Ken Wilber on the evolution of consciousness in the age of Trump.
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2019
- Ken Wilber is the world's most well-known exponent of Integral Theory. In this episode he describes his intellectual development, discusses his theory of the evolution of consciousness in the context of the artificial intelligence revolution, and outlines the argument of his recent book about Donald Trump's America.
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When the student is ready the teacher appears. I am so ready to learn from Ken Wilber.
Ken WIlber's thinking revolutionized my life. The sea change of all sea changes. I've read a large number of his over 40 books, which gave me a perspective on just about everything unrivaled by just about everything I'd ever learned about myself and the world. Hardly anyone I know, no, no one I know, has read Wilber, let alone even knows about him and his importance. If you want suggestion where to start, let me know, and I could point you in perhaps a good direction.
@@PaulJones-oj4kr yes, please. Waking up to the luciferian paradigm and realizing how much I have been programmed was a real shock. Now I walk among those still parroting everything they are told. it is surreal.
What should I read first? I also like Alan Watts, George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Camille Pagelia, dr Jordan Peterson, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Nature, my dogs. All my teachers.
@@PaulJones-oj4kr yes. I would like to know more about him. What should I read first?
@@lisajarvie9650 Have you dug into Wilbers work? How you feel about it today?
Love Ken Wilber. He doesn't know it but he's my teacher. After meditating and doing depth psychology and dream analysis for a few years, I had a classic Kundalini awakening and a direct experience of the Goddess or the Golden Light that radiates ecstacy (Shakti), This was experienced as Unity but there was still the I-Thou relationship. The Goddess was radiating and sustaining me, except it was a higher me...which I interpret as the Soul or the Psychic Being of Sri Aurobindo. This was not what is described as Non Dual...but it was the most Unity and Love I have ever experienced. In fact, it felt like 10,000 orgasms. The kundalini process then regresses the person to the very pits of the unconscious. Here, the kundalini violently breaks up any previous stages that were not integrated or that were arrested. This took 23 years of suffering and anguish. At the bottom of the unconscious, one encounters the Psychic Being or Flame of the Sacred Heart. It is literally located behind the heart. Sri Aurobindo describes it and the process of attaining it in great detail. The process then swings up and an ascension and integration process begins. This rises higher and higher until non dual is experienced. I know Ken has written about the pre/trans fallacy, yet my experience was a down/up journey. But what I found on the other side of the lowest pits of hell (collective unconscious shadow) was my Soul...luminous and effulgent. I don't think this Psychic Being or Soul Core or the "Flame of the Sacred Heart" is well known or written about by many transpersonal theorists. The Individuality not only remains intact, it is redeemed, justified, and sanctified. This is the path of the Mother or Shakti Goddess who cares so much about people...souls...that she created a natural process for those who are ready to achieve integration and enlightenment. It's not the highest stage of non dual...I think it is called the 6th stage.
I read your book No Boundary when I was inGrad School in the late 70’s.. And it had a profound influence in my almost 40 years of clinical practice. I read some of your subsequent books. I can never thank you enough. In 2015, I became a Vipassana meditator. I can resonate with everything you’re discussing now-integrating Waking Up and Growing up, the process of melding the intellect and the heart. But I ended up embracing all the diversities in life...like at the threshold of what David Bohm described as the “implicate wholeness.”
You should check out Paul Chek
Absolutely brilliant! I'd never heard of Ken Wilber until a few days ago. To say he is a great thinker would be an understatement. Many thanks for the upload!
Ken seems to have his hoodie on backward here...but he is in petty good form for all that.
discovered Ken ..oh jez 15 years ago.. Always good
This is a super interview! I heard it as a podcast over two days. I learned a lot. Ken Wilber is a rare genius. John T, conducted the interview beautifully giving Ken Wilber all the space he needed to wind and unwind himself to express his ideas.
Can anything related to Ken not be cool? Love this man!
What a great mind. Absolute clarity and concentration power. Thank you very much
Thank you very much for this wonderful podcast!
I met Wilber around his table in his penthouse in Denver a few times when I was a teenager. I'm saying this so you people think I'm cool. But it's true. Remarkable man.
I think you're cool and envy that experience.
Honesty is cool
yeap: Cool!
Thats pretty cool hehe
I find it perplexing why his thoughts and integral ideas don't get more traction...I find his mind extremely clear on just about all he speaks about...
I’m here to speak to your father... LOL!
TY Sir for your life of sharing your brilliance!
A pleasure to hear your journey.
Having served time in Sedona AZ for 15 + years I so enjoyed the explanation of growth verses awakening reality. Plenty of examples observed. Sweet!
Zen Wilber.
KEN SHO Wilber !!
Top man. Integral Guru par excellence. I got so much from this. Thanx.
Excellent interview - very interesting and well-thought-out points (And an excellent interviewer, allowing for the questions to be answered in full without interrupting or commenting - even when the answers are as lengthy and comprehensive as is the case here! :) )
Exactly my thoughts.
I needed this guy right. WOw and I didn’t even know it. I didn’t know who he was until he showed in my feed.
Thank you for the interview! I particularly enjoyed hearing more about Ken Wilber’s personal story…
this earned you a subscription
The Baha'i Faith has these stages and tiers, in two forms. One are referred to as the Seven Valleys, and the other are the Four Valleys. The Seven reference spiritual existence and the Four reference the human heart. The human heart would emphasize the four quadrants and the seven tiers up to seventh person point of view, or the colored tiers are no different to the Seven Valleys, but i really like how they are figuring out the integrated thought processes that each discipline of science, religion and rational thought should be brought together into a oneness of understanding.
Thank you for this interview, where Wilber could sum up his insights/theory in such a short time, and give us perspective to where we might head from this culture wars time. Loved it.
Definitely very awakened and consciousness Being. Thank you for the upload. All the best from Croatia
Thank you Mr Ben wilker, thank you indeed you are the most relevant thinker of our time, you are the next level... Thank you for the blue prints!
us lost & ignorant humans need that, are thirsty for a Macro view and analysis of you Calibre , it light the path what a great achievement dude!
"Cleaning up an showing up" Jordan Peterson meets Woody Allen.
Love it like I love books!
Book 33
Brilliant.
Thank you very much
Know all of this since 40 years- nice to hear it again. I like it that Ken Wilber is also referring to Jean Gebser, so very important.
his magnus opus, Sex, Ecology and Spirituality is a tour de force which lays out the integral meta-theory in correlation with social and cultural evolution. highly recommend
Thanks for this GREAT tip mate !
Many thanks.
I'm pretty sure I'm at the yellow/turquoise stage of growing up and have only had two waking up experiences. One was the most amazing dream I have ever had and the other was when I was recovering from a general anaesthetic. The general anaesthetic one was most probably drug induced although it was never the less an amazing experience. I have taken Ketamine since then and have not had that same experience again.
Plain and simply meditate 💖🇳🇿🙏
That is only for the transpersonal according to Ken but will not get to the shadow.
Alcoholics Anonymous addresses a difference between an Spiritual Experience and a Spiritual Awakening. Also, the N.A Medicine Wheel has developmental elements that totally acknowledges that you can be grown up in one aspect and not in others.
thankyou thankyou
Ken wilber is my favourite ♥️
i would love to know Ken's background how many yrs did he study Buddhism,/ mystical Hindu etc.
actually viewing ourselves as navigators, fully integrates both scientific and the internal stuff. Everything including religion, escoteric, can fit into this one picture. The beauty of this approach is that it's not only provides a framework or lense for all understanding but can be formalised in a way that also meshes with mathematics and abstraction.
Greatest thinker of our time. I wonder what Ken thinks of climate change and where that is taking us?
there is another lecture about Jordan Peterson with Ken Wilber- and there he talks about the subject.... he is far to intelligent to just follow the average ideas about this
Don't know what he thought. I think it's taking us to a massive die off.
Greatest thinker of our time,,, for you yes. Not for everyone.
St Suzuki got me into Emanuel swedenborg
not exactly the logical way to follow up with this...
Wouldn't you have to be in a higher state of consciousness in order to properly understand and explain the levels under you ? Where im going with this is his consciousness level system is limited by his own personal level of consciousness
So there are methods for waking up. Are there any methods for growing up apart from just living life?
Taking responsibility, starting with yourself and then leveling up from there.
1:47:46.... "...that I introduce in a book called: mnmfmnrm" anyone know the actual name of the book?
Up From Eden
@@johntangney3553 Much appreciated,,ta!
Hello Mike Sharp. Where are you from? I think I know you.
@@michaelnice93 Scotland?
I would very much doubt that any physicist would call self-organization a force in the sense of the four fundamental forces. They describe fundamental types of interactions whereas self-organization is a type of emergent dynamic caused by the balance of interactions and statistical tendencies on different scales. In chemistry for instance, self-organization is often fully explained with recourse only to the electromagnetic force.
This is not to say that it is less real than the four forces, only that it is a different kind of "thing".
I don't have much self organisation force.
Ken Buddhism.
360p smh
One of the problems of Darwinian evolution is that it can't create new species, it can only customise around a set template.
...and when the teacher is ready the student shall appear
Is this on Acast? I can't listen to UA-cam in my car :/
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@@johntangney3553 thanks!!
I don't think that yellow/turquouise and up will be able to be categorised as left or right wing.
Andrew Cohen.
Why did you invoke Andrew here?
@@michaelnice93 because it's an example of his poor judgement.
@@michaelnice93 I don't think much of his judgement. I saw where Cohen was heading as early as 1990.
You could say the same of heidegger. Yet he is one of the strongest (mostly studied) philosophers to this day
Martin
Ya I understand. Andrew is problematic. Ken and Andrew both took the idea that life evolves and applied it to the spiritual development of humanity. They made the mistake of assuming that we are all evolving towards enlightenment. It’s the most naive and hopeful error and definitely not helpful.
Ken looks like a newly hatched baby bird.
😂
a bewilbering intellect-- so far beyond my ken
PROFESSOR IRWIN COREY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The clearest thinking to me is the focus on Jesus Christ and why He came and what He did and who He is . This I have contemplated and found to be incredible , it has changed my life but yes my mind is quite far behind as I realize why He came to set us free . I do get glimpses of this and it’s divine to remain there . And I look at the earth I am weary at the futility at hand but the wretched cycle of waste hidden under the term affluence . What does it profit a man if he gains the world but loses his own soul ? We can see the definition of this played out in the new and in the streets and in the lifecycle of many . The works of great men can be admired but what about the finished work of one that offered you eternal life and has it to give by His power ?
Most have not truly heard the gospel of Jesus , they have seen the name and heard and seen the weak participants of such . Being weak is human but to strive for truth is divine . What is truth defined ? For me it is Christ Jesus and Him risen from the dead who gave me a new life . I’ve been born again through His spirit to newness of life . I am a new creature in Christ , I am now goi g to glorify Him in my body while I still reside on earth and I will be bound by His Word . Will I do it perfect ? No I can’t , nobody can . Is the student greater than the master ? No
Set apart some time to enter into a life that begins and ends in eternity . This is not that bogus fakery you have seen on TV , it’s not about charlatans and wanna be’s . It’s about one man who was GOD in the flesh , He reveals himself in the Bible and I can attest that He is real and He transformed my life and made me whole again and set me free .
“Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. Use hospitality one to another without grudging. As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.”
1 Peter 4:1-19 KJV
www.bible.com/1/1pe.4.1-19.kjv
Poor John ... brain fried
Charlie and the chocklate faktory!
If Wilber believes liberal values (which so often are simple anthropocentrism based on the conception of man as a pure self devoid of natural and cultural differential properties) have something to do with spiritual enlightenment, he's deeply confused.
Thank God he's got you on hand to set him straight.
@@johntangney3553 Great argument!
Man doesn't exist, nor anything else you THINK of..... HELLO!!!!!!
Not enjoying the divisive definitions. Both Democrats ( not necessarily “liberals”) and Republicans(not necessarily “conservatives”) can be and are committed to varying “traditions “ and philosophies. I’m a democrat whose very committed to my Christian faith, very family oriented, believe in the power of self-determination, BUT also realize the limitations and struggles of living in an oppressive society. There are no black and whites here at all. You don’t have to agree with everything put forth in a bill for it to move forward. Often times, you agree with what you see as the fundamentals of it and all the add-ons attached move with it because you more soundly agree with the initial fundamentals.
I’m just saying, if your quality of life (not existence, but life) were only contingent upon your own work ethic, education (whether via organized education or self initiated trainings), faith, and love for family, we would live in a much better world. BUT there is this thing called society that we all must contend with. Some are able to navigate it well and some aren’t and those that aren’t may not be lacking at all; they’re just outside of what some would prefer to view as “the norm” or “their norm.” They’re outside of particular comfort zones and as a result are treated and dealt with in extremely oppressive ways. To refuse to deal with this, to continually blame individuals, and to keep renaming perspectives means that we can’t take the next step forward. Not in love and certainly not in truth.
Call it what you will...........
He talks a lot. Or more so he has an abundance to tell. He doesn't have any questions left I guess. No more inquiry.
I'm pretty sure he has questions he is just trying to tell the interviewer what he currently know and believes.
i voted for hillaery. i'm developedment yes!
FOR ALIENS 1:09:48 this is how we came to be cool and not violent okay thanks bye
say huh?
Call it arrogance narcissistic... But if Mr wilber validate your way of thinking, you must have graduated from the school of life with high Mentions.
Consciousness does not evolve
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Wow. People can bother thinking about such stuff, let alone talk for hours... what a waste of time.
Please don't ever use the term, "Donald Trump's America" again.
It's not HIS in any way shape or form.
Vic Demise it is his as much as it is yours my friend. He just happens to be your president until the next elections.
Yes, we could all live in lack and denial like you Vic? or we could choose truth and abundance....
It’s pretty amazing how uninformed Ken is about today’s politics lol.