[v2.1] Starkeeper Paimon - A Genshin Impact Theory
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2021
- I've been thinking about the possibility of Paimon the Starkeeper for a while now, so I'm really excited to finally be able to share my thoughts! It's not a very likely theory, I don't think, but it's still really fun nonetheless!
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This kind of explains Aloy not even having constellations. With the description saying its not time yet. Aloy just arrived and hasn't made any significant memories in this world YET.
Ayo, that makes a lot of sense! The more I read the comments the more legit this theory feels.
Now it would be cool if her constellations are unlocked as our friendship level increases
wait why does the traveller... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I agree with Paimon being a god who's going through erosion. I've been saying that it's a little sus that the longer our adventure goes on, Paimon seems to begin knowing less and less when she's the one who taught us everything we know in the beginning. Also, if Paimon is the protector of the stars then the star falling in the unreconciled stars event could have been a sign of that-
Apparently the directors asked paimon's English VA throughout the event to have her voice lower so this may be hinting on something 👀
@@mpred8606 i’m very excited
That would explain why she got so pissed when Scaramouche said that the stars are a lie
The statue of the omnipresent god in Inazuma has the same hair as Paimon, so she might be just that
@@psychott6 speaking of similarity, the wings, or whatever those things behind the statue look like the staff of homa lol
This “theory” seemed to be hinted by Zhongli at the end of the God of Salt Quest. When he told the Traveler about finding a way to “record history” followed by “If our history is engraved in your memory, it will one day accompany you into another world. As long as a Traveler like you is able to record what happened, then a backup of sorts will exist for times & tides of Teyvat.”
Underrated comment wtf yes
@@imaaniswki1288 thank you! Genshin’s lore is vast. There are many instances in where small talks like this may reveal some major hints to our understanding of the world of Teyvat.
so far only dain, venti, zhongli and albedo have realised that traveller is from some outer world....people of tevyat don't even know about planets, they think traveller is just from another nation. Even Raiden Ei thinks that lol
@@subeet1363 @Subeet Singh Uh... what? Mona literally confirms that she knows the Traveler is from another world mere seconds after meeting them. Fischl somehow knows as well (maybe the Traveler tells her). And Raiden Ei refers to the Traveler as being from the stars as well.
@@LibraritheWizardOfficial i'm not so sure bout fischl, i mean she can be teen living in a world that she created in her mind. and ei never said that we are from another world
Honestly if the theory of playable characters being the traveler’s memory of the real character is true, mihoyo could absolutely bring back dead characters like la signora to get money and still be canonically accurate without pulling some weird deus ex machina villain edition and bringing her back from obscure lore implications.
There are many, many ways she can come back. Phoenix, Sumeru and ressucrection and so on.. This theory only adds to the list. Have faith my friend. She will return!!
@@Ubeleili 🗿
Finally someone who isn’t analysising paimon only to say she’s the unknown God. I’ve always thought it was weird that only a few characters even mention how unusual paimon actually is. You don’t see a floating fairy everyday. Even the Archons don’t bat an eye to her or the symbol on her stomach, which is used in visions and in domains
sHe HAs WhiThe haIr liKe tHe uNkNowN gOd sO ThEY HaVE tO bE tHe SAme PErSon
What if everyone sees Paimon differently?
If they can tell Traveler isn't local people just from his/her clothes, why no one ever ask about flying Paimon?
Isn't it really weird that Kazuha could smells different scent but didn't comment "you're even flying like stars"...?
Because, they don't see Paimon like we did...
@@nabieladrian actually in albedo's story quest rosaria said that paimon's ability to disappear and reappear is very unique to technically they do see paimon how we see, they also refer paimon as flying creature
@@nabieladrian the young girl on Inazuma mentioned that Paimon is a flying thing when asked about what strange things that she saw (dunno the whole sentence but i remember "flying" is in it)
@@nabieladrian aside from what said above... Yoimiya acknowledges paimon and even tries to imitate the sound Paimon disappearing.
There are other mystical beings present in teyvat such as sprites (venti started as wind sprite), seelies and other things. She's basically an unidentified mysterious animal and like Most of people acknowledges paimon as just an exotic pet especially how is she always by the travellers side. Inazuma handed out wanted handouts about "a blonde foreigner and a mysterious flying pet".
in demonology terms, Paimon teaches all arts, philosophies and sciences. Traveler has the requirement to use different talent books to upgrade. The leveling of MC has a rotation for talent books per level. Other characters stick to only ONE type of book: Gold, Diligence, etc~
Yep. I literally don't know if Paimon is beefing us up for possession, and then ends up helping us because she ends up loving us. or she is beefing us up to make us emergency power food lmao.
Either way, I'm set on Paimon possessing us while we garner elemental energy lmaoo.
@@venti9925 yep definitely the second one she's gonna uno reverse emergency food us
She's the one who teaches us to use elemental powers.
Inhaling kopium I was thinking Paimon is a part of traveler like spiritual existence or smt like that :V
Also two things I noticed that support this theory:
1. When you send characters on expeditions, you can still use them suggesting that they’re in two places at once. Shape shifting into those characters explains how they’re off somewhere else and in your party.
2. In the world quest where you’re filming with Xavier, he calls you a star and the traveler seems *very* caught off guard by this, almost as if he’s shocked someone may know his true identity, or confused as to why it feels familiar being referred to as one.
#1 use to not be allowed. They updated it due to player feedback.
could you tell me the name of the quest you talk about in the 2 please
@@nyraarchives it's called "The Seventh Samurai" I believe
@@nyraarchives Yes it’s the Seventh Samurai. After doing Tatara Tales Xavier will be on the beach by Inazuma City somewhere I believe (if I’m wrong about location I apologize)
@@thedarkblueslime7406 thank you!
Another piece of evidence used to support this is when during the Inazuma part 2 quest, the resistance rookies ask the traveler to teach them archery. Traveler in-game uses a sword, not a bow, and there are no characters canonically traveling with you. They don’t address any other characters, they address the traveler. Idk, I just found that so odd.
THIS. Amber never really said that she'd follow Traveler and Paimon in Teyvat, only saying that she'd help find their sibling in her own way.
And she's one of the first archers we meet in the game. Other then that, it is pretty weird that they ask the Traveler.....a swords-man type to teach them about Archery.
Sometimes I suspect we aren't even truly shapeshifting. Because if you transform into the enemy general Kujou Sara, they don't start panicking or even mention it. So from an outside perspective, we always look like the Traveler. We're just suddenly using other people's moves.
"In Teyvat,the stars in the sky will always have a place for you."
It sounds warm first, but a little bit scary now.
Just hope P2L is not written in my constellation
@@wenxuezhao7273 Agreed. Since learning about the fake sky, it seemed like an empty thing to say. But now it's even more unnerving
@@wenxuezhao7273 what do you mean scary?
@@magicalgirl4 wait the sky is fake??
@@eryscalamitas1611 yuh
When you said, the traveler is a star that wishes for assistance from other stars to gain new powers (~ 12:48 ), it reminded me of the fight against Ei in her Plane of Euthymia. The traveler resonated with people's ambitions, and those ambitions lit up the sky in Ei's domain like stars, which helped us fight against Ei for the last time.
And about that, I never have seen anything addressing it, but Yae said to the Traveler that the ambitions were entrusted to him/her. She says "to you" while talking to the twin. That keep me thinking ever since, cuz that makes you think that the Traveler must have any type of connection with Celestia if they can resonate with the visions, and also the ambitions were entrusted to them too.
The shape of the star also has some resemblance to the star that ‘opens up’ when Dainsleif talks about ‘the dream yet to be dreamed’ in the Teyvat Story Preview for Khaenriah. Since you mention that the star shape is the same as when the Traveler resonates with the dreams/ambitions of previous vision holders, that probably means Khaenriah Power has some relation to the stars we had during the Ei fight. It would make sense as well as the stars are OP during that fight.
Meanwhile a weeb: "It's the power of friendship"
After the moon chase event, it’s hard not to think Paimon was once big and powerful in ancient times, just like Guoba. But then something happened and she sacrificed her memories and powers to protect people from a greater threat (maybe, the unknown god), resulted in the current form. I like the idea of this Star keeper theory, but I think she’s more likely to be the lost Time god
That is quite similar to the role Fu Hua plays in the Honkai universe. A protector, guide and mentor to civilisations throughout history, sacrificing her memories to continue her mission.
The memories as a person is also in sync with the concept of Elysian Realm.
Flame chasers' memories, ambitions and emotions captured at a point in time to guide the current generation through the nature of Honkai. We also gain their memories and Strengths(Signets) to understand the Chasers even more
And much like Guoba, her brain juice was greatly diminished as a result
This also works with Nahida's story
Why are you giving spoilers about Nahida's story?
kazuha said something along the lines of "not only do you two give off the fragrance of the earth and wind, but also that of the stars."
Earth and wind and stars, he is referring to traveller not paimon I think because when we meet kazuha we have the power of anemo and geo and we are world traveller also
Makes one wonder, what do stars smell like? and how does Kazuha know that?
I love the fact that Paimon speaks fit the traveler because they aren't mastering the language(s?) of Teyvat too well
Also, Razor and Kazuha : "you smell like stars"
Okay, this is way too epic
Even if you are wrong, everything seems fine and logical the way you said it. Everything is interconnected and it's epic
Thanks for this awesome video !
when did razor said that?
@@dionysiusprime7418 I'm not sure, but it should be in his profile
😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲 ok THIS THEORY IS TRUE AF THEN 😂
@@dionysiusprime7418 during his teapot voice lines; saying we smell like safety, stars and windwheel asters i think
That theory of our party members being memories and us shapeshifting into them and calling down their constellations to have more access to their powers is canon to me now and nobody can convince me otherwise.
Like wow. Just wow. I was so skeptical at the beginning of the video but it just makes so much sense (seriously MiHoYo should hire you to write for them haha)
Agree . Wow , just wow
Dunno if you like Signora or not...but based on this theory she could become playable as well without creating any storytelling problems.
I mean it would make sense being able to have a character in ur party and also stand next to them if they are in ur world or pot
Isn't this basically like Ben-10 or something. We select a character by the press of a button and then transform into them.
@@Dravis1995 I don't think Signora has a vision.
Also, the whole thing about transforming back into the traveler during missions, even if they aren't in your party. That thing about characters being the traveler shape-shifting could actually be a good explanation.
Also, I never understood why would the traveller had to fish paimon of off the water when she flies (unless she was clumsy enough to fall while doing something), and it would make sense if she had been sent or descended into a lake so we notice her and rescue her.
I just had a thought. What if when Visions are granted, a person's memories (related to the formation of their Will) are removed from them and inscribed into the stars; their Vision is essentially a conduit to harnessing the power of their Constellation. That would explain why stripping someone of their Vision not only removes their Will, but even the memories of their lives. (perhaps much of the storage of their memories is shifted to their Constellation?). Then, the Traveler is simply able to channel their memories and powers via the very same Constellations. Would also explain why there are always new dialogue lines related to ongoing events, as the Constellation is always up-to-date with that person's memories.
Oooh i love the theory of the traveller just calling upon memories to fight as different characters- but it also makes it sadder cus it means they are truly extremely alone🙁
they have Paimon... I guess
Well if they are actually a star then communicating with memories via stars should be good right? I hope, poor traveler. At least they have Paimon.
Pretty sure it was already canonically established that he travels only with Paimon. The other characters have stuff to do and can’t really spend their time travelling
@@arcturus4762 what bout bennet tho :v
I mean, in addition to Paimon, this particular arc had the Traveler becoming friends with Ayaka, Touma, Yoimiya, Teppei, his own rebel squad, and Ei. I'm not sure how Sayu and Yae Miko fall on that spectrum.
Oh, and also the gourmets, Xavier, the Nameless samurai, and a certain not-ghost.
This makes way too much sense. You may end up having some minor details off but I think this is very much the right track. Really like the part about our party being star's memories to explain how we have them all with us at will. Which would further explain why there's not really any mention of us doing things with them outside of main story events/acting like time has passed since we've last seen them.
I personally just see it as a gameplay thing, doesn't necessarily have lore implications. But interesting to think about.
Some of the statements in the beginning about the traveler's body kinda gets debunked with Albedo's quest where his tests pretty much prove the traveler's body is flesh and blood like anyone else, and his elemental powers flow like anyone else's. Perhaps they were once human, maybe even living in Khaenri'ah, then managed to be reborn. That would explain why their powers are simply "memories".
Yes, but what about the stuff at the bottom of the test vile at the end of the quest?
at the end, albedo's hinting that he lied to paimon and traveller
@@subeet1363 ayo… really??
Albedo hid the test results from the Traveler and after the Traveler left, he hinted at the Traveler's body being similar to his own.
In other words, their body is not normal, be it a chalk/artificial body or something similar.
@@kyoroth8580 i personally think that 'albedo' was gold's attempt to copy aether's qualities....they're way too much similar...same design...same marks...
I don't think the Traveler is literally physically shapeshifting as much as it's a metaphor of us summoning characters powers from their stars. Whenever we fight in front of other characters they react as if we fought by ourselves in the Traveler form and whenever there is cutscene of us fighting it always shows the Traveler form as well. Otherwise I really love this theory, it ties in very neatly into the whole "memory" theme.
I've recently considering actually that Paimon is essentially a sentient vision, containing the traveller's original powers that were sealed by the UG and that our growing bond with her is what's slowly allowing our powers to return to us - something that is explicitly stated to be happening as the story goes on.
Yeah, I think that paimon will end up being our own sword that we lost when trying to escape the UG. We see the siblings fight with their special swords, but in Teyvat the traveler uses a blunt sword but the other one doesn't? Where did the other sword go?
Albedo suggested in his quest that paimon could be some sort of vision for the traveler
Just personal thoughts.
From what i remember, the twin(s) woke up in a meteorite so the their method of transportation is probably though meteorites which appear as shooting stars to planets.
During the kazubro quest(and during a few others) we were asked to show off our skills by fighting enemies, I think people would be quick to notice if the traveler started to shapeshift into other people during combat xD.
Kazuha: show me your strength
Traveller: ok *transforms into beidou*
Kazuha: :o
addendum: paimon being a god of something is a theory i love to see/hear about, just a matter of which one/what. My personal headcanon is that paimon was the previous sustainer of heavenly principles but was overthrown by the unknown god. She probably has a full normal human sized body but losing her place in the godly realms caused her size to miniaturize to stay alive, and along with said miniaturization she lost access so most/some of her memories, but kept access to her 'bargain' shop(if bargain shop is not just a game mechanic).
i think celestia is Teyvat's gate, just like wat we all see in the game login screen. So when the travelers first spawned, they spawned in celestia and then they transform into a falling star to "glide" from celestia to the land
It would make sense if we aren't actually transforming, we are just using their memories and powers. The visual effect of looking like a different character is just in the Traveler's mind, because they need to synchronize with the memories involved.
Your theory about Paimon as the Starkeeper is very interesting. I thought of Paimon as meant to be a sort of parallel to Dainsleif like the Abyss Twin is to the Traveler. Both Paimon and Dainsleif have star motifs, including the infamous galaxy cape in their character design. Both are travelling companions of the twins. With Dainsleif as the Twilight Sword and Paimon saying she's the "God of Protection," both companions have a sort of role of protecting the twins. The only difference is that Dainsleif failed to protect the Twin, which is why the join the Abyss Order. Hence the line "show me you are worthier than I to rescue her" and him being a sort of knight from his title as the Twilight Sword. On the other hand, Paimon is always there to support the Traveler when things went badly like at the end of the We Will Be Reunited quest and at the beginning of Inazuma's prologue where Paimon encourages the Traveler to keep going. With that, I thought Paimon is meant to protect the Traveler from losing their sense of self and to not commit the same mistake their twin did.
I might be going a tad bit overboard with this speculation but I thought it's something interesting. But I do think your theory about Paimon as the Starkeeper and the Twins being stars makes a whole lot more sense.
The idea of Paimon succumbing to "erosion" sounds pretty in line with the theme they keep bringing up throughout the story in regards to the archons/gods. Sounds like a potential for tragedy to occur for the Traveler and Paimon dynamic.
That... makes too much sense, and another thing that proves this theory right, in Inazuma's first story quest, when we are showing archery skills to the soldiers we need to use a bow character to destroy the dummies, but when we finish the trial and go talk to the npc, they say that the TRAVELER skills with the bow is good, which is really weird, unless if this theory is actually right, the traveler may get the ability to use a bow by shapeshifitting into a bow-user
Then it would mean that the traveler/star can manipulate what human see them. Or, the game mechanics in fact "visualize" the Traveler's copying other ability while their human form remains. You see Yoimiya using bow when you play but in reality it's the Traveler who using Yoimiya's powers.
Which mean…Oh god, we are broken as hell with the gaunyu
Not only that, but when the traveler fights the Raiden Shogun, they literally used the power of other peoples constellations!!
That actually makes a lot of sense and explains why well in the serenit teapot we can only place characters we have obtained and there’s never a point where the character in the teapot technically leave kind of making them perhaps memories placed in the teapot
it actually make it kinda sad
they don't have traveling companions only cherished memories
"but were are those who share the memories ?"
@@quietguyjosh4643 in your teapot
Or perhaps... It's just a gameplay element and nothing else
leaks:
that reminds me, there was a leak of paimon’s face and her side profile a while ago, presumably so that she could be a teapot companion. i’m not sure if that’s the case, but if it is, i’m definitely putting her in there lol
But they already mentioned that there are people actually visiting our Teapot, I am doubtful every gameplay mechanic can be tied to this theory.
i actually think there's more of a missed connection between paimon and the seelie, to be honest. her little quirks of being the traveler's personal guide, her teaching them how to read and speak the local language(s), and her obsession with tracking down treasure fit the bill pretty dead on, if we pay attention to the way they function in-game. there's also those two treasure-hunting seelie events from 1.2 and 2.0, as well as the tooltip that states that the ancient race of seelie were once powerful, and would guide humanity, presumably to riches,glory, and/or knowledge (since we also do find a fair number of talent books inside of treasure chests).
if you also look at her silhouette from a distance, she does bear an uncanny resemblance to the anemo seelie. the tufts of hair on the side of her head, her cape, and her diminutive blob-shaped figure match up with the features of the seelie in my eyes. and knowing mhy with their meticulous character design, that's probably not an accident.
that said, paimon could be a lost god like havra, a god of the seelie race that still remained after the end of the archon war 2000 years ago, but somehow wound up either sealed or lost in a deep slumber in a body of water before being fished up by the traveler. as for how she knows about the archon war and how teyvat used to be, it's very likely that however she wound up in the water, it happened before the cataclysm 500 years before the start of our story in Genshin, which would explain why she didn't know about ei, the archons outside of venti and zhongli, or khaenri'ah.
i dunno, these are just my midnight musings, please do take them as you will
I love this theory, and it makes a lot of sense to me. But the thought of all the voice lines and team interactions not being from the character themselves hurts my heart a bit 🥲
The Traveler can still interact with other characters in their teapot though.
There are a lot of "event" quests that should be part of the main story like Unreconciled Stars.
Definitely the most important event. Thanks to that, many theories had theirs solid thesis.
community will bark about event with resin again i guess lmai
lmao*
I'm of the assumption that Paimon is potentially 1 of 3 things:
*A.)* The Unknown God, who may or may not be one of the Three Moon Sisters. Not much to go on with this one aside from Paimon's physical appearance implying at least some level of connection to Celestia. Also, the Blessing of the Welkin Moon icon, which I take to be a representation of one of the Moon Sisters, looks a lot like Paimon.
*B.)* The God of Time mentioned in the sundial carvings, albeit in a potentially depowered form. This mainly due to Paimon seemingly possessing some degree of control over time via the Paimon menu, which pauses the game and can also be used to adjust the current time.
*C.)* The last living Seelie, assuming the rest are just spirits. The Seelie once held immense wisdom and used it to guide humanity. Paimon has immense knowledge of the world, likely much more than she typically lets on, and uses it to guide the Traveler.
I literally just had the same thoughts before I scrolled down and saw your post lmao
The "Last Living Seelie" seems very likely for Paimon
That’s so intriguing! So, that also makes sense when our character or projection faints when defeated. They fade with no loss of blood… and at the same time this might also just be a fantastical design choice. But i thought it was also worth thinking about too. 😅✨
Genshin definitely seems to be following the From Software school of inserting important lore into items, gameplay mechanics, and environment. I don't think any of the ideas you've touched upon are coincidences. Also huge parallels with the base mythology found in ASOIAF wrt to 'Lucifer means Lightbringer' and Dainsleif's eventual fate. I think the Traveler's purification is still the most mysterious thing to me out of everything I've seen in game. It almost seems like their power is the polar opposite of what the 'Honkai' energy is in the Mihoyo universe. Maybe when Paimon is at a point of no return and fading away, we'll be able to revive her using the same ability.
'Placing the stars' in order to arrange nature and fate in a certain way is also prominent in both Vedic and Greek mythology, and one interesting reference is Astraeus, who is associated with birthing both 'stars' and 'winds' including the dawn-bringer(lightbringer) Phosphorus as well as its twin, the evening star Hesperus. He also birthed Phainon (Saturn) and since there are quite a few in-game tidbits connecting clocks, time, and seasons to Paimon, I think she could be the starkeeper God in charge of time (ie. when is a star in effect, when does it die etc.)
Thanks for all your work, I think you should be the official "Lorekeeper" of the community!
Oh my god the theory about traveler being all the characters at once gave me goosebumps. It makes so much sense
I thought it was already Canon that the travelers and Paimons pov and we just manipulate all of the characters energy. So this is wildy fascinating to me!
Yes finally a paimon analysis. I don't think I've seen any of these on UA-cam so it's great to have someone talk about the mystery of the floating child.
Here’s one of my theories if you’d like to hear! Paimon was a god on celestia, (maybe the god of stars, of guides or maybe even food LOL) for a particular reason until perhaps she broke a divine rule or betrayed the Unknown God. So, her memories of her past were stolen and she was cast down from celestia, where she fell from the sky left to drown. That is… until we fished her out of the ocean. When we reach celestia again, she may regain her full power and form and even become playable..?? After the Unknown God is defeated, there will be no ruler on celestia, so to reforge and bring balance to Teyvat, Paimon takes the helm and becomes the new ruler of Celestia, bidding us farewell on our travel with our sibling as we leave the world.
@@mavisseafoam ooh that’s actually cool
Dude literally look it up, there are a lotta paimon theory videos
My personal theory is that Paimon is a living Seelie. From what is written about them in lore is that the Seelies had once beautiful forms, immense wisdom and guided mankind before they were wipeout (likely by Celestia).
And, here are things I found weird about Paimon and things that could support my theory.
Paimon somehow knows thing early in the game like culture, food and location before we learn of it. Also she guides the traveler.
Here's mine hehe.. paimon is a god of stars and time when we change the time she uses the stars and time to change it . When we wish she gathers energy to regain their memories , once it enough she can unlock their entire memories. Thus the friendship level more you keep using them , the more memories she can unlock. Artifacts are literally a memories of a person, we are using those memories to strengthen ours.... Like imagine constellation is a fate yes fate, when the star falls the fate crumbles . This way you can change your fate and thus the heavenly principals, A heavenly Principle to stop the humans from changing their fate. And the 3 gods to make sure every thing goes smoothly. Soo we know that celestia is a prison like, so when the humans change their fate they are brought to celestia to teach them a lesson . But when the one of the 3 gods fell and a star escaped wait waittt what IF IFFF traveler is like a memory! Memory of a human, fate of a human???!! How did you like it?
I'm very sure that the Paimon part is in the right direction, and the only reason I don't say spot-on is simply because of the unknowns. I always found the name "Paimon's bargains" really weirdly specific, she definitely has something to do with stars and wishes. I'm also very convinced that the twins are indeed stars in some capacity. Like maybe all stars possess some sort of memory and spirit, and the twins are particular stars that are able to project mortal forms to wander the universe or some sort of that kind of lore.
Shapeshifting travelers part, I'm not a big fan of it but not because I find it whacky and implausible, but rather simply because it would be kinda awkward and creepy for the characters that get copied. Like imagine you met this blonde fellah and one day you see them fighting far away and suddenly they transform into you, using the exact same powers you have instead of the ones you saw them use before. XD But I do have something that backs up the theory: Paimon finds the traveler's ability to summon and unsummon their weapon curious, which would imply they're the only person she knows has that power, but when you're using the characters all of them are able to make their weapons disappear just like the traveler. So maybe the playable characters in our party really are extensions of the traveler.
I was like no way when you first explained your theories then you actually started to make sense,anyways i think there is a correlation to game mechanics and lore
1.Paimon disappearing and reappearing has been mentioned many times
2.The weapon dissapearing after use has been shown in story quests
So they're probably sentient stars, it reminds me of Azdaha, a sentient rock Morax give a body to, maybe someone did the same to the twins? in the travelers' character cards, there is a certain K.K who tells the twins “your motherland was doomed; palaces and cities falls into dust. you should have been the person who owned and embraced the world. but the last descendants of the extinct nation, please don’t grieve over these past moment ... as long as your honorable purity and compassion remains unchange, there will still be best partners to travel with you across the new world. the place, the front, the presence, the future, is the world that all belongs to you ”(chinese translantion because the game is chinese) maybe this K.K is the one who gave a body to the twins as Morax did with azdaha (also all that said in their charatere card indicates that their homeland has been destroyed and that's why they travels, I think it's this KK who sent them on their journey (sorry for my bad english)
:0 this is such a good theory!
@@probablyemi thank u!
What's K.K.?
@@girishkumarpeddi6266 the initials of the name of someone who told the twins everything I wrote in " " in my comment. this is someone the twins must have met in another world, in fact we don't know anything about them
The moment I saw K.K. my mind went to Kiana Kaslana from hi3
Yes! I was waiting for someone to make this video! The story always implied that the MC is clearly not human, and it is also clearly shown that none of the people in our party were actually travelling with us (unless it's during a quest), and Paimon + Wishes are pretty sus (unless you just accept it as part of a gatcha mechanic), but this is the first video I've found that put all the elements together in a reasonable way... for a conspiracy video at least. :) Zhongli did say that we can keep their memories - and in a way, as part of our team, the memories of each character will be kept forever, even if they are later "killed" in the plot. Although I do not hope it on any of the characters, I am quite curious to see what would happen once they are killed in the storyline. We will probably still have them in our teams, but will they be aware of their death? Will we have new voice lines and character stories?
BTW, the theory that we have never been out of Teyvat and only saw the rise of fall of civilizations make me shiver. That implies a huge number of very different civilizations, all disappearing one after the other, perhaps due to Celestia...
Once you have enough information, can you make a theory on ascension (in general and concerning the MC)?
In the honkai crossover, you obtained keqing by praying to a statue of the seven, little interesting but it might not really matter.
they better not pull a honkai on us and actually kill off charas, im not ready for that 😭
I wouldn't say that the story "implies" the traveler is not human, so much as states it outright. There was a whole questline in 1.2 with Albedo experimenting on us to try to figure out what we are that lets us use elements without a vision. He even proposes that we're closer to slimes than regular Teyvat people, due to this shared elemental affinity.
In the fishing event, Paimon says that "Is it another Paimon?" in one of her voicelines
When you mentioned the thing about there being 3 star keepers (one creates, one arranges and one archive -essentially ending age of a star) my mind automatically went to the Three Fates in Greek Mythology. The Three Fates were named Lachesis, Clotho and Atropos. They were the people who would create and determine one’s fate. Clotho (the spinner) spins the thread of life, Lachesis (the alloter) measures how long the thread of life is going to be and what happened in it and Atropos (the inflexible) which determines the ending the thread of life/fate by essentially just cutting the thread.
It could be like that :)
What if the sustainer steals memories from outside teyvat to make the "stars." Aether and Lumine came of their own accord, so she didn't notice 2 extra stars getting in.
The idea of the twins being a twin form of Lucifer makes so much sense. I was thinking that Celestia is essentially heaven, and people want to ascend there to become gods. But there’s been basic hints about Celestia being evil (Venti’s version of the dungeon image). The abyss is kind of like hell?? If you think about it, Celestia (heaven) punished Khanria (rip spelling) which could be a form of the garden of eden??) for being too advanced, making them “fall” like having Lucifer “fall” from heaven for asking too many questions. The fact that demons are fallen angels from heaven, and the people of Khanria got transformed into monsters (abyss mages etc), adds to the theory. Lumine (or the other twin) is essentially ruling hell, aka the Abyss. The journey through Teyvat can therefore be the traveler learning that Celestia is evil, or at least not good, and making the choice whether to support them and the gods, or not.
Actually Lucifer has a sister, the first witch i think she is, so maybe the traveler we choose is the sister and the evil one is Lucifer
@@Nobody-sf4cv He does?? I haven’t heard that before
@@Nobody-sf4cv I thought Lilith was God first draft of a woman
oh wait I thought the twins represented the greek god of Gemini, dioscuri
I once joked with my friends that the traveler is a shapeshifting, identity thieving monster. Now I found an Ashikai video to back that up 😭
It was already hinted that the traveler is a star not only in the opening scene. During a teleport we get these screens "advices" and one of them say, that the traveler will always have a place in Tevarts stars/sky.
Also Paimon hinted she kind of have a memory loss or amnesia. In Zhonglis 2 story quest, when we talked to human Azdaha. She said in one point, that she know how it is not to remember something or feeling something familiar and doesn't know what it is.
That made me so sus when I did zhongli story quest. Even though paimon was under water, she still knows what gonig on in Tervat, like where do you know that? Or the beach where we found her. In the background is the island, which is not recoded in the map. So sus.
Another extension. I found genshin death animation rather peculiar. It's like the it body just disappear. Nothing left. It's like the body they have in teyvat is a fake, an avatar. That got me thinking. Is teyvat a matrix, and the stars are pods? I'm not good at theorizing so anyone wanna look into that?
I think you can still follow Ashikai's theory on that. The characters are simply memories formed by stardust. Thing is, NPCs die like normal people. They even get buried. Chances are, most of the characters, well, the actual ones and not the traveler shapeshifting, are also very capable of dying the same way. Additionally, we can see NPCs being directly blood-related to the other characters. It could mean that, they too, are like the NPCs - and that they can die. Physically.
The exception is probably the main character. You could make a case for the hilichurls and treasure-hoarders dying and turning into dust, but they drop items after dying, meaning, they are probably very real. The only time they ever not drop anything is when you're in a domain.
Maybe, just maybe, we can also make a case for the spawned creatures in the domain. They're probably memories or stardust too, somehow manifesting inside this place, much like the traveler.
i swear you are a hidden gem. I havent got enough time to play 2.1 storyline yet, so im very happy that ill be able to settle down and binge watch these soon! Thanks a lot ash.
Imagine having and knowing all the memories from all the traveler encounters. He would know their dirty little secrets.
Jokes aside though, no wonder the traveler has an easy time connecting and bonding with every character he/she met.
Sounds very interesting, the wings of Descension does say that we, the Traveler (and the Abyss twin), have seen the birth and death of stars which could mean that while they were still stars they saw nearby stars burnout
I’m definitely with you that that there is some kind of link between the Travellers , Paimon, and the stars, but I’m not sold yet on it being quite as literal as you theorise. Not sure exactly what it is yet but there is definitely something!
There are references all over the game to how the traveller is associated with the stars. I think that Kazuha has some interesting dialogue on it actually but I can’t remember exactly what he says. Even looking at Paimons character design the pattern on her cape looks a lot like a starry sky to me.
Also just wanted to say I really liked the connections you made with Lucifer and the morning star, that’s not something I’ve thought of or heard anyone else mention.
Edit: Found it, when you’re on board Beidou’s ship he says:
“You two give off not only the essence of wind and earth, but also of… yes… the stars…”
Yeaaa!! And Kazoos quote also reminds me of one of Albedo’s voicelines where he states that you (the traveller) carry the aura of the stars.
Ah, our favorite guide/emergency food/fish/toy/pet/tiny customer!
The twins have generally angelic designs (especially Lumine), and having 6 wings is a trait pretty much exclusive to angels. With that in mind, I have seen _way_ too many interpretations of angels as literal stars (either just constellations, or _literally birthing a new sun)_ for me to not notice the twins being portrayed themselves as shooting stars. I've also seen the interpretation of the different characters just being the traveller channeling their powers and memories.
Probably the most damning evidence for Paimon doing pretty much everything would be the pause menu. Not anything _in_ the menu, just _the menu itself._ It's not actually called the "pause menu" at all. It's literally named the "Paimon menu."
Your voice is amazing, really easy listening and made easy to fallow. Like listening to a kindergarten teacher telling a story.
I feel overwhelmed by the theories you have. In a good way.
To think that Mihoyo would go that amount of detail... is hard to believe, but would be amazing.
Going to watch all your videos, hope to see new content soon.
This can be explained/explored after we finally reunited(again) with our siblings, imagine a story after we know everything about Teyvat, only to have Paimon remember she needs to do something about her past which of course where we stepped in to help her cause she has done so much for us, this story can take in so many new places after teyvat like maybe in space(about the star and the existence of Celestia) or even another dimension explaining the world beyond Teyvat where the traveller came from
My reaction to every one of your theories is the same. Initially I have a huge doubt, then I slowly fall into your web of madness just in time for MiHoYo to confirm your madness as canon.
THANK YOU!! I have been thinking about the traveler in particular for months by now! I just couldn't believe that such busy people such as Jean, Ganyu, Kokomi, and *basically everyone else with their own lives* are able to join the traveler in adventures for DAYS without even doing anything meaningful, and I have always found it weird how you could only control 1 person at a time. And ALSO, every time you fight while being witnessed by other NPCs or characters, and you use your obtained characters, they credit YOU, the traveler, regardless (e.g. Signora fight, Childe fight, fight with shogunate in the archon quest, etc.) which also made me think maybe he's not really shapeshifting per se, him switching to the characters are just a visual representation for US, the player, not what REALLY happens in the game.
Your theory about how the traveler "unlocks more of the characters' potential as they gain more constellations" totally makes sense, since there are some character abilities that we have not been able to use, even after unlocking them as a playable character (Diluc's pyro interrogation thing, for example).
But now you got me thinking. IF the characters you play as really is just the traveler in another form, then how is the traveler able to use their elemental abilities? We haven't touched a Statue of the Seven in Natlan, but we can use pyro characters just fine. Does that mean that the traveler actually has the ability to control ALL elements already? Note how every NPC so far is astonished by the traveler's ability to use the ELEMENTS without a vision, not just one specific element (...I think...? Can someone back me up on this please). Even the Raiden Shogun uses "elemental energy" instead of electro in particular in her first encounter with the traveler. AND in the Childe fight we see the traveler using both his/her anemo and geo abilities. MAYBE the reason we don't have access to those elements with the base traveler is because he/she and Paimon hasn't come up with their OWN way to use the elements (AND coincidentally the traveler's abilities are always quite with the current archon's abilities, and the way that you obtain elemental abilities of a particular region is from resonating with that region's Statue of the Seven... hmm...)
Anyways, really good video!! I totally loved all the ideas. You never disappoint! Keep up the good work!!
Ei’s voiceline on 【 Good Night 】 says “Do you wish to know the truth about the shooting stars at night? Haha, they are but fleeting moments of luminosity. *Uh, you used to be one of them?* Are you a tengu warrior?”
So yes. The travelers are stars. It’s not a perhaps anymore 😂
Wow that actually makes a lot of sense considering many things in genshin, like constellations and weekly domains have the term "Memories" attached to them, and also how we can indefinitely keep a companion in the serenitea pot without interfering with their use in the party, but only the ones we have as we don't have the "memories" of the ones we don't have
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So ever since Genshin started I have been very intrested in this game's lore. The world and the ancient stractures around the world always seemed fascinating to me. The details aswell that are given to us through artifacts, books, mats, items and even weapons and characters is just so intriging. Also as a dude that doesn't even have enough money to upgrade from his 7 year old computer, being able to expirience a triple AAA gaming expirience, just through my phone is an amazing feeling. Anyway to get in the meat and the potatoes of my analysis/ theories, I would like to start with how this world might actually be sturctured, since it has been the number 1 thing that the community has been speculating on from the very first event. (Also I am going to be using some of your material aswell Ashikai from your previous videos in order to build my speculation, I hope that you might like what I've come up with if you ever actually read this).
My first question to you guys is "do you believe in flat earth?" 'cause most likely this is what teyvat is, my idea is that it is most likely a snowglobe like structure that this world resides inside almost like a world ship if you heard of them. They are Structures that are able to house inside huge expasions that in size can rival a planet. This theory though is something that most people might already be preety familiar with, since it has been quite popular in many theorist circles. I would like though to suggest a bit extra to it.(Disclaimer I do not know if someone has already thought of this. If this is already a popular theory and I just don't know, then I am just a dumb dumb)
So if Teyvat is a globe like structure with teyvat just suspended in the middle and what we see is the top part of the snowglobe, that being the Teyvat that we are slowly exploring from update to update, then what about the bottom part of the snowglobe? Shouldn't there also exist something down there, is it just crust and nothing else. Not necessarily. What if the bottom part of the snowglobe is a reverse world? This popped into my mind mostly 'cause of Ashikai's video about domains and the stone tablets inside that are supposed to act as Genshin's version of the emerald tablet which is supposed to represent the world. The most popular phrase from the tablet is "as above, so below" wouldn't it then be more logical that there is a whole reverse world just below Teyvat, what if that reverse world was called Khaenri'ah or at the very least Khaenri'ah acted as that sides capital. Just think about it were is the best place to avoid the gods gaze and be able to thrive with out there being danger from them, were else than on the literal reverse side of Teyvat. The theory doesn't stop there though, since the gods of Celestia are called as all knowning and powerfull. I don't think they would be stupid enough to let such a place abandoned, wouldn't it be reasonable to set up forces there to guard that reverse side of the world, like how they set up 7 archons on Teyvat.
In Ashikai's video about domains she also also talks about the Archons and she expertly points out that in Gnosticism there are canonically 7 archons, but they were also 5 rebelious archons. Archons that defied the laws set up by god. So what if these 5 archons were originally stationed there by celestia, but slowly by being exposed to the reverse side of Teyvat a side that has as it sky the abyss itself they learned about the true nature of the world and it drove them to rebel against Celestia and maybe even relenquising there titles as gods. Also remember that, since we talk about this theoretical reverse side of Teyvat the sky there is most likely looking at the very abyss itself so our idea of desending to the abyss from that places perspective is reversed and we are ascending to the Abyss. The idea of ascending into the abyss is also supported by the fact that when we enter the abyss challenge in game we are ascending stairs not descending them.
Also if you look up into the sky especially on floor 9 and above you see something intresting. You see the abyss it's self and the moon. The moon is a very intresting object to exist there, which means 2 things most likely either this is were the moon goes during Teyvat's day time which supports the idea even further that Teyvat has a reverse side, essentially a whole different you could say Teyvat that we could possibly one day come to explore. Alternatively which is even more intresting, that also doesn't debunk the reverse world theory, that this is the second moon that we've been searching for this whole time. Think about it supposedly there were 3 moons one of them was destroyed, so what happened to the other one? What if the three moon goddesses fought with each other? More specifically 2 of the 3 fought and the third was trying to stop them and died in the process of trying so. If that is the case then it wouldn't be a strech to assume maybe that one of the 2 that started the fight wanted too retreat away to somewhere, where she could be left alone to recuperate. That somewhere might very well be the abyss meaning that the moon we see in the abyss is the second moon and who knows Celestia might very well be the remnants of the 3rd moon, appropriated by the gods to make Celestia the home of the gods it would be somewhat fitting to do so aswell. The gods in Celestia seems a bit capricious to me would it be a strech to assume that once the lets say old triarchy fell that they would use that opportunity to appropriate power and status for them selfs while also starting considering there faction as the legitimate next rulers by using the symbols and status of the previous gods to establish there rule and legitimize there dominance.
Isn't it weird how Teyvat seems to have had like very much so gone through some religious changes. I say this because the people seem to very much so know about the 3 goddesses and they seem to have been reviered to as much of an extent as the gods of Celestia and the archons in the past. It seems though that there is this feeling of the 3 godesses being something of the past, something that everyone used to considered something to be revered, but now in there place they worship the gods in Celestia and the archons. Now I want to adress the welkin moon. I believe the welkin moon is the representation of the dead moon goddess, almost like a way to pay respect to the fallen goddess, also the name welkin means "something above the gods and the stars" this I think references the fact that now the dead goddess's soul is in plane that is even above the stars(maybe super heaven lol?). I think this is why we get primos from it, you know since primos look so very much so like stars in the night sky.
Returning back to the idea of the reverse side of Teyvat let's call it "Khaenri'ah" in quotes. With all this speculations it makes very much sence, if we assume that all the domains are made by the kingdom of Khaenri'ah, of why the domains are adorned with so many symbols about the moons. Khaenri'ah revered not the gods of Celestia but the goddesses, maybe they viewed the gods of Celestia as fake and so they rebelled by making a nation with out gods, with out Celestia's gods. The 5 archons that were originally placed to guard "Khaenri'ah" rebelled against Celestia 'cause they agreed with the kingdom's ideals and beliefs and that is why they are also represented in the domains as the 5 circles above the trees as Ashikai suggested in her video, because they are considered as allies not as enemies. Why represent your very enemies as golden crown-like halos above one of your cultures most reviered places the leyline trees if they weren't your allies?
Continuing on I believe the archon wars Celestia trying to find beings, yes beings not just gods, that had the most affinity with the prevelant 7 elemental energies that exist in Teyvat and they did it by giving to there 7 most promising canditates what we know now as archons the Gnosis. Most likely there existed many diferent powerfull beings that had the potential to handle the Gnosis, so I speculate that what Celestia did is a survival of the fitest experiment they gave there 7 most promising canditates the Gnosis and then said to all the beings in teyvat that could rival there 7 candidates that if you beat them you can have there power. So the wars begun with the 7 canditates made to prove there worth through not only defending there Gnosis, but also be made responsible to protect and nurture humans, for humans were most likely to be used as soldiers for war against Khaenri'ah, that is also why visions exist I think. Visions essentially could just be a bi-product of creating the Gnosis. Alternatively Visions could have already existed in a primitive form and Celestia got inspired by them to then create the Gnosis and maybe even there own version of Visions.
Returning to what we talked previously during the wars some of there original canditates actually fell, example Decarabian at the rebellion in old mondstat and this is how Venti came to be in possesion of the anemo gnosis. Also I theorize that they were able to create the Gnosis by doing experiments on gods or powerfull beings that could handle the elemental energies that were needed to create the Gnosis. I think that the Hypostasis are those beings that were experimented on in order to create the Gnosis, since hypostasis means (distiled and perfectly stable pure essence in greek). That is why the Hypostasis have names they are the names of the beings that were experimented on to create them. That is also why in one of the first events in genshin the hypostatic symphony we had hypostasis with different names they were other beings that were experimented upon aswell. So after many tries and experiments with hypostasis what they came up with were Gnosis, an object that could be considered the very reprasantation of an element it's self.
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That is also why Venti calls Visions primitive they most likely are simplified forms of the Gnosis. If mihoyo wanted to be a bit smart, then the gods saw how humans and Khaenri'ah were harnesing elemental powers through the use maybe of leynlines, layline branches or those primitive Visions before Visions you could say and they became afraid that they would be attacked. So they started to develop there own elemental you could say devices(Gnosis/Visions) to defend them selfs in chance of war. Then put the experimentations and the archon wars that we talked about previously it in this hypothetical timeline and there you have it. I think though that the most likely scenario is Celestia took over the rule from the 3 goddesses after they were out of the picture, started experimenting with hypostasis, made the gnosis, started the archon wars the people became angry retreated to the reverse side of teyvat that most likely was more known back then that it existed and in which people and civilizations might have already been there. The Archons war conclude with the 7 archons, Celestia then learns about how advanced Khaenri'ah is starting to become they send 5 extra archons, maybe with some different type of gnosis elements that we do not know of just yet, those 5 rebel and allign there selfs with Khaenri'ah. Which would make sense in how Khaenri'ah was able not to get exteriminated by Celestia immediatly, since not only were they in a hard to reach place meaning the reverse side of Teyvat, but they also had allied them selfs with 5 x-archons that could possibly have some form of gnosis of there own. So Khaenri'ah was preety much set up to succeed.
Until ofcourse one of there most powerfull alchemists Gold going bananas and trying to create literal monsters and which most likely made there defence systems the field tillers go out of control and there actions resulting in the destruction of Khaenri'ah. We also know that even if that happened like 500 years ago for Teyvat time runs differently in the abyss, in some places it runs faster in some it runs slower, so it even could make sence on how could Kaeya be the actuall prince of Khaenri'ah. For him the destraction could have happened a week a ago when he was found by Diluc's dad, for the rest of the world though it has been 500 years since then. It could also explain maybe why we don't see the second moon in Teyvat's night sky, 'cause it is stuck on the reverse side of Teyvat were time passes differently depending on were you are there. We know that times passes differently there 'cause Childe said that he stayed 3 months in there learing to survive from Skirk which Childe was her student. When he was finally able to get back he learned that only 3 days have passed from when he got lost.
Ofcourse if someone might feel that this still doesn't explain what is the abyss and what is Teyvat as a place in general well, these can not be answered right now. We don't have enough info yet. These two things are also the big mysteries in Genshin Impact "What is the abyss?", "What the heck is Teyvat?". Also other questions like "What/Who is paimon?"(Maybe she is the remnants of the third moon goddess that got destroyed could explain a lot about her actually), "Who is the sustainer of heavenly principal?", "What about the god of time?", "What about the leyline trees?", "Who were the Dragonspine people?", "What is Dains motive?", "What is the deal with the travelr's brother/sister?", "What is the deal in general with the siblings?", "Are the Leylines dying?" etc. I have some theories about them I won't answer them here though 'cause this post is big enough as it is.
Thank you for reading. Also thanks to Ashikai for inspiring me to start thinking about it more and come to my own little theories and conclusions. That could be false, correct or slightly correct. If I am incorrect for most of the things I said then good it means that Mihoyo/ the communities theorists have passed my expectations. Thanks again for reading my big ass comment.
@@-Pulsar- i really really liked your theory, thank you for sharing it, i feel like i learnt a lot about teyvat!
Just finished reading this, holy hecc, what a great read! This is such a good theory.
@@rabenhell4782 Thank you for for liking it I aint a native english speaker so I was worried if I made this giant post legible enough for people to understand.
@@jonathanwilson5355 Thank you very much my friend it was something that kind of clicked in my head as I was watching Ashikai's video and I though damn I might be on to something and wanted to share. I hope it was legible enough to understand I aint a native english speaker.
I hope mihoyo shows atleast something of paimon's history soon because she is indeed the most mysterious character in this game . She feels so random
7:12-might depend on how memory manifestations really work, but doesn’t Albedo’s story quest kinda contradict this? given that (aside from the weird residue) MC was essentially a normal human.
9:16- the first fight is an actual fight, subsequent ones are memories iirc
13:45- honestly sounds like what one of the moon goddesses would do tbh. (but that’d be awkward since the moon goddesses were in love with the morning star or something, and Paimon is…)
15:05-could be Paimon, minor detail iirc the CN uses the same character for keeper as they do for the sustainer
Overall:
Twins being stars definitely has good points, but I do have a counterpoint for the companions=shapeshifting MC:
if this was the case, c6ing a character would mean MC has access to all their memories, no? and if so, we wouldn’t have characters like Zhongli or Venti withholding info from us
Paimon=starkeeper seems decent, but tbf so do many Paimon theories so it’s hard to say
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Some memories have deteorated due to Erosion tho or the copying cannot be perfect.
@@Dravis1995 not really a lot of erosion in the ley lines,
you’ve got memories from possibly before the Archon War
@@torivor3441 Who knows? Maybe we get to have the memories the characters allow us to. Their lines suggest they usually have a close relationship with us however they each reveal parts and bits of knowledge so maybe the copying isn't perfect and instead we copy a character and their ability however we don't know everything about them which is the reason we level up our friendship with them.
I think that's kinda what happens based on what we know. Or maybe the theory is partially correct and there are other things at play too.
you should be hired by mihoyo to write the continuation of the lore, since the 2.1 archon quest im kinda worried that the plot and lore wont be as good as all the theories that we have, and we may be disappointed
they prolly writing snezhnaya now xD
I just found something interesting, in the new Honkai Anniv livestream in one clip there's one of the staff writting the names of the MOTH characters with the Honkai power they manifest. One of em is Kalpas which have the power of Honkai beast Asura and above his name is K.K that have the power of Honkai beast Brahma.... Now on the Travelers character introduction card, they have this K.K code too.... So MAYBE the siblings are Mantises
That's the post on reddit right?
@@pipachu9550 I got it from a friends DM but maybe its from reddit yea
They are members 100%: When Elysia was describing the ranking to Raiden Mei (in Pristine Memory 4), two more members were mentioned. Their codenames were "Discipline" and "Stars".
Kevin Kaslana?
Its baffling to me that MC just brushed it off when Paimon said she a god.
Just discovered this video and your channel, really interesting and the points made are very logical and though lacking in some areas, is definately one of the best I've seen
This makes me think of Runeterra from LOL. In modern lore, the characters are "copies" of existing runeterra characters. Abilities, memories, etc. This would also mean that when a character adquires a vision in Teyvat, inmediately a constellation is created that copies their information. So, are the gods using this info to ascend themselves even more in an endless cycle?
And now I can't stop thinking about "The stars are a lie." If visions are being used as a way for the gods of Celestia to 'power' themselves, the meaning of that phrase changes from "Teyvat is a construct" to "Constellations are symbols of humankind's enslavement."
Wow, such and interesting theory. I originally thought that Paimon could have been a separated part of the unknown goddess (kinda like the good and bad parts of Azhdaha from the zhongli quest) that split off and got amnesia, but I think I like your idea more (also my idea took some stuff from honkai to make that conclusion so I feel it is less likely than yours...). Keep up the good work! :D
Reminds me of an Anime "To Your Eternity were the MC can mimic or transformed into a different person that he met during his travel and even utilize their skills in combat and stuff
That's a really well crafted and well arranged theory. You actually thought every aspect of this. That was really nice
Veeery nice. I had been considering if maybe Dains was the 'Keeper' who was fading, since he mentioned his fading memories.
Imo, most of the mechanics Paimon is responsible for, pausing time, storage, conjuring items are all things she is canonically doing in lore. But appears dependent on the traveller being alive and healthy to do those things. And where we are seems to matter, she doesn't follow us into domains, and.. we don't have access to anything from the start menu without her. Just what we had equipped when we entered. (pressing start offers you the option of failing and leaving the domain.. returned to paimon?)
(I did have kind of wonder if she was responsible for the four translucent cubes sculpture at the exit of a domain in order to return 4 co-op travellers to their individual realms or box up the companions stars) If we fled the domain through start... nothing would have been gained. But the new artifacts/memories we take out with us. is she somehow part of that?
She panic's when the traveler is in danger and appears genuinely worried and trying to help/save the traveller in cutscenes. But she also seems to assume control and keep us from exploring out of bounds, or the forced march Traveler out of Raiden's Palace in a very moribund and worried manner. She appears and feels like an ally, and a friend. But she also has an agenda and power over us. Very much seems to treat traveler as a companion servant she is very fond of all while she very much directs, points at what to investigate and tells us when to use abilities. childishly bargaining for food and services is definitely a part of her charm.
People joke Paimon is a fish. If I had to make my best guess. I think shes more like an anchor.
Yayyyyyyy I’m glad you’re making vids so frequently! I always look forward to seeing them haha. Just make sure you don’t burn yourself out and make sure to focus on life stuff too!!
OMGGGG YESS!!! I had a similar theory regarding wishes, so glad you made such a comprehensive video on the topic!!! Amazing stuff!
You are blowing me away with these videos! I already loved the lore of genshin but you are opening up so many doors with these, keep it up!!
kazuha and albedo have both implied paimon is very powerful and that, because of her, the traveler is very powerful- that SHE is the reason the traveler can manipulate the elements in the first place. kazuha also mentioned she carries the scent of stars.
(this is mentioned in both character's respective story quests!)
* *I wanna be a star from Twice Intensifies* *
This isn't entirely relevant to your theory, but in Venti's introductory voice line, he talks about how him and the traveller had previously adventured together, however, he's surprised that they don't remember. So that could lend some credence to the whole "physical manifestation of a star trying to Recover It's Memory" thing
since, apparently, the traveller has travelled through Teyvat (with Venti) at some point before the game, but has lost all memory of it ever happening
My interpretation was that the Traveler was mimicking the abilities of others. A character played was more like a visual interpretation of that. I know for sure that any of the characters in your party (except for the Traveler and Paimon) aren't really there, as I've interacted before as Razor (PC) with Razor (NPC) or as Kazuhua (PC) with Kazhua (NPC). You can even fight as Tartaglia against Tartaglia or as Raiden Shogun against Raiden Shogun. However, your interpretation is more fun than mine. I may make it my headcanon for now.
I know that this is a gacha game, things like are usual in them, but there is always a place for speculations and theories to spice the things up a little bit.
Well … if Paimon is a god that takes care of the stars, then maybe her amnesia is due to the “fake sky”? I don’t remember if this was someone’s theory or something confirmed in game, but I do remember hearing that the Fake Sky is a dome that is keeping the true sky and stars away from the world.
I'm glad someone else saw the Lucifer connection! I think it's clear that the twins aren't as human as the majority of the fanbase think they are. Kinda makes me wonder if the power they used in the intro is the element of Light..
I can see starkeeper paimon, and I’ve believed for some time that everything the traveler does is actually by themselves, even though it appears not to be, it’s just a quirk of the game wanting to be able to make money, unless it’s a trial character, who’s actually there in the moment. For something that can be easily brushed off as a conspiracy theory, this is pretty solid.
Ashikai your theories are fascinating and so entertaining to listen to and it makes me genuinely so happy to see your channel grow and succeed like this. ❤️
This is so well thought out!! I love the explanation of traveler being a star and using memories to shapeshift. That’s a great theory❤️❤️❤️ keep it up 👍🏻
I really liked this theory! Plentiful amount of evidence to back it up and sounds like an amazing plot line if it is true!!
i comment this on all of your videos but i love your videos so much and i just wanna say keep up the good work because your theories are so like backed up with evidence i’m always convinced your right 😭😭😭
ASHIKAI HOW DO YOU KEEP COMING UP WITH THIS?!?!? My brain can’t comprehend how yours works to connect theories like this.
From the start I've always thought we'd get an 8th element and it's what Paimon uses and the Travelers originally used. Same for Dainsleif. some sort of Space element.
Everytime I watch one of these theory videos I so want them to be true. You do a really great job of making things cohesive and understandable which makes the theory all the more believable. Love these vids
This theory and the theory i saw about paimon being the unpresent/forgoten god of time that the game mentions, seem the most cannon/close to cannon theories ive seen involving paimon
I've had the thought that the traveler is shapeshifting as well but, it's nice to finally hear it put together into a coherent form.
I seriously love theories on the Traveler and Paimon, sometimes people focus too much on other characters that they forgot the MC. I was hoping to get a more in-deep theory on the stars and memories bc you already had it floating around in your streams and I loved it!, and I believe it fully now, no one can tell me otherwise
You had me thinking. If we are taking form of the characters that we unlock instead of controlling the characters, does that mean that the actual characters are aware that we copy their bodies and abilities and even gave us permission to do so? Cuz there are times in the overworld plus the Serenitea Pot (when we could invite the characters to stay with us) where there would be two Zhongli's or two Ganyu's or two Yoimiya's. I wonder if they find us creepy for being able to shiftshape into them.
they probably see the traveler at all times, the "character" we see is the representation of who's memories and powers Traveler is using at the moment.
I actually believe you in this theory it makes sense and actually ties everything together and it has been referenced in the lore as well
The traveler shapeshifting would explain why in quests or events when certain characters are physically present, you can still play as them
11:33 iirc there's also a line from the traveler referencing how weapons literally just appear from/disappear into thin air, just like what it looks like in game
It also makes sense why the Keeper of Principles did not destroy them, likely they are a Antivirus/Defrag tool the maker created, and I like the idea of paimon being tossed in the lake by the Keeper for goofing around instead of doing her job.
It also raises the question of wheter void/darkness/abyss and light elements are truly elements outside of Teyvat or not.
Yo I loved this theory I’ve never thought about any of it like that giving it all to gameplay elements but that would be a great twist, also you earned a sub so feel good and stuff
Fascinating as always. Can't wait to go to Sumeru and get more sweet sweet lore. Love your vids! ❤️
Random thought i had after the recent event finally... God generally have different domains than their associated element. And we have an unknown "element" coming somewhere down the line with Dain. What if Paimon is the representative of the "Stars" Element as the god of Time? Story wise, the existence of a 7th Dendro element was always weird to me, since it had no real... thematic counterpart. And yes i know, metal and wood where elements in alchemy. But what if... Dendro stands for the planet? and is the counterpart of a celestial element "Stars"? It could very much be an abyss element for all we know.
And yes i have no bases for any of this than weird shower thoughts while listening to theories for hours.
But if those assumptions would be correct the Story might actually be about a fallen god Paimon, teaming up with basically their Dwalin/Azdaha, the traveler, to reclaim their powers?
This would coincide with the Travelers "Vision" symbol being a star shape. Since they are part of the Star Archons (?) affiliates....
I don't even know what to make of this anymore... i think there is a connection here, but i just barely cant grasp it. If i follow the train of thought it would make Paimon the... Archon of khaenri'ah? but we know they didn't have one... unless maybe the collective memory of everyone can also be subject to corrosion... which we have no clue whatsoever...
Args my head starts hurting xD
Anyway happy to discuss with anyone interested
If this is true that our MC actually shape shifts into others then what about befriending them? In game we gain friendship exp when we use other characters in the domains and random events. Anyways a great theory indeed
What if friendship levels occur because the traveler is becoming more knowledgeable of that person memories when he transforms into them.
Its really confusing.
I really love your narration, idk your voice just makes the whole thing more engaging hehe :D
I've been watching theory vids about genshin's lore the past few days and this is by far the most interesting one that I've watched. Really great work!!! I'm going to claim this as the truth for me now because of how well you structured everything in your theory 😌😌😭😭😩😩💖💖