I hate to tell you this but Darksiders 1 is a Zelda ocarina of time clone, not a god of war clone. Not to mention God of war is a devil may cry clone. So the entire argument is a mute point.
we should also give the franchise Onimusha and DMC their flowers💯💁🏻♀️💐for inspiring David Jaffe on creating GOW and Kratos bcoz he stated that on the bonus video in GOW1 💁🏻♀️💯
@KingOfLegends23 ya I get that. That's why I said it's sad it was never continued. Whether they were guaranteed or not. Another game in the series would of been awesome.
Purgatorio and Paradiso are better written but maybe not as interesting as Inferno, in fact in the ending cutscene if I am not mistaken Dante reaches Monte Purgatorio before the "to be continued" screen
I'm playing it for the first time ever and it's so much fun, I still haven't finished it yet but I wanted to know if there was a sequel, too sad to find out greedy EA did their thing again 💔
If you weren’t wowed by darksiders 1’s combat but still enjoyed the game as a whole you should totally give darksiders 2 a shot. The combat in ds 2 is fantastic, it’s faster, with better difficulty balance. It also has more great puzzle design, plus some new much better prince of Persia esc platforming, and Diablo esc rpg mechanics. With the exception of maybe story I think ds2 is an phenomenal upgrade/evolution of the first game. Overall it’s the best game in the series imo.
@@crewie94 3 is a good enough game although the shift towards a souls like style of gameplay wasn’t really what I would be hoping for from a darksiders game. At least of the 3 games I’ve played, I believe ds2 is best followed by ds1 and ds3 at the bottom. Not to say it’s bad, just not what I wanted.
@@MrJhwan Sorry yeah, I'm definitely not bashing the game overall, I'm just still salty that they didn't continue with a refinement of the old style. I felt they were getting close to having a truly brilliant combat system in 2, but still weren't quite there. One more game sticking with the direction I felt would've given the team enough experience to really push it to the next level. Hope you have a good weekend! 👊
Still blows my mind just how good Castlevania: Lords of Shadow looks to this day. Performance issues aside, it’s probably one of the best looking games of the PS3/360 generation IMO. Holds up really well on PC as well.
Yes thank you. LOS is actually on my top five favorite 360 games. Assassins creed 1, and 2, call of duty modern ware fare 2 and black ops are my other games in my top 5 360 games.
As a big Sonic fan, I actually always find it fun to see opinions people have on the games, be it from Sonic fans or non-Sonic fans, positive or negative, as long as it isn’t just blind bashing or positivity, and you definitely made some really good points about Unleashed that don’t just sound like you’re hating it for the sake of hating it. You gave it a shot, pointed out what you liked, and basically pointed out all the complaints I have with the game too, despite me loving it, so that’s great, and I’m very much hoping the Sonic fans that don’t understand what ‘opinion’ means don’t get all angry in the comments. Nice video, I’ve been really enjoying it
@@ammarfaiz7315 QTE, weapons that extend your range, power ups using exp(green orbs/GOW red orbs), there are more but it can be seen that way especially for the werehog segments. I love god of war and I love sonic unleashed, the idea isn’t far fetched.
Honestly my favorite thing about unleashed is how the lowest rank has an unique version of the theme where everyone in the orchestra plays at half-ass quality
At the time I was not a major sonic fan but when the quick time events appeared, I was shocked, like really shocked as it was my first time with quick time events. Not that great under pressure, but I found it weird teh homing attack is a separate button, its very weird.
basically the band went "You suck at this so we're going to put as much effort into the music as you in this level." And that's hilarious how the devs did that on purpose.
@@persomiissleepy Ngl if it was a professional orchestra, it's probably harder to play bad because they practice their entire professional career to playing good
@@drasconboy6349 Yeah, the notion of an entire orchestra intentionally sounding bad but still retaining some essense of the original music sounds tricky.
I adore Darksiders games except for 3, just not a fan of soul-like style. Wish they were more consistent with the genre though, because each game is a different genre altogether, the only one remotely similar was 1 and 2, with the differences being 2 has RPG elements
Darksiders is very beloved as a series to my understanding, but the games themselves are quite divisive between titles. What one person likes, another may hate-- and the inverse. Or you might be more in the "eh" regions of how you consider one of the titles. Nevertheless, i think they're all on the good side of things with interesting things to offer, and I do love the series with all my heart. And I will keep hoping for this series to get new titles, with a worthy end title with all four playable Horsemen in the future.
This take on Darksiders is insane the Tiamat boss is frustrating but that’s the only boss. This game is a fantastic game and the combat isn’t as bad as you say. This game is never mid
God of War itself took major inspiration, in terms of gameplay and visual style, from games like Castlevania Lament of Innocence and Devil May Cry which both predate it. So GoW in a way is also a knockoff.
@@TekTheNinja The only thing i saw was him disliking the idea of calling GoW a DMC knockoff but being fine with calling all the other games that came after knockoffs of GoW, even if you could use the exact same reasoning to not call them knockoffs. It's pretty simple, just call GoW a DMC knockoff, or better yet, just don't call any of these games knockoffs of eachother because that's just disrespectful to all the devs of these games, even the GoW devs.
@@gfhhfgZ Can't agree. Even though some of these games are good, most of the ones in this video are really aping GoW at the height of the trend of doing that, it's not really the same.
@@TekTheNinja Right, then let's call all of these games "a cheap and sometimes illegal copy of a popular, more expensive product" because that's what knockoff means. Yeah now i feel great shitting in all the work that was put in those games. Of course i also include GoW on this since it is a DMC knockoff. You want a knockoff of GoW? It would be a game where you control a god of war killing other greek gods while being angry and having the same type of gameplay and also being of worse quality. The moment you change IP, setting, gameplay, story, etc it stops being a "knockoff". A game called "Unearthed: Trail of Ibn Battuta" is a Uncharted knockoff but Uncharted is not a Tomb Raider knockoff, it's inspired by it.
@@SourRobo8364 Alien Force's issue is that there's almost no enemy variety and the level design is ok at best. It still has combos which every game since has abandoned but it gets dull to play really quickly. Vilgax attacks however has great level design, great bosses, decent enemy variety and the added benefit of 10 aliens. No combos tho, unfortunately.
The idea of a game just being a knockoff or ripoff of something else is so strange to me. Yes, some games are blatantly trying to cash in on the popularity of something else, but that isn't automatically a bad thing. If it was we would call first person shooters Doom ripoffs instead of, well, first person shooters.
@@TBP Somewhat off topic but I believe Sega should just give up on 3D Sonic. It started off fine with the adventure games but its devolved into a deluge of autism, just look at Sonic Frontiers.
Actually if I'm not mistaking the God of War 3 developers thanked Dante's Inferno delevopers because they took a lot of inspiration from the game for GOW 3
No they didn't. Dante's Inferno released exactly one month prior to God of War III. GOW3 started development as soon as GOW2 released. GOW3 took nothing from Dante.
Ya'll I'm pretty sure that in the "Making Of" video found in the extras section found in the start up menu of the game the director at the time said exactly that they thanked Dante's Inferno for some inspiration. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure he said that
For Sonic Unleashed the ps2 version seems to fix most of the problems you mentioned before. The framerate was pretty fine, hub world was way different, it was more like you clicked on different areas to talk to people in a dialogue window like a visual novel, I also do not remember a skyscraper mission in it. If I also remember sun/moon medals were tied to ranking instead of having to find them.
As someone who didn't even realize there was a ps3/Xbox version until years after they played on ps2 it almost sounds like he's talking about a different but distinctly familiar game lol. Genuinely surprised why I never hear anyone speak of the ps2 version.
@@rockycuro7737eah I feel so nerfed while beating the Wii version I don’t like it and there are hardly any Day stage acts and no DLCs and Werehog way better on Xbox 360 and PS3
Hold up. Castlevania DID this before god of war, they been trying this since 64. I feel like this is just a disrespect to castlevania when they not only did this first, but also did it WITH a rebbot on thier respective timeline
Yup, even Castlevania Lament of Innocence from 2004 has a really similar combat system and control scheme to that seen in GOW. Maybe Santa Monica stole some ideas from that game
Lords of Shadow is DEFINITELY the BEST God of War clone, followed by Dante's Inferno. I've never considered any of the Darksiders games to be God of War clones, so...
Another thing I'd argue separates The DMCs from the GoWs is the way combat plays a role. In God of War types, its about racking up the combo hits, mashing buttons like a maniac and dealing with great hordes of enemies while being an unstoppable force. Combos in these games are also very, dial-a-combo style in that they follow a pattern starting with light attacks and alternating between heavy attacks and so on and so forth. DMC style games require more from the player during combat. Combos can be canceled into other moves and dodges and the games want the player to be more creative and expressive with combat. It's that freedom of expression and expectation of creativity that truly separates the DMCs from GoWs. Not saying one is better than the other, but I definitely prefer the DMC style of combat.
GOW and DMC have completely different combat systems. GOW combat is based on Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden, where you mix light and heavy attacks to make combos and have an easier dodge, whereas DMC is more about timing your attacks to make different combos and using firearms to control space. DMC's combat system is more complex, but the camera angles and control scheme is trash compared to GOW. DMC is harder than GOW because it has a worse camera and erratic direction-based attacks. It feels more like a 2D fighter in 3D spaces. GOW combos are absurdly easy but there's no denying it has a better gameplay design overall, and that helps the player a lot.
I'm a DMC and GOW fan and feel the need to correct an error in their comparison. It is DMC that's based on precision. GOW is for when you want to relax your brain and slay stress free. I'm surprised the GOW creator got inspired by DMC because, while both action, they are night and day. It's like saying that Spartacus was inspired by the Matrix, but maybe it inspired him to create his own action legend...and that's awesome. I feel I'm the only one who likes the old style of GOW, now it's so restricted. Oh well, guess the majority likes it and it's here to stay. Sucks to be different sometimes😅
Well Jaffe said that GOW took it's combat system from Onimusha, and other devs said they took inspiration from Ninja Gaiden too. The only thing they took inspiration from DMC was the feeling of power not the combat system, that's why GOW combat is completely different to DMC
I loved Dante's Inferno. Both the game and the "Animated Epic" as they called it which I saw first. Maybe that's why I enjoyed it a bit more. This deserves a well done live action movie, that would be an actual epic! Live action mixed with good CG. 🙌
@@JakeWesker358That's a great question. Someone who would do it justice. Not afraid of how dark and mature the material is. I hate when awesome movies get neutered because they want to get extra money from kids seeing it. James Wan would slay it imo. There are heavy horror elements to the story, he also does gore very well. Dante's inferno directed by James Wan.. yeee
I love these types of games and I'm a fan of them (especially dante's inferno and sonic unleashed) not just because of how a like they are with GOW and DMC but the specific game mechanic/genre in general. I wish there were more of games like these today.
"god of war is more about graceful combat and precision" 7 year old me spamming square 4 times and triangle once and spamming dodges against bosses and dangerous enemies:
@@killyridols72826 Literally doesn't matter. Onimusha came out only a few months before the first DMC so let's not grasp at straws here, bot games were in development at the same time. DMC ultimately popularized the genre and put it on the map, not Onimusha. That's the difference.
@@trainofthough0242 The genre was still niche in the early 2000s dude, back then ppl just called those games brawlers/beat em' ups, DMC1 didn't popularize it, DMC3 and GOW1 did
And let's say you're right GOW is a DMC ripoff, why GOW combat is completely different to DMC then? idk if you ever played other games but GOW combat is a carbon copy of Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden. There's no block, counter, two input combos, omnidirectional dodge or air juggle in DMC1, but you can do all of that in Ninja Gaiden. Only combat mechanic GOW took from DMC was the High Time attack and that's all, everything else is completely different
For the darksiders bossfights , you can just hit Tiamat with your sword and for the spider you can use your dodge to close the distance more often and use wrath attacks to do more damage
god of war is by definition a DMC knock-off as god of war is a character action game and DMC invented the character action genre its dumbed down but still a knock-off just like how Bayo is a DMC knock-off however that's not to say that's a bad thing imitation is the highest form of flattery but you cant deny that its the truth
I have news for you, DMC is a Onimusha knock off, and if you play Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden Black you'll see that those two games were the base for GOW combat mechanics not DMC. Also the first ever character action was Strider and that game was also an inspiration for DMC. Overall hack and slash is a really old genre that started in 2D action games and evolved to 3D action-adventure. But no, DMC didn't invent the wheel
@@killyridols72826 yes it did it you said it yourself "started in 2D action games and evolved to 3D" DMC was the first character action game this is not argued as character action in itself is a genera defined by DMC by your logic wolfinstine 3D was not the first FPS because asteroid was a game where you shoot things and wolfinstine just made it first person therefore asteroid was the "real" original FPS also check your facts it would be kinda hard for GOW to be inspired by a game that came out 6 months after GOW
@@elapidpython4378 First 3D character action was Onimusha there's even older 3D character action games/hack and slash like Berserk for Dreamcast, Dynasty Warriors 2 and Nightmare Creatures. And og Ninja Gaiden was first released in march 2004, exactly a year before GOW 1
@@elapidpython4378Ninja Gaiden from 2004 is the same as Ninja Gaiden Black bruh. It came a year before and it has the exact same control scheme as God of War 1. DMC1 has no air juggles, parrys, counters, blocking, grabs, magic, finishers, and all of those combat mechanics come from Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden. DMC 1 and 2 are 60% shooting even the final boss in DMC1 is a bullet hell. DMC invented "shooter slashers" but 3D hack and slash dates from Soul Reaver, Nightmare Creatures, Onimusha and Dynasty Warriors 2. And before 3D hack and slash existed we had 2D hack and slash, Strider's DNA is present in every single hack and slash game to date, from GOW, to MGR to DMC, to NG etc. But even then the first 3D hack and slash would be Soul Reaver which inspired Onimusha. Do a little research dude, Kamiya himself admitted he took inspirations both from Strider and Onimusha, he even said that the High Time attack was a copy of the uppercut slash in Onimusha, they only added shooting to an already existing formula
Since you asked for the Tiamat Boss you actually can just melee her after the bombs are gone, her stun state is triggered by damage in general you don't have to use the crossblade, it's safe but slow whereas stick and moving with melee is risky but fast. Silitha actually doesn't have that much health it's just she has a lot of poorly communicated phase transitions that make it seem like she has more health than she really does. Roughly one combo not even a full one will progress one phase and once that damage quota is met she seems to become immune until you hookshot her again, which is why she seems to have a lot of health but really doesn't. I've consistently been able to kill her quickly with only a small handful of basic attacks on multiple playthroughs but landing the more damaging stuff doesn't make the fight go any faster. Also for as intimidating as her attacks are you actually have more time than it appears to dodge so long as you don't succumb to deer in headlights syndrome and or dodge in the wrong direction, I.E. don't dodge directly backwards for her lunging attack dodge to the side. Think of her as less fo a boss and more of a timing/pattern puzzle, that simple change in mentality takes her from very hard to cakewalk. I know you probably won't replay the game but you asked if you were doing anything wrong so I figured I'd at least try to answer that to the best of my ability, since I've played through the game multiple times.
Ngl Dante's Inferno's combat is the love child of GoW and DmC, the combat is as fluid and grotesques as GoW but it has the Sword and Gun buttons which is the Scythe and Cross respectively like DmC.
As much as I love GoW, it is a knockoff of another series involving a Dante. GoW is a complete knockoff of Devil May Cry. If you are familiar with both series and deny it, I would contend that you are just a bit biased. That being said, they are both fantastic franchises.
I basically skipped all the way to the mystery game. I won’t spoil it here but it’s from a franchise I truly love still to this day. And personally you could say the whole trilogy is a god of war ripoff.
@@crewie94 I’m gonna take a look at them eventually. I’m especially interested in the sonic unleashed comparison. One of my personal favourite sonic games.
I love DotD and it upsets me it gets overlooked just because it's part of a trilogy. It has its issues with jank animations and not good voice aching, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't love it. Edit: Spelling. The story, characters, soundtrack, and gameplay more than make up for the cons the game has
@@crewie94 I never said I wouldn't spoil it, but I will abbreviated it to DotD. That should be good enough. I can gush about the game all day, because I believe it to genuinely be good and underrated
Yeah, that happened to me too in Unleashed, the whole shock wave knocking you off the building. Best way to avoid that is to simply get away from it as it's preparing to jump instead of just continuing to whale on it. Then just jump over the incoming shockwave, get back in and continue attacking. You technically can block the jump but not without enough shield meter as it'll just eat through the shield if that's the case. You'll also probably still get hit by his jumping while doing aerial combos, further solidifying that the best tactic against that move is just to simply back off. Yes, Sonic Unleashed is one of my favorite games of all time and no, I don't intend to criticize how you play or feel about the game. I just wanted to point it out. I absolute love Chip for the reasons you say you hate him for as a character so I just disagree in that regard and that's great! I do agree in that the game could've used more revising as I didn't even consider how much it would've benefitted or not from excluding the lives system! I completely respect and appreciate your opinion.
Ngl the part where he rage quit was the most avoidable attack too It straight up has a long ass charge up before jumping so I’m confused why he had so much trouble with it
Think your assesment of Unleashed's Daytime Stages are the most legit analysis I've seen of standard Sonic gameplay from a newcomer. Also, as someone who loves Unleashed, no one will blame you for calling it quits in Skyscraper Scamper cause even before that final enemy encounter, falling into instant death was the norm for that level. The saddest part is, Empire City isn't even plot relevant...like at all.
Great video, Lords of Shadow is my personal favorite due to its amazing sense of adventure, the gameplay is sadly not on GoW's level though. The sequel has great combat so hopefully you cover that on part 2.
Eww. No. He's never evolved. Also, I remember back in the day with these games when another idiot once said the maker of Angry birds was the same... :/
Did you know God of war is a knockoff of Ninja gaiden/black from og Xbox? It's true, the devs said it in an old interview for game informer, IIRC, that ninja gaiden was their biggest inspiration and they tried to do things as well as team ninja did. Turns out they far surpassed team ninja and my favorite action game of all time. And they did an awesome job at it.
Finally someone who actually knows about GOW influences. Yes GOW combat is based on Ninja Gaiden and Onimusha. But a lot of Hideki Kamiya fanboys still think that DMC was the biggest inspiration, but DMC and GOW have completely different combat systems lmao
Darksiders combos can mix and matched. The fact that you just spammed the air spin shows your lack of imagination to fully use the sandbox that is given to the player
Dispite them being knockoffs or took huge inspiration of God of war. I gotta say I love the games. Specially castlevania lords of shadow series. It's a series that actually got me into castlevania in general and helps with the fact it's a hack n slash with deep story and characters, lore. Definitely what got me into it. Also love darksiders. All I gotta say. Still waiting on strife stand alone game. With him being a gunslinger character. I wonder if it be a first person shooter game lol. Would make sense. But thing is. I feel if they did that for strife they probably be taking inspiration from doom and shadow warrior alot. Though regardless I think they need to bring the game series back to hack n slash genre like darksiders 1 or 2. I loved 3. But I like the hack n slash style gameplay in 1 and 2. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they took inspiration from devil may cry to extent. Like God of War. Devil may cry also defined the hack n slash genre.
I always felt like Darksiders 1 and 3 are in some form insipired by Devil May Cry. Also to that Strife game, I can see it as a 3rd person over the shoulder shooter more likely. Because even though Strife is a Gunslinger, in DS Genesis we can see that Strife is capable of holding on his own with melees
22:00 Not really, the most fondly remembered Sonic stories, dialogue and scenes come from stuff like the Adventure games and Black Knight, which makes you go "damn, they didn't need to go so hard for a family friendly mascot game but they did", i find Unleashed's story to be OK, but not nearly as high as the bar the series set for itself previously
@@SomeoneThatIsHappyTowards the end of the game sonic tells merlina (The girl u help through the game) that "Every world has its end, I know that's kinda sad but...that's why you gotta live life in the time we have, at least thats what I figure." Moments like these in the "dark age" sonic games are what made the fans miss that serious tone they to it. Nowadays sonic calling eggman bald mcnose hair and laughing about fart jokes...speaks for itself. Also earlier in that game knuckles was about to commit seppuku
the description is misleading it was Devil May Cry and the popularity of Devil May Cry that Spawn God of War and similer games in the Hack and Slash Genre and if you wanna take it a step further games like Diablo Medievil also inspired the creators of Devil May Cry and God of War
Castlevania has a long history of 3D games dating back to the Nintendo 64. In fact, one of my favorites, lament of Innocence, was in production and released before the first God of war. God of war took a lot of liberties with that game's combat system. And Lords of shadows combat system is way deeper than any God of war game. And people always tend to forget about devil May cry being years ahead of any god of war game. God of war was not the first one to do in over the top action game and it's quite annoying that every third person action game gets compared to it. It's a fantastic IP but it's the Duke nukem of third person action games. Kratos is comically over the top.
Darksiders is one of my favorite series of all time I love the first two so much I haven’t put enough time into the third game to have an opinion on it and haven’t played genesis yet but the lore is also incredible
lords of shadow 1 is incredible; when you're good at the game, everything comes together to make you feel like a basadd that will beat the absoute shit out of anything in your way. The presentation reinforces this through body language and the Heart of Darkness flavored narrative and i think it is masterfully done. I honestly felt more like doomguy with a whip than any of the previous Belmonts. Also, my thoughts on the blocking and dodging mechanic avoiding the right stick is that it ensures that your thumb is always on an attack button to incentivize aggressive play.
Games are so interesting like this. Devil May Cry was a big genre defining game that got a lot of its own knockoffs, but it also led to unique games that simply took inspiration while creating something unique, like God of War, and then GoW in turn got it's own set of knock-offs, that in some sense, can still be traced back to DMC. It's a weird sort of pipeline. Also it's funny to me that Castlevania had a DMC game (Lament of Innocence) and a GoW game.
It wasn't, both GOW and DMC are Onimusha knock offs, if you actually play Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden you'll see that those two games were the base for GOW combat mechanics
@@MILDMONSTER1234he said it was the feeling of power they were ripping off from DMC not the combat, combat system is completely different in both games
Lord's of Shadow was fantastic! One of my favorite games ever. It tells the story of a man who gave up everything to save the woman he loves, only to be bitterly deceived in the end. Also, the pencil sketch style of artwork in the beastiary is mind blowing. Epic game.
Big Sonic fan. I love Sonic Unleashed. I am happy you covered this game. I never had that many issues with the day levels outside of maybe one or two. I am okay with the life system. I never actually saw the game over screen but I never seen people struggle like this. It's interesting. I'm so used to this game and design and other Sonic games. So this game is easy to me. Once again, I am happy you did this game. Also I love the Werehog too even if the levels can be long and there is too many fighting at times but I like it. I love the day levels more but he might stages were very well done.
Bro what in the fuck….i never knew that game existed nor did i expect it to be a dmc clone lol. PS. DMC started that style of hack n slash gameplay mixed in with puzzle solving. Even God of War should be considered a clone of it
I can't seem to get where these titles are supposed to be a knock off? If these are a knock off from GoW then everything said at the beginning of the video about GoW not being a DMC clone is invalid.
Ironically the sonic unleashed last Gen ports don’t have the sun and moon medal requirement but split the night levels into thirds so the night time levels are even more abundant and have a less conventional combat system as it was designed to be used with the Wiimoat and nunchuck
I like this series. I'm an old 50something gamer. Every decade or so, a game shapes all the other games to come after. The 80s were Space Invaders/Galaxian and Pac-Man clones. The 90s were Final Fight/Street fighter clones. God of War was that game. I played Dante's Inferno once. I remember enjoying it at the time, but it was missing that something that made me want to play it again. Some of it was that an hour into it, my first thought was "this is just Baby God of War"... and GOW still was releasing sequels regularly. And I liked GOW more. Although its existence as a shameless GOW clone is what people remember, I appreciate how you revisit it (and the other games) with care and depth...explicating all it's strengths and shortcomings. Well done.
I think Bayonetta is the combination of both DMC and GoW. The game act like GoW with wider hitbox wider range attack, heavy and light attack combo and QTE and platformer, but the feel almost like DMC because some move designed to air combo opener, dodge offset that act like cancels similar to Jump cancels etc.
I personally found Castlevania better than the GOW games, the length being a plus back then being a poor student 😂 The enemy variety was fantastic i remember The sequel though 🤢
I actually really liked the sequel. The forced stealth and dumb sections like that were eh but the combat continued to be good and I liked being Dracula lol
For Tiamat, the only good aspect about her fight is her intro cutscene. That entire scene has amazing atmosphere. The lack of music with the sounds of rain on top of a church with Tiamat's thunderous leaps and wing flaps. Then top off her speech is War's one liner.
Good on you for making a video about a franchise you’re proud of. It takes a lot of time and effort to make these and a strong passion. There are going to be those that disagree however, and I unfortunately disagree with most, if not the whole premise of the video. Especially when the claim is that if a game takes inspiration from God of War and replicates certain aspects, then its deemed a knock off, but if God of War does the same, it took inspiration from its predecessors. I don’t have anything against the God of War, but thats a pretty arrogant claim. As one who designs and builds games in hopes to release one in the future, there’s already a huge feeling for the need to be original and not copy something existing. It gets to the point where you question if you actually came up with an interesting original idea or if you just missed something obscure and later, the masses will start calling your creation a clone or a knock off. Frankly, its incredibly insulting to those who put the effort in to making something fun, its discouraging to those of us who are trying to take steps to one day make something that could be great like God of War, and, unless the distinction between two titles was so blurred that it would border plagiarism, I would be more flattered that someone took inspiration from a game I made rather than brush it off as a simple knock off. Like I said, I know making videos takes a lot of time and effort, but try not to brush off the efforts of those putting in arguably more time and more effort themselves. Unless I grossly misinterpreted the intention of your video, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Okay, so I'm going to try and level with you. I understand that it must be frustrating as a game developer to constantly have your work be compared to that of other people's. But with all due respect, I think you've fallen at the first hurdle here in that you're taking this video way too seriously. It was never supposed to be a serious assessment on a game's worthiness to exist based around its inspirations. The fact is, this is just a video meant to highlight how God of War inspired the industry for a time, because I think it's interesting to see how games that take heavy inspiration from a popular title are able to separate themselves. But more than anything, this video is just supposed to be light entertainment. To your claim about arrogance, I'll just say this, inspiration is a spectrum. You see, I'm using knockoff as a find and replace for the phrase "heavily inspired" because knockoff is a much snappier way to put it. It admittedly makes some things get lost in translation, but that's the price you pay for being succinct. I think it's fairly self-evident what quantifies being inspired, and what quantifies being heavily inspired. God of war and Devil May Cry play similarly, but they feel much different. God of War didn't "do the same thing" as Devil May cry. Contrarily, Dante's Inferno plays the same and has many identical elements to god of war including the HUD. But in keeping with the theme about not taking this too seriously, I said multiple times in the video, who cares as long as it's good? Basically, I understand where you're coming from, and I respect your point, but I think you've grabbed the wrong end of the wrong stick here, and I think you need to take a step back and really question if any of this even matters. Because really, it's all just entertainment.
@@TBP Im glad you replied. It appears that I simply misunderstood your intentions and for that I apologize as do I thank you for taking the time to clarify for me. I greatly appreciate when someone can take an objective stance on something, separate personal bias, and acknowledge the lineage it derives details and characteristics from, whilst also giving credit to the unique take a creator has put forth in their own design. Thanks again for the clarification, best of luck in your future videos, and heres hoping the next God of War title slaps like the rest 😁 PS: Also, I appreciate your level headed response compared to most who jump to rage. Lol. Wasn’t looking for conflict, was just addressing an issue that hurts some developers.
Oh Look, someone who wants Sonic games to be on baby mode because he doesn’t wanna put in the work to get good. Play Sonic Colors or Generations, they’re more your speed.
Can’t believe they made a Belmont into Dracula. How insulting. At least the DmC Reboot game still respect the game’s original lore by following the characters’ originality.
I find Belmont turning into Dracula more tragic than insulting, with all the flaws that 2 may have it didn't shy away on how Gabriel pretty much suffered and keeps suffering in the sequel. I personally think this kinda storytelling is a bit more refreshing than the same song and dance we were used to in the past Castlevania games.
I mean, they made DmC Dante the offspring of a Demon and an Angel which is a very massive departure from mainline Dante which is the offspring of a Human and a Demon, and that change affected some of the themes and relatability of the original lore.
honestly, lords of shadow is top tier imo... tho that could be the nostalgia talking since i played this at such a young age. either way, still love it to this day, heck, even the sequel too.
Honestly Castlevania being a God of War clone is pretty fitting. Ninja Gaiden being a hack n slash is proof that 2D action games can use that formula to transition in a way that makes sense. I mean Ninja Gaiden is basically fast Castlevania
@@ABDZA313 I'm aware, which is why it makes sense to take inspiration from God of War. It expands on what I am saying, thanks for pointing that out. I was just using Ninja Gaiden because Lament of Innocence is pretty mixed as far as the fanbase, and the Xbox Ninja Gaiden games are held in high regard.
The interesting thing about the Easy Mode in Darksiders is that it actually tends to feel harder than Normal difficulty. Even the Achievement for it asked "That was easy?"
Watch the next edition of The God Of War Knockoff collection right now here.
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Strange, that you can hold weak or strong attack at leveled up Combat in Empire City Night stage in the end to easily beat the boss
@@godzillazfrictionlol called out, aren't you?
I hate to tell you this but Darksiders 1 is a Zelda ocarina of time clone, not a god of war clone.
Not to mention God of war is a devil may cry clone. So the entire argument is a mute point.
we should also give the franchise Onimusha and DMC their flowers💯💁🏻♀️💐for inspiring David Jaffe on creating GOW and Kratos bcoz he stated that on the bonus video in GOW1 💁🏻♀️💯
"Knock - Off Collection" sounds like something they should be selling in the Play Store.
Dantes inferno was phenomenal and im so beyond upset it was never continued.
Yeah, it was pretty entertaining.
Me too
@KingOfLegends23 did you not play the ending of the game? It literally says to be continued as the snake slithers away.
@KingOfLegends23 their game developers they could create any story they wanted after it. And visceral was damn good at it till dead space 3 flopped.
@KingOfLegends23 ya I get that. That's why I said it's sad it was never continued. Whether they were guaranteed or not. Another game in the series would of been awesome.
Dantes Inferno is a hidden gem that I wish it got a sequel. Truly a great game on the 360/PS3 era
There is PSP version as well btw
Purgatorio and Paradiso are better written but maybe not as interesting as Inferno, in fact in the ending cutscene if I am not mistaken Dante reaches Monte Purgatorio before the "to be continued" screen
Wouldn't say a hidden gem, it's a pretty widely beloved and relatively well known franchise. It's gotten quite a cult following in recent years
I'm playing it for the first time ever and it's so much fun, I still haven't finished it yet but I wanted to know if there was a sequel, too sad to find out greedy EA did their thing again 💔
If you weren’t wowed by darksiders 1’s combat but still enjoyed the game as a whole you should totally give darksiders 2 a shot. The combat in ds 2 is fantastic, it’s faster, with better difficulty balance. It also has more great puzzle design, plus some new much better prince of Persia esc platforming, and Diablo esc rpg mechanics. With the exception of maybe story I think ds2 is an phenomenal upgrade/evolution of the first game. Overall it’s the best game in the series imo.
the better of the series by far, I agree
3 is best imo
This is actually true....but what happened to 3!? 😥
@@crewie94 3 is a good enough game although the shift towards a souls like style of gameplay wasn’t really what I would be hoping for from a darksiders game. At least of the 3 games I’ve played, I believe ds2 is best followed by ds1 and ds3 at the bottom. Not to say it’s bad, just not what I wanted.
@@MrJhwan Sorry yeah, I'm definitely not bashing the game overall, I'm just still salty that they didn't continue with a refinement of the old style. I felt they were getting close to having a truly brilliant combat system in 2, but still weren't quite there. One more game sticking with the direction I felt would've given the team enough experience to really push it to the next level. Hope you have a good weekend! 👊
Still blows my mind just how good Castlevania: Lords of Shadow looks to this day. Performance issues aside, it’s probably one of the best looking games of the PS3/360 generation IMO. Holds up really well on PC as well.
Great game.
Yes thank you. LOS is actually on my top five favorite 360 games. Assassins creed 1, and 2, call of duty modern ware fare 2 and black ops are my other games in my top 5 360 games.
Like it even had Patrick Stewart in it
@@tobiaskadachi literally the worst in the castlevania franchise
@@grifcheese1076 For me it's is easily best but I guess that's because I dislike all the other castlevania games.
Hearing Darksiders be called a god of war "Knock off" hurts my soul
As a big Sonic fan, I actually always find it fun to see opinions people have on the games, be it from Sonic fans or non-Sonic fans, positive or negative, as long as it isn’t just blind bashing or positivity, and you definitely made some really good points about Unleashed that don’t just sound like you’re hating it for the sake of hating it. You gave it a shot, pointed out what you liked, and basically pointed out all the complaints I have with the game too, despite me loving it, so that’s great, and I’m very much hoping the Sonic fans that don’t understand what ‘opinion’ means don’t get all angry in the comments. Nice video, I’ve been really enjoying it
Most based and mentally sane person in the sonic fandom
@@insertnamehere259 For real
Finally a sane sonic fan
I can't stop laughing the fact that he thinks sonic unleashed is a gow knockoff
@@ammarfaiz7315 QTE, weapons that extend your range, power ups using exp(green orbs/GOW red orbs), there are more but it can be seen that way especially for the werehog segments. I love god of war and I love sonic unleashed, the idea isn’t far fetched.
Honestly my favorite thing about unleashed is how the lowest rank has an unique version of the theme where everyone in the orchestra plays at half-ass quality
my favorite thing is how in the last level i took 43 minutes to beat it and still got a B rank
At the time I was not a major sonic fan but when the quick time events appeared, I was shocked, like really shocked as it was my first time with quick time events. Not that great under pressure, but I found it weird teh homing attack is a separate button, its very weird.
basically the band went "You suck at this so we're going to put as much effort into the music as you in this level." And that's hilarious how the devs did that on purpose.
@@persomiissleepy Ngl if it was a professional orchestra, it's probably harder to play bad because they practice their entire professional career to playing good
@@drasconboy6349 Yeah, the notion of an entire orchestra intentionally sounding bad but still retaining some essense of the original music sounds tricky.
Ah, Darksiders. I just replayed the Warmastered Edition a couple days ago. I've always really admired it, but I wasn't sure if anyone else liked it.
I adore Darksiders games except for 3, just not a fan of soul-like style. Wish they were more consistent with the genre though, because each game is a different genre altogether, the only one remotely similar was 1 and 2, with the differences being 2 has RPG elements
2 has to be my favourite
@@suspiciousbacon same 2 was A great game i found it to be much better than the witcher 3
Darksiders is very beloved as a series to my understanding, but the games themselves are quite divisive between titles. What one person likes, another may hate-- and the inverse.
Or you might be more in the "eh" regions of how you consider one of the titles.
Nevertheless, i think they're all on the good side of things with interesting things to offer, and I do love the series with all my heart. And I will keep hoping for this series to get new titles, with a worthy end title with all four playable Horsemen in the future.
@@jurtheorc8117 i really wish
I don't think these games are knock offs, they are merely the same genre
This take on Darksiders is insane the Tiamat boss is frustrating but that’s the only boss. This game is a fantastic game and the combat isn’t as bad as you say. This game is never mid
I adore darksiders, it was so freaking fun
I enjoyed Darksiders 2 but found the first boring, repetitive and simplistic
God of War itself took major inspiration, in terms of gameplay and visual style, from games like Castlevania Lament of Innocence and Devil May Cry which both predate it. So GoW in a way is also a knockoff.
This is acknowledged right at the beginning of the video
@@TekTheNinja The only thing i saw was him disliking the idea of calling GoW a DMC knockoff but being fine with calling all the other games that came after knockoffs of GoW, even if you could use the exact same reasoning to not call them knockoffs. It's pretty simple, just call GoW a DMC knockoff, or better yet, just don't call any of these games knockoffs of eachother because that's just disrespectful to all the devs of these games, even the GoW devs.
@@gfhhfgZ Can't agree. Even though some of these games are good, most of the ones in this video are really aping GoW at the height of the trend of doing that, it's not really the same.
@@TekTheNinja Right, then let's call all of these games "a cheap and sometimes illegal copy of a popular, more expensive product" because that's what knockoff means. Yeah now i feel great shitting in all the work that was put in those games. Of course i also include GoW on this since it is a DMC knockoff.
You want a knockoff of GoW? It would be a game where you control a god of war killing other greek gods while being angry and having the same type of gameplay and also being of worse quality. The moment you change IP, setting, gameplay, story, etc it stops being a "knockoff". A game called "Unearthed: Trail of Ibn Battuta" is a Uncharted knockoff but Uncharted is not a Tomb Raider knockoff, it's inspired by it.
Santa Monica Studio said that Capcom's Onimusha was a big inspiration.
Dante's Inferno was a FANTASTIC one
Dante's Inferno and the first Darksiders were so good man
Is the second one worse? Been wanting to try out these games for a long time
@@jerrysmith8814The second is better than the first in every way IMO
My favorite GoW clone is Ben 10: Protector of earth. It's still the franchise's best game.
Debatablely yeah, depending on how you feel about Vilgax Attacks
@@NeiyonSpyder Never played that one actually. Alien Force was such a step down to me.
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@@SourRobo8364 Alien Force's issue is that there's almost no enemy variety and the level design is ok at best. It still has combos which every game since has abandoned but it gets dull to play really quickly. Vilgax attacks however has great level design, great bosses, decent enemy variety and the added benefit of 10 aliens. No combos tho, unfortunately.
The idea of a game just being a knockoff or ripoff of something else is so strange to me. Yes, some games are blatantly trying to cash in on the popularity of something else, but that isn't automatically a bad thing. If it was we would call first person shooters Doom ripoffs instead of, well, first person shooters.
I never said it was a bad thing, as matter fact in my first knock offs video, I outright said that.
@@TBP Somewhat off topic but I believe Sega should just give up on 3D Sonic. It started off fine with the adventure games but its devolved into a deluge of autism, just look at Sonic Frontiers.
Funnily enough everyone did called FPS games Doom knockoffs/clones at the early stage.
Doom is a ripoff of Wolfenstein! LOL!
@@kylecrofts8740 Sonic frontiers is the most interesting sonic game in a while
Actually if I'm not mistaking the God of War 3 developers thanked Dante's Inferno delevopers because they took a lot of inspiration from the game for GOW 3
No they didn't. Dante's Inferno released exactly one month prior to God of War III. GOW3 started development as soon as GOW2 released. GOW3 took nothing from Dante.
@@AmaraChanTV are you dumb or just can’t read
Like ako wrote, it would be impossible
we get it, you like Dante's Inferno. God Of War 3 used more of its old source, but enhanced some of the stuff
Ya'll I'm pretty sure that in the "Making Of" video found in the extras section found in the start up menu of the game the director at the time said exactly that they thanked Dante's Inferno for some inspiration. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure he said that
I would consider God of War a Devil May Cry knockoff if that's the case. It's the grand daddy of its genre
Came to this video strictly to say the same thing: 'how is GOW not just a ripoff of DMC (the og)?'
@@TB-xl9eg it's one of the first things he explains
Right? It's FUCKING HACK-N-SLASH. There's been games like God of War before God of War was a thing, it is a GENRE.
Amen
@@TB-xl9eg nope, cuz the first gow was action adventure game at first. Not just hackin an slashing
For Sonic Unleashed the ps2 version seems to fix most of the problems you mentioned before. The framerate was pretty fine, hub world was way different, it was more like you clicked on different areas to talk to people in a dialogue window like a visual novel, I also do not remember a skyscraper mission in it. If I also remember sun/moon medals were tied to ranking instead of having to find them.
As someone who didn't even realize there was a ps3/Xbox version until years after they played on ps2 it almost sounds like he's talking about a different but distinctly familiar game lol. Genuinely surprised why I never hear anyone speak of the ps2 version.
That version is the same as the Wii note. And it sucked
@@rockycuro7737eah I feel so nerfed while beating the Wii version I don’t like it and there are hardly any Day stage acts and no DLCs and Werehog way better on Xbox 360 and PS3
I love playing both the PS3 and Wii versions.
The ps2 version is even worse. Worst controls and the combat is even more basic lmao
Hold up. Castlevania DID this before god of war, they been trying this since 64. I feel like this is just a disrespect to castlevania when they not only did this first, but also did it WITH a rebbot on thier respective timeline
Facts
Yup, even Castlevania Lament of Innocence from 2004 has a really similar combat system and control scheme to that seen in GOW. Maybe Santa Monica stole some ideas from that game
@@killyridols72826 Santa Monica confirmed that DMC and Onimusha were big inspirations.
Lords of Shadow is DEFINITELY the BEST God of War clone, followed by Dante's Inferno. I've never considered any of the Darksiders games to be God of War clones, so...
Dante’s inferno was so underrated
Screw you EA
Dante's Inferno is absolutely incredible, I love it ♥️
Another thing I'd argue separates The DMCs from the GoWs is the way combat plays a role. In God of War types, its about racking up the combo hits, mashing buttons like a maniac and dealing with great hordes of enemies while being an unstoppable force. Combos in these games are also very, dial-a-combo style in that they follow a pattern starting with light attacks and alternating between heavy attacks and so on and so forth.
DMC style games require more from the player during combat. Combos can be canceled into other moves and dodges and the games want the player to be more creative and expressive with combat. It's that freedom of expression and expectation of creativity that truly separates the DMCs from GoWs.
Not saying one is better than the other, but I definitely prefer the DMC style of combat.
GOW is about throwing bodies at others
DMC has the best combat style.
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GOW and DMC have completely different combat systems. GOW combat is based on Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden, where you mix light and heavy attacks to make combos and have an easier dodge, whereas DMC is more about timing your attacks to make different combos and using firearms to control space.
DMC's combat system is more complex, but the camera angles and control scheme is trash compared to GOW. DMC is harder than GOW because it has a worse camera and erratic direction-based attacks. It feels more like a 2D fighter in 3D spaces. GOW combos are absurdly easy but there's no denying it has a better gameplay design overall, and that helps the player a lot.
Man, I am one of the few Darksiders fan. So many good memories.
I'm a DMC and GOW fan and feel the need to correct an error in their comparison. It is DMC that's based on precision. GOW is for when you want to relax your brain and slay stress free. I'm surprised the GOW creator got inspired by DMC because, while both action, they are night and day. It's like saying that Spartacus was inspired by the Matrix, but maybe it inspired him to create his own action legend...and that's awesome.
I feel I'm the only one who likes the old style of GOW, now it's so restricted. Oh well, guess the majority likes it and it's here to stay. Sucks to be different sometimes😅
Well Jaffe said that GOW took it's combat system from Onimusha, and other devs said they took inspiration from Ninja Gaiden too. The only thing they took inspiration from DMC was the feeling of power not the combat system, that's why GOW combat is completely different to DMC
I loved Dante's Inferno. Both the game and the "Animated Epic" as they called it which I saw first. Maybe that's why I enjoyed it a bit more. This deserves a well done live action movie, that would be an actual epic! Live action mixed with good CG. 🙌
Yeah watching the Animated Epic first helps you follow the story in the game better. Still waiting on the sequel :'(
@@JakeWesker358That's a great question. Someone who would do it justice. Not afraid of how dark and mature the material is. I hate when awesome movies get neutered because they want to get extra money from kids seeing it. James Wan would slay it imo. There are heavy horror elements to the story, he also does gore very well. Dante's inferno directed by James Wan.. yeee
@@JakeWesker358 Dude honestly, I feel like G. del Toro would be absolutely amazing for it. His monster design is godly
They have an anime out of y'all don't know.
I love these types of games and I'm a fan of them (especially dante's inferno and sonic unleashed) not just because of how a like they are with GOW and DMC but the specific game mechanic/genre in general. I wish there were more of games like these today.
"god of war is more about graceful combat and precision" 7 year old me spamming square 4 times and triangle once and spamming dodges against bosses and dangerous enemies:
just because something is a beat em up doesnt mean its a god of war knock off
And this video implies it when?
The irony considering God of War itself is pretty much a ripoff of Devil May Cry.
Yeah, because it's not like this is one of the first things he clarifies in this very video or something...
Actually DMC and GOW are both Onimusha ripoffs, DMC wasn't the first hack and slash to exist lmao
@@killyridols72826 Literally doesn't matter. Onimusha came out only a few months before the first DMC so let's not grasp at straws here, bot games were in development at the same time. DMC ultimately popularized the genre and put it on the map, not Onimusha. That's the difference.
@@trainofthough0242 The genre was still niche in the early 2000s dude, back then ppl just called those games brawlers/beat em' ups, DMC1 didn't popularize it, DMC3 and GOW1 did
And let's say you're right GOW is a DMC ripoff, why GOW combat is completely different to DMC then? idk if you ever played other games but GOW combat is a carbon copy of Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden. There's no block, counter, two input combos, omnidirectional dodge or air juggle in DMC1, but you can do all of that in Ninja Gaiden. Only combat mechanic GOW took from DMC was the High Time attack and that's all, everything else is completely different
For the darksiders bossfights , you can just hit Tiamat with your sword and for the spider you can use your dodge to close the distance more often and use wrath attacks to do more damage
To do that, you need some brains. It looks like this guy doesn't 😂
now, god of war is a knock-off of the "3rd person over the shoulder immersive cinematic story" focused games,how the turn-tables lol
God of War is a Devil May Cry knockoff. Change my mind
Counterpoint, it's not, change my mind.
God Of War doesn't have a style system
Castlevania had already been doing that 3d hack and slash since Lament of Innocence back in 2003 before GOW.
god of war is by definition a DMC knock-off as god of war is a character action game and DMC invented the character action genre its dumbed down but still a knock-off just like how Bayo is a DMC knock-off however that's not to say that's a bad thing imitation is the highest form of flattery but you cant deny that its the truth
this is the doom clone situation all over again
I have news for you, DMC is a Onimusha knock off, and if you play Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden Black you'll see that those two games were the base for GOW combat mechanics not DMC. Also the first ever character action was Strider and that game was also an inspiration for DMC. Overall hack and slash is a really old genre that started in 2D action games and evolved to 3D action-adventure. But no, DMC didn't invent the wheel
@@killyridols72826 yes it did it you said it yourself "started in 2D action games and evolved to 3D" DMC was the first character action game this is not argued as character action in itself is a genera defined by DMC
by your logic wolfinstine 3D was not the first FPS because asteroid was a game where you shoot things and wolfinstine just made it first person therefore asteroid was the "real" original FPS
also check your facts it would be kinda hard for GOW to be inspired by a game that came out 6 months after GOW
@@elapidpython4378 First 3D character action was Onimusha there's even older 3D character action games/hack and slash like Berserk for Dreamcast, Dynasty Warriors 2 and Nightmare Creatures. And og Ninja Gaiden was first released in march 2004, exactly a year before GOW 1
@@elapidpython4378Ninja Gaiden from 2004 is the same as Ninja Gaiden Black bruh. It came a year before and it has the exact same control scheme as God of War 1. DMC1 has no air juggles, parrys, counters, blocking, grabs, magic, finishers, and all of those combat mechanics come from Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden. DMC 1 and 2 are 60% shooting even the final boss in DMC1 is a bullet hell. DMC invented "shooter slashers" but 3D hack and slash dates from Soul Reaver, Nightmare Creatures, Onimusha and Dynasty Warriors 2. And before 3D hack and slash existed we had 2D hack and slash, Strider's DNA is present in every single hack and slash game to date, from GOW, to MGR to DMC, to NG etc.
But even then the first 3D hack and slash would be Soul Reaver which inspired Onimusha. Do a little research dude, Kamiya himself admitted he took inspirations both from Strider and Onimusha, he even said that the High Time attack was a copy of the uppercut slash in Onimusha, they only added shooting to an already existing formula
Darksiders 2 is the best game ever I played that game so many times.
Since you asked for the Tiamat Boss you actually can just melee her after the bombs are gone, her stun state is triggered by damage in general you don't have to use the crossblade, it's safe but slow whereas stick and moving with melee is risky but fast.
Silitha actually doesn't have that much health it's just she has a lot of poorly communicated phase transitions that make it seem like she has more health than she really does. Roughly one combo not even a full one will progress one phase and once that damage quota is met she seems to become immune until you hookshot her again, which is why she seems to have a lot of health but really doesn't. I've consistently been able to kill her quickly with only a small handful of basic attacks on multiple playthroughs but landing the more damaging stuff doesn't make the fight go any faster. Also for as intimidating as her attacks are you actually have more time than it appears to dodge so long as you don't succumb to deer in headlights syndrome and or dodge in the wrong direction, I.E. don't dodge directly backwards for her lunging attack dodge to the side. Think of her as less fo a boss and more of a timing/pattern puzzle, that simple change in mentality takes her from very hard to cakewalk.
I know you probably won't replay the game but you asked if you were doing anything wrong so I figured I'd at least try to answer that to the best of my ability, since I've played through the game multiple times.
Thank you for acknowledging the Darksiders is just no a GoW clone and its a good enough game. People really miss that fact!
Ngl Dante's Inferno's combat is the love child of GoW and DmC, the combat is as fluid and grotesques as GoW but it has the Sword and Gun buttons which is the Scythe and Cross respectively like DmC.
As much as I love GoW, it is a knockoff of another series involving a Dante. GoW is a complete knockoff of Devil May Cry. If you are familiar with both series and deny it, I would contend that you are just a bit biased. That being said, they are both fantastic franchises.
Ahhh yes. A blue hedgehog is definitely a God of War knock off.
And Animal Crossing is a Devil May Cry knock off
Darksiders is literally one of my favorite games of all time
I basically skipped all the way to the mystery game. I won’t spoil it here but it’s from a franchise I truly love still to this day. And personally you could say the whole trilogy is a god of war ripoff.
Honestly I'd recommend running it back, the points he covers are well fleshed out and it's an intriguing watch. 👊
@@crewie94 I’m gonna take a look at them eventually. I’m especially interested in the sonic unleashed comparison. One of my personal favourite sonic games.
I love DotD and it upsets me it gets overlooked just because it's part of a trilogy. It has its issues with jank animations and not good voice aching, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't love it. Edit: Spelling. The story, characters, soundtrack, and gameplay more than make up for the cons the game has
@@dillanschmidt7459 Hey, how many times the guy gotta ask for no Schmoilers? 😅
@@crewie94 I never said I wouldn't spoil it, but I will abbreviated it to DotD. That should be good enough. I can gush about the game all day, because I believe it to genuinely be good and underrated
Yeah, that happened to me too in Unleashed, the whole shock wave knocking you off the building. Best way to avoid that is to simply get away from it as it's preparing to jump instead of just continuing to whale on it. Then just jump over the incoming shockwave, get back in and continue attacking.
You technically can block the jump but not without enough shield meter as it'll just eat through the shield if that's the case. You'll also probably still get hit by his jumping while doing aerial combos, further solidifying that the best tactic against that move is just to simply back off.
Yes, Sonic Unleashed is one of my favorite games of all time and no, I don't intend to criticize how you play or feel about the game. I just wanted to point it out. I absolute love Chip for the reasons you say you hate him for as a character so I just disagree in that regard and that's great! I do agree in that the game could've used more revising as I didn't even consider how much it would've benefitted or not from excluding the lives system!
I completely respect and appreciate your opinion.
Ngl the part where he rage quit was the most avoidable attack too
It straight up has a long ass charge up before jumping so I’m confused why he had so much trouble with it
Just be thankful he quit at Empire City.
Eggmanland and the endgame bosses would’ve broken him…
Think your assesment of Unleashed's Daytime Stages are the most legit analysis I've seen of standard Sonic gameplay from a newcomer. Also, as someone who loves Unleashed, no one will blame you for calling it quits in Skyscraper Scamper cause even before that final enemy encounter, falling into instant death was the norm for that level. The saddest part is, Empire City isn't even plot relevant...like at all.
Great video, Lords of Shadow is my personal favorite due to its amazing sense of adventure, the gameplay is sadly not on GoW's level though. The sequel has great combat so hopefully you cover that on part 2.
@Mobile Gaming Town M.G.T. that gameplay is simply incredible. Hopefully he covers it in part 2
I felt fucking powerless as Dracula lol. Was getting my ass handed to me by fodder Demons
The sense of adventure for sure. And the amazing soundtrack to go along with it.
David Jaffe is still one of the most influential game designers who ever lived.
And yet he can't play a Metroid game to save his life.
Except for the stupid shit he's been recently saying
Too bad he lost his mind and became a crazy foul mouthed SJW.
Eww. No. He's never evolved.
Also, I remember back in the day with these games when another idiot once said the maker of Angry birds was the same... :/
Did you know God of war is a knockoff of Ninja gaiden/black from og Xbox? It's true, the devs said it in an old interview for game informer, IIRC, that ninja gaiden was their biggest inspiration and they tried to do things as well as team ninja did. Turns out they far surpassed team ninja and my favorite action game of all time. And they did an awesome job at it.
Finally someone who actually knows about GOW influences. Yes GOW combat is based on Ninja Gaiden and Onimusha. But a lot of Hideki Kamiya fanboys still think that DMC was the biggest inspiration, but DMC and GOW have completely different combat systems lmao
Darksiders combos can mix and matched. The fact that you just spammed the air spin shows your lack of imagination to fully use the sandbox that is given to the player
you mean Devil May Cry knockoff knockoffs?
DMC is a Onimusha knock off too bruh, so it'd be the knock off knock off knock offs
Dispite them being knockoffs or took huge inspiration of God of war. I gotta say I love the games. Specially castlevania lords of shadow series. It's a series that actually got me into castlevania in general and helps with the fact it's a hack n slash with deep story and characters, lore. Definitely what got me into it. Also love darksiders. All I gotta say. Still waiting on strife stand alone game.
With him being a gunslinger character. I wonder if it be a first person shooter game lol. Would make sense. But thing is. I feel if they did that for strife they probably be taking inspiration from doom and shadow warrior alot. Though regardless I think they need to bring the game series back to hack n slash genre like darksiders 1 or 2. I loved 3. But I like the hack n slash style gameplay in 1 and 2. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they took inspiration from devil may cry to extent. Like God of War. Devil may cry also defined the hack n slash genre.
I always felt like Darksiders 1 and 3 are in some form insipired by Devil May Cry.
Also to that Strife game, I can see it as a 3rd person over the shoulder shooter more likely.
Because even though Strife is a Gunslinger, in DS Genesis we can see that Strife is capable of holding on his own with melees
The rest I understand but I still don't get unleashed
I think Strife would have to loose his guns at some point, if you know what I mean. xD
When you realize God of War is a knockoff of DMC in a way
The devs admitted this too
Let's not pretend God of War invented this kind of gameplay
TBH I think GOW itself is a knock off of devil may cry
Both DMC and GOW are Onimusha knock offs
I hate when people pretend genres don't exist
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Not really, the most fondly remembered Sonic stories, dialogue and scenes come from stuff like the Adventure games and Black Knight, which makes you go "damn, they didn't need to go so hard for a family friendly mascot game but they did", i find Unleashed's story to be OK, but not nearly as high as the bar the series set for itself previously
Agreed, The Dialogue and Characterization of Sonic in Unleashed is just “Good” for me. Not Great but not Bad.
I’d say it’s at its best in Adventure 2 and Black Knight, SA1 is too goofy and kinda stupid imo.
I agree about the Adventure games but Black Knight?
@@SomeoneThatIsHappyTowards the end of the game sonic tells merlina (The girl u help through the game) that "Every world has its end, I know that's kinda sad but...that's why you gotta live life in the time we have, at least thats what I figure." Moments like these in the "dark age" sonic games are what made the fans miss that serious tone they to it. Nowadays sonic calling eggman bald mcnose hair and laughing about fart jokes...speaks for itself. Also earlier in that game knuckles was about to commit seppuku
I think you meant 21:43
As has been stated I'd love to see the sequels/special editions of Dante's Inferno (St Lucia), Darksiders 2/3, and Lords of Shadow
the description is misleading it was Devil May Cry and the popularity of Devil May Cry that Spawn God of War and similer games in the Hack and Slash Genre and if you wanna take it a step further games like Diablo Medievil also inspired the creators of Devil May Cry and God of War
Castlevania has a long history of 3D games dating back to the Nintendo 64. In fact, one of my favorites, lament of Innocence, was in production and released before the first God of war. God of war took a lot of liberties with that game's combat system. And Lords of shadows combat system is way deeper than any God of war game. And people always tend to forget about devil May cry being years ahead of any god of war game. God of war was not the first one to do in over the top action game and it's quite annoying that every third person action game gets compared to it. It's a fantastic IP but it's the Duke nukem of third person action games. Kratos is comically over the top.
And people always forget Onimusha is older than Devil May Cry, both GOW and DMC are Onimusha ripoffs
@@killyridols72826 You see my friend? You're doing what this fanboy does calling a game on the same Genre a ripoff for the game that before it.
Darksiders is one of my favorite series of all time I love the first two so much I haven’t put enough time into the third game to have an opinion on it and haven’t played genesis yet but the lore is also incredible
lords of shadow 1 is incredible; when you're good at the game, everything comes together to make you feel like a basadd that will beat the absoute shit out of anything in your way. The presentation reinforces this through body language and the Heart of Darkness flavored narrative and i think it is masterfully done. I honestly felt more like doomguy with a whip than any of the previous Belmonts.
Also, my thoughts on the blocking and dodging mechanic avoiding the right stick is that it ensures that your thumb is always on an attack button to incentivize aggressive play.
Spot on!
It's much better than dantes inferno.
Lords of shadows will always be one of my favorites. All 3
Agreed, I don’t really agreed with most of the points he says
Darksiders was a great game and far from a knock off
Hack and slash game = GOW clone apparently
Games are so interesting like this. Devil May Cry was a big genre defining game that got a lot of its own knockoffs, but it also led to unique games that simply took inspiration while creating something unique, like God of War, and then GoW in turn got it's own set of knock-offs, that in some sense, can still be traced back to DMC. It's a weird sort of pipeline. Also it's funny to me that Castlevania had a DMC game (Lament of Innocence) and a GoW game.
Darksiders 2 was fantastic. Darksiders 3, I gave up on.
How come?
@@Maesterful idek. It got hella confusing for some reason. I would like to revisit it. I still have ps4 so I might try it out again
Darksiders 1 and 2 were my favorites man, they were fun games imo
just going through Darksiders, loving the combat especially bouncing enemies off the floor
That moment when God of War is a Devil May Cry knockoff…
Lol Jaffe the creator said it himself too
It wasn't, both GOW and DMC are Onimusha knock offs, if you actually play Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden you'll see that those two games were the base for GOW combat mechanics
@@MILDMONSTER1234he said it was the feeling of power they were ripping off from DMC not the combat, combat system is completely different in both games
Darksiders 1 reminded me more of a dark Zelda game than a God of War knockoff.
Lord's of Shadow was fantastic! One of my favorite games ever. It tells the story of a man who gave up everything to save the woman he loves, only to be bitterly deceived in the end. Also, the pencil sketch style of artwork in the beastiary is mind blowing. Epic game.
Epic, yes. The soundtrack alone is godlike.
The Darksiders series are all masterpieces.
Big Sonic fan. I love Sonic Unleashed. I am happy you covered this game. I never had that many issues with the day levels outside of maybe one or two. I am okay with the life system. I never actually saw the game over screen but I never seen people struggle like this. It's interesting. I'm so used to this game and design and other Sonic games. So this game is easy to me. Once again, I am happy you did this game.
Also I love the Werehog too even if the levels can be long and there is too many fighting at times but I like it. I love the day levels more but he might stages were very well done.
Bro what in the fuck….i never knew that game existed nor did i expect it to be a dmc clone lol. PS. DMC started that style of hack n slash gameplay mixed in with puzzle solving. Even God of War should be considered a clone of it
Been looking for a comment like this
I was like ugh darksiders isn't really a knock off, and you agreed .....so great
I like how he said “Oh man, he sounds like Mark Hamill’s The Joker.” while I was thinking the EXACT same thing.
I can't seem to get where these titles are supposed to be a knock off? If these are a knock off from GoW then everything said at the beginning of the video about GoW not being a DMC clone is invalid.
Bruh...come on.
he need those clicks
Darksiders is my absolute favorite franchise! So awesome. I love all games.
Ironically the sonic unleashed last Gen ports don’t have the sun and moon medal requirement but split the night levels into thirds so the night time levels are even more abundant and have a less conventional combat system as it was designed to be used with the Wiimoat and nunchuck
I don't think there's anyting wildly revolutionary about God of War. Stylized combat was already a thing with Devil May Cry before GOW even dropped.
Devil May Cry didn't create stylized combat. That idea was first introduced in Strider and Onimusha, and both games influenced Devil May Cry
I like this series. I'm an old 50something gamer. Every decade or so, a game shapes all the other games to come after. The 80s were Space Invaders/Galaxian and Pac-Man clones. The 90s were Final Fight/Street fighter clones. God of War was that game.
I played Dante's Inferno once. I remember enjoying it at the time, but it was missing that something that made me want to play it again. Some of it was that an hour into it, my first thought was "this is just Baby God of War"... and GOW still was releasing sequels regularly. And I liked GOW more.
Although its existence as a shameless GOW clone is what people remember, I appreciate how you revisit it (and the other games) with care and depth...explicating all it's strengths and shortcomings. Well done.
dantes inferno was awesome
I think Bayonetta is the combination of both DMC and GoW. The game act like GoW with wider hitbox wider range attack, heavy and light attack combo and QTE and platformer, but the feel almost like DMC because some move designed to air combo opener, dodge offset that act like cancels similar to Jump cancels etc.
I personally found Castlevania better than the GOW games, the length being a plus back then being a poor student 😂
The enemy variety was fantastic i remember
The sequel though 🤢
I actually really liked the sequel. The forced stealth and dumb sections like that were eh but the combat continued to be good and I liked being Dracula lol
For Tiamat, the only good aspect about her fight is her intro cutscene. That entire scene has amazing atmosphere. The lack of music with the sounds of rain on top of a church with Tiamat's thunderous leaps and wing flaps. Then top off her speech is War's one liner.
Dante's inferno was a very fun game to play. I wish they would've made a 2nd one. One if my all time favorite games
Good on you for making a video about a franchise you’re proud of. It takes a lot of time and effort to make these and a strong passion. There are going to be those that disagree however, and I unfortunately disagree with most, if not the whole premise of the video. Especially when the claim is that if a game takes inspiration from God of War and replicates certain aspects, then its deemed a knock off, but if God of War does the same, it took inspiration from its predecessors. I don’t have anything against the God of War, but thats a pretty arrogant claim. As one who designs and builds games in hopes to release one in the future, there’s already a huge feeling for the need to be original and not copy something existing. It gets to the point where you question if you actually came up with an interesting original idea or if you just missed something obscure and later, the masses will start calling your creation a clone or a knock off. Frankly, its incredibly insulting to those who put the effort in to making something fun, its discouraging to those of us who are trying to take steps to one day make something that could be great like God of War, and, unless the distinction between two titles was so blurred that it would border plagiarism, I would be more flattered that someone took inspiration from a game I made rather than brush it off as a simple knock off. Like I said, I know making videos takes a lot of time and effort, but try not to brush off the efforts of those putting in arguably more time and more effort themselves. Unless I grossly misinterpreted the intention of your video, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Okay, so I'm going to try and level with you. I understand that it must be frustrating as a game developer to constantly have your work be compared to that of other people's. But with all due respect, I think you've fallen at the first hurdle here in that you're taking this video way too seriously. It was never supposed to be a serious assessment on a game's worthiness to exist based around its inspirations. The fact is, this is just a video meant to highlight how God of War inspired the industry for a time, because I think it's interesting to see how games that take heavy inspiration from a popular title are able to separate themselves. But more than anything, this video is just supposed to be light entertainment. To your claim about arrogance, I'll just say this, inspiration is a spectrum. You see, I'm using knockoff as a find and replace for the phrase "heavily inspired" because knockoff is a much snappier way to put it. It admittedly makes some things get lost in translation, but that's the price you pay for being succinct. I think it's fairly self-evident what quantifies being inspired, and what quantifies being heavily inspired. God of war and Devil May Cry play similarly, but they feel much different. God of War didn't "do the same thing" as Devil May cry. Contrarily, Dante's Inferno plays the same and has many identical elements to god of war including the HUD. But in keeping with the theme about not taking this too seriously, I said multiple times in the video, who cares as long as it's good? Basically, I understand where you're coming from, and I respect your point, but I think you've grabbed the wrong end of the wrong stick here, and I think you need to take a step back and really question if any of this even matters. Because really, it's all just entertainment.
@@TBP Im glad you replied. It appears that I simply misunderstood your intentions and for that I apologize as do I thank you for taking the time to clarify for me. I greatly appreciate when someone can take an objective stance on something, separate personal bias, and acknowledge the lineage it derives details and characteristics from, whilst also giving credit to the unique take a creator has put forth in their own design. Thanks again for the clarification, best of luck in your future videos, and heres hoping the next God of War title slaps like the rest 😁
PS: Also, I appreciate your level headed response compared to most who jump to rage. Lol. Wasn’t looking for conflict, was just addressing an issue that hurts some developers.
I'm glad we were able to come to an understanding. I hope my message didn't come across as condescending in any way. I have that problem sometimes.
Oh Look, someone who wants Sonic games to be on baby mode because he doesn’t wanna put in the work to get good. Play Sonic Colors or Generations, they’re more your speed.
Can’t believe they made a Belmont into Dracula. How insulting. At least the DmC Reboot game still respect the game’s original lore by following the characters’ originality.
I find Belmont turning into Dracula more tragic than insulting, with all the flaws that 2 may have it didn't shy away on how Gabriel pretty much suffered and keeps suffering in the sequel.
I personally think this kinda storytelling is a bit more refreshing than the same song and dance we were used to in the past Castlevania games.
I mean, they made DmC Dante the offspring of a Demon and an Angel which is a very massive departure from mainline Dante which is the offspring of a Human and a Demon, and that change affected some of the themes and relatability of the original lore.
Darksiders is the only God Of War clone I liked the most,but wasn’t just a hack and slash game. It also had that Zelda style of gameplay too.
Dante's inferno was a truly excellent game with a fantastic story and cool boss fights such a shame EA didn't do more.
It's weird how a lot of games back in the day took gameplay influence from old GOW, but then GOW decides to take gameplay influence from Last of Us
Story/Structure influence. Combat are nothing alike
honestly, lords of shadow is top tier imo... tho that could be the nostalgia talking since i played this at such a young age. either way, still love it to this day, heck, even the sequel too.
You know your game is great when there is that much knokoffs that are also good
I almost never play games like these but damn Darksiders 2 is great
Honestly Castlevania being a God of War clone is pretty fitting. Ninja Gaiden being a hack n slash is proof that 2D action games can use that formula to transition in a way that makes sense. I mean Ninja Gaiden is basically fast Castlevania
You know There's a Hack And Slash Castlevania game before GOW?
It's called Lament Of Innocence
@@ABDZA313 I'm aware, which is why it makes sense to take inspiration from God of War. It expands on what I am saying, thanks for pointing that out. I was just using Ninja Gaiden because Lament of Innocence is pretty mixed as far as the fanbase, and the Xbox Ninja Gaiden games are held in high regard.
hack and slash = God of War knockoff 🤓
Exactly, fanboys.
Can’t get enough god of war on this channel am I right? This franchise is definitely amazing overall!
lo no
The interesting thing about the Easy Mode in Darksiders is that it actually tends to feel harder than Normal difficulty. Even the Achievement for it asked "That was easy?"
Dantes inferno was great it's a crime it never was continued