano. She would never do something like this.” So when Ahsoka was standing there he had a reason to fight it off. He didn’t want to kill her. While in the case of Cody and Jessi their Jedi that they had fought with weren’t there when order 66 had happened. So there was nothing for them to fight for.
Honestly Jesse was one of my favorite clones and it makes me sad he is dead now 😭.
Our brain is actually pretty good at coming up with justifications and rationales. This is how IRL biology works as well IIRC. Often times the impulsive bits of our brain makes an emotional decision first and the rational part kicks in later trying to explain why we thought that's the right thing to do.
The three heroes of Umbara all died. Two tragically. Rip Jessie, Fives and Hardcase. They were good soldiers. May Sidious burn in the netherworld of the force for his crimes.
Son of a bitch got off easy. A thousand times all his combined deaths in both continuities is far too merciful.
Say what you will about Rise of Skywalker, but seeing him get Spirit Bombed by the Afterlife felt so good
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No matter how much you hate him... you have to agree he is the only best part about Rise of Skywalker..
@@carlycrays2831 I can imagine Anakin teabagging him in the Netherworld.
Space Vietnam can ruin a man.
That's a good question but the bigger question is... why isn't his Season 7 armour available as an ARC Trooper skin in Battlefront 2!
Also why did Rex give an Order 66 exposition dump when the Clones know what it is and just about everyone who watches TCW Season 7 has seen or are at least aware of the Order 66 sequence of Revenge of the Sith?
I assumed that the clones have the order but they don’t know all of the details, hence the Rex-position dump.
Jedi Spartan 38 please tell me you aren’t serious about that battlefront 2 thing
@@jacktheflash8478 what do you think? Even though I would have liked to have seen TCW based skins for reinforcements (or TCW content generally eg: Mandalore to celebrate season 7) it was a joke.
For the 501st and 212nd, I think it was reasonable for them to actually believe that the jedi did betrayed the republic thanks to krell
6:20 Rex also already kind of knew about the chips and the conspiracy, so that probably played a big role in his ability to try and fight the order
Hahaha gotta love that thumbnail
No thanks
Jesse, Hardcase, and Kix: The Bald Squad
Every member of torrent company expect rex and kix died
That intro alone earned you a sub geeeeezzzz the flashbacks!
Rex: She's not a jedi, please don't kill her. I'm begging you
Jesse: Blasters go pew pew pew
As we know, Jesse was extremely independent and was able to choose the best alternative for a certain situation. Disobeying order 66 at the time Rex offered him the way out would have made the other clones gun him down. All the other members of the 332nd were right next to him at the time and they would have gunned Jesse down instantly. Even if Jesse had given the order to not shoot Ahsoka and Rex, the other clones would have had the inhibitor chip to do the thinking for them and they wouldn't have hesitated to shoot Jesse alongside Ahsoka and Rex. Jesse was smart enough to understand this and didn't take the out he was offered.
Honestly didn’t like how the clones called Palpitine “Darth Sidious”
Jesse thinking "no".
Inhibator chip "you will become promoted"
Jesse "more money?"
love the screen or whatever the title screen is but his speach bubble is hilarious
My theory is that rex was just too good a strategist. When he gave his initial orders he already planned for him turning.
In the Loacher Films short film “Betrayal” the chips altered the clones’ memory to make them hate the jedi
Yeah, it’s actually a cool concept. Shame Disney can’t be consistent on the chips. Hate to say it but it never should of been a thing.
@@kingorange7739 disney didnt do anything with chips.... that was done before.... everything with chips was already written before the disney acquisition. The lost episodes where the chip concept was introduced were already completed just not released and the siege of mandalore was already a thing in a couple ways.
@@bickle8931 doesn’t change how vague it was. Disney kept contradicting it
@@kingorange7739 disney has done nothing with the chips. Disney also doesnt write anything its lucasfilm that controls creativity hence why ROS pissed of disney execs. Can you actually site anything where they contradict the chips?
@@bickle8931 really, Kanan Comics? TCW itself. First they make it a trance trigger, then a brainwashing device, and then a mind control thing. Like seriously no one can even decide how it actually works.
7:20 after hearing what u have to say abt this, I think Jesse actually wanted to reject it just like Rex, but he also knew that had he joined Rex and Ahsoka, it will still be 3 of them vs thousands of clones. So, in a way, maybe he sacrificed himself so that Rex and Ahsoka have a fighting chance to survive instead guaranteed that 3 of them will be overwhelmed.
This is an amazing way of explaining Jesse’s situation.
he didn’t take the “out” bc he literally says in the episode, rex gave him direct orders to execute ahsoka
This! It is fun to speculate and all but Rex said that anyone helping Jedi including clones, will be executed for treason. Since the chips make them follow orders to a tee (because of alterations to their genetic code) it is very clear why Jesse did what he did.
I sobbed at the end of the episode when it panned over to Jesse’s helmet! He deserved so much more!!
There was an animation that showed another side of order 66. The clones were entranced, but then it got to more in depth of the idea the chip could alter their memories. Making the Jedi they fought beside exactly like Krell.
We all know how the inhibitor chips really work. They simply tell the clones to "dew it" !
I saw a video a couple weeks ago where they said bacara had a lot of respect for ki adi mundi and really didn't want to just kill him so wich one is true
I saw that too. For years the notion had always been that Bacara had no respect for Jedi. He would’ve executed the Jedi without the chip. But now people are saying he attempted to resist the chip
@@ih6601 it could be a behavioral switch. During his normal operations without being inhibited he hates the jedi, yet when he is forced by the chip he slinks into a sedate friendly trooper that admires the jedi. Think of him as 2 face. Normal= hates jedi, forced by order 66= friendly to the jedi.
So the thing about "safety" is that when you have an agent you want to boss around, you want to design it so that it does what you MEAN and not what you said. If you're gonna design a bunch of agents to be your god damn fucking GALACTIC army, you better make them safe or you're gonna regret it horribly. When Sidious says "kill the Jedi" he sure as hell meant "kill the jedi including those light saber wielding, light side force user who are technically not a jedi but kinda similar."
It's clear that the chip is very good at turning the clones into the agents that Sidious wants. That's all there is to it. Neither Jesse nor Rex could disobey the order. They are modified into agents that will interpret what Sidious meant, and carry out that order to the best of their ability. There was no "out" because the chip isn't a stupid ass trash tech made by an incompetent idiot.
There is a fan made battlefront 2 video called betrayal. It shows clones memory’s getting altered to see the jedies as traitors that hates clones instead of their heroes. It is a very cool video and concept of what the chips did to them doing order 66
I was confused when Jesse said they were under orders from Darth Sidious when order 66 was an order made Palaptine while he was still known as the Chancellor of the Republic, to whom the GAR was loyal to. Why they would bring up the name Sidious when he had not yet been revealed to be Palpatine? Would it not be dangerous to have all of the GAR know the identity of Palpatine? More than that, having the GAR know that the title Darth is used only for the Sith Order and given to the Sith lords, wouldn't they know somewhere inside that this was all a Sith plot? Just a small hiccup from the writers I guess.
I saw a fan video where the chips alter the clones memories when activated. Moments of heroism, solidarity, compassion and friendship the clones originally saw were turned into cowardice, betrayal, and treating the clones and unthinking pawns. I'd like to think of that as at least partially cannon. It would explain at least some of the more diehard Jedi loyal clones betraying thier generals and friends.
"I saw you hanging out with Jedi the other day..."
"Jesse!! It's not what you think!"
"I won't hesitate, bitch!"
*blaster shot*
Considering how tight Jesse and Rex were as brothers, I would have preferred the dialogue to go like this:
After Rex says the line about if they, “don’t get this right, they will be the ones committing treason,” Jesse should say:
“Commander Rex, this will be in violation of Order 66. This WILL be treason against the Grand Army of the Republic. If you do this, you’ll be demoted in rank from commander and be subject to execution along with the traitor, Ahsoka Tano.”
It gives the idea that Jesse was offering one final chance to Rex before he arrested him as a final plea for Rex to just walk over to him and join him.
Very good and well thought analysis
Reminded me of the Vader comics were Ferren Barr told the Inquisitors that although they aren't Jedi, they couldn't escape the fact that they once were Jedi, and that the past is set in stone. He then continued to execute order 66 and the Purge Troopers turned on the Inquisitors, as they had once been Jedi. So Ashoka despite not being one was once a Jedi, so the chip took effect
Your thumbnails are just so bizarre. They crack me up every time 😂
Man saying that the last two episodes “hurt” is the biggest of understatements.
I agree, but I think there's a reason why Rex tried so hard to resist.
He had literally just had a special conversation with Asoka. The kind of conversation you look back on and remember years later. A real heart to heart.
It was those emotions that ran through his veins when the order to kill her came.
Of course he hesitated more than anyone else.