What Some Christians Get Wrong About Money
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Give me neither poverty nor riches. For if I grow rich, I may deny and say, "Who is the Lord?" But if I am too poor I may steal and thus insult God's holy name. - Proverbs 30:8-9
Amen❤
This is the verse that came to my mind as soon as I saw the title. I haven't watched the video yet, but I'm guessing it's people defending money. Little do they know that you can't eat money but faith will sustain you.
They're both crosses I would say. There are many Saints who were dirt poor, but there were many that were Kings. Both come with their own set of temptations.
Don't worry what dam people think tgey r mean as hell u don't worry
@@WoodRabbitTaoist bull
Dave and Jade, thank you for taking the time to talk to me about this. I will never forget this conversation and will continue the journey to build wealth and create a new family tree while still glorifiying GOD and know he provides it all.
Praying for you and your family to be blessed.
Build wealth & make a difference for Him!
Go forth!!! And make your money
lil Sis in Christ❤❤❤❤❤
Boom 💥 and remember it’s all His. Such a good call and you brought out such an excellent teaching point for Dave to go off on…and he did!
God bless
You come here to money advice and end up hearing the Gospel! That’s a show I wanna listen to! ❤
This is not the Gospel.. .
@@boogotti1173”No one comes to the Father except through the Son…” Yes, the gospel was presented here.
@@johannad9882 that's not the gospel Either. U and I broke Gods law and Jesus paid the fine. U have to repent of your sins. And trust in Jesus like u trust a parachute.. and then he will Regenerate your heart.
He did not preach the gospel, he, handled GOD'S word very deceitfully and you fail for it
Amen!❤❤❤
My pastor always says that it's okay to have money as long as it doesn't have you. We are not a wealthy church but we do help others as much as we can. I love helping people!
My pastor says the same! He also says he will never talk about tithing because that’s between us and the Lord.
Does your pastor Tickle your ears or does he preach bible truth about hell and sin.
I grew up in a Church that is now considered a "mega-church", and I choose to only attend smaller churches now. In my current church, there is so much fellowship, love, and sharing of the Gospel. Additionally, the church body also has numerous ministry opportunities in giving our time to others such as: helping the poor directly by partnering with a local Christian Food Bank where we can volunteer to feed and fellowship with the homeless. We assist anyone who struggles to find employment, and more. It is a wonderful feeling to give back, and to do as God commands us to do.
@boogotti1173 do you recall that Jesus Christ saved a woman from being stoned to death for committing adultery? Why would He do that if there shouldn't be a balance between mercy and justice?
I get what you're trying to say but as much as someone can be too lenient about sin, you can also be too harsh about it too. Jesus Christ sat in the company of society's "outcasts" and "sinners". He helped a lot of people that society deemed "unworthy" at the time. You know who He didn't spend much time with? Those who unjustly and unfairly passed judgement on others. He rarely gave them the time of day, except to correct them. Jesus Christ makes it clear that we need to repent of sin. He also makes it very clear that He loves us. If you cannot make it clear that you want people to repent AND that you love them, you are not acting as a good example of Jesus Christ. You need both in order to encourage and inspire REAL change in others. You can hardly beat and batter others with words to force them into change.
Good luck just telling them they are sinners and are going to hell.
@@andrewmarshall7569Our church do the same. It's weird,its non profit but still able to do all of it.
Best teaching I've heard from Dave Ramsey. What must "I" do to be saved? "I" can't do anything to be saved. It is all because of God's grace.
Acts
So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household(each individually).
Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
WRONG!!! YOU MUST ACT FIRST!!! Then Jesus forgives your sins and accepts you through your faith. BUT...there is still MORE that Jesus said we must do!! To say that "I can't do anything to be saved"
@@josephcernansky1794 Of course not.
to become saved we "obey" God by believing on the Son.
If we are doing something to help him save us, then we are literally elevating ourselves to be equal with Him. He is God manifested in the flesh. He did the deeds of living a perfect, sinless life and dying on the cross to atone for our sin debt. Then said, It is finished.
We trust that he says he is who he says he is, and in what he did.
We receive the holy spirit.
Then we "work" to follow him obeying his ways and not sinning (shouldn't have the desire to sin and behave the same way as before). We will never be perfect though(hence why we need Jesus imputed righteousness). Of most importance in our being a servant of his is spreading the gospel.
@@josephcernansky1794 Perhaps take some time and immerse yourself in a study of justification versus sanctification. Also, the differences between the Great White Throne and the Bema Seat.
Christ told the rich young ruler to sell all he had because it was a barrier to him being able to see and understand. It's not money itself that's evil or bad it's the love of it that's idolatry. Money is just a tool to get through this world and having a lot is a good thing if your priorities are right. Wished there were a lot more rich Christians because they know what money is for. It's for the preservation of your house and to be charitable with so that even G_D's enemies will praise Him because of you especially when they are in need. Who knows maybe even win some for His glory. Money takes a certain wisdom that I wished Christians had more of. It's stewardship. If your called to be generous then be generous. Nothing is lost when done for the Lord.
I didn’t know Dave did sermons but I’m here for it
He did an actual sermon through LifeChurch and it was great, if you haven’t seen it
lol. Me neither. He was preaching! My only thing is, and I could be wrong but I think he also teaches tithing? Other than that, he is preaching good!
@@sherrifortson6810Tithing is biblical though
He is just a money makeing man
@@Rook98766 Bruh, lol we all are money making Men. How else do you support you life and family. lol. Good Lord.
Amazing. I really enjoy when he says "being, rich is not holy, poor is not holy; holy is holy"
“Poverty is the Royal Virtue”
St Francis
On point.
That's for the Bishop or others... That work on Church...
Yeah, that really answers a lot.
🙄. Could you be any more vague??
Satan is lying to u. Get saved and run to Jesus for salvation before it's too late for u..
In my life, I have observed that some Christians have tended to boast about their wealth and look down on others that didn’t have it. I believe that God wants to bless us in every way, but always stay humble and kind.
Best said
It happens all of the time.
I'm worried because my husband is going into a line of work that could make a good chunk of money and I don't want us to become those kind people who show their wealth. I've seen too many women at church with Louis Vuitton bags (most of which cost anywhere around $1000 and more) and wondered who they could've fed or helped with that amount of money.
I@@youtubecommentator6023 you don't know how many people they are feeding. It's not up to you to judge how pepople manage their wealth, it's up to you to manage your heart, that's it.
You need to stop worrying about others and focus on yourself. If you spend your mental energy focusing on a sinful world you handicap yourself. Go do good things and stop worrying about what people think!
He opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble
I mostly agree with Dave except when he said poor people don’t feed people. Poor people are often the most generous because they know it feels to struggle.
Many poor people may have generous hearts and give of what they have but I think he means they don't have the means to feed the poor in large quantities. It's the rich who do.
But of course all things are possible to him who believes.
He was making a point about proportion, obviously. Yes, one poor person can cooks a little extra and maybe feed 1-2 other poor people, but not much more than that and not for very long. Plus, in American anymore there really isn't any such thing as "poor people" unless you're on drugs or have a mental illness: anyone willing to live by a very simple set of expectations like don't do drugs and be a decent person can find food, shelter, clothing, and utilities: all the basics are covered. And have you noticed a lot of "poor people" in the USA aren't exactly skinny? Many are obese because they spend their food stamps on highly processed food and easy to fix stuff that has little nutritional value but tons of calories. It's hard to argue that there's a starvation problem in the USA, even with so-called "food deserts" which really just means you might have to travel 5 miles to get fresh food. Oh the horror! Our ancestors who walked 20 miles a day thought nothing of it, but today it's a violation of your Constitutional Rights if someone doesn't deposit fresh fruit and veggies on your door step.... anyway, rant over.
The point is Dave's talking about feeding hundreds and thousands of people in countries where people literally starve to death if no rich person steps in. The poor aren't sending $10,000 a month to a town in the Philippine to feed 500 people.
You can’t do much for yourself, let alone anyone else when you’re poor.
Jesus was the poorest no home and barely any money, and feed thousands in one sitting. Many rich people can not manage that. Exception to Ramsey saying.
Ys but that isn’t what he means… he’s talking about feeding the large populations of poor.. it takes loads of money to do it so it isn’t the poor that feeds the poor.. yes it is true that the poor are usually the most generous and will feed those in front of of them.. but they don’t feeds thousands of people starving at once…
This pride in being poor confounds me. Jesus wants you to be self sufficient and able to give charity. You can't do that when you're a charity case.
What a stupid comment.
Essentially dissing EVERY Christian in 3rd world countries who are poor simply from not having the freedoms you obviously take for granted. I would NOT want be your soul on judgment day 😅
@tracym8952 👍
He also wanted you to have slaves and value a woman less than a man. Who cares what that nut wanted.
Well said.
Being poor you can also give charity
I just love Dave’s straight talk. Our world needs the clarity of the truth to cut through the junk out there. 👏🏼
What Dave is saying is junk.... He's a liar
@@ElijahDavis41why?
@@cheyenneoliver5835 Because he's lying and handling the word of GOD deceitfully
@ElijahDavis41 I think you will find there are many many ways of interpreting the bible, hence why there are so many religions. Atleast Dave is a good human being.
“You’re going to come into contact with ignorant people your whole life”
Oh man! How true. Lol
Job was the wealthiest man in the region. In Acts, the believers met in each other's houses, showing that they owned houses. Some sold them, but most evidently did not, and they used those houses as a blessing. In Proverbs 13:22, "a good man leaves an inheritance for his children's children," which means he's wealthy - and is called a "good" man.
Wealth is wrong only when it becomes an idol and is more important to you than serving God and others. Using wealth to support missions, give to others, etc. is something we see in the Bible as a good thing.
Yes!
Thank you! You got it! God wants us to be abundant, cultivate abundance and be a good steward of abundance he gives us! Abundance includes financial. Idk why ppl can’t get it!
I'm not a Christian but respect Dave for not being either pro poverty or on the prosperity gospel bandwagon.
Prosperity gospel is so evil. It's horrific
Repent and believe the Gospel bro. You know it’s true. You just don’t want to give up your sin.
@@JB-ku7kvstop telling people what they do or don't believe. You don't even know that persons name, let alone their thoughts. Stop letting religion hijack your mind
@@JB-ku7kv Save it for church buddy.
@@MotownModelsBoth of y'all need to get saved!!!
I needed to see this! I'm a veteran who receives a pension and a lot of people are asking me why don't I just live on that? No!!! I'm young I can still work, contribute to others, and live holy while making investments. Praise God I'm here for a purpose, we all are and money is just a tool to do God's work!
Amen!
I'll give you the midwestern version of amen, YOU BETCHA!
Beautiful attitude. And thank you for serving our country.
The best comment you just made, "money is just a tool to do God's work". Those of us who live in the USA have the ability to take our God given ambition and make that profitable and then have the ability to bless others. (really it blesses us more though. I love how God works...)
Vicki, thanks for your service to our country. Go thrive in life. You earned that pension, do w it how you see fit.
Sadly, many preachers can't explain this as well as he can. Everyone needs to hear this.
Because many preachers just think about money.
Amen
Sad part is he's a liar and you can't see it
@@ElijahDavis41Examples?
@@jimfinigan1681 Examples?
The Bible says that it is the LOVE of money (not money) that's the root of all evil. When you take the TEXT out of the CONTEXT, you leave behind a CON. This is why so many Christians have been conned into wrong believing. Dave is right.
According to google, it’s the root of all KINDS of evil, not the root of all evil. Wouldn’t make sense for money to be the root of all evil because Eve bit the Apple before money was invented, I think
🗣️ PREACH!!! The lack of knowledge causes people to perish!!!
@@adr3naline23he wants you to take care of yourself.
I don't know what "stacking" money means.
If you are financially independent it only helps you to live more confidently rather than be beholden to money to live on.
@@adr3naline23I want to hold my breath on the "coming back to destroy it all" idea. Destroying it all has nothing to do with it anyhow. I thought Jesus was coming back to bring people to heaven.
Awesome statement about context 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
1Tim 5
But if someone does not provide for his own, especially his own family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever
Genesis 38: 8-10
Worse than a non believer? Cmon
Romans 10:9 if you declare with your mouth "Jesus is Lord" and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
This book always contradicting itself.
Just how bad is an unbeliever? Asking for a friend.
@@johnengland8619ikr?!? Guess we aren’t welcome here - cuz we bad! It’s a bit of a double standard that unbelievers have to respect all religions but we can be criticized as being “worse than”? Worse than what? How bad are we? Can’t we all just get along?
Greed and the love of money is wrong. Being smart with money is good. Having money allows us to be more generous.
True
Poor people can also love money even if they dont have it
Being rich and hoarding wealth or spending money on things you don't really need or on luxury when there are poor people among us is very much against Jesus' teachings. There's no way around that.
@@SirArghPirateAmen
What is the difference exactly, though?
I would like to add that "the eye of the needle" was the name of a very small gate to the city where the Camels had to get down on their knees and they had to remove all the baggage from the cammel. We just think of the eye of the needle as an actual needle.
This needs to be pinned to the top!
I have had the incredible blessing to know several crazy wealthy STRONG Christians who were absolutely saved .... And absolutely crazy wealthy..... And I had the pleasure of seeing how God used them to do truly miraculous things with that wealth..... "generous" could NEVER even to begin to describe. They gave away things and money that most people never knew about and in sizes that very few people were ever permitted to know.
It was humbling and awe inspiring all at once.
What a ridiculous statement.
It’s not wrong to build wealth just do it biblically and ethically
It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye if a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
@@76ersALLDAY Just the type of comments that comes from humans. Humans wrote the stories.
I dunno, listening to Dave’s explanation, it was want too convincing, really seems like a convenient justification. Did Jesus live in a big house and drive a fancy chariot like Dave does?
But the Bible is unethical.
@@76ersALLDAY It depends on your reasoning for building wealth. Is it for selfish ambition? Is it to fill a void in your life? Is it because you worship money? Or is it to help your family, help the poor etc?
Read the parable of the talents. It was the hard working earners who were rewarded.
Yes. The one who didn't invest. who just buried the money in a hole, got his money taken away from him.
@@stephengamber7000probably got taxed into oblivion by the Government and then inflation got him 😂
Yeah hard workers for advancing the kingdom of God. Not working hard for money,
It's a parable about using the gifts (talents) that GOD gives us.... Not about investing money. That's why it used the word "talents" and not "money". But carnally minded people will hear "money" in this scripture because that's where their mind is. "Where your treasure is their will your heart be also" (Mat 6:21). For to be carnally minded is death but to be spiritually minded is life and peace (Rom 8:6-8). The parable about the master, the servants and the talents was about bearing fruit using the gifts (talents) that GOD gives us and those who use their gifts (talents)and bear fruit, GOD will give those servants more. But to those who don't use their gift/gifts (talents) but make excuses as to why they didn't use them, GOD will take their gifts (talents) away.
Think the ‘talents’ in this parable can represent the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We are instructed to take this Gospel and share it with others in order that people would hear and believe and the Kingdom of Jesus might increase. This parable shows us that to receive the gift of the Gospel and simply hide it, is wrong.
Not about materialism...
Thank you Dave 👏🏽 too many of us Christians on this wealth building journey are often guilt tripped into believing God does not come first in our lives.
1 Cor 7:21... "If you were a slave when you were called, don't worry about it, BUT... if you can get free, WHY WOULDN'T YOU!!??" Thanks, Paul.
I’m old enough to say the only person that ever held me back, was myself.
Very good point.
Rich people provide jobs, at businesses they own. Rich people own houses that they rent out. Rich people donate money. You can choose to be a good person while being rich or you can become a politician. But good rich people provide for the poor.
I was drowning in debt for years and thought like they did about money. I'm glad to say we followed Dave's advice and will be debt-free next year. The one thing that would always trouble me was that my wife and I couldn't help anyone because of making foolish choices with His resources. God put it on our hearts to give, but we couldn't. If we're all meant to be broke, as some believe, who will help others?
I've been to some churches where pastor preached this "being poor is good" mentality. Worst part is people seem to love it.
It's because they are poor and the pastor makes them feel good about their situation.
@@jasonrodgers9063 no, it's because he wants to manipulate them that tithing makes them good christians
@@jasonrodgers9063 thats what I thought too
@@jasonrodgers9063 Basically. And I'm not saying it's the same for everyone, but a lot of those same people are poor because of the poor life choices they made. And to hear it from someone with some sort of apparent authority helps them justify in their minds their irresponsible lifestyle and life choices. Everyone seems to forget the parable of the Talents. What God makes us stewards of he will hold us accountable for how responsible we were with it and there will be consequences both good and bad depending on how we administered it.
Mother Theresa….
Don’t listen to people’s misinterpretations of the Bible. Read the Bible, have your own relationship with God and follow your own path
Blanket statements are tough to nail, but i'd say you nailed that one.
You mention path, it literally says the word of the Lord is a lamp onto my feet, and a light unto my path. Then you see in John one Jesus is the Word made flesh, BUT in John 14 he says it’s better that he goes to heaven to be our advocate before the father so the Holy Spirit can be the one who enlightened us inside us. That said, do not neglect the gathering with other believers, that is something Scripture says, yes we are to pray that the Holy Spirit in lightens us to the scripture and we don’t have to believe everything everyone says, but we do have to keep being iron to others sharpening them and letting them sharpen us. Keep in physical community, even Jesus came in the flesh and lived among us. We can handle being among all types of people seeking God too.
Don’t listen to people’s misinterpretations of the Bible but create your own misinterpretations by following your own path. Totally makes sense
Follow Jesus
Does the Bible say to follow your own path tho?
It’s the wealthy families and their contributions that keep my child’s tuition low at her parochial school.
What annoys me are those that celebrate their poverty…because they made STUPID financial decisions. I’m sorry, but if you’re covering up your financial stupidity by thinking that you are earning grace, then you are horribly wrong because there’s another passage of the three servants and the talons.
I had someone at church tell me you can't not go through life without a car payment. I just kept my mouth shut.
We need more churches to teach about stewardship
Exactly! Being a good steward of what God has blessed you with is taught throughout Scripture.
Right, as if the world is persecuting them and it somehow makes them more worthy or something.
Talents not talons but you got the right idea 😊
Dave, is simply a wise, knowledgeable and beautiful person, thanks Dave!
@@colnathanrjessup687 LOL Its all good
And worth over 55 million 😮
Thank you Mr.Ramsey, I’m first gen in America, my siblings and I attended college / my parents never did - we come from a very poor background in Honduras and I see this mindset instilled in my parents still - often talking down on the rich and what not. . . My dad worked hard to get us here in America - I pray I see the day where I can obtain financial freedom and give back to him, and the poor. God bless.
Jealousy has a lot to do with the comments other Christians make to you. I could give you a lot of examples but I think you understand. You're doing the right things. Ignore the jealous people and keep doing what you're doing.
Luke 12 : 48 ... to those much is given, much is expected..
Yup. Being wealthy will have a lot of responsibility attached to it. Some aren't mature enough or spiritually equipped to handle wealth.
Dave gave a better sermon on money than majority of the pastors. lol…
You're going to come in contact with ignorant people your whole life. Loved it
lmaaaooooooo I read this comment right as he spoken it 🤯😂 what a crazy coincidence
The simplest trick is to give 10% to the church before you become wealthy. This helps keep your priorities aligned. If you don't give when you are poor, you probably won't give when you are rich.
Facts!
Tithe and offerings, the Bible says
And going through your trials and tribulations that God puts us through, which trains us not to walk in lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life
This is a terrible idea. Churches are tax-exempt and a lot of church leaders are p3d0s, if not straight up scam artists preying on scared people. Don't donate to churches. God does not give a damn if you give 10% of your money to a scam artist. No matter how much money you have, you leave it all when you die. And it's not like you aren't "giving" your money out and sitting on a 100M pile of cash. It is invested in companies that employ others. Your money trickles down. Just don't use your money to do bad stuff.
What a scam. The church teaches that you need to give money to them in order to get to heaven? Sounds like a racket to me.
@@jakecosenza69Corruot church used to demand money by using out of context scripture and manipulating the poor in order to get rich, I will not deny that. They were wrong and went against God in every way. The giving of money to church however stays and it helps keep churches open and fund foundations with which the church works with. Christians are meant to give to all who are in need.
@@jakecosenza69no that’s actually not what it teaches. Maybe instead of trying to put words in the Bible’s mouth you should just stay quiet when you have no idea what you are talking about.
4:18 For clarity of reference, when Dave says "Deuteronomy 18", he goes on to quote Deuteronomy 8:18.
I was checking comments for it. Thanks
Thank you for that. I was mighty confused looking for this verse in my own Bible. Sure enough, here it is ... Righteous.
You can be wealthy and humble; or you can be "rich" in your mind(believing you have the ability to do anything on your own).
People misinterpret the “camel through the eye of a needle” verse all the time. It really has nothing to do with money and everything to do with status. The Jews of Jesus’ time believed that if you were rich, God was looking favorably on you as a person. The result was that the rich held their status in such high regard that they became prideful and arrogant to the less fortunate around them. It takes humility and repentance to reach heaven. Those who are filled with pride won’t make it there, because they’ll be too invested in themselves to repent for their faults.
Too much pride to humble themselves to believe on Jesus as their savior.
The world says "seeing is believing", God says, Believe and then he will reveal himself to you(so true).
Just another example of you can interpret "the Bible " however you want.
I also was in this situation, with debts and little money. It took years for God to make me understand, actually understand, that money is not the root of all evil, but LOVE of money. He showed me exactly what Ramsey said, how can you help around you if you don't have the money to even help yourself? I had a friend who had no money, but she needed money to pay for her mama's funeral. I went into debt for her because I wanted to help her. And that was a clicking moment. I wasn't free to help anyone because I was a slave to money. Not because I had so much money, but because I had none of it. So many other clicking moments. How can you work for the kingdom if you don't have the tools? And money is certainly a tool.
I'm Orthodox Christian, and such narrative is dominant here also. Poor people can't even help to themselves, how can they help others? I gave up the idea that I must leave in luxury, that's not the point of life. It's ok to have to do productive job and have a lot of money, and do something useful with it, by donating to others who struggle, and teach them how to fix their lives
Did Jesus go around telling the poor to help others?
Since camels were heavily loaded with goods and riders, they would need to be un-loaded in order to pass through the gateway of the city aka the eye of a needle. Therefore, the analogy is that a rich man would have to similarly unload his material possessions in order to enter heaven. Doesn't mean having money is wrong. Just that this man loved his possessions and wasn't willing to put Jesus first.
Thank you!! That’s it!! Money isn’t evil. It’s just a tool! It’s when we choose money over God is the when the issues come!
I think the eye of the needle is referred to the side door in a walled city that stays open at night when the main gates are closed. A camel would have to be unloaded then pushed through to get through these small doors.
This is a myth. All Christian archeologists agree, The smaller door in a gateway, was not called the "eye of the needle," and there never was a gateway called "the eye of the needle" in Jerusalem.
This was the single most important mindset shift that helped me when I first found Dave 6 years ago; that I wouldn't be doing something wrong, evil and/or selfish by striving for better finances.. sounds so odd saying that now but it was a game changer if you've been subjected to the wrong echo chambers growing up. Thank you Dave! You're not alone, Alessia! God bless you :)
It is the very same people who misquote 1st Timothy 6:10. the passage reads: "...For the love of money is the root of all evil..." Not the commonly used "Money is the root of all evil". The wording is so important. Please dont let people guilt trip you into poverty.
As a Christian, I'm so tired of Christians who are bums. I've also had conversations with Christians who have said because I want to be successful, somehow that's an idol.
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You should talk to fewer of the dumb Christians.
Even better, let's just have you talk to fewer dumb people. Christian or otherwise. I'm sorry if these are your family members.
It is a wonderful thing to isolate yourself from fools. I highly recommend it.
I might start with getting some separation from anyone who says "something is an idol' in a biblical sense. That is a weird thing to say that should be kept at church and possibly at home. It shouldn't be used to help someone in life.
Depends on how you are defining success.
@@jamisojo Yeah it's hard to take someone seriously that says that. It tells me they don't understand what idols are. They're ANYTHING that you put ahead of God in your heart. That's not a specific thing and you can have something as an idol, but then realize it, put God first and it's no longer an idol.
I always wondered if the rich young ruler did choose Christ in the end.
He went from this encounter sorrowful, but that does not prevent him from pondering and prayer to a change of heart.
I know that I often take multiple teachings to learn a lesson and the scriptures only account for this 1 meeting. They dont record the rest of his story.
He died and that was the end of it. He didnt go to heaven or hell because those dont exist and this person likely didnt either as the story was made up.
We don't know. But if he was sorrowful he would have had some belief in Christ.
It’s not wrong to build wealth. Building wealth and helping others is doing God’s work.
Joel Osteen goes afther there money heard he puts money behind the church walls they found it fake
I'm not a Christian but I love the perspective that we don't actually own our wealth/possessions, but we are managing it for God.
That's not a Dave saying, he got that straight out of the Bible!
Thanks for breaking down that verse and adding some context to it. I've been struggling with that fallacy about wealth being un-Christian as well. Dave, you are the best!
Dave NAILS it here. 🎉
No he doesn't. You and Dave are condemned without a savior
@@boogotti1173 You didn't watch the video did you? I've never seen so much ignorance condensed into so few words before.
@@bjugler oh I watched it. He had a false conversion.. what about u . Where are u in it
He sure does. He's an upcoming prosperity preacher to the oversaturated American capitalism industry.
Shame that Americans can do anything for a buck.
Let's NOT Forget that we are ALREADY RICH Beyond our Comprehension because we have JESUS CHRIST as our LORD and SAVIOR!!! Wealth is FLEETING, PER THE WORD!!! It is about WHERE your TRUST IS, is it in your Money OR in The SAVING WORK of JESUS CHRIST??!!! TRUTH!!! And YES, Our Money is NOT OUR OWN, it is a GIFT FROM JESUS, Let's NOT Forget THAT!!
There’s a difference between building wealth and being greedy!
I appreciate everything in the answer. There’s so much in it I have to listen to it again. I will read the book Dave mentioned.
Well said Dave! it's very sad how some people think it is a sin to become wealthy....that is not at all what the Bible says and that Bible says the opposite. It is God's Will for us to Not be a Slave to Debt (Proverbs 22:7), to pay back our debts as fast as we can (Proverbs 37:21 & Exodus 22:25-26), to Save and invest our money (Proverbs 21:20, Proverbs 13:11, 1 Corithians 16:2), be generous with our money (2 Corithains 9:7 & Proverbs 22:9), and to AVOID the LOVE OF MONEY at all cost (1 Timothy 6:10 & Hebrews 13:5)
this lady needs to stop listening to people who either are ignorant of what the Bible Teaches about money and/or intentionally twist God's word on this topic to guilt people who desire to follow God's will regarding money
It is NOT a sin to become wealthy at all but it is a Sin if you desire to become wealthy for self-centered motives and to boast about it, which this caller is not doing at all. she's desires to become wealthy for the right reasons
Exactly brother
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None of that is real.
@@jmorris023 and how do you know that? or is that just your opinion?
God is Real and Jesus dying on the Cross to save people from their Sin is True and Historically Accurate my Friend
@@jmorris023 if you have something to say, why don't you say it clearly?
Its not a sin to be wealthy its a sin to be greedy and or worship money
The ultra wealthy are greedy though. Even the stock market is motivated by fear and greed.
Yes hence the 'LOVE' of money that the bible mentions. Money itself isn't an issue.
@@EsiriE Sounds like cope to me. If you are greedy then just own it. Stop trying to hide behind being righteous. If you follow Jesus, it is clear that he didn't give two shits about money of any kind.
@@matthewphillips5483 no, you’re biblically illiterate. You “religious” people think poverty is soo righteous and wealth is a sin and that’s fake humility
@@matthewphillips5483 the bible discusses money in great detail.
Thank you so much!
That was exactly what I was struggling with and thinking about today
It amazes me that some people are always in the free line, asking to borrow money or just asking someone else for money, but they never go to people who's struggling like them, instead they go to people who have discipline themselves to obtain wealth on some level and then say they are evil and greedy because they are wealthy!
My friend, don't ask a rich man how to follow Jesus. Follow Jesus. It's good to be free from debt, but not to love money and pursue wealth.
When my mother says “god will provide for me”. I want to scream. She’s forcing me to fund her retirement because she’s irresponsible
It’s not fair that she supports missionaries and donates her money to the church when she doesn’t have it. I resent her, there is no honor in that
I wouldn't give her a dime if that is how she feels.
Release yourself from that silly guilt. Unless she is unwell in the head. If that is the case you might be able to get power over her finances.
You are correct; this behavior is not biblical.
My mother used to say: “the Lord helps those who help themselves”.
Wow. I thought this message was from me it’s so similar to my situation!
My mom had more than I do due to my illness. She donated every month to different causes. But as she got older, I started calling the political ones and ones that overpay CEOs and pretending to be her to take her off the mailing list.
Never tell anyone what you're doing with YOUR money. Those people giving her bad advice will one day ask her for money.
Recently heard a podcast of a young man who grew up in the slums in London and now is a millionaire through effort, commitment and dedication. But something he said left me in awe; “I wasn’t looking to be rich, I just didn’t want to be poor.”
Obviously, following Jesus is following His ways according to His gospel, but the intentions of the heart is something God always looks at.
True. Thank you for the very clear interpretation! Best I’ve heard! Worship the Lord, He will provide. (We still have to work.)
Im convinced too many Christian’s don’t really read their bibles…
Proverbs 21:20 NLT: The wise have wealth and luxury, but fools spend whatever they get.
wise have wealth and luxury. how they get wise? Fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom!
Thank you so much Pastor Dave Ramsey, am just filling myself with lost of knowledge each time I listen to you both ❤❤❤❤
Wow, what an incredible explanation. I'm so used to reading the story in two parts I never took the time to put it all together.
As a person who was raised Catholic/Christian but now considers himself to be a non-believer, I can say that people using scriptures like a hammer against others is both one of the most common things you'll encounter in organized religions, and one of the main reasons people leave them.
@TJ-rf1xl So you're are saying that using scriptures should not be done by christians? Huh?
@@Sheryl777scripture shouldn't be weaponized in order to make your point. I would put it that way.
I suppose it depends on the context in which it is used. It should inspire people and not be used to beat them into submission. (I don't know who would submit because they lost an argument anyhow)
@@jamisojo 👍 Agree that scripture shouldn't be used to beat people into submission! I post scriptures because first of all I believe in the scriptures, and second, I want people to know that being rich (alone) will not keep them out of heaven (as so many seem to believe when we read the comments). No, I am not rich, as people in the USA think of "rich", but I am rich when compared to many other people around the world, which proves that what we may think of as "middle class" in the US, people in much poorer countries would think of as being rich.
You should still read Scriptures. Don't let hypocrites come between you and Jesus
@@georgewagner7787it is all about Jesus is God and what He did. Don't focus on other people(professed "c hristians). Focus on Christ.
It’s not a sin to be rich. Rather it’s what you do with the money God has blessed you with. Christians can be jealous and judgmental about people who have money.
Sometimes the Christians are the ones with the money.
I guess I would just say people in general can be jealous of other people. Your faith identification doesn't make you a good or bad person in and of itself.
I agree! Now that I am on baby steps 4 & 6, it’s so easy to be generous since I have a financial foundation. ❤
Much appreciation for you Dave!!! You hit the nail on the head with this one. Thank you for common sense biblical literacy!!!
23 year old college student? Sounds like she's 65.
Religion will do that to you.
@@jmorris023 That or she started smoking menthols at 10.
@@jmorris023how
Class's act guys real nice
That's not very nice. It's irrelevant how old she sounds & a difficult life together with overcoming difficulty can age u significantly. Be kind to others, it costs nothing
The widows mite was to highlight the evils of a church that endocrinstes the poor into thinking they csn buy thier way into heaven. At least thats how ive interpret that parable
Or Jesus rebuking the leaders for letting the widow give her last bit of money instead of taking care of her.
@@jackiechoate6163yes. Often this aspect gets overlooked. Unfortunately its not taught in this manner.
My own idol isn't wealth or love of it. My idol of choice is anger. I'm struggling with that greatly these last few years.
Be healed in Jesus name !!! 🙏
That's not an idol, that's a demon. You are being afflicted by a demon, you need deliverance.
Proverbs 10:15 - A rich man’s wealth is his strong city; the poverty of the poor is their ruin.
There's nothing romantic or inherently pious about having little money. It's all about your attitude towards it.
Excellent Dave!!
This is a great video. Where I'm still confused is about how we determine where the line between the the love of money and having greed with wealth lies. Because technically we could all "provide" for ourselves and our families on less than many of us spend, but let's be real, we mostly all like to have some niceties, live in the nicest area we can afford, and have sooome toys. Yet it could be argued that there's still a surplus there that could be used to help the poor. Not saying I want to be a monk and have just the bare essentials or that we should all move to poorer areas to have more money freed up to give, but still having a hard time feeling like I can buy things/do these things with a totally clear conscious.
Ecclesiastes 5:19 "Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God."
I think the line can be drawn at Loving God. If you love God you will follow him. If you love money you will sacrifice and do anything for it, which would make it your god. If you will give up your morals, not take care of your family, and do anything unethical to get money then you Def love it. My thoughts.
You can't provide for your family for the rest of their lives if you don't have great wealth saved up and at least somewhat disciplined spending.
Buying things with the intent to show people that you are wealthy would have nothing to do with taking care of your family. That may not cover everything but that's a good start to a boundary.
The wealth is important because you can't take care of your family if you become disabled or you die early and end up not being able to work.
@@solck7286you can apply rules that are very good advice that are unrelated to faith in god also.
Not everyone sees the world through the lens of a believer. Yet, they still need good advice to live by.
Good points and questions! I feel you
"What would you wake up with this morning, if the only things you have left in the world are those, for which you thanked the Lord in yesterday's prayer?"
During lent I was listening to some Catholic monk's podcast. (The channel is in polish language). He threw that question to the listeners and it stuck with me. I would rather wake up with my family then with a big, empty house.
The issue is money tends to corrupt, and often leads to the biggest corruption thinking yourself independent from God because of your wealth on earth. We are called to be perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. Everything is literally His and He chooses to give freely. If we choose to hold on to things for love of the thing or in a sense of entitlement then we are sinning.
I have nuanced disagreements with Dave overall, but I wholeheartedly agree with him here. This is probably my favorite Ramsey segment ever.
Of course because I would bet you are on the higher end of net worth in America and you love Dave's opinion on this, lol
It's not rocket science to figure your motivation!
@@GAFB1122 … or it could be because I agree that money is a tool. I actually make less than 100K per year and am not a millionaire. However, I look at those who have money to see what I can emulate instead of being jealous that they have something that I don’t. The right perspective can make all of the difference.
@@GAFB1122does that mean that you are a foolish person who thinks that having money is sinful?
I have to ask because your comment does not seem unbiased or polite. It seems like you needed to speak up about why you think they liked it. Even though you don't really know anything about the commenter.
@jamisojo I think if or when you live a life of EXCESS, then you are not Godly. Many with money live a life of EXCESS regardless of how much they give. Take that however you like! Bye
It’s funny when people don’t seem to realize what the difference between being well off and actually being rich is.
Some (I didn't say all) of the poor people in the USA are rich compared to certain people in various other countries. They would say many of our poor here in this country are rich compared to them, and in a sense, that is true.
Yes. It is interesting, but the words are often used interchangeably.
Amen !! I wish EVERYONE could hear this , Educate the world Education is Key ! After reading the entire scripture . Money solves problems too ! People forget that … Gosh So Well Said and God Bless You
just like some say "Money is the root of all evil". But they're wrong because the full statement is "LOVE of money is the root of all evil"
As a pastor and Bible teacher of 35 years, I know from experience that the poverty gospel is as real as the prosperity gospel. Not as popular as you can imagine, but real and wrong nonetheless. Also; curses is another harmful doctrine.
what do you think about the rich tv pastors like Joel Osteen with a networth of 100 million and kenneth copeland with networth of 300 million dollars? I think they set a bad example for us. At a certain point, how much money do you need? If I were them, I would help the poor every single day
@@cutehumor I think that Copland is a wolf is sheep's clothing (bad clothing at that). My comment was not to support the prosperity gospel. It was to reject BOTH the prosperity gospel AND the poverty gospel. I found Dave's take on this to be refreshing
@@cutehumor How do you know that Joel and Kenneth AREN'T helping the poor? Are you in charge of their finances in order to know for a fact they don't? Or do you (like so many others) go by what people online say about them in order to form your opinions? I don't run their finances, and I can't say one way or the other, but that's the thing...none of us here (most likely) run their finances either to be able to say that they are either stingy or generous.
@@Sheryl777 Osteen did not initially open his Lakewood Church doors for those affected by Hurricane Harvey. Wolf in sheep's clothing. God is the Judge.
Thank you for speaking on this ❤
If she's at a decent school since she's studying Economics she'll learn that in a market economy the main way to make noney is to provide value for others. That's why profit as a concept is so important.
“But you can’t do that when you’re freaking broke.” I busted out laughing when he dropped that 🤣 amen amen and AMEN. 👏
Spot on biblical exposition, Dave!
As I was listening, I was getting ready to write a comment saying exactly what you just said. But you spared me the effort. 😂
Thanks!
Preach it, Dave...Preach it!
The crux of the issue for me isn’t the amount of wealth, but how much you’re spending on your own lifestyle. If the average person in America can live on $70,000/year, and you live a $1,000,000/year lifestyle, it begs the question as to whether or not you love money. No matter how much I have, I could never justify before God living with such excess, when that money could go so much further in meeting needs of people who have nothing.
Paul said ,not sure what verse. If you don’t work , you don’t eat……
100% NAILED IT. Context is everything, great job, Dave on getting to the precept of the text!
In College, there is a lot of anti-money bias. I had numerous other students tell me if I was majoring in business because I liked business that was fine, but if I was doing it to make money and get rich, that was wrong. And that is when college was affordable. That is why people end up with so many useless degrees.
Likely the same people that are in massive amounts of college debt. Colleges have zero problems charging a fortune for a useless degree.
In college there are a lot of 18 to 22 year olds.
I wouldn't trust an 18-22 year old with much of anything and I wouldn't listen to what they have to say about life.
You shouldn't count another people's opinion to make your mind up at any age. You might consider someone who sounds wise and who appears to make good choices that lead to success.
Opinions are like rear ends, everybody has one.
@@jamisojo lol yeah. People that haven't yet been out in the world giving advice about the world lol.
Disclaimer I'm not christian. . But what that verse meant was do good for people rather than focus on your wealth alone
Context is really important here. It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. This does not mean rich people can't go to heaven. The eye of the needle was the gate for merchants to enter Jerusalem where everything was to be removed from the camel to be inspected before entering the city. After the items were searched, they were all given back to the merchant to bring into the city unless contraband was found. If contraband was found then the merchant would be blacklisted from the city and lose all they had with them. The merchants were not to give all their wealth to enter the city. What is important is that we allow God to search our hearts. If I am wealthy, do I help others? Do I give? Is my intent to take advantage of others for personal gain? Has greed taken over? These are all issues of the heart that must be examined by God and contraband removed. Think about this, If I give everything I own and give it to the poor then I too am poor and must find another rich person to sustain me. If I keep all that I have and allow it to grow, I can give for a lifetime and even generationally. Its not about the money, its about the heart.....its the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil, not the money itself. One should also see the wealth of eternal salvation from Christ. No matter how much you can accumulate here, the true wealth is in eternity. Get that in your heart and create the wealth you and the Kingdom need.
Amen. Thank you, Dave, for bringing clarity to this biblical doctrine on wealth.
They'll say money doesn't buy happiness. Broke doesn't buy happiness either. They'll say money isnt everything. Money isnt everything bit it is something. They try to equate struggling with being righteous. I just can't believe that God means for me to be poor.
Ecclesiastes 5:19 "Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God."
The more you have the more you can give.
money in itself is not evil, it is how you choose to use it.
I cannot believe how many ignorant people there are out there and how stupid they are wanting to keep and put others down. Alone can do is to chose and pick who to listen to and thanks God we have the option of doing that. Thank you Papa Dave for your words of wisdom ❤