How Bella Ramsey Turned Lyanna Mormont into an Iconic Character
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- A video essay diving into Lyanna Mormont and why she turned out to be such a great character in Game of Thrones. Bella Rasmey has been killing it in The Last of Us as Ellie so I wanted to revisit her first major performance that put her on the radar.
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Timestamps:
Intro (0:00)
Performance (1:07)
She represents what the later seasons lacked (6:37)
The Irony of Lyanna (10:24)
She offers a good contrast (12:13) - Фільми й анімація
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It's sad that a character with like 10 minutes of screen time ended up having a better arc than most of the main characters
Yeah. Feck GRRM. Fecking idiot
Perhaps she was a better actor.
@@nadinehouse3661 nah, just screenwriters didn't have enough time to screw it up like they did with all the mains
She is the best character in the later seasons in my opinion
i always disliked her because she got such a incredible bitch face but i learned liking her in the last of us
Lyanna was right. During the battle of the bastards, at the Dreadfort entrance Jon picked up a Mormont shield, proving how tough the 62 men were to make it all that way.
Now I know why they had to kill her off:
If she had been at the council in the finale, they would’ve chosen her as queen over Bran!
Dreadfort?
It’s Winterfell
Cringe
@@shanekhan6492no, u
Lyanna really was badass, even in season 5, when she responded to Stannis that Bear Islands was loyal only to the Starks.
Lyanna Mormont ruled even before she showed up.
Shout out to Bella man. Hope she has a great career and continues to kick ass.
She Hasn’t though she got clowned on for the last of us and wasn’t the best in Game of thrones but has time
@@TheInfinityzoney You one hating ass nigga man
Bella Ramsey is an amazing actor who totally fleshed out the character of Lyanna Mormont. She is doing an incredible job as Ellie on The Last of Us. Why ANYONE would throw shade on such a powerful actor is incomprehensible. She’s only 19 and she is already so accomplished!
lol for what? being cast in a ludicrous girl boss role? that for some reason the patriarchal Westeros society no one just back hands her when she is talking down to grown men about war who have actually fought.
@@hadrian318you can be an amazing actor and represent something that is bad written
Lyanna Mormont should NOT have died. Yes it was a badass scene and really showed how brave she was. But the writers could have accomplished that and let her live. I don't know why, but I felt short changed when she died. She is one that they should've left alive.
I honestly thought it was a bit silly for her to be in the battle. On the other hand, the whole battle was staged in a pretty stupid way. It didn't matter any more. Her character was definitely an asset and I would have liked it better if she had been in the small council at the end and House Mormont hadn't died out.
Then she would've been chosen as queen and Westeros would prosper from that
From lyanna, Westerosi learn that women can rule too
Actually its not silly. She is am Mormont from bear island. On Bear Island, men often go on long ocean voyages to fish. As a result, a warrior culture developed among women to quell incursions from the ironborn.
I absolutely loved it when she asked if Sansa, Lady "Sandra" was a Bolton, or if she was a Lannister. She fits the character so well. I really believed she was from Bear Island and it's leader. It's rare that women of any age can pull it off now a days.
That was so dumb, she knows Sansa was under duress, a prisoner of war, she was abused in every way and yet Lyanna shows no empathy or respect to Ned Stark's daughter and her liege lady, heir to Winterfell, it's quiet annoying how they decided to prop her up in the expense of Sansa, it reminded me how the showrunners raped Sansa to prop up Ramsey's villainy and Theon's redemption.
@@jamesmswenko8292 First of all Lyanna was questioning Sansa because many lords may not decide to join them due to Sansa having "committed" to other houses and no longer being a true Stark, especially since Jon is a bastard so if the Northern lords won't see Sansa as the legitimate heir to Winterfell then they have little claim. Secondly the showrunners didn't create the Sansa rape out of thin air, the character in Sansa's place in the book is also raped by Ramsey except its far worse (Theon is forced to take part). Sansa taking the place of fake Arya is dumb of course but they likely did it to condense storylines for the show and avoid having to flesh out the Vale, so Sansa was now the one in that already existing scenario with Ramsey.
@@damianwilson7526 Además, Meñique de los libros nunca hubiera dado a Sansa al monstruo de Ramsay
"I know no king but the king in the north whose name is stark" that and her death scene will always send chills up my spine. SHE KILLED A FUCKING GIANT
yeah she said that. but then lyanna immediately tried to leave Sansa to die in her first scene, rather than "knowing no queen but the queen in the north". so.....
That still counts as one
Her allegiance and toughness of House Mormont is what gave Jon a shield that allowed him to beat the living shit out of Ramsay.
I heard Lyanna Mormont once threw a grenade and killed 100 men…
…and then the grenade exploded.
She went out in GOT like a true Chad, literally took down a damn giant white walker like that’s madness
It’s “wight” not “white” happy now Yoga dork?
*wight not white walker. White walkers control wights. The giant wight was being controlled by the white walkers I e The night king and his crew.
@@yogadork_namaste 🤓
Not really badass when it's atrociously stupid writing. That kill was given to her for the "girl power" bullshit, there is absolutely no reason for the giant to bring her alive right to his face when he could have just crushed her, same as the Night King grabbing Arya by the throat and then waiting for her to kill him.
Those 2 scenes were complete femibolshevik bullshit in which the characters should have instantly died.
@@dwight3555 so you think they only did it because of “girl power”?
@@Danie1_l Generally bad writing overall is the first cause, but yes girl power is 100% what the very character of Lyanna up until and including her death is.
A kid that hasn't even started puberty shit-talking lords who have far more authority and command far more respect than her and somehow nobody calling her out on it, and for her death she gets an incredible feat she didn't earn just like Arya.
The only reason Lyanna isn't a Mary Sue is because she's not "loved" by the other characters since she is a child, but otherwise she has every characteristic of a Mary Sue.
Well I personally love her so much, the first time I heard about her was on a netflix show called hilda and I remember hearing her voice in the first season thinking it was a new up and coming actress and being so shocked that she was on game of thrones as lyanna mormont but after watching her scenes as lyanna, I think she was better than I could've ever imagined, she is muh queen.
She had such a small amount of camera time, but when she got her time she just stood out. She was able to create a intimdation factor that you would subscribe to only Adults. Just a natural tenacity bubbling up under the surface, She forced you to remember her because she was a force herself and took over the scene.
babbling about inane nonsense doesn't count as intimidation.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Wth are you Talking about .
The Irony of her acting is the character she portrays amazes you because usually only time and experience can give a person this much confidence makes her look like a Prodigy. But you can also apply this the the Actor. You are amazed that this kid could even pull off this acting performance that also makes the Actual person look like she's some sort of Acting Prodigy. Both the person and the character are one unit.
She may not be large, but she is proud, and she has the courage of 10 men
4:27 I know I'm probably the only guy to notice but I like the way she said "snow" and "bolton" with the same inflections as a newcastle accent, just like Davos
It's a weird and not really sensical detail but I still like it
shes been pretty amazing. cant wait to see her career.
A rare feet in shows? Tv tropes literally has a name for it"ascended extra"!
Ah it’s cool to know the term has a name. And haha I think you mean ‘feat’ not ‘feet’ right?
Let me see these rare feet
I’ve never seen any of this before. What an absolute Pro she is. More presence than a lot of adult actors.
I absolutely loved her in all her scenes!! I won't forget about her !!😁❣️
Wow 5 seconds ago lol. Lookin forward to the vid, all your videos are very well done!
Baby girl is just an ICON!!
Edit: omg I said "baby girl" as like a term of endearment... I forgot she was indeed Baby Girl
I remember the positive reception to her character back when season 6 came out & it’s really nice for once to see a child actor get universally praised & to see them continue to get good work
Bella did a great job, no dispute. It was a little awkward how the writers chose the baby Mormont girl when condensing Maege's many daughters into one representative. (Was Dacey even mentioned in the show?) I think it would've been more believable if Lyanna was portrayed as just a few years older, like 13-14ish. Still, her show character was one of my favorites.
Tbf around DWD Lyanna is the one in charge of Bear Island because her older sisters weren’t there. And even in the books she was like 10? So it works partially, but it would’ve been great to see more of the older Mormont ladies earlier in the show
Wow excellent points
Nah they leaned to much into how badass the internet thought she was. In S7 and especially in s8 she became so cartoonish.
I'm sure dumb and dumber just wrote her in as "strong woman" and she just took over from there 😂
Weird, nobody complains when a man is written as a "strong man " ( never said you did I'm just saying 🤷)
@@niraxlevi9930 by strong woman he meant "a man with tits"
@@niraxlevi9930 True tbh. "Mary Sue" is thrown around more liberally than the excuse of "Gary Stu".
@nirax levi The point is that the writers make these "strong women" characters upstage the male characters making them look stupid or behind the times.
@@zonefreakman Rey, Captain Marvel, Admiral Holdo.
I loved this take! They are a person that is amazing within their own acting. I hope this doesn’t come off as disrespectful of this video, but Bella goes by they/them not she. Just saying.
10:35 To be fair, season 8 offers plenty of great moments *if you don't question anything* 😏
I can appreciate the symbolic meaning and purpose behind her death scene, but I never liked it. It didn't make sense to me.
It’s been a while since I a heard “David an Dan”
I thought the biggest factor that played into lyanna Mormont being a memorable character is that by that point she was in a vacuum, her lines are ok, her acting is fine but they were great by comparison to what was going on around her, which was alot of fairly mediocre writing that displays a clear lack of imagination and care from the writers at that point.
Her average writing and ok acting made her so memorable. I am smart
i can’t believe that bella ramsey is the best actress ever. wow. actually i can believe it.
You better do papa pascal next
11:50 I believe the giant was going to eat her. Atleast that's the impression I got from the scene.
Do one about lady sandra
when i read the Title i thought it was Ramsey Snows Sister or something from the Books. Then i Realized that is her real name and Ramseys Last name isnt RAMSEY lol
YESS
The Ballin Bear
Simply the best representation of what a real person would be in that world from beginning to end.
The average real child is not going to be anything like her…
The kid is going to have an amazing and unpredictable trajectory as an actress.
shes 19
She 100% won me over with that fucking face at 6:39. She truly looks like she wants to destroy him.
Lady Sandra 😭
He says he wouldn’t go so far as to say she was the best child actor on the show, but she’s perfect in TLOU and where is literally any of the others? Always my favorite character, even more than Olenna Tyrell. If you were going to make a totally unrelated and undeserving character kill the night king, i would rather it had been Lyanna
sandra landister
I can't wait till supercut delights reads the main books and finds out how much the show fked up the dornish plot and so much else😂
Now do the oberyn Martin 😍
Ok mow i saw the end of the video, looking forward to it then…
Now*
Lady Sandra🎉
She's awesome, has a bright career ahead of her.
10:01 or did you mean ... "the BEAR minimum"
As far as I'm concerned, she is the only #girlboss
Ever notice how so many people have a favorite GoT character we never got to see much of, who did and said only cool stuff, then died bravely and tragically before he or she could disappoint us in some way?
And do any of these people try to emulate their favorite character?
No.
Huh. Why is that?
;)
While her acting is awesome the only reason her character seems cool is because a bunch of adults are letting themselves get bullied by a child.
Oh if it were a boy, people would cheer him on
@@pulpficti people would ridicule him
@@pulpficti Oh yes
@@pulpficti I assume the people cheering for a spoiled little girl would also cheer for a spoiled little boy yes…
@@Jdjdjdujakzgsha if it were a boy, he wouldn't be unique. Any young male in this series except for hotpie is kinda badass. But as soon as it's a female like her and Arya people lose their minds
Isn't that the girl from Last of Us?
she was so good in this. a role like this could easily have been played SASSY like disney lucasfilm SASSY or disney mcu SASSY. but she came off as grounded, with a hint of vulnerability when she expressed concern for the people of bear island. other than the hound, she was basically the only character to not suck in the final season.
she great in got, she mid in tlou
Honestly she was great in got but last of us they turned her into an annoying kid instead of a badass like the video game
Not iconic lol
Compare Bella ramsay to Aaron Paul is insulting😂
I kinda disagree on Lyanna. She could've been a great character but since her apperance started in S6 she is just a cheecky badass girl with no background or whatsoever, she's just there to be a badass female character. She also is one of the reasons how Jon Snow was destroyed when he was being shown as you'r mah quen simp and she was the strong one.
Don't get me wrong I just didn't buy her performance due to poor writing and pure exposure of her badassness vs. really showing it. Oh yea she's badass cause she talks like a badass
there should be a balance between being a weak simp, and being an overly hypocritical loudmouth contrarian. lyanna is the latter.
I remember what it said "Bear island knows no king and the king in the north is name is starks".
I doubt it my mother wasn't a great beauty or any other kind of beauty, she was a great warrior though she died Fighting for your brother rob.
Enough of the smooth talk why are you here?
As for as I understand you're a snow and lady Sansa is a Bolton or Lannister, I have flirting reports.
If you say so, in any case you don't just want my allegiance you want my fighting men.
I understand I am responsible for bear island the one who live here so why should I sacrifice one more life in someone else's war?
Do I know you? Siiiir?
Go on ser Davos
Is it true?
House mormont have kept faith with house starks for thousand years, we will not break faith today
62,
We're not a large house we're proud one and every bear island man fight with the strength of 10 men landers.
Never liked her, her whole character was so damn contrived.
You left north as a king and came back as...
A lord? Nothing at all? We(eee) name you king in the north. Not important????
I love Lyaana acting in game of thrones I know every of her words in my head
Holy fucking fanboy
idk imho she was just boring
the only reason I'm not gonna watch last of us
You called they/them a she.
Good. Never cater to idiots who fall for trends.
@@gooby214 Anti-woke isn't a trend too?
@@CNTconnoisseur Common sense isn't a "trend". Nice projecting.
@@gooby214 Gender is a social construct. I honestly don't know why people on either side care.
@@CNTconnoisseur Exactly. Which is why we're all free to disagree with any ideas related to that.
Nah. This is a bad take. They should have stopped after the letter to Stannis. This is one of the reasons the seasons 5-8 went downhill. They go for fan service instead of reality. There's no way hard men like Wyman Manderly would get talked down by a 10 year old girl without retaliating.
It's the point of her character that no matter the size, what matters is charisma and authority. I can totally believe that an honorable northerner would not be so petty as to use physical violence because he feels talked down to. Lyanna speaks the truth strongly and forthrightly, which earns her the respect of the other people. This also further establishes how much the northerners value honor and tradition. Not only is Lyanna the head of an old and important house, she also impresses personally.
I agree though that D&D leaned too much in the direction you mention later on. Her death scene, for example, not a fan of it. They chose to focus on character moments and stopped caring about making them make sense or fit in with the rest of the plot and world building.
What? She was one of the only good things about the later seasons lol
Also the time Lyana is introduced, the showed turned more into fantasy anyway, and it a lot of fantasy stories, there are often kids who have a lot of authority.
Fantasy isn’t realistic, it’s okay to just have dumb fun sometimes lol
@@DevareayWilliams This excuse of "Oh it's just a fantasy show" is a copout. GOT is about actions and consequences. Lyanna belittling all these powerful northern lords never got any consequences. Kind of like how Cersei lew up the pope and thousands of lords from the south and people of Kingslanding and she was crowned Queen for some reason.
@@holysecret2she has no charisma she talks to down to anyone as soon as she meets them in real life they’d put her reality tv show about asshole spoiled children.
@@duybui83 "It's just a fantasy show" is certainly a retarded argument. But just because people are arguing stupidly for something does not make that something wrong. In my opinion it is believable that *honorable* northern lords would respect tradition and Lyanna Mormont's station.
She is also a lord/lady of a powerful house, and she is clearly knowledgeable and speaks with authority. In this context, there is no reason other than a weak ego to lash out against her, and I think that is very much something the culture in the north would look down upon. And even disregarding this cultural and personal viewpoint, even politically it would be unwise to just disrespect and walk over her. She is a lord, with actual political and military power.
more so cringe than iconic
Liked her in the beginning.... After that they kinda made it too forced and it became annoying....
Edit: but tbh I found everything about the show annoying by then, so I don't blame her...
That character sucked. The knife to the eye was lame.
Lyanna was great until season 8 when they turned her into the generic "girl warrior"
great how?
What? i hated her to no end, she was the most obnoxious thing in the whole show
Lyanna's iconic in an "everything wrong with GOT" kind of way. Don't get me wrong, Bella's cool and all, but the character was a total contradiction to all the worldbuilding and grounding of the show.
Nah she was literally 1 of the cringiest parts of those last seasons.
I found her irritating and the whole killing giant thing absolutely idiotic.
Then you would be in the minority
@@Frankenbutt99 he aint wrong, that scene was fu cking stupid in a bad way, she is annoying
No more idiotic than the rest of that episode though.
@@Frankenbutt99 I found her great, but the giant kill scene was indeed idiotic. A zombie giant would have stomped her without a second glance, but the script demanded that he kneel down and hold her close to his eye, so she could stab him. Are we supposed to get the impression that wights have thoughts and emotions, feeling intrigued by that little girl or wanting to play with their food? The scene simply made no sense, same basically everything else in season 8. But ignoring that, she did a great job in season 6, I liked her a lot back then.
@@trainsurfer7593 And no more idiotic then whole seasons 5-8. Her character fits the tone. She is just a kid, but they had to do "you go girl" theme. She talks like she experienced lifetime of ruling and talks back to her king in a sassy way. Plus this killing a giant... People love it, but all I want to do is scream at the screen "SHE IS A LITTLE GIRL AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE GAME OF THRONES". :D
I wish you had used Bella's proper pronouns of they instead of she.
But isn’t Bella Gender-Fluid?
Idk about this one, chief. She was mid in this show and was even worse in last of us. She had moments in the last of us but was definitely not as good as everyone made her out to be. Worst part of the last of us in terms of casting
Iconic. Do you mean another annoying strong whamen character?
Yeah, because anyone writing whamen is someone we need to take serious. She's a strong whamen, she's woke,she's sjw or whatever buzzword you desperately cling to
The actress didn't, she's pretty talentless, the writing did.
Smooth-brain take
Clearly someone didn't watch the last of us.
Why are you misgendering Bella Ramsey? They use they/them pronouns. This info is public. You should know this esp because you reference their performance in The Last of Us when they came out as non binary 🧍🏾♀️
This character was so awful and forced. So cringe. Don't even mention that damn giant..
dude what? just because she was better then intended doesn't change it was merely an okay character stop glorifying mediocrity