What is Medieval War Wrestling?
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The original practitioner of ringen was a perplexing man named Sir Kayfabe. He would get dressed up as an oversized key fob and went by Mr. Key Fob, but when the ringside commentators mispronounced his name, he embraced it and refused to correct them.
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Can the bullets still be fired. I assume not but y'know
@@Suninrags are you serious
@@crowe6861 like I stated I assume not but I always have a shred of doubt just in case. Kinda dumb I know
@@Suninrags are you serious
@@BilalKhan-ng3ex I see a comment train Incoming
Don't let the puffy clothes fool you, Kyle is an absolute tank.
U N I T
Thanks Julian.
@@kyletoelle you making it to BRO this year?
@@HEMASimian Oh hell yeah.
@@HEMASimian Its a date, I'll sharpen my cold steel.
"I could totally see myself getting too excited and suddenly, Brian's dead"
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Just gonna take a moment to express my appreciation for the little text your team puts on screen whenever a currency or unit of measurement is mentioned. It's very helpful! Thank you for your time, whoever sits down and does that.
Yeah I love that so much about this channel
Brandt?
same though!!
I'm glad it helps, thanks!
I concur
''at the bar or on the street" this quote seemed odlly familliar... i feel i m back to school.
Back to school.... SCAM SCHOOL!
Ringenschool, the only school dedicated to wrestling at the bar or on the street.
"Medieval wrestling? How could they get hurt in this one!"
They trust each other and donβt panic even when theyβre doing weird shit. Couple that with an observant, competent teacher here and theyβre set. Backyard cooking with lye and sharp slippery stuff is way scarier.
"Ok, so SOME moves might SEEM like they're from 'professional wrestling,' or whatever, but I swear they're legit. Check out this cave painting of this bear getting totally wrecked by the People's Elbow. Sick."
cave painting of a guy suplexing a bear
You see the part where he grabs the top and middle ropes and swings around kicking the bear in the face with both legs? We call that the 619.
@@abonynge cave paintings.... of modern day russia
@@abonynge
Thank you for referencing one of the best wwe wrestlers of all time.
That parkour clip tickles me everytime
Seth Magallones
I forgot which clip you were talking about.
Never forgetting that anymore.
Jason is unusually well balanced, Its kind of unsettling.
He's a Ninja.
Have you even see him use Nunchucks?
@@knownas2017 no is there a video of it
@@joshd2013 Yeah, there is ...
@@knownas2017 excellent I'm gonna try find it
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Itβs pretty fascinating how similar all of this is to judo, when Iβm assuming that this martial art doesnβt really have any influence from judo. It goes to show that in martial arts, what works, works
I was thinking the same, It's very similar to the jiu jitsu training I've done. Like he said though, people have been grabbing hold and throwing each other since the stone age
Grappling is grappling. It's all about throws and rolling and grabbing. There's only so many ways you can do that.
The human body is the same, and those it follow the same rules. What distinguish it is mostly the context, as the instructor said, in this case you were probably wearing armor, which is the reason some things may look a little bit different.
I'm really fascinated by the overlap. Might have to pick up the research.
I wonder how different this becomes once armor is involved.
I love to see how wrestling is almost universal. I remember taking judo lessons and this is so similar (at least the basics).
You know it's actually good advice when it is consistent throughout all good martial arts.
Agree
Well, first thing you learn in judo is not to get your head on the ground, but always slap down after rolling onto your back. That not slapping the ground was very unsettling for me. And also the rolling, never roll over your head, could get injured.
@@noahluppe agree
@@noahluppe The slapping is so you don't post out and break something; grabbing the knees or crossing your chest works just as well (probably better for beginners, honestly). As for rolling over your head, you're not wrong, but if you practice like that it's less likely to be injurious in the future.
At this point, they have the skills to make a decent medieval war movie.
For sure better than standard Hollywood "historical" movie
Especially since their short and only have oval faces π . No modern day square jawlines in historical settings (because all people had back then were small oval/round faces, I donβt think square jawlines existed until the very late 20th century like does anyone know any fifties actors/actresses with square jawlines?)
This guy is a really good teacher in getting the fundamental points and conceptual ideas across. Too many instructors teach βmovesβ without focus on the preliminary setup and the scale comparison was a great analogy.
Thanks I appreciate it.
this is earthbending mentality right there "you don't go around, you go through it"
Toph is my favorite for a reason. Both have short legs and don't see well.
Yeah, earthbending is explicitly based on sumo wrestling among other things
The Boulder likes your thinking.
Hey, swiss citizen here.
This is still a sport that's very very well known in switzerland (welp since it's considered a national sport this shouldn't be much of a surprise), just that our version of "Ringen" is called "Schwingen". Every 3 years we still have tournaments all around switzerland to find out who the best "Schwinger" is or as we call them "SchwingerkΓΆnig" (kΓΆnig = king).
BI00dw0rk Those Schwingen tournaments are really fun to attend, from what I hear. Have you ever been to one?
lol swinger ecks dee lmao
Does the winner wear the Schwingerkrona?
How different are Schwingen and German Ringen?
In mountain regions of Austria, Southern Tyrol and Bavaria an unarmed art called Rangeln IS known.
I feel like Jason has a natural nack for this, if he started lessons I think heβd be pretty good in a fairly short time.
By the way Ringen still is the correct word for wrestling in german
Beat me to it...
But "geselliges" needs some pronunciation practice π
Mantani Mantaniri I was about to say the same thing..
@@solarsombrero227 1st thing I thought was how can someone teach something he can't even pronounce...
Because if the instructor is too lazy to get his shit right, why should I trust him with stuff that could actually hurt me...
Wait I thought it was kampf or something
Brian, I spotted why Jason had an easier time getting up during the roll practice than you. He kept his feet shoulder width apart while you kept bringing your feet together. If you decide to practice it again give it a try like that.
Spot on. Having such a wide and narrow stance threw his balance off for being thrown as well. I think a reminder and/or explanation of the 8 points of balance are in order.
inb4 Jason decides to throw down with a grizzly bear
i think he could beat the bear
@@sug8056 He is the bear.
The moment they are in position and instead of letting go to watch and just both moved in unison. That is squad goals.
Ohhhhhh,I was waiting for this. After the Staff, Langschwert, Dagger it was the next logical step xD
Next step: Harnischfechten!
@@Kremit_the_Forg YAAAAAASSSSSS!!!!!!
I want to see some saber work in there too.
this is video is more fun for me than other viewers as I am from Germany and actually had Ringen in PE for a couple weeks
Lol
I need to know where Jason gets his socks. I need to upgrade my sock game.
They need a sock sponsor
Hahahhaha!!!!! "It was Mortal Kombat ll, but....." Jason Murphy!!
This goes to show how effective these movements are, they all show up in judo and others
Only so many ways you can throw and grapple someone
Can't even count the reasons why this is medieval. "Keep the arms in or I could grab your fingers or pull your hair" like...
Just as with all of the martial arts episodes, fantastic instruction by the practitioners, fantastic camerawork, fantastic hosting
[1:00] "Welcome to the Modern Rogue, the show dedicated to medieval wrestling at the bars and on the streets!"
A nice little nod to the old Scam School openings.
There is also an Italian version of this. Fiore has it in his Medieval manual and calls it "Abrazare", and it includes guards against punches, kicks (and also employs them), and includes a lot of breaks and dislocations. One of the best schools for it is here in the UK, a HEMA group known as "The Exiles".
Is there ground defense too? Or was it basically in all of HEMA that once your on your back and on the ground your screwed? Because I heard that there is literally no ground fighting in HEMA and that the only ground techniques are pins
@@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov Depends how we define HEMA at this point.
In the Medieval manuscripts, I don't know of ground fighting methods, probably because the logic was, once that happens you're dead anyway (daggers, etc).
But if we consider some traditional wrestling arts as part of HEMA, then we can say there are ground fighting systems. Arts such as Catch-as-Can grappling, which is a traditional English grappling system, it focuses on standing game, but has ground fighting methods too.
@@Mr-Tibbster I heard there wasnβt any ground fighting or moves in even Pankration, the Ancient Greek unarmed fighting sport that was similar to MMA
@@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov Yeah I wouldn't know about Pankration too much in terms if it has ground fighting, though I know it has wrestling.
@@Mr-Tibbster there isnβt ground fighting in wrestling either, is there?
Can we get "The 'Shwood Abides" as a shirt?
These medievel and weapons episodes of yours are always my favourites!
Irish Collar & Elbow Wrestling, Ringen Wrestling and Judo are all very similar.
This guy is an outstanding teacher in that He wastes no words and explains things so well.
In Austria, Southern Tyrol and bavarian alpine region a local wrestling style ,Rangeln' exists, and in german part of Switzerland ,Schwingen'. As far as i know, both styles are more intended for civilian competition, not so much for selfdefence. If there is a connection to medieval Wrestling i don' t know, Ringen is basicly german umbrella word.
The possibility of a fart slip, in some of these moves is higher than the possibility of a reset on the injury counter!
That's actually a technique... but I couldn't have been the first.
Kyle needs his own youtube channel. I'd love to learn more about this but am from south Europe so I can't really start training with him. The techniques are awesome.
A Mutant Banana his dagger teaching is on Amazon Prime
1:36 so glad jason likes pantera
Dude
Everyone likes panterra
Some people more than others
I've been waiting for you guys to do a ringen video since you started HEMA stuff. Awesome!
12:23 Modern Rogue knife fighting episode coming soon I hope. I liked the dagger episode, but I highly doubt someone is going to pull a rondel on me in a bar fight.
Ice pick?
Oooh knife fighting would be brutal, it's basically "he who bleeds less wins."
Now I have a mission to find you and have a rondel duel in a bar,
@@TheRealAlpha2 or no real winner. Agreed, brutal.
You can't learn fighting from watching a youtube video anyway.
Congratulations on receiving the Golden UA-cam Play Button, I'm here from the pepper pellet gun video back in 2016 and you guys are still kicking ass.
I have a rogue's ring coming in the mail today. Pretty stoked about it.
same here
I've got a Rogue's Revenge on the way. Looking forward to that, too.
This has got to be my favorite channel on youtube. These guys are great hosts, the editing is amazing, and the videos cover very interesting topics of a broad spectrum.
I really like seeing these less famous martial arts
At 12:50 Jason's muscle memory kicked in from Ace's Jujitsu training.
How freaking Awesome is this I Love it I wish there were more things like this Like yes I Like self-defense and all that it is amazing But I am Fascinated by the History of it all
Fun facts. I work as a swim instructor(red cross cert and everything) the hand legged thing(where he says "if right handed, usually right legged") is something I see a lot of as well
16:43 Toph, is it you?
Well "ringen" is still very popular in switzerland but we call it "schwingen"
I enjoy how Brian just seems lighter than everyone else so is just being lifted and cradled when they try to flip him.
This is very similar to Judo.
Itβs amazing how universal wrestling principles are
I love how he didnβt even bat an eye when Jason made his joke attempt at taking him down. Kyle just calmly lower his hips and got ready to rock Jasonβs world.
This is like some weird alternate universe of judo, bizzare but cool.
Kind of, but more aggressive somehow.
@@yaboi-km2qn wouldn't say more aggressive just more raw and rudimentary
The body only moves certain ways so itβs no surprise that martial arts from different cultures would come up with some of the same techniques despite being so far apart on the map
In the show "Human weapon" they mention that Judo style throws would be used to get an opponent on the ground, where you could get other weapons, and you could kill your opponent. I'm not entirely sure how true that is, but considering how similar the idea is to this, I wouldn't be surprised if it was true
@@natekelly770 yeah Judo throws to solid ground like road and concrete can definately break some bones, furthermore in judo you get trained to submit and subdue via chokes, strangles and armbars.
I know will tell all my friends I'm learning German War Wrestling... Thank you guys!
As someone who practices HEMA a lot, I have enjoyed your videos on the subject (and others) very much. You guys keep things light but plenty informational and respectful.
"Ringen" is just the German word for classic wrestling, just without all the theater around it. Nearly every sports club here has a class for it :-)
Yes but, the ringen they are talking about IS time specific, the problem is that, since everyone was doing it they never settled for a name to it. In fact "war wrestling" at that time existed trought Europe in its entirety, and every culture had a different name for it....all of them roughly translate to wrestling, seems that it's easier to give it a generic name than dealing with having to wrap your head around every single name for every single school of it around an entire continent.
The old style of german style wrestling has ended in early 18th century, when the last manual was written. A lot of german traditions died for the reason of the terrible 30years war, and after this war French baroque culture came to Germany, so that upper class men no more liked activities which caused sweat.
I think this is my favorite "martial arts" related video from TMR. Love it!
So, I do more Italian Medieval Wrestling (Fiore dei Liberi's "Abrazare") and what I find interesting when put in conjunction with Ringen is just how much both are similar to other Wrestling/Grappling techniques from around the world and through time.
Recently I saw a video of a modern Wrestler and a Judoka sparring and I was surprised with how similar the techniques were to what I do, as well as what they've shown in this video. There will always be debates on which style is better, with even very strong and convincing evidence, but it's cool to know that a lot of them share similar techniques that are clearly effective.
Oh boy letβs see the reset counter tick down...
Wow, yβall made this fast! Anthony was out at the Texas Renaissance Festival last week!
AFAIK almost all episodes are pre-recorded
19:47 best throw of the vid lol
First comment: With that hair and beard, Brian is well on his way to becoming Obi-Wan (Ewan) Kenobi.
Second: Aha, I see the rogues are taking levels in fighter.
(D&D reference)
That's awesome how everyone is just smiling and having fun.
I love watching a good teacher teach something theyβre super passionate about.
I've been waiting for this! These Hema episodes have been fantastic for both entertainment and for instruction. Thanks for posting. JB
You can look at Mr Toelle and see he is an actual fighter. Powerful build and steady demeanor. Great instructor as well, I wish I lived near his school.
"you havent done this at all" "wait, really? thought i just did"
3:13 that is Gucci's entire business model LOL
As a fan of Pro Wrestling its fun to see how these moves are like ugly versions of pro wrestling moves due to pro wrestling being designed for spectacle and not for self defense. Pro Wrestling is such a different things being an art form but the roots of it will always be seen in little bits of different forms of competitive wrestling.
This is kinda cool to get the historical context. I grew up wrestling in high school, and so many of the fundamentals they talked about here are the same as what we learned. We tumble to gain spatial awareness of the body when put into an unpredictable state, and grappling is less about muscling your opponent, and more about getting them off balance.
i have to say you guys do an amazing job with making the promos entertaining enough that i watch the hole thing.
I wrestle in high school in America and I'm seeing a lot of the same moves but it's a lot different fundamentally
Different context
So when do we get to see Brian's luxuriant new hair in the old-style 'spiked' do?
So...medieval German judo?
There's waaaay more thought into this style of combat than one might think.
I love how smooth Jason is compared to how bouncy Brian is
Thoroughly enjoyable as well as inspiring to get a glimpse of Mediaeval European grappling grammar π, look to learn more often in depth!
10:40 "Vore is before."
is gambeson really warm? It looks as though it would keep you nice n toasty except on the exposed areas
Gambeson are really hot, you definitely lose a lot of water while wearing one.
i love how he just fixes his glasses at 22:37 XD
it looks so freaking anime it almost hurts.
I can never now unsee that...add that to my social anxieties.
I love how much Jason loves doing the warm ups
This is a style of jacket wrestling, meaning you can grab on to the opponent's shirt of jacket, very similar to judo the techniques demonstrated are: O-Soto Otoshi, Kuchiki Taoshi, and Sukui Nage
Sweet a video with two of my favorite people Anthony and Kyle!!!!
Tim, always good to hear from you!
Brian was all ready for jui jitsu with the gi top on
20:34 I don't know why, I just find the way Kyle says "yes" hilarious. Like he sounds like he's almost going "indeed" and that he's seriously going to enjoy doing it.
Jason Murphy, War Wrestler....badassness, I fully support this idea. **nods**
Apparently the Japanese secrets weren't so secret. Judo comes from JuJitsu, but this is the first of hearing about medieval wrestling being so similar. I'm truly intrigued and must know more!
Grappling is grappling, there's only so many ways to wrestle a person
wwe?
@@user-vm9we7fs4d WWF!
Y'all didn't tell me LGR could do Judo
It's the only way he can get rid of the Christmas clone.
Falling safely, probably the most important thing i learnt in karate.
You are in my favourite part of history. Emperor Maximillian was like Vince Machon. He was a showman and had commissioned exploding shields for jousting and other crazy stuff so when the losing knight got hit it would be akin to a robot explosion.
I love this
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I love the look of shock on Brian's face once Jason dumps him on the floor haha. Good content!
I saw Ringen written on the board in the filtration episode, and I've been waiting for this ever since
So here's an idea. Lightsaber dueling is an official sport, and people basicly do HEMA with lightsabers. When can we expect an episode on lightsaber dueling and/or building a lightsaber for dueling purposes? After all, as old Ben Kenoby once told us a lightsaber is "an elegant weapon, for a more civilized age" .
He just taught these guys the classic osotogari throw.
Frauds
7:39 dude litterly knocked his shitπ€£π€£
ItΒ΄s great watching this as a german...your accents sound so funny to me haha
I hear that a lot
Jason is a natural at this. He is getting at it easy
Yeah. Did you notice that choke he started to go for from the jujitsu training?
just watching how close their heads were getting to that square electrical box on the wall wondering if they were nervous about that thing too.
Grappler feat is overpowered.
Oh shit! Dude is 20 minutes away from me!! I should totally go practice!!!!!
Yes , yes you should
I like this instructor, he did very well explaining.
"It was mortal combat two bu-"
You should do Viking Wrestling called, βGlima.β A little more brutal than Medieval wrestling.
I would love to see this
You can see Jason was having so much fun