This case actually makes me feel sick, a man that killed three children and impaled them on a fence is not only allowed out of prison but may end up with anonymity? Hell no! He doesn't deserve it. What if he does it again? People need to be aware of who he is!
Our UK justice system is a fucking joke. We give the most sadistic and disgusting murderers and rapists new identities and anonymity when they leave prison and we as the taxpayers have to fund their protection. It's a travesty.
Tbh I'm in favor of anonymity for ex-convicts if their life is potentially in danger when they leave prison, BUT with that also comes that the ex-convict can't be a murderer or a rapist! (Well.... some murder cases can be debatable, but this one isn't) Imo this man should be never let out to begin with, let alone giving him anonymity. That's just best for all, for the society and for him.
Liloh Rydstrom Makes perfect sense, people have a natural inclination to think of men to be more of predators towards children than woman. Not to mention it’s more common for a woman to be a babysitter than a man. This type of stuff is prevalent everywhere in society.
He's been released from prison. I feel for the children's Mother, now she has to deal with the fact that he's out. People who commit these kinds of crimes should never be released IMO
HE IS OUT????!!! OH HELL NO F THAT HE NEEDS TO GO BACK IMMEDIATELY! IDC ABOUT ANONYMITY! IF HE GETS JUMPED IDC I HOPE HE GOES THROUGH THE PAIN HE GAVE TO THEM CHILDREN.
@@VeganVampire. things like this are the reason im scared to walk down the street, unaware of who im passing by. *shivers* run down my spine every time someone stares at me weirdly
This case was 40 years ago also the parents are to blame as well they knew he was a violent drunk what does the father do? Picks the dude from a pub drunk off his ass who just got into a fight so he could watch his children im sorry but no
@@Lofi.kitten.baby2.0 so he should be on prison for life it doesn't matter if it was 40 years ago his free to roam and kill more children. I do agree the parents where neglectful in this case though !
He was, and they've only reduced it because he's not deemed any kind of risk anymore. And what's the point in continuing to keep a very repentant old man, who doesn't pose a threat to others, locked away?
i really don't think he deserves anonymity. if he's attacked, he at least has a chance of protecting himself. the people he killed didn't have that chance.
I do not understand why a man who murdered 3 Human beings is even getting the chance to be released from prison? Like he ended three young lives of 3 lil kids and he's allowed to potentially walk free? Baffled, seriously baffled! I do not understand how you can murder then be let free even if you've been on good behavior in prison
This whole case made me want to vomit and then hearing that this monster is being treated as anything less than the demon spawn he is just makes my stomach turn. Those poor parents!! Those poor babies!! He should be in prison for life. Possibly in a dark cell 6months out of the year. I dunno... 🤮
That's what our world sadly is. The people who run this world, the 1% are disgusting individuals. That's why they don't give harsh sentences to pedophiles and that's why there's a statute of limitations when it comes to filing a criminal case against a pedophile. I see this in cases of men killing children...they get shockingly short sentences. We live in a time where there is so much evil and sadness. It breaks my heart and I worry for my children and for all youth! God Bless!!
to play devil's advocate, what's the point of prison if not to try to reform? You may as well sentence them to death if there's no chance at reintegration after 45 years
Think you should do a week called: those left behind. Or something like that about the families of murder victims who the killer refused to tell them where the body is. And then whether they ever did or if they never did. I know one Winnie Johnson I think her name is the mother of young boy murdered by Ian Brady and Myra hindley. She never got justice get her name and her sons name mentioned again see if anyone else know where their bodies are or encourage more to search xx
I love this idea but the boy killed by the moors murderers has been searched for hundreds of times and nobody has ever found him . I don’t think searching anymore will help tbh
caity sherwood The police and Keith Bennett’s family are currently trying to gain access to suit cases Ian Brady left behind to see if there is a clue about where Keith Bennett was buried but a judge refused a search warrant allowing them to do so.
Kiplyn Davis falls under this category. They know who killed her but the murderer has never given her family the location of her body. It's infuriating. I've personally met her dad and he's one of the nicest guys ever. He deserves to know where his daughter is.
This sounds so interesting, Danielle Jones also fits this, she was murdered by her uncle, who was trying to groom her, and after he was charged he refused to tell her parents where he buried her, the police are still looking for her body
Imagine the poor person that did find them pretty sure that must of disturbed them for life but glad it wasn't parents though...this man screwed a lot of lives as well as the kids and parents even the police and anyone who worked on the case must of been traumatised !!!
Can you do the Lizzie Borden case Molly Bish case The smuttynose murders Frozen to death Karina Holmer Deanna Cremin Holly Piirainen Debra Melo Joan Risch Giovanni Gonzalez Danny Croteau The lady of the dunes Maura Murray Melanie Melanson Susan Taraskiewicz Denise Cochrane Susan Dequina Deborah Bates Please cover acople of them they are all interesting cases
Please do Bianca, the egirl who got murdered by her cyber stalker. It's this year, but I feel like it would be an interesting case, without meaning any disrespect to her or her family, obviously murder isn't cool, but I feel like its harrowing and definitely hits home for modern teens, etc.
i’m having a hard time understanding why Clive (the father) left him alone with his kids knowing he was drunk and angry. i would never leave my kids alone with any drunk person, especially after i just picked him/her up from the bar because of a fight. blows my mind. i’m not at all saying David wasn’t at fault because he absolutely was. but the dad should’ve have left him there alone.
Yikes!! The Father is guilty aswell, who on earth brings a random stranger to their home where they live with their kids? No excuse, he should have called a cab for David and call it a night.
@@deemonteiro8413 He lived with them, and one of the stipulations was that he pitched in with the kids. He had been putting the to bed since their mom had a job. He was accepted into the family, not some random stranger.
Thank you so much for covering this case! I’m from Worcester and these murders happened just up the road from where I live. Not many people know about this case so thank you for bringing it to the wider world!
Wow me too, it’s so strange I had never heard of this case, I’m guessing it was kept a bit hush hush so I didn’t ruin the city’s reputation I’m not quite sure?! Xx
why would the dad leave an angry and drunk david with the kids. considering he was just in an argument which had to be seperated, he shouldnt have picked elsie up or leave david alone with the kids
I thought that too, I was concerned and as a parent you should think about these things, or at least the dad could have not stayed at the bar an hour after, maybe it wouldn’t of happened :( still, it wasn’t his fault and hope he’s doing well with his wife, this case was so sad
People get into arguments all the time, and don't go kill people... I'm sure the dad regrets ever letting David stay there, but he in no way thought he'd murder the kids over a dumb fight with a friend
catie h yeah that’s reasonable, didn’t really think of it that way but what a shame, maybe if the dad was more cautious and he still stayed for an hour or so at the bar knowing that he was angry, personally I wouldn’t have risked an hour
It's awful what those poor kids had to go through because of David. I also think that people tend to blame the wrong people, the parents. Although the parents are somewhat at fault, they never would've thought David could do that. Especially since the mother was around him a lot, and he had never been violent toward the kids. They truely believed he loved them. Normal people don't kill when they drink, and the parents aren't the monsters here. This is all my opinion btw
I've two children. As soon as you said all three children were dead my heart dropped down to the floor, I could cry. Those poor children and those poor parents. My heart breaks for them.
Heres the thing though this was half the parents fault they knew he was a violent drunk just because he hadn't hurt the children before means absolute dog shit
And him blaming the baby is ridiculous. It's a BABY. And drinking alcohol doesn't make ppl murders, and he showed signs since he was younger.. he should NOT be let out
What’s so scary is how normal and good he was with the kids.. like no one could’ve ever seen this coming. He was the every day babysitter like most of us parents have.. and that scares me so so bad
Happened to me with Jon Venables, he moved in across the street from me and when everyone found out he had to leave again. He lasted like 3 days there.
@@dna1170 Yeah, I was walking home and my mother messaged me saying she would pick me up cause people in the neighbourhood found out he just moved in and were frightened to even leave their home.
What a horrifying case. I bet their parents constantly blame themselves for leaving their beloved children with someone who could do something so heartbreaking 😔 It sickens me that he might be released, he should never be released. Anybody who takes the life of another should forever be behind bars. They don't deserve the freedom and life that they snuffed out for somebody else.
LifeAt TheShallowEnd yes agreed sure if an accident but I feel it is unfair of course so long tournament in prison with the torturous feeling of knowing what people may think the dread of what you did the consequences in that and the fear of knowing you are going to be prosicutedand targeted when let out Or just death . To know what it feels like but if you put the murderer to death does that mean your a murderer and just as worse is my question what do you think ?
@LifeAt TheShallowEnd He'll never know though how those children felt because I think the death penalty was completely abolished in 1988. Plus all he would get is lethal injection. I say keep him alive and make him think about what he did to those children until the day he dies, I'm sure having to have a constant reminder of killing 3 kids would be more justice than death, since it's an easy way out for him.
death is just the end. its far easier than life in prison for the prisoner. death penalty would affect the murderer's family rather than the murderer himself
He shouldn't be given anonymity, he should be made to feel as scared as those poor children would have been when he decided to take their lives. Awful case
Maybe the reason she called off he engagement was because she only agreed to married him because he was in the Navy. I know sometimes women would marry or get engaged to men in the military to give the men something to look forward to when they get home but then it becomes too real when they get home.
I think maybe she thought he'd be a meal ticket and then when he had no job she tried to make it work for a bit but then realized she didn't want to be with him if he had no money.
” He loved The kids “ , NO he acted as though he cared but clearly did NOT as he murdered them all in the most twisted way psychopath’s are amazing actors.
I'm still completely confused as to WHY those kids parent's knowingly allowed a DRUNK man care for their 3 young children. Tell me that isn't some sort of neglect?!?!
I think he did genuinely love the kids *while he was sober* because he was putting in all that effort that he never did for his own family, but people can change when they’re drunk or going through things or overwhelmed by emotion. He probably had what idk else to call but a “sensory overload” (I know that’s an autism term but idk what else to call it) between the bar and the kids. I think if it was the other way around, where he helped with the kids first then go to the bar, he would have killed at the bar. If something as innocent as Samantha crying and the other kids being noisy set him off even though he was fine any other night, then something about the combination of being very drunk and getting into a bar fight beforehand was the issue and the kids being kids just pushed him over the edge. I mean I don’t want to sound like I’m defending him but Elsie’s reaction, struggling to understand what he did, kinda makes me think he genuinely did love the kids and just had a sensory overload due to being very drunk and getting into a fight. Idk. I feel if it were an act he would have dropped it? And also that at least someone would have thought he was off?? But it didn’t seem like he did and nobody did. No matter how good of actors psychopaths are, they can’t fool everyone, there’s always at least one person who finds them suspect, yet he did? So I think his love for the kids was genuine.
He should never be released, he brutally killed 3 innocent children that had so much to live for. It sickens me that he would be even considered to get released.
@@Medusa_The-Bard Same. I'm not interested in supporting Riverdale Fans cry for attention, loosely disguised as a compliment. Eleanor deserves *better* than being used for that.
I cant believe someone who did a heartless, disgusting thing, is walking freely today this is the only case that made me physically and mentally sick, and I had watched a lot from Eleanor. I felt my heart beat so quickly and my head started to hurt me. I truly can not believe that he is walking freely right now Rot in hell
He is currently released from prison and on parole!! He wasn't given anonymity that I've seen, but he is excluded from going to parts of the country. Probably for the protection of the family.
He took three lives. Young lives. Never tried to save himself, never gave a valid excuse. That makes me wonder if he even had one. Keeping him in prison his whole life wouldn't be punishment enough. The amount of suffering that he must've put not only those three kids through, but their family, is insane. Fuck anonymity.
Ella Archer He could try and change what he looks like. Plus, some people don’t know what he looks like so if his name was changed, he’d be ok in some situations.
@@wolfzmusic9706 yea, like how that teacher and the student he abducted went into a very reclusive no tech commune place to hide out before they got kicked out, cause nobody would recognise them there.
I am from Worcester born and raised here and to this day if anybody mentions this just in a casual way it just freaks us all out especially since a lot of me and my friends have lived near where this happened and it simply scares me that he’s out now and it’s one of the only big cases from around here so most people know it , thank you for making a video abt it x
To be fair, those people usually write books about their expeirence. I think if people have lived through a traumatic crime like this. We need to let them tell the story, and not step on their toes. I personally only watch Missing persons and unsolved cases, for the simple fact that they can still be solved. Covering solved cases, is honestly just click-bait and pointless.
I really think something happened to him when he was in the Marines. Maybe his psychological test would have shown something about him. I think his fiancee maybe noticed something and that caused her to call off her wedding. I think his drinking may have been a reason to hide the pain/trauma he had to deal with and that his violent side really came out when he drinks. I also think he should have not been eligible for parole at all.
good to know even the prisoners he was with knew it was so.. *VERY* wrong to kill children, and they treated him like total piece of garbage he is, great to hear that.
I feel he had underlying issues. It wasn’t just drinking. I can promise he has some sort of mental illness that might cause him to be violent by how it affects him. He shouldn’t be let out, but he should 100% be treated for it so he can feel full remorse for his actions and suffer for what he did.
It doesn’t matter whether someone has a mental illness or not, drunk people can’t properly watch children. Small example; everyone when I was younger would drink and party at our cabin, possible drug use too. They had a keg of wine, and although the floor layout was open plan and fairly small, no one noticed I had my head stuck under the nozzle and, I got drunk off my ass at 8 years old and they still have pictures of my first hangover. You don’t have awareness, you don’t have spatial awareness, you could possibly pass out before children and leave them roaming, someone could come and rob our home or harm your children and you’d be none the wiser. Next level is leaving someone who was just violently drunk at a bar to watch your kids, and feeling comfortable enough with that, that you will sit at the bar and have a few more drinks yourself, instead of coming. Straight back home because you want to relieve this drunk person of a duty they aren’t up to the task of doing. If it were one child it might be easier but leaving a drunk person with THREE children especially a baby and expecting them to give them to time and attention they deserve at one of the hardest points of the day being bedtime. I have one child and bedtime is a huge task when my child is pretty tired and emotional, but a baby can bring out every colour of emotion and no drunk person should be trusted with a baby
@@GamingNat right but it was said they knew when he got drunk he got violent and they learned to “stay away from him” so after picking him up drunk and just having a violent bar fight you don’t then leave him to look after your children. It’s absolutely his fault for the murder 100% but the parents should’ve done better too.
I think there’s no way he should get anonymity because he should have to deal with the consequences and he could also go on to start a new family with a woman who has no idea he is a monster. He is who he is, he should have to live with that.
He’s. Still. ALIVE. This just scares me.. Thanks for such great content, Eleanor. I love how you show every side of the story, and how you show respect!
anonymity is a hard one. The point of prison is to protect the public, punish and reform. If the system works and an individual is reformed, they should no longer be a danger to the public, so saying they shouldn't have anonymity because of this works on the assumption that the system doesn't work. Then if the individual has served their full sentence, they have had their punishment and it wouldnt be fair for them to continue to be punished on the outside. That being said, there was a recent case in my home town that was really quite horrific and it did hit me hard. The perpetrator got 27 years for a truly repulsive crime and it makes my skin crawl to think he may one day walk free. After what he put the victim's family through as well, I don't think he should ever be let out unless it's in an urn. Anonymity should be granted to people that have committed certain levels of crimes if people in charge are 100% certain they are reformed and there's a good plan set in place for them when they come out. and it should probably be judged on an individual basis. I don't think McGreavy should be let out at all either, the way he went from 0 to 100 and the fact we still have no idea why it happened psychologically means we can't be certain it won't happen again and we can't prevent it.
A huge problem too, is a lot of people so get reformed but there are vigilantists (is that a word) who don't believe that. I work in Corrections, and one man accidentally killed his ex-girlfriend as a teenager. He is deeply remorseful. He is well behaved, has employment and has a family now. But the mother of his teenage girlfriend plasters his face all over social media, stalking him, finding out where he works.... The crime happened 30+ years ago. And people on social media start talking about how they will attack him.... He's on parole for life. He's turned his life around. He is so remorseful. So even though he is reformed, his life is in danger
It just feels so incredibly wrong to give a person who has done something heinous a 'clean slate' upon release from prison. It's rewarding these criminals with the ability to go through the rest of the lives NOT having to take personal responsibility for their past actions. It's also taking away the public's ability to know who they're dealing with by putting that information out of reach. Having served their time does not undo what they did. If we were talking about more minor crimes, of course a clean slate makes sense to give people a chance, but once you get into the realm of things like brutal murder of children... Yeah, sorry, but you don't _deserve_ to be released AT ALL, let alone for the government to take steps to deprive the public of important information about their possible safety in order to make life 'easier' for them. The societal consequences extend beyond 'serving ones time'. I don't support vigilantism AT ALL. but it's hard to argue that it's 'wrong' to shun monsters.
Thank you. I never heard anything about this story. Possibly because I’m Italian.. In my opinion, as per the Venables and Thompson case, I strongly disagree with anonymity in these cases. People should know if they live close or even date some of these “ex” criminals.
Until I started watching your videos, I wasn't familiar at all with UK criminal anonymity. In America, we don't have that as far as I know. You can change your name when you get out of prison, but you will always be who you were. Of course, the US is a much bigger country. For big-name serial killers, they usually stay in prison, (our life sentences usually mean life) so that's not an issue, but it's easy for someone to commit a crime in, say Idaho, then move to Connecticut or wherever after they get out of prison. My problem with laws like anonymity is that so many of the people who are protected are people who have committed awful crimes and, quite frankly, don't deserve it. I would be outraged if I had kids and then unknowingly moved in a neighborhood next to someone who snapped and brutally murdered three children, I would be outraged.
Sorry. This will be a long reply, but I think it may clear some of your questions/thoughts: I think we do have somewhat of an equivalent to “anonymity” in the US. However, I think it comes out of tax payers’ funds in some cities/states, which is absolutely DISGUSTING. However, I think they’re only allowed their first name to be changed. That only goes for public use, and I believe they have to have two forms of ID on them. One of their real name, one of their changed name. They mostly can’t get jobs, since everything on the legal side hasn’t changed. For instance, in the event they hand over their newer ID in an interview, a legal background search leads to their original identity, which could cost them the job, depending on who’s hiring. As for serving life sentences, you’d be surprised by how many disgusting serial murderers get out of prison long before their sentence is up, due to their lawyers stating they’re now a “reformed and better citizen”. At that point, it’s really down to the judge, and a lot get off. We just don’t hear about it because, like you said, the US is huge in population. Nearly 329 MILLION, to be clear. In my AP Forensics course for high school, we’d have a “Criminal of the Week”. My teacher would give us three major criminals set for release every Friday. She’d read off the crimes they’d committed, and we’d have to guess, out of those three, who’s release was actually approved. Surprisingly, it usually ended up being some of the most vile. Serial child rapists (who later went on to attack again), child murderers, etc. You name it, at least one -JUST OUT OF THE THREE WE TALKED ABOUT- got released every week. I’m not sure I’d like to know the correct number, nationwide, in which criminals with the same crimes were released. Because I took the course freshman year, and my teacher and I got along very well, I stuck around through my remaining years. Grading papers, setting up the class. Because I was so engrossed in true crime, she often let me pick the three criminals and do all the research for her enrolled students to then guess the following week. The research was brutal. The thought alone, some of these monsters even had a SLIVER of a chance for freedom was even more horrid. The justice system here does do some good. However, there are MANY times where it ROYALLY screws up. Part of me despises the partial anonymity some get, especially coming from innocent people’s taxes. I also somewhat think it’s a good idea, as I don’t think it’s fair for someone else to be imprisoned for the potential murder of said criminal, all because they had everyone else’s safety in mind. These criminals aren’t worth the easy way out.
@@SneakySalaXander Thank you so much for your response! It's usually the rapists that get out early for some reason. And yes, I don't like that it's on our tax money. To be honest, I would rather pay for them to be in jail for the rest of their lives than to have to support them outside of jail, where they could potentially do harm to innocents. And not only is the US big in population, but also geographical size. So many people who campaign for prisoners' rights, which I understand, forget that there are evil people in our jails. I remember when the ACLU was cheering about how the Cheshire Home Invasion guys (which happened like two towns over from me) got off death row. Even though I am opposed to the death penalty, I still think they should have served their sentence because they deserved it for what they did to those women. I completely agree with your last point. That's similar to what happened to the man who shot JFK. He was shot on the court steps by another guy who thought he was doing the right thing by killing the president's killer. But he got arrested (his conviction got overturned, but the point is murder is still illegal). I think the question of criminal anonymity is one that we probably will never have an answer for because I don't think it's possible to answer it.
Laura Wachter the UK criminal justice system is a joke. Drug dealers get the biggest sentences while child molesters get a ‘warning’. And life sentences here mean about 10 years. Also being able to have anonymity is ridiculous I think. I really hate the UK criminal justice system, the only thing you get major sentences for is drug charges.
Horrifying story !!! What a total psycho monster. You'd almost have to be demon possessed to do something this evil. He'd never be let out of prison in the USA.
The saddest part is if David would’ve gotten some help, he would have been a nice, sober dude.😔 Because, of his anger issues and drinking problems, he broke a family after they kindly welcomed him into their home.
it’s so interesting when i heard about you saying how strange it was that he flipped & turned into a triple murderer, reminds me of The Watts Case. so unexpected & baffling. Mcgreavy has been released in July 2019.
Oml yes Eleanor your finally covering a case that recently I've been so passionate about, he doesnt deserve a new identity at all and he also deserves alot longer then 45 years
Normally I'm against new identities for cold-blooded killers. The only thing that speaks for a new identity is that he won't get attacked and can maybe better deal with his life when he has a new identity, as a consequence for behaving and apparently "getting better" in jail ... I don't know, I'm not sure and I can understand why you don't wanna voice your opinion on this because it's not easy. I'm calling him a cold-blooded killer (and he SURE is one), on the other hand though this was SUCH a gruesome scene that it makes me wonder how this could get so much out of control ... he wasn't the first person who killed a baby because it cried (it's horrible how often it happens), but to kill the other children as well (who were silent) AND to do all these other cruel things afterwards? It's hard to wrap my head around this.
I live in worcester... Does that mean that I could easily run into him on the streets? Also, I'm just bingeing your videos. I've got a jar of nutella, a bottle of pepsi, and my laptop.
Tragic case, you did an amazing job of presenting information and everything, thank you for informing us! I appreciate you putting all this work into this
Convinced he wasn't just drunk he had to have something else in his system also why would the parents let him near the children if he was known to be a drunk that's honestly just asking for something to go wrong
I don't like to be that person, but 'Clyde' (I'm sure that's his name I can't remember) has a legal obligation as a parent to protect those children and he didn't, recklessly leaving them with someone he knows could get violent while drunk. He knew how angry and drunk he was, even the neighbours knew his "dark side" but yet he let David stay unoccupied with his children. He could told The mother to get another way from work because David was a bit more tempered than usual and he didn't feel comfortable leaving him with his children, however, he didn't do that which I feel is negligent on his part as a parent. This is only my observation
Different times, people didn't know about this stuff that well. I have relatives who are violent drunks. But when I was a child, they were still able to see me (when drunk). They never did anything though. David had more deeper issues than being drunk. People who have deep mental health problems can be easily irritated, and act in pure anger during those moments. Of course David's was a more serious case.
This is such a bizarre story ... I think he might have been under the influence of some drugs added to alcohol. I don’t see how only alcohol can make someone snap like that
I don’t think he should have been released. But since he was, I don’t think he deserved anonymity. I think if he’s attacked for it, good. He deserves being attacked or murdered and more.
The Grace In space I'm eating cheerios right now :) The 5 different grain one, with milk and sugar. Upside to being an adult, you can eat what you want whenever you want, downside, you have to pay for it yourself :) Better luck tomorrow!
Can you cover the man who has been accused of killing 6 women/children. He’s been named as the first serial killer of Cyprus. He’s called Nicos, sorry can’t think of his second name but should be easy enough to find. 💛
I'm from Worcester- My Dad was a police officer for 35 years and this was one of the cases they were trained on. A lot of the officers that found the children never went back to duty because they were so emotionally scarred. The children's parents are still local to the area and have basically said they will kill him themselves if he's ever released. He's a monster.
Me: Oh, the Monster of Worcerster? I don't think I know that case. Eleanor: ...baby Samantha cried for her bottle... My memories: Reacts to the phrase like a sleeper agent Me: Oh, I DO know this case. Oh. OH NO.
honestly, eleanor's content is top notch & i'm pleased i found her channel. it may be a strange hobby, but i can sit & listen to her videos while drawing for hours.
Sort of reminds me of Chris Watts (US, Colorado), who appeared as a model father until he killed his pregnant wife and small daughters, showing no remorse afterward.
He shouldn't even being out. He should die in jail. No matter what...we take 3 children lives im a very horrible way...he doesn't deserve NOTHING EVER.
He deserves no anonimity and deserves any bad thing that comes his way, he did horrible horrible things to these innocent kids, if he gets the same well let's say i won't be sad!
I am a huge true crime fan and usually this stuff doesn’t get to me. Obviously it’s tragic and I can’t express how much I feel for these victims families, but I can usually finish the video. This is by far one of the worst ones I have ever heard. I almost couldn’t finish the video. These poor kids went through hell and I feel terrible for them and their family.
Never heard of this one. I'm from worcester and still live in Worcestershire. Horrid awful case. Never understand how people can murder, let alone murder kids! Feel for the poor police who found the kids. That image will never leave them.
This case actually makes me feel sick, a man that killed three children and impaled them on a fence is not only allowed out of prison but may end up with anonymity? Hell no! He doesn't deserve it. What if he does it again? People need to be aware of who he is!
Our UK justice system is a fucking joke. We give the most sadistic and disgusting murderers and rapists new identities and anonymity when they leave prison and we as the taxpayers have to fund their protection. It's a travesty.
@@green123o4 so true 👍💛
they were my classmates aunties kids that were murdered
Tbh I'm in favor of anonymity for ex-convicts if their life is potentially in danger when they leave prison, BUT with that also comes that the ex-convict can't be a murderer or a rapist! (Well.... some murder cases can be debatable, but this one isn't) Imo this man should be never let out to begin with, let alone giving him anonymity. That's just best for all, for the society and for him.
How often does it happen that murderers kill again after they are released from prison?
..If you know that someone, is a violent drunk... WHY THE HELL PUT THAT PERSON IN CHARGE OF A CHILD????
Guess cuz he never shown it to the children before.
@@Vexarax that's how I take it as well, different times man.
Liloh Rydstrom Makes perfect sense, people have a natural inclination to think of men to be more of predators towards children than woman. Not to mention it’s more common for a woman to be a babysitter than a man. This type of stuff is prevalent everywhere in society.
@@Vexarax He was a friend of the father of the kids. And he earned their trust by always taking care of the kids
@@Vexarax it wasn't a random man, he was a man they trusted
He's been released from prison. I feel for the children's Mother, now she has to deal with the fact that he's out. People who commit these kinds of crimes should never be released IMO
HE IS OUT????!!!
OH HELL NO F THAT HE NEEDS TO GO BACK IMMEDIATELY!
IDC ABOUT ANONYMITY! IF HE GETS JUMPED IDC I HOPE HE GOES THROUGH THE PAIN HE GAVE TO THEM CHILDREN.
Agree they should bring back hanging or the chair and get rid of these weirdos.
he has been WHAT??????? HE KILLED THREE LITTLE KIDS AND IMPALED THEM ON A FENCE HOW IS HE ALLOWED TO WALK FREE??
@@lamijabrzina6964 I know, it's crazy and terrifying
@@VeganVampire. things like this are the reason im scared to walk down the street, unaware of who im passing by. *shivers* run down my spine every time someone stares at me weirdly
I can't believe a person murdered 3 times and isn't automatically in prison for life.
It's the uk for you
This case was 40 years ago also the parents are to blame as well they knew he was a violent drunk what does the father do? Picks the dude from a pub drunk off his ass who just got into a fight so he could watch his children im sorry but no
@@Lofi.kitten.baby2.0 so he should be on prison for life it doesn't matter if it was 40 years ago his free to roam and kill more children.
I do agree the parents where neglectful in this case though !
@@shelby1906 Nicely said!
He was, and they've only reduced it because he's not deemed any kind of risk anymore. And what's the point in continuing to keep a very repentant old man, who doesn't pose a threat to others, locked away?
i really don't think he deserves anonymity. if he's attacked, he at least has a chance of protecting himself. the people he killed didn't have that chance.
I do not understand why a man who murdered 3 Human beings is even getting the chance to be released from prison? Like he ended three young lives of 3 lil kids and he's allowed to potentially walk free? Baffled, seriously baffled! I do not understand how you can murder then be let free even if you've been on good behavior in prison
This whole case made me want to vomit and then hearing that this monster is being treated as anything less than the demon spawn he is just makes my stomach turn. Those poor parents!! Those poor babies!! He should be in prison for life. Possibly in a dark cell 6months out of the year. I dunno... 🤮
Carpe-This MAGA-Diem I feel exactly the same, I actually literally felt sick to the stomach.
It's disgusting isn't it he should be treated like the animal he is - in saying that tho no animal should be treated like he's deserves to be treated
That's what our world sadly is. The people who run this world, the 1% are disgusting individuals. That's why they don't give harsh sentences to pedophiles and that's why there's a statute of limitations when it comes to filing a criminal case against a pedophile. I see this in cases of men killing children...they get shockingly short sentences. We live in a time where there is so much evil and sadness. It breaks my heart and I worry for my children and for all youth! God Bless!!
to play devil's advocate, what's the point of prison if not to try to reform? You may as well sentence them to death if there's no chance at reintegration after 45 years
Think you should do a week called: those left behind. Or something like that about the families of murder victims who the killer refused to tell them where the body is. And then whether they ever did or if they never did. I know one Winnie Johnson I think her name is the mother of young boy murdered by Ian Brady and Myra hindley. She never got justice get her name and her sons name mentioned again see if anyone else know where their bodies are or encourage more to search xx
I love this idea but the boy killed by the moors murderers has been searched for hundreds of times and nobody has ever found him . I don’t think searching anymore will help tbh
caity sherwood The police and Keith Bennett’s family are currently trying to gain access to suit cases Ian Brady left behind to see if there is a clue about where Keith Bennett was buried but a judge refused a search warrant allowing them to do so.
Kiplyn Davis falls under this category. They know who killed her but the murderer has never given her family the location of her body. It's infuriating. I've personally met her dad and he's one of the nicest guys ever. He deserves to know where his daughter is.
This sounds so interesting, Danielle Jones also fits this, she was murdered by her uncle, who was trying to groom her, and after he was charged he refused to tell her parents where he buried her, the police are still looking for her body
That's an excellent idea .
Thank God those parents didn't find their kids like that. How sick humans can be is truly disturbing
Seriously! They would have never been able to escape that image, so I'm glad they didn't get to see their kids' bodies.
Imagine the poor person that did find them pretty sure that must of disturbed them for life but glad it wasn't parents though...this man screwed a lot of lives as well as the kids and parents even the police and anyone who worked on the case must of been traumatised !!!
Thats the only good thing about this story that the parents never got to find their children. The absolute horror of it.
As soon as you said “Friday the 13th” I went: 👀
same wtf haha
this is weird but your name is me and my best friend's names and I thought that was cool
hotdog WZEDEXEXECRCRC OMFG REALLY
SAME
@@charlieelise2198 DUDE YES!!!!!!!
No anonymity for the safety and awareness of everyone around him. Just like how sex offenders are on public lists for the same reason.
I agree
They aren't public here in Canada. The government is too busy protecting them
Sex offenders are not on public lists in the UK. Only the authorities know.
It's really stupid rule anyone who hurts children should face death
He didn’t give 3 baby’s a ‘second chance’ so why should he by giving him a new identity
Exactly, it's messed up.
Can you do the
Lizzie Borden case
Molly Bish case
The smuttynose murders
Frozen to death
Karina Holmer
Deanna Cremin
Holly Piirainen
Debra Melo
Joan Risch
Giovanni Gonzalez
Danny Croteau
The lady of the dunes
Maura Murray
Melanie Melanson
Susan Taraskiewicz
Denise Cochrane
Susan Dequina
Deborah Bates
Please cover acople of them they are all interesting cases
Hinny Fanfics and the Elizabeth Smart case
sheeh.......are you from Massachusetts?? Lots of Mass cases in there.
Alice Eilish I think she’s done Elizabeth Smart already
ealdor no she hasn’t
Alice Eilish she has
Me: I'm bored I have nothing to watch
Ellie: Hold my drink hun I got you
Lol
Ellie? Don’t you mean Eleanor
IIcxrvlII Ellie is her nickname
Bronwyn Smith oof..I’m new sorry 😂
@@graceheath she said on twitter we can call her Ellie, I don't think she's ever actually said it in a video so ur good lmao
Please do Bianca, the egirl who got murdered by her cyber stalker. It's this year, but I feel like it would be an interesting case, without meaning any disrespect to her or her family, obviously murder isn't cool, but I feel like its harrowing and definitely hits home for modern teens, etc.
Lucy Sharp just looked it up an unfortunately saw the photos he posted of her body everywhere I feel so sick. I won’t ever be able to forget her face
yes this would be a good one to do
My friend was friends with her over discord, the photos got sent into her group chat.. it was such a shame
You really have to fact check the information you get in this case because some sources say they were dating others say there was no relation
Aly cat they weren’t dating. he saw their relationship as something serious, while she didn’t know him at all.
i’m having a hard time understanding why Clive (the father) left him alone with his kids knowing he was drunk and angry. i would never leave my kids alone with any drunk person, especially after i just picked him/her up from the bar because of a fight. blows my mind. i’m not at all saying David wasn’t at fault because he absolutely was. but the dad should’ve have left him there alone.
Dad was probably drunk too making him a poor judgement of character
Yikes!! The Father is guilty aswell, who on earth brings a random stranger to their home where they live with their kids? No excuse, he should have called a cab for David and call it a night.
@@deemonteiro8413 He lived with them, and one of the stipulations was that he pitched in with the kids. He had been putting the to bed since their mom had a job. He was accepted into the family, not some random stranger.
@@haileyhurley9173 still tho if you pick a friend up from a bar fight it’s common sense to probably not let that angry drunk take care of your kids
@@haileyhurley9173 obviously no same to the dad it’s just kinda unsetting because the situation could’ve been avoided
Eleanor: "... and on friday the 13th"
me: "oh shi-"
I was waiting for this comment 😂
It was on Friday the 13 oh that makes sense
bro, I commented this before I even saw this xD
When she said that I did the big time rush thing *oh oh oh oh oh*
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Me: :(
Eleanor: suh tuhdaes videuh
Me: :)
Shwanzie lol I read that in her voice.. So cute! Love her ❤️
This is my new fav comment ever.😂
Hahahaha
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Thank you so much for covering this case! I’m from Worcester and these murders happened just up the road from where I live. Not many people know about this case so thank you for bringing it to the wider world!
I am from Worcester too.
Hey same! Small world!
If he is released I hope is is not allowed in Worcestershire.
Same here!!
Wow me too, it’s so strange I had never heard of this case, I’m guessing it was kept a bit hush hush so I didn’t ruin the city’s reputation I’m not quite sure?! Xx
I can’t believe that they released him from prison, he should of got life in prison. He took three lives away and now he’s free to do what he wants.
Me: Oh, he found some purpose with the kids, that's cute!
Eleanor: ...THREE kids...
Me: suddenly remembers how many victims he had
Me: *OH NO*
This was me👁👄👁
why would the dad leave an angry and drunk david with the kids. considering he was just in an argument which had to be seperated, he shouldnt have picked elsie up or leave david alone with the kids
I thought that too, I was concerned and as a parent you should think about these things, or at least the dad could have not stayed at the bar an hour after, maybe it wouldn’t of happened :( still, it wasn’t his fault and hope he’s doing well with his wife, this case was so sad
People get into arguments all the time, and don't go kill people... I'm sure the dad regrets ever letting David stay there, but he in no way thought he'd murder the kids over a dumb fight with a friend
catie h just a thought considering they knew he got angry when he was drunk and left him alone (i think it was them that knew i cant exactly remember)
catie h yeah that’s reasonable, didn’t really think of it that way but what a shame, maybe if the dad was more cautious and he still stayed for an hour or so at the bar knowing that he was angry, personally I wouldn’t have risked an hour
It's awful what those poor kids had to go through because of David. I also think that people tend to blame the wrong people, the parents. Although the parents are somewhat at fault, they never would've thought David could do that. Especially since the mother was around him a lot, and he had never been violent toward the kids. They truely believed he loved them. Normal people don't kill when they drink, and the parents aren't the monsters here. This is all my opinion btw
I've two children. As soon as you said all three children were dead my heart dropped down to the floor, I could cry. Those poor children and those poor parents. My heart breaks for them.
Heres the thing though this was half the parents fault they knew he was a violent drunk just because he hadn't hurt the children before means absolute dog shit
I don't think he should be released ever!!! This wasn't just a random burst of anger...those poor children :(
And him blaming the baby is ridiculous. It's a BABY. And drinking alcohol doesn't make ppl murders, and he showed signs since he was younger.. he should NOT be let out
"Absolute no disrespect anyone in the vidouh"
Me: disrespect the murderers 🙂
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Hey
I think the same thing every time 😂
I have said this before
@@miqeyt3317 haha
What’s so scary is how normal and good he was with the kids.. like no one could’ve ever seen this coming. He was the every day babysitter like most of us parents have.. and that scares me so so bad
He was a violent drunk so as long as u love your children.enough to not allow a violent drunk to babysit them, u will be fine.
I don't think he should be allowed a new identity.. imagine him moving in next door to your family and you had no idea! Nah, no thank you!
Happened to me with Jon Venables, he moved in across the street from me and when everyone found out he had to leave again. He lasted like 3 days there.
Rachel Angharad really? wow
@@dna1170 Yeah, I was walking home and my mother messaged me saying she would pick me up cause people in the neighbourhood found out he just moved in and were frightened to even leave their home.
Rachel Davies that’s so scary, thank god your okay and everyone else is
Ye like of pedos have to tell u if they be pedoing why should murderers not have to
What a horrifying case. I bet their parents constantly blame themselves for leaving their beloved children with someone who could do something so heartbreaking 😔 It sickens me that he might be released, he should never be released. Anybody who takes the life of another should forever be behind bars. They don't deserve the freedom and life that they snuffed out for somebody else.
Jennifer S. just a question do you think they should be killed or just imprisoned
LifeAt TheShallowEnd you take a life feel what it’s like right .?
LifeAt TheShallowEnd yes agreed sure if an accident but I feel it is unfair of course so long tournament in prison with the torturous feeling of knowing what people may think the dread of what you did the consequences in that and the fear of knowing you are going to be prosicutedand targeted when let out
Or just death .
To know what it feels like but if you put the murderer to death does that mean your a murderer and just as worse is my question what do you think ?
@LifeAt TheShallowEnd He'll never know though how those children felt because I think the death penalty was completely abolished in 1988. Plus all he would get is lethal injection. I say keep him alive and make him think about what he did to those children until the day he dies, I'm sure having to have a constant reminder of killing 3 kids would be more justice than death, since it's an easy way out for him.
death is just the end. its far easier than life in prison for the prisoner. death penalty would affect the murderer's family rather than the murderer himself
He shouldn't be given anonymity, he should be made to feel as scared as those poor children would have been when he decided to take their lives. Awful case
He's out.
As the parents of those poor kids that were brutally murdered, I think I would have to find and torture that monster😡😡
Maybe the reason she called off he engagement was because she only agreed to married him because he was in the Navy. I know sometimes women would marry or get engaged to men in the military to give the men something to look forward to when they get home but then it becomes too real when they get home.
I think maybe she thought he'd be a meal ticket and then when he had no job she tried to make it work for a bit but then realized she didn't want to be with him if he had no money.
She probably spotted some psycho tendencies back then
” He loved The kids “ , NO he acted as though he cared but clearly did NOT as he murdered them all in the most twisted way psychopath’s are amazing actors.
I'm still completely confused as to WHY those kids parent's knowingly allowed a DRUNK man care for their 3 young children. Tell me that isn't some sort of neglect?!?!
I think he did genuinely love the kids *while he was sober* because he was putting in all that effort that he never did for his own family, but people can change when they’re drunk or going through things or overwhelmed by emotion. He probably had what idk else to call but a “sensory overload” (I know that’s an autism term but idk what else to call it) between the bar and the kids. I think if it was the other way around, where he helped with the kids first then go to the bar, he would have killed at the bar. If something as innocent as Samantha crying and the other kids being noisy set him off even though he was fine any other night, then something about the combination of being very drunk and getting into a bar fight beforehand was the issue and the kids being kids just pushed him over the edge.
I mean I don’t want to sound like I’m defending him but Elsie’s reaction, struggling to understand what he did, kinda makes me think he genuinely did love the kids and just had a sensory overload due to being very drunk and getting into a fight. Idk.
I feel if it were an act he would have dropped it? And also that at least someone would have thought he was off?? But it didn’t seem like he did and nobody did. No matter how good of actors psychopaths are, they can’t fool everyone, there’s always at least one person who finds them suspect, yet he did? So I think his love for the kids was genuine.
@@Lara-xu3yc especially knowing when he’s drunk he gets violent...
@@aromaladyellie This is a good response none of this was Elsie's fault no matter how sick he was
honestly i feel like he actually did love them to some degree.
He should never be released, he brutally killed 3 innocent children that had so much to live for. It sickens me that he would be even considered to get released.
Those poor babies 😭 absolutely heartbreaking. I hope their souls rest in peace. They didn’t deserve this 😔
Truly disgusting 😔 poor Paul, Samantha & Dawn and their mom and dad 😔
made me cry reading up on this...
Eleanor you are so freaking beautiful! Drop dead gorgeous(Like if u agree)
I agree but im not going to like
@@Medusa_The-Bard Same. I'm not interested in supporting Riverdale Fans cry for attention, loosely disguised as a compliment. Eleanor deserves *better* than being used for that.
Anonymous Ambition riverfail
I think that a bit of a poor choice for words, mate.
@@sophielou2929 *riverfail* is my new favourite thing.
I cant believe someone who did a heartless, disgusting thing, is walking freely today
this is the only case that made me physically and mentally sick, and I had watched a lot from Eleanor.
I felt my heart beat so quickly and my head started to hurt me.
I truly can not believe that he is walking freely right now
Rot in hell
He is currently released from prison and on parole!! He wasn't given anonymity that I've seen, but he is excluded from going to parts of the country. Probably for the protection of the family.
I have a 19 month old and one on the way, and this absolutely breaks my heart. Them poor babies must of been terrified. Rest in peace 💔
I ran to my son who is asleep in his cot and I literally collapsed on the floor in tears because my first thought was what If that was my son :'(
😔 this case is truly heart breaking
He took three lives. Young lives. Never tried to save himself, never gave a valid excuse. That makes me wonder if he even had one. Keeping him in prison his whole life wouldn't be punishment enough. The amount of suffering that he must've put not only those three kids through, but their family, is insane. Fuck anonymity.
Oreegyeenal Lamppost Lenay he was released in July of this year. 💔💔
The thing is, people already know what he looks like... giving him a new identity won't change the way he looks...
Ella Archer He could try and change what he looks like. Plus, some people don’t know what he looks like so if his name was changed, he’d be ok in some situations.
@@wolfzmusic9706 yea, like how that teacher and the student he abducted went into a very reclusive no tech commune place to hide out before they got kicked out, cause nobody would recognise them there.
He has been in prison for quite a while he probably looks quite different
How can someone bring themselves to do something like that to children?
Just how? That's ghastly!
I am from Worcester born and raised here and to this day if anybody mentions this just in a casual way it just freaks us all out especially since a lot of me and my friends have lived near where this happened and it simply scares me that he’s out now and it’s one of the only big cases from around here so most people know it , thank you for making a video abt it x
nobody:
Not a soul:
Eleanor: so today’s video
Me at the same time, but louder: *SUH TUDAIHS VIDEUH*
killmeoff 💀💀
killmeoff literally me in a message 😂
killmeoff me at the same time but louder omg😂
killmeoff
I recon you’re American.
CursedToaster you’d be wrong
He mutilated and impaled three children. He deserves the same fate
He deserve so much worst. He deserves the worst pain imaginable. Xx
And nothing less.
Can you cover more abduction cases in which the person abducted made it out alive and lives to tell the tale?💘xx
Niamh Surgenor she’s done a few like that
Niamh Surgenor like the Elizabeth smart case
Alice Eilish yeah x
To be fair, those people usually write books about their expeirence. I think if people have lived through a traumatic crime like this. We need to let them tell the story, and not step on their toes. I personally only watch Missing persons and unsolved cases, for the simple fact that they can still be solved.
Covering solved cases, is honestly just click-bait and pointless.
Meranda b how is it clickbait, some people prefer listening and watching videos than reading.
He's just been released from prison!!
i know, i can't believe it. it's disgusting, i mean anyone who does anything like that to children deserves to be locked up forever and never let out.
Nope just nope
I really think something happened to him when he was in the Marines. Maybe his psychological test would have shown something about him. I think his fiancee maybe noticed something and that caused her to call off her wedding. I think his drinking may have been a reason to hide the pain/trauma he had to deal with and that his violent side really came out when he drinks. I also think he should have not been eligible for parole at all.
good to know even the prisoners he was with knew it was so.. *VERY* wrong to kill children, and they treated him like total piece of garbage he is, great to hear that.
it's wrong to kill anyone not just children, they're just as bad and shouldn't be glorified for that
Chloe Harrison I agree killing anyone is horrible and terrible but you have to be on another level of sadistic to kill an innocent weak child.
XXepri there’s a hierarchy in prisons and anyone with any crimes relating to kids are at the bottom
Even prisoners are parents and many hate they are separated from their kids, some forever. I'm not surprised at all to hear this.
Prisoners dont really take harm to children lightly.
Whyyyyy would anyone have a drink dude that got into a bar fight, babysit their kids?!
Because they're dumb, careless and only cared about having a good time
I feel he had underlying issues. It wasn’t just drinking. I can promise he has some sort of mental illness that might cause him to be violent by how it affects him. He shouldn’t be let out, but he should 100% be treated for it so he can feel full remorse for his actions and suffer for what he did.
It doesn’t matter whether someone has a mental illness or not, drunk people can’t properly watch children.
Small example;
everyone when I was younger would drink and party at our cabin, possible drug use too. They had a keg of wine, and although the floor layout was open plan and fairly small, no one noticed I had my head stuck under the nozzle and, I got drunk off my ass at 8 years old and they still have pictures of my first hangover.
You don’t have awareness, you don’t have spatial awareness, you could possibly pass out before children and leave them roaming, someone could come and rob our home or harm your children and you’d be none the wiser.
Next level is leaving someone who was just violently drunk at a bar to watch your kids, and feeling comfortable enough with that, that you will sit at the bar and have a few more drinks yourself, instead of coming. Straight back home because you want to relieve this drunk person of a duty they aren’t up to the task of doing. If it were one child it might be easier but leaving a drunk person with THREE children especially a baby and expecting them to give them to time and attention they deserve at one of the hardest points of the day being bedtime. I have one child and bedtime is a huge task when my child is pretty tired and emotional, but a baby can bring out every colour of emotion and no drunk person should be trusted with a baby
@@GamingNat right but it was said they knew when he got drunk he got violent and they learned to “stay away from him” so after picking him up drunk and just having a violent bar fight you don’t then leave him to look after your children. It’s absolutely his fault for the murder 100% but the parents should’ve done better too.
Exactly
I think there’s no way he should get anonymity because he should have to deal with the consequences and he could also go on to start a new family with a woman who has no idea he is a monster. He is who he is, he should have to live with that.
This sick S.O.B had been released from prison. I can’t imagine the parents heartache 😞
The parents were also at fault just so you're aware
Ellie: He loved the kids like his own.
Also Ellie: He chopped them up, after killing them.
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Audley Irregular wait wtf how is her profile picture next to your name??
Sally Rayborn they’re a channel member :)
He did not love those children. If he did, he wouldn’t have done this.
He’s. Still. ALIVE. This just scares me.. Thanks for such great content, Eleanor. I love how you show every side of the story, and how you show respect!
anonymity is a hard one. The point of prison is to protect the public, punish and reform. If the system works and an individual is reformed, they should no longer be a danger to the public, so saying they shouldn't have anonymity because of this works on the assumption that the system doesn't work. Then if the individual has served their full sentence, they have had their punishment and it wouldnt be fair for them to continue to be punished on the outside.
That being said, there was a recent case in my home town that was really quite horrific and it did hit me hard. The perpetrator got 27 years for a truly repulsive crime and it makes my skin crawl to think he may one day walk free. After what he put the victim's family through as well, I don't think he should ever be let out unless it's in an urn. Anonymity should be granted to people that have committed certain levels of crimes if people in charge are 100% certain they are reformed and there's a good plan set in place for them when they come out. and it should probably be judged on an individual basis. I don't think McGreavy should be let out at all either, the way he went from 0 to 100 and the fact we still have no idea why it happened psychologically means we can't be certain it won't happen again and we can't prevent it.
Great response 🙌🏼
Sadly the system doesn't work
A huge problem too, is a lot of people so get reformed but there are vigilantists (is that a word) who don't believe that. I work in Corrections, and one man accidentally killed his ex-girlfriend as a teenager. He is deeply remorseful. He is well behaved, has employment and has a family now. But the mother of his teenage girlfriend plasters his face all over social media, stalking him, finding out where he works.... The crime happened 30+ years ago. And people on social media start talking about how they will attack him.... He's on parole for life. He's turned his life around. He is so remorseful. So even though he is reformed, his life is in danger
It just feels so incredibly wrong to give a person who has done something heinous a 'clean slate' upon release from prison. It's rewarding these criminals with the ability to go through the rest of the lives NOT having to take personal responsibility for their past actions. It's also taking away the public's ability to know who they're dealing with by putting that information out of reach.
Having served their time does not undo what they did. If we were talking about more minor crimes, of course a clean slate makes sense to give people a chance, but once you get into the realm of things like brutal murder of children... Yeah, sorry, but you don't _deserve_ to be released AT ALL, let alone for the government to take steps to deprive the public of important information about their possible safety in order to make life 'easier' for them. The societal consequences extend beyond 'serving ones time'. I don't support vigilantism AT ALL. but it's hard to argue that it's 'wrong' to shun monsters.
@@KyrieChii Abso- bloody- lutly.
You know something bads about to happen when Ellie reads out a specific date
Thank you. I never heard anything about this story. Possibly because I’m Italian..
In my opinion, as per the Venables and Thompson case, I strongly disagree with anonymity in these cases.
People should know if they live close or even date some of these “ex” criminals.
Until I started watching your videos, I wasn't familiar at all with UK criminal anonymity. In America, we don't have that as far as I know. You can change your name when you get out of prison, but you will always be who you were. Of course, the US is a much bigger country. For big-name serial killers, they usually stay in prison, (our life sentences usually mean life) so that's not an issue, but it's easy for someone to commit a crime in, say Idaho, then move to Connecticut or wherever after they get out of prison. My problem with laws like anonymity is that so many of the people who are protected are people who have committed awful crimes and, quite frankly, don't deserve it. I would be outraged if I had kids and then unknowingly moved in a neighborhood next to someone who snapped and brutally murdered three children, I would be outraged.
Sorry. This will be a long reply, but I think it may clear some of your questions/thoughts:
I think we do have somewhat of an equivalent to “anonymity” in the US. However, I think it comes out of tax payers’ funds in some cities/states, which is absolutely DISGUSTING. However, I think they’re only allowed their first name to be changed. That only goes for public use, and I believe they have to have two forms of ID on them. One of their real name, one of their changed name. They mostly can’t get jobs, since everything on the legal side hasn’t changed. For instance, in the event they hand over their newer ID in an interview, a legal background search leads to their original identity, which could cost them the job, depending on who’s hiring. As for serving life sentences, you’d be surprised by how many disgusting serial murderers get out of prison long before their sentence is up, due to their lawyers stating they’re now a “reformed and better citizen”. At that point, it’s really down to the judge, and a lot get off. We just don’t hear about it because, like you said, the US is huge in population. Nearly 329 MILLION, to be clear. In my AP Forensics course for high school, we’d have a “Criminal of the Week”. My teacher would give us three major criminals set for release every Friday. She’d read off the crimes they’d committed, and we’d have to guess, out of those three, who’s release was actually approved. Surprisingly, it usually ended up being some of the most vile. Serial child rapists (who later went on to attack again), child murderers, etc. You name it, at least one -JUST OUT OF THE THREE WE TALKED ABOUT- got released every week. I’m not sure I’d like to know the correct number, nationwide, in which criminals with the same crimes were released. Because I took the course freshman year, and my teacher and I got along very well, I stuck around through my remaining years. Grading papers, setting up the class. Because I was so engrossed in true crime, she often let me pick the three criminals and do all the research for her enrolled students to then guess the following week. The research was brutal. The thought alone, some of these monsters even had a SLIVER of a chance for freedom was even more horrid. The justice system here does do some good. However, there are MANY times where it ROYALLY screws up.
Part of me despises the partial anonymity some get, especially coming from innocent people’s taxes. I also somewhat think it’s a good idea, as I don’t think it’s fair for someone else to be imprisoned for the potential murder of said criminal, all because they had everyone else’s safety in mind. These criminals aren’t worth the easy way out.
@@SneakySalaXander Thank you so much for your response! It's usually the rapists that get out early for some reason. And yes, I don't like that it's on our tax money. To be honest, I would rather pay for them to be in jail for the rest of their lives than to have to support them outside of jail, where they could potentially do harm to innocents. And not only is the US big in population, but also geographical size. So many people who campaign for prisoners' rights, which I understand, forget that there are evil people in our jails. I remember when the ACLU was cheering about how the Cheshire Home Invasion guys (which happened like two towns over from me) got off death row. Even though I am opposed to the death penalty, I still think they should have served their sentence because they deserved it for what they did to those women. I completely agree with your last point. That's similar to what happened to the man who shot JFK. He was shot on the court steps by another guy who thought he was doing the right thing by killing the president's killer. But he got arrested (his conviction got overturned, but the point is murder is still illegal). I think the question of criminal anonymity is one that we probably will never have an answer for because I don't think it's possible to answer it.
To me it sounds like witness protection in a way and someone has to pay for that and he doesn't deserve it. Smh. How is he even getting out???
day marie it’s not witnesses protection it’s just a change in ID forms
Laura Wachter the UK criminal justice system is a joke. Drug dealers get the biggest sentences while child molesters get a ‘warning’. And life sentences here mean about 10 years. Also being able to have anonymity is ridiculous I think. I really hate the UK criminal justice system, the only thing you get major sentences for is drug charges.
McGreavy should never see the light of day.
i feel as though for serious crimes, it shouldn’t be an option. people deserve to know if there’s a convicted murderer in their neighborhood.
I’ve lived in Worcester for the past few years, and I remember the local outrage during his parole hearing.
he was released on 12/6/2019, after 46 years in prison.
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Horrifying story !!! What a total psycho monster. You'd almost have to be demon possessed to do something this evil. He'd never be let out of prison in the USA.
i know, i can't believe he was let out! he deserves to be locked up forever, i mean what can't say that he would do something like this again?
Welcome to the UK I guess 😩 where drug dealers get more time than murderers, baby killers & rapists 😩
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The saddest part is if David would’ve gotten some help, he would have been a nice, sober dude.😔
Because, of his anger issues and drinking problems, he broke a family after they kindly welcomed him into their home.
it’s so interesting when i heard about you saying how strange it was that he flipped & turned into a triple murderer, reminds me of The Watts Case. so unexpected & baffling. Mcgreavy has been released in July 2019.
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Oml yes Eleanor your finally covering a case that recently I've been so passionate about, he doesnt deserve a new identity at all and he also deserves alot longer then 45 years
Normally I'm against new identities for cold-blooded killers. The only thing that speaks for a new identity is that he won't get attacked and can maybe better deal with his life when he has a new identity, as a consequence for behaving and apparently "getting better" in jail ... I don't know, I'm not sure and I can understand why you don't wanna voice your opinion on this because it's not easy.
I'm calling him a cold-blooded killer (and he SURE is one), on the other hand though this was SUCH a gruesome scene that it makes me wonder how this could get so much out of control ... he wasn't the first person who killed a baby because it cried (it's horrible how often it happens), but to kill the other children as well (who were silent) AND to do all these other cruel things afterwards? It's hard to wrap my head around this.
I live in worcester... Does that mean that I could easily run into him on the streets?
Also, I'm just bingeing your videos. I've got a jar of nutella, a bottle of pepsi, and my laptop.
My thoughts exactly...i don't wanna run into him in the spoons!
Me too
@@alixoxo2928 Yeah, it's freaky knowing that we could meet him at any point, or could've met him already.
Yep I live in Worcester as well! It's horrible to think about.
no!! murderers that have been released can’t go back to the place(s) they committed the murders.
He was only around the corner from me when this happened! I moved to Northern Ireland 17 years ago and I've heard hes been let out!
Tragic case, you did an amazing job of presenting information and everything, thank you for informing us! I appreciate you putting all this work into this
What a horrendous man... I feel so terrible for the children and their parents.
My solution for the anonymity debate: just don’t let him out.
Convinced he wasn't just drunk he had to have something else in his system also why would the parents let him near the children if he was known to be a drunk that's honestly just asking for something to go wrong
Yep makes no sense!
He was drunk and left alone with their kid AND slept in Paul's bed 🤦♀️
I don't like to be that person, but 'Clyde' (I'm sure that's his name I can't remember) has a legal obligation as a parent to protect those children and he didn't, recklessly leaving them with someone he knows could get violent while drunk. He knew how angry and drunk he was, even the neighbours knew his "dark side" but yet he let David stay unoccupied with his children. He could told The mother to get another way from work because David was a bit more tempered than usual and he didn't feel comfortable leaving him with his children, however, he didn't do that which I feel is negligent on his part as a parent. This is only my observation
Different times, people didn't know about this stuff that well.
I have relatives who are violent drunks. But when I was a child, they were still able to see me (when drunk). They never did anything though. David had more deeper issues than being drunk. People who have deep mental health problems can be easily irritated, and act in pure anger during those moments. Of course David's was a more serious case.
He clearly has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). He's a psychopath/ sociopath. A low functioning one.
This is such a bizarre story ... I think he might have been under the influence of some drugs added to alcohol. I don’t see how only alcohol can make someone snap like that
Alcohol is a drug
I don’t think he should have been released. But since he was, I don’t think he deserved anonymity. I think if he’s attacked for it, good. He deserves being attacked or murdered and more.
So should the parents deserve to be attacked as well because they played a part in their own childrens murder?
@@Lofi.kitten.baby2.0 they never played a part in the murder of the children??? Wdym
I’m from Worcester, this case is so sad, I’ve been waiting for u to cover this case thankyou 💕
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The Grace In space I'm eating cheerios right now :) The 5 different grain one, with milk and sugar. Upside to being an adult, you can eat what you want whenever you want, downside, you have to pay for it yourself :) Better luck tomorrow!
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Why can’t you have Cheerios for tea? It seems like any time is good for Cheerios, it’s one of the most healthy cereals you could ever eat lol.
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PLEASE DO THE CASE FROM MY SMALL TOWN IN GEORGIA ITS ABOUT KENDRICK JOHNSON PLEASE ITS STILL UNSOLVED
WHY WHAT HAPPENED??????
Omg this story is horrible. I feel so bad for him and his family.
@@hdhdhdhddhkalon He was a teenage boy who was found rolled up in a mat in the gym dead with his organs missing😭
@@702krissyt wow
In my opinion, he was murdered and the boy who did it, his father helped cover it up. He was in law enforcement, after all.
He shouldn't even be released from prison so I definitely don't think he should be allowed anonymity.
“He adored the kids”
_this case involves children_
uh oh.
Can you cover the man who has been accused of killing 6 women/children. He’s been named as the first serial killer of Cyprus. He’s called Nicos, sorry can’t think of his second name but should be easy enough to find. 💛
I was just expecting this to be any other crime story but this hurts. Physically. Like my stomach in churning
I'm from Worcester- My Dad was a police officer for 35 years and this was one of the cases they were trained on. A lot of the officers that found the children never went back to duty because they were so emotionally scarred. The children's parents are still local to the area and have basically said they will kill him themselves if he's ever released. He's a monster.
Me: Oh, the Monster of Worcerster? I don't think I know that case.
Eleanor: ...baby Samantha cried for her bottle...
My memories: Reacts to the phrase like a sleeper agent
Me: Oh, I DO know this case. Oh. OH NO.
honestly, eleanor's content is top notch & i'm pleased i found her channel. it may be a strange hobby, but i can sit & listen to her videos while drawing for hours.
i’ve been waiting for a new video like my entire life omg omg yes yes yes
Alisiana Oliver What a pretty original first name you have!
Sort of reminds me of Chris Watts (US, Colorado), who appeared as a model father until he killed his pregnant wife and small daughters, showing no remorse afterward.
its 3:30 am here in Australia but im still gonna watch it xx
I've learnt from watching these videos that if she reads a backstory of someone they're either the victim or they did something sketchy 🤣
I just love all your videos! They are so well researched, and presented with so much compassion for all involved. Thanks for all the great videos!!
You should cover the Daniel Morcombe case. It's is probably the biggest case in Australia and the police did a massive undercover investigation
He shouldn't even being out. He should die in jail. No matter what...we take 3 children lives im a very horrible way...he doesn't deserve NOTHING EVER.
He deserves no anonimity and deserves any bad thing that comes his way, he did horrible horrible things to these innocent kids, if he gets the same well let's say i won't be sad!
That guy was a monster in my eyes as soon as you said he went to the bar before watching someone else’s kids. Omg that guy is a monster.
Woo, Mary dodged a bullet. Her intuition was spot-on.
I am a huge true crime fan and usually this stuff doesn’t get to me. Obviously it’s tragic and I can’t express how much I feel for these victims families, but I can usually finish the video. This is by far one of the worst ones I have ever heard. I almost couldn’t finish the video. These poor kids went through hell and I feel terrible for them and their family.
Wow ur soo cool! Gives us a break ur not special everyone is like that
Tryshita Pytoshit damn you really heated over this huh? I was just saying that this case was incredibly brutal but okay.
@@parker7220 u stupid dumb bitch
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This was my relations, absolutely disgusting that they are even thinking about letting him out!!
I think he should be in the electric chair
I didn't know you were bi. So am I. I just love the way u tell these stories and your accent. AND You're so GORG! :)
Never heard of this one.
I'm from worcester and still live in Worcestershire.
Horrid awful case.
Never understand how people can murder, let alone murder kids!
Feel for the poor police who found the kids. That image will never leave them.
I find this video well creepy. Especially since I don’t live far from where this happened 😬🤮
Evie Proctor honestly same I only live 20 minuets away 😬
I only live 20 mins away too, weird that it happens so close to home😬
Omg were all neighbours!!
I live 20 mins away too😂