That experience happened for me out of nowhere, meaning, I wasn't seeking it (i didn't even know about it). My inner life has been changed completely. There is a "drive" that has accompanied it; the "drive" to help others.
The noble mirage: Enlightenment... To end all suffering! To bypass all emotional pain and trauma… Until... My body or my mind remind me they are there! I then feel like a failure-I need to seek more, try harder or even: “I am already enlightened I just have to be it.” More trips around the transcendence mountain... The only way off the trail is inside out! I must face my pain, look at my repressed emotions, and rediscover my authentic self...
I'm so glad he brought out apophatic theology. I was studying at a catholic university for counseling where I came across theosis and deification within the Catholic Church. I came to apophatic theology and only realized it last year. It's like the rational capacity for God dissolves and my very "conscious" relationship to God was dropped and no longer necessary. It was this realization that books are ancient artifacts when you are one with God.
Integral Spirit - I don’t think that we really need the Buddha to teach us that in our world, that does include greed, crime, corruption, violence, and injustice, there is pain and suffering. In this sweet talk, Ken Wilber reminds us that there is also the possibility of something greater than our pain and suffering. In the higher levels of spiritual experience, the embodied experience of freedom is bliss, that of fullness is love. This author is often found to use the term Love/Bliss/Ananda. Without some degree of connection to these ways of being it is very difficult to struggle to try to make our communities and world a better place.
I so enjoy Ken as a teacher, so many spiritual insights and to touch on what he said about embodiment. . In one of my most enjoyable meditations I experienced being directly in the vault of the cosmos viewing stars and clusters of stars that emanated clouds of the most fantastic colors. This has led me to believe that consciousness creates everything...and without consciousness nothing exists. In other words there is no outer world but it is a manifestation of consciousness. I wonder if anyone else has had this experience. Please share.
Kundalini. Experiencing yourself as Shiva, a bean of light, in perfect harmony, with no beginning and no end. Everything else is the Veil of Maya, an illusion.
I had a Kundalini experience in a Temple in SE Asia a few years ago. I had it before I had heard of such a thing. it was profound to say the least. Now I am trying to find people who understand the reality I now live in. I am glad to hear these ideas.
Thank you Ken you’ve described my experience of leaving religion via seeking truth through the magic & mythologies into reason & it seems so clear to me but not others to hear to explain it is extremely refreshing especially the mystical experience aspect which is how I found your exceptional works. I’m finding that that being too in touch with my shadow is causing me anxiety and yet I don’t want to go back to sleep. What comes next?
The anxiety won't go away for a while. Get comfortable with it. Find new (rational) friends who love and support you. Keep being friendly, kind and open minded. That's what I have to say... Good Luck, bro.
I wish Ken - would be more Sufism - inclusive. He does not seem averse -- but he seems less informed about it --- than Buddhism, -- or Christianity. Which is natural I guess, -- but it is equally natural for me to want him to have explored my tradition more. This was beautiful regardless.
this cleared up some confusion but I still don't quite understand what the subtle state is. When someone experiences oneness with a deity form, does that experience only happen in the dream state?
@Bruh Moment: Maybe approach it by an analogy (?) You can experience colors manifested in objects -- red apple, red stop sign, etc. But you can also experience red light in itself (from a prism or neon light). The latter is a more "subtle state" of color than the former . . .
That experience happened for me out of nowhere, meaning, I wasn't seeking it (i didn't even know about it). My inner life has been changed completely. There is a "drive" that has accompanied it; the "drive" to help others.
For some reason I thought Ken was dead. I'm glad he is still alive.
Ken's health has clearly improved since this was recorded. It's good to see!
The noble mirage:
Enlightenment...
To end all suffering!
To bypass all emotional pain and trauma…
Until...
My body or my mind remind me they are there!
I then feel like a failure-I need to seek more, try harder or even:
“I am already enlightened I just have to be it.”
More trips around the transcendence mountain...
The only way off the trail is inside out!
I must face my pain, look at my repressed emotions, and rediscover my authentic self...
I'm so glad he brought out apophatic theology. I was studying at a catholic university for counseling where I came across theosis and deification within the Catholic Church. I came to apophatic theology and only realized it last year.
It's like the rational capacity for God dissolves and my very "conscious" relationship to God was dropped and no longer necessary.
It was this realization that books are ancient artifacts when you are one with God.
Integral Spirit - I don’t think that we really need the Buddha to teach us that in our world, that does include greed, crime, corruption, violence, and injustice, there is pain and suffering. In this sweet talk, Ken Wilber reminds us that there is also the possibility of something greater than our pain and suffering. In the higher levels of spiritual experience, the embodied experience of freedom is bliss, that of fullness is love. This author is often found to use the term Love/Bliss/Ananda. Without some degree of connection to these ways of being it is very difficult to struggle to try to make our communities and world a better place.
I so enjoy Ken as a teacher, so many spiritual insights and to touch on what he said about embodiment. . In one of my most enjoyable meditations I experienced being directly in the vault of the cosmos viewing stars and clusters of stars that emanated clouds of the most fantastic colors. This has led me to believe that consciousness creates everything...and without consciousness nothing exists. In other words there is no outer world but it is a manifestation of consciousness. I wonder if anyone else has had this experience. Please share.
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Kundalini. Experiencing yourself as Shiva, a bean of light, in perfect harmony, with no beginning and no end. Everything else is the Veil of Maya, an illusion.
I had a Kundalini experience in a Temple in SE Asia a few years ago. I had it before I had heard of such a thing. it was profound to say the least. Now I am trying to find people who understand the reality I now live in. I am glad to hear these ideas.
Love you Corey and love you Ken
this is a marvelous video. thank you integral life. thankyouthankyouthankyou.
A profound and complex subject presented clearly in a short punch. May require watching twice :-)
KEN is a great SOUL and a great man, is EVER an ispiration listen his talks...real SATSANG...
Thank you Ken you’ve described my experience of leaving religion via seeking truth through the magic & mythologies into reason & it seems so clear to me but not others to hear to explain it is extremely refreshing especially the mystical experience aspect which is how I found your exceptional works. I’m finding that that being too in touch with my shadow is causing me anxiety and yet I don’t want to go back to sleep. What comes next?
The anxiety won't go away for a while. Get comfortable with it. Find new (rational) friends who love and support you. Keep being friendly, kind and open minded. That's what I have to say... Good Luck, bro.
The anxiety can vanish and go away instantly when you Surrender!!
I am right there with you my friend.
thank you! :)
Awesome video! I've been trying to clarify where the "witness" fits in with terms like "causal" and "dharmakaya." I totally get it now. :)
Love Ken!
My suggestion would be looking at the videos that "School of Life" does on UA-cam. I think that might engage more people.
Which book should I read to directly listen to that? I don’t need fluff
I wish Ken - would be more Sufism - inclusive.
He does not seem averse -- but he seems less informed about it --- than Buddhism, -- or Christianity.
Which is natural I guess, -- but it is equally natural for me to want him to have explored my tradition more.
This was beautiful regardless.
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Are these the highest levels he knows about?
this cleared up some confusion but I still don't quite understand what the subtle state is. When someone experiences oneness with a deity form, does that experience only happen in the dream state?
@Bruh Moment: Maybe approach it by an analogy (?) You can experience colors manifested in objects -- red apple, red stop sign, etc. But you can also experience red light in itself (from a prism or neon light). The latter is a more "subtle state" of color than the former . . .
@@QED_ Does deity mysticism only happen in dreams?
@@bruhmoment3731 Deity Yoga is a specific practice in Tibetan Buddhism (for example) . . .
@@QED_ No. I'm not talking about Deity Yoga. I'm talking about deity mysticism which is one of the 4 types of mystical experiences.
So I am ness is basically.. I just forgot
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Best talk from Ken I've heard in years. Thank you.