Driving a Modern Diesel Around The World - is this a REALLY bad idea?
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- With a ton of delicate emissions equipment, the requirement for DEF and no tolerance for high sulphur, a modern diesel engine is clearly NOT the best choice for global overlanding.
I discuss my thoughts on the topic, talk about what I'm going to do about it, and finally why I even chose such a complicated engine in the first place!
00:00 Introduction
00:42 Modern Diesel engines
03:03 Side Story - Duramax 2.8 Diesel
03:33 DEF / AdBlue
06:25 Dirty Diesel
07:30 Dirty Diesel - The high sulphur kind
09:55 Countries with High Sulphur Diesel
11:12 High Sulphur Problems
12:51 Just Delete It Already
13:53 Emissions Delete Problems
16:58 Why Did I Get A Diesel To Go Global?
19:54 Your Input - Is This A Bad Idea?
20:42 Outro
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Can you just load water into the tank if needed to get over the computer saying no?
@@Nickle314 I have read that will damage the whole system, and the computer will know it's just water and shut it down.
@@TheRoadChoseMe The lack of an override, if correct, means you can't get yourself out of a real mess if needed. That's dangerous in my opinion.
So long as you know the risks(as with any trip) and mitigate the best you can. The rest the journey will tell. Enjoy the journey it is the destination.
I think for someone that has the experience to plan accordingly, it's a great idea to save fuel. Aside from that, modern gasoline engines have enough reliability that diesel doesn't have the advantage that it used to.
This video is a great example of how different interests can educate people - That color coded map of the world showing which countries are selling the cleaner diesel was something I never would have stumbled upon - Your logical thinking and experimenting is why many follow your channel - Really looking forward to the vehicle/camper detail videos... You're an inspiration
Happy to hear it was helpful!
It is really interesting to see the progression of ULSD throughout the world over the years. Dan is right, what made modern diesel engines somewhat limited after 2007 has become far less limiting in 2023,
airqualityandmobility.org/PCFV/GlobalSulphurStatus_Progress2006-2022.pdf
That map does not give the full picture. I've almost made flawed decisions based on that map alone. There are many countries where there is still a high content of sulfur in diesel but there are some gas stations that also offer ULSD. Examples: Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Argentina, Brazil (the list continues).
@@vdespahere in Brazil you can buy modern diesel in every gas station.
@@waketv Exactly !!! Pretty much every gas station in central and south parts os the country.
Great video as always. A few remarks:
1. Mexico has not fully transitioned to ULSD yet. This has been postponed several times. But ULSD is available if you look for it.
2. The UN map does not give the full picture. There are many countries where there is still a high content of sulfur in diesel but where at the same time some gas stations that also offer ULSD. Examples: Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Argentina, Brazil (the list continues).
3. To make your own DEF you need pure water (distilled water). Interesting idea did not hear it before. Every dealership selling modern Diesel cars typically has DEF.
4. It is worth mentioning that spending a long time at high altitudes can also cause issues. Also going back to ULSD after a while, reduces the risk of damage / DPF getting clogged.
5. Getting an OBD reader that works offline can be a good way to keep track of the DPF (there are so many parameters!), initiate a regeneration, or get unstuck by deleting error codes.
6. It is important to regularly reach at least 70 kph (45 mph) regularly for at least 20 minutes to allow for regeneration.
To answer your final question: Things have improved in the last few years and I think in a few years ULSD availability issues will be a thing of the past in most places (apart from parts of Africa/Asia). Good luck with your new rig!
Thanks for all the info, that is really helpful
Number 6. Vehicle's wheel speed is not the requisite, engine RPM is. At 70 kph (45 MPH) in high gear what is the vehicle's RPM? Many folks think "oh I need to blow out the engine so I must drive fast." Absolutely not, if one wants to drive it choose a lower gear which will run the engine's RPM up drive around for twenty minutes. Without driving one could do this in the driveway with the engine running at X-RPM.
Modern diesels make poor grocery getters. Frequent short trips with land you in the repair shop for a forced regen cycle.
Our experience with our modern diesel is that you need to take it out and drive it for an hour or so at highway speeds so that it can complete a full regen cycle on a regular basis.
During the transition to Ultra-Low Sulfur in about 2007, a lot of the diesel guys had to start using additives and still do. The argument is they removed a lot of the fuel “Lubricity” causing older diesel injectors to start clogging and sticking. Sticking open can cause a runaway engine or melt internals. I’ve lived injector prblems even on my 2006 5.9 Cummins (probably one of the most reliable diesel engines you can get), keeping extra fuel Filters and Seafoam on hand is a must. I ended up swapping injectors at ~160k miles.
My advice Learn your engine, keep extra filters and seafoam on hand and get a scan tool or tuner that lets you read and clear codes. Might be the difference between getting stranded in the middle of nowhere and limping it back to safety…If the diesel had a manual option, I would have gone that route with my gladiator.
Hi Dan, Thanks a lot for this detailed video. We are just back from Argentina and were happy that our 2022 Landcruiser runs on fuel and not on Diesel. We met people who had issues with their modern diesel when going to high altitude and some people even decided not to go above a certain altitude with their diesel as they were afraid the system would shut down. We went to altitudes of just over 5,000 m and had no issues at all and still a lot of torque.
As a Diesel Gladiator owner, I think you made the right choice. The extra torque and efficiency is perfect for the type of driving you're doing. Make sure to use some Hotshots EDT to help lubricate the fuel system and you shouldn't have any issues with the pump.
Hi Dan, I’ve been been watching almost from the beginning. You’ve always made cogent arguments for your reasons for doing a particular build or way of doing things. Same with this diesel choice. Things have changed since your other trips in your gasoline powered vehicles. You were always concerned about your range. I think you have a winner with this diesel build. It gets you almost everything you need and want for your adventures. Learn more, have fun, and make great memories. Until your next video drop.
Great video Dan, well explained and that is an extremely cool Jeep camper setup. I totally get the 'just wanting a diesel' factor, as I'm the same way. It didn't really click for me until I was learning about them in my mechanical/automotive engineering courses, but I love the way they operate, especially the old mechanical ones. So I bought a bunch of old Land Cruisers and ended up with a 1HD-T from a Japanese 80 series in my 60 series. Happy with it so far, and getting similar fuel economy to your camper setup it sounds like. The first real test of it was a ~2,400 km road trip and it handled the mountain passes in BC well. Hope to see you on the road some day!
Dan I like your build it looks good....but from what I'm hearing this engine has been suffering from overheating problems on mountain passes as well as using an incredible amount of DEF fluid on trails. I hope these things have been worked out but I am concerned about this engine. Good Luck.. hope it works out, I'll be following your channel.
Great stuff Dan. Looking forward to see more if the build and your travels with it. I think your reasoning is sound personally as ULSD is more widespread in availability. We have both ends of the spectrum, a 7.3 Powerstroke powered Sportsmobile and a year old Duramax Colorado. Obviously the 7.3 is a beast and will run forever but the little 2.8 in the Colorado is so well suited to that truck. This is our second one and with stock size tires get over 30mpg regularly. It’s funny I first fell in love with that engine while traveling Chile in a Chevy Luv with an earlier version of it. I get a little nervous around the extra complexity of the emissions systems and particularly submerging them in water say in a crossing though I haven’t really heard of people having issues that way. So yeah, intrigued to see how this works for yah!
I don't think either choice would have been 'wrong' they both have their merits. I really appreciate how you are willing to test out the diesel and its fuel economy vs the gas engines you have chosen in the past, plus testing things you haven't included before just to see if there are opportunities to improve on your overland travel experience. I always look forward to your videos, they help me greatly as form my own travel plans as well as inspire and entertain! Thanks!!
Couldn’t agree more with this comment.
Thank you Dan for the video, I am very interested to see how this works out for you. I’ve been driving diesels for the last 20 years and am planning to get a jeep diesel next year. Best wishes and I hope things work out. 😎👍
loving this new build and sharing your thoughts and experience along the way. Cant wait to see it out on the road, ( loved the down under series.) if you want to go remote you need that 10L / 100km. Would love an ep on your goals on the build, ie two people, food, water 1000km range for example. no point building a rig with 100litres of water if only doing a weekend away !!
Thanks! Will do!
Hey Dan love your videos and your honest approach to explaining your choices. Your humbleness is so refreshing compared to most other UA-camrs. I actually think that you will be fine for the most part with the modern diesel engine. Those maps you showed demonstrate that fuel quality is improving globally quite rapidly in the last few years. Looking forward to see how you go and watching your adventures.
I appreciate that, and I feel exactly the same way about the diesel quality around the world.
Certainly I wouldn't take it around Africa right now, but then, I'm not planning to go back to where I've been before.
Its not only about fuel type - torque at low RPM make it much more usable - IE diesel tractors - you can use the same fuel type for heating or even cooking if you want so no added danger of gas or petrol - the commercial world is diesel , trucks , busses so lots of infrastructure to support that everywhere - if most of the torque is made at low RPM's the piston travel/km is reduced and that's why large trucking companies using diesel engines generally get high kilometers - but life is never that simple as you have proven and petrol is also a very viable system for lower weight vehicles - great discussion !
I think you're spot on for big commercial trucks and vehicle without all the emissions stuff. But brand new ones have a LOT of stuff outside the engine that is very delicate and prone to failure.. that's what I'm worried about
Some absolutely excellent information here, good on ya mate! and congratulations on your wicked new weapon! We've been off-roading with a bunch of petrol Delica owners previously and they always had to attack stuff with a bit more vigor. Also running a heater that operates on the same fuel as your motor is a bit of a bonus for sure.
Thanks mate!
I have a 2008 Grand Cherokee 3.0L Diesel, just about to head to The Yukon from Ontario. Your videos have been incredibly helpful while planning my adventure, not to mention putting my mind at ease about modern diesels!
Amazing, have an incredible trip!
I also have a 2008 JGC CRD....keep in mind that is the Mercedes OM642.
Diesel vs Gas comparison. In the 1960s I worked for Ted Shatto Safaris in Ethiopia. Two of our vehicles were Series II 88 Land Rovers. One was diesel, one was gas powered. They were identical, down to using the same engine block, and both were used to haul the safari camp to the camp site and as hunting cars, which involved removing the windscreen, top of the doors stripping them down completely and then driving around until a herd or individual animal was found then the hunter stalking on foot. Both Land Rovers were able of idling along in high range in the first three gears, .... But .... the diesel used half the fuel as a hunting car and on the road.
Absolutely no question, diesel vehicles consume less.
The issue is all the extra stuff on these modern ones.
I think this is a great experiment and you are 100% one of the best youtubers to show us a real world scenario. I actually didnt go with the diesel on that glady due to the negative def reviewers, yet now everyone stands by the diesel
great video, what are the mirror extenders for your gladiator, I need the same thing.
Another great video with excellent thoughts and information. I think your completely right when you say youll just have to wait and see as to whether the new diesel will prove to be a good invesment. As an environmentally concious person myself I struggle with enamored relationship with my 1994 Chevy Suburban 6.5L diesel. I know its not the best for the environment but sometimes the needed purpose of the vehicle and budget has to carry some weight in decision making. My burb is my work vehicle primarily and can serve in the overlanding role as well. Its space and towing capability as well as its purchase price back when I bought it make it the afforable practical choice for me and my budget. In your case your custom vehicle with the diesel seems pretty practical to me as long as it doesnt presenty you with issues travelling to those dirty diesel destinations. First I think the diesel engine will serve you better in hauling the weight of your camper around much more fuel efficiently then a gas engine would. And the stress on the engine will be less, so the longevity of the diesel engine compared to a gas engine should be considerably better in your use case I would think. Also I think that diesel engines hold their value better and are more friendly to rebuilds, again adding to the extended logevity of running the vehicle. So for long distance travel it seems to be a good choice imo. That is ofcourse as long as new technology doesnt have ya pulling your hair out😊. Technology is so awesome when it works but can be such a nightmare when problems arise.
blocked dpf issues are typically from lots of short trips with no load on the engine and not enough heat to burn off particulates. that won't an issue at all on an overland rig.
the sulphur is probably not going to be an issue either. you head into high sulphur territory with good fuel and a few tanks later you're back in good fuel again.
the big issue with modern diesels is common rail injection and extremely high fuel pressure a minor issue with fuel trim values, spray pattern or leaking injectors can cause big problems. toyota especially have huge reliability problems with their crd motors.
the vm 3.0l has been mostly reliable in grand cherokees in australia but they do get alternator failure, they have a coolant hose under the inlet manifold that leaks and is a big job to replace and rarely but not unheard of they will spin a main bearing which is pretty much terminal.
i think you've made a good choice for power and economy and i wouldn't expect major issues until the motor has high mileage. i would probably monitor egt's in real time as they can warn you of problems before they become serious.
Awesome video and content . I'm keeping up to date with your build via star link . I'm currently camped up on the Dome overlooking Dawson city yukon in my built for long distance off and on road touring 019 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited . I just got back from Tuktoyaktuk and the Dempster , just taking a breather for a few days up on the Dome . Heading to Alaska in a couple days , for a couple weeks , then back down to explore and camp Northern BC .
Really like your content , fantastic build keep up the good work.
Wild Bill Adventures North . Over and out .
Amazing Bill, enjoy Dawson and the Yukon, I miss the North everyday!
Yes it is so beautiful here it is beyond words . I started out from my home in London Ontario , driving across Canada , a stunningly beautiful country we live in full of friendly people , I'm having a blast .
I really like your build and think the Diesel is not a mistake , I think it is a great choice for all the reasons you stated torque and fuel economy , fuel being the largest expense while out overlanding.
Wild Bill Adventures North . "Maybe I'll see you out on the road." Over and out.
Howdy Dan, been a long time follower of your content. I love and can relate to you analytical approach on a subject. Very refreshing compared to the loud and materialistic bloat that surrounds the "Overlanding industry" today. So thank you.
I too have always craved more fuel economy in my travels vs high hp, obnoxious tire size, and flashy suspension.
To answer your question, I'd say enough of you felt compelled to go modern diesel vs not. So I think you made the right call. I too just imported a 4jb1-t (older isuzu 4cyl turbo diesel) here into the US to build a dream vehicle of mine.
You balance practicality with passion very well. Good on ya. I look forward to your next installment
Thanks for the kind words! I can't wait to see what you build
Best video I’ve seen on the topic yet Dan! One thing that may have been worth noting is that the DPF can be proactively manually cleaned as a preventive measure. It is a pfaff undoubtedly but a relatively straightforward task and will prevent DPF-related limp mode. At the injection side, the main issue is potential churn of the diesel filter, which is more to do with the first definition of ‘dirty’ addressed in the video (eg contamination not sulphur). To complete the map a bit… Iran is >5K ppm (7000ppm to be precise), most diesel in Syria is presently from this source so one should expect the same there. Thanks for the video, loving the build!
Thanks! How do you clean out the DPF? Do you mean manually opening it up and cleaning it?
ua-cam.com/video/Zw-EAc_Lpv8/v-deo.html
This is a good video on cleaning a DPF with a systematic approach. There are others out there but they are more rough and ready.
Good luck in your travels.
Thanks very much, that is great!
@@TheRoadChoseMe Apologies, I’m tardy monitoring my replies. There are two methods: one with the DPF left in situ, with solvent injected at the temp sensor location (this I gather is how dealerships woulld normally do it); second by removing the DPF from the vehicle. Have a look at Steven B. Tuner’s channel here on YT, he does a good job discussing the ins and outs and which solvents to go for. I was given a quick run down on the first method by a LR dealership in Russia, but it was all a bit technical and required a kit so I resolved next time to just pay a local mechanic/borrow a bay in future and go for the latter method. I’ll be doing this with the Grenadier next year in Sth America noting that the DPF location in that vehicle is somewhat inconvenient.
Good or bad, I appreciate that you're paving the way to try it out so that you can report back to everyone on the experience. I think you'll be fine with the precautions discussed.
I hope so too!
I love my VM Motori 2.8 Duramax in my 2019 ZR2 Colorado! Its an amazing little engine that is very torquey for how small it is. and still gets a consistent 23MPG with 34" tires. This makes longer road trips and more exploring much less stressful than any of my gas trucks or Jeeps in the past. And I still can tow a decent size trailer like my boat to the lake on the weekend! I just hit 100,000 miles with 0 problems with the exhaust system for the truck. I have seen a lot of guys on the 2.8 forums that don't have many, if any issues. The common denominator I have noticed is that when they do have problems, it's the guys who baby their trucks and drive them like a little old lady to church. The ones towing every weekend and using them to offroad in extreme conditions are not having problems with the emissions systems. I would surmise the heat to burn all the particles in the DEF filter and less "forced regen's" aids to the truck not getting plugged up.
Just my 2 cents, that may or may not be true.... love your build btw! so cool and makes complete sense to me on the JK frame!
What is your opinion?
Urea crystals need to be mixed with deionised water, not tap water. And are sensitive to humidity when stored. Something to take into account. Central Asia is a risky part for diesel quality. Often high sulfur content.
The AddBlue fluid ( 32% Urea solution) is really only used to reduce NOx, 1Litre will last over 500 miles so it’s less than 5% of your diesel consumption.
Right, it really doesn't use that much, but it's something I have to plan ahead for, because running out would be a big, big problem
This was an amazing one Dan! Thank you as always for your thoughtful and intelligent deep dive into a super niche and super awesome topic! One question I have for you about your diesel jeep - how does the sound of the engine compare and contrast to your gas jeeps of the past? Do you kind of love the sound or is it so deep and loud that it's a little bit annoying?
I can't hear the engine when driving if the windows are up. With the window down its a totally different sound when you get close to a brick wall or building like in a drive though. It has quite the rumble right off idle, but I like it.
The noise finally seems fitting for such a vehicle!
I was parked next to a Jeep diesel at BCOR and when they started it up ever morning to charge their batteries I was amazed at how quiet it was. My 2.8 Duramax Colorado sounded like and old tractor by comparison.
I think you made a good choice for you. You can work around countries with high sulfur diesel by buying extra fuel before going to those countries. Frequent oil changes & simply spending less time in those places.
Can’t wait to see the interior!
Thanks for creating informative & interesting videos. Happy Trails!
That's the plan!
We also use our Land cruiser for a Daily driver when we are not travelling, so Euro 6 Engine is a better bet for us living in UK and travelling around Europe. It therefore has a much lower taxation class and does not run into extra fees when driving through cities with Low emission zones. I also don’t think I’m the only one that does not like driving behind a Smokey smelly diesel or walking in a town that is full of them. The Euro 6 spec is beautifully clean and odourless in comparison.
I am from Germany and we see a lot cars, trucks and other machinery powered by modern diesel engines failng because of bad emission systems. The main issue is always the AdBlue stuff. The pumps go bad, the lines brake, sensors do not work properly... And Germany is one of the countries with the best fuel quality. So I think I would be more concerned about the complex system failing because it is to complex. As long as the car throws only a check engine light it is ok, but when it goes into limp mode...
Btw: in Europe modern (direct injected) gas engine do have a particle filter as well. But up until now I did not heard anything faulty about them.
Hello Dan! I have been driving wheel loders for many years with ad blue in extremely dusty environment. Always keep a brush with you to clean the cap of before opening to fill up your def fluid these systems are extremely sensitive to any contamination in the tank. And as you said try to keep your ad blue level half full.
Thanks for the tips!
I love the build. I’ve been hesitant about the Jeep diesel because of the fuel pump and overheating issues derating the engine plug my general lack of diesel knowledge. Great video
It certainly is a lot more complicated and delicate than the regular old 3.6 gas engine sadly.
G'Day Dan, what an amazing vehicle you're putting together, I am excited to see the final build and follow you on more of your adventures. I've been living in the USA for 20+ years now and was always a Diesel Troopy & Land Cruiser guy back in OZ. None of this fancy V8 Diesel but the 1HZ 4.0L Straight Six Turbo Diesel, not the fastest, but could tow anything and unbelievably reliable Vehicle. Anyway, I think you have made a solid choice on this vehicle, it's always a compromise when choosing a vehicle tat fits 90% of your needs. I always preferred a manual transmission but it was a huge game changer when I went to Auto, especially driving on Fraser, Moreton and Stradbroke islands. I'm interested in your thoughts about driving an automatics now.
Cheers mate.
I had never had an auto before, but went all the way around Australia in an 8 speed auto Gladiator and it was game changing. The really tricky stuff in Cape York on the old tele and the big dune climbs in the Simpson and Canning were so, so much easier than with a manual.
I love, love driving a manual, but when it gets really technical, the auto is so much easier!
The 2.8 liter diesel was put in the Jeep liberty 2005 and 2006 in the U.S. also called the Cherokee everywhere else. I've got one in my family and absolutely love it, I drive a wrangler now, but may look for the 2.8 liter to convert someday.
Hey Dan - great video. After years traveling by motorbikes and a Defender, we're shipping a 2023 VW Euro6 from Europe to Colombia next month.
If doing a forced DPF regen, do you know if an oil change is required/advised?
Sounds like a grand adventure - all the best!
Hmm, I'm not sure about the regen, though with such a modern diesel I would reduce the oil change interval by half anyway.
I have followed your advice where applicable to my journeys and I have found them useful. Thank you.
However I wonder at how you changed your mind as I recall your pro petrol video from a while back. My goal is Ushuaia not Gabon but I still prefer my Jeep powered gasoline van over the Sprinter.
I wish you well with your latest plan that is decidedly a new approach by your good self.
We actually discussed deleting our to do the panamerican hwy. costs are about $1000 USD without doing a transmission flash. That should include egr, and pipe, full exhaust and computer programming.
That said we’ve done 20k miles from Ouray up to TukToyaTuk offroading to the border following continental divide. Then Alaska over 3 months. We did not have any issues with our engine. The power is amazing, and as mentioned its is easy to bulletproof the thing. Even though that can be very grey to do so.
Mind if I ask what company was going to straight pipe it for $1000 all in?
I almost bought a diesel Wrangler in 2020. But then the Bronco came out with the 2.7 engine and I got that instead. Never having owned a diesel, I was just too nervous about all the emission complexity. Did I make a mistake? So far, it doesn't look like I did. I genuinenly hope this is a huge success for you. I will be following you closely as I am very interested in this build and in general, I love your adventures!
Hi from Spain 🇪🇸!
Here in Europe is quite rare to find petrol 4WDs.
Mainly for 2 reasons:
1. Fuel consumption/cost
2. Performance off-road
Here the country side is not flat or desertic on which the engine quick response and the pure power is more important. Instead the terrain is full of mountains and narrow trails. On this terrains the diesel shines because it’s all about low and mid range torque, and that’s what you need off-road.
Yes you can put a big 6.0L V8 petrol and get the same torque as 3.0L 4 or 6 cylinder diesel engine, but the you return to the first issue…fuel consumption & cost.
That said we all would love to run these big V8 petrol in ours 4WD.
A lot of great info. Thanks for that! In my experience both petrol and diesel are fine for the most part traveling through remote areas. An extra filter for a petrol might not be too necessary whereas for a diesel it's a must. Fuel additives also help protect both engines which is a suggestion from me. But both do work really well. I don't think you made a mistake
Just an idea, could you use an exhaust switch, allows you to divert your exhaust to atmosphere in high sulphur fuel locations, then switch back to DPF system?? The engine light might come on, but saves the DPF and AdBlue system.
Excellent topic. Only time will tell. The manufacturers spend plenty of money on research and testing to ensure that things run with out everything being spot on.
Could you give your opinion on underbody protection plates, necessary or not. We are starting out round Australia trip in 3 weeks so have been following your trip with great interest. Keep up the excellent contents.
Hey Dan, thanks for the great video. Your choice of diesel, I think, is a good one. I own the diesel in a Gladiator. 40k miles and the vehicle is performing excellent.
I would be careful with the bumper and lights mounted on your bumper. I do know the diesel will struggle with overheating at high altitudes being loaded adds to the problem. I would want my front grill to be free of obstructions and allow free and clear airflow.
I am installing the AEV Snorkel you have. I noticed your intake cap is not recommended by AEV for use on a diesel. Has AEV had discussions with you about the intake?
Love your knowledge and experience. Thanks
AEV are now saying the prefilter is fine. It's a newer model of filter (9001-R) and there is a PCM flash from Jeep to address problems.
As for the overheating, I'm told it will only happen on big mountain pulls at 60+ miles an hour, which means the US is the only country in the world it will ever happen, so I'm not really worried about it.
I RESTORED A 1959 5 TON FC JEEP TRUCK THAT WHENT AROUND THE WORLD IN 1959 / 110,000 MILES 3 YEARS. NOBLE TRENHAM WAS THE GUY THAT DID IT.
I appreciate your honesty. It's tough to be honest with oneself and to know when one is making the best decision on paper vs. what one wants to do. I think the diesel is a great idea for all the reasons mentioned - it will be fun, you will have much more low end torque with that camper and in a few years you will be able to share with every one the practicality of it all. I'm looking forward to hear your results.
Absolutely!
This is why the 300Tdi diesel in Defenders is sought by overlanders, because it can tolerate dirty diesel. However modern diesels such as the 2.4 and 2.2 can work with care.
I have a mountain of questions about this build, but I will just ask one today because I am not sure if you mentioned it in the previous videos. I may have missed it. How much has it cost to remove the old Jeep back end and replace it with the new square box? Yes, I realize the box may not be fully finished yet. I am just focusing on the conversion part of the build. I like this box idea so much that I would to begin to save to do the same in the future. And, as we all know, it is better to have savings goal before putting the plan into action. Thanks for you time.
It depends entirely on how you value Michael's and my time. Even if you paid us $50/hour for the work we've done, it would be prohibitively expensive.
If it gets manufactured, it would have to be done differently so it doesn't require so many hand labor.
Dan, as you were talking i noticed your mirror extensions, what are they?
Great decision. I love my 3.0 liter diesel. Great power, great mileage, and should easily last 250k. I have 117k on my VW Touareg tdi and just drove it 4900 miles to Alaska.
Im in Indonesia at moment which rates poorly on the UN sulphur chart but there are plenty of latest modern diesel vehicles on the road here, toyota, mitsubishi, maybe you can research problems encountered here, if any. Looking forwrad to final build walk through.
I love my diesel 2019 Chevy Colorado… I’m not a Jeep fan but go for it nonetheless! I’m writing from Huston BC on my way home to Pennsylvania, the last leg of an epic trip that you, Dan, helped me plan… The Dempster Highway all the way to Tuk! My Colorado performed flawlessly. You’ll love the diesel and you’ll never turn back. (I was also on the Alaska Highway, the Campbell Highway, top of the World, and most recently, the Cassiar Highway. Anyone who not done this trip must put it on their list.
Amazing, I'm really happy to hear you had just a great adventure!
Look into the Green Diesel Engineering tune. I have one on my 2021 Jeep Wrangler Ecodiesel and it is US EPA compliant yet improves performance and better manages the EGR system.
Higher sulphur fuel is better for your engine because it has higher lubricity than low sulphur. The government set the emissions standards for auto manufacturers to meet and they came up with the particulate filters and urea tanks that all modern diesels have now, to keep them from plugging up they recommend ulsd, then they had to redesign fuel pumps and injectors to handle the reduced lubrication of the "cleaner" diesel. The state of California has the most comprehensive testing on the lower lubrication of ulsd if you want to read up on it. I have three welding trucks in Alberta and I've deleted two of them (2013 and a 2021) I haven't found anyone to delete the 2023 yet. I agree with you 100% on the reasons not to delete but twice I've been stuck with def fluid flash freezing in the lines when trying to fill it
Interesting. I know lots of people say the extra lubricity of the high sulphur is a good thing for modern injection pumps, but also lots of people say it will kill them. It's hard to know what the actual truth is!
Interesting video, thanks for producing this content. A thought I had that you didn't mention is adding a new "tool" in your tool box, namely an ODCII connection device. This will give you more insight into what's happening with your engine and assuming you have the right device it should also allow you to force the engine into a burn off mode instead of relying on the ECU to do this automatically.
Thanks, I should have mentioned I have one
I'm curious how you feel about the fuel pump recall that is out on this engine currently. There is no fix available yet, and it could be months before one is. Are you worried about a catastrophic fuel pump failure when out in the boonies?
Obviously it's not a good thing, but basically every engine in the world that uses the Bosch CP4 injection pump has this same problem, and the fix seems to be everyone is going back to the *very* trusted and proven CP3 injection pump.
A little birdy told me Jeep have parts for the recall arriving in warehouses now :)
Dan, met someone from your hometown today, he drives a old land rover with a custom box camper. I have a diesel gladiator and in Sterwart BC now, about 11,000 miles into the trip. Love my diesel.😅 20:48
Say hi to them for me!
I recently had trouble with an old land rover injection pump. I rebuilt it. A bit (lot) of gunk can cause a lot of problems in an injection pump.
I also have a JLURD...love it. Diesel (to me) makes perfect sense for your build. Question...what are your thoughts on the 'snorkel' and would you recommend. TIA.
The snorkel has been great, and for where I like to go on the planet, I think it's essential and I wouldn't have an expedition vehicle without one. Dust and water.
I talk about it here ua-cam.com/video/qouB8DjZsP0/v-deo.html
I commented on your Patreon but I'm going to share it here, because it might be useful for the general public to know too. Either way, it was a fantastic video!
At 2:15 you stated modern petrol engines don't have the level of complexity that a modern diesel does. This is true, except in Europe, where petrol engines actually have Gasoline Particulate Filters (GPF) just to meet Euro 6d emissions standards. This is already causing problems, just like DPF systems do, and Europe has a lower sulphur content in both petrol and diesel than North America at just 0.001% (10 ppm). With Euro 7 only a couple of years away, this is only going to get worse.
Related to this, your section from 7:30 was very comprehensive, but the only thing I will say is that you will need to check with your manufacturer what the maximum permissible sulphur content is. For modern Land Rovers, as an example, all vehicles with a DPF can run on sulphur levels of up to 0.005% (50 ppm), and vehicles without up to 0.2% (2,000 ppm). Older Land Rovers such as the old Defender Tdi can run up to 1.0% (10,000 ppm).
If there is a silver lining, Europe has the highest diesel quality in the world, with a higher cetane (51 cetane number vs. 40-45 cetane number) so it'll burn better and run more quietly, lower sulphur levels (10 ppm vs. 15 ppm) so you'll use less DEF and have less DPF regens, and less aromatics than North America. On the downside it's also some of the most expensive diesel in the world!
Any kind of fuel in Europe is extremely expensive.This is a place for a certain budget overlanders.
@@strofimios Try living here, taxation is so high its not even funny. The UK has a 20% sales tax for crying out loud!
@@cameronwood1994 23% here,i live in Greece.African wages with european(in most instances even higher) prices.
@@strofimios How are you supposed to live? Madness!
@@cameronwood1994 You are only surviving,living is another thing...
So i have a JT diesel and love it, While im on 35's but kept the wheel and tire combo light (sub 100lbs) I would like a little bit more power. The same company you are prolly thinking of makes a stg 1 tune that keeps the DEF but deletes the egr(earlier engines had alot of issues revolving around it). The misconception with modern diesel is DEF system failure and not the intake side of the fuel system. On a side note somebody needs to 3d print you some mirror arms that are longer/wuma performance wide angle mirrors.
additional light and a bumper cover the cooling grille. Have you had any problems with this? thanks
None at all, AEV have tested this extensively
Love the experimentation! If the next vehicle is 2-4 years away it would be fascinating to try the 4xe that exists by then.
I'm hoping there will be a full EV by then!
I do my oil every 6k miles on my 2022 eco diesel gladiator. I’m at 33k miles no no issues with the diesel. I run edt diesel fuel additive since day one.
But you can’t beat the mpg and low end torque.
I ran the white rim trail in Moab last week only a using 1/2 tank of diesel.
I ran the alpine loop in Colorado yesterday with zero worries about fuel.
Low end crawl power is crazy. Love it.
But after a lot of wheeling this week the factory 3.73 gearing does not cut it. Going down hills in low gear it over runs. Needs a lower gear. That’s with the rubicon 4-1 transfer case. Thinking 4.56 or 4.88
Great to hear!
What size tires do you have? What mileage are you getting?
Mine sits in 8th gear less than it used to, so I'm thinking of going to 4.10s, or I might just go down to smaller tires
@@TheRoadChoseMe I’m on 37s km3s. Love them. On aev rims with the proper offset.
I get 16.7 in 4 low. 20-22 highway.
On the trails I stay in 4 low. Oil temp and the diesel loves 4 low. still have to watch oil temp. 220 normal I’ve seen as high as 250 climbing high peaks and I’m currently in telluride co this week. Imogine pass climb I was at 247 degrees Fahrenheit high oil temp. De tune is 255-260 I think. Always leave it running after a hard pull to cool off the oil.
Love your video’s. The question is servicing your motor. Do you find just as many mechanics that work on diesels versus gas engines? FYI I am catching up on your videos 👍
I have never taken any of my vehicles to a mechanic, I do everything myself
In Brazil ULSD (10 ppm) is already standard, at least in central and south parts of the country. Great content !!!
Good to know, thanks! I assume DEF is not hard to buy either
Good info! Like so many, I’ve heard that international travel with a diesel was a no-go. I’m glad to see that it’s doable.
At least in Baja and mainland Mexico, a lot of the ULSD has been sampled and tested by some people to find that unfortunately it is just LSD with a false label. I’d assume it happens elsewhere as well.
Huh, interesting
Mexico has not fully transitioned to ULSD. Do a bit of research to find which gas stations in Mexico have ULSD.
I am aware of the transition, all the delays, how long it has taken and how much more it has to go. But the point isn't about any country's full transition to ULSD. Slightly related but it is a different point.
All of the sample fuel tested to be LSD were all labeled ULSD at the Mexican gas station it was taken from cross mainland and Baja. The point is the research you find online is unreliable and inaccurate because stations are intentionally mislabeling LSD as ULSD or just don't really care/know about the difference. There is no way to know that unless you test what goes in your vehicle. There isn't a test that I know of you can do in the field. Needs to be sent to a lab which is impractical and also means you cannot trust your research or even what you see. I have talked to diesel mechanics all across Mexico about this. They are all very wary of diesel quality around the country especially the stations selling cheaper fuel.
Any country in the middle of a transition will have this problem. The problem will be lessened over time until a full transition is done. This isn't a unique problem to Mexico. It just happens to be what is going on there today. My modern diesel vehicle has been in Mexico since last November so I am very well aware of the situation here.
Until LSD supply is unavailable in a given country, you will also run the risk of not actually getting ULSD even if it says so.
Bottom line is what you see online and even in official documents is one thing. What happens on the ground is what matters.
@@malimish I see your point and it's not a surprise. Where did you read about this? I would love to learn more.
Jeep actually did have the VM Motori 2.8 in the US. It was installed for 2 years in the Jeep Liberty, 2005 - 2006.
Well, I have a jeep gladiator eco-diesel of my own, in my opinion is: when you have more torque you have less stress on your engine and also in all the drivetrain I hope your jeep comes with all the steel parts in the staring and no the aluminum parts the gas in Jeeps. the extra tork will help you overcome easier all the hills and obstacles, and if you want to pull something like a trailer, it will be easier as long as doesn’t put too much weight on your hitch
Sounds like you have done a bit of research. I think you know what is best for where you are going.👌
Nice to see the completed vehicle, however “Gone Jeeping”beat you to the punch on the unveiling.
Also is it me, or is your brake reservoir low?
Hello Dan. Great video, as usual. Simplicity vs. complexity (with higher efficiency) has been a question to consider ever since technology began (a very long time ago). Simplicity was a fundamental Overlanding mantra, but recently technology has been embraced by many Overlanders. Personally, I try to keep it as simple as possible, only adopting technologies that have a proven track record of reliability.
Very true, well said
I seem to remember Live and Give had issues with their large diesel truck and were able to use their laptop to input some code to by-pass the engine shut down. Not sure if that applies to what you are talking about here. When I was travelling in Africa in the late 1980’s, we often had to find what was essentially black market fuel. We would get directions to drive into a sketchy part of town, give the secret door knock (kidding) and hand pump diesel from 45 gallon drums. Many times it was just part of the adventure and we never really had any problems getting diesel.
I accidentally put a tank full of “farm diesel fuel” by mistake in Wisconsin. My mileage dropped from 29mpg to 22 mpg until I ran it out. I have a 2014 VW Touareg tdi. Could not sense a change in performance. Also, I think the “tune” is illegal?
My dream is to do a similar Africa trip to yours in my V8 Troopy, no DPF but probably needs cleaner fuel that isn’t available in much of West Africa... I may have to rethink and get a new one with the 1hz engine.
Well done, from someone who has just done 4000kms around Queensland in a diesel 2009 Defender, towing a caravan. Glad I wasn't paying extra for the petrol needed to do the same trip, which adds up over long distances. Diesel rules in remote Australia, as you found out down here.
I actually drove a petrol Jeep Gladiator around Australia that got about 13l/100km.
Because petrol was so much cheaper than diesel at the time (sometimes 50c/l), it was cheaper to drive the petrol gladiator than my friends in diesel land cruisers.
You didn’t mention my pet hate egr truck engines took years to get back their reliability the Cummins with ad blue is the best since 2006 don’t fear it good luck with your travels
I following your videos for four years,Your way is my dream!😊
Thanks, that's awesome to hear. If I can do it, you can do it too!
I’m in the armoured car biz and we’ve had modern diesel engines in our sprinters and they get driven hard and both have around 300k. The mileage is so much better than the gas trucks and we rarely have any problems. The gas trucks with all the extra weight is atrocious. I think you made a great choice!
I doubt your trucks drive around the world...
@@JeepCherokeeful well duh
Hey Dan We spoke a while ago about the Mister Funnel water / crap separating funnel Do you still carry one ?
I had one for Africa that i used whenever I thought the fuel was sketchy, and I will do the same thing when I go to the undeveloped world with this diesel engine.
I have a 2022 3.0 D wrangler unlimited. I’m interested in seeing your project completed and some adventures with this Jeep!
That's the plan!
Not sure if it’ll be better for your trip but it should definitely make for better content creation! Looking forward to seeing what’s next.
Great informative objective video. Have you checked your fuel consumption with the box on the back?
Thanks for exploring and learning for us.
I think complicated on a trip is an issue i try and keep it simple. (Running a Toyota 1HD FTE with its electronic swapped to mechanical fuel timing).
Regards from ZA.
Thanks Dan.
Yep, the 23 US MPG (10l/100km) I'm getting now is with the box on the back and the spare on the roof. I'm pretty happy with that.
@@TheRoadChoseMe that's excellent consumption.
Which is the number 1 reason I went for the EcoDiesel!
@@TheRoadChoseMe the question I always ask myself is "what if I require specialist diagnostics(complicated laptop stuff) in the bush" this is why I try keep it simple. FYI a guy with a new Merc G wagon got stuck in limp mode in Botswana only to find out when the vehicle got to the dealers it was something which has to be reset by the dealers(that sucked).
This I think it's a concern with many advanced vehicles used to Overland. However the tech reliability is becoming better as time goes on.
For dirty diesel and water use a filter funnel to try filter the crud and water sulphur is always a problem if you start getting blowby it could be the rings sticking in the piston(not good) if the engine starts making oil(diesel getting past the rings) change the oil soonest you could end up with a run away engine.
Agree dirty fuel at least half your oil and filters change intervals. I would also keep an aerosol cleaner or something similar with the tools to clean the sensors down the exhaust line(if you can) as they will clog up and give wacky readings.
You're absolutely right, though sadly I'm not sure there is a viable solution other than buying a 25+ year old vehicle...
I didn’t think that the diesel engine was available in Australia. Did you import your wrangler for the latest build?
He is in Canada, not Australia
Can you put straight distilled water in place of DEF if needed?
No, I've read that will damage the system, and the computer knows the difference and will shut it down
I’m not an overlander but I have a 2011 BMW X5 diesel with about 175k miles. Had a few issues. Interestingly, modern diesels have a throttle body for emissions and safety reasons. Mine failed on a roadtrip far from home. The spring should force it shut, keeping the engine from running- and it sounds like others have had this failure mode. The failure on this item is oil in the electronics.
Fortunately, mine failed open so I was able to easily drive the 600 miles home and replace it at my leisure a few weeks later. The only symptom was rough shutdown and an initial servo clattering the day it failed, and never again.
FWIW I also had to replace my particulate filter at 150k. Thankfully I can afford to replace it; and I live in a strict jurisdiction. Absent those factors I could see deleting it. But overall I agree with the mission of limiting particulate pollution so I’m fine with it.
I absolutely love the motor by the way. It’s a gem. I can’t imagine a gasser in a heavy vehicle.
I’m most curious what shower solution you arrive at. In particular, during cold/cool weather when one doesn’t want to be taking a shower outdoors.
I can’t remember if you covered showers/keeping clean in the past.
I’m happy to discuss some of the inexpensive options I’ve tested with some success, but still haven’t found the perfect solution.
Also have some ideas on heating water that I haven’t been able to test yet.
It will be outside for sure, I don't want to deal with all that condensation inside the box.
Also, some of the best showers of my life were at -40C/F in the Yukon, outside!
Nice that you know all of the oil details for that Diesel - So many horror stories of spun main bearings on that engine that are probably likely to bad oil change intervals - Aparrently the Italian maker designed it for GM for the EU version of Cadilac just before GM went bust in 08.
My 4D56T/D4BH (Hyundai knock off of the 4D56T Pajero) Galloper _finally_ got on the road anter a lot of effort, skinned knuckles and swearing. We are up to Manitoulin the coming weekend - If that works then BC (from Ontario) mid August and if all that works it is down to Nicaragua in November.
Thanks for clearing this up! I love these explanatory videos
Glad it was helpful!
@@TheRoadChoseMe not only that but it makes me want to go on a big road trip with you some day! I’m doing Iceland this October ! And if you’re ever around Europe let me know! Cheers !
Hi Dan,
You really are a legend. I've been following you for a while. I don't always agree with your choices and your conclusions, but I can't fault you for digging into the subjects you tackle and arguing the choices you make very well, nor your open-mindedness and curiosity.
I worked in engine development for 8 years. It's my training and my first job. And as you described very well (as a diesel engine is much harder to Depollute than a petrol engine), modern diesel engines have become much more complex and therefore more fragile. Very sophisticated injection system with very precise machining due to very high injection pressure, EGR valve, Turbo, dual regulation, for Turbo/Egr, particle filter, oxidation catalyser, NOx trap, urea injection...
So I wouldn't, and in fact I didn't (I've got a Land Cruiser GRJ 78 so V6 petrol) choose a diesel for travelling and even generally for that reason.
Even in Europe, with quality fuel, these engines are a source of problems. And you are currently experiencing this with a recall on a new vehicle.
It shouldn't be much of a problem in your case in NA but in a country where the quality of diesel isn't as good it's definitely a source of more stress or problems.
Cheers! And have fun with your new toy... ahh, sorry Jeep... ;-)
Thanks!
For sure it's a concern, but I'm absolutely taking this thing out of North America - that's why I built it!
You're welcome.😉
Don't get me wrong. I think you can drive anything anywhere. The only question is how painful/fun it is.
There is no right choice. There is only the choice that suits you.
I have the Jeep Gladiator Rubicon with the Ecodiesel and live in Arizona. In the peak heat of summer it sometimes gets warm and the engine goes into some type of management loop and debates powers until it cools off. I can’t imagine this would be good in the Sahara.
I've talked to some very knowledgeable people about this (known) issue, and pretty much everyone said it will only happen on very hot days on the interstate doing 70+ miles an hour.
Which means the USA is the only country it will ever happen in
@@TheRoadChoseMe mine does it on the freeway AND in the woods. Supposedly the new grill design will help, but I don’t believe it.
I've been watching your channel since you started building the JK for your trip around Africa. You've always done your homework and weighed all the pros and cons of your decisions. Complexity aside, adding an auxiliary tank like the JK had, giving the extra range with the better fuel economy, will make up for the pitfalls. Then I feel like I won't be watching another episode of you in the middle of nowhere, rolling in on fumes giving me as much anxiety as you must have been feeling at the time!
Haha, yeah, before I go really remote I'll find a way to carry more diesel for sure.
I think you did the right thing,I wish my 2020 NAS Defender 110 came with a Deisel. Did a 7000 mile trip towing a 5000 pound trailer and it was $2886.00 in fuel.
Wow, yeah, that's exactly what I'm hoping to avoid!
The only thing I can suggest it to keep the DPF free of debris. As you likely already know, DPF covered in grass, leaves etc is a huge fire risk and we've had a recent spate of SUV fires here with vehicles burning to the ground as a result.
Interesting, I though the DPF was up high right at the back of the Turbo. I'll have to research more.
@@TheRoadChoseMe The DPF should be near the exhaust. The entire burning process can get very hot (especially during regen). So if you stop for the night somewhere in high&dry grass, this can happen. However, for overland vehicles like yours this is very unlikely to happen as you are very high.
Because I grew up in Australia I am *extremely* careful about grass fires from the exhaust. I *never* park any vehicle offroad without checking if anything is touching the exhaust. When driving through long grass I also stop regularly to clear out anything getting stuck near the hot exhaust
I had the same 3.0 v6 in a grand cherokee and never had any injection problems in 400k, all original. Turbo had some play but was still ok. A big drink of water through the snorkel was its end. Ran plenty of dirty diesel from stations and had water a fair bit from bad service stations but was alright. Miss the power and torque and 10L/100 sitting at 3 tonnes.
Not sure if the wrangler has the same twin fuel filters and lift pumps but they did well. I added a 3rd 2micron filter that always seemed clean.
Wow, that's great to hear! Where in the world were you driving it?
It has a single 3 micron filter with water separator, I will probably add a second one.
It's also the "Gen3" version of the engine, which has significant improvements over the one you had in the GC.
@TheRoadChoseMe in the relative safety of North and Northwest Queensland. Spent alot of time in remote areas for work or camping. Water and dirty fuel was common. I ran a extra separator filter and changed the main filters every oil change and the secondary every 30k. Genuine ones were cheap through mopar Mexico or USA.
Great engine for touring. They can pull alot of weight around effortlessly.
I really do sympathize with you. I was in your shoes. I wanted a modern diesel for overland travel so I rolled the dice on one. Unfortunately it was just nothing by stress. Diesel fuel isn’t the issue. There’s just too many things that will go wrong. Being in the middle of nowhere and stranded is a terrible feeling. Going back to gas was the best overland travel choice ive made. No more stress or anxiety. But I wish you the best of luck. Love your channel 👍
Thanks for the real world input, I always appreciate that.
What diesel did you have?
Did you have any problems, or was it more just the constant worry of problems that made you switch back?
@@TheRoadChoseMe I had the Cummins 5.0 V8. It was powering my full-size truck camper. Mostly my issues were emissions and turbo related. And yes there was a constant worry about other parts failing such as the expensive fuel pump/system.
DPF regeneration requires high, sustained exhaust temperatures from long journeys at high speeds, that is the DPF problem for low speed travel.. let alone non compliant en590