[2.5] Imperatrix Umbrosa Act 2 Analysis - A Genshin Impact Theory
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- Raiden Ei's second story quest, Imperatrix Umbrosa Act 2 was an excellent depiction of her character development! I'm glad we finally have a quest that fleshes her out.
In this video we'll have a very quick recap of the events, followed by some analysis on the new information received in said quest. Lots of talk about timeline alteration shenanigans, so bring your A-Brain!
*TIMESTAMPS*
0:00 Intro
1:10 Disclaimer
1:43 Quest Recap
6:35 The Parable of the Sacred Sakura
13:00 Understanding Leylines
18:30 The Tree of "Time"
31:15 Outro
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Time and Wind (Island and Quest)
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Venti
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Raiden Ei
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Yae Miko
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Geo Specters
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**NOTES**
- Interesting update for the scene where we travel through the chaos-space thingy: Upon closer frame-by-frame analysis, every shard here appears to be the Traveler's memories specifically. It DOES change the connotations a bit, but honestly? I think that makes the whole field of Cecelia's even WEIRDER. I don't remember seeing that in game ever...
Cecelia's field?
the cecelia field reminds me of the quest where we were looking for signs of our sibling with Dainslief and also all the cecelia imagery in some of the genshin art of the twins together like the promotional art for the quest I just mentioned.
I just want to know if all the important trees in teyvat currently are connected. I feel like...I need to go back and see how old each of them are because this seems a lot bigger of a reveal for what the Sakura tree does and how it came to be. If every important massive tree is the same age as the sakura then...man...o.0
@@Balbaneth but i think only the Sacred Sakura and the Azdaha tree have magical origins while the one in Mondstadt one is natural tree
@@Ren_rz ah, dont forget the dragonspine tree too. man, so many tree lore.
If ley lines carry the history of the world, Hoyoverse should definitely add a ley line tree that you can enter to replay story quests you have played before.
I've been wondering if they would ever implement replay quests for either mora or talent books or hero's wit and this seems like a good way to do so
literally its not this hard!! i just wanna re experience events ;((( albedo!!!
@@The1andonlysharpshooter Seriously. Why have we downloaded a bunch of story info only to play them a single time?
Storage
@@chiliiCh damn then they should give us the option to want to download that bit or not in the game. that way some have it and some dont. it can be like an extra free app but called a “DLC” that just adds to the main game. That way its not sitting in the main game’s code and making storage harder for people who cant handle it. Play station (consoles) and pc rarely have a problem with storage so its honestly just a missed opportunity.
Ashikai's worst enemy: time lines refusing to be a line
Time is her enemy.
Time squiggles hehe
@@Zarozian As eternity was to Ei
The God of Lore' enemy is Lore itself
@@Kelly-qi4zk in the channel of lore, there is a push for folly but the god of lore doesn't make arguments against it
No one:
Kaeya: *THIS MOMENT WILL BE FROZEN IN TIME*
And maybe that's why we didn't have venti act 2 till this moment, he is strictly connected to big part of the lore of genshin impact.
Yeah we might get his part two after all the other archons get their part 2.
I wouldn’t say big part but some
Hmm perhaps Venti’s little “trick” done to the broken Holy Lyre is an Easter egg pointing to his ability to control or manipulate time
Mind blown...
But that was an illusion
@@Beastgaming.9 Venti did have a very very close relationship with the goddess of time herself.
An intersting to note is that Makoto's speech is "Eternity extends time into infinity, dreams illuminate each moment within."
Meanwhile Scaramouche's speech is "eternity stretches things out over a long time, but each moment within it becomes all the more fragile" which does suggest Teyvat running out of time, if the egg and seed parallels ring true.
Nice catch!
personally I feel like it's a revelation from the grim explanation of Scaramouche's speech.
As the dreams illuminate the moments things get renewed.
In addition of the explanation on how dreams are different from ambitions.
Excellent catch.
That's cool!
Another interesting point that seems noteworthy is Zhongli's lines in his story quest about "if our history is engraved in your memory, it will one day accompany you into another world." And Ei's voice line " Just like I cherish the memories of everything in Inazuma, if you remember me, I'll live forever." After listening to your theory these might take on a different meaning...
This also implies that the Traveler is far older than Zhongli and will surely outlive him too. Zhongli knows way more than what he lets on and same with Venti with his connection to Kairos which seems to give him omniscience.
@@Zarozian I don't have a source on this, but I remember -- I think Ashikai -- mentioning how the Travelers are literally older than the stars. They "witnessed the birth of some stars" or something. The Travelers are extremely old.
@@horizon146 this is late but in Raiden’s voiceline, the traveler mentioned that they were the stars in the sky
Did anyone else notice the mention of the heavenly principles when Ei plants the Sakura tree? "Eternity extends time to infinity, dreams illuminate each moment within. When both shine in unison, the sacred sakura blooms from the darkness. Finally free from the clutches of the heavenly principles." Could this mean that Makoto went to Khanria in the hope she would get killed so she could set up this plan where Celestia and the heavenly principles may not notice her tampering with time? Or something along those lines... perhaps when the sakura is planted between memories, or outside of the actual timeline Celestia or the heavenly principles are not able to notice it occurring. This could also be why Khanria is underground or set apart from time, so it would go unnoticed, at least for a while. Perhaps the time God wants to also subvert the heavenly principles and that's why they helped Makoto.
or she simply didnt wanted Ei to leave inazuma .. attacked by monsters ?
if Ei followed Celestia into war .... who would protect inazuma? .. it makes perfect sense from her point
pacifist left stronger sister to protect her people under siege
,,, also heavenly principles .... can be easily translated from original as "natural laws"
so its extremely unspecific and can mean anything ... thats why they mention it often
even gravity could be called " heavenly principle" ....magnetism ... light.... presumably elemental magic as well
@@alanea5860 i get that but why then would they even mention heavenly principles? why is the unknown god called the sustainer of heavenly principles? it's just been used too much and in too specific of places to be written off as not meaning much or not meaning anything at all. if time can be changed, that would mean a breach of law, but those laws are literally strictly defined by humans and archons. natural law, which does not have to be defined to exist, by ur description, would then include the ability for time to be changed, it would not be a breach at all. whatever she's trying to sustain is quite literally heavenly principles, principles enforced by her because they need to exist to satisfy celestia's expectations for anyone below them. it would also be strange of makoto to do this. we don't know if ei would've went to khaenri'ah. while it makes sense that she knows her limits as someone who rarely battles, she is still the electro archon of that time and had the most control tied with ei over the electro element of any living being that is not a god in celestia. i'm sure she could've handled monsters if needed. even then, makoto dying doesn't necessarily prevent ei from dying. i'm not sure how ei DIDNT die, she went to khaenri'ah when the fighting had died down but if they were wanting to kill anyone and everyone that seemed to oppose the heavenly principles, would they not have tried to kill ei too when she looks exactly like makoto as her twin? i definitely think makoto did something deliberate here. it makes sense that she wouldnt tell ei because ei wouldve been opposed to it, she knew she was going to die on this mission it seems and i believe, especially after this theory, that makoto absolutely knew more than she let ei know, more than she let anyone know. this is also a written fictional story in a video game, i see no reason for istaroth to be explicity brought up, so explicitly that the text has a footnote that says "istaroth" in ei's dialogue referring to makoto and the potential source of her hidden knowledge. hoyoverse is deliberate with their writing, i see no reason to believe it is something as simple as that
@@bbbbbbbbbbbrbbrb they mention heavenly principles on many places interchangeably with man other terms
'"arious translations of "天理" include;
"Heavenly Principles" (Opening Cutscene)
“Heaven” (Liyue Archon Quest; The Fond Farewell),
“Destiny” (Lumine/Aether Quest; A Soul Set Apart),
“Natural Order”, (Azhdaha Quest; Amidst Chaos, the Rock Is Unmoved)
"The Divine", (Travail Trailer; About the Hydro Archon)"
"
so its pretty universal thing lost in translation
Sustainer job was likely to stop Gold the only time shes mentioned or seen is in khaenriah
Gold basically break natural laws .... causing cataclysm as side effect of his experiments with alchemy ( basically fake way to control elemental magic for untalented beings)
.. hmm no archons dont defend heavenly princples same as humans ... actually zhongli mention them just once while talking baout raiden .. venti not at all
... Ei definitely dont care about satisfying celestia :D its literary declared that she severed ties with celestia and no longer care about them
.... err clestia killing makoto is just crazy theory with 0 basis
... makoto might be archon but she was definitely weak pacifist
tits even mentioned her sword tasted blood first time when she died
remember god of salt?
not all gods are strong ... its kinda hinted Ei killed any competition to makoto .... so yes its possible some rifthounds would devastate her:D
.. it seems quite clear = inazuma was under attack ... and makoto left Ei behind to protect it ... if ei weint into khaedriah makoto would hardlyd efend inazuma against monsters .... when even Ei struggled with them
So just like what Otto did in Honkai
Makoto said she went there bc no other archon could ignore during that time.
Well, one thing's for darn sure now: If time is so heavily associated with trees, and thus plants, I think I know why Dendro isn't available yet. That country's going to be very, very interesting.
Yeah, I always assumed that fogginess the MC felt after leaving Shoguns Castle, was her Electro Eye following him out. Her exact words were she’d let him leave the premise alive. And it’s no coincidence she struck immediately, after the MC cross the gate. Using Raiden In-game it wouldn’t make sense to have such a feature. But story wise, those could be the effects of having Raiden’s divine gaze on you when your considered a threat.
That event is now very very sus. Like how on earth did Kazuha and the resistance arrive on time when the Shogun will strike? And it just so happened that Kazuha can block that strike from the Shogun? What if that so called dizziness, is not the result of Raidens weightiness, but actually the God of Time, Istaroth messing with the timeline and the traveler sensed the disturbance of space-time in the form of dizziness? Could the reason Kazuha being there is the traveler in the future alter the past and arranged Kazuhas arrival? Its was a pivotal moment in history where Ei changed her stance to end the vision hunt decree. So the God of Moments interfering in that event makes a lot of sense.
the whole leyline with memories of people and of the world, makes me wonder more and more about the wangsheng funeral parlor and its existence. though we do have a bit of information on them, it feels like they have some big clues on what could come.
"The less you know, the better"
-Hu Tao, on multiple occasions
Could “crossing over” and the domain we go into in hu Tao’s story just be a ley line?
@@Eric-hx2rk She outright said the Domain with the ghost is a point where the leylines meet
@@Eric-hx2rk Definitely not a ley line, but the main are at the end is probably just the spirits entering the ley lines.
The Boatman questline on Tsurumi island also ties into that, for sure!
There's another line that's been bugging me
Makoto in the final cutscene says "the sacred Sakura blossoms from the darkness FINALLY free from the CLUTCHES of the Heavenly principles"
This could mean either the Sacred Sakura is a symbol/ a metaphor of being free from the bounds of the Heavenly principles
OR
she made multiple attempts of this seed to the future thing that she did but was always stopped by Celestia
Yeah, I left that bit out because I'm not sure what to make of it either. @_@;
I wonder if the Tsarista’s master plan was formed with Makoto’s help during the Kaehri’ah incident.
@@darylewalker6862 could be possible
I think that the part where only an hour passed in Teyvat for the traveler to get Yae while 500 years passed for Ei was not that time moved differently. I think that the 'time' in the domain is just one long (maybe linear) axis, and depending on the traveler's will, they could choose which point to arrive at. For our traveler, it was the point where they could bring Ei out of the Oneiric Euthymia. If the traveler didn't have the will that Yae mentioned, we could have ended up just where we left, at the start of the battle.
All I can say is HOLY FREAKING CRAP MY MIND IS BLOWN.
*this literally re-contextualizes so many things, Venti’s voiceline, Kaeya’s appearance in mondstadt, further context to how some of the domains work, just… AAAA*
Ashikai is too big brain for all of us omg, this makes so much sense. You’re freaking amazing man.
Did you notice that the Traveler broke through a physical barrier in order to join Ei? And it was dome shaped.
I think Israroth created an instance with Makato knowing they’d need the Sakura’s purifying ability to stave off the corrosion and buy them a little time.
Perhaps that instance is acting like a bandaid over an inevitable moment. Which, like you said, is not changing the timeline but merely shaking it up.
Perhaps the way forward requires the moments to be arranged correctly and that’s what we are seeing 🤷🏻♂️
9:48 I am not entirely convinced that she knows about Istaroth specifically. She could have just known her sister's power and known that she can't do this. The name could have just been for us - the player.
Though it was Yae who prompted this response which is so weird...
There was a translation update that changed the implications of this line a little bit. So that's possible. Regardless, the text and name is still provided to us explicitly so I'm not sure it changes much.
I mentioned this on Teyvat Historia "The First Heir is attempting to raise Enkanomiya" video. We might have an instance of where a FAILED timeline spit occurred. And it has to do with Aether being the Abyssal Prince when you the player PICKS Lumine.
HoYoverse says that both twins' stories are canonical. They have also gone to great lengths to show us through dialogue, cutscenes and interactions, that the story remains the same regardless of some slight preference between the Travelers. (Aether being clumsy at crocheting while Lumine is excited during Thoma’s hangout to be a subtle preference variance) But this Mirror experience is only applied to the Traveler we pick in-game.
HOWEVER, the Abyssal Sibling of Lumine and Aether has a different reaction when we meet them again. Not in what they say but HOW they are feeling at that time. Venti is aware of this change but also not aware of the difference at the same time. The ONLY thing that hasn’t been adjusted in the game based on the Sibling we pick is the Gnostic Chorus we see in the battle pass. At first, I was on the side that this CAN’T be about our twins because it’s ASSUMES the Lumine is the one that failed at her task. If You Pick Aether as the twin the player uses this is a "Lumine" story.
But now we have a "truth" that Venti and Aether only knows if you Pick Lumine as the traveller! And what I mean by this is that Aether the first time around tried to SAVE Lumine from her fate. He managed to do this at the end of HIS journey but instead of creating a new Timeline. HE ends up repeating this journey in her place. HE fails to change fate. The Story Stays the SAME, but now he fills the role Lumine once had. And this may be because it NEVER mattered which twin takes the Journey as their fate is to fill both roles regardless because they are twins to create change.
Now the reason I think this is the case is that Lumine is Angry at Dani when we meet her on Aether's path and her journey hasn't ended yet either. While Aether is sad to see Lumine and Dani. Aether knows he can not change anything on this journey taken already and he is sad he has to send his sister Lumine down the same road he took. He’s not mad/livid at Dani’s but still warns Lumine as she did for him the first time around to Dani’s role in the story. But there is no animosity there just concern, he’s is only concerned for Lumine at this point of the time for him. It is why Venti is telling the same story regardless of which Twin we take either because this is the first past he remembers of the twins. It wasn't overwritten because it's either the past for Aether's path or the catalyst for Lumine's path.
This doesn’t change the story because we are still heading down the same path but it is another example of the time laws in the world of Teyvat at work.
I think i get it why there were now consequences to Ei's seed planting and tempering with time
As you gave the example of otto's time splitting, i think Ei didn't face consequences because she wasn't the actual cause of time distortion (and I don't think it's a timeline split for Genshin, it's more like rewriting the timeline) the one who did the tempering was Makoto which would also explain her being killed (if by Celestia) since I doubt Celestia would allow even the Archons to temper with time
I say Makoto was responsible because even if Ei might've been the one who planted the seed Makoto was responsible for creating and giving the seed to Ei in the first place, Ei only acted as a medium for Makoto's time tempering
I think Makoto saw a future where Inazuma didn't survive the cataclysm due to both sister being absent from there so no one to defend the nation, thus Makoto's line " hope it buys you some time" in hopes that Ei manages to return to Inazuma in time to save it
Ei being able to plant the seed 500 years, at first i thought they somehow traveled back in time which is possible but, i think they didn't travel back in time more like the consciousness domain travelled to the future. It's rather confusing but hear me out, by traveling to the future I mean the consciousness stopped updating itself the moment Makoto died which means the domain is kinda stuck in before 500 years while also existing today
But this doesn't mean if they leave they'd be in the Inazuma of the past because I think this weird phenomenon on occurs within the domains's real world area of effect which is rather small even if it appears to be infinite (just a little around the gateway or in the mountains radius)
yooooooooooooooooooooo. mind. blown.
but khaenriah killed makoto tho
a superposition state, because when makoto die, the observer for the domain is not exist anymore, a quantum phenomenon when not observed can superpose in time and space. We also know that mihoyo is quite knowledgeable about quantum physic and some advance math like imaginary number, riemannian manifold,...If that the case, we can conclude that domain is a quantum entity, a closed space-time system that isolated from the world with weird physic property like imaginary space in honkai. Imaginary space from honkai is a parallel backup space for god-like being like herrscher, husk nihilius, husk monster that exist and follow the space-time structure of a riemannian manifold can be bend at will but it not connect to the time flow of the outside world if not connect to. It can not be enter if not have a permission, only with "void" power can force a way through by using some higher dimension coordinate system to locate the "out universe" location of the region itself. So tl;dr its quite similar and follow the same rule for all universes in hoyoverse.
@@tripedal2063 we don't know that yet
@@quantranhong1092 oooooooooohoooooooooo mind blown 🤯🤯🤯🤯
One of the most important clues that we got from the game is the line that lumine said when she leaves in the mission we will be reunited.... .. she said "we always had enough time" reffering to go and travel arround the world no matter how it longs, we have ALL THE TIME.
This means that lumine already contacted with astaroth? Do they have a plan??
its definitely possible, cant forget we were speaking with a sibling who already completed their journey and has learned the truth of this world. no way she didnt mean something 3deep5me
Two things: First on the future only effecting the past. It does make sense. The wizard could go back and prevent Vera from getting the virus, but only the past Vera, the Vera in the present would still have the virus. I know that seems weird because wouldn't that make two Vera's? Maybe? Maybe once time catches up it erases the Vera with the virus but the current one keeps going like time is a big loop or there are seperate timelines.
The other is I think the first Ei quest was important as it showed her the world is changing regardless of how the Shogun tries to prevent it and how her inaction was causing serious diplomatic issues. Otherwise the growth in the second quest would feel too forced and the fact she was just wandering around make even less sense.
In my reading, Ei's first character quest is more than just things changing despite her push for eternity.
Firstly in that quest, she remarks that things change but some things remain the same. This is after her duel with the Clan's heir.
Recall that, in the Archon quest, what specifically caused Ei to yield was not the Traveler's strength, but rather the wills of the visions residing in the statue.
Thus, she was remarking that while Inazuma had changed, the will of the previously honorable Kujou clan remained in that heir.
This all coalesced into Ei completely understanding Makoto's views and Makoto's own speech "Eternity extends time into infinity, dreams illuminate each moment within."
Hey! Just wanted to add about the future affecting the past thing. The magic that I find about the explanation Ashikai presents for the whole "time travel" situation is that you're kinda not affecting time itself, or like an event. You're actually adding something, and letting time itself find its way to fix it.
The thing that differs the most between our normal understanding of the possibility for time travel in our universe against Teyvat's, it's that ours doesn't appear to have the level of "consciousness" of this one, where if you break something here, it's broken forever. In Teyvat time appears that it can fix or heal on its own, preventing any kind of paradox.
This makes sense also with Vera's situation because you can do something to help something in the past, but you cannot expect it to fix the thing that is happening in the present.
A little pick at the latter point. While I do definitely like that that the main take away from Raiden's first quest was how stopping the progression of change is futile, I'm still not a fan of the execution tbh. I wish there was more of an interaction between veterans and/or displaced peoples. That way, when the realities of the war finally hit Ei, she'd realize that in her pursuit of a static eternity, she inadvertently caused her country to not only suffer but to desire change. And by the end of the quest, she'd take these thoughts into consideration moving forward and que the second quest.
Having played the quests back to back, I can say that Ei's first quest reads as good character building for the second quest and her decision to drop the sakoku decree. It's about Ei's characterization, and her character growth which we then see realized in her second quest.
@@guccerice1162 While there are more things that could be observed from exploring present Inazuma beyond the funny light novels, I don't agree with that particular execution as you put it. As a warrior and also being shown the Spirit of the people of Inazuma both past and present, I don't think what you expect to happen would actually mean much
From my understanding the thing about 500 years passing in the domain while only a bit of time did in the present is not because of Ei from what Yae says. The reason is the forced entry of the traveler who essentially linked the present with the moment he desired to reach, the moment of Ei winning. The domain exists in another point of space and by breaking that barrier around it the traveler fast forwarded the domain to the desired point and linked the present with the domain 500 years in the future. Had the traveler not forcibly entered the domain, Ei would come back victorious in the real world after 500 years.
Ah that's a good explanation of it. That just makes time get more mucky too because then you're basically taking two disparate points and pulling them closer together. D:
@@Ashikai well some time powers for traveller are hinted even in travail .....
or are places like euthymia makotos realm .. basically frozen in time outside of timeline
that would explain
why they are made only by god of eternity = Ei was shocked traveller managed to get inside - so its likely unique power she have
- we know her sister didnt have such power (otherwise she would move conscience into such realm and save self ( Ei clearly dumped physical body .. so damage wouldnt matter)
- we also know yae miko cannot enter euthymia alone .. .. and it was her who teached Ei how move conscience from body and put elsewhere
...but she helped us enter makotos realm ....so she clearly know theory how "pull us inside things ... or realms" .. but have no control over time to enter Ei realms
it would also explain why corrosion cannot affect Ei inside Euthymia = her conscience wouldnt age at all if time doesnt flow there
Maybe I miss something here, if makoto's planes of memory is outside of the normal time line, 500 years have pass to the point where traveler meet ei and shogun final battle b4 claiming victory. Does the 500 years means in teyvat or in the domain? If it is the domain, 500 years later in domain doesn't equal to 500 years have passed in teyvat right? Aren't the domain flow in different time then teyvat?
Just replying my own comment, after reading about Greek Kronos & Kairos, I think I have a glimpse of what it was meant in the game now? In teyvat, everything happen in Kornos time which is linear where time move in a determine pass and determined future? While the space where ei and shogun fight is in Kairos time where it can't be control, moving in circular, back and forth, here and there, without a beginning or ending. However I still don't understand why ei know 500 years have past in the space they are in if time is moving back and forth? How can she quantify how long has she fight to that point?
A note of mine, since your comment at 20:43 sounded very similar to an actual line a character says... Albedo, in fact. Albedo's monologue in his character trailer sounds a bit like mumbo-jumbo, until he says "Earth, the accumulative memory of time and being". This implies that, yes, time and being come together to form the Earth, which could mean leylines, at least in part. What's EXTRA interesting is that when he's saying "time and being", we get a shot of a clock... and a Cecilia flower! Another connection between Cecilias and time! Thanks, Albedo, very cool.
the description of the mondstadt statues of the seven is very interesting:
"Seeds brought by the wind will grow over time." The statue silently anticipates the arrival of a noble soul to arrive, while thousand winds of time will soon unfold a new story...
its a bit weirdly worded though, i guess from translation?
could also explain the line "We have always had enough time"...and probably why no one we asked about our siblings haven't seen or heard of them other than Dain....even though they went through the world Teyvat before us and no one recognizing the fact that we look a like.
I'm still of the opinion that this story quest worked so well because we had the first quest as well. It would've been fine lore wise but I would not have bought for a second Ei opening up about all this stuff without the bridge of quest 1.
I understand the concept, but that a Dango milk and novels have changed the way she sees the world and not the pain of her people that she caused because of her mistakes, is horrible. At least in the first act she promises to apologise. But ultimately, the first act is fatal with Dango's milk.
@@clover.8147 Agree. It issues Ei's internal problem but didn't give closure to the war victims.
@@TiliaceusMemo Kokomi's story quest managed to give closure to those in the army and the resistance unable to quite adjust yet, unable to let go of their "warrior's will". meanwhile, if we go around and explore in Inazuma (from talking to npcs, reading bulletin boards...) it tells us how the people are faring, what their struggles are during and after the two decrees, and how restoring hard-earned peace doesn't automatically mean the people of Inazuma are mentally and emotionally healed
@@clover.8147 this is my main issue with the first story quest as well. i refuse to believe that the writers simply couldn't think of a better way to show Inazuma's progress in a positive light without using dango milk and light novels. the intention for character development was there, but the means just doesn't quite justify the effect.
Hey Ashikai. Remember the Sakura Cleansing quest and how Kazari said that if the Traveler had been there 500 years ago they could have saved everyone? The Traveler is the only one with the power to purify the corruption after all. What if the power to reweave fate that Dainsleif talked about is the power of time travel and the "her" that Dain refers to in the Travail Trailer is the God of Time?
does that mean when we cured dvalin what we have been doing is rewinding to a time before it was corrupted and prevented that from happening. it would go well with the only future can save the past bit
@@bluefenneris9009 I don't think we are rewinding time. Yakshas absorb the corruption through battle but they do not and cannot get rid of it. The Traveler on the other hand can. We are basically a permanent solution to Teyvat's corruption problem. We basically could have saved Chiyo and Kazari from the corruption and they wouldn't have had to die. The Yakshas wouldn't have died from karmic debt and things would be a lot different.
@@bluefenneris9009 But basically what I'm saying is that what if instead of a seed, Istaroth drops the Traveler in instead. We can do more than what the Sacred Sakura Tree can.
@@Zarozian I dont think the traveler can handle the amount of corrupting energy or w/e it was that enveloped Inazuma during the cataclysm. Remember just the energy being released by the tartagami(sp) was enough to cause the traveler to collapse in front of Scaramouche. If anything, the Sacred Sakura could be an attempt to give the traveler enough time to get strong enough to do so. Maybe what will end up happening is once our journey through Teyvat is finished, we do get sent back to the start of the Cataclysm to try and stop what was happening there?
@@emperormaxwell432 The incident with the Archon residue and Scaramouche is different because that energy feeds on negative emotions, it's not necessarily corrupting but rather a malicious power from a more divine origin, had the Traveler not been upset and angry it would have had no effect on him.
As for the corruption that took place 500 years ago, it originated from the byproduct of Gold's experiments in Khaenri'ah which caused the Cataclysm 500 years ago. It's the reason why the 5 Yakshas assembled to absorb but not erase the corruption.
The Traveler was holding on to Dvalin's corrupted tears like nothing and he unknowingly purified it while carrying it around. The corrupted tear, however, caused pain and damage to both Lisa and Venti just from the slightest physical contact while the Traveler remains completely unaffected during the Sakura Cleansing finale.
I haven't done the story quest yet, but once I finish it I will come running here
While I agree that from a lore perspective, skipping the first quest would've been preferable, from a story telling perspective it would deprive her of the introduction and build up of her, Ei, as a character, and we'd skip directly to the climax.
So I have to say her first story was absolutely necessary and the correct choice in the long term because we did not know Ei through the Archon mission, we saw her motivations, and the first story gave us the proper build up, even if many people called it a "dAtE".
true
It really was a trust the process thing
my only problem with the first quest is how we tried to show her Inazuma's progress in a positive light through mundane, small things like dango milk and light novels. I just think that given the scope of Ei's ideals and the determination she had with preserving eternity... like... dango milk and light novels... seriously?
@@notmaylea It was explained to me by a friend from China that the concept of "touching the ground" is an important character growth for the rich and powerful, it translates to "being in touch with the people". I think this might be a cultural aspect that is lost where Ei is being shown the most pedestrian and popular commonalities that people enjoy to help her learn how people live and bring her down from her pedestal so far from the people?
@@VaioletteWestover oh since it's a cultural aspect, i guess i can't exactly judge it so harshly. but i still think that the writing team could have crafted a narrative that revolves around showing how the people are faring and focus more on the emotional welfare and feelings of the people rather than material things like dango milk and light novels.
For example, Ei walking around the market in Ritou (although this is Sakoku Decree is yet to be abolished), chatting with the fishermen who were one of the most affected in the lockdown, or even spectating a festival. In the end, there could be a cutscene also showing the Vision holders back with their visions, such as Yoimiya and Itto playing with the children, Thoma tasting freedom once again, the Vision-bearers in the Shogunate regaining their ambitions back, and so on.
The possibility that "surface" Teyvat has its own time system is so fun!
The traveler has a voice line about time passing differently in Teyvat compared to other worlds they've been to (they say both the days and nights move faster). It's probably a joke about game mechanics bc it's unlockable early on, but maybe it's a hint? 🤔 who knows ehe
The memories part might tie well into the last Dragonspine event with Albedo and Joel's dad. If Joserf was dead before the event and had been absorbed by the nearby ley lines, it would make sense that Albedo may be able to extract the memories. He and the rifthounds share Gold as their creator, so he might possess their ability to "[erode] the boundaries of the world", and he could have made a vessel to store those memories from the old body or Joserf's memories.
Maybe in the future we'll learn some ley line lore about the Frostbearing tree or the large tree in Windrise that Venti likes. Also.. the Skyfrost Nail was full of the blue crystal gunk that looks like the blue crystal veins of ley line trees. The Skyfrost Nail might have been a giant memory stick!?
A theory for the function of the Gnosis
For a while I’ve been wondering what the point of the Gnosis are.
What if Gnosis allow you to perceive the changes in the world’s memory?
Think about it.
If archons are essentially beings that perceive the memories of the world in its original and correct order, then how is that possible? The gods of Teyvat were no different from the archons, yet somehow the archons can perceive time differently.
And then there’s the sacred sakura.
Ei said that the tree wasn’t there before, but people had said it’s been there forever. This happened after the Cataclysm where Makoto died, which would be when Ei would gain the Gnosis, which would allow Ei to know that the sacred sakura wasn’t there before.
I wonder if the god of time had anything to do with the creation of such an object. After all, it would make sense that the one that rules over the domain of time would be the only one capable of assisting in the creation of such an object.
Random thing I wanna add:
There’s a chance, since Venti is in a way related to Istaroth the god of time, that he doesn’t need a gnosis for perceiving time in the way an archon does.
There’s no way to confirm though, unless Venti states that he can perceive time even without gnosis.
i like your magic words, funny man. This does make a lot of sense!
One thing that caught my attention when talking to Tsuyuko before starting the Three Realms event
When Tsuyuko says "Enkanomiya is exceedingly dangerous right now. Only pre-eminent warriors like (Traveler) and Paimon should venture there."
Paimon responds with "Yep, absolutely, a hundred percent. This is a job only we can handle"
We as the Traveler have the dialogue option saying "...Tsuyuko, you really get Paimon"
To which Tsuyuko responds with
"Hehe. We've worked together plenty of times in the past, after all."
This could be in reference to the first Watasumi quest we do "The Moon - Bathed Deep" that gives us the "Heart of Watasumi" that allows us to open up Enkanomiya. To my recollection that's essentially the only time we do a quest with Tsuyuko...
So why say "plenty of times in the past" unless there's a possible link to Paimon and the older era of Watasumi / Enkanomiya ahhhhhhh
Tsuyuko only references towards Paimon after what the Traveler said and not "We've all worked together plenty of time in the past"
It's possible I'm reading too much into this... BUT Arggggg MHY (now HoYoVerse) have a thing for dropping stuff in like sly little foxes. I remember wayyyy back in the early days during a dialogue scene the name Istaroth was placed above the name "the God of time" in small writing just like in the 2.5 archon quest. Most people probably forgot about it (providing I'm remembering it correctly too)
Yea that's my crazy contribution
I have this way out there theory that looks more and more promising with every update.
Everything that's been going on with Teyvat and Celestia's actions is for them to buy some time.
It's known that Genshin is another leaf in the imaginary tree. Meaning, it's another universe that's part of the imaginary tree (miHoyo's multiverse).
So I think that what Celesia's doing is buying time for them, to figure out what to do when the Will of the Imaginary Tree (aka the Will of the Honkai) eventually comes. And that their wiping of civilization is a preventive measure. As the will of the honkai is attracted to human progress. They know that the more a civilization progresses. The more attractive they look to the will of the honkai.
So the thing about project ark being a thing is somewhat plausible in a way now. But it's not siblings at all. It's Celestia. Celestia is project ark/the ark's crew or some if it's survivors. They know what happened to their civilization and will stop at nothing for it to never happen in this world. No matter the cost of how cruel and inhumane their actions are.
To me, Phanes sounds like a way more likely candidate to be the Project ARK. The ark was searching for a suitable planet for humans and it found Teyvat. But it had the dragons on it, so they had to be wiped out first. Phanes was born from an "egg", but the "egg" could have been a spaceship from which Phanes arrived at Teyvat. When then the dragons were finally defeated, it started the genome library and started "printing out" humans onto the world. But then Celestia came and defeated Phanes, leading to the Flamechasers not getting any answers from project ARK back on Earth.
Also, we may finally get confirmation that Honkai and Genshin are truly related very soon. Honkai will soon be revealing the remaining flamechasers and one of them is particularly interesting: The painter. A painter would be very suitable for someone named after a god of creation (Phanes). Also, there is a line where the traveler calls Venti's eyes color resembling the sky in their world, and the painter's room sky color is same. This could maybe mean that the traveler and the sibling are the shades perhaps, but who knows.
Atm Celestia isn't really explained though. They don't really look like sky people either.
@@LeaksHater
Oh my god that's another way of look at it.
Ps:
You mean K.K.?! The one who wrote about the info about the travelers?!
I heard about K.K. being revealed as one of the remaining 3 Flame chasers. Pardofelis and Vill.V are anouced.
Feels like the game is all morally grey.
There's no definite good or bad.
Everybody did something for a solid reason,no matter how cruel it's being done.
I can't wait for us to meet anyone from Celestia,I need to hear things from their side.
@@knightofwisdom8851 do you think that Celestia will be some godly versions of Valkyries we know? Because I want that so bad
@@nggames9201 The sustainer is already Kiana
I feel like the quality of these videos is going up with every new installment. Very good, thank you for making this!
One other recently relevant thing Teyvat's mechanics bring to my mind is Stigma Spaces in Honkai. So far, we've visited two of them - first Sakura Samsara, and now the one in Chapter 28. In both cases, memories seem to form the building blocks of perceivable reality. When we first arrive in Sakura Samsara, it's stuck repeating the tragic events of the past as it happened, but by interacting with the "ghosts", or "memories", within it, we're able to break the loop and give it a happy (um... okay, bittersweet, it's Honkai after all) ending.
In Chp.28, we learn that the whole Stigma Space environment and everyone within it are constructs of conscious observers' memories. And there is some sort of erosion-reminiscent mechanic (that white fog thing) which causes observers within the space to lose their memories, and with it, "wear out" their consciousness-avatars.
I don't think Teyvat is one big Stigma Space (it would be a disappointingly simple explanation if true) but it does feel like whatever the First Throne's did to "terraform" the planet for human habitation might be based on similar technology as was used to carve out those stable artificial Stigma Spaces in the midst of the chaotically abstract Imaginary Space.
The fact that some kind of terraforming occurred is also very interesting. Perhaps the universe in which this planet exists is governed by rules of physics so alien to humans that they wouldn't be able to survive here had the "original god" not created the Human Realm, which somehow provides a framework within which things other than vishaps can function?
I was crying to hard during the final cutscene to remember all that was said so I appreciate these look backs and theories. Having lost a sister, I've always felt a weird tie to Ei, so I was thankful they continued her quest line so soon.
I mean cecilias have always been sus to me considering there's an actual character in Honkai, an important one at that, named Cecilia. There are no coincidences in these games.
And if you needed one other confirmation that Khaenri'ha is outside the Teyvat realm of time, in the Teyvat story trailer Khaenri'ha act is placed last but the act number is distorted, meaning it does not follow the acts timeline because they happen in Teyvat... It's a stupid clue but hey I feel like I helped xD
I thought the same as you! It didn’t have a number bc it was always there it’s just not connected to the teyvat time which makes sense how kaeya is not 500 years old
I thought it meant that the chapter itself travelled with you, so it couldn't have a number to begin with.
Every time Dainsleif appears, is continuing it further.
It will never have a place in that order, regardless of how Time works (or doesn't work) in Khaenri'ah.
Due to the nature of Khaenri'ah existing outside of time that you've mentioned, it could mean that Khaenri'ah will be an event instanced location like the current Three Realms Gateway Offering version of Enkanomiya. Meaning it might be a reoccurring event type of thing which sounds kinda call in theory. I really wanna know how Hoyoverse will do Khaenri'ah if your theory becomes true and it does exist outside of time.
some events are one timers
Hmmm... I don't remember who make a video or post about...Khaenriah isn't fully destroy... Something like that.
@@alanea5860 And that hurts cause I have Albedo’s cursed sword that isn’t fully refined yet lmao.
@@Shidah2Izumi In the abyss, time moves 3 times faster so they could have rebuilt by now if they exist outside of time.
@@Zarozian faster or slower. We don't have solid proof here.
Are constellations the powers given to a character from a second run through of their own lives? If the constellation is a seed passed through time, it could make sense.
So by using the logic of "Future can change the past, not the other way around" , doesn't that mean Khaenri'ah got destroyed because of the current story timeline?
Or maybe that's what the Abyss sibling is trying to prevent. Maybe they haven't succeeded in preventing the disaster yet but are working towards that?
Time gets so messy
@@fardareismai4495 the abyss twin is currently looking for ways to purify the curse. if the abyss twin just looked for ways to jump back into the timeline and prevent the cataclysm, they wouldn't need to go around trying to purify the curse anymore, don't you think? although "reviving the homeland" seems most possible through time manipulation. i wonder if the abyss twin is actually conducting an operation to find istaroth or gain the power to tap into the ley lines and alter the timeline, but there's no sign of that in game yet so i'd scrap it for now
If the seed was made to buy Ei some time and all the archons have consciousness could that mean that whatever the archons do in their consciousness can affect the flow of time?
This is probably my own interpretation and headcanon. But, I believed that while Ei fought with the puppet time has passed 500 years, however, the time in the plain of conciousness was moving backwards to the past and reached the point where Ei of the past saved Makoto's conciousness. Hence why the Sacred Sakura appeared out of the blue exactly 500 years right after Makoto's death. If you looked at the traveller's dialogue stated about the time inside the plain of conciousness was moving both forwards and backwards at the same time, this would confirm the theory perfectly.
When I was playing 2.5 update and learned about the time-traveling tree, my reaction was "Why didn't I see this coming? If Genshin is just an alternate world in Hoyoverse to Honkai's world, then time travel seems the most plausible in Inazuma, considering that we meet Yae Sakura in a different time a memory of a time long past". Yep, so then timetravel seemed like "Yep, that should be obvious, why I didn't see it coming?" Especially considering that one of the NPC's in the Temple of Sacret Sakura - Maki, was foreshadowing the whole quest all this fucking time.
I really cannot see the first quest as a date, it's just you showing Raiden Ei how Inazuma has changed in all these years, the people, the food, the technology (Kamera cough cough), it's all in a pretty intuitive way for someone who stayed locked away for so many years, letting her experience these changes is the best way to drive the point across, but since reddit and twitter had some weird hatred for her (which wouldn't exist were she another pretty guy, mind you) it is what it is.
The second quest is a perfect wrap-up for Inazuma, by helping their archon understand her sister's ideals, she can now move on and grant her people the Eternity they so wanted - an eternity in transience, not in stasis.
yes thank you
I don't why people didn't like the first act of Ei, it's like when you meet an old friend that went away and by a miracle you reconnect it with him years later, you may remember him but the friend could've change in it's personality or how he views the world.
I agree, the 1st quest was also a great build up for the second one so we didn't get immediately lore dumped
Agree to disagree. If I wanted to show Ei how Inazuma changed, why did we only walk down the stairs of the main city? Why didn't we go to Tatarasuna? Yashiori? We bought dango, read books, and had an existential crisis over a photograph which, in light of the second quest, feels even weirder.
But this is a **matter of opinion** and not a **matter of fact.**
@@Ashikai you don't throw a kid into a deep pool and then telling him to learn to swim and you don't push a recently recovered neet by just going to a far away place from her comfort zone. Besides, the traveler message was by to a very close place we're Ei lived she could see how muchchange can happen in 500 years without her even noticing it.
I feel like the fact that Makoto went into khaenri'ah despite not being the soldier might give more evidence to a theory that I've seen floating around that the gnoses allow celestia to control the archons (because the gnoses are shaped like chess pieces), meaning that Makoto could have gone against her will (which may also be why the Tsaritsa is going after the gnoses)
bruh that "UUUGUUGHHAAAA" from Venti jumpscared me.
also i am happy Yanfei is ok.
I like the theory Leylines are a moment trapped in time. Much like the ghosts we saw in this quest, the domains, leylines, and trounce domains are all trapped in time and never very. We always fight the same battles every time.
Now for my real comment. The reason why you feel Ei's seed plant feels wrong compared to Otto's new branch is because of the Heavenly Principles. Ei and Makoto broke them because they bought time...NOT FROM TIME BUT FROM MEMORY. Basically cheating the principle of energy (data) cannot be created or destroyed but only change in form. What Makoto's seed was is a Madela Effect and not a timeline hack.
Thanks for giving us content in this though times it makes my day much better :)
Basically the archons are moderators with a backup of the timeline while everyone else is stuck on whatever changes the admins (Celestia) want.
And in the same way the Sacred Sakura got inserted into the timeline, do you think Istaroth and Khaenri’ah also got deleted from the public sphere of consciousness? Like how in Mondstadt everyone casually forgot about the God of Time and despite Khaenri’ah and the Cataclysm kinda being a huge thing, no one really mentions it now?
mmm maybe Khaenri'ah isn't deleted yet, but will be? the curse means they can't go back to the ley lines, so it will be like Khaenri'ah never existed at all. but i might be wrong
Loved the vid! Btw I noticed that Yae's dialogue mentions "wishes" a lot both in her and Ei's quests; wishes that help you cross dimentional barriers or the ability to let a spirit stuck in the Leylines possess you. Maybe there's a relation between these wishes she mentions and the "wishes" (pulls) we use up to summon characters and weapons?
Or you know... I'm overanalyzing things
Ahh, so Venti isn't just a Wind Spirit. He's also a Heroic Spirit.
the thing makoto gives Ei looks like the things Venti had us purify in the beginning.
You're videos are so enjoyable, thank you very much for your hard work.
Your Videos are always so amazing to watch , the made me fall in love with the genshin lore , i never thought the lore would be so deep when i first started the game.
Also ,Maybe when the abyss simbling told us to go and complete our journey and see the world for what it truly is they are talking about the world before the memory reset or the things celestial has covered up with te memory reset , anyway what seemed like a dialouge of "things we dont know yet" , starts to make some sense now , maybe the abyss simbling doesnt have their memories reset because they lived in khanreah
"as well as a secret island to the *eats* of Starsnatch Cliff..."
Indeed, you must cross the drink to get to it.
This quest was amazing through and through! And I love the theories presented!!!
Also, I might be in the minority for this but despite the act 1 of her quest falling flat in a few areas, I do believe it is important since it showed the Archon stepping out of her shell for the first time in a while to see the changes Inazuma went through over the past 500 years, regardless of her plans to keep it in stasis. Having that realization in Act 1 made the transition in Act 2 well-paced and established imo. I
Otherwise it would’ve been weird and rushed for her to just give her backstory and fighting rifthounds right off the bat.
Now that does not excuse the flaws in Act 1. But I do believe it had a good purpose for existing in that aspect. Regardless, great video as always! As for the leylines, it’s interesting that some ecological disasters are the result of some Leyline disorder (Tsurumi Island, Dragonspine, etc), and in those cases it’s a result of Celestia dropping objects…
Let’s hope Chasm in 2.6 will expand upon more ancient lore (given its similarities in ecological disaster to Dragonspine and Tsurumi Island).
When I noticed Isaroth's name in Ei's dialogue my mind exploded
My mind literally blue-screened
You literally said big brain time.
I enjoy watching your theories, because all of your videos make sense. It’s mind blowing!
Looking forward for more great videos! ❤️❤️❤️
I love it how it's still relevant after a year.
Mines keaya point everything makes sense and still relevant .
Your predictions are amazing and you did a great job.
Thank you for all of your content and the work that you put in to them .❤
Right now, the way I see everything structured is:
The Imaginary Tree created this ?Universe? where Teyvat is located, and when doing so, it created parallel mechanics like the "Abstract Space" as Miko calls it, which is similar to the Imaginary Space in Honkai, time is also meaningless in the IMG Space and people can easily get lost in it, as shown in the very conveniently released chapter 28 in Honkai.
The world tree of Teyvat is the parallel of the Imaginary Tree.
What caught me off guard was Miko just... being able to easily access the Abstract Space and throw us in there.
And yeah, when Ei planted that tree in the past it kinda overwrote what possibly really happened had it not been planted, which still aligns with Imaginary Tree mechanics. Makes me wonder what happened in the "timeline/branch" that got overwritten, did Makoto know?
And yeah, in this case the god of time played a huge part in this, in Honkai, Otto had to spend his whole life to nearly become a God himself to do this, and for that, become a pawn of the IMG Tree and betray everyone he loved, becoming the villain.
I don't think we'll see direct time travel in Genshin, as based on the Imaginary Tree, there can not be 2 of the same person in a timeline. As shown by Otto disintegrating when he entered the past at the end of Ch28. (Edit yes, Shamash played a part in him dying, because he unleashed its full power)
Ok I was also kinda thinking out loud typing this, came out longer than intended lol.
I can't wait for what's next.
TLDR; World mechanics in Genshin are not the same as Honkai, they are just a parallel. However, still possibly connected, but likely irrelevant for Genshin's story, at least for now.
Lol everyday I'm reminded that I might be the only one who actually genuinely enjoyed and liked the Raiden Shogun story quest 1. I say this because I don't think I've ever interacted with another person like me who shares the same opinion.
I really liked it too as it established that no matter how much she was pursuing eternity change is inevitable and she also had a change of heart by the end of the story quest .
hah yeah i disliked, felt it was more casual like a hangout. but i enjoyed it a lot more watching it and doing then act 2 *immediately* after. it gelled a lot better that way ti me
Hello, I liked the Raiden Shogun character quest 1. I think a lot of ppl got too annoyed or distracted by the "date quest" part, and sped through the later half, resulting in not many ppl dissecting her comments then, lol.
Tho tbf, I tend to like a lot of things, then get surprised when others don't, leading my to heavily scrutinize the thing I liked to find out why.
I enjoyed it too and it was clear it wasn’t a date (fandom thinks treat walking around with a female character=date, but whatever), and a proper set up for something more to come. Like, it was blatantly clear.
@@principessachia I agree with this
Just found your channel.
Damn! It's the best I've found so far for Genshin Lore
I was thinking the next video wouldn't be out for a bit but then this popped up. Thnx Ashikai
Paimon: "Wheres your favourite place Dain"
Dainsleif: "I cant remember"
translation: "It never existed and I've never visted it before"
Interesting that the "Three Realms Gateway Offering" event took place separately from Enkanomiya in menu.
This would confirm the space-time disorderliness.
Could be, but also I think gameplay-wise it's just a way to have Enkanomiya stuff available, especially since there were Whitenight-Evernight puzzles, separate chests and enemies, quests that make no sense in the new event, and the twin vishaps needed to level up 2 characters in the game. I think it's cause a lot of these things overlap and a player might need access to the original Enkanomiya stuff, and the event lasts 40 days, so they had to make a separate map for that, but then Genshin does blur the line between gameplay mechanics and lore, so it's not entirely impossible.
i'm completely obsessed with your analysis of imperatrix umbrosa and ii and teyvat as a whole! I'm relatively new to the lore of genshin (i enjoy it greatly but find myself skipping through a lot of the in-game dialogue 😭) so your videos help it and a lot of the little details make more sense to me. tysm for sharing!
This has to be my favourite theory from you. I enjoyed watching this video so much!
Another great Ashikai Vid! I especially liked the way this one was done
My brain is completely blown, but I can't stop watching theory video since it's like rollercoaster and although confusing and messes up with your brain it's also fun. Thank you so much for making these video! Love it all so much ^^
I love your videos, they give me so mich stuff to think about!
It was kinda confusing, but it was definitely an amazing quest, in my opinion.
I wonder if the travelers will recover any memories that Dainsleif may have forgotten or 'lost' like they are doing to the ley lines?
Excited already!! Got my Saturday morning breakfast content planned
Sooosoosooooo beautifullly and interestingly explained 😆😆😆😆I enjoyed my entire 1 hr ride to home with this on 🥺🥺🥺thanks !!!!
I hope you are right cause it makes sense. I love your theory on the seed from her sister and memories and the time line. Very interesting
dude a lot of things start to make sense rn, i cant actually place anything anywhere, i was just going with the flow and had some realizations during the video but i forgot them all. I love your videos even tho I don't understand some of them, they're always so fun to watch
Oh boyyy there's way more in this quest than I thought! These theories are so interesting :D
I saw that Hoyo issued a correction for many languages including EN specifically changing the line
"maybe she got a higher power (istaroth) involved"
to "perhaps a higher power was involved"
i wonder if its really that important for
them to make that distinction
The highlight of my week, literally ♥️
I couldn’t wait to see your takes on this. Happy you got the video out so fast.:)
I think it’s best to consider that realm just outside of the timeline so you enter and exit at any point you want to.
I think an important point was that it was stated that Ei disappeared during the Kanriah conflict. We don’t know where she was but it feels like it was implied she was in this realm during this event which is possible since it exists outside the timeline.
Another point I thought was interesting was that during Miko’s seance they dropped the passing comment that the traveler is a reincarnated version of them-self in this world. It could explain a lot which you touch on with Ventis implying they’ve met - Zhongli also implies he knows the traveler and won’t answer questions about the sibling bc he has his own reasons.
Oh and these exchanges between between Paimon and traveler are really building the groundwork/foreshadowing laid out in the Sango pet case where it seems very likely Paimon feels betrayed by the traveler for some reason and they breakup. It could explain how she becomes the Unknown God in the future. Now with the potential of the twins being reincarnations and dynamic timelines a lot of this is way more plausible. It also makes it more plausible if the twins are the god of time - which I mentioned to you in a comment months ago (incase you don’t remember).
God everytime i watch one of your theory videos I'm shookith... it's so entertaining
Ashikai uploaded! its going to be a lovely day today!
Been waiting for this one!
So, we've learned what happens with the memory update stuff. You were correct-- partially. I'm excited to see what you have to say about patch 3.2!
Sometimes I just have to pause your videos to breathe and collect my thoughts for a solid 10 minutes before I continue. Thank you for this ^^
I disagree with the idea that Ei doesn’t have a realm of consciousness, it seems pretty clear that euthymia is her realm. My interpretation was that Ei’s memory didn’t change because she was the one who planted the seed. Alternatively, maybe all “gods” have that power, such as havria and guoba (pre-shrinking). Presumably Ei only asked humans and yokai about the tree, since inazuma isn’t known to have other gods besides Orobashi and maybe the thunder birb. The Kaenriah is outside time thing is still possible, but I don’t think the tree memory in particular supports it.
I had to rewind and listen quite a few times, but this video was really interesting and helped make sense of some things. You do explain things really well
Now I just need you to explain everything in Honkai for me because I started a month ago, and just got done with the recent story and I still understand barely anything 😂
Thank you for doing your mind bending and trying to figure out all this information! When you referenced the 3 different Raidens as triplets, I had a random thought about the 3 moon sisters and now wondering if they are the same and that when one didn't do the thing whatever it is, there was disaster.
I personally think Ei did become an Archon after Makoto's death. I'm not 100% but 70-80% sure it was said that she inherited the gnosis after Makoto died. I don't think a gnosis can be inherited like a trinket or something as it stays within the Archon's chest. So I for one believe she became an Archon after she inherited the gnosis. The gnosis which helps the Archons resonate with Celestia. Which brings me to a long term theory. Maybe the connection to Celestia is what lets the Archons have the realm of consciousness. I know that doesn't properly explain how Makoto's realm is still present. But that might be because instead of creating her own realm of consciousness with her newfound connection to Celestia, Ei decided to instead preserve her sisters. Which also explains why the plane of euthymia works differently. Its something she created herself.
Also, this connection to Celestia might be the reason the Archon's seem to remember all the memories, both the unchanged and changed pasts. And maybe the Tsaritsa is severing this connection by stealing all the gnosis because she yearns to do something to the timeline as well. But she is afraid the other Archons may try to stop her if they realize that time is being played with. Bold prediction, she changes something. The only person left with the memories of the unchanged past is the traveler. Then we have to employ the help of the Archons of the changed future to defeat the Tsaritsa and change things back.
child tried to extract the gnosis from zhon li exuvia so.... not sure about that
I can't everything...., Ashi's eternal suffering and joy. Also the sea of quanta...>.>
I just completed this quest and found this vid and now I feel like my whole understanding of the game's lore just got twisted. Seriously how can u just come up with something like this 😮. Just found ur channel a few days ago and I have to say I'm not stopping until I see all the lore vids.
There's many implementations of time travel and time manipulation in lots of science fiction; it can be quantified in many different ways
Genshin's version seems to be the self fulfilling prophetic type of time travel (events of the past are only possible with input from the future) while Honkai's version deals with split timelines (whether or not the two timelines can coexist or one gets deleted while the other stays varies on the story).
It's cool how hoyoverse has dabbled with time travel in different ways; as a time travel geek, I love it
Edit: the back to the future trilogy deals with different kinds of time travel and the effects it has on different timelines
another amazing video. it was really interesting. when you started to talk about Venti, and that he met us before, i remembered something... in the manga, after Venesa turned into a bird, venti passed by us (traveler). the manga story suppose to be before the game time, so... he met us in the past, or... we will go to the past in future game
domains are just time bubbles that has a reset button on the tree
16:00 The way you said that really sounded like Albedo's quote on his trailer
"Earth, the accumulative memory of time and being"
Oh god, albedo finding out the "truth of this world" is just him understanding the true meaning of those phrases, right? Which makes me think about mona's reaction to the sky being a lie. Both rhinedottir and mona's master looking real suspicious right now
Something that I wanted to mention was that in Yae Miko's Story quest The spirits/youkai cover the moon causing a moonless night, I can't help but feel that it's odd that the spirits from the leylines as mentioned in the quest are covering the "Moon" and the ritual is performed, and within the lines of the ritual is something along "In reverence I perform this rite, to be a guiding light" which is also kinds descriptive of the seelies and their duty. Doesn't have much relevance to the video itself but I just wanted to point this out cause it stood out to me in conjunction with the theory that the moon sisters are the 3 Shades and are also thought of in conjunction with time and that they uphold the laws of the heavenly principles and punish those who go against it. i.e Sustainer of heavenly principles. Just Food for thought and doesn't hold much value but I'm just putting this out there for someone smarter than me to make sense of this. :P
What if the genesis pear is a seed that we have to get in the future, to plant the world tree in the past.
Edit: woah what if we have to save kanreah in the future.