The Science Behind Steins;Gate, and How does Steins;Gate 0 Fit In?
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2017
- CORRECTION: Unfortunately, with the way Steins;Gate 0 was adapted, I can no longer recommend the watch order I mention in this video. Despite creating 23 β to lead into 0, the ending assumes you've seen all of the OG series. I apologize for anyone whose enjoyment was affected.
The time travel in Steins;Gate makes for good TV, but is it sound science? Surprisingly yes! Well, mostly. Despite most anime being pretty "out there," Steins;Gate bases its plot devices off of actual scientific theory. I'll try to explain how the show mixes in the concepts of strange attractors, the Black Hole theory, and the Many Worlds Interpretation.
Also, with Steins;Gate 0, there's a new watch order! Do you have the mental fortitude to suffer through Steins;Gate again?
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Steins Gate 0 is a lot more hell for Okabe than Stein Gate.
Pro trick : you can watch series at Flixzone. Me and my gf have been using them for watching loads of movies these days.
@Emory Bodhi yea, have been using flixzone} for months myself :D
@Emory Bodhi yea, been using flixzone} for years myself =)
@@ameertrace2253 jeezus YT can't just block a bunch of comment using a blacklist? Cant believe this is still a problem lmao
@@Skullnezz it propably will stay this way forever, YT doesnt care about that :/
Honestly, just thinking of the new watch order gave me chills
Having to rewatch all the sadness and depression from S;G & S;G0 BEFORE the sweet sweet end of S;G is HELLA masochistic. Its like reading emergence....
I did that for my first ever watch though... Cried like a bitch but enjoyed the series it was so good getting the end you want after all that suffering crying and cool moments like the 3000 time leaps
I watched it in that watch order, and I would say it’s was better that just watching just without the watch order
I guess I'm a masochist since I watched the whole anime in the "correct" order for my first time.
it was fcking lit tho.
idk if i am right in my order, stein gate > steing gate 0 > stein gate movie > ova I think my progress is less suffering.
same hear
@@kuyaheavy3212 Doesn't the movie borrow concepts from episode 25 (ova) though? IMO watching the movie last is a great way to get some closure.
Yea and that mf caused me sleepless nights.... Now i dunno how to recover
@@kuyaheavy3212 When people say correct order or the "Chronological Order" They mean S;G 1-22 > 23b > All of S;G 0 > S;G 23-24 >. People meme at this order because after watching Okabe suffer in Season 1; you do not get closure until the end of S;G 0 (Where Okabe suffers WAY more) *then* you can finally watch season 1 23-24.
"If anything i said was wrong, i must've stuttered" so glad i found this video and your channel
You’re really underwatched, very good content
I just thought of this... or rather, it bugged me for awhile.
About the "false" D-mail that Okabe tried to open but saw only static.
Couldn't it have been a form of image, or temporal in this case, ghosting?
Like in this case, instead of light... it's a text/video message.
See, the reason I feel this might explain things(maybe) is that the Milky Way Crossing takes place in an unmarked Beta World Line. It's the Line that 0 Okabe brute forced into existence in order to allow enough cracks for Operation Skuld, Arc Light(Aquila), and Altair to even happen. Cuz, yeah, *ALOT* of D-mails were sent back in time, as well as what 0 Okabe did at the very end in 2025.
I guess, I'd have to start with "deja vu" and "Reading Steiner".
The latter is defined as Okabe's ability to consistently retain *AND* recall memories from one world line to the next. If you've ever seen the movie, then Kurisu posits that Reading Steiner is actually a form of Deja vu. Outside of the film, this was actually demonstrated with other characters in form or another....just not to the extent that Okabe displays.
His Reading Steiner is closer to a form of, what would I would refer to anyway, as "quantum eidetic memory" rather than deja vu proper.
Now, why does this matter?
Simple.
Deja vu is generally thought of as memories of past actions being elicited via stimuli of a close enough state to the past when/whatever that your brain calls up those fragmented memories as "familiar enough to evoke the whole deja vu thing".
Oh? But what about world lines?
Simple. The same phenomena, but on a quantum scale.
Generally, world lines exist as hypothetical wave states of "reality" that exist in an "unobserved state". That is, they remain "what ifs" provided that no shift occurred. However, 0 proves that world lines can--and do---shift naturally.
It's similar to decoherence, where two universes are out of phase and become mutually exclusive worlds.
But in the case of Steins;Gate/0 world lines replace other world lines and reality, experiences et al, occupy the same spacetime, or container that is the "observed world". That's why only one "reality" can play out(be observed) at any one time.
Deja vu, and by extension Reading Steiner, at least in theory, operate under the assumption that world line flashbacks are treated in a similar fashion to the brain recalling fragments of elicited memories from past world lines, sometimes seen as "bad dreams", even after the change from one world line to the next.
In Okabe's case, his brain is wired in such a way that what would normally be an unconscious process somehow turned into a full blown overclocked conscious state(implied to have been related to a childhood event iirc).
In the case of the weird D-mail that wasn't playable. One could hypothesize that the future in 0 and the past of the first game were atrempting to cohere; a state whereby it is possible for two universes to interact with one another... Normally, this wouldn't work in the Steins;Gate setting because only one world line at a time should exist as "reality".
However, I assert that that isn't exactly what's going on.
Strictly speaking, it'd be more accurate to say that only one Attractor Field can be active at any one time.
The domains of past, present, and future may actually be subtly out of phase with one another provided the gap is big enough.(Alpha Suzuha outright alludes to this in her explanation of world lines)
This really only matters with "present" and "future" though, it's kind of a non issue where the "past" is concerned.
However from 0's perspective Steins;Gate's events, up until Okabe gives up *is* "the past", and is therefore observed as part of "the same reality", Okabe being the key as a "universal observer".
However, the 0 future of 2025, Milky Way Crossing, exists in an unknown beta world line separated by 15 years of an "unobserved future reality".
Normally, they'd be out of phase and interaction shouldn't be possible, but!
1. The events of Steins;Gate are "observed" as the same by Okabe regardless of the differences in world line Divergence and relative temporal placement.
2. Both the "past" and the "future" belong to the same Beta Attractor Field. This posits that direct cross world line interference is possible so long as the two world lines both exist within the same Attractor Field *AND* are subtly in phase within the same temporal axis.
This is why point 1 is important.
The "present" is observed to be "the same" even across world lines.
3. This can therefore likely explain 0's story... (it involves cross world line D-mails that illustrates what I'm trying to explain...)
It also explains why cross Attractor Field interactions aren't possible. Those worlds are completely out of phase. Deja vu is possible, but not direct interaction like with D-mail or time travel. They're essentially too far apart.
The blank video D-mail was likely an echo from 15 years from the future of the unknown world line of Milky Way Crossing as 0's Okabe attempted to pull the 2 world lines closer in phase via Operations Skuld and Arc Light(Aquila).
The point was, from 0's perspective, rewrite the past, but from the first game's point of view, since 0 hadn't occurred via convergence, then it was the same as all past shifts.
0 would, despite still technically existing, be effectively pushed off stage and out of phase with observed reality as legit.
I suspect the blank D-mail was a byproduct of pulling two separate world lines closer in phase, with the loopholes of being "observed as the same" by Okabe, the gap of 15 years within the same Attractor Field that allows such an environment of two differing world lines to exist "simultaneously" and attempt interaction using convergence loopholes(time travel).
Rather than being bound by immutability of time, I would argue for there being mechanisms at play that just don't come up out loud in the series most times.
TL;DR
See Okabe's D-Rine to himself that unlocks the True End.
Just my thoughts anyway.
sleepyprinny term-paper material.
Kevin Portillo
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sleepyprinny The comment is consice enough to be turn in as a term paper project for a final grade or a capstone subject.
Kevin Portillo
Ah.
Nah, well...I'm just kinda familiar with some of the concepts...and I'm just making hypotheses based on that knowledge and Steins;Gate's setting.
aravind karthik
Steins;Gate 0 does do that.
The 0 Okabe is a *very* different person from the S:G Okabe.
After all, a year did go by, and by the time he himself properly interacts with his past self, he was already on a different, unknown Beta worldline.
It was from that worldline that he would interfere with the worldlines seen in Steins;gate 0's Mayuri route for Operation Arclight and then to 2010 in the split moment befire divergence occurs after 0 Mayuri leaves... Operation Skuld.
This is all done concurrently from the perspective of that unknown 2025.
Strictly speaking, those three points are only connected and recognized as a singular chain of events through observation.
Up until that point, they were three distinct realities that normally would have nothing to do with eachother aside from occupying the same local spacetime.
Worldlines exits in states relative to where they are in timei and are separate until observed as a single coherent experience.
I had doubts watching a video with less than 451, boy you butchered my doubts and I thank you for that.
I’m totally going to watch in the new watch order because I love suffering.
Fantastic video by the way, I’ve watched a bunch of yours and they’re all really good! You deserve way more subs! (But now you have one more!)
This is really good
I watched the first 22 episodes of steins gate and then the entirety of steins gate 0 then the last 2 episodes of steins gate and wow it was a lot of pain but I feel the ending payoff was crazy better than just watching steins gate throughout simply because in steins gate 0 we see the okabe that didn’t go through with saving kurisu not to mention the last couple episodes where we see all the jumps okabe had to do… this show became arguably my favorite of all time because of the amazing characters and the insane story. My only gripe is that I wish I started this show sooner
I just recently ended the series as a new watcher and i followed the order that Many suggested of watching sg0 after e22 and then returning to e23, i found It "easy" to understand, as sg0 could be considered episode 22.5, It is an alternate story, that concludes on episode 23 and gives an explanation to the ending of the og series that i think in the other order would have let me confused for a while.
Im grateful i watched this new order because that way the ending of the og series does not spoil sg0, you can enjoy the whole travel with the mistery of whats gonna happen in the end untouched, and It makes It a more enjoyable journey, as well as sg0 helping you understand the ending more easily, as well as enriching the experience.
Good video bro
I think the word "timeline" should be replaced by "worldline".
I feel so because "Timeline" which means listing of events in a chronological manner and could be a word that the General theory of Relativity doesn't use.
The word "timeline" sounds very limited but "worldline" sounds less limited and it gives me more choices of words for me, in my opinion
"World-line" already exist in physics but it means something different
Great video 👍🔝
Let us take a moment to appreciate the amount of work that went into making and editing this video...
I also loved that parts of Steins;Gate are founded in actual science. Being a physics enthusiast myself the show gave me a lot to read about, especially Rotating Kerr Black Holes. Thankfully Steins;Gate i could follow the plot really easily which is a first for me in a timetravel series... that said though i could have never put to words the explanations i had in my head as well as you did just now. Your video was absolutely awesome
I find it a bit sad that people expect Steins;Gate 0 to be as good of an adaptation as the original without question. Steins;Gate's original VN was very linear, hence why it translated into anime very well-- but Steins;Gate 0, however, is the farthest thing *from* linear. The odds of it working well as an anime are much lower.
We'll have to see, ultimately... I just wish that VNs as a whole were more readily accepted over here, many VN anime adapts are essentially butchered shells of what they once were due to structure or length.
I'm pretty hesitant due to this very reason. It was worse when everyone thought it was just 13 episodes, but it looks like they'll adapt at least 2 routes in 2 cours. You're right that VNs in general are hard to adapt, and even so people are already underwhelmed at 0 compared to the original series. Doesn't mean we can't hope though!
So far isn't so good...
Steins;Gate adaptation was great.
But Steins;Gate 0? Oh, I'm afraid about that one. They already screwed up at some points.
@@TitorEPK Bit late to this conversation but I just finished the VN of Steins;Gate 0 and have yet to watch the anime. I can't imagine how one can expect a perfect adaptation from S;G0 compared to how good S;G was (For the most part.) It front loads a big info dump at the start (which is fine for a VN but not so much an anime) and the plot requires seeing some of the same conversations over and over. I think it'll "work" but not quite as cleanly as the original S;G did.
@@ShelvedGamer my issue with the anime is poor production value and fan service. Nearly everyone had oversized boobs for no reason. I was not expecting the same level of adaptation as the Steins;Gate, and was definitely not comparing the two.
By now, I don't even remember if there were any issues with plot, especially because I didn't make it past 7th episode.
@@ShelvedGamer lmao holy shit it's such an old comment. I thought it was a more recent one, because I remember having one a month or two ago. lol
So yeah, as you can see, not much has changed for me since I posted that comment, I still don't like it and I never even finished watching it
Watch Steins;Gate - Load Region of Deja Vu movie after episode 25.
Who says it;s not canon?
Okabe was not in a parallel world he was in a different world line altogether, and whenever he jumped to that world line his existence from all other world lines was erased. That's why the world lines became stable. Okabe never existed in two world lines at the same time, He was having Deja Vu's from the Steins;Gate world line. The Ova and the movie is canon in the anime series. You can't make an official continuation or even a spinoff without the actual author or authors approval. Despite that, it's a good movie worth watching.
no the movie is not canon, see steins;gate wiki
This is rather good. I attempted to articulate the science in a video a while ago, but it ended up being hopelessly muddled and confusing. There are simply too many moving parts. But one simple concept that can be discussed is how many “time lines” are active at any point in time(sic).
To put it in another way, are all the time lines active, or is there only one active time line. IN the 1st season the initial descriptions imply all time lines are active and a change causes a new time line to be created if it does not already exist. This video state that is not the case and the series seems to imply this later in the season. This 2nd definition states only one time line is active at any one time(sic). What is the answer?
In Season 2, or Steins gate 0, Okeba specifically says that, even though Muyuri is dead in that world line, she was alive elsewhere. We can argue all the specific clues to indicate which is true or not, but I feel the series changes its mind when it suits the plot. We also need to understand this is a visual novel, which firmly gives the viewer the impression there is only one active time line. The theories of John Tidor imply the many active world line theory is correct. The result is a bit of a conflict.
This is only a minor issue, the TV-Series is still excellent, but I tend to try and work out the logic of the story to assist me in following it. I feel this question has a very unclear answer.
A good example of this is Suzuha disappearing when Okabe saves Kurisu. Why did she disappear after they returned, why didn’t they immediately disappear. Also, if this causes her to disappear, why didn’t she disappear when she went back to get the 5100 earlier in season 1. She made a change, even if it was very minor. IN order to support a time machine you need to assume all world lines are active and when you make a change, it creates a new world line. But using that theory Suzuha does not disappear. The mind games can lead you in a dazed and confused state, but I love this type of stuff.
A few days back i read unaired episodes of steins;gate 0 are going to be released next year (2022) its truly the choice of steins gate , i really can't contain my joy right now
I wonder if the endless sea of probabilities and what ifs from which the world lines are constructed, is also the Dirac sea mentioned in Chaos;Head
I see your correction in the description but just wanted to add that: I feel if the artists wanted to viewers to watch the show in that order, they would have prepared it that way. The show was masterly designed so I do not think people should watch it in any order but the way intended. Awesome video!
6000 views??? Great vid :)
Rewatching this video rn, and I just wanted to say, if you like how Steins;Gate treats science, you should check out the other Science Adventure VNs (for the love of everything that exists do not try the anime adaptations), as they're all done in a similar way, though they all talk about different types of science fields. Chaos;Head has a fan translation patch, Chaos;Child is out on Steam, and Robotics;Notes and DaSH come out this October.
Wow that an awesome idea totaly doing this
Good luck!
Why did SG0 Okabe not change world lines after sending the video to his past self? Usually that stuff happens immediately, yet he didn't change world lines and even saved the girls from their time traveling fate. Anyone know how this is possible? Or am I just really stupid and not understanding something crucial here.
6:20 As somebody who read that this was the right watch order and wanted to have a genuine linear experience I did watch at my first watch. Yes I did feel like okabes suffering was just extended by one whole season and yes I was in so much pain watching okabe trying to reach "Steins;Gate" but being broken and dieing inside but that made the ending all the better.
(Would still not recommend that for the first time due to so much suffering but I will also not stop anyone who wants to have that genuine experience.)
I wish people can talk about the epsilon worldline that is shown in the visual novel "Linear Bounded Phenogram". It is around the 4% divergence. I think it's caused by what happened whenOkabe send a dmail to change the fact that Moeka is a rounder. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
El psy congroo
Awesome! Maybe I should rewatch episodes 1-22, watch 23b for the first time then watch 0 as it airs, then watch the original end plus rewatch the OVA. Wait, where does the movie come into this again?
The movie isn't really canon, but most people watch it after the OVA!
Kamimashita who says it isn't? The movie is canon to the anime not the Novels, I think, because it takes place a year after episode 25 (the ova), considering that there are world lines, it makes everything is connected in the universe as different world lines if that's the case.
Movie takes place after steins gate 0
Movie is after steins gate
Movie is after OVA (?)
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed and might be one french fry short of a happy meal....but I heard this thing called, string theory is that like the theory at 3:57 ? That rope/ string running the same direction?
Sorry, kind of confused here.
1. If Kurisu is saved, Sern goes after them and guarantees Mayurii's death.
2. If Kurisu dies, Sern does not go after them and Mayurii survives but Kurisu is dead and world war 3 is unleashed.
3. When Okabe goes back to stage the death of Kurisu so original Okabe thought she was dead, why does Mayurii not die later? Why is world war 3 no longer happening? Is it because in that timeline Okabe and Kurisu essentially never meet which means Okabe interacting Kurisu is the trigger for Mayurii's death and ww3? So in this timeline Okabe doesn't get to interact with Kurisu, shes just alive coz interacting with her leads to the death of Mayurii + ww3?
The cause of WW3 is less to do with Kirisu herself and more to do with her paper about time travel being published. Her father steals it and it would have gone up in flames with the plane crash but the Metal Opa sets off the metal detector at the airport and prevents it being destroyed. Time travel Okabe uses the toy machine before Mayuri can to nab the Metal Opa and she's stuck with a plastic green one. And Mayuri only dies because they hack into SERN and they figure out what they have been up to. Time travel Okabe will make sure never to entertain using the phone wave again or hacking SERN. That isn't to say that SERN will not figure it out on their own eventually as the Jellymen experiments proves they have tried. But for now, no one in the Steins;Gate worldline has done time travel that isn't purely theoretical.
Kuisu also throws a curve ball about how time travel works before Okabe returns to the Beta World Line. It was that parallel world's could exist even if the theory people agree on in the future denies this. I can't recall her reasoning but it was something like Reading Stiner and the attractor field theory would make Okabe God if he was the only one able to observe the changes in world lines and she didn't want him having that much control over her soul. Okabe didn't want to believe parallel world's exist since it effectively makes his journey meaningless if he choices weren't the only path. I personally liked the idea of parallel world's since it would give the other ending more meaning than What If.
lol You got it straight up wrong at 2:55
The timelines DO exist simultanously. In Steins;Gate Zero Okabe has somewhat of a flashback of the timeline he already left behind. Just to get one information or smth and then get back to his own without any of the time leap machine.
I can even more elaborate on that. When he starts operation skuld in Zero, he gets the actual video mail of himself from the future, telling him the plan. However, he gets the same video message shown by suzuha in vanilla steins;gate even though the guy in the video is Okabe from the Zero timeline. And he's telling Okabe from the vanilla timeline what he has to do.
And even after that, when vanilla okabe saves kurisu & mayuri, the zero timeline okabe still has to travel to the past to save suzuha and mayuri.
They are all simultaneously.
The amount of views is criminal. This video deserves more. Thanks for explaining the story, now it makes sense. But I would like to get one thing: in the Kagari End of Steins;Gate 0 Suzuha with Kagari travel back into the past to change it. What are they actually going for? The IBN 5100? And by the way, Kagari never appeared in original Steins;Gate nor Suzuha remembered her. Does that mean that she simply exists ONLY in Beta Worldline and Suzuhas from Alpha and Beta are completely different characters (They differ in appearance and behavior - Beta Suzuha (seen in SG 0) being serious and grumpy and Alpha (seen in original SG) being kind of childish and friendly)?
I'm one year late, but yes basically. Kagari is a war orphan in beta because her parents died in WW3, so her parents probably are still alive in alpha's future. But the most pressing issue is that Mayuri is not alive to adopt her in alpha. So she most likely didn't travel with Suzuha in the alpha worldline.
Suzuha is also the way she is in Steins;Gate 0 because she's frustrated that Okabe gave up and the time machine only has enough fuel to go back roughly a year (I believe). She's on a timer that's nearly done and Okabe is the only one who can actually solve the problem.
The way i understand It, we can take that the okabe from sg0 is the one that ends Up rescuing both suzuha and mayuri, so on that timeline there would be in the end 2 suzuhas(kid and Young) and a mayuri (15) years younger than the rest.
I watched the series in the new order and i think It is more enjoyable, It is lit af, but It was cruel returning to the steins Gate timeline, the good ending, and realizing that kagari and our Loli wont meet the gang, i dont know about the visual novel, but maybe in the og anime they didnt intend on including them both, as the series is from 2011 and sg0 from 2018.
So for me apart from the beta or Alpha timelines, the story is simplified in:
We follow the story all the way to the end of sg0, then get back to the og steins Gate and from there It differs.
For me with the new order, the okabe with wich we start the series is the one ending in sg0, and the one we watch from then ownward is the new one(aside from the beta and alfa timelines and so, which are many, we could say there is the okabe where mayuri gets shit, the one from when she gets hit by the train and so...)
So to simplify things, the main Inés for me are 2, Who get separated on e23
what happens to the okabe that uses the mind transfer machine? does he just remove the helmet and suffer the original outcome out of that time line?
Wait, what about the time travel in season 1 episode 24? How did Okabe time travel twice like that? How did the first version of him not exist while the second one did?
So I found this order of watching it before I had actually started, and I actually went through this order in my first watch. Don't have any words to describe my feeling though..
i feel like Reading Steiner does have some scientific basis. but, its part of the Stein:Gate 0 VN. so, hopefully you'll love it as I did, :D
What if Okabe send a dmail or did something that destroy the Echeleon
Time-Travel is Scary, and there are so many varriants on how to do it (Some of wich can be summed up by the word "Chronovisor" (If you dont know what that is... look it up or apply logic)) that i now have lost track.
I watched the new watchorder from the beggining, it was interesting
Ummm they were limited to 36 bytes in the vn and anime, where did you get kilobytes?
it doesn't really matter, the scale they have to deal with is still extremely small to transfer a brain scan. there's also the issue with the fact that even the smallest email is bigger than 36bytes(with all the metadata and stuff the mail server and client do exchange and you don't see 'em but they weight on the email space) and so the vn and anime would be still incorrect anyways
What was that about new episode 23?
Please make more videos! Anime Explained??? :D
Watching Steins;Gate 0's Okabe makes me think of how many parallel timeline Okabe have suffered in different ways
And one of the difference is, the many world interpretation is told by alpha Suzuha but the "one worldline can be active or coexist at one time" is said by Suzuha from beta.
I was watching steins gate in the new order before watching this and I regret BECAUSE I DIDNT get the mind blown in 0
Yes, I'm so sorry. This video was made well before 0 came out, and I didn't realize that they would kind of go the route they did. I'm appending a correction in the description.
This is why I love Steins;Gate
i might sound crazy but i didnt cry once in steins gate.
The only time travel event in the story that seems implausible to me is the world line shift caused by the Russians in steins gate 0. If the story took place in the beta world line then how would an event in the alpha world line (like Kurisu not reaching Okabe before he deletes the first d-mail) be affected? Wouldn't the event be completely erased and inaccessible?
is it okay if i do not watch sg 0
That point that at anytime their can only exist one world line!!!!!! Explained every thing. EVERYFUKINGTHING!!!! now i can explain every thing about steins gate to anyone!!!!!
I guess this is just the problem of adapting a visual novel into anime, so many things need to be left out in order to fit a schedule it just gets confusing for everyone
Soooo, would time travel like in Steins Gate be plausible in real life?
The problem with S;G 0 VN is that it doesn't follow the rules of S;G. Changes in the worldline happen for the sake of drama and new routes. The anime struggles to adapt what doesn't make sense in the first place (they could have adapted both main routes sequentially instead of mixing them, but ok). S;G 0 is a symbolic spin-off, good for drama and explaining how hard it was to open the path to Steins Gate, bad in sci-fi and following the rules previously set.
Here the movie STEINS GATE- DEJA VU says something much painful cause MAKISE really get known the pain what OKABE feels. 😭😭 The pain to loss someone again and again no matter what he do every time he loose that person.😭😭 This the PARADOX that not want to be broken by anyone.
Steins;Gate: I am mad scientist! It's so cool! Sonuvabitch!
Steins;gate 0:
Do you even S U F F E R? *suffering intensifies*
Why Are We Still Here? Just To S U F F E R?
Mad scientist to sad scientist
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I like your analysis but unfortunately in the universe of SG, the many-worlds interpretation is proven incorrect and it's established that only one active world line is allowed to exist.
(spoilers)
this is how steins gate would go in the perspective of the okabe who was fooled by alpha okabes second trip to convince him kurisu was dead without her actually dying.
so after okabe travels back in time to save kurisu without shifting the divergence meter, and made episode 1 okabe experience the same experience has originally, and this okabe sends the dmail causing the lecture resulting in kurisus death to not happen in another wordline, everything happens the way the series would go from ep 1, except when he decides to travel back to the original world line to save mayuri but kill kurisu, he would find kurisu not only alive but with memories of him saving her life from her father that did not happen according to what this okabe knows.. so then steins gate 0 would happen only without kurisu dying, which means there would be no plot and that okabe would have a reason to stay in the city live and well, and result in him never meeting the maho the same way.
i watched the first season 1-OVA, 23b then steins gate. the watch order dosnt really matter, you just need to understand it.
Well I watched steins gate for the first time in that order actually
but now with steins;gate 0 the whole "only 1 worldline can exist at any given moment" theory don't seem to hold up... last episode of 0 we see Okabe send the messages back to his old self (the static one) and to Suzuha, and we see Mayuri going back to make herself slap some sense into him... now here's the problem or rather what left me confused... after Mayuri slaps him and he sees the video explaining how to succeed we know he does succeed in saving Kurisu which should change the timeline... hence the alpha and beta worldlines should sieze to exist right? yet we get a after credit scene of Okabe of the beta field going back to save mayuri and Suzuha...?
Part of the reason I just hate parts of Steins;Gate 0 is that it seems to break many of the rules it sets up. Notice that the "one worldine at a time" thing isn't my own personal theory, Suzuha literally says so in the original series.
The only explanation I can think of is that Steins;Gate kind of operates from a deterministic worldview (things are generally set in stone and can't be changed), so even though the worldline "doesn't exist" anymore, we are just seeing events play out as if it did. Because normally as soon as Beta Okabe sends that message, the worldline should shift into the S;G worldine.
@@Kamimashita beta Suzuha might be inaccurate tho
Well I ended the series with the movie of kurisu seems like worth it and kinda connect EL PSY CONGREE
This makes me want to check Steins Gate
I played the games before watching the anime totally different
It's really weird that the timeline we start off in is called the beta. You would think it would be called the alpha because noone has time traveled yet. But actually, suzuha has already traveled to the years 1975 and 2000 which is what shifts to the beta in the first place. I hypothesize that they started in a hypothetical "Omega" world line in which the world ends without time travel, and this causes the future gadget lab to create the time machine and send suzu back. Which hops them to the alpha after 1975 and then the beta after 2000. This is how they can be in a beta timeline despite none of the cast time traveling yet, when by definition beta means second.
The Omega attractor field has appeared in the visual novel, the world line that Okabe ends up in when you go through the Farris ending in the visual novel is an omega world line. There is also a Delta and a Gamma attactor field.
Even though it's omega worldline doesn't mean the world ends without time travel since the divergence meter is still there coz if there's no time travel or time machine, there wouldn't be the need to create a divergent meter, am I right?
In omega worldline, the time machine may emerge somewhere else. So we can't say for sure.
Also you might be right about the omega worldline being the original one
@@makotoxchihiroyaoifangirl8409 I shouldn't have used the word Omega to describe what I'm talking about. The vn has Omega and Delta and stuff. I'm talking about a completely unseen hypothetical world line where the world ends without any time travel at all. Possibly from events of the other science adventure shows where the committee of 300 succeeds. Which is what makes the future gadget lab form Valkyrie and build the first time machine and send suzuha back to 1975. This changes the world line from the hypothetical unseen one, to the alpha. Suzuha then travels to 2000 and gets separated from kagari. This changes the world line to the beta. That's how the show starts off in a beta world line, before any time travel has actually happened from our perspective as the audience. The word beta means second and implies that an alpha came before it. So it was always weird to me that Stein's gate is confirmed to start off in the beta world line, and this is my attempt to rationalize it.
Yeah.. Steins gate really got away with the paradoxes and the causality problem by having the worldlines concept..
what
I watched the original and I have to watch that movie
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36 bytes, not 140 kbytes, and 3.24 not 2.5 PB. Why you ignored your own video footage?
why is there a steins gate 0, okabe already suffered enough
Nice vid but the way you say the names wanna make me put cola in my ears
Lol that ending line no worry no fwubs were heard
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Is it just me or stiens gate is just sci fi rezero?
It's not Okaabae lol
The Chronological order actually works out fine even if you're a new watcher
You talk about parallel universes, but that's wrong! Parallel universes aren't exists in Steins Gate. There is only ONE active worldline at the same time. It was clearly stated by the VN
That's so confusing
My head is like very limited
nah your wrong, you didnt pay attention obviously cuz he specified that also
Please include Spoiler in your title ..Amazing Video btw..
El. Psy. Congree.
So you called me a complete masochist, a?
your a mad scientist hah
WE'VE REACHED THE REAL STEINS;GATE
BUCKLE UP BOYS,
TRUST THE PLAN
I am a mad scientist ... Sonuvabitch
El PSY KONGROO
You forgot about the movie
wouldn't ìt be funny if john titor actually was legit and really stopped ww3
Just gonna watch the original movie.I usually most of your vids and times pal .It has issues
El Psy Congroo
So steins gate is just Sci fi version pf re zero
The only thing I'm completely sure of is that time travel (to the past) is impossible. Every fiction that utilises it is conceited. However Steins;Gate is one of the better time travel stories, Primer is another.
We are not sure that is completely impossible yet though
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"The ending assumes you've seen all of the OG series" No it doesn't.
Even if it did is it a bad thing ? It’s like seeing the second season of an anime without watching the first one
@@parsashirali8957 You can watch SG in the release order or the chronological order. Both are enjoyable.
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No, you flubbed it...not stutter.
No, S;G isn't well grounded in science at all. Actually it is pretty *dumb*. It is a good series (1 season), because of characters, mystery and tone, not bec of SCiFi. Main arguments in short: If you list all time interactions, and think through you'll see it is completely incoherent as it is just a mess of popular time travel ideas:
- banana-travel - just complete nonsense
- green-people travel from newspapers - just complete nonsense, but different from bananas.
- d-mail - parallel universes
- time machine and his plan in last episode - "HarryPotter"-y time travel
- all this vanishing stuff from Deja-vu movie -... just some complete... you got it, I hope
I rewatched it recently as phys postgrad and laughed out loud at information compression via black holes creation.. and through all end of S;G0..
u seem extreme smart very
Thanks, whats your point?
@@user-cn4qb7nr2m bro?
The only coherent thing in this comment (which also made me laugh when I watched s;g) was the compression of digital data via black holes.
You are obviously overthinking this. If every D mail changes time, why is everyone acting the same even when the otaku culture is erased or a boy becomes a girl? It obviously does not change time but a few minute things with everything else remaining the same.
Okabe is the only one who notices when time changes, because he has the Reading Steiner ability. No one freaks out with the change to Akiba or Ruka, because to them taht's all they've known them to be. The whole plot hinges on Okabe's special ability to remember other timelines. That's how the divergence meter works too!
that is not what I said
I clearly explained my thesis and all he said was Okabe is the only one who knows the changes. That does NOT explain what I said. How does him knowing the changes, limits said changes to a few minute things when the entire world should be different EVEN in the eyes of Okabe?
+Info monger, apologize for your idiocy or I am going to make a video out of you and you will have thousands of critical thinking people lauging at you for months.
I get the in-series explanation, but it doesn't excuse the fact they changed the lifestyle of the whole city or the gender of a person without affecting the rest in the slightest.
@ThatAnimeSnob
"If every D mail changes time, why is everyone acting the same even when the otaku culture is erased or a boy becomes a girl? It obviously does not change time but a few minute things with everything else remaining the same."
The same reason why Mayuri keeps dying. Its convergence. Okabe will always become friends with his friends and their personalities will always be pretty much the same. Only if they change to a totally different attractor field those things can change. Like the Faris world line.
Stains gate 0 sucks
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