[2.4] Enkanomiya Recap Part Two: Teyvat's Pre-history - A Genshin Impact Theory
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- In this video we have a quick recap of the prehistoric events of the book, Before Sun and Moon, followed by some speculation, exploration of real world inspirations, and a pretty out-there theory about the Four Shades of the Primordial One.
Surprisingly, I have even more to say than I could fit into this video, so there will be another theory based on Teyvat's Pre-history to follow.
*Timestamps*
0:00 Intro
1:20 Disclaimer
2:00 Before Sun and Moon (recap)
10:50 TL;DR Summary
12:15 The Primordial One and Phanes (mythology & analysis)
25:15 The Shades, Tarot, and Artifacts
35:45 Translation Footnote
39:00 Video Recap & Summary
40:05 Outro
*Referenced Videos (by me)*
Enkanomiya Recap + Analysis
• [2.4] Enkanomiya Recap...
Enkanomiya + Corrected Timeline
• [2.4] Enkanomiya Timel...
Rhinestone Alchemist
• [v2.3] The Rhinestone ...
The World Structure of Teyvat
• [v2.2] The World Struc...
What's in the Box?
• [v2.4] What's in the U...
*Further Reading and Source Material*
PASH Interview with Genshin developers (translated)
/ qa_with_the_genshin_de...
*Genshin Impact Wiki
Before Sun and Moon
genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies
genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Three Moon Sisters
genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Enkanomiya Summary
genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
Artifacts
genshin-impact.fandom.com/wik...
*Mythological Sources
Horae
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horae
Dionysus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus
Shade (Greek mythology)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shade_(...)
Hesiod (for his Theogony)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesiod
Chaos
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_(...)
Orphism
www.timelessmyths.com/classic...
www.theoi.com/Text/OrphicHymn...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphism...)
Primordial Gods
www.theoi.com/greek-mythology...
Phanes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phanes
www.theoi.com/Protogenos/Phan...
www.spartacusbrasil.com/l/pha...
Zagreus
www.theoi.com/Georgikos/Zagre...
Doves
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doves_a...
Noah's Ark
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doves_a...
Tarot
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_A...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot
labyrinthos.co/blogs/tarot-ca...
*Misc Sources
History of Submarines
www.history.com/news/9-ground... - Ігри
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**VIDEO NOTES AND CORRECTIONS**
- Ok, apparently "logos" does mean "reason/logic" in Greek which is news to me. I'm only familiar with "logos" as "divine logic." So that's a thing. :P
- Naokarma has pointed out that "Ethos, Pathos, Logos, and Kairos" make up something called the "Rhetorical Appeals." I had never heard of this up until now so I can't add much insight beyond, "this is worth looking into more."
- The Major Arcana is NOT a suit. The Major Arcana plays a very different role in the tarot than the suits of the minor arcana. Originally there WAS NO Major Arcana, and that's why you can do proper Tarot readings using a normal deck of playing cards. They share the same roots. (Hearts for cups, spades for swords, diamonds for pentacles, and clubs for wands). In addition, the Major Arcana tells the story of the Fool's Journey. Every card in the Majors represents either a person, obstacle or event he encounters throughout his life, eventually coming to rest at the final card, the World, as he reaches enlightenment. As such, the Majors in a tarot reading only really talk about spiritual growth or big shifts in ones life. This is why I don't consider them to represent the Primordial One. If anything, they fit the Traveler more.
I was curious about the idea of the stories told by the artifacts being connected to the type of the tarot suit it represents and so far from studying a few of the artifacts sets in my opinion the goblet and the sands are actually reversed as goblets make references to mora, treasure while sands make more often reference to a feeling or a virtue. So the suit of pentacles and cups would swap which artifact would refer to. At least in my opinion. But I will look to more sets and will see how this idea holds up. Awesome video by the way! I always love your content!❤
If I’m not mistaken, Logos can also refer to “The Son” in Christianity, or Jesus Christ
Ethos, Pathos, Logos, and Kairos are the main means of persuasion. Kinda surprised you hadn't had this stuff drilled into your head in highschool, tbh. Mine spent like at least a weak on it in every English class I had. Then again, my school was a little odd, so I shouldn't compare it to what's normal/standard.
Either way, I felt it was worth pointing out given the use of the word/name Kairos, at least. It's not really used in a different way than the original meaning too much, though.
@@Naokarma teyvat has its own "laws." maybe those are the laws. could explain susstys behavior
@@Naokarma Oh! I never learned that in school. But then again, my schooling wasn't conventional either. I went to a different school every year so my lessons weren't consistent. They're called the Rhetorical Appeals, huh? Interesting. I'll have to look them up (And I'm gonna add it to the pinned comment cuz I think it's a neat thing). Thanks for pointing that out!
I just find it so funny how venti “Fixed” the holy lyre for a time but emphasizes that the fix wont hold forever, you could say he fixed it for “A moment”
Man, Ishtaroth/Kairos sounds like she might also be Paimon. Fell into the sea and survived? Hm, we resued Paimon from "drowning" off the coast. What if she wasn't drowning as much as she was floating back up to the surface? Paimon also knows a lot, and is the self appointed travel guide. When she isn't in her pocket dimension she's floating around us with a cape that has a space motif and constellations that pop in/out of existance with her and her pocket dimension. She was encountered in/Associated with Mondstat, the land of wind and time, and we seem to have gained some sort of small time control with her.
Nah nah she shits constellations
Completely obsessed
Do you remember the very small island with a sundial in the middle of the sea in starsnatch cliff (i think), the one that's not on the map? The game starts with the traveller sitting on the beach facing that mysterious sundial island so maybe that's where they found paimon, and that sundial is associated with time and wind too
She is also the menu. You know, the thing that allows us to freeze time. She literally controls moments.
I remember the theory that Paimon is one of the moon goddesses being on this channel a few months ago. The fact that the evidence can point towards the three being 3 of the 4 shades supports this. I'm not convinced that Paimon is Kairos herself, but maybe a product of her, in a sense. An epithet of Kairos, if you will?
I have no idea how Mhy is able to pull inspiration from so many sources, implement it into so many aspects in Genshin and still make it make sense
20:36 revisiting this video after having read the Chasm artifact's lore. And wow, you might be right, the sun was also driven by a chariot, and after some disaster it crashed into the plains west of Liyue, creating the Chasm (Zhongli was very young at this time so we can estimate this to be approximately 6000 years ago). This meteor was described to have a "proud and agitated temper", and that it leapt back to the heavens presumably during the Archon War
Having seen their previous games....practice lots and lots of practice.
I'll say genshin storyline team is very good at compressing events that's why it's so we'll connected even tho sometimes it doesn't make sense
@@cosmicpegasus9697 it doesn't make sense because they are not making a good job executing it. Idk what copium you all inhaled but the Genshin lore is so convoluted nobody actually understand what's happening. The quest are boring af. They get these inspiration and references from a lot of culture and mythology without simplifying anything and makes the story complicated and hard to follow. If you think the game has the best storytelling then i pity your definition of "good storytelling". I advice watch media that actually has good stories in it so y'all could have better judgement.
@@Vizible21 well I only meant to the point on managing to connect the events that's all and as I said sometimes doesn't make sense because considering they take inspiration from mythology and culture but they don't a good job of explaining everything as in story telling important part is to explain every situation like vision hunt decree was due to fatui and that's all? I mean rn nothing makes sense as game hasn't yet came to a point where everything makes sense overall it's just for player satisfaction at this point ☝️
Something I've come to expect is that I don't think all of the "inspiration" was actually intentional, but rather come from common sources. Essentially you can draw parallels between many different mythologies. With these parallels, you can have something that was actually inspired by only one of them, but it can appear inspired by the others just because of those shared elements. In this case, it would still be accurate to say that the elements are related to those other stories, but not actually directly inspired by them.
Regarding the storytelling in Genshin, it is definitely not the greatest, but I think it's adequate. The worldbuilding on the other hand I personally find to be rather interesting to dive into, especially since more information is delivered slowly across several updates allowing it to recontextualize earlier information to present a completely new meaning. We can make these kinds of predictions, and unlike with a finished work where none of the predictions can be confirmed from that point on without sequels and spin-offs and such, with Genshin there's actually some hope that the questions we have might be answered in future releases.
This is why i like learning about history and different cultures and seeing this game pull different lore form history culture and this is why i want to see the full story of this game.
It’s nice because it both connects to things I already know and gives me new things to research
If you can only understand the lore of the game just by researching about the inspiration they were taken and only understand them based off of that then they didn't do a good job of it. Inspiration from different culture is cool and all but the execution tho?
@@Vizible21 the game is barely 1 year old. People said that Raiden's story was bad and had a lot of plotholes, when now with the second story quest, most of the loose threads were tied up and properly explained. So I say give it time, because if you've ever played mihoyo's other game honkai, they do make things intentionally vague in the beginning but I do believe there will be payoff.
@@Vizible21 I think this is where the concepts of world building versus storytelling probably comes in. The genshin world building is vast and incredibly detailed but some of the storytelling (especially in chapter 2) wasn't executed as well as it could be. I'm hoping mihoyo picks up the ball with that and though I'm not holding my breath, I'm hoping it includes more voiced traveler so they can feel more like they're a part of the story
@@Vizible21 how are you going to judge the execution of an incomplete story?
This adds more questions to the already mysterious Venti... like VENTI WHAT ARE YOU????
What if venti is one of the seelie people who survived the disaster in the angels's hall. He has a cape that stretches over his knees,just like the seelie cape that leaves enough space for like knees. The top of its head looks like a bumpy hat that looks like it has feathers. And venti can come near seelies and they aren't scared of him. And he holds them in his hands,and a seelie was known to sing to a wolf. And venti REALLY loves song. And the seelies are turquoise and who is associated with turquoise??
*Drumroll* VENTI
I also thought of Venti maybe being related to the Seelie in some way! I'm glad to see someone else considering it too..
Additionally to what you already mentioned,
I wondered if Kairos/Istaroth being the goddess of the thousand winds maybe just means that she was the one who *created* the winds herself and those winds were the Seelie that according to the game were specifically *created* to guide humans. It would fit right? Afterall the Seelie should have been created at roughly that time when Kairos/Istaroth was around. In the game the wind is often brought up with the motif of guiding or leading people so that would fit pretty well too.
In one of the catalysts stories it is said that the winds are shapeless/formless but have some sort of personality because Venti/Barbatos "gave" them one by writing odes for them. It is also said that they were "called by name". This would kind of suggest to me that they at least used to have names at some point (or he named them himself) Venti is known for writing songs to preserve the memory of heros like Vennessa etc. so maybe he did the same for the other winds/seelies that he considers family? (It is said he considers the thousand winds as family and friends). I mean why would he name each single cloud and wind otherwise in dedicated odes and consider them family if they aren't already his family?
Personally, I don't think that they are just anemo-colored for nothing. The game works so much with colors and their elements that it seems odd to me if they just made them look like this without second thought. Also if we look at the Seelie courts (the less broken ones in Enka) then we can see that they had feathers and wings for arms which are definitely associated with wind/anemo and Venti.
Just a thought but I would love that theory to be true because I've been interest in the Seelies story since the beginning (and I like Venti)!
also even though we don't know what seelies really looked like, venti's original form is similar in appearance to the seelie "ghosts" we see all over
and the motifs on the seelie's body look like some kind of music sheet with 3 lines and a symbol
@@cosmicjules tbh it looks like a mini abyss mage to me
This patch cycle has been mostly about Ashikai slowly losing her sanity as far as I'm concerned, and I'm here for it.
... You're not wrong...
Some notes from the Chinese version:
*Herrscher of the Void is actually "Herrscher of Space" in Chinese, as "Space" and "Void" uses the same character "空" as abbreviation.
*"Principle" (as in Heavenly Principles) and “Reason" (Logos) share a similar relationship as above, as both are abbreviated as "理"
*There's a concept, somewhat pervasive in China, but nowhere else, that there actually exist four exalted pillars among the 72 demons of the Ars Goetia, which are Baal, Paimon, Asmodeus, and Astaroth. So far, the possibility that Mihoyo intends to use it cannot be eliminated. It is notable that Istaroth is likely a variant of Astaroth, and the sustainer's beta name is supposedly "Asmoday".
*In "Ode to Azhdaha", it is referred to that Azhdaha's palace reached "Wangshu". Wangshu is a poetic name for the Moon in the Chu tradition, but it actually refers to a god that drove a moon chariot.
That's news to. I've definitely heard of the Four Kings of the Cardinal Directions, but generally their names are Gaap, Amaymon, Corson, and Ziminiar. The variation i could find closest to this was Paymon, Asmodeo, Egion, and Maimon.
Guess there's more investigating to do...
@@Ashikai On the Chinese side there were some digging into the origin of this concept, but so far there's been no dice. It's been speculated that it might have arisen from a translation of an obscure (possibly Japanese) work that ended up sustaining itself through a wikipedia cycle-esque kind of thing where people just copied each others' articles/citations.
Nevertheless, it cannot be fully dismissed as Mihoyo has a tendency to reference popular culture, which this concept has found its way into, ironically somewhat thanks to genshin's usage of the ars goetia.
It's a causation loop.
In the spanish translation Istaroth is named Astaroth so I don't know if it's really a variant or just localization issues 😅
- Ashikai - *reads forbidden book*
- Celestia: Square the F up!
- Ashikai: You can't kill all of us!
*RELEASES NEW VID*
- Celestia: Damn, she smart
Venti: "The pen is mightier than the sword"
Zhongli: Earth - Geo, he is the oldest archon, and has the ability to create subspaces, as an adepti, if I recall he infact TEACHES/blesses adepti this art. Places like an hourglass, without change, like passing the time back and forth.
Those two are good friends right? Hmm...
On another note with all the greek references, the style of helmet in the art of the crown is a Corinthian helmet, Corinth being one of the largest and most important cities of Greece
If you're saying that Venti. Zhongli, and Mako/Ei are shades of the might be moon sisters I'm here for it
This woman memorised all of her previous videos as well. Truly a blessing from the primordial one(not phanes bish)
The beginning bit on the "world becomes anew" makes it sound more like some level of terraforming. Given that the vishaps kings probably survive the terraforming, might mean that the pre-Primordial One world was not survivable enough for regular life/humans...
I asume 7 "nations" was heavy on one element like Seirei Island.
Given that vishap are fine in any environment this have most sense.
Remember humans can't handle elemental energy almost at all. Simply having noctolucus jade risks the owners life if it's not processed properly due to elemental residue.
The vishaps are creatures native to teyvat (or pre teyvat) so logically their bodies are made for this land. Humans are foreign and even now they haven't evolved to handle elemental energy without divine intervention such as being given a vision.
When I first discovered that one of the 4 shades was the god of time, I immediately thought the the other one's would be Death, Life and Space, so, the alternative translation fits better for me (Also, it's a bit strange to have 3 gods of time, unless they are direct related to present, past and future, which does not seem to be the case, but it could be)
Also, I find interesting how it fits well the taffle teory you made a while ago (Like, 5 kings, one of them being the high king, etc)
...OH YEAH lmao
Actually, that's genius, because it still fits with the Gods of Time, Life is a way to mark a passage of time, Death is for when that passage ends and another begins and space obviously being Space-Time. Death can also be transition, a way to change one passage to another
@@nyarlathotep-thecrawlingch6335 Okay, so, logos aside
Were assuming there are 3 gods of time, because there are 3 moon sisters. (I pretty sure there's also 3 rulers/gods of time/fate on Nordic, Greek and Roman mythology to support this) (However one of the artifact types being direct named after time is a bit odd when you think about having 3 gods of time)
So, Time is time, while death and life can be associated with it (Life = Passage of time, present, in-between or beginning and Death = Transition, future or end (Not exactly the end of all, but maybe the end of a cycle))
Having a God of Life is a but odd too, considering the existence of the dendro archon, but I guess dendro is more related to plants? Can't really speculate about with almost no in-game reference to it
You said about the space-time correlation, well, we could also throw space aside, and stick with 3 gods for time (Maybe the 4° one represent space and is the Khaenri'ah moon from we will be reunited?). Space not being one of the moon sisters could also explain why the Unknown God is alive, if she's one of the shades, since it's said that the 3 moon sisters died (Which could be a false info, 2 bodies crumbling away is sus)
@@HDrago The Moon sisters dying isn't a confirmed fact, it's from the perspective of the humans, is it not? So that means they may still be alive, just not in charge of the world anymore except for the Sustainer
Although I don’t think it’s likely that Venti is a reincarnation of the Primordial One though…Venti himself did say that he was once one of the Thousand Winds. I thought it was something like the Primordial One creating his 4 shades and one of the 4 shades creating a thousand winds and one of those is Venti. Something like that. This brings me back to the riddle about the Year, Months, Days and how the father is the Year and the daughters are the months. What if the Primordial One and his shades and the thousand winds works kind of like that?
I don't think so. His powers are too limited compared to Primordial One. But I think he knows about him. I think the king from the Gnostic Chorus is the Primordial One and it's told by Venti. The first crowned heir is Istaroth who took care of Enkanomiya (which guess fits the description of the Kingdom of Darkness). Venti knew Istaroth, so he knew about fate of Istaroth after she was "deceived".
so wait, 7 dragon lords? so they could have been turned/transmuted into the 7 gnonsis (hearts) elements of the world! :O
Not directly.
It seems like something the second thrones did, not first one.
Like the essence were kept somewhere, and the second guy found them and turned them against the first one, but in new form
The vishaps do seem to possess elemental abilities, so it's not impossible that the seven lords could've each had some affinity for each of the elements.
I’ve been wondering if the Seven Sovereigns were turned into the Hypostasis Cubes- they growl when defeated.
@@danielm5535 more likely than the gnoses if we look at what kind of alchemy sucrose practices. She transforms living things (p.e. frogs) into those little butterflies she uses in her skill and burst. If you look closely the core of the butterflies are cube shaped. Similarly (as mentioned in the video) the presumed god of space also uses cubes to manipulate space. Therefore it‘s not unlikely that the 7 vishaps were transformed by her or the primordial one into the cube-shaped hypostasis.
Likely the archons and their gnoses do have some connection to the hypostases though because the hypostases seem to reflect the state of the current archon/region in that the anemo, geo and electro hypo show cracks in their design. After sumeru has come out now the dendro hypo has also proven to be unique in how it is defeated by restoring it (through dendro) and getting rid of the cracks.
I think the 7 archons could be the reincarnation of the seven dragons but that seems very unlikely But it sounds like an interesting theory
I've been wondering, when you defeat an abyss herlad, it says "the abyss shall rise AGAIN"... Again? Like was there an abyss order before the Khaenriah incident that transformed its people? Maybe abyss order existed since the primordial one when Khaenriah /Enkanomiya And teyvat were one people. But then when the primordial one was defeated by probably Celestia who came later, the heads of the abyss order are planning for revenge and had the transformed people to join the abyss order... Maybe?
there is a difference between the Abyss and the Abyss Order, we can assume that the Abyss has always been there (maybe its what the primordial one separated teyvat from with the egg shell), so they may be referencing that?
Now calling them abyss herlads.
Just a note, Logos translating to logic actually makes a lot of sense because logos usually translates to logic in rhetoric, like in ethos, pathos, and logos.
Great video as always!
[39:13] The Only creatures that I can think of for inhabitants of pre-historic Teyvat would be the inhuman ones who we don't have much explanation for... like the *Tanuki* (and Tengu and Oni) in "Inazuma", *Foxes* _probably_ in "Mondstadt" (as Ioroi points that they weren't originally from "Inazuma"), the *Adepti* (as *Qilin* and such) in "Liyue", the serpent-like things with tridents whose name escapes me, which we suspect lurk(ed) around "Sumeru"... Like, *Before Sun and Moon* doesn't say anything about the creation of non-human creatures, but they do exist! Sus! Like this world was an amalgamation of Demon worlds from many mythos, ruled by elemental Dragons... and the Primordial One decided to live there with his _humans_ cos' reasons.
(Seelie probably don't count, as we assume that they exist / were created to guide humanity _and_ I am still for the E.L.F. theory, lewl~)
Going through this video I had a completely random thought that I thought I’d type out here.
When you mentioned the story of Noah’s arc, and that it was where humanity came from, It got me thinking. In the story of Noah’s ark, Noah, after the flood was over, sent out a dove to find safe land for the surviving humans to rest. If the Project Ark theory does have merit, do you think that the travellers could be a representation of this dove, since they are supposedly looking for a new home? And if that’s the case, is their creator the primordial one? That could potentially tie in with Albedo since the primordial human project was named after said god, and the Traveller & Albedo have a lot of similarities that have yet to be uncovered.
This is probably completely wrong, but it was an interesting idea. Anyways great video Ashikai! Always making me think XD
Oooo the twins as doves! They are "looking for a home" and they have wings! :0
That's so smart!
You just blew my mind. Wow!
But doesn't that mean they would have to have been sent by a greater power to search for a suitable environment 🤔. Imagine the reason they were trapped here was because they risk outside entities finding out a out this world. They risk invasion or out right destruction. They don't want the people to realize they aren't native to this world, if they do people will want to look beyond, but what if they are hiding . Then celestia risk being found. The twins may just be collateral in this situation since they risk exposing teyvat to their masters.
@@dtk1981 now I'm confused. If that was the case, Asmoday would have killed us then and there and there wouldn't be a game lol
@@venti9925 they are looking for a new home. Their presence in teyvat isn't what triggered the heavely principles, it was their desire to leave. Take to mind she chose to strip us of our power and thus our ability to escape. Why she didn't outright kill us, I don't know. They are quick to hit the reset button on nations who pondered the meaning of life a little too long, so it is strange that we weren't clapped right then and there. Even further Raiden was free to eliminate any threat to her divine ideal, which we know is close to the heavely principles. But being an exception to Raidens eternity may not me comparable to being an exception to the heavely principles. For all we know that could have been our saving grace. It's just speculation.
I appreciate how the more we learn about Genshin's world the more mihoyo's grand scheme somehow gets simultaneously more murky and yet coherent. i wouldn't be surprised if after all of this we find out that the 'Primordial One' and its shades were people with advanced technology from the Honkai worlds that used technology to recreate the world, and then forbade that exclusive technology from humanity in order to "protect" them from the hershers and honkai, that 'godhood' and the knowledge of technology is exclusive only to 'gods' and therefore they use it to stay in power and that's why they had to destroy khaenriah, and that magic is a type of technology that the abyss are slowly corrupting and they are at war with Celestia for that very reason, perhaps even seeing the honkai as benevolent. my brain hurts from all the possibilities but I must say thank you for another epic lore video - whenever I get the notifs that you've posted another one it just makes my day.
Also I think we can draw parallels between the Genesis Pearl with the snake around it to the World Egg and the snake wrapped around it. Both are very similar. Also this Ark probably refers to Teyvat since Teyvat means Ark right? But that wouldn’t make any sense if all this took place on Teyvat itself when we know Teyvat is some type of firmament and not a world.
the whole Teyvat could be a story of Alien cultivated pre-existing planet to make it fit for their survival, and in the process killing the original dominant species
29:00 Something else to add on to this point is that Venti has not only taken on the form of his (dead) friend but he also often tells tales of people from the past aka dead people. He is remembering dead people and helping others remember them as well. This just further solidifies Venti's connection to Istaroth.
An hourglass and Death are super related as a persons life is represented as an hourglass, in fact I would say that the hourglass is one of the most recognizable time-related symbols of death.
What if “seven nations” in the Vishap-era refers to “seven elements” that they ruled over, and when the primordial one took over and “the seven nations submitted to the heavens” it actually means that the primordial could manipulate the elements at will and that’s why they were able to re-create the world (terraforming, basically) and then create life, with the help of the shade(s).
Just something I got stuck on with the mention of nations seemingly before the world had any major civilisations to speak of.
i think phaenus being a shade of the primordial one makes much more sense. It's like a Father, Son, Holy Spirit, situation where they're all the same "energy" just portrayed in different entities. So the shades WOULD BE the primordial one just in a different light.
The result if the war of the second throne is something I’ve been thinking about for a while. That and the Night Mother are just two lore bits that just hang around in my mind rent-free. I definitely think it’s possible that the second throne won and banned books on the history of Teyvat to cover it up and deceive the people into thinking that the powers above never changed. Celestia was once benevolent but stopped being so after a certain point. I’ve been wondering if the war of the second throne was the turning point.
Also, I wonder if Nix (Nyx?) has any connection to the Night Mother. The name definitely matches
I just love how enka basically confirmed Kokomi to be the human rebirth of one of the Seven Sovereigns, Dragon of Water.
Can't believe this but I might actually skip Miko for Kokomi...
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Quick thing! There is a fifth “suit” In tarot known as the Major Arcana which has the cards like The fool, the Emperor, The tower, things like that. They represent big ideas and… bigger picture things. Rather than the more specific things the main 4 suits get into. I think it’s interesting how that plays into the crown artifact too since that artifact specifically has a big part to play in how your character is built and how they play
That's not really a suit. The major arcana and the minor are, are distinctive between each other because the major arcana actually deals with spiritual and or things that don't technically manifest for real in your daily life. These are things like a spiritual growth or healing from past traumas and things like that. People put far too much stock in the major arcana. The minor arcana are a lot more reliable of a reference and the reason why they have suits is because they're very closely related to the normal deck of playing cards that we use today, with cups being hearts, swords being spades, wands being clubs, and diamonds being pentacles.
To call it its own suit is a bit misleading I think. I say this coming from a long line of professional card readers on my father's side. I still have family members who do this as their full-time job so I kind of grew up steeped in it and therefore have my own biases based on that experience. However I can say with confidence that I have never heard of the major arcana being called a suit.
What is worth looking into as far as the major arcana goes, is the journey of the fool because that's actually what the major arcana represents. The fool is the first card in the deck represented by the number zero and as you increase each card by one he meets different characters and encounters different obstacles within his life until he finally gets to the end and is able to experience the totality of the world. I'd say that the major arcana in this case is far more likely to represent the traveler, but again that's my opinion.
@@Ashikai you are so true for that - that’s why I put it in quotations haha - I just thought it was interesting how it could *maybe* be indicative of the crown artifact, seeing as tarot is steeped in spirituality it could have something to do with the crown chakra.?? Which has a lot to do with matters of the spirit and the mind and less so with real life? But I’m not sure if miHoYo went that far into it all. It’s possible though! A fifth artifact was included and they did say it was based on tarot so it was just my theory!!
And I just noticed how a lot of the descriptions of circlet artifacts have to do with expression of emotion/obscuring sight which is interesting.. I wonder why that is..
As for the story following the traveler that’s such a cool comparison I love that theory… I love all your analysis, theories, and opinions so much!! Your content is something I always look forward to!! and that’s so cool to hear your background with tarot and everything I have so much respect for that !!
Watching your videos reminds me of the episode of hunterxhunter when gon and Killua learn that artists unknowingly imbued their creations with Nen through genuine effort and it’s what separates great works of art and counterfeit. Ur vids got a lotta nen and im excited to experience it :)
Venti also guides at least Mondstadtian Souls to the Afterlife, so he could have the Death Powers of Istaroth.
Btw. In the German Tl the Artifacts are Life, Death, Time, Void and Reason(ing)
It kinda makes me very sus of Raiden Eis origin now. There are so many things about her that is related to the moon. I suspect that she is the reincarnation of one of the moon sisters who probably died and became twins with Makoto after reincarnation or something. Her past form might actually be like the omnipresent god statue and is probably the Sand of Eon piece since Eon is the largest unit of time, aka very close to eternity. Mihoyo would most likely link their 2 original mcs together in all their games, aka Kiana (the sustainer) and Mei(Raiden). So it makes sense that both of them are the shades of the primordial one. They came into conflict and one of them died. The ending of ggz game was Kiana killing Mei, so the moon sisters killing each other is just mihoyo repeating the same story. Just look at the plane of Euthymia, there is a red moon inside to represent her as one of the moon sisters most likely. And even her charge attack with her spear has the shape of a crescent moon. So in my opinion Raiden Ei is even more sus compared to Venti. But it is possible that Ei forgotten that she is one of the moon sisters, maybe only recalling fragments of the past. Eternity in greek is Aion, and the sands artifact is Eon, which comes from the word Aion.
And Sands is the only piece that can have ER main stat, the most crucial stat for Shogun and her role in a team. Well for most players at least, whales can just hypercarry her, do anything they want, Teyvat's law cant bind those whales 🤣.
About what you said of the artifacts lore, I only can talk about the artifact of emblem of severed fate bc i have memorized its lore haha. It kinda matches your interpretation, it's crazy!
Flower (origins): It talks about how Teruyo gave Iwakura his new name, erasing his past. It's also when they agree to have the first match of those 13 years
Plume (things that have been said): Iwakura finally won. He almost killed teruyo. This is when teruyo told him her last words before disappearing, she told him to forget about her. Iwakura couldnt tell her that he wanted to fight another year.
Sands (events that actually happened): this one is interesting. It's narrated in first person by Hibiki. She is talking to Takamine and sharing facts about each other, one of them: their bet before his death.
Goblet (emotions): this one is quite sad. Iwakura is now Doukei, an instructor in the Kujou family. He came back to the little shrine where he fought Teruyo for 13 years. He never met her again since he won.
And that's it! It kind of matches the themes!!
Oho! Interesting!
Suddenly I have a thought... WHAT IF well you said the moon sisters may be the other 3 shades. So far we only have 2 confirmed ancient kingdom in teyvat. Sal Vindagnyr and the other one in Tsurumi Island. what if the three sister is tasked with guiding each kingdom with seelies? Oh I forgot to add Enkanomiya. Since Istaroth gave Abrax the wisdom to create Helios. It may be the third ancient kingdom.
Thus when the second throne came, they destroy the three kingdoms which received direct guidance from the shades of the primodial one to erase the history of the first throne. (I'm assuming that the second one wins) and well, since the moon sisters somehow died remaining only one 'corpse' left, thus we have several ancient kingdom.
Also, maybe the floating island, where it's called celestia is indeed the place where moon sisters and seelies resides. Which we see in every ancient kingdoms (idk about enka tho haven't finished exploring that one) and then, be made to imprison the seelIes who somehow shrunk in size because their memories is drifting away. Some that we see in teyvat may be those who escaped when the disaster happened. Which is why in the manga we saw that the interior of celestia looked like a prison.
This is just a thought that came to me suddenly, please keep that in mind xD
By "nations" the book might not necessarily be referring to the modern Teyvatian ones. I think it may be referring to the elements. For example there are creatures that are formed from pure elemental power. What if those beings were not created by the first throne, but submitted to it instead?
The word "nation" is pretty flexible. In day to day use, we use it synonymously with "state." But that isn't the only thing "nation" refers to. It also means a group of people with a distinct culture, genetics and/or identity. With this in mind, it's possible that geographical areas like Mondstadt or Liyue are not "nations" that are being spoken about.
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7 hours is the amount of time I spend on genshin, so when I'm done I can immediately watch this ahaha
eyyyy just in time!!! Just finished up playing with friends and retired to bed (and teapot) ehehehe
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Yesss hi so excited for the stream hbu?
Seelies come in different flavours (i.e. anemo, pyro, and electro currently) so its possible that the seelies were divided into 7 nations and they died and now just their remnants are left.
41 mins! Let’s go! Going to listen to every minute of it. Been waiting for this theory you’ve been teasing!
Ahhhh! Just when I think I've finally figured some stuff out you come out with a video that gives me loads of content to think about! Love your videos Ashikai! Keep up the awesome work!!
Thank you for another amazing video! They're always so well researched and informative!
(Oh and when you mentioned the second who came after the peimordial one it reminded me of the battlepass story where one of the heirs is corrupted while on their mission so a second heir is sent and stuff)
I LOVE YOUR STORYTELLING. It always makes me chuckle. I love this take of yours on this painfully vague book.
Really enjoying the lore videos!
You have achieved the perfect blend of making informative yet entertaining videos. Also love how clean and simple the editing in your videos is!
So a possibility I just thought of. I don’t know if you’ve considered this before or not. But is it possible humanity didn’t originate or be created in Teyvat. Instead humans lived somewhere else, a different planet and where relocated into teyvat and the terraforming of teyvat was them filling it with the seeds of their original world. They left a dying world (flooded earth in Noah’s Ark) to new fertile lands that was teyvat.
Some Honkai players do speculate this. In short, there is a project in HI story called Project: Ark which basically sending satellite/probe/spaceships to find a habitable world for human, because their original planet is kinda in a brink of calamity by very powerful entity. The spaceship contains complete information of human genome, an AI to control & monitor the spaceship and it is also speculated to contain a human as a person in charge of that project.
I know it’s a year late but funny enough, Ashikai also had a whole video on this, haha!
after finishing the the whole video, i must say, the in depth of the research that you have done really amaze me, kudos, keep it up
The Crown could be connected to the Major Arcana. Incidentally, one interpretation of the major arcana is the Hero's Journey, the cyclical monomyth narrative...
I've been waiting all day for this, these lore videos are some of the best in existence
Thank you so much Ashikai for another mind blowing video
Another amazing video ash, thanks for making this type of content knowing how hard it is to rack your brain around alllllllll the books and texts for genshin impact
I really love your long videos.. and your theories are always filled with surprises
i got recomended ur channel recently and am watching the old videos and ur hypothesis are always getting confirmed, you are really into the right wayyy 👁👄👁
40 minutes of Lore is just a blessing, thank you for the hard work Ashikai
Your content is truly such a gift to the community.
Your editing and music is so good! Genshin lore is complicated but your presentation makes it somewhat comprehensible 😊
This video is the one that making my head explode more than all the previous theory/lore video. Amazing how much things were foreshadowed, linked, and even have so many references to mythology. Amazing video thank so much for this love your channel
For people like me, who love mythology, Hades and Persona (the music is always a nice touch) : this video is a bliss
Your theories are exactly what I was thinking myself too and now seeing you say it too makes it even more unreal
I saved you a lot of work then lol
ashikai your produciton qualtiy has gotten so much better over the past year. really love to see it
Love all this! I'm glad you mentioned the old Lisa quest and the weird connections that I mentioned in a comment after the last video, but I hadn't ever thought about there being connections to the moon sisters, that makes a lot of sense!
It's nice to have the theories relate to some parts of your culture/religion.
Can't wsit for the next one!!
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wow, your theories make me so excited for the future of this game
The amount of effort you put into this videos is insane, I mean 40 MINUTES just for one video,keep up the great work!
If one of the shades is the god of time does that mean Raiden Ei and Raiden Makoto are their descendants cause Ei is the god of Eternity and Raiden makoto I guess is the God of the Moment and both moment and eternity are part of Time
Edit found out more
During ei’s story quest the name istaroth (forgot how to spell it) was shown above Ei’s dialogue when talking to yea, I have a feeling it was relating to the god of time)
I don't think they're that directly related. Every archon holds an ideal, and for electro, that ideal is Eternity just like how geo values Contracts and wind values Freedom. I do think that the Raidens KNOW Istaroth, but idk that they're family.
As a casual player who doesn’t do a lot of reading of the books from the game; I absolutely love your theories! They’re so well crafted and you break them down so perfectly; the editing is phenomenal and your wording is chef kiss precise!! I look forward to your next videos!!
THIS LEFT ME COMPLETELY SPEECHLESS omg.... if istaroth is infact related to the death artifact rather then the time sands artifacts and is one of the moons, and instead of the the god of time as in everything under time but rather the moments (and i do remember maybe in the book before sun and moon was istaroth referred to as EVERY moment) then alot of things relate straight back to venti... (i relate everything back to venti but anywho), when venti 'fixed' the holy lyre, he basically just 'fixed it for a moment' , and venti also has quite alot of moon and death motifs, considering the theme played specifically at night in mondstadt is called 'dream aria' and his skin is also called skyward 'sonnet' (which im pretty sure aria is connected to the moon, as sonnet and aria, which are also considered forms of song and music, anddd venti is a bard,, and also dream and sleep in some way) which when you think of it, venti indeed spends quite a bit of his time in slumber??? and also, in ventis story quest he seems to relieve stanleys soul, basically freeing him from the world, which got a lot of people thinking he may be related to death, and also how freedom is connected to death in some way (which would also make sense if istaroth represents the death artifact and moments, considering life is just a moment of time) oh and also, istaroth is only seen in moments of history, for example when she was worshipped with barbatos, it was only for a moment before she got forgotten in time
also i really love your content because it encourages me to theorize about the lore further!!! i hope you keep on uploading and have a great day ahead ^^
now now ashikai, how am i supposed to sleep when u plant so many ideas in my head? ill take a week to digest this vid. fabulous research as always! as a previous student in a classical gymnasium, these videos are like you pulling all my old knowledge of greek and roman civilisations and making them make sense in this context! thank you for ordering my brain hahaha
ashikai has done it again! another great video
YESS your lore videos make my day
Amazing content as always 💯❤️✨
As a history and mythology nerd, who is also planning to collect and read the classic sources (i.e. Theogony, Metamorphoses, Poetic Edda, etc.), this in-depth analysis on the various inspirations and easter eggs that are present in Genshin Impact was quite a surprise. Your video presentation, humor and editing have made me learn a few new things, specifically the existence of Orphism. I've quite enjoyed binging through your videos so I think the obvious thing to do is subscribe
Great video! In my ancient greek classes, we could sometime translate "logos" by "reason". The amount of knowledge and research you put in your videos is truly amazing.
These are probably my favorite videos on the internet currently.
I thought here: maybe historians called the 7 nations pre the primordial one because they were 7 places where the 7 strongest vishaps of each element dominated. 🦋
So we have: 4 shades (time, space, light, dark) and the primordial one. I've always thought that Venti and Paimon's teasing each other viciously was kinda suspicious. Also, like with Zhongli, I believe Venti is hiding a lot more information than it seems. Could the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles be the shade representing space? Then, it is also possible that Venti and Paimon together represent the shade of Time. Venti being often depicted with the God of time, could that be Paimon (she just lost her memory) and together they make 1 shade? Also, I find it so strange that we fished her out of the sea and yet she doesn't mention going back to her family or home at all. Is she truly an amnesiac or simply running away from her responsibilities? I think Mondstadt being the first nation we visit is gonna have huge lore implications in later patches. By the way, I love your theory crafting videos and the comments section always has me teeming with ideas! 🤔
It's always the way you speak and explain that keeps me engaged in listening. I usually get zoned out in class but here ? Nah
love your videos ashikai!!!!!! always supa interesting
Wow can’t believe you brought back the discussion of the pale princess and the 6 pygmies! I almost forgot about that but it works so well with everything! What a great memory!
Wow this is a very different take on it all. I’m surprised because I would have never thought of that on my own. Very impressive. Venti being the reincarnation of the Primordial One would be even more impressive. I wanna hear your thoughts on the rest of the topics in the book.
Your videos are my favorite Genshin lore videos!!!! They always set my mind swirling with ideas send me down insane theory rabbit holes. Thank you for the time and work you put in to these. They are so much fun!
I'm now obsessed with discovering who lived in Teyvat before the Primordial One came. My current thoughts are Vishaps(obviously), Seelies, Pygmies, Oceanids(extreme hesitation), and Adepti. Others will probably be revealed in future regions. My current insane and probably wrong head canon is that Morax was one of the original Sovereigns(vanquished does not necessarily mean killed) and his first Contact was with the Primordial One to save the Adepti thus earning the title God of Contracts.
See what your videos do to me? 😂😂😂😂
I never realized how intricate this game was. Something new every video!
Part 2 just in time for the _Enkanomiya - Electric Boogaloo_ hype! Yay!
Part 3 after 2.5? :D
(I will consider this video an early birthday present, as it goes through pretty much all of my concerns with *Before Sun and Moon* and my _Solar Return_ is just around the corner! So~ thanks!)
As someone who witnessed her going nuts on twitter about "Before Sun and Moon" I'm surprised how cohesive this video was. Great job Ashikai
5:20 Appreciate how you lined up your voice with Albedo’s skill
Great video! Well worth the wait:)
I think paimon is one of the moon sisters, though I’m not exactly sure how to word why. It just makes sense to me with context of a bunch of theories and lore bits and things lol
I've said it as a joke once but the Primordial One in Genshin might as well be Welt from Honkai.
Also don't be surprised if their next game Star Rails may have events that leads up to the creation of Genshin.
I see you possess future vision.
(don't spoil the rest of the next theory vid plz :P )
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i love how "come into being" was synced perfect with albedo's e skill
I just wanted to say I immensely enjoyed the frequent and insistent insertion of that glorious footage of a guy breaking an egg throughout the video.
@Ashikai Another great video, oh and thanks for giving my Bishops aka Magical Dino Breathen a shout out
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!!!!!!!!! Thank you for the video!!! It's very insightful, and it made me think for a bit.
From all my thinking in Genshin, I come across *4 weird entities that possibly have powers beyond the 7 elements* , the first three also coincidentally having the same general aesthetic around them. I tried connecting my already existing theories with the ones in the video:
*1. Dainslief = Flower of Life* - A Khaenriahn who is pro-humanity, in a nation who is prolific with the Art of Khemia, which is essentially the artificial creation of life. Seems fitting for him to be guarding it I think. And i'd like to think that the Ouroboros connections to him are fitting now, since he is technically experiencing corruption - He is self-destructing.
*2. Signora = Plume of Death (but not quite)* - We don't really know why signora has her powers, or how she got it, but she is very violent and very forward-facing with her issues, dealing with it personally. I suggest that Signora has gotten a forbidden power of a moon goddess that crumbled. Coincidentally, she's a Mondstadter, from the land of Air. Also, with a funerary aesthetic, solidifying "Death". Moths are also Associated with moons.
*3. Sustainer = Sands of Eons* - We know her as someone who controls time, so her being a moon goddess as well as being a goddess of time makes sense. She is the only one in "Celestia", at least if she came from there. Also from the CN translation's stand-point, i think calling it the time piece is reasonable in a sense that she's the only one left of the three, presumably.
*4. Paimon = Goblets of Eonothem (suppressed)* - The goblet that can provide us elemental energy which can let the wearer who doesn't even use that elemental power to have it regardless? Very Paimon with our visions. Also, we found Paimon underwater, connecting to the cup and water theme of the cards. Also space cape aesthetic, homing to the Goblet of Space CN translation.
I base this theory just through *simple design choices* that Mihoyo chose:
*Black Stars* - A hair piece for Paimon, Multiple on Signora's neck and chest area
Intertwining Appliques - Sustainer and Dainsleif's chest, Signora's back cape.
*White hair* - Signora, Sustainer, Paimon
*Celestial Cape Underside*- Signora is the only one who doesn't have this, which may be because she is mortal/not the true moon goddess.
Coincidentally too, *Dainsleif and Albedo are both blonds with blue eyes* . Albedo is a part of the primordial human project, which makes me think *what if Dainslief is actually the Circlet, and Albedo possibly the Flower?*
1. Dainslief in the travail trailer makes it sound like he's the last boss out of everything: "Defeat me, command me to step aside, show me that you are worthier than I to rescue her". For a game named Primordial God Impact, it seems reasonable for the final boss to be the Primordial God itself right? The unknown god might just be a red herring, which is why we're going to Khaenriah as the last act because we had a realization. Dainsleif being the Primordial one makes more sense if Albedo is Phanes, too. Since Dainsleif said before that he *will* intervene if Albedo has made a fatal error. He is in charge of his shade.
2. Albedo already has the flower aesthetic and already understands life and creation very well. Makes his not being a failed experiment come into full circle. Albedo is also (subjectically) androgynous in nature, as you mentioned in the video is a description of Phanes. Coincidentally too, Albedo is one of the few things in the game that references the sun.
Also, It seems just very fitting for Mihoyo to introduce everyone in the first parts of the story, similarly to how Kiana was introduced in Honkai, to later be known as a Herrscherr.
I always thought of Signora as a waste, and I feel like Mihoyo will come around to her eventually, but maybe not as Rosalyne, but as another person altogether.
CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS❤
im watching this video after i got done with eis new story quest and i cant believe they mention that makoto got help from istaroth! Cant wait to see your options on that!!! :)
Another amazing video from you!! I love when you said the other 3 shades might be the Tri-moon Goddesses basically the Original Gods the title of the game. One of the tsurumi island quest a ghost name Una basically mention that all these dead souls going to board the boat to the moon where their dreams and ambition will become stars and become dreams of Teyvat children(constellation). So as Phanes create human The rest of shade are weaving the fate of Teyvat, that is until they perish and new authority take over. What question me is 1) IF the Primordial one came form the abyss (basically another world), and the traveller from a far and a current traveller also summoned from the abyss so the primordial one and all the travellers are related is some way?? 2) abyss want the book that Ishtaroth wrote and you mentioned the book from Monstad also. does that have aniything to do with abyss not having anemo elements?? I noticed there is no anemo ley line disorder also.
Anyway love your videos, deserve lots of love.❤❤
I want to see NOW!!!!!!
Before sun and moon physically and mentally broke me, like, it felt like so much lore was just dumped on us and it was kinda overwhelming 😅
Oh so this is why you made that riddle in your community post! I see now
This video is so mindblowing. Your brain is amazing
yay i was here for the premiere!
So would that mean that there's only 2 shades that are working right now? Susty one of the moon sisters and Phanes the sun, we all know you can't really kill some gods you can only diminish them just like what happened to Gouba so paimon possibly being Ishtaroth sounds pretty likely and if she was one of the moon sisters and she happened to fall from her guard post for whatever reason, that would explain why there's only 1 moon now and not 3, not sure what happened to the other moon sister though.
I love this theory, thank you so much for creating such amazing lore videos. Not only do i enjoy watching them because genshin lore but also the mythology learnt on the way is so interesting. The bit where the whole Phanes primordial one being deliberately written as ambiguous was incredibly confusing for me upon my first read and I'm so excited to see someone bring it to light and properly analyse it.
I always thought that the seelie, the 'messengers of god' from the tiara artifacts set and the period of time where humans seemed to have good contact with the Primordial one are all interconnected and possibly one in the same?
Secondly I feel like our new info on the god of time really just adds more too the whole weird stuff venti does.
Might help explain why Venti is capable of letting souls pass over (i.e stanley), his ability to create illusions or somehow use magic on the lyre to repair it. Maybe he wasn't repairing it but instead reverting it back to a certain moment in time but only for only a specific moment hence why it had a time limit, and his whole knowing all songs both past and present and since music in Genshin seems to be a method of retaining history as you said..
Then you have the tweet from Genshin linking back to the parable of the prodigal son.
And going back to the winds, souls, birds and death connection i have a loose quote from Bennets story,
"The scorching flames scalded his skin, the deafening thunder almost ruptured his eardrums, and the hollering winds threatened to rip his soul from him."
Its loose but maybe worth mentioning.
All seems a bit suspicious for a cheerful wind spirit and lover of wine.