Luke Tries the Vision Pro
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2024
- Luke tries on the Apple Vision Pro, and Linus gives his first impressions. Also: The Vision Pro has accessibility options for users with only one eye.
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Seeing shaved Linus feels like taking a time machine 5 years back
It makes me remember how much I hate his earrings
Nah this time he washes his hair
He just looks worse to me 😂
Linus has been mewing
@@leeward6762 Thats my friend is wayyyyyy better than homeless linus....
This isn’t a clip, it’s a drum mag
Castle Super Beast fans: First time?
@@key099able Whenever something big happens or a new game comes out, you can count on Woolie and Pat to ramble for at least one hour
@@key099able the last place i expected to find a CSB reference
whatta amazing comment that i actually got :D
I like how this 75+ min video is on the "clips" channel 🤣🤣
Who's the kid on the left?
minus
Little man grew up so fast
@@the_shadow_clasher i hate that i laughed at that. now shut up and take my like.
That's Linus' younger brother Linesegmentus.
Listening to Luke describe the IMAX theater sounds just like a hippie describing his acid trip to you while he's frying
We're not in the "early adoption" of VR anymore, modern VR has been around for over 10 years now. Just because Apple sets the price incredibly high doesn't mean it's early adoption.
Love that the Vision Pro are 77 minutes..
Truly the in-person experience with Vision Pro without any stop
Same as the battery life lol
@@jonasamon9091 battery life is double that, forever with power bank combined with wall attachment throughout the day
I’m my experience the battery life is so significantly longer than 77 minutes. Usually around 2-3.5 hours. But if I’m watching a long long movie after movie I can just plug in the battery while using it.
33:52 "[Apple Vision Pro] is cooler than a phone and a cardboard box" - Luke
I would not be surprised AT ALL if better aftermarket/3rd party straps came out pretty quickly. May not be better, but might be better for some people. The front portion sure looks heavy though!
If the Apple Watch straps are anything to go by the chinese knockoff will be 80% as good for 5% of the price.
@@lbgstzockt8493you never know, look at iPhone cases. Those straps seem pretty awkward, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of junk but there’s always the chance some will be an improvement.
VRbalance probably works for it. I think it's only sold at rebuff reality
yea there's no excuse to not have a cover for the lenses. it would only require that they make a flap that comes around the earpiece and maybe magnetically clicks into place or snaps in. literally $1 difference.
😎🧂
Instead they sell one for like £30
Know what the military does with their night vision devices? they hang the battery off the back of the helmet to balance the weight of the NOD on the front. I guarantee someone is going to come up with something similar for this.
This is an issue that's already been resolved with other headsets... Apple just wants the clean aesthetics I assume.
@@hexrag5901there is also the problem of leaning the back of your head onto something when there's a battery there
That’s not innovative, that’s already done in the competition lol
I’m surprised nobody hasn’t done that. It just makes sense to me.
This is common on EVERY wireless VR headset since 2018.
the fuck are these thumbnails lmao
If they make you react, they worked. That's what's up with them.
Braa on face 😂
called Clickbait
Luke always has the best takes. Couldn’t agree more with his understanding of the Vision Pro
It's basically a video game hud for real life...when they get the same experience in a glasses size device everyone will have them...and anyone without one will be at a huge disadvantage.
I really want something like that. I got a smart watch specifically so I can quickly check notifications at work (or really whenever) without having to take out my phone. I'd love to do that without even needing to look at my risk. Additionally, it has some really interesting applications. Imagine a GPS system, but it actually shows the route in AR. No longer will you miss your turn because the GPS was too slow, you can just see the arrow on the road. It could also increase safety if it can connect to your car's cameras (if it has them). Then there's also the far future where AR is used everywhere in the real world and not having glasses like that will basically make you "blind" in a sense.
But anyway, there's a lot this sort of technology could be used for and I'm excited for it. I'm just not $3.5k excited, especially when it's an uncomfortable headset and not glasses. Though a high quality headset would be nice for a theater mode at the very least (though again, not for $3.5k).
Convenience is my biggest issue with any headset though. I have the Quest 2 and it always sits in front of my on my desk. I could use it whenever, but I rarely feel like it. It's such a hassle to put on and wear, especially because I have longer hair. Then there's the weight of it and everything. VR is fun when I get into it, but I'd often rather just play a normal PC game. Which reminds me that AR glasses would be great for showing multiple displays for normal convenient PC usage.
The more I watch this video, the more things I can think of. Like auto-translation that shows subtitles above people's heads like in Cyberpunk 2077.
Meh, So far there is nothing this thing does that couldn't be done without a cell phone other than watching movies as if it you were in a cinema.
@@alan_7390 The one other good thing it could've had is the ability to have more than one display, but they failed even that (plus it's Apple).
However, I think the easiest comparison is that I'd much rather use that $3.5k to buy a $3k VR-ready gaming PC and get a $500 VR headset (Quest 3 or something similar).
@@MightyDantheman "I'd much rather use that $3.5k to buy a $3k VR-ready gaming PC and get a $500 VR headset (Quest 3 or something similar)" so true
That's how body modification in any cyberpunk style dystopian future looks like.
I'm a mechanic and i would love to use a avp at work. i could look up diagnostics stuff while working on a car, and we take so many pictures all day of everything, i can see this being quite useful to a mechanic.
~26:10 ish - day one change on MacOS with any sort of widescreen display - move the dock to the side. Right click on the divider bar and...
The only good reason to protect the front of the headset over the inside is that the tracking cameras are located there, so if the glass gets scuffed or scratched then there would be tracking errors. But that wouldn't even be a problem if the whole front wasn't glass to begin with.
It's also the part that's most likely to get scratched as it's outward facing. If the whole front was glass then it would make it even more front heavy, personally I wouldn't mind if they just got rid of the front plastic and the screen, it doesn't add much to the experience but it likely adds weight and cost.
It’s plastic.
@@deckverse Not it isn't, it's plastic laminated glass. Zack at JerryRigEverything has also confirmed this.
lol it’s not even glass that’s getting scratched it’s like plastic laminate that gets scratched even more than glass it’s laminated on inside and out
the front is plastic lol. You can call it laminated glass or whatever, it scratches as easily as plastic so in any practical sense of the word it is plastic
Shaved Linus can't hurt you, he's not real
Shaved Linus:
I just wish we could see what Luke was seeing in the Vision Pro
I had a similar issue where it wasn’t distributing any pressure on my cheeks. You can take it in and try out different light seal shapes and swap for a different one for free. I got one that actually touches my cheeks now and it has helped a lot.
48:10 For the record, Quest 2 does have a protector for the inside lenses. Simple, looks like it costs a couple bucks to make and it works well.
26:00 - The best place to put the macOS Dock is on the side, with auto-hiding. That’s much more sensible on today’s wide screens than leaving it in the default bottom position. Adjust all those preferences. There are many quality of life improvements like this to be found in the System Preferences app, or by right-clicking on things.
Yeah for sure. I own a MacBook and I have to change quite a few settings to make it more usable.
I just don't understand why apple doesn't have better default settings
most laptops are taller than 16:9 though
I prefer my dock at the bottom, but auto hide is must!
I have mine at the bottom, but yeh you need to use auto-hiding
I think a large part of it is that the way you use the OS is different from how you would use Windows. On Windows, you use the taskbar to switch between windows, on MacOS (and some other WM's like gnome), you swipe up and switch that way. Also workspaces are pretty integral.
When I first started using a Mac, I tried using the dock as you would the taskbar, and it's just clearly not meant to be used that way.
@@bigbodge - That makes sense. I am a big fan of hot keys: CMD-Tab for my apps, CTRL-Arrow or F3 for my windows.
I am curious what a person with a vision pro on would look like to someone else wearing a vision pro if they were looking at each other in the same room
bro what? It would just be you looking at someone with the vision pro on, it'd be the same if you were looking at them without it on...i dont understand what you were trying to get at? these have a passthrough camera...
@@AndrewPL5 its not just a pass through camera its to be something more like AR.
Anyway you start by scan yourself to make an avatar of yourself. So I see no reason the vision pro couldn't recognise another person that is wearing one in your view, whether it be object recognition or Apple networky mumbo jumbo or both, then replaces the othe person wearing the vision pro with the avatar so it doesn't look like they're wearing one.
@@Nextempus It won't do that, most likely never will. You'll just see the person as you'd see them without the headset on. The only way you'd see someone as their avatar is if you facetime them...and to expand it's a passthrough camera. You can't just remove or replace something that you are looking at unless you turn off passthrough. Hope this helps.
@@AndrewPL5 your lack of dreaming and optimisim astounds me.
It already removes and recognises things particularly people. You can adjust the amount with the crown, scrolly button thing. It wouldn't be that massive a leap to put a person's avatar on them when wearing another Vision Pro.
You're already looking at an internet connected screen. Its basically "facetiming already". Why couldn't it just happen?
@@Nextempus you don't know me, so don't you assume what I am thinking. Dreaming/optimism has nothing to do with just being realistic. Do you know how much processing power would be needed to remove someone and replace them with an avatar? Do you know how much engineering work would have to go into that? I'm just being realistic not living in some fantasy world. I never said I don't want this to happen, I'm just saying it won't. No company would spend the time and resources to do this unless it would provide some huge benefit, which it wouldn't. Nothing can "just happen" without a crap ton of work. Keep dreaming kid, the world will only let you down.
11:56 Yep, you're supposed to have the headband on the upper back of your head. That removes some of the pressure from the front of your face (plus it seals better). If you check the official promos, it has that slight upward angle.
Wow... I have never noticed how semetrical Lukes noise is. It's like a perfect triangle.
@6:25 - There is adjustment vertically through the arm connection at the headset. If Luke were to put the band higher on his head, he would reduce forehead pressure and even out the face seal.
He can and should adjust how it’s seated on his head, he’s wearing it wrong. The knit band is designed to sit near the crown of the head.
Ah, I see you went to the Steve Job's school of excuses - _"you're wearing it wrong"_ 😂
_(Just a joke, I know you're right.)_
In this case, you are right 😅
At the same time, though, they addressed that. They should be able to wear it differently. You didn't listen.
Apple needs to take a look at high end welding hood headgear. With good welding hood headgear, I can have my hood on all day and not feel any discomfort other than a bit of neck strain.
Edit: Look at what Miller is offering for welding helmet headgear. With the number of support points and adjustments, it almost looks like some sort medical device without the hood on it.
Sadly Apple is never going to make a product with a ton of adjustability due to wanting to keep the thing looking clean, which is hard to do with the number of adjustment knobs/straps/cutouts required to do this properly.
You can clearly see how they are trying to avoid easy adjustability as far as the strap goes (with the rectangular connection, not putting a weight on the back and so on.
They could easily make it more ergonomic if they used a less fancy attachment mechanism. It can still be fancy and well made, but it being less adjustable is only going to hurt sales.@@exol511
@@exol511love how they nowadays make shitty products that look cool. they used to make good products that looked shitty. how the turns have tabled
You know its bad when the "clip" has time for a merch message intermission
That cable... Jobs would never let this get released with that external battery xD
There's no way around it
@@personzorz looks directly at the quest
@@peterhindes56 Vision pro weighs the same as the Quest, and it doesnt even have a battery. It would be too heavy if they added that too. I think battery tech needs to improve before we get large improvements in this area.
@@peterhindes56and quest for next release will most likely has dangling battery as well…
It's actually better to have the real hardware sealed and the weakest point externalized.. Just the cable management and positioning is in question.. That being said, if it was in the back we would end up having flat cables going through the cloth and this would be the first to brake.. Like the cv1 audio wiring.. So the external batteries and magnetic connection is a good solution
One thing also with the USB thing you wanted to record a meeting and save it for reference like Linus said over time you as a team forget the goal you first set out to accomplish.
What are you using another screen for that can not be opened in an app that becomes a screen of its own? What does a background screen do or is used for ? I could see an app that is a collection of all my most used apps like the menu bar.
Everything about multiple screens and workflows with many apps can be done on Quest 3 connected to a PC / Laptop
its a much better experience than the quest..I have tried using my laptop screen on the quest but the lower resolution makes it very difficult. I gotta be honest..its not 3500 better, but its a definitely more usable experience. If the avp were comfortable, it would be a game changer..I want to use it more than my face can stand to.
@@rtsstream Lear. How to use it. The resolution thing it's not a problem you are not applying upsampling
11:50 there are instructions that tell you to wear the headband higher up on the back of your head; this would alleviate a lot of peoples comfort complaints. Apple should do a better job of informing customers of this on device.
Thank you for not blaming the customers
@@sunbleachedangel it's natural for people to want to place it in the middle. I find it strange Apple didn't even instruct the pre-launch media on how to better place the Solo Band. A lot of the photos showed people wearing it misplaced and that was from Apple's official media hands on.
So the way most people expect it to be correct isn't actually correct? Sounds like a design flaw!
@@LRM12o8 It's why the band doesn't rotate. If is presses more on the forehead just raise the band, if its to much on the cheek lower the band.
@@LRM12o8 its a feature
So I see why people say it's uncomfortable, if they wear it like how Luke is doing, yea. I also found that it presses against my forehead a lot while it does not even touch my cheeks on the bottom if I wear it flat like this, (that was my first try). And I quickly changed my approach to adjust the angle of the unit so it cups my face evenly first and then move the back strap to the resulting position, in my case it would look on the side about a 20-30 degrees incline, and it feels really comfortable for me, and I don't feel front heavy because the strap is holding onto the upper back portion of my head.
“Rubbing a French fry on a piece of paper” is a definite first for me.
The thumbnail is a jump scare.
people have 3d printed custom bracket solution's for like 1$ or less. that allow you to use a 2nd knit band on top or your head, or attempt to fuse both the knit band with the default one. so you can get support more akin to the oculus halo strap. by putting the weight of it on top of your head instead of your face
45:10, I jumped from my seat while at work 😅
I noticed when letting a friend try my avp..we had to go through the eye tracking setup to get his eye tracking to work accurately..even though he had the same ipd as me.
This was a really good episode. Seeing Linus go apeshit on Apple while also pointing out what their strengths are during their biggest product launch since the iPhone is music to my ears.
26:20 but isnt it the same on windows? You could resize the task thingi (the little bar at the bottom) like in windows and move it to the side
Remember when the entire WAN show used to be less than this clip?
Pepperridge farm…
"I'm over it"
When I realize Linus's opinion can stop me from buying something stupid expensive
bad reviews are more popular on YT.
You can hide your dock on your mac to only show on mouse over More screen
16 y/o Linus guiding their friends first acid trip really badly 😂
Lmaoooo
I hate using full screen on my Mac, but if you want use more of your desktop space set your dock to auto hide. That gives you back that space.
To be fair the meta quest pro also didn't come with lense protection and only came with a front protector. But that one comes with a base and is less for travel i guess.
You can with a quest 3 and virtual desktop (both the quest version and steam version) have a theoretically infinite number of displays on windows if you use virtual display drivers or headless hdmi plugs.
I've been working from VR with this for the past week and the only thing that holds it back from being 100% better than actual monitors is resolution which should resolve itself next generation.
Afaik you can't have multiple desktops with virtual desktop. You can switch between them but only 1 showing at the same time. If there is a way around it please let me know, been using virtual desktop on quest 2 for years
Even the quest 2 and 3 are uncomfortable with stock straps. I wonder if there will be third party options that fix this issue like they did for the quests. Although I do agree it should be better for the price.
They needed front cover, because it laminated glass, that is super scratchy if you seen durability tests, lens are more durable
Interested to see if Apple or any third parties come out with a battery headband for balance and no cable.
The dual loop works pretty well. I can set it up so it hugs the back of my skull, so all of weight is off my face. The solo band looks cool, but it's pretty useless outside of demos, well, and it is kind of convenient to be able to hang the headset around your neck.
Linus needs to enable dock hiding on his Macbook, and maybe consider rectangle
Waiting for "LMG Clips Clips"
at 50:19 sorry Linus its pepsi.. it happened in the Philippines with their number fever 1M price where the winning number on the crowns are too many and they dont want to pay the price for the people..
Does this help with eyes crossing in the 50 cm range with laptop.. and then my eyes hurt.. Does this happens to vision pro? or you look parralel to the horizon?
I tried the vision pro, and it was impressive, I'm still not gonna rush to buy it, maybe if I have $3000 that I don't want to do literally anything else with, but I am prioritizing getting a Valve Index and killer gaming PC
i think 3rd party headstraps is the way to go for the AVP...just like the quest headsets
The Files app can connect to a SMB share, y'know. same as it can on iOS. Did you not even try that?
Yup I am interested in Version 2 it is way to early to jump in at the moment for that price
it would be cool if apple or someone made a battery pack that goes on the back of the headset. most of the issue with the strap is that it's very off balance and it's putting pressure on your face instead of your head. if they made a dual strap with a battery back in the back it would be much better, even though technically it's a lot more weight on your head
LOL, I always love the user hostility rants. Based facts.
The biggest selling point for this is definitely the multiple monitors for Mac. That makes the most sense.
FWIW, you need to have the headset strap at a 45 degree angle.
I paid $2500 for a 2001 F150 almost 5 years ago and it's been surprsingly reliable. It still just works and updates to newer models never affect mine...The truck just works.
How is it that app store isn't available in Canada yet. I guess you can make a US apple ID to get around it but then your other apple products need to use that ID as well which sucks for others that have you saved already.
It wasn't a US apple ID. It was a US bank account that he said he had to use. Granted a US apple ID is probably still part if that. It is mind boggling.
It hasnt been released in other countries yet. Only US due to supply, support, regulatory approval, etc…
When it is released in Canada, all these things will work. I keep trying to get Sky Sports to work in the US for F1 access but I can’t. Not their fault, they don’t offer it in the US. Same thing with the AVP.
nothing says clip like a hour long clip
Why didn't they balance the heavy front with putting the battery on the back and eliminating a cord? Uhhh...
Cause if the battery is attached like that it counts towards the weight of the device and the number will sound too big!
I have one. I can strap the battery to the back of my head for balance, but, not interested. Would rather have it in my pocket or off device.
Get people used to being tethered so when the glasses come, they can offload the battery and larger components to the pack.
I feel like a baby that sees their dad for the first time after they shaved
This guys just blatantly ignoring the existence of immersed and horizon workrooms is pretty upsetting. They answer pretty much all of the software issues they're having in productivity, specially the fact that it works on pc
Luke:- This is good enough to make me tempted to steal it from work.
VR is as close to Star Trek's Holodeck as we can get right now, and I've never thought, "Wow. The Holodeck would be amazing for helping me get work done."😂😂😂. AVP looks like the new Google Glass.
I said this on a different video but I would love to try the headset for 5 minutes to see how the eye tracking works and test the pass through and then go back to my screendoor ass quest to play vr games. Imo at the current moment if both were at the same price point I would choose the quest because I could play games which is actually usefull to me.
Ya, that's my feeling on it too. I have an index, and while I really wanna see the fancy new screens and lenses, I want to do that for 5 minutes and then put it away and use the device that can actually do the VR games that I want VR for.
Linus please grow that back as fast as possible
When Luke moved the band up towards the crown of his head and said it felt more comfortable (12:00), that's actually how Apple markets the Solo Band in all their materials. Plus it avoids the wire/audio band touching your ears. I think Apple should emphasize the correct placement in the packaging.
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He also stated that it didn't feel secure tho. What's the point of having correct placement if it slips off? lol
@@ForeverHobbit He said that he *felt* that it was secure not that it actually was--there's a distinction. Otherwise we would see it slip off.
@@CHIEF_420 🥱
1:03:19 that wrong the base storage config is 256gb not 128
"It feels like it will come off at any moment" - just like when you wear a set of swimming goggle properly.
new drinking game, every time luke says "scanned for my face" take a drink
I'll probably want to live from a car, but also work there in a few years for a couple months. Then the Vision Pro will be amazing.
I find it always weird when people suggest the Quest 3 as an alternative because "you can play games with that one" completely missing the point.
Ive had an Index for years and have had multiple very long sessions in VR and not had half the issues Luke, Linus and others have had with comfort... I get Apple is about style, but the headband distribute the weight across your whole head has been pretty much solved for years
First time I see a good conversation about all the cost. About how much R&D costs. You don’t see only how much it cost of production but it has all R&D … nowadays we got used of free operating system, but all the software costs a lot and its part of the product price.
55:37 Well... How did I get here?
1:03:05 the distant "what" killed me.
@58:36 one thing with proper luxury goods is they tend to hold their value if not appreciated, not so for tech. So yes my wife bought a $5k handbag, but that was 3 years ago, she just sold it for $9k, I doubt tech that cost that kind of money went up that much.
They look small on Luke...meaning he has a bigger head, which means Luke has a bigger brain, which means he's smarter than Linus...I wanna see Luke headbutt Linus.
So what does Apple care cover without a deductable then?
Deliberate damage? Warranty issues?
Looking at Louis Rossmann videos... not much.
Yes, the reason is very simple... it is probably a 3S pack!
USB can do 12v as well.
Hi 3-D printed adapters for my bobo m3 Pro adapter for my quest three and it is the best experience so comfy now.
2:59 I have long eyelashes too, especially annoying as I have to wear glasses. Not the easiest thing finding frames that don’t just get mucked up by my lashes.
Wait, so can we get timestamps guy on a WAN Clip?
Saw a review of a guy who compared the Vision Pro to the Displays Apple makes and compared to those; this is $1500 cheaper. And can be more than a display for a computer. I do wish it could do more than one display tho.
Same guy also showed how being able to lay in bed and be looking up at your screen while your laptop layed on your lap was a fun little combo.
You can HIDE the dock on your MacBook LINUS. A common trend with windows users annoyances about Mac is stuff that CAN easily be personalized.
90% of apple users don't even know that's an option and the hidden dock has it's own drawbacks.
@@deejnutz206890% of peope can’t right click and find the auto hide dock option? Hmm…
When the clip is longer than most podcasts
You should watch snazzy labs review. He does a good job of explaining the choices made based on the ifixit teardowns
I believe that AR/VR headsets won’t be a thing as long as bulk of processing will be done inside the headset. As long as headsets will require uncomfortable strap contraptions, VR headsets will stay in goon caves only. Props to apple not putting battery inside headset.
Agree with Linus. An actual use case might be to watch a movie on a plane. Completely need a travel case included.
That doesn't cost 200$.... absurd a case cost this much
I wanna get one of these things. But I have tattoos on my hand and every other hand tracking I’ve tried to use doesn’t work. Wonder if this will 🤔
Wow, that's a crazy edge case.
I can't take this man seriously. Can we get Linus back on the show?
What do you need multiple displays for can’t you just make it 100 inch screen and put whatever you want on it
25:56 you can hide and/or minimise the dock! How hard can it be?
Yeah, that was a weird take by Linus imho. Funnily enough that is what I hate about Windows, not having true full screen apps and the taskbar and app menu bar on top taking up too much space
@@PetrFlosman Made especially worse by the fact most screens are 16:9 so you have even less vertical space.
I still have no idea why they dont move alot of that weight to the back of the head. Screens and sensors at front and all your processing hardware at the rear of your head...but...apple