High Altitude Techniques - Ta 152 H1 Vs Spitfire LF (Premium American)
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2018
- I want to show everyone that the Ta 152 H1, its a beast at high altitude, but I wanted to show everyone couple of maneuvers which I learnt off youtubers #Broman #adam514 . all i did was combined 2 moves that these you-tubers does in game. If anyones at high altitude against a turn fighter, this guide will show you how to deal with them :)
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Flying skill: 10000
Aiming skill: -10
Lol
Nice likes number
Proves that Ariel combat is more about the setup and approach than the short gunplay.
Well ping 250 does affect it
thats me
That level of gameplay is art.
You have the patience for the full sim mode.
thanks mate :)
sim in WT is more arcade than RB. He should try BoS or DCS. WT is shit in sim AF :D and iam pretty sure, he would be very good pilot in these sims after few hours spent in cockpit without markers.
World Citizen, are you kidding me, right? No offense, but he would have been dead like 3-4 times during this fight if he would have fought against a competent player.
@@honzavasicek Not sure what you mean by it being more arcade. Instructor turned off and no 3rd person view makes it less arcade than RB. Other than that there are really no other differences.
We need to talk about that other spitfire.....
hahah, i dove away, and prepared for another set up on that spitfire...had 2 team mates, they died...so I didn't want to be that guy whos at 8000 meters...dragging them game...so I landed :P
Cool
@@GreenFuryGaming what happened with the second spit??...btw can u be my mentor aussie boss lol
Great video, that is a nice trick to use, i'll have to remember that one. I love seeing premiums getting blown out of the sky. I love seeing spitfires getting blown out of the sky. And you got both in one plane!
Spiral climb would have honestly been more effective. The difference in power between the two of you is ridiculous.... On top of that, the lack of airflow at that altitude makes him pretty ineffective. Merlin spits don't belong that high, period.
i tried that in a p47 N at high alt against a spit...he came pretty damn close to me, so decided to do this instead :)
Yeah I don't have the balls to pull that move in the 47N. It doesn't feel very powerful, not like the M or the Ta's
Right. It is an LF... Low altitude Fighter.
@@Mannock merlin spit that high is broken flight model gayjin has soo many broken models
@@gasdorficmuncher9943 why do you think so
You should have performed the dreaded Cobra Maneuver, or maybe a Crazy Ivan. A Triple Sow Cow would've worked best tho.
lol
As someone who is trying to grind the Ta-152H1, I envy your ability to maneuver against a Spacefire. I find the Ta to be better in the horizontal than the 190D13 and pleasant handling up high but lacking in ammo, defensive roll response at high speeds and fragile.
Its lack of its 25 meter per second climb rate like it was said to have does not help.
Great flying.
Cannonfodder43 stock it's horrible. Spade it turns into a god
I hope that is the case because I really want to love it.
Ta 152 is pure shit in this game. In real life was superior than P51 mustang.
@@Big1_ it is superior to mustang in warthunder
These videos are just great. Your thoughtfulness and demeanor are just wonderful. You also show respect for your opponents too.
You do a great job describing what is going on. I lvoe that you expose your mistakes and teach us how to correct. I am sure mistakes happen more often than most are willing to admit. Knowing how to recognize them and know ing how to correct them is "experience". This technique is awesome and you describe it well. Thank you. I truly apprecitate your videos.
Congrats on 3k!
I love your videos and I especially love the fact you fly the FW-190 against Spitfire.
Very skillful energy fight! Nice!!
Your understanding of the aircraft is amazing and why you do so good. Such a fine pilot taught me very much
wooohooooo!!! new upload!!
awesome video!
great video. one thing I would add is that this can be performed quite well at lower altitudes aswell as long as your plane has better speed and energy retention. I often use this tactic flying planes like the typhoon/tempest/f6f/ki-61
Yesss, its a great tactic to use
I admire your patience flying, now days my pool of patience is quite shallow :-(
And yes to mee to it seams german guns are nerf in muzzle velociti diparment, eaven Mk 103 seams slower then they use to be not to mention Mk 151.
Yes i do remeber days when killing spits in headon with Fw190 D was easy busines now it is a rare thing to do.
I feel the same, i remember the german guns could hit enemies at 1km+....now days its so rare
It is whey gajzila show love for german side ;-)
But not to be meen to soviets, their 20mm guns seem slower too, japan too, only 20mm guns that keept same feel of velocity is brit hispano (to me).
Great video fury, i like how metodicly you explain what you do and why, eaven old wt horse like me can learn some tweaks and detail from your videos.
I pey especial attention to your speed and distance frim enemy, when to extend, when tu turn to them, how much speed you kept aftet turn and details like that and on that note thanks for that.
Same feelings here. I had problems with mg151s because I have been using stealth belt forever. Then I switched to air target belt and realized they seem to be way slower than what I remember. So that day I constantly tell myself: aim these guns like aiming MI108s. Then voila. Things get insta kills in front of my guns. I would recommend you to try out a belt with tracer to help you relearn the handling.
And of course. Shame on gaijin. Their families and they cow for not mentioning the change.
i think the Do 335 is the only german aircraft with 0 redeeming features
Nice 💪
This guy sounds like he has three different accents sometimes wtf?
When i was a kid, i lived in the US, I lived in Spain, NZ and Australia, alot of people ask me about this lol, i picked up the accents and didn't let it go
Aussie-Texan for sure
@@dom69foco that's what I said on one of his vids, Texan that lives in Aus or the other way round
@@dom69foco i was thinking the same thing lol.... oddly enough, my RL nick is also Dom ;D
Adam would be proud
beautiful kill
Saw your first video, and gotta tell you I learned something here, I have over 30 days gametime in rb and still I learn something from the video, shows the quality of the content the last time I really admired someone playing good was messerschmit videos, but the videos are too old, and the flight mechanics have changed drastically yours still relevant
Why I don't play war thunder anymore:
1) Spitfires especially LF (Low Fighter) and naval American fighters outperform a Ta152H-1 in an altitude of 6kms and above.
2)The Ta152H-1 is underperforming.
Pericles Viglis It’s not underperforming... It is currently running the best settings it ever ran IRL and it matches well with historical performance graphs. Do you have any numbers to back up that extraordinary claim that it is “underperforming?”
How much fuel do you carry?
Green Fury 20 mins
@Perciles Viglis @dogness Ta 152 isn't underperforming, just gaijin can't properly implement boosts (MW-50 and GM-1) and Ta 152 should be faster than Spitfire F Mk IX above like 8 or 9k (when GM-1 should kick in) meters. 6km isn't all that high, really.
Funfact: GM-1 is implemented to the game as (I think) 5th supercharger gear for Ta 152H. (Which is activated above 10k or something.)
Performance
Maximum speed: 759 km/h at 12,500 m using GM-1 boost (472 mph at 41,000 ft using GM-1 boost)Range: 2,000 km (1,240 mi)Service ceiling: 15,100 m using GM-1 boost (49,540 ft using GM-1 boost)Rate of climb: 20 m/s to 25.4 m/s (3,937 ft/min at maximum weight of 5,217 kg to ~5,000+ ft/min at 4,727 kg)Wing loading: 196.8 kg/m² (41.38 lb/ft²)Power/mass: 0.276 kW/kg (0.167 hp/lb)
Which of the above do you get in War Thunder?
Also, take a look at Mags' opinion on the Ta152H-1.
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Good kill - a superior machine with a superior pilot - a deadly combination.
skillz bro.
Dude it works like a magic
I did that tactic with my FW-190 A4
But good video, i would just like to see some more gameplay videos of this plane
Oh
Nice
Keep up the kill science Green!
How did you get this good? Can you recommend a plane to start from scratch with?
very nise
Gotta love how those Spacefires are always above you hence negating your "BnZ" abilties.. But anyways good fight!
niiiice
Hey, I love your accent (and vids ofc!) may I ask where are your from? from the us?
Wyoming :)
fucking beautiful flying there mate
You got a cool accent for flying haha.
This was exactly what I did last month, same map, same plane, only difference was I was able to reach 600kph at 7k and the spit suddenly latches on my 6. Idk where he came from but I pulled up and he followed me in the stall climb and I barely survived. We stall at 9k just a shy bit from 10k. I hammerhead the plane and boom, spitty gone.
Nice vid btw
This isnt exact you did hammer head
The spit is designed for lower alt. The 152 designed specifically for high alt. Try this at low alt. lol. But great flying. Whole different game at those altitudes. Nice kill.
Thanks for showing us your mistakes. I probably make them too and don't even notice. The real secret though is how do you find anyone above 2000m altitude.
Its going yo be really hard to realizr the patterns and movements of the planes in battle
You sir are a very good RB pilot. How do you do in SB?
And just look at how many 30mm he takes. "sparks sparks"
never played SB, i got a mate Dogeness who's decent at it, yeah..the german rounds not only sparks its evident visually, that the velocity is a lot lower than what gaijin tell us
Ah man you should. It is something else :) Allot of fun. Yeah that doesn't surprise me at all xD It is a shame tho :(
Really nice fight, well done !
I see just one major flaw with this technique : you have to be at 8000m ;)
That way i can try to go for the same strats and stugg
yea like +
Nice, but the Spitfire pilot was a fool to play along with your plan.
I play Sim only and try these moves but I get lost and lose all sense of direction
Your aim there was terrable but nice vid thank you for the tutorial
why dont you do a shallow clib spirral
I did it last time I flew it 4 years ago against a spitfire and it worked
green come back come on mate!!
What are lf mk. IXs doing in high alt? LF means low fly.
Pretty nice but jam not able to remember and perform those steps correctly and i play in ps4 controls are another prblm
You would have certainly had that first kill had you waited 5 more seconds to deploy combat flaps. Good flying overall
Spitfire LF =Spitfire low flight
Ta still superior...
I noticed that these days u r more often playing German line dude
I love german aircraft too, but i never know to aim with mg131
thats why he is playing german
Herdi Budi Hermawan yea aiming is interesting. I feel like they nerf ed the velocity of the German rounds. Like I used to remember we could snipe planes over 1km
yes I really feel like the velocity on these cannons has been nerfed, which is a shame because it renders them uncompetitive against the current .50 cals even though they have much higher damage output ... and the velocity wasn't even that high in the first place
Aiming with MG151/20 and other german guns isn't hard. If you think that you've led enough, aim a lil' bit more before your enemy.
Is this maneuvers viable for 1225s?
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Hey GF ;) what about second spitfire?
Tried to set him up as well, had 2 team mates left, when they died, had 4 more enemies left, so i didn't want to be that guy whos at high alt...i simply landed :)
Green Fury Thank you for your respond :) I have still a lot to learn but thank to you im improving myślę.
when you have to take a shit while climbing only to notice while you where afk you've reached an altitude of 7 to 8 k meters.
how can you climb that high without getting bored?
Is it possible to do this with the Doras?
Probably possible but only with d12/d13. Need testing to confirm though. These dont turn too well compared to a ta152 adn you might have some trouble getting your guns on target.
Nobody believes me when I tell them I've turn fought against spits at 9000m in the Battle of Britain map and won(((((((
I've never liked the Spitfire in any of the dogfighting games I've played. Preferred the German planes like BF 109 and ME 262. Prefer zoom and boom to turn-fighting.
Why is high jojo better than a simple turn?
Because high yoyo trades your airspeed for altitude and then you can trade it back. In a simple turn you lose airspeed and can't get it back without losing altitude as well
Basically this is a slow rope-a-dope. One thing I'm learning, finally, is that you should NEVER allow your plane to stall out completely, especially when you are the one doing the chasing, which was this guy's fatal mistake (among several). Not that I mean to take anything away from what you did here. I'm nowhere near this level of skill.
pierre leonard you will get to a point where you will lead the enemy away and kill them. Just have to know what you and your fighters capable of :)
You have an Alabama accent
Not a turn fighter. But an energy fighter.
Turn-fighting is a discipline of energy fighting, regardless.
Do you have a discord server?
no sir, im usually in Whoopties discord
Spit made one big mistake it was not altitude for him 8k nope not really
id like to be good in german fighters but i just have no idea and feel like i need to be tutored to enjoy playing german fighters :/
mate i feel the same, sometimes theres a german nerf thats going on , that no ones talking about
Green Fury could you help me out by squading up for a few games? I do believe i sent you an in game message; my in game name is KampfgruppeMike
honestly. if you need telling how to kill a spitfire Lf at 8km+ with a ta, you probably need to be shown how to kill a ta at 5km and under with the Lf
Please improve your aim, please... please.
That spitfire pilot was trash, he could have got you on that vertical with the 20mm, imo you got very lucky.
No ..it works alot as i do it all the time. It's not just about pilot ability. It's simply the out put of power from engines at that altitude
@@GreenFuryGaming Although the competence of the pilot is still a large factor. That Spitfire was dead the moment it climbed up to 8km and stayed there, surrendering its advantages to you.
ORRRRR get the c3 and bait literally 1/4th of the enemy into a headon. Seriously, why did you fucks give me 4 free kills from trying to headon 4x20mils and a 30mil? Cmon you guys.
As if this fight is fair lol.
Why do people like this crap? Perhaps if someone can post the actual stats of the TA 152 and what it could actually do in combat an height instead of rumuor, then perhaps a bit more interest would be taken in these silly games.
pointless comment
@@sb17899: No! a pointed comment. The Ta152 is a overhyped wet dream. The only time they clashed with Spitfires, both were shot down for no losses to the Spitfires. There is bullshit about them supposedly shooting down a handful of Russian fighters in a clash. An often reported episode that's bandied about in books. but the German pilot who was involved said they weren't flying the Ta152 at that time, they were Fw190-D's.
clocloz.altervista.org/history/wwii/aviation/ludwigslust/Ludwigslust_aerial_combat_14-4-1945.html
The noted destruction of a Tempest is also flagged up (mainly skipping over the fact that a Ta152 was also shot down in the same clash) and that the two Tempests were bounced whilst engaged in ground strafing thus at a huge disadvantage is another point overlooked by the 'fans'. if you or anyone could point me to credible, in-service performance data, I would be forever grateful (as would many others)
For a rare aircraft (only about 50-odd were delivered) that hardly saw any combat, its 'combat' record was nothing special.
@Ben Dover If you say so. But the TA152 was still an overhyped piece of Nazi rubbish that did nothing but waste resources and burned up its engines. I have seen absolutely no evidence of the Uberwaffe power-glider being anything special. Perhaps you have evidence of the combat successes of the TA152 other than the 'iffy' shooting down of a Tempest V that was bounced whilst it was engaged in attacking ground targets. And apart from that, what was the performance data used for that sim and was that data accurate?
The TA152 was designed to shoot down the 'projected use of' B29s by the USAAF.
This type of Luftwaffe 'hypercrap' puts me in mind of the He219 and the rubbish spouted about that uber 'Mosquito Killer'.
As for flight sims. They can't replicate the different flying characteristics of aircraft of the same type (They were not clones} or the effects that the environment had on them. And most of all, the skill of the pilot, If he has an off day, Does the sim replicate a rough engine? stuck undercarriage etc? Do you 'flyboy simmers' get to feel the effects of aerial combat, with blackouts, disorientation, negative/positive 'G' where your arms feel like lead, whilst sitting on your sofa?
Perhaps fighting a ground battle in a combat sim is realistic?
You are kidding yourself if you think that these air-combat sims are accurate.
@@paulbantick8266 Yeah, you're rambling and ranting, and your comment is still pointless. The whole point of this video is to teach people how to fly this plane in the game War Thunder. Don't like it? Fuck off.
TA 152 claimed 7 kills in WW2. Seven. Why is so much hot air wasted over this totally irrelevant aircraft? May as well have a video called Spitfire vs. T-65 X-Wing
Keith Alexander because it was a plane that flew and they wanted to be added to the game. Why are you bothering with this comment years after it was added to the game?
Best maneuvers, worst aim
A wasted 8min of my life...fu man
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