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This is awesome! I'm also wondering if you guys will teach people about guns or gun safety. That would make a great episode with y'all being based out of Texas and what not.
One thing I've learned from watching all these historical weapons episodes, is that Brian has exactly zero sense of where his body is in 3-D space at any given time.
Also he's got to be the easiest person to knock over or trip. His stance is so wide all the time. I think hes trying to copy where Anthony puts his feet but forgets that Anthony is much taller than him so has a wider stance.
1st: There was no weapon prohibition in Germany at the time of the Messer. 2nd: A Messer (-sword) is just a Falchion with a different grip (see Elmslie Typology). 3rd: It is not 100% certain why this specific Falchion version was so prominent in the German lands, but it most likely has to do with guild law (this is kinda in the video). A knife maker was not allowed to make a sword but was absolutely allowed to make a knife of any size. This is where the German love for taking things exactly as is written down comes into play as a knife was defined in a certain way that allowed Messer (-swords) to be classified as knifes by guild law. 4th: There are historical Messer still in existance with blades forged by the renown Solingen sword smith works which implies that this was not actually a dispute between the sword smith and knife maker guilds but rather a cooperation (at least at some point).
Needs more of Anna and Anthony going at it full-speed. Also I'd like to see a video on proper saber fencing (as opposed to modern sport sabre fencing, which is entirely different). Cavalry style, you'd have to find a different expert and pay insurance on the horse. Maybe German Mensur academic fencing, where all the WWI and WWII German guys got the cool dueling scars? ... basically just two guys with three-foot razors (only the farthest 8" or so is sharp) standing at arm's length+half a sword length and it ends when somebody bleeds -- there's no competitive element, you just prove how badass you are by not flinching even if you get tagged.
@@MrSqu1nty That's the joke, yes. And those that only just got touched would rub horsehair into the wound to make a more badass scar. And it's still a thing that German frats do, even though the schools don't want any part of it.
When two high level fighters fight each other, it does not look much different from the modern olympic fencing. It gets more interesting when a very experienced person fights an unexperienced one and decides to play with him a little bit.
I think part of it is that Brian as a magician naturally has to break things down into small parts from years of doing magic. Where as Jason can look at the larger picture and follow the basics and refine later. That or Jason is just a talented fighter and Brian isn't
Anna is a really good teacher. She is very good at simplifying steps and relating them to everyday things without making her students feel like idiots. You can also see her get genuinely happy when they start clicking with the instruction. Great vid.
I'm actually surprised Jason and Brian remember fighting techniques taught to them hundreds of videos and several years ago. They must get a lot of practice
@@simoneriksson8329 they cut out the part where Brian and Jason say "wait, did we do a video on this?" and then Ana and Anthony have to retrain them on the technique
When Jason took his hoodie off and had their shirt I was expecting a reveal that he had actually been taking lessons for months now and is an expert in melee combat
Just getting started with HEMA, and this was my entry point from a keen historical interest in the period. It was great to see you guys get to grips with it!
he's an educated man, but he's wrong, swords were not outlawed, they were mandatory at the time in most states of Germany. It is called a knife because of construction and the makers being knife makers. In fact, there was such a hullabaloo about it, that when the sword makers sued the knife makers, the knife makers conceded to exclusively use metal sourced from the sword guilds so as they would both turn a profit.
@@eldorados_lost_searcher not sure about a source on the knife-maker vs sword-maker case but historical evidence found in messers from that time period make that case likely; many of them have blades made in Italy but grips and finishings manufactured by German craftsmen. As for the laws regarding owning weapons, yes, in nearly every German city all citizens were legally required to own at least one weapon, usually a sword. I used *The Martial Ethic In Early Modern Germany* by Ann Tluster for reference.
If I had to guess, Jason has spent a good amount of time in either dance classes, martial arts, sports or gymnastics. His body awareness is brilliant. Hey Jason, I know you sometimes surf through comments, am I on point?
I was just re-watching all of the historical weapons videos today. I interrupted the dagger video when I got the notification for this video. I am so hyped
Oof, don't show this to shad of shadiversity. The reason it was called a knife is because back then it was taboo for one guild to build something another guild was supposed to build. Basically like it is now. Trade unions always gotta be tryna keep from stepping on each other's toes and such
😂 Shad would just probably point at the video of him explaining it (while making an annoyed face 😃). Don't think he would go berserk, after all the point of this vid wasn't the history but rather the fighting techniques.
They are completely right though, swords by european law were defined as double edged, specific lengths, thickness and a counterweight pommel, smart farmers were then:"Look! Its Just under the allowed length, single edge and doens't have a pommel! (disregard the steel bottom hand hook, tahts not a pommel, promise!)"
@@AYellowPepper people could carry swords it was not restricted to just the nobility. Think of swords like cars you can buy a honda civic quality sword or a ferrari quality sword. They were decently affordable (messers were as well, and were also popluar) messers also tend to have sharpened false edges rherefore your swords being defined as double edged is slightly incorrect.
Ya bro shad took it out of context despite Matt Easton’s demonstrations. In German law during certain time periods the law/ guild rules were as stated in this video. Gross messer means big knife. It’s self explanatory. High tec through tangs were swords.
This is made even better by the fact that in parts of Texas (because of course) its actually legal to carry a sword. Which means you could take H.E.M.A., carry a sword (or Messer), and actually know how to use it if needed XD
Great video! I've tried to teach classes in messer before, and it did not turn out nearly as well (I was teaching from Paurenfeyndt). Next time, I'll probably just stick to Leckuchner. Only criticism I personally have (since I'm not a Meyerist, I don't know anything about the specific technique) is that I don't agree with the theory that the messer existed just to skirt laws. I appreciate that you described it as just one theory among many, though. Edit: I forgot this channel belongs to the students, not the teachers.
"This is the, I'm tired and reaching for the mostly empty bag of cheetos from my recliner maneuver" "This is the, I'm annoyed by the commercial on TV, but i can't find the remote, so i am pressing my head into the cushion to try to quiet the sound maneuver" "This is the, I dripped some sauce on my shirt maneuver" "This is the, I drank too much and I'm trying to grab my beer but I keep missing maneuver" "This is the, I think the dog poo'd in the house and I'm signaling for someone else to take care of it maneuver".
I love the Talhoffer Messer plate/s where one guy gets his sword hand chopped off and the next scene is him reaching for his hand with sword on the ground while the other dude just cuts into his head.
Bring in Bram Frank for some knife work! The dude and Miss Sonya are astounding. Blade classes are awesome, you can never get enough....... #1 rule of blade fighting, you ARE going to get cut (if it's for real)
Pretty much sums it up! Used to teach "Surviving Edged Weapons" to law enforcement back in the stone ages. Sometimes the noobs even surprised us instructors! heh heh heh
You are in Texas surroundedby land and resources. The country is going tits up in terms of supply chains, and this channel is fairly large. I think today's rogue would know how to live off the land, how to hunt, how to survive. How to start a fire with just the tools on his hip. Dave Canterbury, Corporal's Corner(Corporal Shawn Kelly), Gray Bearded Green Beret (Joshua Enyart) and of course good ole Coalcracker Bushcraft. All of those I think would be simply amazing crossovers for this channel. You're in the perfect area for it, and it would teach a large audience some basic survival skills. In an emergency situation I'd love to be able to take the tools in my trunk, very minor preparation, and be safe and even fairly comfortable no matter the weather or situation, all because I can survive in the bush. That'd be an ideal way for a Rogue to survive literally anywhere
The theory about right to carry a sword in cities is most certainly incorrect. In almost all (but 3-4 if I recall correctly) cities in germany, people of all classes were allowed to have and carry a sword. In certain parts of germany, peasents were actually encouraged to have weapons due to the concept of "Wehrhafte Bevölkerung" which means that the people were supposed to be armed and ready to defend the city. They even hat a Waffenschau (weapon inspection if translated losely) once in a while where peasents and citizens were visited and had to show their weaponry. It's actually documented. Nuernberg for instance was one of those cities. The "freie Reichsstadt Nürnberg". This was a bit the equivalent to England where people were required to train achery. They also were supposed to know how to shoot a bow in case of war. There are other theories however. A: It was a copyright thing. Only sword makers were allowed to make swords. That's why they were part of a guild. Knifemakers tried to get around this by inventing the Messer. This theory isn't proven either ofc. B: It was a fashion thing. It's possible and wouldn't be a first timer. But that's also only speculation.
Exactly right! People weren't stupid then, so saying your "sword but without pommel" isnt actually a sword but a knife wouldn't fly. Also, there are sources of laws in other cities forbidding the carrying of blades, swords and knives above a certain length.
It was most likely either a guild thing or a price thing Being like messers might have been cheaper because of the less complicated construction due to the usual lack of a pommel and the full tang and the lack of a back edge and sometimes even the lack of a fuller
why isn't this a more common thing honestly though. Like, for a second, imagine your a criminal and you want to rob a bank, in our current world, that's dangerous but overall possible, now imagine every person in that bank not only CAN, but is ENCOURAGED to have a glock, and some enthusiasts may even be packing some more heat than that. Sure, maybe most of them won't shoot, but bravery and stupidity share a fine line; in any given room there's always going to be at least a few idiots, and only one has to hit.
Since you've guys been doing a lot of HEMA stuff these past few years, would you also consider the other side of the globe? Would love to see you try some Kendo.
@@velazquezarmouries why not both iaido and kendo? Perhaps even sprinkle in some kenjutsu, kyudo, jukendo, jodo etc? There are many aspects of budo that'd be interesting to see on this channel, and kendo is a legitimate budo, even if often more "sporty" than the others.
btw some corrections on german terminology (from a native german): 5:08 they are called "Langmesser" the mistake comes from the sentences like "so kämpft man mit dem langen Messer" which translates to "this is how you fight with the long knife" its because of grammar... i speak nearly gramatically perfect german but i have no clue how to describe the rules... its nitpicking, but "das Langmesser" belongs to the group "der langen Messer" because it is long. every "Langmesser" is a "langes Messer" but not every "langes Messer" is a "Langmesser".
Shwood coming to a realization that Jason is more warrior than him. The fear in his eyes. Note the date, this is where the power shifts. Lol, great episode. Love watching you guys try things.
Dang I was expecting them to go into some of the earlier messer sources maybe not Lecküchner but Glasgow or even Talhoffer. I feel like the messer/düssack of Paulus Hector Mair and Joachim Meyer are far enough removed as to be their own separate field of study. If we're sticking to the 16th century Andre Paurñfeyndt's pieces on the messer are great as well. It's still an enjoyable video though!
I like how Anna really makes examples of why you don't want to do certain things. Really easy to see why when you see her disarm her opponent in the middle of explaining what she's doing
Shadiversity talked about the real reason messers and gross messers were used, it didn't have to do with legality. The knifemakers would just sell knife handles to the swordmakers and it was economically convenient.
Another theory for why the Messer came about was that the sword guild was only allowed to make swords, but the Knife guild wanted in so they made really big knives, to not break sny guild rules.
4:30 Nagel (german) =nail (english) 4:55 i think it is very unlikely because in 1840 we were only approximately1.66 m tall so i dont know if that large of a body would have been usefull because of food and other influences 5:07 Lang Messer /langes Messer (german) just info no hard feelings you guys are great
@@matthewpham9525 He also believes Native Americans are Jews that somehow got from Israel to the New World (core tennet of Mormonism). So yeah, take everything he says with a grain of salt
They really messercred the history portion on this one... joking aside. Evidence doesnt support the "sidestepping the stupid law" legend... after all, a well regulated militia was just as important then as it is now
Agreed, Shad made a video (or was it 2, not sure) about the history of the messer and how it came about, basically it boils down to guilds, the messers were finished and sold by knife maker guilds and that's about it, nothing as fancy as avoiding the law.
The argument I heard against the legal bit was that the states in which they lived were not nearly as governed by the exact words of a law as we are now, arguing details of your 3 foot crossguarded knife isnt going to do much good if the authorities and just go "but its obviously a sword" and lock you up anyway. I dont know that its not a distortion, I simply dont have time to prioritize studying their legal system but it seems equally plausible as the classic explanation
@@Vote4Drizzt I mean people weren’t any more stupid back then than they are now, so yeah I believe the guards would have been intelligent enough to be like “yeah ok, and my Lucerne is a carpenter’s hammer.” If I’m not mistaken, the laws were indeed based on blade-length and not manufacturing methods. The book *The Martial Ethics in Early Modern Germany* discusses it at length.
Not saying that no lords tried to disarm the peasantry through legislation, but I think the legal designation for a messer had more to do with its manufacture. The handle of the messer is more akin to a knife (tang riveted between the two pieces of the handle) and was made that way by messerschmitts, aka knife smiths. They may have built them that way to skirt regulations preventing them from competing with the various sword makers' guilds, as swords' tangs typically are surrounded by the grip and peened at the end. However, in a time of crisis such as an impending siege, I imagine no one would bat an eye over something like that. So they were made to get around the law, but it was more skirting proprietary manufacture methods than snubbing open carry prohibitions.
I enjoy watching these for a few reasons. 1. I enjoy seeing Brian be a bumbling idiot at somethings (No offense) 2. I also enjoy Murphy be halfway decent at something and not wing things like when in the lab 3. It's really nice to see even though Brian is sometimes an idiot and not listening to instructions or just simply forgets that the instructors don't get frustrated and walk him through it again
Funny thing that whole theory on swords being illegal thing is bull. In "Germany" at the time (it was the holy Roman empire at the time) in all but two city-states it was perfectly legal to carry a sword. In many it was *required*. And in the two places where it was illegal it was based on sword length, not construction. "Cool knife, still illegal to carry".
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does the Austin Historical Weapons guild have Sabres?
This is awesome! I'm also wondering if you guys will teach people about guns or gun safety. That would make a great episode with y'all being based out of Texas and what not.
I finally cought an episode on a no work night and the video just went up the same night. I feel like this was a great day.
Fun stuff! Great video, y'all!
One thing I've learned from watching all these historical weapons episodes, is that Brian has exactly zero sense of where his body is in 3-D space at any given time.
At 23:48 Brian did basically impale himself on Jason's messer because of that.
Also he's got to be the easiest person to knock over or trip. His stance is so wide all the time. I think hes trying to copy where Anthony puts his feet but forgets that Anthony is much taller than him so has a wider stance.
Which is bizarre if you think about it. He's a magician.
proprioception is a dump stat for wizards
@@MisterTingles underrated comment
“Why does this exist?”
“To skirt ridiculous laws!”
Ah, the braced pistol of its day.
Fellow man of class I see? I take it you're a supporter of the constitution?
Police man: sir this is just a AR with a slightly shorter barrel
@@uglybastard6614
If its 16.1 inches you're fine, if it's 15.9 JAIL FOR YOU
The only valid weapon law is that it's illegal to use a weapon to commit a crime.
@@Sheridantank how the hell did someone think it would be ok to classify a stubby rifle as a pistol?
Ah, finally! The mullet has returned to the dark depths from whence it came!
I guess the "party in the back" was a tactically insecure position.
Literally immediately started searching the comments for this so I could like it
Now if only Murphy gets whatever the hell he has going on hahaha
I quite liked the mullet
It could also just be released out of order.....
1st: There was no weapon prohibition in Germany at the time of the Messer.
2nd: A Messer (-sword) is just a Falchion with a different grip (see Elmslie Typology).
3rd: It is not 100% certain why this specific Falchion version was so prominent in the German lands, but it most likely has to do with guild law (this is kinda in the video). A knife maker was not allowed to make a sword but was absolutely allowed to make a knife of any size. This is where the German love for taking things exactly as is written down comes into play as a knife was defined in a certain way that allowed Messer (-swords) to be classified as knifes by guild law.
4th: There are historical Messer still in existance with blades forged by the renown Solingen sword smith works which implies that this was not actually a dispute between the sword smith and knife maker guilds but rather a cooperation (at least at some point).
I scrolled to find this very comment. Thank you.
Needs more of Anna and Anthony going at it full-speed. Also I'd like to see a video on proper saber fencing (as opposed to modern sport sabre fencing, which is entirely different). Cavalry style, you'd have to find a different expert and pay insurance on the horse. Maybe German Mensur academic fencing, where all the WWI and WWII German guys got the cool dueling scars? ... basically just two guys with three-foot razors (only the farthest 8" or so is sharp) standing at arm's length+half a sword length and it ends when somebody bleeds -- there's no competitive element, you just prove how badass you are by not flinching even if you get tagged.
Dude, they got more than tagged. Some ended up with a wider grin than standard.
@@MrSqu1nty That's the joke, yes. And those that only just got touched would rub horsehair into the wound to make a more badass scar. And it's still a thing that German frats do, even though the schools don't want any part of it.
@@DeliveryMcGee dude, slow down, that wasn't an attack.
When two high level fighters fight each other, it does not look much different from the modern olympic fencing. It gets more interesting when a very experienced person fights an unexperienced one and decides to play with him a little bit.
@@DeliveryMcGee Schools dont anything to do with it because a lot of these frats haven really... moved on since their ww2 days
It's fascinating how much quicker Jason picks the swordplay up. Meanwhile, Bryan has a childlike wonder. It's fascinating to watch both of you.
I think part of it is that Brian as a magician naturally has to break things down into small parts from years of doing magic. Where as Jason can look at the larger picture and follow the basics and refine later.
That or Jason is just a talented fighter and Brian isn't
Anna is a really good teacher. She is very good at simplifying steps and relating them to everyday things without making her students feel like idiots. You can also see her get genuinely happy when they start clicking with the instruction. Great vid.
Yes! I love messers. They are like sabres crossed with Bowie knives.
The name Messer litterly translates to "Knife"
Someone watched the first two minutes...
I agree, I always saw it as a "best of both worlds" type thing that actually didn't stink.
Messer are just old timey California "pistols"
yep, that's why my advanced sword manual was on Messer
I own a messer. The 3rd bar or "nail" on the guard is amazingly useful.
That's why i like them, I love having fingers.
For, you know, cutting pigs and such. On the farm. It's just a knife.
Thats a good knife lol
Man she takes slices at Austin architecture too, ruthless.
I'm actually surprised Jason and Brian remember fighting techniques taught to them hundreds of videos and several years ago. They must get a lot of practice
Or perhaps they looked through their own videos to remind them before going back to the HEMA-school? 😊
@@simoneriksson8329 they cut out the part where Brian and Jason say "wait, did we do a video on this?" and then Ana and Anthony have to retrain them on the technique
If you can remember what happened in their fight training videos, I'm sure they can remember the hours of practicing it that day haha
@@hughjass1976 Who says he did remember what happened in those videos?
@@h4724-q6j I'm guessing he does, as I did
As a fan since very early scam school, this is the least tramatic Brushwood hair style I have experienced.
Glad the poney tail is gone
When Jason took his hoodie off and had their shirt I was expecting a reveal that he had actually been taking lessons for months now and is an expert in melee combat
Just getting started with HEMA, and this was my entry point from a keen historical interest in the period. It was great to see you guys get to grips with it!
“This is not a sword it’s a knife” “now I’m gonna turn my sword and recover “ x3
"And bad things start to happen" literally could be the Rogue motto 🤣🤣🤣
And Anthony looked TERRIFIED when gave she gave him a new breathing hole!
I love that I know I'm actually learning from these when I can call out Bryan's mistakes before someone in the video does.
I just realized the name Messerschmitt is german for "knife maker" or "knife blacksmith"
*Knife Smith
A Blacksmith and a Knife Smith are two different things.
i love how you can see the wheels in Jason's head turning at 7:05
he's an educated man, but he's wrong, swords were not outlawed, they were mandatory at the time in most states of Germany. It is called a knife because of construction and the makers being knife makers. In fact, there was such a hullabaloo about it, that when the sword makers sued the knife makers, the knife makers conceded to exclusively use metal sourced from the sword guilds so as they would both turn a profit.
Didn't know about the suit and settlement. Thank you.
Do you have a source you can recommend?
@@eldorados_lost_searcher not sure about a source on the knife-maker vs sword-maker case but historical evidence found in messers from that time period make that case likely; many of them have blades made in Italy but grips and finishings manufactured by German craftsmen.
As for the laws regarding owning weapons, yes, in nearly every German city all citizens were legally required to own at least one weapon, usually a sword. I used *The Martial Ethic In Early Modern Germany* by Ann Tluster for reference.
@@zachmercer1065
Thank you!
"Here they fight with messers. May God remember them." --Hans Talhoffer.
Y'all have so much fun during these. I can't help but have a good time too
Big thanks for the previous videos cause I've been training online with them for quite a while now and I'm having a blast
If I had to guess, Jason has spent a good amount of time in either dance classes, martial arts, sports or gymnastics. His body awareness is brilliant. Hey Jason, I know you sometimes surf through comments, am I on point?
You got a like from me for Jason’s joke about Messered your pants
6:41 His look of surprised and followup look of "why would you do this", gold
"Well sure, bend your arm. :D"
I died. Just that MOMENT is so funny. Best teachers.
26:06- Also known as the "Threepwood" school of fighting.
You fight like a dairy farmer!
@@slothsong080 HOW appropriate... you fight like a cow
Haha, I always think "Guybrush Threepwood" when I hear "Brian Brushwood".
"they're always tight!" 🤣🤣🤣
19:59 He sounds like his opponent got behind him and stabbed him in the back
I was just re-watching all of the historical weapons videos today. I interrupted the dagger video when I got the notification for this video. I am so hyped
Y’all should test out DIY stick and poke tattoos🩸
You ever seen a tattoo gun made from a CD player?
@@Sheridantank naw but I’ll look into it
Remember what another wise man once said: "There is no difference between good Flan and bad Flan."
Oof, don't show this to shad of shadiversity. The reason it was called a knife is because back then it was taboo for one guild to build something another guild was supposed to build. Basically like it is now. Trade unions always gotta be tryna keep from stepping on each other's toes and such
😂 Shad would just probably point at the video of him explaining it (while making an annoyed face 😃). Don't think he would go berserk, after all the point of this vid wasn't the history but rather the fighting techniques.
They are completely right though, swords by european law were defined as double edged, specific lengths, thickness and a counterweight pommel, smart farmers were then:"Look! Its Just under the allowed length, single edge and doens't have a pommel! (disregard the steel bottom hand hook, tahts not a pommel, promise!)"
@@AYellowPepper people could carry swords it was not restricted to just the nobility. Think of swords like cars you can buy a honda civic quality sword or a ferrari quality sword. They were decently affordable (messers were as well, and were also popluar) messers also tend to have sharpened false edges rherefore your swords being defined as double edged is slightly incorrect.
@@AYellowPepper they absolutely aren't. Watch Scholagladiatoria channel.
Shad made a video explaining the "knife" myth and the laws. THEY ARE SWORDS.
Just a friendly reminder that Shad is just a fiction writer ;)
Did i just read a shadiversity comment on a MR video?
@@joost1120 i mean thats pretty rude but this is The Historical Weapons Guild so
Ya bro shad took it out of context despite Matt Easton’s demonstrations. In German law during certain time periods the law/ guild rules were as stated in this video. Gross messer means big knife. It’s self explanatory. High tec through tangs were swords.
@@joost1120 No he is not only that.
Also why would that be a bad thing? Nothing can keep people from doing proper cientifical research now at days.
I’d like to see a “Knife in a gunfight” video. The mythbusters take on it was great, but I’ll be damned if the MR team can’t do it better.
Truth
Sword and gun, in accord?
BAYONET FIIIGGHHHTTTT!
This is made even better by the fact that in parts of Texas (because of course) its actually legal to carry a sword. Which means you could take H.E.M.A., carry a sword (or Messer), and actually know how to use it if needed XD
In my state, Maine, it is only legal to carry a sword if you wear it openly.
Love these episodes
I think this is my favorite weapon/style so far.
Great video! I've tried to teach classes in messer before, and it did not turn out nearly as well (I was teaching from Paurenfeyndt). Next time, I'll probably just stick to Leckuchner.
Only criticism I personally have (since I'm not a Meyerist, I don't know anything about the specific technique) is that I don't agree with the theory that the messer existed just to skirt laws. I appreciate that you described it as just one theory among many, though.
Edit: I forgot this channel belongs to the students, not the teachers.
"This is the, I'm tired and reaching for the mostly empty bag of cheetos from my recliner maneuver"
"This is the, I'm annoyed by the commercial on TV, but i can't find the remote, so i am pressing my head into the cushion to try to quiet the sound maneuver"
"This is the, I dripped some sauce on my shirt maneuver"
"This is the, I drank too much and I'm trying to grab my beer but I keep missing maneuver"
"This is the, I think the dog poo'd in the house and I'm signaling for someone else to take care of it maneuver".
I love the Talhoffer Messer plate/s where one guy gets his sword hand chopped off and the next scene is him reaching for his hand with sword on the ground while the other dude just cuts into his head.
25:10 Oh man, Anthony is rocking an Aureus. Good sword, dude!
Bring in Bram Frank for some knife work! The dude and Miss Sonya are astounding. Blade classes are awesome, you can never get enough....... #1 rule of blade fighting, you ARE going to get cut (if it's for real)
The only difference between the winner and loser in a knife fight is whether you bleed out at the fight or on the way to the hospital.
Pretty much sums it up! Used to teach "Surviving Edged Weapons" to law enforcement back in the stone ages. Sometimes the noobs even surprised us instructors! heh heh heh
You are in Texas surroundedby land and resources. The country is going tits up in terms of supply chains, and this channel is fairly large. I think today's rogue would know how to live off the land, how to hunt, how to survive. How to start a fire with just the tools on his hip.
Dave Canterbury, Corporal's Corner(Corporal Shawn Kelly), Gray Bearded Green Beret (Joshua Enyart) and of course good ole Coalcracker Bushcraft. All of those I think would be simply amazing crossovers for this channel. You're in the perfect area for it, and it would teach a large audience some basic survival skills.
In an emergency situation I'd love to be able to take the tools in my trunk, very minor preparation, and be safe and even fairly comfortable no matter the weather or situation, all because I can survive in the bush. That'd be an ideal way for a Rogue to survive literally anywhere
Considering how much they teach us about starting fires and cooking meat, somewhere along the line we gotta learn how kill it first, so yeah.
The theory about right to carry a sword in cities is most certainly incorrect. In almost all (but 3-4 if I recall correctly) cities in germany, people of all classes were allowed to have and carry a sword. In certain parts of germany, peasents were actually encouraged to have weapons due to the concept of "Wehrhafte Bevölkerung" which means that the people were supposed to be armed and ready to defend the city. They even hat a Waffenschau (weapon inspection if translated losely) once in a while where peasents and citizens were visited and had to show their weaponry. It's actually documented. Nuernberg for instance was one of those cities. The "freie Reichsstadt Nürnberg".
This was a bit the equivalent to England where people were required to train achery. They also were supposed to know how to shoot a bow in case of war.
There are other theories however.
A: It was a copyright thing. Only sword makers were allowed to make swords. That's why they were part of a guild. Knifemakers tried to get around this by inventing the Messer.
This theory isn't proven either ofc.
B: It was a fashion thing. It's possible and wouldn't be a first timer. But that's also only speculation.
Exactly right! People weren't stupid then, so saying your "sword but without pommel" isnt actually a sword but a knife wouldn't fly. Also, there are sources of laws in other cities forbidding the carrying of blades, swords and knives above a certain length.
It was most likely either a guild thing or a price thing
Being like messers might have been cheaper because of the less complicated construction due to the usual lack of a pommel and the full tang and the lack of a back edge and sometimes even the lack of a fuller
why isn't this a more common thing honestly though. Like, for a second, imagine your a criminal and you want to rob a bank, in our current world, that's dangerous but overall possible, now imagine every person in that bank not only CAN, but is ENCOURAGED to have a glock, and some enthusiasts may even be packing some more heat than that. Sure, maybe most of them won't shoot, but bravery and stupidity share a fine line; in any given room there's always going to be at least a few idiots, and only one has to hit.
Since you've guys been doing a lot of HEMA stuff these past few years, would you also consider the other side of the globe? Would love to see you try some Kendo.
I would say iaido or battodō because kendo is too much of a sport
@@velazquezarmouries why not both iaido and kendo? Perhaps even sprinkle in some kenjutsu, kyudo, jukendo, jodo etc? There are many aspects of budo that'd be interesting to see on this channel, and kendo is a legitimate budo, even if often more "sporty" than the others.
@@paulatreides3214 i would prefer kenjutsu iaido battodō or even atarashi naginata or sōjutsu
15:14 ah yes, my favorite line from 13 Reasons Why.
Not gonna lie, Anna's yoga pants/leggings were kinda distracting
she was very THICC
@@kori228 I don't remember ordering this milkshake but thanks!
Thank you Rogues and AHWG! ⚔️❤️👍
I am so proud of the Rogues are learning all the sword fighting. :) And sharing to interested people
Lmao the schedule in the background, we go from
Mon: Longsword
to
Sun: Ballet and Jazz
Sounds like my kinda place
btw some corrections on german terminology (from a native german):
5:08 they are called "Langmesser" the mistake comes from the sentences like "so kämpft man mit dem langen Messer" which translates to "this is how you fight with the long knife"
its because of grammar... i speak nearly gramatically perfect german but i have no clue how to describe the rules...
its nitpicking, but "das Langmesser" belongs to the group "der langen Messer" because it is long. every "Langmesser" is a "langes Messer" but not every "langes Messer" is a "Langmesser".
do not insult my cows, I fight soggy butt style!
Through watching these videos I’ve learned skills that probably put me on the FBI watch list😂
"Messer is not a sword."
*Kriegsmesser:* "Am I a joke to you?"
Shwood coming to a realization that Jason is more warrior than him. The fear in his eyes.
Note the date, this is where the power shifts.
Lol, great episode. Love watching you guys try things.
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I'm a simple man. I see the rouges and blades and i click.
Some boxing and MMA training would be a great video and learning basic body mechanics translates well into weapons use.
Y'all should do a video about rapier and dagger or sword and dagger
despite several episodes of HEMA, Brian still has the coordination of a pregnant giraffe
You boys gonna add axe combat to the list too?
After 5:42 "I'd have two nickels which isn't much, but it's weird that it happened twice"
Much love to Austin historical weapons group y’all are awesome as is the modern rogue crew.
Dang I was expecting them to go into some of the earlier messer sources maybe not Lecküchner but Glasgow or even Talhoffer. I feel like the messer/düssack of Paulus Hector Mair and Joachim Meyer are far enough removed as to be their own separate field of study. If we're sticking to the 16th century Andre Paurñfeyndt's pieces on the messer are great as well. It's still an enjoyable video though!
I like how Anna really makes examples of why you don't want to do certain things. Really easy to see why when you see her disarm her opponent in the middle of explaining what she's doing
Short Sword- Banned
Long Knife- Fit for every citizen.
"Okay well I know you're trying to kill me but I your form wasn't very good"
*proceeds to teach you how to use your weapon correctly and well*
Shes such a great teacher. All the vocal visuals were perfect. Downtown Austin reference...mint
2:14 is my favorite thing of all time.
Ahoy there matey, I think the rouges should learn to sail.
7:31 "So we're up here, my SWORD is not tipped back"
- I thought the whole point was that this isn't a sword, it's a knife?
do polish saber next thats always fun
Shadiversity talked about the real reason messers and gross messers were used, it didn't have to do with legality. The knifemakers would just sell knife handles to the swordmakers and it was economically convenient.
The person that invented the messer: "Ye Olde Loophole, BITCH"
we need more Anthony!
Another theory for why the Messer came about was that the sword guild was only allowed to make swords, but the Knife guild wanted in so they made really big knives, to not break sny guild rules.
I love how swordsmanship comes so easy to you man
Mornin'
Love the vids
You guys should do a home Defence video
4:30 Nagel (german) =nail (english) 4:55 i think it is very unlikely because in 1840 we were only approximately1.66 m tall so i dont know if that large of a body would have been usefull because of food and other influences 5:07 Lang Messer /langes Messer (german) just info no hard feelings you guys are great
I am so happy to see the guys back doing hema again, also its almost been a year?!?
Great video! Reminds me of a lot of the type of techniques I learned from escrima. Love the messer!
If it actually ever comes to blows between Brian and Jason, my money's on Jason.
That whole thing about illegal swords has been debunked awhile ago. Shadiversity covers something like this on his channel.
Shad’s a larping fiction writer with zero authority lol, I’d take everything he says with a grain of salt.
@@matthewpham9525 He also believes Native Americans are Jews that somehow got from Israel to the New World (core tennet of Mormonism). So yeah, take everything he says with a grain of salt
They really messercred the history portion on this one... joking aside. Evidence doesnt support the "sidestepping the stupid law" legend... after all, a well regulated militia was just as important then as it is now
Agreed, Shad made a video (or was it 2, not sure) about the history of the messer and how it came about, basically it boils down to guilds, the messers were finished and sold by knife maker guilds and that's about it, nothing as fancy as avoiding the law.
The argument I heard against the legal bit was that the states in which they lived were not nearly as governed by the exact words of a law as we are now, arguing details of your 3 foot crossguarded knife isnt going to do much good if the authorities and just go "but its obviously a sword" and lock you up anyway.
I dont know that its not a distortion, I simply dont have time to prioritize studying their legal system but it seems equally plausible as the classic explanation
@@Vote4Drizzt I mean people weren’t any more stupid back then than they are now, so yeah I believe the guards would have been intelligent enough to be like “yeah ok, and my Lucerne is a carpenter’s hammer.”
If I’m not mistaken, the laws were indeed based on blade-length and not manufacturing methods. The book *The Martial Ethics in Early Modern Germany* discusses it at length.
Not saying that no lords tried to disarm the peasantry through legislation, but I think the legal designation for a messer had more to do with its manufacture.
The handle of the messer is more akin to a knife (tang riveted between the two pieces of the handle) and was made that way by messerschmitts, aka knife smiths. They may have built them that way to skirt regulations preventing them from competing with the various sword makers' guilds, as swords' tangs typically are surrounded by the grip and peened at the end.
However, in a time of crisis such as an impending siege, I imagine no one would bat an eye over something like that.
So they were made to get around the law, but it was more skirting proprietary manufacture methods than snubbing open carry prohibitions.
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I enjoy watching these for a few reasons.
1. I enjoy seeing Brian be a bumbling idiot at somethings (No offense)
2. I also enjoy Murphy be halfway decent at something and not wing things like when in the lab
3. It's really nice to see even though Brian is sometimes an idiot and not listening to instructions or just simply forgets that the instructors don't get frustrated and walk him through it again
I'm sure this video would apply to Viking seaxes seeing as those were also really long knives but with reverse tanto tip.
I would absolutely love to see these guys do buhurt
As soon as I saw this, I knew I needed to click, cuz messers are awesome
Brian is soooo uncoordinated. It's hilarious. He's comprehending everything in his head, but he can't do the same with his body.
I wanna see you guys fight with those
Funny thing that whole theory on swords being illegal thing is bull.
In "Germany" at the time (it was the holy Roman empire at the time) in all but two city-states it was perfectly legal to carry a sword. In many it was *required*. And in the two places where it was illegal it was based on sword length, not construction. "Cool knife, still illegal to carry".
The swords are back!!!
i would equate the stance to "hovering over the bowl in a public toilet"...