Next up is my favorite Tactics Ogre! There's an absolute, undeniable charm to everything that this game does. Plus, it's arguably the best balanced of the series!
Yup, we cover it a decent bit over here! I mean, technically it's a channel for a lot of niche things, but Tactics Ogre is a solid 80-90% of what goes on here.
This was the first game I picked up for my GBA. Was roofing around 2000 and played the hell out of this to, from and on every break. Good times. Thanks for the video.
There's a few Knight of Lodis Let's Plays on UA-cam, but very little long-form content of this variety. Great work! One thing I absolutely *Adore* about Knight of Lodis and how it became one of my all-time favourite games is the Emblem System and how Characters change Classes via the Emblems they attain, their Alignments, and their stats. It can be difficult to get used to at first, and unfortunately the game doesn't really give you much to go on, but once you understand the system, the level of satisfaction it has on replays really isn't matched by many other games I've played. It just makes sense to have your Units grow due to the Emblems they gather and the Stats they have allowing them to become who they can be. Special Abilities of Monster Classes are locked behind Levels, but nothing else is. And you can change Classes freely, allowing you to mix up your Army for whatever you need them to do in the moment. But my favourite part is how well balanced it all is. The Fliers are OP af until you get Warp Rings, Flight Rings, Warp Shoes, and Flight Shoes, then everybody is on an even playing field. Many tactics games of this type punish low Movement Units hard, and to a certain degree KoL does as well, but unlike almost all other games of this type, it allows you to put these items on them and then the whole crew is allowed to move unimpeded. It's great. My favourite memory of this game is replaying it about a little over a year ago and only using the Story Characters, a Dragon, and Deneb. The start of the game is brutal, and you only play with a full squad after Eleanor joins. But even then, when you take on the castle, even after recruiting everybody, you still don't have a maximum of 16 Units. It was a great challenge, and really opened up my eyes on just how fun a game can be. You can hire a whole separate Army and never use the Story Characters, you can exclusively use the Story Characters, you can train and grind for Emblems, you can choose to use or not use Quest Mode. You're allowed to deliberately overlevel or underlevel. The breadth of true choice on display is fantastic and fun to play through every time. Fantastic game.
hmm yes everything seems to be in order here man finding this channel's really pushing me to run through this whole series. never touched the non-tactics games.
It is awesome that someone is talking about this game . I agree with this tierlist for the most part. HOWEVER, I don't get why you would place Euphaire below Sirens being that she has better growth rates and the same access to spells, is there something I am missing? Also I feel like you are overselling the Angel Knights a bit, they are as strong as regular knights and can fly, sure, but their spells are not that good. They can heal undead units, so that only bennefits the Lich and damage MP, which is somewhat situational. Opposed to the knights that can heal anyone or shoot Lightning Bows. So they gain movement but lose spell utility, I'd say they are about equal and angel knights are deffinitely worse than Rictor, Lich, Cybill and Deneb. Fun fact: apparently you can get bane Angel Knights by using an Urn of Chaos, it doesn't really change what they can do though
I guess one good thing about Dragon Tamer is that it saves you the trouble of getting Necromancy. That's how I got Zombie Dragon. However, Zombie Dragon was weak in combat and I didn't see anything much special other than the breath. Either way, recruiting one easily helps getting Grozz Nuy's emblem which is best on Vrtra Dragon. +2 to courage to our Dragon and -2 to enemy's fear. Basically Vrtra Dragon will do 50-80 damage per shot.
Nostalgic. I remember making my main the bulkiest by dropping every possible stats upgrade and just dropping Atropos ( I hope it is the nright name) on anything that moved. 🤣🤣
It's so dang good. Fun note, even a maxed out fairy barely does 100 with that move. Rubber banding is a hell of a drug. I kinda love the damage bias, though, it means most classes fit in their niche under most circumstances.
KoL was my first Tactics Ogre and it made sure Dragoon would forever be my favorite class in the series. That gold armor just looks amazing, they THROW their sword when finishing off enemies, plus they are really REALLY solid fighters in this one. I recently picked up the game again and made Allos a Dragoon as soon as possible. Very satisfying seeing my favorite class actually be good. When I got LUCT way later and saw many people say Dragoons aren't worth it, that was quite the bummer honestly (yeah, I gave way too much credit to others' advice, because the game kicked my butt big time at the time). Still, returning to the series this year, I made it a point to use Dragoons and they are actually pretty neat. But, KoL Dragoons still feel the best and not just because of nostalgia. Also got a bunch of dragons on my current run, just to satisfy my monster collection itch. When my first one suddenly turned into a Vrtra, that was HYPE, as I played without a guide and had forgotten about dragon evolution. Became one of my strongest members. I actually managed to recruit a zombie dragon by sheer luck too. They are neat, but in the last couple maps, they can get instakilled by Banish (I think that's the spell), which kind of takes a lot of their luster.
Yeah ..that's probably why they got buffed hard by PSP. Always loved dragoons in this too, like the Smaster may have more utility, he doesn't do sick spear tricks to show off.
@@CoffeePotato DID Dragoons get buffed in PSP? I'm always under the impression Dragoons in the PSP remake are kind of underwhelming when doing anything but monster slaying - at least by other peoples' opinions. I found them perfectly serviceable as a general frontliner (Rampart Aura + Spears too!) but never as noticeably strong as in KoL. Might just be me having a hard time comparing the balance of different games though.
@@justsomejojo Oh, no, I meant ghosts there. Dragoons got way less fancy, but easier to get, and got pretty good with crossbows. They're good at anti monster, but pretty average otherwise.
@@CoffeePotato Ah, gotcha. Yeah, ghosts seem pretty nifty. I never had one yet because recruiting them is a bit of a thing, but a teleporting mage that can't die does seem very cool. I recently gave Jeunan a crossbow and was amazed at how effective that is in regular LUCT PSP. It's not as cool as a spear imo, but it really is very effective.
32:05 Saia is actually very effective on final boss battle. I don't know why but he did the highest damage in my team but if enfeeble magic ignores all defense then that answers the question.
This was my first GBA game and first Ogre Battle game. Quest really went out with a bang. Still to this day annoyed how this is the only game that never got a rerelease. March of The Black Queen was on Wii Virtual Console, Let Us Cling Together got a remake and a HD remaster of that remake and 64 Person of Lordly Caliber got on Wii U Virtual Console
I agree with this list love seeing someone talking about tactics orge I played knights of lodis so much as a kid and I love recruiting Saia turning him to a sword then getting the angel knight lol
For anyone that is interested in this channel, Coffee Potato is reporting news about Tactics Ogre Reborn as well as several analysis on the classes and other very interesting stuff!
Giants are good on the late game from my experience. They will hit everything but that special attack on the other hand... 49% max accuracy and 50% on the final boss.
I tried to do my best with fairies but I just wished they had another skill (did not realize there were very few monster skills when playing no guides). But now that I watched this video, I am going to do a fairy team every time now.
Yeah, they are really strong. The turn reset damage stack, laser smg that does 40 or up on everything, and a restoring move really make them solid. Plus that evasion can be broken in KoL. I have a Fairy only challenge that I'm currently trying to edit together into something watchable to show that off.
Ghosts would have been super good if low level Bane spell were little more game changing. By far, enfeeble was the best in terms of damage. But I wasn't able to recruit them even in mid game so they got outahadowed by Saia and Lich very easily.
Bruh, wizards with long bows? Staffs and wands increases their INT which in turn powers their spells, which is the entire reason you bring them. In the every early stages of the game it's a good idea to give them a short bow because they can wield it with a staff, but later on you wanna switch it out for a shield or an extra accessory. I'm also glad you moved ninja to B tier, but I think you still underplayed their usefulness. They are without a doubt the most generally useful unit in the game, sporting a free ranged attack in addition to one damage spell. They don't just have good movement, but the HIGHEST movement in the game, and can close in on enemy archers and casters no problem. Their high AGI stat growth is also the highest for any human class in the game which makes them the best at both hitting and dodging things. They have equal STR growth to the foot solider and the Knight requires both STR and AGI stats to be above 50 for a promotion, so I ninja can get to knight much faster than foot soldiers, and thus get the character to a blade master that much faster as well. I don't think it's fair to put the witch in the same class as garbage archers either. They are at least as useful as the Wizard and Cleric, I'd give them C tier, but D tier is also agreeable. Charm can be really good and support spells are useful as well. I agree giving them a bow is a good idea since they actually have high AGI stat growth, but the lower STR score means they're still outclasses as an archer by, well, the archer, but that's not why we bring them anyway. I also think the requirement for their emblem is rather trivial.
There's a few reasons. A- Yes. Wizards with longbows are fun, and funny. Optimization is neat when it's needed, but seeing an old man dunk on a dragon with a longbow is a victory condition of its own. B- Ninjas are good, but due to damage rubber banding, they tend to be easily squashed towards the frozen half of the game. C- Witches are one of my favorite classes in all of these games, I know how tricky they can be, but they hold the same spot as the Archer for me, since you're almost always taking an easy, reliable class, and downgrading them with an emblem requirement. The Witch also is a bit of an adventure to get. Maybe I'll do the Ogre Battle series for KoL, it'll be so much easier to do... 🤔
I think witches automatically lose value because Deneb exists, you can get her just as soon and she is strictly stronger. Also I agree ninjas are fantastic pre-swordmaster classes
@@maximilianosalvador9559 Yeah I was surprised seeing Witch's tier at first because debuffs make life easy and I use them for fluid magic but then I gave the benefit of the doubt since Deneb exists too.
Beast tamer has good movement and attack but less magic durability. Gives beasts a +1 to courage but gives Griffins a +2 instead as far as I have seen. Their damage is mostly satisfying to me but on late game, I stopped using since I felt like the beasts didn't do enough damage and I didn't get any accessories that helps them in combat. So yeah beasts and beast tamer got out the shelf like that for me despite preferring monster characters over human characters.
I believe they sort themselves outside of the gear, which....I honestly never thought about it because of liking the messy item history, but would assume it's in the inventory menu like always. R from the screen with all your units on there, go to the gear, and it should have the option there.
@First Amendment Fair point, does ST burn him? It's been a while since I tried that, seemed like one of those cases where it shouldn't, but that works.
Wait, what does it take to get the gorgon? And which dragon is it that flies? Was that the holy dragon? Man, I should replay this. I always forget 'cause it's on the Gameboy and I can never find batteries.
Your phone can now also be a gameboy device contraption! Also, it's the evil one that flies, and gets the massive defense boost, and drops morale, and can be zombified....and yeah, it's the good one. Morale boost from the light one ain't bad. Fish dragon needs to up it's game, though.
You can recruit Gorgons with Saia which is one of the reasons you could take Saia instead of Lobelia. But I also have a screenshot of Alphonse (knight) having a 30% chance of persuading a Gorgon. I don't know if it's because of blood reign and persuading boost emblem but I actually persuaded a Gorgon with Alphonse.
Yup, but the fun thing is that you can be just fine doing whatever you'd like, rolling as sub Optimal as anything. Pretty much every game in this series, especially the Tactics ones are really ripe for getting away with hilarious nonsense strategies. KoL has a sort of rubber banding in place to make sure you're always doing at least alright, but trying to prevent some of the crazy stuff. Thus why the Speedrun basically involves some quantum mechanics nonsense. "We need to kill that archer. Quick, set the swordmaster on fire, fire him through a wormhole while that guy increases the ambient air temperature and a fairy makes out with that other guy! DAMN. We forgot to have the witch seduce a random soldier, run's dead, pack it in, folks.."
@@CoffeePotato i see that now, any games where you have to worry about the amplitude and frequency of a sine wave tests the limits of my powergamey nature lol ive been having fun but i feel paralyzed with indecision after each encounter. that said im having a great time
@@CoffeePotato i always try to powergame these sorts of games, so making sure everyone is in the right class for level ups on their way to their end game roles is taking me a lot of time lol. it happens when i play most games, i spend too long thinking ahead and not enough time actually playing. ill decide the whole pokemon team ill use for the elite 4 before i choose a starter for example lol
@@ianh1504 Fair enough. Thing is...every unit is rubber banded in this one. Emblems end up doing a lot more than level ups. So...sure, you can go Soldier-Tamer-Dragoon/Swordmaster if you meta game it, but they'd still lose to an Archer with War God around the same point in the game. Sooo....let me find the link, will add in a sec. ua-cam.com/video/ymqTCwVlSU4/v-deo.html
mmmm.... Gotta disagree with you on some of these. The Ghost for example. If you kit them out properly they're damn good as an auxiliary unit. Highly mobile with useful spells to harrass enemies with. Especially since they bypass magic defense. The gremlins are E tier I reckon. Damn things lack the versatility of fairies and die from a wet fart. Mermaids ought to be C tier. Yes, water is scarce now and then, but there are a fair few maps where they do outshine other units. Gorgons can be A-S tier imo. As for multiplayer? Gamefaqs and several Discord servers have folks willing and able to engage in that, 'any way you can'.
I agree with the Ghost arguments, same movement range as a Hawkman, but can teleport instead, making it a very mobile unit, slap a snapdragon on it and another mobile unit temporarily to quickly snipe a boss and finish maps if you want (you get 2 snapdragons before the end of chapter 3) Along with Lich (and Lesser Deamon), they are the only classes that can use Enfeeble, which deals a large amount of fixed damage against the final boss, also comes with the 2nd highest defense of human class, only behind the Lich. The only downside is that it has worse atk stat than the archer, but better than spellcasters Yea, Gremlins kinda sux, 5 move vs Birdmen 6 and fairies 7, no ranged skill like the other two or the awesome turn refresh skill that the fairy has, but not sure if being worse than two A tier class is worth being dropped down all the way to E, it can still fly with a snapdragon to snipe a boss Mermaids also have snow walking, so that's another reason for it to go up (at least B tier looking at the list, I rather use this class than the B tier Cerberus or Naga for the late game snow maps, it's a worse valkyrie, but that's an S tier class) What's the reasoning for Gorgon being A-S tier? I see poor mobility and a wait of 3 turns for it's 30 SP special skill. While the infinite range is nice, it is not very reliable or accurate. Would like to know the arguments for A-S tier, I'm willing to change my opinion about them with sufficient reasoning. Do you bring like a group of them to cast multiple evil eyes on turn 3 to make it more reliable? I tested most class with just 1 of it in team, so i don't know the reliability of using a group of Gorgons (There are actually a lot of classes in the video list that I think should be moved around, with arguments to back them up, but not sure if i should go into further detail)
@@CoffeePotato what does the 50% penalty mean? I tested mermaid and they don't take more or deal less dmg than other units with the same stats/equips as them outside the water, spears deal half dmg if you attack at 2 range, if that's the problem
@@tricky2795I think the damage gets halved. Like my Octopus did 110 damage on water (Speed runned Ariel level lol and that just level 10) but on land it was 60. I'd probably try using one of those aquatic units on land more often like coffee Potato tried but Octopus simply starts off with 3 movements only. Could become 4.
Disclaimer: I have never played this game (but I look forward to when I do which is likely soon). When determining tiers, how high is the dichotomy between tiers? The lack of an F Tier shows it may not be super high A good example is in Super Smash Bros Brawl, where the character(s?) in S Tier are essentially so far above the rest of the cast they might as well be D or F Tier exclusively. The opposite would be Smash Bros Ultimate, where (arguably) every character outside the bottom 3 or 4 in F Tier are viable and on a close-ish playing field. The dichotomy between S and D in Ultimate is closer to the Dichotomy of S- and A+ tier in Brawl.
I'd say they're all viable, it's just more difficult for some. Like I've done Fairy Only Ironman before, and it was fine. The exceptions would be the aquatics, so Mermaids and Octopi, but only because the second half of the game has almost no water in it. They lose 50% or so on every exchange out of water, and vice versa, so they tend to get cleaned by absolutely everything once winter hits.
@@CoffeePotato It's nice to see how well balanced many SRPGS are! I haven't played many, but the few that I have played (namely Wargroove and Final Fantasy Tactics Advance) were also well balanced (minus the water in Wargroove which was so broken competitive players just ignore or ban it.) As an aside before I start playing, how well is the game centered around defense vs evasion? I dropped FFTA because of how ridiculous evasion is (it outclasses defense.) Thieves had ~70% evasion (IIRC). The basic accuracy raising move was legitimately OP because of this. It wasn't really satisfying when I could play the same match twice (in the same exact way) and have two very different results due to evasion. Regardless, thanks for the reply!
@@hadesKIU That's why you play to avoid those, no pun intended. Guaranteed moves, movement debuffs, etc. You can curse luck, or stack the deck, as they say.
archers are already good support units as they are. only overshadowed by hawkmen because of flight. if you want to use archers, have them target the mages (wizard, cleric, witch, etc.). you can get an early ice bow from glycinnia too. if you have teleport or warp boots/ring, your archers can go to high places ang start target shooting.
@@CoffeePotato i totally agree with you. their damage output is mediocre compared to powerhouses like swordmasters and dragoons. even hawkmen ar better archers. but still, archers are usable and fun to use. you just have to maximize their effectiveness and target low defense units.
@@adrianaballe Oh, I agree, doing an archer only run using just melee weapons was fun, I like them, they're just really low on the totem pole in everything but fashion is all.
Amazing have one video about the KoL these days well I agree with you and the tier list except valkyres they are horrible spellcasters and fight no bad but no good, BUT even a archer lvl 50 have a lot of agility and can be a useful and dodge atacks and with equipment they can be useful this game is very good balanced but still have the challenge of a tatic rpg cause if you do not grind and go blind to end the game you will suffer, by the way very good video and game hahahhahhaha
Thank You! I'd disagree on a big chunk of that, though. Spears are arguably the strongest weapon type in general in KoL, barring Snapdragons, plus you're required to bring the one with you to the last fight. Valks are best at shredding stuff up at the front, but they're not hindered by snow, they boost the stats of nearby make characters (making them optimal for the double spear strat with a dragoon especially), and they're on the bulkier end to boot. They're just good at so many things that I'd argue they're the strongest female unit overall. That said, on grinding...I'm currently just about wrapped up with a solo run that never took a single grind battle or did anything extra. Grind doesn't get you much in this game, but emblems and good positioning matter a ton.
Valkyres damage from early game comes through spell casting actually. It's like a durable spell caster lol. In late game when you get better equipment, she will do good physical damage. Her spells will be just as useful for its aoe too.
He put his wife's soul in his daughter's body, and tried to carry on as normal. She then raided an undead gang against him as he went back to his harem fort. That's just next level "This guy is going right into the Snapdragon" material if I've ever seen it.
@@CoffeePotato oh I see. As far as I understand, his wife's soul going into Euphaire was an accident, but I see were you are coming from. I like him a lot, but your interpretation can be a cool RP way to make an INT based snapdragon for a warlock tho
@@joaozitogameplays I dunno, he's a Necromancer, by OB logic, that means high Charisma....so he's untrustworthy. Plus his lady squad is pretty much rolling spells that are mostly... questionable. Who else has bind in the game? Kink fortress is all I'm saying 🤣
It's less a bug, and more of a PSP quirk. It adds the stats for some calculations, but doesn't contribute to damage. So like the One Vision mod has off hand weapons that lower Luck and increase Parry to use as a defensive variant that crits left often for dual wielders.
@@CoffeePotato I meant knight of lodis and how for example swordmaster is listed sword and katana and dragoon is listed sword and spear. Sound like someone's been grinding hard in reborn haha
With the mGBA emulator VS is possible, the maps are the same as story mode but chosen at random. So "Lucky Soldier", "Mark of Valor" and "Veteran Soldier" aren't exclusive to Naris anymore.
Definitely. She has cybils damage and access to summons but also gets the game exclusive energy transfer. Mana potions ok but this enables no consume runs since it accelerates the fluid magic users as well as she can give a unit mana without depleting her own.
How can you possibly put Elrik in E TIER? LOL - 6 growth in HP and INT - 5 growth in the rest of the stats which amounts a total of 27 growth points per level (one of the highest growths in the game) - great base movement and can climb up to 2 steps so he won't need warp ring most of the time giving him another space on the inventory - has a fricking anti-mage spell Summon Golem which uses his INT to deal physical damage (do you even know how strong is this tho) Seriously unbelievable
@@gustavonogueira6293 Sure have, and it's not that complicated. Wizards can get griefed by the weakest classes in the game. Action economy isn't really a thing in this game, so if someone gets close, they're screwed. Priests bring some bulk to the table, but Wizards and Clerics need to rely on some really bulky gear to not get squashed. On the flip side, Gryphons get the same means to attack at long range as the wizard while also being able to crit and take a good bit of punishment. They also don't run out of MP. Plus they just win on cool factor on top of that. Why rely on Geriatric Gerry over there when you can be rocking a fighter jet that shoots tornadoes?
@@CoffeePotato he didn't try to marry his daughter, man. He was already married but her wife was killed in the reformation and he tried to revive her using magic and sadly her spirit possessed their daughter and because she got crazy he left them.
@@CoffeePotato and sure mages and clerics aren't physically bulky, they are not meant to go melee as they have enough range to deal damage while being safe anyway and the enemies in the game will most of the time focus Alphonse so you just need to position them wisely and they won't even take a hit during the stages. Also they DO can take some magic spells, Wizards and Clerics make a great wall against summons as each hit won't do more than 15 damage on them while dealing almost 30 damage on your other characters (if not more). Not to mention the Wizards damage early game is stupid, while your characters are dealing 30 single target damage they are dealing like 60 area damage and Clerics are almost a must have if you don't want your Knights to lose their turn healing your units a small amount of HP single target. And last but not least your Wizards and Clericss can become a Siren, a Lich or a Priest later, 3 great classes to have around, while beasts will stay a useless beast the whole game. And while beasts are bulky, they don't do a lot of damage, their special attack need to charge 3 turns and don't even do that much damage (even less in the late game), so the only thing they will be doing is tank but Knights make WAY superior tanks as they can sustain infinite amounts of damage thanks to their healing spell if they need to, beasts only have their own HP so they will force you to have a unit to heal them again. Beasts are just terrible, I'd rather have an archer because even they can learn Lachesis and do something useful.
Deneb is the only witch i ever use i think its based off thier nature think neutral or chaotic name her Deneb still get the witch class and when she changes into a witch she gets a better witch class.
Yeah, I'd file him in the same manner as the Dragon Tamer, but apparently Tier List didn't like the portrait, and I didn't notice until way later. My bad on that one.
i think Dark Angel is better than Angel Knight, because it can use any spells. You forget about "Swordmaster" Margret, Esquire, General, Venefic and Venefica on that list lol.
You might have forgotten to listen to the video there, the audio can be a little low sometimes. Elrik can be as good as he wants, he's just someone that I'd hate to have around. I used him for stats back in the day, but these days...well, ua-cam.com/video/ZysWSeHUsOw/v-deo.html
these is all wrong, every race is strong you just need to know how to play and how to get good stats archer are quite good and very strong you just need to know how to grow them
Right. As not archers. They get a little bonus from using bows, and specialize in speed. Given difficulty isn't too crazy, and rubber banding on the stats is a thing, you realistically can give a bow to any strong unit and have them be a stronger archer. Don't get me wrong, I love em, and it's not even the power as much as the frailty that's an issue.
I can’t believe after a decade and someone still make content about tactics ogre, love this series and i can’t wake for the rebirth
Yup, I've always loved this series, and have loved challenge running this thing for decades.
Rebirth is awesome btw
I can't believe I finally found a YT channel that talks about Knight of Lodis! :D
Yup, we cover it a decent bit over here! I mean, technically it's a channel for a lot of niche things, but Tactics Ogre is a solid 80-90% of what goes on here.
"thermonuclear girlfriend" I haven't played the game in probably 15 years but from what I remember that's pretty damned accurate.
Sometimes a guy just gets lucky like that.
This was the first game I picked up for my GBA. Was roofing around 2000 and played the hell out of this to, from and on every break. Good times. Thanks for the video.
Sure thing, this is one of my favorites!
for KoL, the emblems are one special mechanism, some of them are quite useful. you could make another one concerning their tier class as well
DUUUUUDE....YES. Coming up!
and some are sucks like Don Quixote 😅
There's a few Knight of Lodis Let's Plays on UA-cam, but very little long-form content of this variety. Great work!
One thing I absolutely *Adore* about Knight of Lodis and how it became one of my all-time favourite games is the Emblem System and how Characters change Classes via the Emblems they attain, their Alignments, and their stats. It can be difficult to get used to at first, and unfortunately the game doesn't really give you much to go on, but once you understand the system, the level of satisfaction it has on replays really isn't matched by many other games I've played. It just makes sense to have your Units grow due to the Emblems they gather and the Stats they have allowing them to become who they can be. Special Abilities of Monster Classes are locked behind Levels, but nothing else is. And you can change Classes freely, allowing you to mix up your Army for whatever you need them to do in the moment.
But my favourite part is how well balanced it all is. The Fliers are OP af until you get Warp Rings, Flight Rings, Warp Shoes, and Flight Shoes, then everybody is on an even playing field. Many tactics games of this type punish low Movement Units hard, and to a certain degree KoL does as well, but unlike almost all other games of this type, it allows you to put these items on them and then the whole crew is allowed to move unimpeded. It's great.
My favourite memory of this game is replaying it about a little over a year ago and only using the Story Characters, a Dragon, and Deneb. The start of the game is brutal, and you only play with a full squad after Eleanor joins. But even then, when you take on the castle, even after recruiting everybody, you still don't have a maximum of 16 Units. It was a great challenge, and really opened up my eyes on just how fun a game can be. You can hire a whole separate Army and never use the Story Characters, you can exclusively use the Story Characters, you can train and grind for Emblems, you can choose to use or not use Quest Mode. You're allowed to deliberately overlevel or underlevel. The breadth of true choice on display is fantastic and fun to play through every time. Fantastic game.
It's an absolute classic for a reason, and it's nice seeing everything function on relatively few stats.
hmm yes everything seems to be in order here
man finding this channel's really pushing me to run through this whole series. never touched the non-tactics games.
They seem alien at first, but there's a lot of the same ideas there. If nothing else, it's a cool setup.
It is awesome that someone is talking about this game . I agree with this tierlist for the most part.
HOWEVER, I don't get why you would place Euphaire below Sirens being that she has better growth rates and the same access to spells, is there something I am missing?
Also I feel like you are overselling the Angel Knights a bit, they are as strong as regular knights and can fly, sure, but their spells are not that good. They can heal undead units, so that only bennefits the Lich and damage MP, which is somewhat situational. Opposed to the knights that can heal anyone or shoot Lightning Bows. So they gain movement but lose spell utility, I'd say they are about equal and angel knights are deffinitely worse than Rictor, Lich, Cybill and Deneb. Fun fact: apparently you can get bane Angel Knights by using an Urn of Chaos, it doesn't really change what they can do though
Iirc Liches are treated as humanoids through so they don't get healed by Angel Knights.
Great job with the Timestamps!! It's rare from my experience, but they add so much to the videos IMO.
I get to them eventually!
Zero surprise that someone doing a tier list for Tactics Ogre would ALSO name drop Legends of the Dragoon.
Yer a kewl dewd, two thumbs up.
I love my weird and snazzy, thank you!
Angel Knights require "Archangel's Feather", the emblem you get for being revived. "Gibe of the Fallen Angel" is what healers get for killing people.
Yup, I always mix up at least a couple of things.
Thanks for keeping this game alive on UA-cam
Absolutely, gotta do a good deed every now and then!
Love the "Kinda OP" to the final boss
Slightly Invincible XD
certainly enjoy the last LUCT ranked episode and did enjoyed this one too!
Glad to provide!
I guess one good thing about Dragon Tamer is that it saves you the trouble of getting Necromancy. That's how I got Zombie Dragon. However, Zombie Dragon was weak in combat and I didn't see anything much special other than the breath.
Either way, recruiting one easily helps getting Grozz Nuy's emblem which is best on Vrtra Dragon. +2 to courage to our Dragon and -2 to enemy's fear. Basically Vrtra Dragon will do 50-80 damage per shot.
Euphaire is S+ for her magic transfer
She’s S tier for the amount of damage she dishes out
Yea big agree she's a siren who can mana battery others on turn 1. Definite s+ tier. Better than cybil.
Nostalgic. I remember making my main the bulkiest by dropping every possible stats upgrade and just dropping Atropos ( I hope it is the nright name) on anything that moved. 🤣🤣
It's so dang good. Fun note, even a maxed out fairy barely does 100 with that move. Rubber banding is a hell of a drug. I kinda love the damage bias, though, it means most classes fit in their niche under most circumstances.
KoL was my first Tactics Ogre and it made sure Dragoon would forever be my favorite class in the series. That gold armor just looks amazing, they THROW their sword when finishing off enemies, plus they are really REALLY solid fighters in this one. I recently picked up the game again and made Allos a Dragoon as soon as possible. Very satisfying seeing my favorite class actually be good.
When I got LUCT way later and saw many people say Dragoons aren't worth it, that was quite the bummer honestly (yeah, I gave way too much credit to others' advice, because the game kicked my butt big time at the time). Still, returning to the series this year, I made it a point to use Dragoons and they are actually pretty neat. But, KoL Dragoons still feel the best and not just because of nostalgia.
Also got a bunch of dragons on my current run, just to satisfy my monster collection itch. When my first one suddenly turned into a Vrtra, that was HYPE, as I played without a guide and had forgotten about dragon evolution. Became one of my strongest members. I actually managed to recruit a zombie dragon by sheer luck too. They are neat, but in the last couple maps, they can get instakilled by Banish (I think that's the spell), which kind of takes a lot of their luster.
Yeah ..that's probably why they got buffed hard by PSP. Always loved dragoons in this too, like the Smaster may have more utility, he doesn't do sick spear tricks to show off.
@@CoffeePotato DID Dragoons get buffed in PSP? I'm always under the impression Dragoons in the PSP remake are kind of underwhelming when doing anything but monster slaying - at least by other peoples' opinions. I found them perfectly serviceable as a general frontliner (Rampart Aura + Spears too!) but never as noticeably strong as in KoL.
Might just be me having a hard time comparing the balance of different games though.
@@justsomejojo Oh, no, I meant ghosts there. Dragoons got way less fancy, but easier to get, and got pretty good with crossbows. They're good at anti monster, but pretty average otherwise.
@@CoffeePotato Ah, gotcha. Yeah, ghosts seem pretty nifty. I never had one yet because recruiting them is a bit of a thing, but a teleporting mage that can't die does seem very cool.
I recently gave Jeunan a crossbow and was amazed at how effective that is in regular LUCT PSP. It's not as cool as a spear imo, but it really is very effective.
i am hooked to this game, cant wait for work tomorrow to play more
Same, it's so dang good!
32:05 Saia is actually very effective on final boss battle. I don't know why but he did the highest damage in my team but if enfeeble magic ignores all defense then that answers the question.
Enfeeble ignores armor and deals fixed percentage damage. So that"s why
This was my first GBA game and first Ogre Battle game. Quest really went out with a bang. Still to this day annoyed how this is the only game that never got a rerelease. March of The Black Queen was on Wii Virtual Console, Let Us Cling Together got a remake and a HD remaster of that remake and 64 Person of Lordly Caliber got on Wii U Virtual Console
I agree with this list love seeing someone talking about tactics orge I played knights of lodis so much as a kid and I love recruiting Saia turning him to a sword then getting the angel knight lol
It's quite a utilitarian game like that 🤣
Amazing video, I agree 100%
For anyone that is interested in this channel, Coffee Potato is reporting news about Tactics Ogre Reborn as well as several analysis on the classes and other very interesting stuff!
One of my all time favorite games!
Omg the music!!! So nostalgic
Legend of Dragoon, man that deserves a series
Giants are good on the late game from my experience. They will hit everything but that special attack on the other hand... 49% max accuracy and 50% on the final boss.
I tried to do my best with fairies but I just wished they had another skill (did not realize there were very few monster skills when playing no guides). But now that I watched this video, I am going to do a fairy team every time now.
Yeah, they are really strong. The turn reset damage stack, laser smg that does 40 or up on everything, and a restoring move really make them solid. Plus that evasion can be broken in KoL. I have a Fairy only challenge that I'm currently trying to edit together into something watchable to show that off.
Ghosts would have been super good if low level Bane spell were little more game changing. By far, enfeeble was the best in terms of damage. But I wasn't able to recruit them even in mid game so they got outahadowed by Saia and Lich very easily.
I love this game! I also really appreciate the portraits. If you ever played Vandal Hearts 2 you know the portraits were atrocious……great game though.
Bruh, wizards with long bows? Staffs and wands increases their INT which in turn powers their spells, which is the entire reason you bring them. In the every early stages of the game it's a good idea to give them a short bow because they can wield it with a staff, but later on you wanna switch it out for a shield or an extra accessory.
I'm also glad you moved ninja to B tier, but I think you still underplayed their usefulness. They are without a doubt the most generally useful unit in the game, sporting a free ranged attack in addition to one damage spell. They don't just have good movement, but the HIGHEST movement in the game, and can close in on enemy archers and casters no problem. Their high AGI stat growth is also the highest for any human class in the game which makes them the best at both hitting and dodging things. They have equal STR growth to the foot solider and the Knight requires both STR and AGI stats to be above 50 for a promotion, so I ninja can get to knight much faster than foot soldiers, and thus get the character to a blade master that much faster as well.
I don't think it's fair to put the witch in the same class as garbage archers either. They are at least as useful as the Wizard and Cleric, I'd give them C tier, but D tier is also agreeable. Charm can be really good and support spells are useful as well. I agree giving them a bow is a good idea since they actually have high AGI stat growth, but the lower STR score means they're still outclasses as an archer by, well, the archer, but that's not why we bring them anyway. I also think the requirement for their emblem is rather trivial.
There's a few reasons.
A- Yes. Wizards with longbows are fun, and funny. Optimization is neat when it's needed, but seeing an old man dunk on a dragon with a longbow is a victory condition of its own.
B- Ninjas are good, but due to damage rubber banding, they tend to be easily squashed towards the frozen half of the game.
C- Witches are one of my favorite classes in all of these games, I know how tricky they can be, but they hold the same spot as the Archer for me, since you're almost always taking an easy, reliable class, and downgrading them with an emblem requirement. The Witch also is a bit of an adventure to get. Maybe I'll do the Ogre Battle series for KoL, it'll be so much easier to do... 🤔
I think witches automatically lose value because Deneb exists, you can get her just as soon and she is strictly stronger.
Also I agree ninjas are fantastic pre-swordmaster classes
@@maximilianosalvador9559 Yeah I was surprised seeing Witch's tier at first because debuffs make life easy and I use them for fluid magic but then I gave the benefit of the doubt since Deneb exists too.
Amazing List, I totally agree but where's the beast tamer?
It was too good, I forgot 🤷
@@CoffeePotato Hahaha it happens, I know
Beast tamer has good movement and attack but less magic durability. Gives beasts a +1 to courage but gives Griffins a +2 instead as far as I have seen.
Their damage is mostly satisfying to me but on late game, I stopped using since I felt like the beasts didn't do enough damage and I didn't get any accessories that helps them in combat.
So yeah beasts and beast tamer got out the shelf like that for me despite preferring monster characters over human characters.
Brah you forgot beastmaster. Also I remember you had to do something with glass pumpkins to get deneb
Did I? A tier. Also, yes, you need to sell 4 to the store.
Coffee! I just picked this game up and I was wondering if there's a way to sort your items? I can't figure one out. Thanks for the tier list!
I believe they sort themselves outside of the gear, which....I honestly never thought about it because of liking the messy item history, but would assume it's in the inventory menu like always. R from the screen with all your units on there, go to the gear, and it should have the option there.
@@CoffeePotato Thanks! It worked
lich is so op . broken physical defense combine with good magical offense and defense and with fiends grip spell thats rly op
Skelly man big scary. I hear they go on to get bored of Halloween and try to take over Christmas.
@First Amendment Fair point, does ST burn him? It's been a while since I tried that, seemed like one of those cases where it shouldn't, but that works.
@First Amendment Oddly enough, that's testable with NT.
Wait, what does it take to get the gorgon? And which dragon is it that flies? Was that the holy dragon?
Man, I should replay this. I always forget 'cause it's on the Gameboy and I can never find batteries.
Your phone can now also be a gameboy device contraption! Also, it's the evil one that flies, and gets the massive defense boost, and drops morale, and can be zombified....and yeah, it's the good one. Morale boost from the light one ain't bad. Fish dragon needs to up it's game, though.
You can recruit Gorgons with Saia which is one of the reasons you could take Saia instead of Lobelia.
But I also have a screenshot of Alphonse (knight) having a 30% chance of persuading a Gorgon. I don't know if it's because of blood reign and persuading boost emblem but I actually persuaded a Gorgon with Alphonse.
Just started playing this, its my first foray into the TO series and oh god its quite a lot to digest all at once
Yup, but the fun thing is that you can be just fine doing whatever you'd like, rolling as sub Optimal as anything. Pretty much every game in this series, especially the Tactics ones are really ripe for getting away with hilarious nonsense strategies. KoL has a sort of rubber banding in place to make sure you're always doing at least alright, but trying to prevent some of the crazy stuff. Thus why the Speedrun basically involves some quantum mechanics nonsense. "We need to kill that archer. Quick, set the swordmaster on fire, fire him through a wormhole while that guy increases the ambient air temperature and a fairy makes out with that other guy! DAMN. We forgot to have the witch seduce a random soldier, run's dead, pack it in, folks.."
@@CoffeePotato i see that now, any games where you have to worry about the amplitude and frequency of a sine wave tests the limits of my powergamey nature lol
ive been having fun but i feel paralyzed with indecision after each encounter. that said im having a great time
@@ianh1504 Indecision about what, out of curiosity? I like to just think what these units might want based on their previous fights.
@@CoffeePotato i always try to powergame these sorts of games, so making sure everyone is in the right class for level ups on their way to their end game roles is taking me a lot of time lol.
it happens when i play most games, i spend too long thinking ahead and not enough time actually playing. ill decide the whole pokemon team ill use for the elite 4 before i choose a starter for example lol
@@ianh1504 Fair enough. Thing is...every unit is rubber banded in this one. Emblems end up doing a lot more than level ups. So...sure, you can go Soldier-Tamer-Dragoon/Swordmaster if you meta game it, but they'd still lose to an Archer with War God around the same point in the game.
Sooo....let me find the link, will add in a sec. ua-cam.com/video/ymqTCwVlSU4/v-deo.html
mmmm.... Gotta disagree with you on some of these. The Ghost for example. If you kit them out properly they're damn good as an auxiliary unit. Highly mobile with useful spells to harrass enemies with. Especially since they bypass magic defense. The gremlins are E tier I reckon. Damn things lack the versatility of fairies and die from a wet fart. Mermaids ought to be C tier. Yes, water is scarce now and then, but there are a fair few maps where they do outshine other units. Gorgons can be A-S tier imo. As for multiplayer? Gamefaqs and several Discord servers have folks willing and able to engage in that, 'any way you can'.
Fair enough, everyone will have their opinion.
I agree with the Ghost arguments, same movement range as a Hawkman, but can teleport instead, making it a very mobile unit,
slap a snapdragon on it and another mobile unit temporarily to quickly snipe a boss and finish maps if you want (you get 2 snapdragons before the end of chapter 3)
Along with Lich (and Lesser Deamon), they are the only classes that can use Enfeeble, which deals a large amount of fixed damage against the final boss, also comes with the 2nd highest defense of human class, only behind the Lich.
The only downside is that it has worse atk stat than the archer, but better than spellcasters
Yea, Gremlins kinda sux, 5 move vs Birdmen 6 and fairies 7, no ranged skill like the other two or the awesome turn refresh skill that the fairy has, but not sure if being worse than two A tier class is worth being dropped down all the way to E,
it can still fly with a snapdragon to snipe a boss
Mermaids also have snow walking, so that's another reason for it to go up
(at least B tier looking at the list, I rather use this class than the B tier Cerberus or Naga for the late game snow maps, it's a worse valkyrie, but that's an S tier class)
What's the reasoning for Gorgon being A-S tier? I see poor mobility and a wait of 3 turns for it's 30 SP special skill. While the infinite range is nice, it is not very reliable or accurate.
Would like to know the arguments for A-S tier, I'm willing to change my opinion about them with sufficient reasoning. Do you bring like a group of them to cast multiple evil eyes on turn 3 to make it more reliable? I tested most class with just 1 of it in team, so i don't know the reliability of using a group of Gorgons
(There are actually a lot of classes in the video list that I think should be moved around, with arguments to back them up, but not sure if i should go into further detail)
@@tricky2795 Snow walking or no, Mermaids still take a 50% penalty on snow. I've done Aquatic Only before, they're absolutely abysmal
@@CoffeePotato what does the 50% penalty mean? I tested mermaid and they don't take more or deal less dmg than other units with the same stats/equips as them outside the water,
spears deal half dmg if you attack at 2 range, if that's the problem
@@tricky2795I think the damage gets halved. Like my Octopus did 110 damage on water (Speed runned Ariel level lol and that just level 10) but on land it was 60.
I'd probably try using one of those aquatic units on land more often like coffee Potato tried but Octopus simply starts off with 3 movements only. Could become 4.
Just earned a sub lol
Well thank ya kindly!
Disclaimer: I have never played this game (but I look forward to when I do which is likely soon).
When determining tiers, how high is the dichotomy between tiers? The lack of an F Tier shows it may not be super high
A good example is in Super Smash Bros Brawl, where the character(s?) in S Tier are essentially so far above the rest of the cast they might as well be D or F Tier exclusively. The opposite would be Smash Bros Ultimate, where (arguably) every character outside the bottom 3 or 4 in F Tier are viable and on a close-ish playing field.
The dichotomy between S and D in Ultimate is closer to the Dichotomy of S- and A+ tier in Brawl.
I'd say they're all viable, it's just more difficult for some. Like I've done Fairy Only Ironman before, and it was fine. The exceptions would be the aquatics, so Mermaids and Octopi, but only because the second half of the game has almost no water in it. They lose 50% or so on every exchange out of water, and vice versa, so they tend to get cleaned by absolutely everything once winter hits.
@@CoffeePotato
It's nice to see how well balanced many SRPGS are! I haven't played many, but the few that I have played (namely Wargroove and Final Fantasy Tactics Advance) were also well balanced (minus the water in Wargroove which was so broken competitive players just ignore or ban it.)
As an aside before I start playing, how well is the game centered around defense vs evasion?
I dropped FFTA because of how ridiculous evasion is (it outclasses defense.) Thieves had ~70% evasion (IIRC). The basic accuracy raising move was legitimately OP because of this.
It wasn't really satisfying when I could play the same match twice (in the same exact way) and have two very different results due to evasion.
Regardless, thanks for the reply!
@@hadesKIU That's why you play to avoid those, no pun intended. Guaranteed moves, movement debuffs, etc. You can curse luck, or stack the deck, as they say.
multiplayer mode does work
man, I wish bandits were playable in a way that doesnt make the game freeze even if they're not really good, they look cool
Yeah, it's kinda weird that there are no axe specialists aside from Saia, too.
I know there is some big hack that makes them playable, I forgot what it was called, I think it was on FEUniverse, I don't know though?
@@GarbenTheBerserker Not that I know of. Even using Nightmare tools for that makes the game crash.
@@CoffeePotato I linked the hack and a few others, as well as mentioned a hacking discord for the game, I can also link.
@@GarbenTheBerserker All links to Ogre stuff are welcome here!
What is the strongest element of Tactics ogre for me to use on the main character?
might be too late but if someone wanted to edit archers stat gain to be good but not broken units hoe much would they need to change?
They would just need to move them up a damage modifier category.
archers are already good support units as they are. only overshadowed by hawkmen because of flight. if you want to use archers, have them target the mages (wizard, cleric, witch, etc.). you can get an early ice bow from glycinnia too. if you have teleport or warp boots/ring, your archers can go to high places ang start target shooting.
@@adrianaballe True, but many other units can do their same job better.
@@CoffeePotato i totally agree with you. their damage output is mediocre compared to powerhouses like swordmasters and dragoons. even hawkmen ar better archers. but still, archers are usable and fun to use. you just have to maximize their effectiveness and target low defense units.
@@adrianaballe Oh, I agree, doing an archer only run using just melee weapons was fun, I like them, they're just really low on the totem pole in everything but fashion is all.
Amazing have one video about the KoL these days well I agree with you and the tier list except valkyres they are horrible spellcasters and fight no bad but no good, BUT even a archer lvl 50 have a lot of agility and can be a useful and dodge atacks and with equipment they can be useful this game is very good balanced but still have the challenge of a tatic rpg cause if you do not grind and go blind to end the game you will suffer, by the way very good video and game hahahhahhaha
Thank You! I'd disagree on a big chunk of that, though. Spears are arguably the strongest weapon type in general in KoL, barring Snapdragons, plus you're required to bring the one with you to the last fight. Valks are best at shredding stuff up at the front, but they're not hindered by snow, they boost the stats of nearby make characters (making them optimal for the double spear strat with a dragoon especially), and they're on the bulkier end to boot. They're just good at so many things that I'd argue they're the strongest female unit overall.
That said, on grinding...I'm currently just about wrapped up with a solo run that never took a single grind battle or did anything extra. Grind doesn't get you much in this game, but emblems and good positioning matter a ton.
Valkyres damage from early game comes through spell casting actually. It's like a durable spell caster lol. In late game when you get better equipment, she will do good physical damage. Her spells will be just as useful for its aoe too.
29:00 he is a WHAT
He put his wife's soul in his daughter's body, and tried to carry on as normal. She then raided an undead gang against him as he went back to his harem fort. That's just next level "This guy is going right into the Snapdragon" material if I've ever seen it.
@@CoffeePotato oh I see. As far as I understand, his wife's soul going into Euphaire was an accident, but I see were you are coming from. I like him a lot, but your interpretation can be a cool RP way to make an INT based snapdragon for a warlock tho
@@joaozitogameplays I dunno, he's a Necromancer, by OB logic, that means high Charisma....so he's untrustworthy. Plus his lady squad is pretty much rolling spells that are mostly... questionable. Who else has bind in the game? Kink fortress is all I'm saying 🤣
I heard classes with 2 favored weapons are bugged and the second one listed doesn't get bonus. Know anything about that?
It's less a bug, and more of a PSP quirk. It adds the stats for some calculations, but doesn't contribute to damage. So like the One Vision mod has off hand weapons that lower Luck and increase Parry to use as a defensive variant that crits left often for dual wielders.
@@CoffeePotato I meant knight of lodis and how for example swordmaster is listed sword and katana and dragoon is listed sword and spear.
Sound like someone's been grinding hard in reborn haha
I got the philosopher's stone emblem on Eleanor but didn't unlock Siren, anyone knows why?
Does she have the stats? If so, I think she comes Lawful, you'd need to make her Neutral or Chaotic too.
With the mGBA emulator VS is possible, the maps are the same as story mode but chosen at random.
So "Lucky Soldier", "Mark of Valor" and "Veteran Soldier" aren't exclusive to Naris anymore.
Neato! I figured it must work, but never tried.
Euphaire is easily S tier she does ridiculous amounts of damage
Definitely. She has cybils damage and access to summons but also gets the game exclusive energy transfer. Mana potions ok but this enables no consume runs since it accelerates the fluid magic users as well as she can give a unit mana without depleting her own.
How can you possibly put Elrik in E TIER? LOL
- 6 growth in HP and INT
- 5 growth in the rest of the stats which amounts a total of 27 growth points per level (one of the highest growths in the game)
- great base movement and can climb up to 2 steps so he won't need warp ring most of the time giving him another space on the inventory
- has a fricking anti-mage spell Summon Golem which uses his INT to deal physical damage (do you even know how strong is this tho)
Seriously unbelievable
Also I can't believe you put the griffin and the dragons above the wizard and the cleric. Are you sure you played this game?
Fair, but dude's also sketchy as hell. I mean he tried to marry his own daughter, that's going to drop anyone down the tier list.
@@gustavonogueira6293 Sure have, and it's not that complicated. Wizards can get griefed by the weakest classes in the game. Action economy isn't really a thing in this game, so if someone gets close, they're screwed. Priests bring some bulk to the table, but Wizards and Clerics need to rely on some really bulky gear to not get squashed. On the flip side, Gryphons get the same means to attack at long range as the wizard while also being able to crit and take a good bit of punishment. They also don't run out of MP.
Plus they just win on cool factor on top of that. Why rely on Geriatric Gerry over there when you can be rocking a fighter jet that shoots tornadoes?
@@CoffeePotato he didn't try to marry his daughter, man. He was already married but her wife was killed in the reformation and he tried to revive her using magic and sadly her spirit possessed their daughter and because she got crazy he left them.
@@CoffeePotato and sure mages and clerics aren't physically bulky, they are not meant to go melee as they have enough range to deal damage while being safe anyway and the enemies in the game will most of the time focus Alphonse so you just need to position them wisely and they won't even take a hit during the stages. Also they DO can take some magic spells, Wizards and Clerics make a great wall against summons as each hit won't do more than 15 damage on them while dealing almost 30 damage on your other characters (if not more). Not to mention the Wizards damage early game is stupid, while your characters are dealing 30 single target damage they are dealing like 60 area damage and Clerics are almost a must have if you don't want your Knights to lose their turn healing your units a small amount of HP single target. And last but not least your Wizards and Clericss can become a Siren, a Lich or a Priest later, 3 great classes to have around, while beasts will stay a useless beast the whole game. And while beasts are bulky, they don't do a lot of damage, their special attack need to charge 3 turns and don't even do that much damage (even less in the late game), so the only thing they will be doing is tank but Knights make WAY superior tanks as they can sustain infinite amounts of damage thanks to their healing spell if they need to, beasts only have their own HP so they will force you to have a unit to heal them again. Beasts are just terrible, I'd rather have an archer because even they can learn Lachesis and do something useful.
duke's that use health plus are S+ 😂😂😂
They are a punching bag that discovered duct tape 😬
Ninja Dual Weild.
Ninja can't duel wield in this one.
@@CoffeePotato Hahaha Thanj you, Good to Know. Gosh I am playing too much FF tactics. 😁😁
Archangel's Feather, not Gibe of the Fallen Angel for the Angel Knight
Deneb is the only witch i ever use i think its based off thier nature think neutral or chaotic name her Deneb still get the witch class and when she changes into a witch she gets a better witch class.
Is it just me or the beast master isnt there?
Yeah, I'd file him in the same manner as the Dragon Tamer, but apparently Tier List didn't like the portrait, and I didn't notice until way later. My bad on that one.
Poor orson
As poor as his damage 😔
What tier is Alphonse? How can the main character be missing haha
His tier is the tier of the class you assigned him to
i think Dark Angel is better than Angel Knight, because it can use any spells. You forget about "Swordmaster" Margret, Esquire, General, Venefic and Venefica on that list lol.
Fair on both counts.
@@CoffeePotato in Rebalance mod, Angel Knight more op than the original.. it can use spell like High Priest
@@andjarmahesa8576 Lasers go brr
You missed half demon.
Lesser Daemon? He talked about it but used Daemon's picture.
29:04 Wait what? Really?
Bad very too Coffee Potato yours wrong complete too why Siren to useless. Elrik strong too DPS
You might have forgotten to listen to the video there, the audio can be a little low sometimes. Elrik can be as good as he wants, he's just someone that I'd hate to have around. I used him for stats back in the day, but these days...well,
ua-cam.com/video/ZysWSeHUsOw/v-deo.html
knights are S in this game
these is all wrong, every race is strong you just need to know how to play and how to get good stats archer are quite good and very strong you just need to know how to grow them
Right. As not archers. They get a little bonus from using bows, and specialize in speed. Given difficulty isn't too crazy, and rubber banding on the stats is a thing, you realistically can give a bow to any strong unit and have them be a stronger archer. Don't get me wrong, I love em, and it's not even the power as much as the frailty that's an issue.
everyone is blond huh
Ovis is Sweden, yes.
@@CoffeePotato ahhhh makes sense
@@CoffeePotatoTactics Ogre took place in Earth? Oh... I didn't see it that way.