[1.5] The stars are a lie [World Structure Theory Prologue] - A Genshin Impact Theory
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- [EDIT] I accidently said that Scaramouche is the 14th Harbinger when he's actually the 6th. Sorry about that! [/EDIT]
This is not a perfect theory. There are a couple of holes in it and still a few unknowns I'd like to hammer out, so let's consider this a part one. We'll revisit this again in a later version update.
If you haven't played Unreconciled Stars, I do recommend you seek out a Let's Play of it because it's one of those weird plot relevant events.
(It also occurred to me after I finished that an Astrolabe is typically flat, and an Armillary Sphere is the round one. Ah well.)
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Scaramouche: walks in, says the stars are a lie, shouts “see ya suckers”, refuses to elaborate, leaves.
*insert giga chad meme here*
I love this man sm he has astronomical levels of swag
Or that skeletor meme..
Yeah that scaramouche is a big douche 🤣
...leaves.
Yeah Not to be seen for like 8 updates. haha
Scaramouche in 2.1: returns from being gone for a year, mocks our friend, takes the gnosis and leaves again
"The star, the sky, it's all a giant hoax, a lie..."
Galileo has left the chat.
I see a little silhouetto of a man,
Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango!
Thunderbolts and lightning, very, very frightening me
Galileo, Galileo
Galileo, Galileo
Galileo, Figaro - magnificoo
@@flywl4502 oh mama mia mama mia MAMA MIA LET ME GO
LMAO
@RUKAWA let him go
@@muhammadyaseer9673 BASMILLAH! NO WE WILL NOT LET YOU GO!
Never thought a gacha game could drive me insane not because the possible of gambling addiction, but it's because of the story. Legit, everytime i'm done doing my commissions, daily farm and resin. I find myself look up to the sky, set my eyes up to celestia and going crazy thinking of the story and the whole world of genshin impact.
Ikr. Everytime I look at Celestia I'm do I have to burn it or rebuild it. Can I burn it and rebuild it.
@@Phantom_Zone RIP Jade Chamber
It is so ominous up there. flying island what’s your secrets
@@PositiviteaTheFirst don’t remind me 😢
Ikrrr
Also have you noticed the loading screen quip you get sometimes “The stars in teyvat will always have a place for you”
YEAH THAT'S NOT CREEPY AT ALL
@@Ashikai IKR!! also im super glad u responded cause i was so proud that i remembered this LOL
Celestia sus.
It oddly sounds like a threat to the traveler....or maby the player...
@@p3gasus-M I always thought of it as it giving you a constellation as soon as you exist there, not a threat. But that also sounds possible
Khaenri'ah must've fought back REALLY hard 500 years ago, to somehow that conflict result in the death of 3 moons and probably the Dendro Archon's too.
well, we do know they had created secret weapons like the "field tillers" (ruin guards) that were "stronger than some vision holders" according to andrius, and they had dainsleif as a royal guard who is still alive and seems pretty strong/like a big deal. so i would say they were quite strong. not only that, but they also had very advanced technology both when it comes to alchemy/khemia (like say the alchemist gold) and the weapons they had created.
I would also add that there is a very strong chance that Khaenri'ah people tapped into the power of the Abyss, which may have been why their civilization got destroyed. It also seems likely that the Fatui's Delusions are based on this technology.
I suspect it might have something to do with preventing honkai from spreading since honkai is confirmed to adapt and improve along with civilisations (so the more advanced a civilisation the stronger the honkai, and Khaenri'ah is known for being quite advanced)
@@anapaulapedro7025 I’m not prepared to assume the Honkai are directly related to the main narrative of Genshin. Until we get some form of in-universe confirmation of the Honkai, making assumptions based on the lore of other games is fraught. Even within the same franchise, writers often like to tell different stories.
@@TheCheeseman1983 Yes I agree, it's just a cool thought I had and wanted to share
Note: the twins can summon constellations in their idle animation
I love this
Waittt holy this went so over my head. It has always been apart of their animation but somehow i never really thought about it. This game is exceeding my expectations of a ftp game
And I like the fact that when we summon and we get constellations it’s literally them falling from the sky
Oh but then we also get weapons from the sky, quite interesting
Fr, and there are multiple of them, each having lore and like memories
What if this means that the Player, us, not the Traveler, is actually the "Observer of the Quanta"? Making us all the more outside the realm and seeing other versions of timelines.. Even if it's a gacha game, I wonder if this could qualify as an excuse as to why the characters we collect are separate from the characters in the story modes. Meaning how the characters have been in our party forever, but no one ever knows us, saying they've met us for the first time and the like. =P
@@Iamafiremarshall no bc i thought the same?? anyway, i'm sure this isn't part of anything serious but when i did the dvalin quest thing, and we were meeting up at dawn winery to go to the old mondstadt, i could've sworn i heard jean say my ingame name, also not my real name, i was really taken aback and after the whole thing ended, i looked at the quest archives and listened to it again, but there was nothing to suggest that she said that name or anything that rhymes to it too. another is... um, i actually don't remember but i experienced it again, and this is the current i have so far of them calling my name, that i once again had to check the archives, i couldn't remember what quest it was right now, but it happened in liyue
@@Iamafiremarshall it's like how dainsleif always looks at our way from each visible angle of his line of sight
Video corrections:
- none right now
You just confused him with Timmy, not that much of a big mistake.
lmao you're so right
He was 6th Harbinger
@@yoiko89 ... Yeah, that's what the correction says. Did you have something to add?
Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the fandango?
As Dainsleif said:
"There are no coincidences. Everything is the fruit of the seeds planted long ago"
sounds like master oogway. good shit
@@potatopenguin5864 this is why Dainsleif is the best character in this game
Plot twist: Scaramouche is just a flat earther
😂😂😂
seems legit
He's right tho, becouse they're all in a simulation and scaramouche found it
This is gold lmao
AHA
Maybe that's why Celestia destroyed Khaenri'ah. Because they were using the ley lines to create humans through the art of Khemia, they didn't have a "destiny" and once they died, they could return back to the ley lines which would then pass on their memories to the next generation. The gods probably didn't want them to gain information or create humans from the ley lines which is why they destroyed Khaenri'ah. This is also kinda similar to what happened with Sal Vindagnyr. The King, I kinda forgot what happened, went to the Irminsul Tree to get knowledge from the ley lines which the Gods didn't like and so Celestia dropped the Skyfrost nail. Could it be the Great Tree that they don't want the humans to find out? Is that why when a civilization comes close to finding it, they are destroyed? Also I just rewatched the recent Archon Quest "We will be reunited" and our sibling says that "Until the Abyss has engulfed the thrones, my war with destiny will see no end" so perhaps does this mean that our sibling knows about the false sky and that all the people of teyvat have a destiny. So what the Abyss order is trying to do is destroy the false sky which is allegedly created by Celestia which will free the people. But this would also mean that everyone will die. Is this why Dainsleif is against the Abyss Order? And this is why Khaenri'ah is against Celestia. Not only did they destroy Khaenri'ah for getting to know the "truth" but also because they can control the people of Teyvat. Phew, that was long but I really loved your theory. I hope you continue making more❤️
That... IS AN AWESOME ADDITION :0
Can I credit you and fold this into a follow up theory?
@@Ashikai YES SURE YOU CAN DO THAT OMG!! 🤧
Dayum….
Why would the people of teyvat if they were free anyway?
Lolol, same thoughts man
Did you notice, moon and soon goes over celestia and not behind celestia.
Does that mean celestia is outside sphere.
Yeah, that's actually a clip in this video. I didn't grab one of the sun cuz I thought it was painful to look at lol.
But yeah, Celestia is farther away than the moon...
Guys i get goosebombed reading comments and i am so Happy to read all this !!! ❤️🤓 Definetly on Track! Like the City lifted Up in the Sky few hundred Years ago. I definetly hope that more people See the evidences to our world "created and Designed" on purpose in this Game.
Also if u go higher above celestia there is a red moon which means that both universes are actually connected related to the other video honkai and Genshin connected? (kiana being in both games) etc lmao
Edit I give u the link for the red moon vid in Genshin
ua-cam.com/video/41SuZdaOECs/v-deo.html
Edit: skip the intro thing if u want lol
It also could be possible that Celestia canonically dosnt actually exist? The sky is fake, the stars looked like a copy and pasted sheet that covers the world in a dome like a snowglobe....who's to say that celestia even exists? Celestia could be a a sticker attached to the sky and that's why the moon passes over it.
I'd just like to add that I'm pretty sure that one of traveler's voice lines says that the stars in teyvats sky are different from the stars of the other worlds that they've been to
edit: I checked to make sure and its the voice line named "About Teyvat"
the part im talking about says: "The skies here are full of stars, but they aren't the same ones seen from my home."
OH! Good point! I totally forgot about that. If we assume different worlds are technically different planets, then that would be incredibly sus. It's less sus if they're different universes since star placement would likely change... hmmm.... many thoughts...
@@Ashikai *SPOILERS*
if you have done the Caribert Archon Interlude Quest, the traveler tells Paimon that they and their sibling just looked up at the sky and point to which world they want to go to next. They wouldn't be able to do that if they went to different universes.
I actually think we've already seen the 3 moons already, the first one is in the loading screen before we log in, ircc, this one actually has moon cycles and is seperate from the one we see in game. The second one IS the one in game, the one without a moon cycle. The final one is the giant one in the abyss, where its eternally night.
I've counted 7 moons so far if you include the one that was in Stormterrors, within a couple of domains, the one in our teapot, the archipelago (which is arguably a teapot-like domain, though debatable rn)...
The lore of the books (there are several) mentioning the 3 moons state that they died long looooong before the rise or fall of Kaenri’ah, back before any true human civilization existed, when the Seelies reigned. The other moons we see exist in realms outside Teyvat proper and thus the sphere of influence of the ‘false sky’.
Came back to this bc of the 3.2 archon quest and Dottore blank out saying tevyat’s sky is fake and an illusion.
who played the 3.2 archon quest here and realized that this theory is now proven correct?
I don't know if this is related but I noticed that the namecard Liyue: In the Clouds which you get by reaching reputation lvl 7 in Liyue, has a mandala like image behind a moon, kinda sus mihoyo
O-O Now I have to go check that out. Thanks for the heads up!
I was crazy reading and analyzing the namecards for lore
JUST FINISHED THE DENDRO ARCHON QUEST, HE WAS RIGHT!
Two weird things I thought about:
1) The playable traveler has a constellation, with separate stella fortunas required for each elemental resonance. So either they *are* originally from Teyvat, or while they are in Teyvat their fate is being controlled by their constellation(s).
2) Now that Aloy is in the game as a "traveler from another world" it makes sense (lore-wise, anyways) that she doesn't have constellations; Aloy isn't really a part of Teyvat in the same way that the other characters are. Aloy has "outside energy" that was brought with her (though Aloy probably isn't canon, but it's still interesting to think that even the guest character is on-point with the lore).
Aloy is a little strange, for a couple of reasons...
1) As you pointed out, no constellation. That should make sense, considering that Aloy is an outsider to the world, but the Traveler is an outsider who has (as of this comment) 3 different constellations.
2) Aloy has a Vision. This is odd because the only character that shares the supposed 'outsider' status with Aloy is the Traveler, who doesn't have a Vision.
These two points almost seem contradictory to me, since these are two different characters who are supposed to be outsiders, but they have such different characteristics that would normally define an outsider to some degree.
(As you said, Aloy probably isn't canon, but it's still an interesting comparison.)
I sort of wonder if all of the vision holders of teyvat were somehow created in the travelers image. Like something or someone a long time ago tried to give humanity a bit of their power using visions to recreate the elemental control the twins have
Okay your #1 gave me literal chills because now Nahida actually said that our abyss sibling is from Tevyat and that their fate is being controlled by something… the foreshadowing is so crazyy
Intertwined fates and acquaint fates looks like a Astro lave as well.
and if you also look at the beta version of an intertwined fate, it resembles an astrolabe a lot, with the glowing orb in the center. And the current intertwined fate has that star like pattern of the stars on teyvat. Everything lines upp!!
Always remember: Aether and Lumine got Cubed in the beginning of the game. We are inside a giant pocket dimension that the archons (security guards) reside.
And the moon is infront of celestia. So I guess, we're really trapped inside a cube that unknown goddess created
Bruh I had to check the star thing myself and it's fucking real it looks like a dome wtf..... I feel like a crazy person god damn you mihoyo.
'We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.'
- HP Lovecraft -
Wait I'm still confused
I literally was just thinking about that. It looks like a dome, if you jump far enough you could touch it.
@@fioremio you could yh
@@fioremio maybe high enough like airplane height
Ashikai: So if the moon is always full, that means-
Me: it’s always werewolf season. Got it.
Started to play genshin and I'm addicted. Now to get some 5 stars 😭😭😭😭
Ahahaah welcome to genshin hell~
Enjoy your beginner days while you still can... because you'll eventually end up in the Artifact farming hell one day... But hey, you'll get a free Animal Crossing game mode at some point.
Ps4 or pc?
Save all you’re resins and resources! 😂
best video, my brain is exploding with ideas DAMN i love ur content :D
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Great video! Have been doing a lot of thinking about this as well, and I have some insights I'd like to share.
First off, in the Gnostic text, "Pistis Sophia" the cosmology of the world is described as a series of concentric spheres, known as the aeons. There are 13 of these, and each corresponds to a different material realm in the world, usually represented by the planets (at least, the things they thought were planets, at the time). The outermost sphere is the Zodiac, and it represents a barrier that cannot be crossed. Humans are trapped within it, forced into an eternal cycle of reincarnation by the demiurge. When a person dies, unless they have achieved the gnosis necessary to transcend the mortal world, their memories are stolen by the demiurge and stored in the Zodiac, while their soul is forced into a new body to live again. However, the beings of the heavens ensure that each soul is given a specific set of trials in each of their lives, with these giving them the opportunity to get closer to gnosis in each life.
On a tangential note, it would appear that the book "The Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies" is a loosely adapted version of the "Pistis Sophia", with the Pale Princess being a representation of Sophia, and the Prince of Light being her consort, Jesus, who attempts to lead her through the aeons to her own realm in the 13th.
Obviously, you can see the parallels, here. A person's constellation is made up of all the past memories of their previous lives, and by reading them, you can get a clue as to what sorts of trials you are destined to face in each life. I also happen to believe that hilichurls are humans that reincarnated into a lower form, but that's only my own speculation, so far. Your connection between the irminsul fruits and the stella fortuna is an intriguing one, and I will definitely be considering it in the future.
Secondly, I think you may have dated the death of the moon sisters too recently. In one of the in-game books, the three sisters of the moon tower are said to have witnessed the union of the first seelie and a traveler from afar, with a great catastrophe happening 30 days hence which killed the first seelie. This event predates even the archon war, so it would have been several millennia ago.
Oh, one other minor thing. The sustainer did not accuse mortals of "arrogance", but "arrogation". Arrogation is the taking of something without the right or authority to do so. It's a subtle difference, but in the context of your theory, she was not accusing humans of thinking themselves to be like gods, but rather, taking things they don't deserve.
Keep it up, I really like your videos!
Ooo I need to re-read the Pistis Sophia because I feel like I didn't get the whole picture. You explained it so beautifully!
You're probably right about the moon dating, but the moons are like this... crazy rabbit hole because every time I find out something new it opens up a new line of thought and it's a mess. Like, there's a moon in one of the domains, another on the loading screen, then obviously the one in-game, which is why I was only trying to argue the case of there being at least two moons during Khaenri'ah's fall - I just can't prove there was a third, or fourth or fifth, or that Khaenri'ah even has the same sky as Teyvat since they're technically "underground." Like, I can't even prove that the moons that died were Teyvat's moons and not the moons from somewhere else entirely... I want to look more into it a lot later. Curious to hear your thoughts on this.
As for arrogation/arrogance, they both use the same latin root, and I kind od read arrogating as a form of arrogance. In Chinese the literal translation was "overstepping one's station" which could really be interpreted either way (for arrogance/arrogation). I think the meaning is roughly the same here. Uh... probably.
@@Ashikai I should warn you that the cosmology of the Pistis Sophia is not internally consistent across all four books. That makes it difficult to make direct connections, but thinking about it from the perspective of a writer just looking for cool ideas, that was the overall gist I could interpret.
If you’re interested, I can post about the parallels I recognized between Pistis Sophia and Pale Princess, but it would be a somewhat lengthy post.
The moons issue is one I haven’t made much headway on, unfortunately. Though, the moon does appear to symbolize the ability to escape the material realm in Pale Princess, so it may represent the true path to divinity.
Just scrolling through the comments and see **lots of words**. Wow I could never have the devotion to write this
Dayummmmm
"Union of first seelie and traveller from afar" my brain: traveller's parents.
Okay, but watching this as in version 4.3 its really shocking still.
I went to every region to see if the sky was still like that but I noticed that there was a big part of the sky, that to me, looked like it was being torn apart, and I started to think it was because Focalors tricked celestia and changed the destiny of the people of fontaine, so that had consequences on the stars and now it looks like the false sky is breaking.
Also the stars in Fontaine looks different, there is no mandala pattern.
I just realized that the lullaby you can hear when the night opening screen is displayed is called "Dream Aria", and one of the moons was called Aria too... The voice sounds melancholic also, almost sad.
this woman predicted Irminsul
I don’t know if anyone pointed this out already, but Ganyu’s story quest animated cutscene, there is clearly a crescent moon, meaning that a moon with cycles definitely existed before.
Beautiful theory and attention to detail. This game has so much potential I just hope the "vision" for the world and story doesn't get lost down the road after 5 years.
Coming back to this after a long time:
So I'm a 3D artist, and I recently did a bit of a study on mapping the sky, and I could NOT get that pattern of the stars until I deliberately made the texture do that. I tried cubemaps, i tried HDRI's and tried procedurally generated stars and I couldn't make it "stretch" that way without forcing it.
As for the moon going over Celestia, its STILL not "fixed" so now I mostly believe it is a design choice. Like, its really not that hard to move a sky texture layer up or down in Unity(then again its not that hard to add 120fps to PC when Mobile has it...). They seem to have at least 4 different sky layers, the Stars/blue sky, Celestia, Moon, Clouds.
Also I'm still curious why we can't see Celestia from Inazuma, we could say "world curvature" but then again, we can see pretty much the whole skyline of Liyue and Celestia is much higher. They even force a loading screen between Inazuma and the other 2 Nations so they can load a different sky texture.
Oh! Another fun thing that the whole “souls are trapped in the Stella Fortuna” idea helps explain is the predicted appearance of Honkai characters within Teyvat. If the stars are purpose-built “soul nodes”, and if Teyvat truly is Project Arc from Honkai, it would stand to reason that Schicksal cloned or sequenced the dna of the known herrscher hosts and stigmata carriers, providing this seed of humanity “gods” to guide them, forever trapped in long sequences of rebirth. It’s as good as confirmed that Baal, or Raiden, is going to be extremely close in design to Raiden Mei, the Herrscher of Thunder from Honkai. And then there’s the Unknown God being near 1-1 Kiana/Sirin.
But… Wait no… why would they clone herrschers? Wasn’t ark an attempt to get humanity as far from the Honkai as possible?
Eh, Otto is a psychopath. There might have been some twisted reason.
I always thought that the death of the moon sisters happened wayyyy longer in the past. I’m not sure if there’s any evidence to back this up but I’ve always thought that the great calamity that needed the seelie civilization and the three moon sisters was the archon war.
What calamity and the first seelie pls explain
The events seem to predate the archon war because of the fact in one of the books it talks about how the moon sisters witnessed the creation of the first seelie and a calamity happened 30 days later (which I assume is the archon war) I don’t know much about the whole seeli thing so I’m trying to summarize one of the books. (The name of the book has to do with the 3 sisters in a moon tower, or something along those lines)
Celestia is one of the 'Three Moon Sisters'. The other two got 'eclipsed'. Celestia is the sole survivor, with its dim light.
@@smartfrenandromax6651 wait, really? is that a theory or somewhere you read?
@@makeawishond9 ^
Listening to you theory craft is enough to make me feel inadequate. I never realise there were so much lore hidden in plain sight. I am either too unaccustomed to games being this well made and took everything for granted or just didn't really care. It's like listening to VaatiVidya retelling the lore of Bloodborne or Dark Souls all over again. So entertaining. Got me invested in the game even more.
Or I'm crazy and you're perfectly normal.
in the genshin webtoon, the moon is definitely behind celestia - so that’s makes this even stranger
There's a lot of weird things in the comic that aren't in the game. For example, Kaeya had his vision at the scene where Crepus died, but canonically in-game he doesn't get his vision until AFTER that. They had to ret-con it, so we do have both versions.
The Manga came out quite a bit earlier during some early beta tests so they've changed quite a bit from CBT1 to Launch. I'm hesitant to accept much from the Manga as canon for that reason.
@@Ashikai i have yet to really read through the manga but doesnt it occur centuries ago? Perhaps something could have happened to cause it, but thats purely speculation
@@SicklySeraph It has 2 parts, one that is indeed in the past and one that is on the present
15:56 I'd also like to comment about how during the "we will be reunited" story quest when we found our twin, the twin said "until the abyss has engulfed the thrones, my war with destiny will see no end" so what if the abyss twin saw their own "destiny" or constellation and decided that they needed to change it and know how to.
I don't think it's a coincidence. I especially think that MiHoYo decided to let Scaramouche reveal that the sky is fake because he himself believes that his destiny is not controlled by the Gods. Unlike the Archons, Mortals, and all documented creations that draw their power from the ley lines, Scaramouche and maybe Albedo and the Traveler are the ones that are independent from Celestia's control.
I play in JP voice and its my first time hearing scaramouche in EN
but holy f*ck can i just say he sounds like he's seducing me or something
Mihoyo: "WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!!!"
Mihoyo:"These nerds really are giving us more ideas huh?"
We are all otaku to some extent...why else would we play an anime-styled gatcha open world game? 🧐
@@Majin_Fuu Idk I just like cute anime guys
Im otaku too and love anime game too, huh?
me here two years later hearing you talk abt irminsul and revival is SUCH a trip, esp with natlan coming up
oh my, it’s kind of hard to find really good unique theories with actual well sourced proof for genshin impact nowadays ever since we found out the sky was a lie for me personally. I really like this! even though its not canon (yet XD), i’m definitely taking it as headcanon :D. Mihoyo definitely would put the attention to detail with the dome look of the stars considering how much detail they’ve put into everything else already! funny enough, I did notice the dome circular-ish look of the stars too (ADHD has me over exploring a lot and complete almost nothing because of how curious I get with minor details XD) and I caught myself just looking directly up at the sky for a good few mins and noticed it looked a little too symmetrical and perfect? I had the gut feeling it meant something but I had no facts to connect it to at the time! So this really really satisfied my brain a bunch :P
And unnatural lol
Theory: The world of Teyvat actually exists inside the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles' cube. In Chinese mythology, time passes slower in heaven compared to on Earth. In the opening scene the traveller's sibling gets cubed first and sent to Teyvat which explains why they have seen things that have happened earlier in Teyvat's history.
A curious thing about the ley lines is that they could be used to teleport. If you check the description of the teleport waypoints on the map and the portable waypoints, it mentions some interesting stuff. Definitely needs further research!
I wonder if anyone except the traveler actually use the teleport?
Oh wait, kinda not because outsiders in inazuma can't go outside (??) while I could just jump out of inazuma
@@furiyriy Well if you went to Inazuma, Katheryne seems too suspicious. So take a mental note of that.
@@Sonicdaniel123 just met her and yeah she is a little bit weird
@@furiyriy I think I've read somewhere that people only thing of it as an ancient thingy and never really use it. I forgot where I read that sorry
I love your theory videos, shame there isn’t much recognition. Hope you get content out regardless. Only stuff i genuinely enjoy
TBF I just started and they're getting a lot more visibility than I ever expected. I'm happy just to share my thoughts, so this is fine!
Thanks for enjoying them! :D
Coming here from late 2022 and this entire video just blowing my mind and still being relevant, if anything even MORE relevant????? 2022 commenters unite and add more comments with all the updates. My head is swimming with all these ramifications
Apparently, the Triquetra symbol is a symbol of destiny. It would make sense for it to be the symbol of Celestia since they care so much about destiny. Also, the Mandala apparently symbolizes the idea that life is never ending and everything is connected. Perhaps like a Triquetra symbol. I believe the fates we use to pull characters are also connected to this theory as they look like an astrolabe and have mandala lookin shape on the side. The primogems we use to buy these fates are also probably connected to this theory. And the genesis crystals we use to buy primogems.
Primogems are literally the star symbols and the genesis crystals the triquetra.
Intertwined Fate:
A fateful stone that connects dreams. Its glimmers can entwine fates and connect dreams, just as how its glimmer links stars into the shapes of a heart's desires.
Acquaint Fate:
A seed that lights up the night. No matter the distance apart, guided by the stone's glimmer, the fated will meet under the stars.
Primogem:
A primordial crystalline gem that's beyond the mundane world. Shines with the condensed hopes and dreams of universes that once were.
Genesis Crystal:
An energy crystal from the very origin of the universe. Formed from within nothingness out of pure potential and hope, it contains enough energy to create a newborn star.
There's a lot of stars being mentioned here. I can't believe wishing/gacha is such an important element in the lore.
i like your theory. its really interesting and seems quite plausible. i really hope we get more canon information regarding the false sky and constellations
very amusing to come back to this video after playing through the sumeru archon quest and hearing what dottore said to nahida at the very end!!
I wish mihoyo doesn't think that players will forget the lore then make a contradictory storyline
When we "Wish" for characters and weapons they fall from the "Sky" to be in our possession.
Could this indicate that the Player, us, not the Traveler, is actually the "Observer of the Quanta"? Making us all the more outside the realm and seeing other version of timelines.. "We've always had enough time *sibling*."
Even if it's a gacha game, I wonder if this could qualify as an excuse as to why the characters we collect are separate from the characters in the story modes. Meaning how the characters have been in our party forever, but no one ever knows us, saying they've met us for the first time and the like. =P
4:30 I believe two of the moon sisters might have survived since the book mentions the moon in the sky we see today as the 'pale corpse'. Also, I'd like to believe that the dead sister is just imprisoned on the moon rather than actually being dead.
same. also because just one out of 3 of the trifecta things are broken.
Dayumn, This gal knows what she's talking about!
Woa looking back from the 3.2 recap video you improved your video making skills a lot!
This video needs to be reworked and updated after all we have seen in Sumeru so far, I think you are pointing in the correct direction where the lore is taking us in the middle and possibly the long term
Its interesting that the inside of the sky pillar from Dragonspine also features a similar blue gem like material inside it that looks somewhat similar to the material inside the fruit and constellation rocks. Definitely supports the idea that the leylines power is being used for the false sky (Also as a side note since the statues of the seven have a similar appearance to the sky pillar I wonder if maybe they're actually sucking away at the leyline energy somehow)
This aged very well
I remember starting Genshin during this event, but not fully getting into this game until recently. Now I regret not experiencing it when I had the chance.
The symbol on the transmutation table looks like the symbol inside of stormterror's lair
in the middle are two rings that rotates clockwise with 4 dots
2 along the inner ring and 2 along the outer ring, 1 dot is filled in while the other 3 are hollow
i think this represents the sun and 3 moons of teyvat but it could be something else
watching this in fontaine patch and first thing i remembered when you mentioned astrolabe aside from monas cons is monas room in the GAA event where we visited monas room. There being 2 objects similar to such
i actualy found the star pattern since the 1.3 ver, i thought how weird is that because scatter pattern is significantly easier to make than that star pattern! glad that you mention it
I think the description of a new drop from ruin machines plays right into this theory. "In the ancient past, these ruins were once part of a civilization mighty enough to almost touch the dome of the firmament, while "ruin" still waits in the deep places of the earth, awaiting the order to arise and tread all kingdoms underfoot." Oh, there's also a moon in the spiral abyss.
I’m making that very same face Paimon made when Albedo was speculating and about her.
It’s a shame we can’t replay story quest. I missed this Fichl and Scaramouche quest in my second account.
Imagine Zhongli pulled a Thanos and launched the moon to Kheanri’ah
Lmao.
The whole astrolabe theory could actually be supported further through the traveller. Think about it the twins are compared to stars in the game, intergalactic travellers who have actually confirmed that there are real stars and galaxies and whole other worlds out there. They've been to dozens of worlds, they get to teyvat and not only is their powers stripped from them by the unknown god but they physically cannot leave. In other words the stars can't return to the sky if there's no visible sky to return to, almost like they were placed under a dome of some sort OR a false sky. Basically they got caught in a cage and technically the only way to escape is to destroy the ceiling ergo challenge celestia, the only threat above the fatui and abyss that is repeatedly brought up in the game.
3:04 There's this thing Ashikai says about the moon not having a phase in Teyvat, which, is absolutely real in gameplay. But even though it all made sense to me at first for two years now, isn't the lantern rite festival in Liyue supposed to celebrate the first full moon of the year ?
You could say they're celebrating it on Jan 1, but is made to coincide with the real Chinese new year. But why would they celebrate a moon that is always there...?
It's amazing how consistent the evidence points to the same world style.
I'm curious about door at the login page, at night you can see that the moon there is always waning it's never full. In comparison to game's constant full moon it just seems interesting.
To me it looks like the "login" sky is different from the "game" sky.
The presented reasoning concerning the remaining moon being closer to the player than celestia certainly is interesting.
seems to have been patched tho, at the very least as of version 3.4 and east of the "starfell lake" staute at 4am ingame time
Ye there's a few things in this video that have not aged well in terms of proof but that's okay because we've basically got verbal proof in the game now so there's that. Right conclusion wrong equation.
update: there's also a giant astrolabe in the court of fontaine
It's just a fountain
The irmensol (sp?) fruit fragments also look a lot like the canned knowledge capsules introduced in Sumeru...
Before we had Araki forgot
It's time for Mihoyo forgot
The -world- universe building in this game blows me away. I love all the little details hidden in plain sight.
Superb video and I love listening to you speak. You definitely deserve 100k+ subscribers!
So i definitely have noticed everything you mentioned - id love to hear your thoughts when you saw the Raidens domain having a blood moon within it.
Amazing summary. I sadly missed Unreconciled Stars (I came in midway through albedo’s banner) and I’ve been sore about it since I discovered it had existed.
One of the things this makes me think of is that perhaps teyvat isn’t the “result” of Honkai’s Project Ark, but that it *is* the arc. The characters live on a small, constructed world- perhaps even a disk or ship - with a simulated sky.
That definitely conflicts with a few things, though. But it’s a thought.
Other unsubstantiated theory: perhaps the other moons were lost in the fall of Kanreiah because the gods literally used them as weapons, pulling them from whatever counts as their “orbit” and dropping them on the nation. And then again, maybe the 3 moons are a metaphor for… something. I’m tired and have had too much sake.
You’ve fast become my favorite Genshin youtuber. Thanks so much for all the work you put in to these videos. Can’t wait for the next one!
Yeah, I've been thinking along those lines myself lately. Like the ark floated through space, met some kind of anomaly and a bubble universe was born OR a universe was born INSIDE the Ark which was originally a simulation - if they can't find a world where the Herrschers are defeated, maybe they can run a super computer simulation until they *make* one.
^current theory. Has holes but I still like it.
Thanks for all the input! I'm glad you're enjoying these :D
scharamouche is just self aware he's a character in a game
This also explains the war that the sibling talks about
Thank you for making these. Thoroughly enjoyed it!
In a short amount of time I have become quite the fan of your channel. I am playing through the sumeru archon quest right now, and the more I learn the more I feel shocked on how on point you might be. I almost feel like the Archon quest is about to spell out a lot of whats going on with this false sky buisness as well as irmensyl and I already had a theory about the akasha being a way to manipulate leyline energy to creat an information network.
oh this gives me goose bumps!
If I happen to have your eye for a millisecond I have GOT to share this with you. You know the giant field tiller in sumeru's jungle?
I noticed it was laid to rest, directly facing Celestia. I dont believe theyve revealed the full map, but I suspect this means Snizniah is probably in the direction it's back is facing.
I was thinking this because Kahnreah might have retreated in that direction, while the battle was being lost. I am fairly certain Snizniah (the only nation to make something as wicked as dilusions, and false adeptal talismans AND uses machine armored henchmen) is made up of some degree of survivng Kanrians who were not cursed.
Just a thought, that has left me paying closer attention to the details of other fallen or inactive rune gaurds
Very pleasing narration!
Well done!
Okay but this theory is so crazy after the Sumeru archon quest… the energy amplifiers and Stella fortuna look like the knowledge capsules. The reveal of forbidden knowledge fits with this too. Would love it if you made an updated version of this video
I think one of the moons is in the start screen when we load up the game. That place looks to be the same place where we encounter the unknow god and it too has a day and night cycle. My guess is 1 moon is in teyvat, 1 is in khaenri'ah and 1 is in the abyss.
Please never stop making videos. Content like this makes me appreciate Honkai and Genshin even more
I think you might want to look at the Clock on Marjorie's shop in Mondstadt, just on the front of the shop there's a clock that has separated planets, one sun and a Strange star below what I think is the Abyss
Everyone says that, but that clock is confusing and missing pieces. I have zero theories on it.
The way you talk is so...pleasing to the ears?? Idk how to word my thought well but I really adore listening to your videos, you make everything digestable and interesting at the same time. Thank you so much T.T
Given that Celestia is now a 3D model as opposed to a sprite, that means (if your theory is correct) it's now on the inside of the closed system that is Teyvat. Celestia probably knows what the Fatui are doing and is making preparations to deal with the problem before it gets out of hand.
I half expect Scaramouche to say: "When Teyvat starts to settle, Celestia throws a stone at it. And believe me, she's winding up."
After nahida archon quest its kinda scary that you're almost explain everything correct
Scaramouche was fucking right, holy shit
Holy shit i just noticed we see the full red moon again on the 2.0 version trailer
There's a loading screen tip that I think outright proves that the stars aint that far.
Constellations:
Wherever you go, whatever life throws at you... In Teyvat, the STARS IN THE SKY will always have a place for you.
what if they meant that literally? That the stars are literally just in the sky.
Can you tell me what that’s means?
definitely the most elegant hypothesis about the "truth of this world"
Nice video! I really like the idea of the buffs being borrowed memories from the rocks
Have anyone thought of the idea that this world might be the one that is cut from the real one? And the harbinger wants to destroy this veil and reunite with the real one?
Dottore will agree with you on this
im gonna write a whole book of fan theory lore of this little man
Great video!! A friend recommended me to you during your FEH days, and as someone who has gone into hiatus for FEH while playing Genshin, your content is great ^^ Looking forward to future videos you put out!
Ahaha same hat! Dropped FEH for Genshin and I'm honestly having more fun. :D
I wish they bring back old events
Also Liyue and Beidou, both yet again have a night themed reference with Liyue literally meaning jade/glazed moon and Beidou means big dipper
Omg I've been binge watching your videos! Why have you not got more subscribers!! 😱 your theories are amazing!!