@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu and everyone has differnt body mechanics for a litany of reasons. You guys identified a few which was really cool and helps to understand moves better. Great podcast!
*Final Conclusion* *S* Arm triangle Arm bar Bow and Arrow choke (Gi) Heel hook Rear naked choke Triangle choke (potential S, iconic but body type issues) *A* Arm in guillotine Calf slicer D’arce choke Kimura (potential S if you include the great grip and tool) Kneebar Loop choke Twister (hard to set up, A because of good submission and badass submission) Von Flu choke (great but situational) Wrist lock (also situational) *B* Anaconda (moved from C to B though) Americana Guillotine Buggy choke Omoplata (potential A, hard to finish but good utility) Toe hold (overshadowed by kneebar) *C* Groin stretch/banana split Bulldog choke Cross collar choke Paper cutter choke Straight ankle lock (overshadowed by heel hook) *D* Bicep slicer Body triangle (good as control, submission works depending on body type) Gi Brabo choke Kesa crush Clock choke Tarikoplata Electric chair Estima lock Gi ezekiel Gogoplata Knee on belly (D-) Scissor lock (D+) Lockdown Mir lock North south choke Peruvian necktie Suloev stretch kneebar TP (No idea what it is, some kind of triangle) *F* Baseball bat choke Boston Crab Can opener Foot lock from back
Greatly appreciate the list. I am a 1 year in white belt. I’ve been told to focus and attack only threeish submissions for the next year to really improve my basics of submissions while nearly 90% of the time defending:). What three would you recommend I focus on? I am 5 10, 40 year old with slightly long arms and average leg length. Thanks in advance.
Nogi/ MMA/ Luta Livre S Arm triangle 11:53 Arm bar 14:40 Heel hook 58:45 Rear naked choke 01:08:23 Triangle choke (potential S, iconic but body type issues) 01:14:58 A Arm in guillotine 5:34 Calf slicer 40:52 D’arce choke/ Brabo choke 53:36 Kimura (potential S if you include the great grip and tool) 59:14 Kneebar 1:00:53 Loop choke 01:03:31 Twister (hard to set up, A because of good submission and badass submission) 01:16:13 Von Flu choke 01:17:09 B Anaconda 4:00 Americana 1:21 Arm out guillotine 10:36 Buggy choke 35:18 Omoplata C Groin stretch/banana split 16:09 Bulldog choke Cross collar choke Paper cutter choke Straight ankle lock (overshadowed by heel hook) D Bicep slicer 21:58 Body triangle (good as control, submission works depending on body type) 23:28 Kesa crush Clock choke Tarikoplata 53:03 Electric chair Estima lock Gogoplata 58:03 Knee on belly (D-) Scissor lock (D+) Lockdown Mir lock 01:04:13 North south choke Peruvian necktie 01:07:09 Suloev stretch kneebar TP (No idea what it is, some kind of triangle) F Baseball bat choke Boston Crab 26:39 Can opener Foot lock from back
For me (blue belt), high elbow arm-out guillotine is S tier. I'm a lot smaller than most of the people I roll with, which ends up being a good thing for this style of guillotine: I'm quick enough and have small enough arms to get all the way around the head quickly, and my thin arms/sharp forearms make it an instant tap if I get it fully locked in. It's my #1 submission in nogi by a lot.
For the kesa move, it's a chest compression. You crush their chest and they can't breathe. I do it, but I also grab the leg so maybe there are variations.
You are essentially not allowing them to expand their thorax. You need those pressure changes to breathe. So done correctly, the opponent can't breathe in or out.
Tarikoplata is A-Tier for me. Being smaller than most people I roll with, I don’t always have the strength to break their kimura defense. Tarikoplata brings my legs into the equation.
That's really interesting. I need to spend so more time with them. Maybe I gave up too soon making them a part of my game. Glad you're having success with them 👊
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu it is especially useful when folks hunker down to resist the kimura. That’s actually what I want. I usually get them from a top side (dorsal) kimura, but they can be locked up from bottom position (Tarik Hopstock gets them from there often). Gi friction makes them so brutal. Tarik has some good videos on his UA-cam channel.
I agree on the Tarikoplata, definately a strong set up both nogi and gi, for those who are stubborn with the kimura defence. Btw it also works well from the Choi-bar setup entry.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu You should definitely! You also have Gordon doing it in some competition...Tarikoplata takes strength out of kimura. Works amazing when you have kimura grip and opponent starts turning to turtle, very easy to get from that position.
One of my seniors used to setup the nogi baseball bat choke from side control but instead of going for the choke, they'd go for the sternum crusher with their elbow. Most painful submission I've ever felt.
Yeah thats the Fishermans Basket. It's old school catch wrestling. The idea is every time you breathe out they squeeze down on the sub and it stops you breathing in. It is painful, but its basically a choke.
Dude I feel exactly the same with the body triangle. No one wants to tap to it, and I think "I don't want to rupture this guys spleen or something......" great video.
I literally tried to hold out as long as i could, i was 155 and shredded so I thought i could flex enough to defend but man for about 20 min i thought I’d be shittin blood lol
I didn't even realize until the video that I had the option to tap to that...I just figured it was the natural pain of being in a bad jiu jitsu position...
@@JaeEnnen Professor Jordan may disagree, but I encourage you to tap to pain early as you're learning. Your body is telling you something is wrong. If you're not sure, TAP, then just ask a coach after a roll what was going on.
Buggy choke is D tier for me. It's a sick submission that catches a lot of people off guard but it becomes pretty low percentage when people are wise to it. That and the fact it comes from a bad position for you and you need very good mobility to pull it off successfully
Agree, I personally cannot place anything that is so dependent on physical attribute higher than D, mayyyybe low C. You can show anyone an RNC and most can get an arm around a neck and squeeze to finish. Probably like high 90% of people can do it. But a buggy? How many can set them up? Much less finish them like you said.
Great video! Check out Josh Barnett’s can opener video though. He stacks em up before grabbing the head, then rocks back with head controlled. Makes it way harder to defend than just reaching for their head and trying to use the strength of your arms to crunch their head up.
Alex as the 'Villian' of your roll for moneyv ideo was a really cool aspect of it. He is very skilled and very fit, and it made me think of your previous videos with him where he made you perform well.
This video helped a lot to understand your ratings on the measurements of techniques themselves and not putting too much effort into putting them in fruition. Thanks for changing my attitude towards some of the techniques. Will definitely use it on the mat. Oss! 🤙
Got so hyped watching triangle get S tier, a move being iconic definitely feels important to get the highest ranking. So much BJJ history and culture in the top tier of moves
45:20 The kesa gatame submission is a wind choke. You put pressure on the opponents chest so they can't breathe. I've had success with it on smaller and same sized opponents. I've also been on the receiving end of it by judokas and it's so demoralizing being crushed.
I'm a blue belt and started using Americana's again for that first time since early white belt about 2 months ago. I've had a high success rate finishing with it in my rolling and a couple of comps. If you don't telegraph it then I have found you can hit it quick and people just don't expect it.
I need to find your video about finishing Head and arm triangle as i get to that position often but for some reason with smaller guys without thick neck i just cant finish it
I use the baseball choke from side control / knee on belly. No gi version I use the clap choke. Gi version I use the opponents lapel like the gi brabo choke - no pressure on the fingers at all so you can dial it to 11. Very sneaky as well.
Surprised at the clock choke being F. I am a whitebelt belt though 😂 but I hit it often on blue belts. I like it because I’ve found it easy to transition to a bow and arrow from it since it’s the same grip and usually they’re panicking about being choked so they move out of turtle and I pull them towards me. Really enjoyed the tier list!
So much good content I couldn't decide what to comment on! If you watch IJF someone gets slept nearly every tournament with the clock choke. The ruleset incentivizes turtling, so that helps.
Kesa gatame chest compression has a technical name and a colloquial name: diaphragm compression choke, fat man choke. Not a neck crank or a spine crank if done right, and in fact putting excessive pressure on the neck and spine will reduce the amount of force you can push down into their chest.
Jordan with your point on ankle locks, you would have to put armbars in the same category. People let their arm break/hyper extend to get a late escape and keep going
That's true but I think that's moreso in high level comp. Most tournaments people are more reasonable with their elbows rather than their ankles I've found at least.
Id argue the arm is way bigger than the ankle which helps with leverage maybe? But I do get more ankle locks then armbars so I dunno its a good argument to have
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Great spend time ! Coach can you make more escapes video's because everybody focus on submission but the escapes its the most important for beginners. Thanks for your work !
For me the no gi baseball choke is way better. As a relatively fresh blue belt I have tapped whites, blues and even purple belts with it. I've been pretty close with a black belt who defended well and got saved by the bell, but to his defense he basically gave me side mount to work from there. For me it is a sneaky submission I get from top side or from bottom half guard as they pass my guard. For me it is probably B tier.
Nice man I'm glad you're having some success with it. Sometimes what I consider to be niche submissions, work really good for certain people. It's definitely a cool sub!
@@uke_mike You are probably right. I suppose it's good to have a few rare subs you have really mastered in addition to the more common ones so you can surprise your opponent in competition and they won't know what caught them 🙂
Great list. I do disagree strongly on just one, which is the cross-collar choke. This choke is awesome from mount, AWESOME. Super low percentage/hard from guard. But from mount... Superb. Particularly since I watched the Roger Gracie instructions on how to finish it better... I'm not sure either about the Von Flue choke because it's so situational and your opponent has to make a special mistake for you to get it... I do agree that within that situation it's very efficient though ...
I've actually been watching a lot of Roger Gracie since making this video and I agree now. I think A tier is more fitting. There's a couple others I want to change too haha
My gym calls the kesa sub scarf holds or mothers milk. They teach it as chest compression but it's mostly taught when they're talking about generating pressure from that position.
Baseball choke in F hurts me... I hit it basically multiple times a day, everyone knows I go for it and they still get caught. You don't lose position if you hit it from knee on belly, it is very effective and if I don't get the tap in top position I just roll for better ajustment and gets the job is done. Very rare I lose position doing it too.
I like the no gi baseball from top side control. Even if they defend you can usually take their back. I've also occassionally used it as a guard pass when I find myself getting stuck in a high guard.
Agreed on Arm Triangle, Arm Bar, Bow and Arrow, RNC, and Heel Hook. That said, a friend recently won the para Abu Dhabi with a paper-cutter choke against the the guy who had been winning it for many years. I finish at least 3 or 4 folks a week with it myself. I will tell you that the big mistake is thinking the second grip has to be on the neck - I love to do it right over their defending hand and push their hand into their neck... or if I don't like them, right on their jaw line which has the Khabib-choking-Connor thing going on for the blood choke finish (and of course is a nasty crank). As for setting it up... it is usually there all day when you transitioning from one-side to the other in side-control by way of North-South or set it up from North South proper. When they defend the North-South paper-cutter entry effectively they usually give up an North-South choke too.
as a neck crank connoisseur the can opener barely qualifies. Its a way to get a reaction from someone holding you in the guard, but basically useless if you know cranks. Its only an over extension which pulls the neck muscles and very easy to block or counter. Proper neck cranks involve turning the head and then folding it over a fulcrum. so if you had someone in turtle and cross faced them until their chin is touching their shoulder, if they don't tap you force the head forward over the forearm you're using as a crossface. basically if they dont tap they can lose a vertabrae. EVERYONE ALWAYS TAPS. there is not a single person I've seen 'tough it out' when a legit neck crank is applied. Really useful for getting peoples hands up to defend from the turtle too, if you're trying to get hooks in. As for the Josh Barnett sub over lister, I had a good long chat with Eric Paulson (ex UFC) who trained him for the fight strategy. The whole fight he used the shin pinch and his weight to make him move and carry his weight to wear him down and make him breathe hard. Right at the end he applied it because its a chest compression. Yes there is an element of a neck stretch like the can opener, but essentially it prevents you breathing. Believe it or not its actually a choke.
Man, for me the armbar has been one of my least effective submissions. Just can't seem to set it up very well yet. I know it's really one of the best subs out there though and I'll be figuring it out soon.
I always get the arm but they seem to be too far from my body and can easily slip out. Rear naked chokes, guillotines and arm triangles are my best subs
They should smash the arm out guilliotine guy on the walls. Idk if the UFC ruleset does not allow this but I seen people do it in StreetBeefs, it was a kid that didnt even knew how to fight he wont against the Jiu Jitsu guy because he got creative & lifted him and spun & smashed his head against the wooden wall lol.
You talk about the body triangle squeeze from the back being a submission that works really well for you. You mentioned that the angle is important in getting the tap. Could you be more in-depth about that? Where is the ideal placement for the triangle?
Nice content Jordan. Any plans on condensing this content down into like a 10minute video? I feel like that would do really well with the algorithm but you probably know more than I do!
Thank you! It would definitely do better in the algorithm being shorter but I felt it was a good opportunity to expose everyone to the podcast, and see me unscripted for once 🙂. Probably in the future I'll make a good well thought out and consise version 👊
Agree with the Anaconda, I’m no expert so it’s probably a technique thing but I end up spending more energy trying to finish it compared to the other front headlock positions!
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu it’s called Constant Progression. It’s about becoming better as a human, how to impact others, and instill change! Nothin on jiu jitsu yet! Thanks for the support bro!
Hey Jordan, as a white belt sometimes i feel there is an overload of information when i watch bjj content on the internet. Unknowingly i try to make some moves work that i see. Sometimes they do work well but mostly these are moves where i am almost there already and just need to add a few details which is helped by the video. But how to get over this feeling of there are so many moves still there which i have no idea about and i should be knowing them. Any suggestions? Great work on the videos as always.
Pick only 1-2 moves to try out per session and also only pick moves that you feel like fill a weakness in your game. You will get overwhelmed otherwise looking at all the videos but retaining nothing
I would try and focus on one area and a few techniques within it at a time. Practice with a partner if you can and live drill too. And most importantly don't give up on the technique if it's not working. Keep figuring out what adjustments need to be made.
Bow and Arrow is an S tier? Seems like when I screw up and am in one I just grab the hand holding the leg and kick and I'm out, same with when I have it on others. What am I missing? Seems like it's too easy to defend against.
Hmm, I think it would be difficult to do so against someone with a strong grip. I haven't had that experience tbh. There's modified versions which don't grab the leg that are equally as affective as well.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu Perhaps try it in your next roll, let someone get you in the choke, grab the hand or forearm, then kick against it. I've not had anyone have a grip so good that it survived a really strong leg kick with a thumbless grip holding the hand. Before learning this trick, I had no way to defend.
I had a serious mid back injury RIGHT after starting because i didnt know how to defend against a can crusher and it went from 0-110. Ive tended to have the same experience when being on the recieving wnd of a crank. I suppose thats a training etiquette issue.
It is. I was was part of a random BJJ gym and the guys were rough. Can openers and stuff routine. No supervision from coach who is rolling too. I’m now at a Gracie Barra and while the people are very soft compared, coach monitors rolls carefully and it’s a good environment to train in.
Pick your training partners carefully and don’t be afraid to say no thanks…we luckily have very very few instances like that and the ppl that do that stuff don’t last long at our gym. I find talking to them and explaining that you’re getting injured, or find a gym without dickjitsu if possible, sorry you had that experience when you were so new…
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Can’t wait to base my entire game around this video
Results may vary depending on body type haha. I need to make a BJJ style for different body types video soon.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu OMG I hope you do. Ill watch the crap out of that
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu yes pls I’m 6.1 and lanky arms and legs. Would love to know how to utlusise these more
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu and everyone has differnt body mechanics for a litany of reasons. You guys identified a few which was really cool and helps to understand moves better. Great podcast!
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu cool ! can't wait
*Final Conclusion*
*S*
Arm triangle
Arm bar
Bow and Arrow choke (Gi)
Heel hook
Rear naked choke
Triangle choke (potential S, iconic but body type issues)
*A*
Arm in guillotine
Calf slicer
D’arce choke
Kimura (potential S if you include the great grip and tool)
Kneebar
Loop choke
Twister (hard to set up, A because of good submission and badass submission)
Von Flu choke (great but situational)
Wrist lock (also situational)
*B*
Anaconda (moved from C to B though)
Americana
Guillotine
Buggy choke
Omoplata (potential A, hard to finish but good utility)
Toe hold (overshadowed by kneebar)
*C*
Groin stretch/banana split
Bulldog choke
Cross collar choke
Paper cutter choke
Straight ankle lock (overshadowed by heel hook)
*D*
Bicep slicer
Body triangle (good as control, submission works depending on body type)
Gi Brabo choke
Kesa crush
Clock choke
Tarikoplata
Electric chair
Estima lock
Gi ezekiel
Gogoplata
Knee on belly (D-)
Scissor lock (D+)
Lockdown
Mir lock
North south choke
Peruvian necktie
Suloev stretch kneebar
TP (No idea what it is, some kind of triangle)
*F*
Baseball bat choke
Boston Crab
Can opener
Foot lock from back
Thank you so much for this! Looking back at this I would maybe make a few small changes. I'll make a slightly modified list and post it.
Same here, when i see it layed out like that, I’d change a few things too, some of the pics were hard to see when we were looking at them.
You are doing God's work.
Greatly appreciate the list. I am a 1 year in white belt. I’ve been told to focus and attack only threeish submissions for the next year to really improve my basics of submissions while nearly 90% of the time defending:). What three would you recommend I focus on?
I am 5 10, 40 year old with slightly long arms and average leg length. Thanks in advance.
@@rorypine7018 what positions do you normally find yourself in?
Love how you brought the crew on for this one! Uke Mike is always fun to listen to
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Nogi/ MMA/ Luta Livre
S
Arm triangle 11:53
Arm bar 14:40
Heel hook 58:45
Rear naked choke 01:08:23
Triangle choke (potential S, iconic but body type issues) 01:14:58
A
Arm in guillotine 5:34
Calf slicer 40:52
D’arce choke/ Brabo choke 53:36
Kimura (potential S if you include the great grip and tool) 59:14
Kneebar 1:00:53
Loop choke 01:03:31
Twister (hard to set up, A because of good submission and badass submission) 01:16:13
Von Flu choke 01:17:09
B
Anaconda 4:00
Americana 1:21
Arm out guillotine 10:36
Buggy choke 35:18
Omoplata
C
Groin stretch/banana split 16:09
Bulldog choke
Cross collar choke
Paper cutter choke
Straight ankle lock (overshadowed by heel hook)
D
Bicep slicer 21:58
Body triangle (good as control, submission works depending on body type) 23:28
Kesa crush
Clock choke
Tarikoplata 53:03
Electric chair
Estima lock
Gogoplata 58:03
Knee on belly (D-)
Scissor lock (D+)
Lockdown
Mir lock 01:04:13
North south choke
Peruvian necktie 01:07:09
Suloev stretch kneebar
TP (No idea what it is, some kind of triangle)
F
Baseball bat choke
Boston Crab 26:39
Can opener
Foot lock from back
Legend
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This is super cool. As an avid jits guy and gamer, I love this tier list format!
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Agreed. Trying to find the meta.
For me (blue belt), high elbow arm-out guillotine is S tier. I'm a lot smaller than most of the people I roll with, which ends up being a good thing for this style of guillotine: I'm quick enough and have small enough arms to get all the way around the head quickly, and my thin arms/sharp forearms make it an instant tap if I get it fully locked in. It's my #1 submission in nogi by a lot.
I feel like you get better leverage with guillotine with a figure four lock on the neck
For the kesa move, it's a chest compression. You crush their chest and they can't breathe. I do it, but I also grab the leg so maybe there are variations.
Oh interesting, that makes sense now. I really enjoy hitting them. Just feels good lol
Agreed. It’s like drowning.
I can confirm. Judokas tend to be good at this.
You are essentially not allowing them to expand their thorax. You need those pressure changes to breathe. So done correctly, the opponent can't breathe in or out.
It’s also called a scarfhold
The "kesagatame neck crank" is called a chest compressor. You need to hold the suffocation for like 30 seconds for them to tap
holy cow! an hour plus of submission ranking and reviews
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Tarikoplata is A-Tier for me. Being smaller than most people I roll with, I don’t always have the strength to break their kimura defense. Tarikoplata brings my legs into the equation.
That's really interesting. I need to spend so more time with them. Maybe I gave up too soon making them a part of my game. Glad you're having success with them 👊
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu it is especially useful when folks hunker down to resist the kimura. That’s actually what I want. I usually get them from a top side (dorsal) kimura, but they can be locked up from bottom position (Tarik Hopstock gets them from there often). Gi friction makes them so brutal. Tarik has some good videos on his UA-cam channel.
I agree on the Tarikoplata, definately a strong set up both nogi and gi, for those who are stubborn with the kimura defence.
Btw it also works well from the Choi-bar setup entry.
@@kristofferh2312 yes! Another great entry.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu You should definitely! You also have Gordon doing it in some competition...Tarikoplata takes strength out of kimura. Works amazing when you have kimura grip and opponent starts turning to turtle, very easy to get from that position.
jordan is so funny in this conversation, idk why but i feel like he is just always laughing and it starts making me laugh because
Haha I was having a great time!
One of my seniors used to setup the nogi baseball bat choke from side control but instead of going for the choke, they'd go for the sternum crusher with their elbow. Most painful submission I've ever felt.
Yeah thats the Fishermans Basket. It's old school catch wrestling. The idea is every time you breathe out they squeeze down on the sub and it stops you breathing in. It is painful, but its basically a choke.
Im only 14 sessions in to No Gi training and studying this is UNBELIEVABLY helpful!!
Thanks Guys 🤜🤛
Brilliant video, thank you Jordan. I always struggle to pick which technique to learn next, now it would be a lot easier
Happy to help! Glad you enjoyed it 👊
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Dude I feel exactly the same with the body triangle. No one wants to tap to it, and I think "I don't want to rupture this guys spleen or something......" great video.
Haha people are nuts
I literally tried to hold out as long as i could, i was 155 and shredded so I thought i could flex enough to defend but man for about 20 min i thought I’d be shittin blood lol
I didn't even realize until the video that I had the option to tap to that...I just figured it was the natural pain of being in a bad jiu jitsu position...
@@JaeEnnen Professor Jordan may disagree, but I encourage you to tap to pain early as you're learning. Your body is telling you something is wrong. If you're not sure, TAP, then just ask a coach after a roll what was going on.
It's hard to tell in how much trouble you really are.
Typically I just tap when I'm afraid of spitting out my last meal.
Buggy choke is D tier for me. It's a sick submission that catches a lot of people off guard but it becomes pretty low percentage when people are wise to it. That and the fact it comes from a bad position for you and you need very good mobility to pull it off successfully
Agree, I personally cannot place anything that is so dependent on physical attribute higher than D, mayyyybe low C. You can show anyone an RNC and most can get an arm around a neck and squeeze to finish. Probably like high 90% of people can do it.
But a buggy? How many can set them up? Much less finish them like you said.
Exactly! Just stick a knee/elbow in the guts and you’re safe
Great video! Check out Josh Barnett’s can opener video though. He stacks em up before grabbing the head, then rocks back with head controlled. Makes it way harder to defend than just reaching for their head and trying to use the strength of your arms to crunch their head up.
Alex as the 'Villian' of your roll for moneyv ideo was a really cool aspect of it. He is very skilled and very fit, and it made me think of your previous videos with him where he made you perform well.
This is amazing! Thank you for this episode to all you guys!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Was waiting for this! Thanks guys!
Hope it's worth the wait!! 🙏👊
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What a great idea for a video. Ive seen so many lists but none about bjj
Thank you! We had a tonne of fun doing it.
Had been waiting for this video ever since Jordan mentioned the idea in one of his previous videos
"BJJ gets rid of the ego", Jordan at 13:00, "hold my beer".
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This video helped a lot to understand your ratings on the measurements of techniques themselves and not putting too much effort into putting them in fruition. Thanks for changing my attitude towards some of the techniques. Will definitely use it on the mat. Oss! 🤙
lovely Podcast! loved this video more than I imagined hehe great stuff as always! ooos!!
Thanks !
Got so hyped watching triangle get S tier, a move being iconic definitely feels important to get the highest ranking. So much BJJ history and culture in the top tier of moves
I mean it has to be. There's a world of difference between playing in someone's guard that can triangle vs someone that doesn't
Hey awesome show guys, keep it up. Can you put a link in the description for the discord?
Love this content! Good work Jordan
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45:20 The kesa gatame submission is a wind choke. You put pressure on the opponents chest so they can't breathe. I've had success with it on smaller and same sized opponents. I've also been on the receiving end of it by judokas and it's so demoralizing being crushed.
I'm a blue belt and started using Americana's again for that first time since early white belt about 2 months ago. I've had a high success rate finishing with it in my rolling and a couple of comps. If you don't telegraph it then I have found you can hit it quick and people just don't expect it.
If you're one of the heaviest dudes in you entire gym, that don'r count
@@glxblt-sd1ze I'm 74kg (compete at lightweight) and I'm 5"8 my man, so not even kinda big 😁
@@bespokeregent48 nice job man, keep working
@@glxblt-sd1ze Thanks bro 🤙
Awesome video!
As someone who is starting to map out his A game I always wondered how each submission’s functional use rank amongst eachother
If i had a nickle for every time i successfully hit an omoplata during a live round, id have 0 nickles.
Kesa gatame aka scarfold is probably my top submission other than the arm triangle. But I am a 250lb purple belt lol
Man i hate getting caught in those with big dudes lol
I love this breakdown a lot! A lot of good insight for a white belt like myself. Also, where can I find a link to the Discord server?
I need to find your video about finishing Head and arm triangle as i get to that position often but for some reason with smaller guys without thick neck i just cant finish it
I'll make a new one soon too. I want to make a lot more instructionals.
Do you already wiggle back and forth with your shoulder and try to pull your arm in deeper?
I use the baseball choke from side control / knee on belly. No gi version I use the clap choke. Gi version I use the opponents lapel like the gi brabo choke - no pressure on the fingers at all so you can dial it to 11. Very sneaky as well.
Surprised at the clock choke being F. I am a whitebelt belt though 😂 but I hit it often on blue belts. I like it because I’ve found it easy to transition to a bow and arrow from it since it’s the same grip and usually they’re panicking about being choked so they move out of turtle and I pull them towards me. Really enjoyed the tier list!
Thank you! Maybe I just need to spend more time with them. Glad you're having success with them though 👊
Yeah, it is super common to get in judo. Can you trap their far hand in turtle it is really hard to defend
So much good content I couldn't decide what to comment on!
If you watch IJF someone gets slept nearly every tournament with the clock choke. The ruleset incentivizes turtling, so that helps.
Ya I think that's why it's seen in judo but rarely high level BJJ. People won't stay turtled long enough to get the grip.
45:24 I learned this one as 100kilos I apply it as a possible pressure tap late in rounds but a good overall way to control and get an arm
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Hello Jordan, Could you please but the Tier level on the Timestamps list thanks.
Kesa gatame chest compression has a technical name and a colloquial name: diaphragm compression choke, fat man choke. Not a neck crank or a spine crank if done right, and in fact putting excessive pressure on the neck and spine will reduce the amount of force you can push down into their chest.
Jordan with your point on ankle locks, you would have to put armbars in the same category. People let their arm break/hyper extend to get a late escape and keep going
That's true but I think that's moreso in high level comp. Most tournaments people are more reasonable with their elbows rather than their ankles I've found at least.
Id argue the arm is way bigger than the ankle which helps with leverage maybe? But I do get more ankle locks then armbars so I dunno its a good argument to have
Jordan is the type of guy to say, "I am thinking of joining the airforce. I have never flown a plane before but I see planes moving like berimbolos and so I odon't know I think I can do it."
Haha you're 100% right. Self belief 🙌
Back body triangle ✨ strong long leg gang here but sadly it prevents me from working RNC and other attacks from the back so I stopped doing it
Maybe it’s the camera angle but Jordan’s right arm looks twice the size of his left.😂
I noticed that about my left as well lol
Armbar and Twister above Anaconda, Darce? Im rioting lol
Haha I just love twisters so much ❤️
We’re rebels 🤩 lol
I wanna see a video like this for guard passes or takedowns!!
Great spend time !
Coach can you make more escapes video's because everybody focus on submission but the escapes its the most important for beginners.
Thanks for your work !
Ya definitely. Ive got something really good planned for that.
Great to hear 👊
The kezakatami kill system- its a possible head arm triangle or compression/crush.
Such a cool sub
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The kesa-getame submission is the Bas Ruten special ;). It basically stops the opponent from breathing
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Kinda happy that all my favorite submissions arent some super niche things. Arm Bar, Arm Locks, Loop Choke, Okuri Eri, Kimura and Knee Bars lol
Love the longer videos
Happy to hear that 👊
Awesome thanks man!
The discussion on the body triangle squeeze is hilarious. "It feels like they might literally die" hahaha jeez..
Haha well Chewwy placed third at ADCC trials as well. A lot higher of an achievement than most coaches :)
I have tapped so many higher belts with the baseball bat choke. Wow
I think I’ve only ever had 3 ppl try it 3.5 years
Great topic!
don't you guys think that one gives up position with the armbar?
For me the no gi baseball choke is way better. As a relatively fresh blue belt I have tapped whites, blues and even purple belts with it. I've been pretty close with a black belt who defended well and got saved by the bell, but to his defense he basically gave me side mount to work from there.
For me it is a sneaky submission I get from top side or from bottom half guard as they pass my guard. For me it is probably B tier.
Nice man I'm glad you're having some success with it. Sometimes what I consider to be niche submissions, work really good for certain people. It's definitely a cool sub!
I think if you put in the hours, any sub could be super successful!
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu Thanks man! So cool to get replies from the creator. Love your content!
@@uke_mike You are probably right. I suppose it's good to have a few rare subs you have really mastered in addition to the more common ones so you can surprise your opponent in competition and they won't know what caught them 🙂
Can you make a tier list of takedowns please
Great list. I do disagree strongly on just one, which is the cross-collar choke. This choke is awesome from mount, AWESOME. Super low percentage/hard from guard. But from mount... Superb. Particularly since I watched the Roger Gracie instructions on how to finish it better...
I'm not sure either about the Von Flue choke because it's so situational and your opponent has to make a special mistake for you to get it... I do agree that within that situation it's very efficient though ...
I've actually been watching a lot of Roger Gracie since making this video and I agree now. I think A tier is more fitting. There's a couple others I want to change too haha
you can get an Americana from the setup for an arm triangle too
That's true. I actually love Americanas. They don't get enough love.
just to add on to the rear naked choke killing animals: in Brazil we call it "mata-leão" which is like "lion-killer", so yeah lol
What about the one where you go north-south and whisper "I love you" in their ear? :)
Haha everyone's favourite. S tier for sure.
Made me laugh out loud😂😂
At 44.56. it's a chest compressions. Prevents you from being able to expand the lungs when done right.
Jordan getting offended of being called a brown belt is hilarious 🤣
Gotta get those facts straight lol 😅
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu is a massive compliment to most just goes to show there are levels to BJJ🤣
Having to prove it so someone wastly less experienced than him is weird
The Bravo choke. Look into it bro
So hype for this one, I called it!
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I had no idea the body triangle was a submission, my gym only teaches them as a way to control the back
It's definitely a sub, I thought I was going to die lol
@Uke Mike makes sense, it definitely sucks to be in, love the channel you guys are awesome!
@@tylergossett3133 thank you!!
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Depends on your leg proportions and the other person's torso proportions.
My gym calls the kesa sub scarf holds or mothers milk. They teach it as chest compression but it's mostly taught when they're talking about generating pressure from that position.
Baseball choke in F hurts me... I hit it basically multiple times a day, everyone knows I go for it and they still get caught. You don't lose position if you hit it from knee on belly, it is very effective and if I don't get the tap in top position I just roll for better ajustment and gets the job is done. Very rare I lose position doing it too.
What about the reverse Omoplata? I think it is missing
I like the no gi baseball from top side control. Even if they defend you can usually take their back. I've also occassionally used it as a guard pass when I find myself getting stuck in a high guard.
The barnett sub is a compression "choke". It keeps you from being able to inhale after you exhale.
This was great. Need a take down tier list next!
I’m glad you said arm in guillotine is S tier. May have to fight you on arm out.
Haha let's see which guillotine style is superior in May 😜
This will be great to watch, love seeing ppl cross promote and everyone wins! Really like your new content!
Double leg is the best takedown, so naturally guillotine is the best submission.
Agreed on Arm Triangle, Arm Bar, Bow and Arrow, RNC, and Heel Hook. That said, a friend recently won the para Abu Dhabi with a paper-cutter choke against the the guy who had been winning it for many years. I finish at least 3 or 4 folks a week with it myself. I will tell you that the big mistake is thinking the second grip has to be on the neck - I love to do it right over their defending hand and push their hand into their neck... or if I don't like them, right on their jaw line which has the Khabib-choking-Connor thing going on for the blood choke finish (and of course is a nasty crank). As for setting it up... it is usually there all day when you transitioning from one-side to the other in side-control by way of North-South or set it up from North South proper. When they defend the North-South paper-cutter entry effectively they usually give up an North-South choke too.
Jordan can you make a tier list for guards.
Thank you
Will have to make one in the future for sure 👊
as someone with long arms i LOVE the ezekiel choke. it was my first ever sub
as a neck crank connoisseur the can opener barely qualifies. Its a way to get a reaction from someone holding you in the guard, but basically useless if you know cranks. Its only an over extension which pulls the neck muscles and very easy to block or counter.
Proper neck cranks involve turning the head and then folding it over a fulcrum. so if you had someone in turtle and cross faced them until their chin is touching their shoulder, if they don't tap you force the head forward over the forearm you're using as a crossface.
basically if they dont tap they can lose a vertabrae. EVERYONE ALWAYS TAPS. there is not a single person I've seen 'tough it out' when a legit neck crank is applied.
Really useful for getting peoples hands up to defend from the turtle too, if you're trying to get hooks in.
As for the Josh Barnett sub over lister, I had a good long chat with Eric Paulson (ex UFC) who trained him for the fight strategy. The whole fight he used the shin pinch and his weight to make him move and carry his weight to wear him down and make him breathe hard. Right at the end he applied it because its a chest compression. Yes there is an element of a neck stretch like the can opener, but essentially it prevents you breathing.
Believe it or not its actually a choke.
All the modified "Plata's" but no omoplata? Just looking at the links anyway
We talk about the omaplata but thanks for pointing it out! Thanks for supporting the podcast!
Man, for me the armbar has been one of my least effective submissions. Just can't seem to set it up very well yet. I know it's really one of the best subs out there though and I'll be figuring it out soon.
I always get the arm but they seem to be too far from my body and can easily slip out. Rear naked chokes, guillotines and arm triangles are my best subs
I used to struggle with armbars. I now hit them all the time. My highest percentage sub.
They should smash the arm out guilliotine guy on the walls. Idk if the UFC ruleset does not allow this but I seen people do it in StreetBeefs, it was a kid that didnt even knew how to fight he wont against the Jiu Jitsu guy because he got creative & lifted him and spun & smashed his head against the wooden wall lol.
You talk about the body triangle squeeze from the back being a submission that works really well for you. You mentioned that the angle is important in getting the tap. Could you be more in-depth about that? Where is the ideal placement for the triangle?
idk the guillotine without arm may still be good control for transitions for guard passing and getting past half guard
That's true. There's definitely a place for it. Maybe I'm just an arm in snob haha
Great vid, you guys missed the baratoplata though
Adcc does have a list of which subs have won how many matches. That's a good place to start your statistical analysis of JJ.
Do you have tutorial on Williams , Split and Rubber guard?
Nice content Jordan. Any plans on condensing this content down into like a 10minute video? I feel like that would do really well with the algorithm but you probably know more than I do!
Thank you! It would definitely do better in the algorithm being shorter but I felt it was a good opportunity to expose everyone to the podcast, and see me unscripted for once 🙂. Probably in the future I'll make a good well thought out and consise version 👊
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu thats a good point, I hope it brings more exposure to your podcast
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can you please please talk about which guards are less useful for mma? And the best ways to get back up without walking in mma?
Agree with the Anaconda, I’m no expert so it’s probably a technique thing but I end up spending more energy trying to finish it compared to the other front headlock positions!
I always find the darce easier to hit than the anaconda
I've heard a lot of guys with wrestling backgrounds tend to have great success with anacondas.
This is such great content, love it! Just started my podcast on Spotify hopefully moving to UA-cam soon
Thank you! What's your podcast called? I'll check it out.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu it’s called Constant Progression. It’s about becoming better as a human, how to impact others, and instill change! Nothin on jiu jitsu yet! Thanks for the support bro!
Hey Jordan, as a white belt sometimes i feel there is an overload of information when i watch bjj content on the internet. Unknowingly i try to make some moves work that i see. Sometimes they do work well but mostly these are moves where i am almost there already and just need to add a few details which is helped by the video. But how to get over this feeling of there are so many moves still there which i have no idea about and i should be knowing them. Any suggestions?
Great work on the videos as always.
Get good at the basics
Pick only 1-2 moves to try out per session and also only pick moves that you feel like fill a weakness in your game. You will get overwhelmed otherwise looking at all the videos but retaining nothing
My son felt this way. Our coach told him to pick 2 subs and 2 sweeps and chase them for 2 months.
I would try and focus on one area and a few techniques within it at a time. Practice with a partner if you can and live drill too. And most importantly don't give up on the technique if it's not working. Keep figuring out what adjustments need to be made.
Just attempt d'arce chokes until you get them. Disregard all other submissions.
Bow and Arrow is an S tier? Seems like when I screw up and am in one I just grab the hand holding the leg and kick and I'm out, same with when I have it on others. What am I missing? Seems like it's too easy to defend against.
Hmm, I think it would be difficult to do so against someone with a strong grip. I haven't had that experience tbh. There's modified versions which don't grab the leg that are equally as affective as well.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu Perhaps try it in your next roll, let someone get you in the choke, grab the hand or forearm, then kick against it. I've not had anyone have a grip so good that it survived a really strong leg kick with a thumbless grip holding the hand. Before learning this trick, I had no way to defend.
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Thank you!
I had a serious mid back injury RIGHT after starting because i didnt know how to defend against a can crusher and it went from 0-110. Ive tended to have the same experience when being on the recieving wnd of a crank.
I suppose thats a training etiquette issue.
It is. I was was part of a random BJJ gym and the guys were rough. Can openers and stuff routine. No supervision from coach who is rolling too. I’m now at a Gracie Barra and while the people are very soft compared, coach monitors rolls carefully and it’s a good environment to train in.
Pick your training partners carefully and don’t be afraid to say no thanks…we luckily have very very few instances like that and the ppl that do that stuff don’t last long at our gym. I find talking to them and explaining that you’re getting injured, or find a gym without dickjitsu if possible, sorry you had that experience when you were so new…
Oww I do love a good tire list
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I think the one before the straight ankle is scorpion death lock
The kangaroo didn't die by the choke. Just got choked out. You can see it moving afterwards
Ya good point. We've overlooked it.
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My old gym would call that kesa gatame move the "fat man choke"
Haha definitely a good one for the big guys