This in and of itself didn’t bother me so much as it was just a microcosm of the purpose of the whole show which is, uh, yeah, pretty much fan service in the most authentic sense. Show all the characters, make the girls “more appealing” (I like it, personally, but it’s obviously subjective) synthesize a new adventure that feels like the first, and so on.
God that pissed me off in this. I think that's the major thing that made me instantly question why this series was really created. Even though you can technically call the original a harem, just like the sequel, it was never blatant with it. Sure we saw the characters occasionally in somewhat sexualized positions and it certainly seemed like more than one of them had a crush on Okabe. But it was never the focus, and the only relationship that really gets developed on is the one that ends up being cannon. But in the sequel, that little occasional romantic interaction shot up to 11. Okabe had so many very active love interests. From Maho to even Suzuha and Moeka to a degree. They all were given extra big boobs aside from Karisu and Maho. They even contrive a way for us to get sexy underwear parties with the cast. Never mind the fact that I'm pretty sure these arent exactly the kind of girls who would want to model super risque garmants in the first place. Maybe actual pajamas. I took issue with this show, but I did find it way more entertaining than Digibro did obviously. However I do agree that there were so many pointless things and just plain old bad things about it. Generally, I liked the idea of him suffering from pstd, and watching him work through his issues was gratifying. Could it have been done better? Absolutely. I also like the idea behind the Kyouma persona being a sort of hopeful aspect of the story. It's a development of both Okabe and Kyouma separately, since the persona started off as a way to comfort his friends and entertain them then became a self defense mechanism as well which was amplified with more trauma. His abandoning of it said a lot--that he didn't see the point anymore or he didn't have the energy to maintain it anymore. He then realizes later on that it was one of the things that got him through the hardest time in his life. Also, in argument against Amadeus, it isn't Karisu. That is ultimately the point of many of the scenes. How easy it is for Okabe to admit that she isn't Karisu and not using her as a crutch. How I feel about the above doesn't excuse the poor execution, especially on Mayuri's part. I felt like so much of the story was bogged down by this issue.
I was planning on defending 0 after 4-5 min into the video, but they I remember the shit ton of dangling threads the anime (I guess game as well) left undone. You picked most, but I remember in one episode where Okabe went to the future, after he came back there was another girl (Majuri's friend) that she remembers being to the future/alternate reality probably showing Okabe is not the only one with Reading Steiner ability. IT NEVER GET BROUGHT UP AGAIN...
Yeah I don't understand what the fuck they were thinking about those threads. It's explained in the vn but the anime shouldn't have introduced it if it wasnt going to do anything with it.
Nothing with it happens in the VN either. Fubuki is being used by Leskinen and so are the other patients. Okabe and the others never bother saving her nor is anything done with the information afterwards. It was mainly there to show that the world-line changing by Russia was affecting other people outside of Okabe's circle.
In one route of the VN Okabe talks to Fubuki about what they experience in the alternative timeline, confirming that it wasn't just a dream. Leskinen then later finds out through Fubuki that Okabe also has the reading steiner ability. That is all Plot relevance Fubuki has in all six routes, yes in every other route Fubuki is irrelevant and/or ignored
Remember that scene in the original where the redhead was taking a bath with the autistic friend or whatever and the scientist guy walks in. I'd love to see a discussion of that scene in a writing class.
Yeahhhhh. Remove that scene and the one where he gropes Ruka and SG is pretty much perfect. SG is one of my favorite shows ever and that part always pains me because I hate when that kind of cringey anime humor is shoehorned in. I know it's kind of a culture thing but I just can't stand it. It singlehandedly prevented me from being able to enjoy Log Horizon.
@@Wallie33. I dont see anything wrong with the scene either, but a writing class discussion would be funny anyway. I only said autistic girl cuz digi calls her that and I forget her name.
I would give my kidney to see a chimera ant style heist mission involving limited time travel. That's the most heartbreaking thing I've ever heard, because it sounds awesome, but will probably never be a thing.
@@GibbousTT HunterxHunter contains this immaculate assassination plot that goes play by play through the actions of several parties of people as they all splinter away from one another to cope with a constantly evolving battle. It always makes me think of heist movies where the plan gets compromised, and suddenly each member of the team finds themselves compromised and under pressure.
It still could be made. As an alternative reality story for season 2, or straight up season 3. That would be awesome. I'd love it. Tho I highly doubt it as well that something like this will be created, sadly
I watched both series back to back and the original definitely looks way better. A lot of that is due to superior character designs, outfits, and art in general though.
"i dunno, is steins;gate 0 about the starting line where he drops time machines altogether, but ends up picking it up later in 2032?" I don't know what you wanted to say, but this has no sense at all what you write here
did you even watch the anime dude right at the start Kurisu starts asking okabe about something he has said, although they never met before, and there's the message of the future of Okabe giving his past self a mission briefing before attempting to save Kurisu from certain death.
These videos have been super cathartic for me. Everything you’ve said about this show’s meandering plot had been bouncing around in my head since 0 started airing, but almost no one was talking about it, so I felt like I was just missing something. Like I wasn’t paying enough attention. Thank god someone else was just as disappointed by this show. Looking forward to hearing you talk about the direction and stuff - that was probably my biggest problem with 0.
Joe Guy the answer is probably that they didnt understand steins gate 2011 in the first place, its the only thing i could think of or maybe they liked it for different reasons
Same here. Can't wait for part 3 because the direction is the thing that stood out the most for me. Where are those glorious wallpaper-worthy shots from the original SG? Why is the lighting so flat, on every frame? It's like whoever directed this had no motivation at all and didn't care.
Reviews for most shows are in the 8-10 range nowadays. General ratings, and even critic ratings in some cases, don't have much meaning when there's incentive everywhere for higher ratings. Most people don't like rating things they don't like, most people who like the original don't pay as much attention to sequels because they just don't have to and need a lot to break attachment to characters that were once written well, most people like to think that what they watched was a good use of their time and yet can't think that for some reason if they see what they watched as bad. IGN's high 8 ratings for the Fates games, as well as the reasons attached, still make no sense to me. The majority of both were just bad, and what they did get right should only bring them up to a low 7 even if you don't see many of the gaping problems they had.
the 0 VN is less linear compared to the original Steins;gate VN when it came to obtaining the true ending route, that's the reason the plot structure is a bit of a mess, because they gutted some plot points from the other routes that would have made the adaptation more interesting.
The anime was even more frustrating to watch as someone who played the VN. Sure, the story *probably* didn't need to be told, but at least the VN told it better. You find out about different parts of the story through the different endings, which are supposed to be clues on how you get to the other endings and eventually lead Okabe down the path that slaps him out of his depression and makes him go back to being Hououin Kyouma. In the anime they took 5 different endings that happen on different world lines and tried to squeeze almost all of it into a linear story. They also decided to keep Amadeus Kurisu in the story way past her time in the VN for the some reason. You find out in the super-bad-end that using Amadeus allows Leskinen to know where Okabe is, which is supposed to make you *not* use it unless it's a forced part of the story in order to get to the other endings. The meeting with Kurisu that they spent an entire episode on was actually a conversation that takes place entirely within the Future Gadget Lab and is maybe 5-10 minutes long at best.
And Kurisu making that quick makes way more sense because she wants him to go back and forget her, instead we get OH MY GOD THE MAYURI DIES TIMELINE IS SOOOOOO BAAAAAD what a shitshow
I thought it was interesting to see how Okabe became the person that convinces himself in another world line that he needs to fool the world, but yes it could have been done better.
they just wanted more foe-kurisus on screen.... once again, despite the fact that this show was supposed to be in a universe where Kurisu doesn't exist. They just wanted to up the Kurisu melodrama.
I feel it's important to add that the assistant makes an angry "I'm definitely not an antagonist" glare towards the camera like two minutes before motorcycle helmet chick shows up so I thought it was painfully obvious it was her from the get go
Yeah, but the emphasis in Yuki as a character seemed so intentionally-pulling-for-a-payoff, that I had to believe it was her, and then it got into nothing like all the other loose threads in 0.
I’m curious, anyone know the context behind that crossover fan art at 0:37. Blake from RWBY, Velvet from Tales of Berseria, Jotaro, Ryuko, Sasuke, and what looks to be the Devil from The Devil is a Part Timer, and Akame from Akame ga Kill. Odd collection of characters.
I think it's the fact that they're all famously edgy characters or essentially the same person, except maybe Jotaro, I know he's super edgy, but he's not hot blooded and reckless like Ryuko and the others.
@@Mel-eo9ub Except the Devil from the Devil is a Part Timer is a laid back, cool headed, and goofy character. So I can't actually imagine whats tying this group together
I played the VN way before the anime was even announced, and I said it from the beginning: this won't work as an adaptation because the story is non linear, and you can't fully understand it unless you play all the routes.
I mean it in the sense that pretty early the game separates into two different story lines, and each one has multiple endings. That helps in keeping the mystery throughout multiple playthroughs, and when all the elements and plot points come together in the end it's very satisfying. The anime is unable to adapt every route while still making sense to an anime only viewer, thus the plot holes and the characters that seemingly don't do anything.
Thank you for specifying 'badly written fanfiction', rather than lumping it all together as a catch-all pejorative. once again it may seem like a small thing, but like your disclaimer that you hate SAO, not its fans, it's the kind of stuff that consistently keeps my respect for you sky-high and keeps me as a viewer around, as much as all the actual analysis and being right about stuff.
Except his 'badly written fanfiction' statement is based off a flawed understanding of the universe and its characters. An understanding you could easily have gained from the anime adaptations alone.
Mario Badia I’m reading that fic. Coeur Al’Aran, right? Dude’s a magazine writer and even charges people on patreon for creative writing lessons because he’s that legit. Absolute cream of the fanfiction crop there. Personal list of RWBY fanfic authors if you like him: Imyoshi(Silver) Random O’ Panda(Charismatic Gamer) Dravyn LeCrux(The Red Queen) College Fool(Everything, he’s Coeur’s only equal IMO) Super Saiyan Cyndaquil(Auburn, Spectrum) literalsin(The Name of the Game) ThePhantomScribe(Live, Die, Repeat) Jiu-jitsu dude(A Monster’s Marriage), if nothing else, read this for the hilarity that ensues betwee Mercury’s daddy issues and Adult Jaune’s ignorance. Ryuugi(The Games We Play), gonna have to read this one elsewhere, since he stopped uploading on fanfiction.net after 26th chapter. You can still use that if you have a mild interest, though.
Steins;gate 0 VN handles the kagari thing awfully, where for no reason and no explanation kagari can be nobody at all, a sleeper agent, or instead be plastic surgeried into looking like daru's future wife. All of these things happen in the same timeline, even reading steiner activating. I have no idea what they were thinking with kagari, her only role in the story ends up being just to show Leskinen is bad and it's handled in the worst way possible. Moeka and Kagari should have been left out.
You ask the question if someone would be compelled to watch Steins Gate 0 outside of already knowing and loving the characters. Which is pretty weird considering most people don't watch another season of an anime without having first watched the original. The pull for me in Steins Gate 0, from even episode 1, was simply just Okabe trying to move forward despite his trauma and PTSD. It's very compelling and it makes sense to explore this side of him.
Wait... DIdn't we establish in the original anime that the ability "reading steiner" didn't actually exist and instead what actually happens is that everyone carries their memories between world lines to a greater or lesser extent? I... I'm not misrememberring that right?
When it was revealed that Okabe was being thrown to another timeline because there was someone experimenting on the time machine, I was expecting there to be more and more experimentation as the story progress. Okabe needed to realize that his Reading Steiner would activate more and more frequently when more people had their time machine built. To prevent that, he needed to get his shit done very soon, or else he would be thrown back and forth between timelines and had zero control over the situation. But nope, it only happened because Kurisu is popular and we need to have a repeat of episode 22 from the original show, great job.
"it only happened because Kurisu is popular and we need to have a repeat of episode 22 from the original show, great job." Nope. You're wrong at all. 0 Okabe's trip to Alpha give him one piece of the puzzle: That everything depends on our perpective. That convergence depends on our perspective. ("From her perspective, is that how we first met?" Then, after a few seconds, he realizes something. Watch episode 8 again at around 20:00)
Levente Kis Is it worth opening a whole new can of worms just for that small discovery? That realization could have been done by any other character, considering that Okabe is the only person with memory from other timelines. There's no reason introducing a new plot point (that will never be brought up ever again) just for that revelation.
What 0kabe realized in episode 8; is that the very first time she "met an Okabe" was NEITHER of the 2 times he could actually remember [implying there COULD be a third one he is not yet aware of... ] From his perspective, the first time HE remembers meting her she had already "seen an Okabe" before ( through the first episodes of Steins;Gate 0 he thought that other Okabe was himself from the second time he "met her for the first time" [23beta episode], after he used the FG-C203 to go back in time to accidentally killing her later); but this mistake was a consequence of never having talked with Kurisu about that "fated day" [something the Okabe he replaced in that late Alpha Worldline probably did at some point]. Hence, he realizes that if there was another version of him in that building that day, even with his "failure attempt" already set in his "own" personal past; there may be a chance for "that OTHER mysterious Okabe" he never met directly to have a chance. -> It is rather funny that in the original Steins;Gate, this "mysterious Okabe" DOES take his time (risking his life since he was bleeding out), so "see" the one that would give him "the key to the Steins;Gate" before escaping to that future paradise [he even dedicates an internal monologue "In the memory of that Okabe_from_zero" that would never be able to see Kurisu again].
Argamis (SilverComet) Thank you, that was a lot more clear. (Was the explanation in the anime? I don't remember seeing one, granted I watched 0 weekly so I may have forgotten it)
Just finished the whole SG franchise, and gotta say, I've had basically 99% of the experience you describe in your video. Both about the original and SG-0. Spot on.
I was thinking the whole time when you describing these problems that there was a term to describe all of these problems at once and then I remembered the title to one of my favorite extra credits videos "In Service to the Brand" and that is what this series is suffering from they are so shackled to the success of the previous show that they dare not stray to far or do anything that the fan base would consider "not Stein's Gate" which makes the show for anyone wanting that spark of originality that the original show had completely die this was just as good as the first video if not better can't wait for the next
This analysis could stand for "the writer's trap", and mostly what bring people you thought of as creative, revolutionary and fresh, to fall into that pit of re-using 95% of their original material even if you have to bring them back from the dead (killing all tension/grief brought by a much original material), calling for a 'twin-that-looks-like-him-but-not', ret-con facts by force or do the fan-fiction best-worst trope: these awful reunion episodes. "Look at my characters! Weren't they cool?" "What do you want? Do you want to see them go-karting? Paint their nails? Have a island/beach arc?? Please like them again!" - This is the sign of: I gave up and know nothing better than throw them in a bag 'cause they're all great. Adventure Time had an entire episode about it "All the Little People", and it was probably the best demonstration that this is pointless story-breaking. Sequences with characters apart are what makes a show/book/story great.. when just indulging fan temporary ship needs is just futile, and short-lived. But it could make for a great video, deeper than this one. Why after having wrote the most popular pieces in history, writers like J.K Rowling who have said EVERY possible thing on their worlds, have more money than ever needed to retire and go someplace calm to write something new, keep bringing the worst excuses to write some canon-but-atrocious new little stories, to catastrophic extends (like re-writing a fan-fiction time-travel old-school reunion theatre play - I'm serious - into a new book.) Same here with Jukki Hanada, who is a far more productive writer, but fall into the same appealing pit of sitting down with your old toys and make them fight each other and discuss in every combination possible until you get bored again. And trapped writers like this can be count by the hundreds.
Good exposition. Gets me thinking. At least the writers after publishing the 0 VN said they're "done with these characters" -- no more writer's traps for them, if they can keep to their word. It's too bad stuff like this happens; I'd much rather be left with an incredibly satisfying conclusion to an in my mind near-perfect execution of an anime, than to get a second season that's just... disappointing in how different it all is. That said, I can enjoy 0 despite agreeing with pretty much everything Digibro puts out there. I was *so* into that "Yuki's gonna turn out bad" thing, and even imagined she was a red herring, but there was absolutely no pay-off to either theory being correct. Sad.
@@Shrooblord I honestly wish this was true. Sadly, this is always up to viewers numbers. Enough viewers, enough audience to read or watch or play whatever you want them to play when they'll need their next dose of Steins;Gate. Hopefully not enough for another anime, regarding this one's quality. But would you be surprised if they pulled of an OAV out of this? Like "Timeline Gamma", that time where Okabe saved no one but his true love.. or things like this. And if not enough viewers, a phone app about tournament fighting with the characters. The whole point where it's worth digging the topic of writer's trap is the following: it takes a huge, HUGE effort to see your universe grow that big, and then have enough self judgement to know "no, what I have to bring isn't relevant enough that it would deserve being added to that universe I love because it would affect the quality of the original material. But people should still think about it 99 times before doing so.
@@Arrakiz666 Oh! I don't think he was! Probably he was a MASSIVE example, buy you can surely go as far as.. Batman and Superman going hockey or player cricket for some dumb reason.. that's why people mock old comics, because if you have the bad idea of digging, you'll find the most serious characters have dumb stories like this because someone thought it was funny or not that important that they could write a piece contributing, and it was "canonical" by Marvel or DC. Or even how Conan Doyle wrote a following after killing Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty, pulled of the 'he wasn't dead, he just faked it' and this, still to this date, plage EVERY Sherlock material.
@@comicsans1689 You really think The last three episodes will be good without 20-episode foreshadowing？ Did you ever watch Steins;gate? By your standard, half of it would be shit！
I get the perception of fanfiction being "lesser forms of storytelling" but I've been lucky enough to find plenty of diamonds in the rough. That and even the more average ones have some form of passion to them whether it might be misplaced or not. Really, I try not to complain since people do it for fun and I'm not one to get in the way.
In the VN, Both Yuki and Kagari were spandex girls. The VN is a convoluted mess with 2 separate practically disconnected stories, which the Anime tries to join. Often, the anime writes in a setup which as a payoff in Route A, but the Anime follow route B, and therefore never resolves it.
The only thing i can say i'd change in the anime is that the "good" ending is rather lame. I'd rather they chose Rukako's or Faris', Rukako's specially was really good.
Honestly, I think they should have done more to differentiate itself from the original VN, as by being to faithful while also reworking its structure, it ends up being a clusterfuck
Actually in the VN only Kagari was a spandex biker helmet girl, the Yuki in the suit that appears is actually (SPOILERS FOR THE VN) An alternate reality where Kagari had plastic surgery to take on the form and role of Yuki in order to infiltrate the main cast and steal the time machine, and also to kill Daru but she (who I remind IS KAGARI) falls in love with Daru in the end and dies during the same helicopter scene. The female professor does turn out to be a female biker asides from Kagari in the VN's major ending lines, but like a lot of things the anime dropped it got shot with a gun. Honestly even the VN is a big mess...
They should just adapt it like Higurashi, where all iteration routes are adapted. 0 plot works because of two major routes, connected by D-Rine. 0 adaptation is disappointing.
When you initially talk about reactive vs proactive, what I immediately think of is jonathan joestar vs joseph joestar, really shows how araki's writing evolved from part 1 to 2 and how much difference a proactive protag makes
The hook from the get-go is that clearly this is the Okabe who makes the future video. This show is his journey to get to that point. That's enough of a hook.
And it was a rather boring journey that involved the writers conceiving weak plot points and filler. Steins;Gate 0 was completely unnecessary, and just wasted everyone's time.
Ngl the only part I truly enjoyed were the interactions between Mayuri and Kagari. So obviously Recursive Mother Goose was my favourite episode. Also that great moment when Leniskin appears on the roof and goes 'This was a joint effort between myself and I' made me slow clap at how audacious yet genius this strategy was.
Your pissed about Yuri.......What about Mayuri's song. So Mayuri's song triggers Kagari's memories. Then we found out that future Mayuri taught future Kagari the song. This leads to reveal that young Mayuri learnt the song from young Rintaro who in turn learnt the song from time displaced Kagari. That inception bullshit was never explained and immediately dropped. We see her hospital like clothing and she is suppose to be a captive at the time. So how did she escape? She looks about the same age back then as now. So then how old is she now? What was the point of her being in Rintaro's past? What was the point the song as a plot if none of that was going to be explained? Nope she gains her memories back and that's it. I keep getting the feeling the creators were making stuff up as they made the episodes and dropped plots that they couldn't make work.
"That inception bullshit" is actually just how time travel works though? I believe it'd be the grandfather paradox in a case like that? Idk man,I'm not an expert,but I at least understand the theory enough to get the anime.
Paradoxes were been done way better in the first series. They had significance. In the first series we see that Suzuha travelling into the past is what makes it possible for them to access the IBM machine but also made the apocalyptic future exist and seals Miyuri's death. The future had to exist in order for her to also return to the present and provide Rintaro with the ability to shift to the Alpha time line. That paradox had weight. We saw what happened to Suzuha when a simple wish to have her meet her father altered her plans and her ability to time travel. My issue is that Mayuri's song paradox seemed like decent tie in at the time but it basically led no where narratively. There is no significance beyond it being an over elaborate plot trigger. Its just there to provide some semblance that time is still messed up and creates new unanswered questions.
@@vinion2000 Fair enough,I can see that. I feel like a lot of people probably went into 0 expecting something totally different so it may have hindered the experience. Like if someone hands you a glass of tea and tells you it's lemonade.
Digi, seriously you're having nostalgia syndrome. Like, you say you don't care that steins gate isn't realistic, but you attack steins gate 0 because it isn't realistic? really?
by the way, because is a different attractor field (beta), the characters would be different from their counterparts in the previous attractor field (alpha). that's why, for example, Mayuri is more attached to Okabe, because she never met and got attached to Makise. Although they should have had shown more of Okabe struggling in trying to be a normie and failing.
The amount of negative attention people give you is so unwarranted and breaks my heart. I enjoy all your videos, even and especially those I happen to disagree with (and this isn't one of them. ) Thank you for making videos, Digi. You rock.
>Complains about S;G 0 being a badly-written fanfiction. >Proposes his own fanfictional ideas and claim them being better than the badly-written fanfiction! Nice!
I at least like his fiction better than SG:0. The VN is unadaptable but not in the good way. While there are some good plot elements in the VN it's just such a mess. It was stupid of me and anyone else to expect for the anime to completely fix the VN's mistakes but for what it's worth the anime is better than the VN. Also >Using > outside of 4chan
@@Error404DataNotFound >Thinks YT had a greentext function >Defending the using green text meme outside of 4chan in the year 2018 >Uses 4chan >Hyperlul
@@Error404DataNotFound I completely forgot geekweek was a thing that happened oops. Green text is a meme when it is used outside of 4chan and a dead meme at that. The >using 4chan, thing is kind of a joke itself. I always feel shitty when I'm hostile like this so I'm gonna excuse myself from this thread here. Take care
This show actually reminds me a lot of Legend of Korra. Both sequels getting massive praise, but both ruin the characters and have nonsense stories and generally remove the things that made their originals great. Bad fanfiction applies well to both.
I would go on about how it trashed on the original and how korra was a bitch and a half but, i dont have all day. If you want a proper video on it watch E:R's review on it, it's rather funny and sums up what is wrong with it.
Many, Many things: destruction of the origins of bending: if turtles are the givers of all elements, then technically there could have been MANY AVATARS during the time of the "First Avatar". Korra herself: She not only comes off as an entitled brat, but in many instances is saved by Deus Ex Machinas: Aang has to restore her bending, Toph has to inspire her to save herself (during the time when she was poisoned). Korra also treats her "group" like it's Tinder: Who HADN'T she dated that was a part of their group by the end of that anime? If waterbenders could gain so much power that they could Bloodbend AND TAKE AWAY BENDING without a full moon, WHY AREN'T THERE MORE EVIL WATERBENDERS TAKING OVER THE WORLD. A bender that can control and kill people with no respite and even defeats Korra could easily take on any other bender in the world outside of a stronger waterbender. Let's not even talk about that fact that in the last season there is enough Plantinum in the world to make a GIANT FUCKING ROBOT WITH ENERGY LASERS. Like seriously, what the actual fuck. Korra not only gets her ass beat by a water bender, she gets beat by a guy in season 3 that IS ONLY AN AIRBENDER. I can respect the power that Aang had in terms of Air Bending, but ain't no god damn way a newly learned Airbender able to beat a person with MASTERY over 3 elements and an EXPERT knowledge of Airbending. That shit only worked for Aang because he wasn't able to find a Firebender until Zuko came along, and even then once he went Avatar, he outranked anyone in terms of Firebending. Korra is a hotmess in all the above ways and more. E;R may be an antagonistic ass, but he is right in terms of Korra. It's a disgrace to the legacy of Avatar TLAB.
I hadn't made that connection in my mind yet, but I agree with you. I already noticed how Korra was "way different" and I could only enjoy it once I accepted that I should let go how good the first series was compared to it; Korra should be viewed as if it's a new show, which takes place in "sort of the same universe". That's how I was able to enjoy it. And yes, that *is* me suppressing the arguments that question whether they shouldn't have just made an all-new thing, then, instead of expanding on previous material as if it was supposed to live up to it, but just couldn't. Bad fanfiction, like you say.
@ 4:02 Digibro basically what your asking for is “The Midnight Crew” by Andrew Hussie Edit: there’s a character of the Felt who wields voodoo dolls and pins, each related to timelines where they were alive vs dead etc
Oh and some of the parts were so awkwardly rushed too, like we meet rukako in the future and 2 seconds later she dies after killing 30 armed soldiers WITH A SWORD. Like first of all wtf, she died way too quick, no build up at all. Second of all, I didn’t know ruka unlocked dragonblade and can now just genji dash into soldiers...
Also theres a reason to why amadeus was created and to why kurisu's memories were subject to it. I dont know if they reveal it on the anime because i only played the games but the reason is to get the time machine papers (or at least her thesis on the time machine) back from her memories.
yeah, very careful consideration was in the original. Like telling a random mute girl about a time machine for no reason when SERN is on the loose yeah, fuck you, Digi. Rewatch the original and realise it's retarded too (not defending zero here, won't watch it)
Funny thing about that Yuki twist, the VN actually did do that twist. Guess this is what happens when you mix two storylines that are almost completely different from each other into one single narrative.
Mario Saldana Yeah it was Yuki, the explanation was that kagari In that timeline received surgery to look like Yuki as part of a disguise, the real Yuki was overseas
Anonymous User Damn that sounds real interesting, that would have made for a more interesting story then what we got. I’m guessing that wasn’t supposed to be hinted at with the timeline we got.
Please make Part 3 about zero's version of the dark future! Before every other thing (but overall boredom) this thing was the first one to truly infuriate me.
The problem with this series of videos is that by addressing some of the actual problems with the show's pacing and development of newly introduced characters, digi is free to pile up his own nitpicks and poorly thought out ramblings, making them seem more legitimate by association. 0 is far from perfect and isn't as good as season 1, but watching this rant one might get a false impression that 0 is some unwatchable pile of shit, which it is not. I understand that criticism sells, but it's a real shame that someone might decide to not see the show or allow this guy's opinion influence their own after seeing these.
I gave it 9.5/10 before. But after hearing your thoughts, I'm giving it 8/10. Still a good score yes, because i enjoyed it. I cant deny that there are a lot of things that could be better. But i got an answer of how the video was sent. Im starting to think that it mightbe better to have only a short story for the future okabe, but i dont really complain. But what actually makes me happy about sg0 is the ending. Say what you will, but Okabe coming out of the time machine is still one of the best scene in 2018.
Prayoga Iwanda I 100% agree. I was first thinking “Oh Steins;Gate 0 is better than the original” after I finished, and then reconsidered what Digi said. About 1/2 the things he said I agreed with, and 1/2 the things I disagreed with in this video, but after him pointing out the flaws in 0, I re-rated it an 7.5/10. Still good, but not better than the original.
18:48 but diiiigiiii, murdering murderers makes you no better than murdering innocent people, don't u no thaaaaaaat No but seriously this trope is probably one of my most hated I'm still waiting patiently on that oreimo video btw
To explain that, it is essentially convergence, which is plot armor manifested. Had Daru not stepped in, Suzuha would have missed or something similar. Leskinen cannot die because he needs to brainwash Kagari
@@SeralyneYT Not the same as genocidal mass murders being treated as if they're worth redeeming and that killing them would be just as bad as killing a person. Something they've killed millions of.
I almost ALMOST want to make a big drawn out video about these opinions with my own, but I tried that once. And there are enough anitubers I do gravitate towards the mindset of digi and gigguk the most but only digi makes me want to say "no, you're right but you are also wrong" I guess cause gigguk is more about entertainment rather than criticism. So instead I will sum it up as a big comment, I just need to get it out. Before starting though I will point out a few more "WTF" or "really" momemts too. Around episode 2 or something we get okabe seemingly transported into the future where he is then captured or something then picks up his phone and is transported back, there was a couple other things too, like him experiencing missing time, and cosplay girl #3 being hospitalized same time as okabe and OH look the professor is here too. All of it and more goes NOWHERE! Ok, first off, yes steins gate 0 is not that great...its not terrible garbage like you say you made it clear what you saw in it, down in the dumps boi was boring. And its understandable. BUT, the thing is you are missing the theme of what they attempted. Which was failure and never giving up. I can't stress this enough. I thought the concept was fine, it turned out being a bit much, but the concept about following the failed okabe is just, well its a very human story. A man child who played mad scientist got a taste of despair and it changed him, it turned him into a broken person. He then sacrifices everything to maintain the small victory he claimed, the only one he thinks is possible. Because he knows what it is to fight fate, its impossible. So the fact okabe is vehemently against doing anything, it just makes sense. Is this boring to watch? Oh god ya, if you don't connect with it, it is just going to seem boring as all ghettout. But I found myself engrossed with the sense of failure and complacency the show paints with okabe, like someone giving up on their dreams or their lost love or just anything important to them. Its a journey about someone failing and giving up then finding the will to press on regardless. Again, sounds inspiring, but ya. They fucked it up. It was still not bad though I would call it ok. I would give it a blade runner 2049 out of son of the mask, in regards to sequels. It was nice, and I liked it, it had problems but it wasn't garbage to me personally, though I could understand how others could view it as utterly pointless. Around the 3/4 mark of the show the story really just loses all bearings. The logic falls apart, the coherency falls apart I understood what it was attempting to do I did, it was clear I just well...If someone says "HEY LOOK WHAT I CAN DO" and they try and do something, and they fail at it, but you totally get what they were trying to do, say juggling? And they keep trying? And its like "ya, ya, no please, stop you are going to hurt yourself I get it, don't worry I understand the attempt please, stop." That is similar to how I feel. Though at first I really did enjoy it, I liked the slow pace and just utter sense of hopelessness the show was going for. I liked seeing the silly whacko become utterly broken and depressed, like that of a child finding out friendship doesn't last forever, or some shit. It was just IDK adult? It was just nice to see in a macabre sort of way. Cause you know they fix it...somehow and that's what has you hooked. And well ya... Like he says at episode 17 or so it just goes fucking TURBO MODE and by the end of it you are like "wait, but why was all that-" then you watch this video and go "ya there were a bunch of misdirects...too many in fact" I will write more on the next video he does I guess. I can tell he a person who watched something he thought he might love, only for it to burn him, I can understand that feeling. Thought I took it in a different way. But still curious if he brings anything else up that I am thinking. P.S I liked the future segment...but it was during turbo mode so, I also didn't like it.
Also mind addressing again to the returds about how a VN ≠ Good Adaptation and how people just told you to read the VN in part 1, I saw over 100 comments about this.
Reading the VN can help contextualize where mistakes were made, more information helps in studying a mistake. Not saying it's what you should do instead of watch the anime
Thank you. I finished watching 0 and, although feeling like I liked it, really sensed something was seriously missing. After watching this video I came to realize that what I liked about it was precisely just seeing my favorite characters again interact, in any sort of way. But all those plotholes, baiting and bad storytelling were all subconsciously bothering me all the time. There are too many things in 0 that simply lead nowhere and the narrative drags on too long.
I guess I'm playing defense for the vn again, though digi didn't really reference it this time. Basically most of the problems he mentions comes from the fact that two endings in the S;G 0 vn will share maybe 20% of the content. Mostly the each ending takes the story off in wildly different directions leading to real difficulties with the anime's approach to combine the content of all the endings. One casualty in this is clearly the kagari story. In half the routes kagari is the bike helmet girl, where in the other half it's the scientist girl. So there is no weird bits where she is both a helpless girl the gang has to protect and a badass assassin. She's either one or the other depending on the world-line. It seems like the anime really shied away from changing world-lines, because the interesting thing about the attempted kagari kidnapping in the vn is that the day after the attempt the world-line shifts to a world-line where the attempt never happened, leaving okabe to try and defend against a threat he's not sure exists anymore, and certainly can't convince anyone else about. And unlike in the anime after that the story for some time is exclusively about his attempts to protect kagari which he takes multiple direct actions toward. I could write the same comparison about most of digi's points, but I hope you get the point. It's also worth noting that two of the scenes he highlights as being extremely awful are anime exclusives, the daru date (mostly) and daru telling suzuha not to shoot leskinen.
I’m sorry, but PLEASE stop calling Mayuri autistic. I don’t even know what would make you see it that way, unless you are yet another person who thinks they know about autism but really doesn’t. Honestly, it’s offensive to me and many other people who have autism.
I actually disagree with you when you say the characters and world are implausible. I find one of the main reasons I like steins;gate is because of its realism, especially when compared to other time travel shows
brendon elliott The lack of doing anything about the satellite is just the product of Japanese bureaucracy. And it's not like they were portrayed as otakus and also geniuses (except for kurisu and she was the one doing most of the work), it's just that they got lucky from an accidental discovery
He was saying that the world was implausible, not the characters, and unless you've found a way to utilize a microwave to travel back in time by sending text messages to it, then I would call a world where that can happen implausible.
I agree. The realism especially come from the VN, the way they explain it, you actually believes that a microwave can become a time machine as they put the theory from magnetic fields from LHC And apply it to the microwave.
The characters are emotionally whole people, with grounded and "real-people"-like backstories. They feel extremely real. But arguing against that was not the point Digi was trying to make.
Remember when they found out Kagari's code name and how it was a reference to the Magic Flute? They never explained that at all. I totally forgot about it by the end but the actual aria that the code name specifically references has some interesting text that I thought for sure was going to be brought up. But no, the closest thing we got was the aria that her name references is the music that they play to activate her brainwashed state, which is never even explicitly stated and is a fact that most people probably didn't pick up on.
Mostly good points on how Zero mishandles it's misdirection although i'm pretty sure (Correct me if i'm wrong fam) that the assistant glasses villain woman was revealed as the person in black at the halfway point (Some scene where she was getting on a plane and it pretty much definitively reveals that it was her all along) and it's because of that scene that the one where it's revealed to be Kagari is more of a twist since you wouldn't really expect that there was actually multiple Celty cosplayers running amok.
Another piece of common writing wisdom I disagree with, I've enjoyed an endless amount of fiction where the protagonists are reactive. Hell the worst Superhero comics are usually the ones trying to correction the common criticism that their Superheros are too reactive *cough* Cry For Justice *cough*. I legitimately enjoy fiction that's just character I like hanging out and talking, and one of the top reasons I'm into to Anime to begin with is that it's the one medium not afraid to provide that. A fellow Lucky Star fan should know better then this. I find it funny how these sequels are criticized both being like the original and not being like it. I didn't need an exact repeat of the origona's structure and tension build up.
The thing about the Vn And the anime is the the Vn is multiple world lines each giving us a hint on how to reach Steins gate And the 0 anime is the one world line where they actually reach it. So you HAVE to read the VN to understand the anime and I know that a lot of your arguments are valid if you have only watched the anime, but the show kind of expects you to have played the Vn as the misdirection of Yuki was PURELY for the Vn readers
That still doesn't excuse what it chose to adapt. The show should be an adaptation in the sense that it can be viewed as a whole separate product on its own without needing any supplemental material to back it up.
"an anime adaptation of a VN shouldn't be made with the expectation of the viewer grasping the basics of the source material and that the anime should stand on its own merits. " Yes...? I don't get why you say this like it's a bad thing. I never read Spice & Wolf but its anime adaptation felt like a complete enough story for what it told. Not to mention the original SG anime which is also perfectly watchable on its own with no need to consult its VN to understand the plot. At no point did I feel like anything substantial was missing. Now if SG0 had adapted things in a way where it told each arc from the game in an order that the knowledge gained as it progresses serves to make later arcs more meaningful while streamlining the stuff that already happened previously (like the original Fate VN did with its 3 stories) then that might work, instead it tried to cobble together various plot threads from varying timelines into one. "But hey, a popular youtuber stated his opinion online" That's nice, but I only said what I said because I both read the VN and have experienced adaptations that could stand on their own. I also enjoyed the VN when I read it despite its flaws, so I guess there goes your thoughtless drone theory. Anyway, I just think that SG0 should be a sequel to the anime in a way where you only need to have watched that to be able to understand everything going on in this rather than have to play the whole VN to be able to watch the same story.
Then that's just a bad decision to not be inclusive for other fans who hadn't played the VN or complete the game. It's just another reason why this show is bad.
Grasping the basics of the source material? They adapted things from several different routes and mushed them into one. So your definition of the basics is playing every single route of the VN before watching the anime? And yes, it is a standalone anime, (though not a standalone piece of entertainment or art) but viewers should only be expected to have watched the original anime adaptation and not played the game (which btw I have). I mean that is the point right? To adapt the the VN to a new medium to a new audience...
Huh? In the VN things were different. There were two major routes in the VN. In one these routes, Kagari was disguised as Yuki to get closer to Mayuri. Basically, Yuki was actually Kagari in disguise. In the other route, Kagari was just Kagari, and Yuki was just Yuki. I guess they didn't follow neither route, and it became a jumbled mess? At least if Digi didn't miss a key story point.
1:37 - This is especially the case for 0. 0 does the same but kicks that up to 11. Whether or not you think that ks a good idea or not is up to you. 2:40 - Once again, Mayuri is not an autist. Your interpretation of her character is flawed. She's literally anything but an autist, you basically admitted that last video as well without saying it directly. 3:34 - If you read up on literally any of the promo material VN or not, this shouldn't be your expectation. Essentially, you got yourself overhyped, for a lack of a better word. 3:59 - And if you understood the original at all, you would know this is impossible, since SERN isn't in control of the time machine in the Beta Attractor Field, which is the entire premise for the story, you know. The story taking place in Beta. 4:40 - In that case, the VN might be for you, as that's essentially what the VN was structured like. 6:48 - As a VN reader I'm really happy they adapted this scene, becauss of a nod to the other VNs in SciADV. That's just a side tangent though. 7:31 - Yes and no. It still serves to set up everything that happens after. Is it extended? Yes. Was the anime original scenes it brought us worth it? Also yes, imo. Especially the DaruYuki subplot. 9:13 - This is a misunderstanding. There are no paradoxes in Steins;Gate. The mechanics of the show simply doesn't allow it. 10:57 - Once again, Mayuri isn't autistic. Read back to my original point. 11:35 - No. In worldlines where SERN isn't the main villain, the rounders aren't active. 12:01 - Moeka is still a Rounder. She still works for FB but she isn't assigned with track down time travel duty because the original D-Mail wasn't picked up by ECHELON 12:56 - Yeah, that was a Red Herring. It worked better in the VN since the actual perpetrator is an actual character in the VN. 13:56 - It's expanded upon in the VN. This isn't anything against that point, it alsk saddens me that we didn't get that part adapted into the anime. 14:38 - Cringe inducing, maybe, but in tone with the characters? Absolutely. 14:50 - >Rukako. Please. Also. Regarding the future, it does make sense that they would take up arms when they're a major player in the time travel race. 15:14 - I've always admitted this was a cheap shot and it still is. 15:29 - Take a look at the lyrics, will ya? This is one of the Ending themes for the VN. I can't really argue anything here, since the main love for the song comes it you've read the VN. 17:38 - I guess this is all subjective. I personally liked it. 18:02 - That's your misunderstanding of the characters. We've already covered this in the last video. 18:18 - Most of the fanbase would disagree there. Me included. 18:51 - That's convergence acting. She literally cannot kill him as he is needed to be there to brainwash Kagari in the future.
@@Muffin-777 The only reason it's poorly written is the anime skipping out on one detail. The rest can be summer up to Convergence. Reminder that Convergence can turn even the most skilled fighter into a Stormtrooper.
@@Muffin-777 That part was indeed rather weird. That said, those people had to die according to Convergence. If Kagari hadn't done it, a possibility is that they could have simply collapsed and died of a heart attack. They'd have died no matter what.
@@Muffin-777 Leskinen clearly said in ep.18 that Kagari's body is improved with future's gadgets. Better here than in VN where she was like that but no one explains why. Bad direction but at least it's coherent
in ep. 21, 22,23??? of S;G-0, Yuki is shown in the leather helmet gear helping fight with Okarin in front of her with zero explanation. they also show a scene where one biker chick seemed to have killed another. No explanation!
reasons why the s;g 0 vn was even WORSE than the anime -the cringe scenes were dragged out and twice as long (like the scene where okabe confuses maho for a child, this was a brief scene in the anime while we spend half an hour on it in the vn while i was just screaming YES. I GET IT. THIS LOLI CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY AN ADULT, PLEASE MOVE TF ON) -all the forced romance between okabe/maho, okabe/amadeus and okabe/mayuri -all the gross incesty scenes with daru/suzuha and mayuri/kagari -the fanservice was way more excessive -daru was even more gross than he was in the anime -plot holes and unanswered questions that the anime actually managed to fix/answer -the yuki plot twist. that is all (trust me, nothing happening in the anime with yuki was actually doing the anime a big favour...) -there were more war scenes in the anime, which do nothing but break your suspension of disbelief further with faris being in them, acting like she usually does
This. I agree completely. The romance and incest was reaaaaally disturbing. Then the fucking Yuki plot twist, oh my lord. When I saw Kagari's reveal as a woman in a motorcycle suit and she was ACTUALLY KAGARI I was so fucking happy. Jesus christ what even went trhough their heads that they thought throwing in that Kagari turned into Yuki 3 years before the games events (basically in... 2008?) was...wow. Also, jesus christ I wish I could post the screenshot I have of the Lab fight with "Kagari" and Suzuha. Literally Suzuha was naked, ontop of "Kagari" with Kagari's ass super tight (jfc, this is a serious scene!!) side boob from suzuha and some Suzu-ass. THen when Kagari is dying on the rooftop before the first time machine explosion YOU SEE HER SUPER TIGHT ASS AGAIN LIKE OK I GET ITS A TIGHT SUIT BUT MY LORD, CAN THE FOCUS NOT BE THE FANSERVICE FOR ONE MOMENT?! Also, I liked the last episode of the anime because it essentially took Vega and Altair (where the successful launch of the time machine was headed with a confrontation with Kagari) and Recursive mother goose where Kagari voices her disdain of Mayuri/Suzuha's decision and they come to some sort of understanding. So that part was actually REALLY great. Overall the anime while faulty was better than the VN and really made me like SG0 more.
Holdup...fan service? It’s a visual novel I know, but there really was not a lot of fanservice. I mean I wish I could beat the crap out of faris to get her to shut up with the nyans. Nothing else. Just wanted to say that.
You make a whole lot of really good points and I really hope you talk about the horrific fight choreography between Kagiri and the soldiers but can you deny the amazing soundtrack that rivals the original
Maybe Spoilers about the VN: The connection between Yuki and the group that stormed the FG-Lab actually is explained and there is a explanation why Yuki much of the story was a bit distance from Daru. Also Kagaris similar appearance to Kurisu does play into it's story and there was an entire plot thread connected to that in the VN that was removed from the Anime. Also yeah, Rukakos Sword fighting is not in the VN... ;D There is also much more time to setup thing much more naturally and there is no expositary dialog in it.
@@yuancampos2 I think the appearance could have something with it. Because I seem to remember that there were many more subjects and Kagari was the first "vessel" compatible with the memories. I think the compatibility could be visible in their similar trades (for example their hair and eye colors). Donno how DNA works but in Steins Gate logic I think the two are similar in that regard and because of that look alike (like family or twins have similar appearances cause of their DNA).
A time machine created by connecting a cell phone to a microwave and powered by the signal wave of a large CRT television is the precise reason it is *so so scientifically accurate*. Anyone who truly understands quantum mechanics will understand. It's whole time travel mechanics, the whole world line kerr black hole stuff are actually a lot of our best theories for how time travel could be possible all put together. This show is probably more scientific than anything I have ever seen It was actually a big plus for me when I first watched it, especially because that was literally the time I had read volumes about quantum physics and got a lot of interest in the subject. Unlike you, who thought it was actually nonsense techno babble, and believed it to be a negative aspect without actually understanding it Oh, and the satellite not being removed doesn't count as 'unscientific'. And that is DEFINITELY not unique to this show. And it might have been taken down after a few hours since afterall it's a big object Sorry
Its not that I dont think the science makes sense, its that its deloberately ridiculous to hopscotch belivability. Obviously this shit isnt **possible** or else it wouldve been easily recreated irl
Eh, not really. It's true that they go to great lengths to explain how their brand of time travel works, and I am quite impressed at how many concepts (both scientific and pseudoscientific) they manage to include and at least make it sound somewhat plausible on a surface level, but let's get real here. There is no way what they're proposing could actually work.
Isn't this a Deen Fate Stay Night sequel? As in, instead of focusing on one route it takes both at the same time so it's complete garbage? You can't really blame the writer if so, you're not watching what he wrote, you're watching someone make a bad business decision of trying to coup together 2 completely different stories (and obviously failing)
Cant say that I agree with every thing you said here.. but goddamn the way you talk and express your frustration with the show is effing entertaining.. you have a real talent man.. wish I had that too..
What blows my mind about Steins;Gate 0 is that in a show that's hammered home the idea for 2 seasons that time paradoxes should be avoided at all costs, the main villain's premise is that he works with his future self to gain control of the time machine, creating a loop where infinite future Leskinens need to use the knowledge past Leskinens gave them to brainwash Kagari to help future versions of himself capture the time machine and do the same thing. The show that preached avoiding contact with yourself because of time paradoxes now has its plot hinge on a plot paradox. Granted, my investment and suspension of disbelief was beyond destroyed at this point, so it didn't really bother me until I thought about it in retrospect. How do you mess up a time travel story that badly? (Sorry for deleting and reposting this a couple of times; I think UA-cam was automatically filtering my comments from something I was saying. I think I fixed the phrasing of it now so that it shouldn't be hidden.)
Very late to the series, and I gotta say that Zero is definitely worse than the original. Though the last 5 episodes were a blast. I'm telling my wife to just watch a summary video then watch episode 18 till the end.
There is a difference between the scriptwriter (who is the same for both seasons as Digi mentions) and the director (who is indeed a different one from the first season). So Digi is wondering how the guy who wrote one of his favorite scripts also managed to write one that he hates even though it's part of the same universe.
sounds kidna cool to have tension dissolve in a more bathos way. like a narrative that subverts people getting killed under certain tropes and surviving anyway.
You basically misunderstood all characters personalities, motivations and the very plot itself. I only agree in one thing. Steins;Gate 0, like most spin offs is unneeded. But since we have so many visual novel spin offs, drama cds and comics that explain, expand and allow us to contrast between each other, that we should inmerse ourselves on them and learn more about their world. I'm dissapointed on you. I truly believed that you gave yourself the time to check and compare sources and the like, but being so lazy as to find "reading boring" i can't respect you anymore.
@Digibro "Should"? Yeah, says who though? You decided that. I think the idiotic move is to take anything 'artistic' and to say that it has to be like you want it to be. It's art, it's subjective, that's the whole fucking point. I get that you feel that acting like some form of authority in your videos is cool, and that's your choice, but doing that in the comments is just obnoxious.
@@Defiring I'm pretty sure Marvel is making bank because people don't have to read their comics to understand their movies. Any good adaptation will be enhanced by prior knowledge but it should be able to stand alone to be enjoyed. Go ahead and disrespect Digi for not hunting down info before posting his videos, that's fine, but those extras shouldn't be a requirement for the average audience to enjoy the sequel or the original anime for that matter. Most people won't go that extra mile unless they enjoy consuming every bit of media related to a specific property. And even then, not all things are enjoyed equally, which tends to happen the bigger a franchise gets.
@J. Stanley Yeah, the budgets are a little different buddy, and we weren't even the target audience. I don't think I have to remind you of that, but in Japan, the original work usually takes priority over everything else.
@@Defiring But we're not talking about the budget. I was pointing out that a good adaptation doesn't need to stick religiously close to the original; it needs to take the original elements and revise them into a cohesive whole that works for the medium that it's being adapted into. Visual novels are experienced differently from an anime just as a book is experienced differently from a movie. The former are both visual mediums, which helps a lot, but there's usually a big difference in how a game you're expected to play through multiple times is told and how a more linear anime is told. Besides, one can't assume every single Japanese person plays the game before watching an anime adaptation of the same because even though Japan has a very group-focused society that doesn't mean individuals don't have preferences. Some people might not have the time either since video games tend to run longer, especially a very slow and methodical visual novel. I'm much more inclined to believe they'd read the manga first while they're sitting on the subway, if they have enough room to do so, but guess what? Sometimes the anime comes before the manga so that could also be an adaptation. Not everyone experiences things in the order of release and not everyone cares about the original medium it was created for. It can help explain some issues but it's not the most important thing ever.
This show has got to be one of the best examples of exploitation of the peak-end rule I’ve ever seen. They ended the show literally by rebuilding the ending of Steins;Gate. Anyone who watched to the end will feel those memories come back and be fond of how it ends. That’s enough for the human psyche to say “hey, the ending was good, and that’s the most memorable, so therefore 0 must be great!” 0 did a ton in the middle that made no sense, with plot holes everywhere. I felt myself wanting to drop the show in the middle, only to power through and think it was excellent based on the ending alone. This analysis is bringing back all the plot inconsistencies and outright holes. And I feel cheated for considering it great based on the end with this much crap everywhere else. Note: I’m not saying the end was perfect or anything. Just that 0 pulled in a lot of the original show’s ending, and I enjoyed that. So memory association says “hey, that was good, and this is basically what that was, so this is good too!”
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He wears suspenders with a TANK TOP!?
this is the offensiveness!
The worst problem for me is that he uses suspenders with a belt at the same time.
oh good, I'm not crazy and characters did grow megatits
This in and of itself didn’t bother me so much as it was just a microcosm of the purpose of the whole show which is, uh, yeah, pretty much fan service in the most authentic sense. Show all the characters, make the girls “more appealing” (I like it, personally, but it’s obviously subjective) synthesize a new adventure that feels like the first, and so on.
nah moeka and mayuris were always big
God that pissed me off in this. I think that's the major thing that made me instantly question why this series was really created.
Even though you can technically call the original a harem, just like the sequel, it was never blatant with it. Sure we saw the characters occasionally in somewhat sexualized positions and it certainly seemed like more than one of them had a crush on Okabe. But it was never the focus, and the only relationship that really gets developed on is the one that ends up being cannon.
But in the sequel, that little occasional romantic interaction shot up to 11. Okabe had so many very active love interests. From Maho to even Suzuha and Moeka to a degree. They all were given extra big boobs aside from Karisu and Maho. They even contrive a way for us to get sexy underwear parties with the cast. Never mind the fact that I'm pretty sure these arent exactly the kind of girls who would want to model super risque garmants in the first place. Maybe actual pajamas.
I took issue with this show, but I did find it way more entertaining than Digibro did obviously. However I do agree that there were so many pointless things and just plain old bad things about it.
Generally, I liked the idea of him suffering from pstd, and watching him work through his issues was gratifying. Could it have been done better? Absolutely.
I also like the idea behind the Kyouma persona being a sort of hopeful aspect of the story. It's a development of both Okabe and Kyouma separately, since the persona started off as a way to comfort his friends and entertain them then became a self defense mechanism as well which was amplified with more trauma. His abandoning of it said a lot--that he didn't see the point anymore or he didn't have the energy to maintain it anymore. He then realizes later on that it was one of the things that got him through the hardest time in his life.
Also, in argument against Amadeus, it isn't Karisu. That is ultimately the point of many of the scenes. How easy it is for Okabe to admit that she isn't Karisu and not using her as a crutch.
How I feel about the above doesn't excuse the poor execution, especially on Mayuri's part. I felt like so much of the story was bogged down by this issue.
Aerie Leah basically sums ups my feelings yeah
Generally speaking, megatits = immature anime. But hey, I'm old.
I was planning on defending 0 after 4-5 min into the video, but they I remember the shit ton of dangling threads the anime (I guess game as well) left undone. You picked most, but I remember in one episode where Okabe went to the future, after he came back there was another girl (Majuri's friend) that she remembers being to the future/alternate reality probably showing Okabe is not the only one with Reading Steiner ability. IT NEVER GET BROUGHT UP AGAIN...
Yeah I don't understand what the fuck they were thinking about those threads. It's explained in the vn but the anime shouldn't have introduced it if it wasnt going to do anything with it.
@@alexsmith3781 mind informing us on what the explanation was?
Nothing with it happens in the VN either. Fubuki is being used by Leskinen and so are the other patients. Okabe and the others never bother saving her nor is anything done with the information afterwards. It was mainly there to show that the world-line changing by Russia was affecting other people outside of Okabe's circle.
Since she still has to go to the hospital i believed she would get braimwashed there into helping leskinen( or whatever his name was)
In one route of the VN Okabe talks to Fubuki about what they experience in the alternative timeline, confirming that it wasn't just a dream. Leskinen then later finds out through Fubuki that Okabe also has the reading steiner ability. That is all Plot relevance Fubuki has in all six routes, yes in every other route Fubuki is irrelevant and/or ignored
Remember that scene in the original where the redhead was taking a bath with the autistic friend or whatever and the scientist guy walks in. I'd love to see a discussion of that scene in a writing class.
Harlock Aznable Call me stupid or whatever but I seriously see nothing wrong in that scene. And the friend wasn’t really autistic but whatever.
Yeahhhhh. Remove that scene and the one where he gropes Ruka and SG is pretty much perfect.
SG is one of my favorite shows ever and that part always pains me because I hate when that kind of cringey anime humor is shoehorned in. I know it's kind of a culture thing but I just can't stand it. It singlehandedly prevented me from being able to enjoy Log Horizon.
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I dont see anything wrong with the scene either, but a writing class discussion would be funny anyway. I only said autistic girl cuz digi calls her that and I forget her name.
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Harlock Aznable Ohh ok I understand your point now.
I would give my kidney to see a chimera ant style heist mission involving limited time travel. That's the most heartbreaking thing I've ever heard, because it sounds awesome, but will probably never be a thing.
Lol, I completely agree. Friggin Digi, bro. Setting up awesome potential that will never become realized.
That's why good fanfiction is a possibility
What do you mean by 'chimera ant style heist mission'?
@@GibbousTT HunterxHunter contains this immaculate assassination plot that goes play by play through the actions of several parties of people as they all splinter away from one another to cope with a constantly evolving battle.
It always makes me think of heist movies where the plan gets compromised, and suddenly each member of the team finds themselves compromised and under pressure.
It still could be made. As an alternative reality story for season 2, or straight up season 3. That would be awesome. I'd love it. Tho I highly doubt it as well that something like this will be created, sadly
Digi: "SAO is great. Steins;Gate 0 is garbage."
Me: Digi has finally snapped.
Except the point of that vid was that the title was sarcasm.
I don't know what to think anymore. First FLCL sequel and now this? I'm not sure if I should ever look up anime sequel reviews anymore.
The darkest timeline...
Honestly, I'm glad you didn't fall for the SAO clickbait.
Time to piss off people. I liked In another world with my Smartphone more than FLCL.
I hope you bring up how bad the animation quality and direction was compared to the original in this..
I watched both series back to back and the original definitely looks way better. A lot of that is due to superior character designs, outfits, and art in general though.
I will in part 3
Shovel Knight It's a four part series boi
Digibro fuck yeah
+Digibro Jesus christ, how many parts are you going to do? Why are you _so_ full of hate?
Not trying to defend Steins;Gate 0, the anime, but I think a lot of the problems came from mixing all the routes together, not gonna lie
Im pretty sure it hindered 0 more than the original but the original also has multiple endings
The original has one linear main plot.
Zero has two main routes, and both of them are important for the true ending.
i dunno, is steins;gate 0 about the starting line where he drops the time machine research altogether, but ends up picking it up later in 2032?
"i dunno, is steins;gate 0 about the starting line where he drops time machines altogether, but ends up picking it up later in 2032?"
I don't know what you wanted to say, but this has no sense at all what you write here
did you even watch the anime dude
right at the start Kurisu starts asking okabe about something he has said, although they never met before, and there's the message of the future of Okabe giving his past self a mission briefing before attempting to save Kurisu from certain death.
Me no agree with you, therefore entire video is bad. disliked reported cya in anime court.
Justin Y. Our hero!
hey! did you take vacations IRL? i havent seen you spaming youtube for like a month or two!
Let us start in the rise of Justin Y.'s comment to the top of the comment section. May he gains thousands, if not millions, of likes.
Why are you here? I'm not complaining I'm just asking.
he never replies
These videos have been super cathartic for me. Everything you’ve said about this show’s meandering plot had been bouncing around in my head since 0 started airing, but almost no one was talking about it, so I felt like I was just missing something. Like I wasn’t paying enough attention. Thank god someone else was just as disappointed by this show. Looking forward to hearing you talk about the direction and stuff - that was probably my biggest problem with 0.
Ikr so many reviews were like (8-10)/10 and i really couldnt see why for my life
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the answer is probably that they didnt understand steins gate 2011 in the first place, its the only thing i could think of
or maybe they liked it for different reasons
Same here. Can't wait for part 3 because the direction is the thing that stood out the most for me. Where are those glorious wallpaper-worthy shots from the original SG? Why is the lighting so flat, on every frame? It's like whoever directed this had no motivation at all and didn't care.
Reviews for most shows are in the 8-10 range nowadays. General ratings, and even critic ratings in some cases, don't have much meaning when there's incentive everywhere for higher ratings. Most people don't like rating things they don't like, most people who like the original don't pay as much attention to sequels because they just don't have to and need a lot to break attachment to characters that were once written well, most people like to think that what they watched was a good use of their time and yet can't think that for some reason if they see what they watched as bad.
IGN's high 8 ratings for the Fates games, as well as the reasons attached, still make no sense to me. The majority of both were just bad, and what they did get right should only bring them up to a low 7 even if you don't see many of the gaping problems they had.
the 0 VN is less linear compared to the original Steins;gate VN when it came to obtaining the true ending route, that's the reason the plot structure is a bit of a mess, because they gutted some plot points from the other routes that would have made the adaptation more interesting.
The anime was even more frustrating to watch as someone who played the VN. Sure, the story *probably* didn't need to be told, but at least the VN told it better. You find out about different parts of the story through the different endings, which are supposed to be clues on how you get to the other endings and eventually lead Okabe down the path that slaps him out of his depression and makes him go back to being Hououin Kyouma.
In the anime they took 5 different endings that happen on different world lines and tried to squeeze almost all of it into a linear story.
They also decided to keep Amadeus Kurisu in the story way past her time in the VN for the some reason. You find out in the super-bad-end that using Amadeus allows Leskinen to know where Okabe is, which is supposed to make you *not* use it unless it's a forced part of the story in order to get to the other endings.
The meeting with Kurisu that they spent an entire episode on was actually a conversation that takes place entirely within the Future Gadget Lab and is maybe 5-10 minutes long at best.
And Kurisu making that quick makes way more sense because she wants him to go back and forget her, instead we get OH MY GOD THE MAYURI DIES TIMELINE IS SOOOOOO BAAAAAD what a shitshow
To be fair, the 0 VN was shit as well. The 0 VN gave me a false sense of hope with the Okinawa scene, but then went in a downward spiral from there.
I thought it was interesting to see how Okabe became the person that convinces himself in another world line that he needs to fool the world, but yes it could have been done better.
Wtf ep 8 is fucking amazing and better than the vn LMAO
they just wanted more foe-kurisus on screen.... once again, despite the fact that this show was supposed to be in a universe where Kurisu doesn't exist. They just wanted to up the Kurisu melodrama.
The transcribing process is the SciAdv series magic stuff that is part of Steins gate as well. The Time Leap tech is based on that after all.
I feel it's important to add that the assistant makes an angry "I'm definitely not an antagonist" glare towards the camera like two minutes before motorcycle helmet chick shows up so I thought it was painfully obvious it was her from the get go
Yeah, but the emphasis in Yuki as a character seemed so intentionally-pulling-for-a-payoff, that I had to believe it was her, and then it got into nothing like all the other loose threads in 0.
I’m curious, anyone know the context behind that crossover fan art at 0:37. Blake from RWBY, Velvet from Tales of Berseria, Jotaro, Ryuko, Sasuke, and what looks to be the Devil from The Devil is a Part Timer, and Akame from Akame ga Kill. Odd collection of characters.
T Cat I guess it has to do with that those characters all have black hair and use swords. Well except Jotaro, he doesn’t have a sword.
Shyjoker Ohh well if you put it that way than yeah I guess that works.
Digi was on the context of fanfics so I'd assume that's a fanfic that's floating on the internet somewhere
I think it's the fact that they're all famously edgy characters or essentially the same person, except maybe Jotaro, I know he's super edgy, but he's not hot blooded and reckless like Ryuko and the others.
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Except the Devil from the Devil is a Part Timer is a laid back, cool headed, and goofy character. So I can't actually imagine whats tying this group together
I played the VN way before the anime was even announced, and I said it from the beginning: this won't work as an adaptation because the story is non linear, and you can't fully understand it unless you play all the routes.
Plenty of anime are non-linear too and I haven't seen any anime-onlys fail to understand it
I mean it in the sense that pretty early the game separates into two different story lines, and each one has multiple endings. That helps in keeping the mystery throughout multiple playthroughs, and when all the elements and plot points come together in the end it's very satisfying. The anime is unable to adapt every route while still making sense to an anime only viewer, thus the plot holes and the characters that seemingly don't do anything.
Thank you for specifying 'badly written fanfiction', rather than lumping it all together as a catch-all pejorative. once again it may seem like a small thing, but like your disclaimer that you hate SAO, not its fans, it's the kind of stuff that consistently keeps my respect for you sky-high and keeps me as a viewer around, as much as all the actual analysis and being right about stuff.
Except his 'badly written fanfiction' statement is based off a flawed understanding of the universe and its characters. An understanding you could easily have gained from the anime adaptations alone.
@ShahS 1221 There's rwby fanfiction I'm reading called service with a smile and damn does that fanfiction do the forgotten characters justice!
@@thetruth9952 The thing is that 0 is canon.
Mario Badia
I’m reading that fic. Coeur Al’Aran, right? Dude’s a magazine writer and even charges people on patreon for creative writing lessons because he’s that legit. Absolute cream of the fanfiction crop there.
Personal list of RWBY fanfic authors if you like him:
Imyoshi(Silver)
Random O’ Panda(Charismatic Gamer)
Dravyn LeCrux(The Red Queen)
College Fool(Everything, he’s Coeur’s only equal IMO)
Super Saiyan Cyndaquil(Auburn, Spectrum)
literalsin(The Name of the Game)
ThePhantomScribe(Live, Die, Repeat)
Jiu-jitsu dude(A Monster’s Marriage), if nothing else, read this for the hilarity that ensues betwee Mercury’s daddy issues and Adult Jaune’s ignorance.
Ryuugi(The Games We Play), gonna have to read this one elsewhere, since he stopped uploading on fanfiction.net after 26th chapter. You can still use that if you have a mild interest, though.
Too bad he doesn't specify that in Part 4
Steins;gate 0 VN handles the kagari thing awfully, where for no reason and no explanation kagari can be nobody at all, a sleeper agent, or instead be plastic surgeried into looking like daru's future wife. All of these things happen in the same timeline, even reading steiner activating. I have no idea what they were thinking with kagari, her only role in the story ends up being just to show Leskinen is bad and it's handled in the worst way possible.
Moeka and Kagari should have been left out.
You ask the question if someone would be compelled to watch Steins Gate 0 outside of already knowing and loving the characters. Which is pretty weird considering most people don't watch another season of an anime without having first watched the original. The pull for me in Steins Gate 0, from even episode 1, was simply just Okabe trying to move forward despite his trauma and PTSD. It's very compelling and it makes sense to explore this side of him.
shit eating excuse
Wait... DIdn't we establish in the original anime that the ability "reading steiner" didn't actually exist and instead what actually happens is that everyone carries their memories between world lines to a greater or lesser extent? I... I'm not misrememberring that right?
When it was revealed that Okabe was being thrown to another timeline because there was someone experimenting on the time machine, I was expecting there to be more and more experimentation as the story progress. Okabe needed to realize that his Reading Steiner would activate more and more frequently when more people had their time machine built. To prevent that, he needed to get his shit done very soon, or else he would be thrown back and forth between timelines and had zero control over the situation.
But nope, it only happened because Kurisu is popular and we need to have a repeat of episode 22 from the original show, great job.
That did happen, in the vn
"it only happened because Kurisu is popular and we need to have a repeat of episode 22 from the original show, great job."
Nope. You're wrong at all. 0 Okabe's trip to Alpha give him one piece of the puzzle: That everything depends on our perpective. That convergence depends on our perspective. ("From her perspective, is that how we first met?" Then, after a few seconds, he realizes something. Watch episode 8 again at around 20:00)
Levente Kis
Is it worth opening a whole new can of worms just for that small discovery? That realization could have been done by any other character, considering that Okabe is the only person with memory from other timelines. There's no reason introducing a new plot point (that will never be brought up ever again) just for that revelation.
What 0kabe realized in episode 8; is that the very first time she "met an Okabe" was NEITHER of the 2 times he could actually remember [implying there COULD be a third one he is not yet aware of... ]
From his perspective, the first time HE remembers meting her she had already "seen an Okabe" before ( through the first episodes of Steins;Gate 0 he thought that other Okabe was himself from the second time he "met her for the first time" [23beta episode], after he used the FG-C203 to go back in time to accidentally killing her later); but this mistake was a consequence of never having talked with Kurisu about that "fated day" [something the Okabe he replaced in that late Alpha Worldline probably did at some point].
Hence, he realizes that if there was another version of him in that building that day, even with his "failure attempt" already set in his "own" personal past; there may be a chance for "that OTHER mysterious Okabe" he never met directly to have a chance.
-> It is rather funny that in the original Steins;Gate, this "mysterious Okabe" DOES take his time (risking his life since he was bleeding out), so "see" the one that would give him "the key to the Steins;Gate" before escaping to that future paradise [he even dedicates an internal monologue "In the memory of that Okabe_from_zero" that would never be able to see Kurisu again].
Argamis (SilverComet)
Thank you, that was a lot more clear. (Was the explanation in the anime? I don't remember seeing one, granted I watched 0 weekly so I may have forgotten it)
Just finished the whole SG franchise, and gotta say, I've had basically 99% of the experience you describe in your video. Both about the original and SG-0. Spot on.
Wow suzuha WASNT naked in the scene were she fights kagari? Not loyal to the vn at all 0/10
2:37 when was it ever stated that mayuri is "autistic"?
Hes just being stupid for no reason there
Like i agree that 0 has a lot of problems, but his take is very biased and bad... he doesnt even understand the characters@@Bangaudaala
I was thinking the whole time when you describing these problems that there was a term to describe all of these problems at once and then I remembered the title to one of my favorite extra credits videos "In Service to the Brand" and that is what this series is suffering from they are so shackled to the success of the previous show that they dare not stray to far or do anything that the fan base would consider "not Stein's Gate" which makes the show for anyone wanting that spark of originality that the original show had completely die this was just as good as the first video if not better can't wait for the next
This analysis could stand for "the writer's trap", and mostly what bring people you thought of as creative, revolutionary and fresh, to fall into that pit of re-using 95% of their original material even if you have to bring them back from the dead (killing all tension/grief brought by a much original material), calling for a 'twin-that-looks-like-him-but-not', ret-con facts by force or do the fan-fiction best-worst trope: these awful reunion episodes.
"Look at my characters! Weren't they cool?" "What do you want? Do you want to see them go-karting? Paint their nails? Have a island/beach arc?? Please like them again!" - This is the sign of: I gave up and know nothing better than throw them in a bag 'cause they're all great.
Adventure Time had an entire episode about it "All the Little People", and it was probably the best demonstration that this is pointless story-breaking. Sequences with characters apart are what makes a show/book/story great.. when just indulging fan temporary ship needs is just futile, and short-lived.
But it could make for a great video, deeper than this one. Why after having wrote the most popular pieces in history, writers like J.K Rowling who have said EVERY possible thing on their worlds, have more money than ever needed to retire and go someplace calm to write something new, keep bringing the worst excuses to write some canon-but-atrocious new little stories, to catastrophic extends (like re-writing a fan-fiction time-travel old-school reunion theatre play - I'm serious - into a new book.)
Same here with Jukki Hanada, who is a far more productive writer, but fall into the same appealing pit of sitting down with your old toys and make them fight each other and discuss in every combination possible until you get bored again. And trapped writers like this can be count by the hundreds.
Good exposition. Gets me thinking. At least the writers after publishing the 0 VN said they're "done with these characters" -- no more writer's traps for them, if they can keep to their word.
It's too bad stuff like this happens; I'd much rather be left with an incredibly satisfying conclusion to an in my mind near-perfect execution of an anime, than to get a second season that's just... disappointing in how different it all is.
That said, I can enjoy 0 despite agreeing with pretty much everything Digibro puts out there. I was *so* into that "Yuki's gonna turn out bad" thing, and even imagined she was a red herring, but there was absolutely no pay-off to either theory being correct. Sad.
Honestly, after Shaymalan became like patient zero of this phenomenon, NOBODY should be surprised that this happens.
@@Shrooblord I honestly wish this was true. Sadly, this is always up to viewers numbers. Enough viewers, enough audience to read or watch or play whatever you want them to play when they'll need their next dose of Steins;Gate.
Hopefully not enough for another anime, regarding this one's quality. But would you be surprised if they pulled of an OAV out of this? Like "Timeline Gamma", that time where Okabe saved no one but his true love.. or things like this. And if not enough viewers, a phone app about tournament fighting with the characters.
The whole point where it's worth digging the topic of writer's trap is the following: it takes a huge, HUGE effort to see your universe grow that big, and then have enough self judgement to know "no, what I have to bring isn't relevant enough that it would deserve being added to that universe I love because it would affect the quality of the original material. But people should still think about it 99 times before doing so.
@@Arrakiz666 Oh! I don't think he was! Probably he was a MASSIVE example, buy you can surely go as far as.. Batman and Superman going hockey or player cricket for some dumb reason.. that's why people mock old comics, because if you have the bad idea of digging, you'll find the most serious characters have dumb stories like this because someone thought it was funny or not that important that they could write a piece contributing, and it was "canonical" by Marvel or DC.
Or even how Conan Doyle wrote a following after killing Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty, pulled of the 'he wasn't dead, he just faked it' and this, still to this date, plage EVERY Sherlock material.
No matter how bad everyone says this anime is as a sequel, I will forever love it for the last 3 episodes (especially the last scene of ep 23)
The last three episodes were not enough to justify the rest of the shit.
@@comicsans1689 You really think The last three episodes will be good without 20-episode foreshadowing？ Did you ever watch Steins;gate? By your standard, half of it would be shit！
18:46 OH GOD THANK YOU
I think that Mayuri Shiina said it best near the end of the first series: "...and a good thing too, the Okarin that broods all day is no fun!"
I get the perception of fanfiction being "lesser forms of storytelling" but I've been lucky enough to find plenty of diamonds in the rough. That and even the more average ones have some form of passion to them whether it might be misplaced or not. Really, I try not to complain since people do it for fun and I'm not one to get in the way.
In the VN, Both Yuki and Kagari were spandex girls. The VN is a convoluted mess with 2 separate practically disconnected stories, which the Anime tries to join. Often, the anime writes in a setup which as a payoff in Route A, but the Anime follow route B, and therefore never resolves it.
The only thing i can say i'd change in the anime is that the "good" ending is rather lame. I'd rather they chose Rukako's or Faris', Rukako's specially was really good.
Honestly, I think they should have done more to differentiate itself from the original VN, as by being to faithful while also reworking its structure, it ends up being a clusterfuck
Jesus christ that's a retarded idea. How did they even think it'd work ?
Actually in the VN only Kagari was a spandex biker helmet girl, the Yuki in the suit that appears is actually (SPOILERS FOR THE VN)
An alternate reality where Kagari had plastic surgery to take on the form and role of Yuki in order to infiltrate the main cast and steal the time machine, and also to kill Daru but she (who I remind IS KAGARI) falls in love with Daru in the end and dies during the same helicopter scene.
The female professor does turn out to be a female biker asides from Kagari in the VN's major ending lines, but like a lot of things the anime dropped it got shot with a gun.
Honestly even the VN is a big mess...
They should just adapt it like Higurashi, where all iteration routes are adapted. 0 plot works because of two major routes, connected by D-Rine. 0 adaptation is disappointing.
When you initially talk about reactive vs proactive, what I immediately think of is jonathan joestar vs joseph joestar, really shows how araki's writing evolved from part 1 to 2 and how much difference a proactive protag makes
I still prefer Jonathan.
I strongly disagree but go off I guess.
moeka does still work for fb, i assume that he was the one who hired her to protect hiyajou since he was protecting kagari
I was somewhat agreeing with some of his points in the video, until he shit-talked our shaman girl loving best boy Leskinen.
You mean worst boy, because he turns out to be a supervillain FOR NO REASON.
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Well, SERN was the same. A bad organization made of bad guys who want to rule the world using the time machine.
At least SERN didn't do a character 180 in the last act, they were evil the entire time.
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Leskinen was pretending to be the good guy so he was evil the entire time
so in other words a lazy last minute villain.
The hook from the get-go is that clearly this is the Okabe who makes the future video. This show is his journey to get to that point. That's enough of a hook.
And it was a rather boring journey that involved the writers conceiving weak plot points and filler. Steins;Gate 0 was completely unnecessary, and just wasted everyone's time.
@@comicsans1689 I agree, but Digi said there was no hook. I disagree.
Ngl the only part I truly enjoyed were the interactions between Mayuri and Kagari. So obviously Recursive Mother Goose was my favourite episode. Also that great moment when Leniskin appears on the roof and goes 'This was a joint effort between myself and I' made me slow clap at how audacious yet genius this strategy was.
"I love story twists that make the story worse." - Red Letter Media
Your pissed about Yuri.......What about Mayuri's song. So Mayuri's song triggers Kagari's memories. Then we found out that future Mayuri taught future Kagari the song. This leads to reveal that young Mayuri learnt the song from young Rintaro who in turn learnt the song from time displaced Kagari. That inception bullshit was never explained and immediately dropped. We see her hospital like clothing and she is suppose to be a captive at the time. So how did she escape? She looks about the same age back then as now. So then how old is she now? What was the point of her being in Rintaro's past? What was the point the song as a plot if none of that was going to be explained? Nope she gains her memories back and that's it.
I keep getting the feeling the creators were making stuff up as they made the episodes and dropped plots that they couldn't make work.
Honestly I was so zoned out during that mini arc I forgot it happened
"That inception bullshit" is actually just how time travel works though? I believe it'd be the grandfather paradox in a case like that? Idk man,I'm not an expert,but I at least understand the theory enough to get the anime.
Isn't that just bootstrap paradox? They mention it in Steins;gate before.
Paradoxes were been done way better in the first series. They had significance. In the first series we see that Suzuha travelling into the past is what makes it possible for them to access the IBM machine but also made the apocalyptic future exist and seals Miyuri's death. The future had to exist in order for her to also return to the present and provide Rintaro with the ability to shift to the Alpha time line. That paradox had weight. We saw what happened to Suzuha when a simple wish to have her meet her father altered her plans and her ability to time travel. My issue is that Mayuri's song paradox seemed like decent tie in at the time but it basically led no where narratively. There is no significance beyond it being an over elaborate plot trigger. Its just there to provide some semblance that time is still messed up and creates new unanswered questions.
@@vinion2000 Fair enough,I can see that. I feel like a lot of people probably went into 0 expecting something totally different so it may have hindered the experience. Like if someone hands you a glass of tea and tells you it's lemonade.
Literally every Digibro video, I have to keep a pitchfork and an angry mob close
Good video, Digi. I don't comment often, but I watch all your videos and give a few dollars on Patreon. I appreciate your existence.
As a lapsed fanfiction writer, that description of how fanfiction tends to work is so spot-on it hurts.
Digi, seriously you're having nostalgia syndrome. Like, you say you don't care that steins gate isn't realistic, but you attack steins gate 0 because it isn't realistic? really?
I love your well written rants digi ^__^/ can't wait for more
by the way, because is a different attractor field (beta), the characters would be different from their counterparts in the previous attractor field (alpha). that's why, for example, Mayuri is more attached to Okabe, because she never met and got attached to Makise. Although they should have had shown more of Okabe struggling in trying to be a normie and failing.
The amount of negative attention people give you is so unwarranted and breaks my heart. I enjoy all your videos, even and especially those I happen to disagree with (and this isn't one of them. ) Thank you for making videos, Digi. You rock.
>Complains about S;G 0 being a badly-written fanfiction.
>Proposes his own fanfictional ideas and claim them being better than the badly-written fanfiction!
Nice!
I at least like his fiction better than SG:0.
The VN is unadaptable but not in the good way. While there are some good plot elements in the VN it's just such a mess.
It was stupid of me and anyone else to expect for the anime to completely fix the VN's mistakes but for what it's worth the anime is better than the VN.
Also
>Using > outside of 4chan
>implying that 4chan is only entitled to greentext
>yt had a greentext mode at some points
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>Thinks YT had a greentext function
>Defending the using green text meme outside of 4chan in the year 2018
>Uses 4chan
>Hyperlul
/ geek week was a thing.
greentext in itself is not a meme, but the stories that use it are.
I don't use 4chan, you just assumed i did.
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I completely forgot geekweek was a thing that happened oops.
Green text is a meme when it is used outside of 4chan and a dead meme at that.
The >using 4chan, thing is kind of a joke itself.
I always feel shitty when I'm hostile like this so I'm gonna excuse myself from this thread here. Take care
Thank you for providing transcripts now!!
This show actually reminds me a lot of Legend of Korra. Both sequels getting massive praise, but both ruin the characters and have nonsense stories and generally remove the things that made their originals great. Bad fanfiction applies well to both.
ArXyn Idk what was wrong with the legend of korra?
I would go on about how it trashed on the original and how korra was a bitch and a half but, i dont have all day.
If you want a proper video on it watch E:R's review on it, it's rather funny and sums up what is wrong with it.
Many, Many things:
destruction of the origins of bending: if turtles are the givers of all elements, then technically there could have been MANY AVATARS during the time of the "First Avatar".
Korra herself: She not only comes off as an entitled brat, but in many instances is saved by Deus Ex Machinas: Aang has to restore her bending, Toph has to inspire her to save herself (during the time when she was poisoned).
Korra also treats her "group" like it's Tinder: Who HADN'T she dated that was a part of their group by the end of that anime?
If waterbenders could gain so much power that they could Bloodbend AND TAKE AWAY BENDING without a full moon, WHY AREN'T THERE MORE EVIL WATERBENDERS TAKING OVER THE WORLD. A bender that can control and kill people with no respite and even defeats Korra could easily take on any other bender in the world outside of a stronger waterbender.
Let's not even talk about that fact that in the last season there is enough Plantinum in the world to make a GIANT FUCKING ROBOT WITH ENERGY LASERS. Like seriously, what the actual fuck.
Korra not only gets her ass beat by a water bender, she gets beat by a guy in season 3 that IS ONLY AN AIRBENDER. I can respect the power that Aang had in terms of Air Bending, but ain't no god damn way a newly learned Airbender able to beat a person with MASTERY over 3 elements and an EXPERT knowledge of Airbending. That shit only worked for Aang because he wasn't able to find a Firebender until Zuko came along, and even then once he went Avatar, he outranked anyone in terms of Firebending.
Korra is a hotmess in all the above ways and more. E;R may be an antagonistic ass, but he is right in terms of Korra. It's a disgrace to the legacy of Avatar TLAB.
What? LoK was heavily criticized by so many people when it came out.
I hadn't made that connection in my mind yet, but I agree with you. I already noticed how Korra was "way different" and I could only enjoy it once I accepted that I should let go how good the first series was compared to it; Korra should be viewed as if it's a new show, which takes place in "sort of the same universe". That's how I was able to enjoy it. And yes, that *is* me suppressing the arguments that question whether they shouldn't have just made an all-new thing, then, instead of expanding on previous material as if it was supposed to live up to it, but just couldn't. Bad fanfiction, like you say.
@ 4:02 Digibro basically what your asking for is “The Midnight Crew” by Andrew Hussie
Edit: there’s a character of the Felt who wields voodoo dolls and pins, each related to timelines where they were alive vs dead etc
not enough kurisu 0/10
"Man that gunfire was such an inconvenience"
Oh and some of the parts were so awkwardly rushed too, like we meet rukako in the future and 2 seconds later she dies after killing 30 armed soldiers WITH A SWORD. Like first of all wtf, she died way too quick, no build up at all. Second of all, I didn’t know ruka unlocked dragonblade and can now just genji dash into soldiers...
But he's a guy
kroIya oh ya thats right lolol
Also theres a reason to why amadeus was created and to why kurisu's memories were subject to it. I dont know if they reveal it on the anime because i only played the games but the reason is to get the time machine papers (or at least her thesis on the time machine) back from her memories.
yeah, very careful consideration was in the original.
Like telling a random mute girl about a time machine for no reason when SERN is on the loose
yeah, fuck you, Digi. Rewatch the original and realise it's retarded too
(not defending zero here, won't watch it)
Funny thing about that Yuki twist, the VN actually did do that twist. Guess this is what happens when you mix two storylines that are almost completely different from each other into one single narrative.
Anonymous User So she was the attacker at the party? Please answer I’m not trying to dig through this mess of a novel.
Mario Saldana Yeah it was Yuki, the explanation was that kagari In that timeline received surgery to look like Yuki as part of a disguise, the real Yuki was overseas
Anonymous User Damn that sounds real interesting, that would have made for a more interesting story then what we got. I’m guessing that wasn’t supposed to be hinted at with the timeline we got.
Digi please change that creepy as hell thumbnail
Please make Part 3 about zero's version of the dark future! Before every other thing (but overall boredom) this thing was the first one to truly infuriate me.
The problem with this series of videos is that by addressing some of the actual problems with the show's pacing and development of newly introduced characters, digi is free to pile up his own nitpicks and poorly thought out ramblings, making them seem more legitimate by association.
0 is far from perfect and isn't as good as season 1, but watching this rant one might get a false impression that 0 is some unwatchable pile of shit, which it is not.
I understand that criticism sells, but it's a real shame that someone might decide to not see the show or allow this guy's opinion influence their own after seeing these.
They must have had so much time, money and talent for this show I’m just baffled how it turned out
steins gate 0 explained that 1 minute on steins gate 1. a full blooded season for that 1 minute convenience.
that is masterpiece!
Instant classic vid. I was off the digi train for a while but Im back on full steam.
I gave it 9.5/10 before. But after hearing your thoughts, I'm giving it 8/10. Still a good score yes, because i enjoyed it. I cant deny that there are a lot of things that could be better. But i got an answer of how the video was sent. Im starting to think that it mightbe better to have only a short story for the future okabe, but i dont really complain. But what actually makes me happy about sg0 is the ending. Say what you will, but Okabe coming out of the time machine is still one of the best scene in 2018.
Prayoga Iwanda
I 100% agree. I was first thinking “Oh Steins;Gate 0 is better than the original” after I finished, and then reconsidered what Digi said. About 1/2 the things he said I agreed with, and 1/2 the things I disagreed with in this video, but after him pointing out the flaws in 0, I re-rated it an 7.5/10. Still good, but not better than the original.
I agree with both of you. I had the same thoughts after watching this.
I was feeling the exact same thing when Daru told Suzuha to not kill him.
18:48 but diiiigiiii, murdering murderers makes you no better than murdering innocent people, don't u no thaaaaaaat
No but seriously this trope is probably one of my most hated
I'm still waiting patiently on that oreimo video btw
To explain that, it is essentially convergence, which is plot armor manifested. Had Daru not stepped in, Suzuha would have missed or something similar. Leskinen cannot die because he needs to brainwash Kagari
Glances angrily at post season 2 Steven Universe.
SuicidalLaughter ok, so basically im digi
@@theannoyingotaku8113 The original has literally the same mechanism. Mayuri needs to die to make Okabe form the resistance
@@SeralyneYT Not the same as genocidal mass murders being treated as if they're worth redeeming and that killing them would be just as bad as killing a person. Something they've killed millions of.
I almost ALMOST want to make a big drawn out video about these opinions with my own, but I tried that once. And there are enough anitubers I do gravitate towards the mindset of digi and gigguk the most but only digi makes me want to say "no, you're right but you are also wrong" I guess cause gigguk is more about entertainment rather than criticism.
So instead I will sum it up as a big comment, I just need to get it out.
Before starting though I will point out a few more "WTF" or "really" momemts too.
Around episode 2 or something we get okabe seemingly transported into the future where he is then captured or something then picks up his phone and is transported back, there was a couple other things too, like him experiencing missing time, and cosplay girl #3 being hospitalized same time as okabe and OH look the professor is here too. All of it and more goes NOWHERE!
Ok, first off, yes steins gate 0 is not that great...its not terrible garbage like you say you made it clear what you saw in it, down in the dumps boi was boring. And its understandable. BUT, the thing is you are missing the theme of what they attempted. Which was failure and never giving up. I can't stress this enough. I thought the concept was fine, it turned out being a bit much, but the concept about following the failed okabe is just, well its a very human story. A man child who played mad scientist got a taste of despair and it changed him, it turned him into a broken person. He then sacrifices everything to maintain the small victory he claimed, the only one he thinks is possible. Because he knows what it is to fight fate, its impossible. So the fact okabe is vehemently against doing anything, it just makes sense. Is this boring to watch? Oh god ya, if you don't connect with it, it is just going to seem boring as all ghettout. But I found myself engrossed with the sense of failure and complacency the show paints with okabe, like someone giving up on their dreams or their lost love or just anything important to them. Its a journey about someone failing and giving up then finding the will to press on regardless. Again, sounds inspiring, but ya. They fucked it up. It was still not bad though I would call it ok. I would give it a blade runner 2049 out of son of the mask, in regards to sequels. It was nice, and I liked it, it had problems but it wasn't garbage to me personally, though I could understand how others could view it as utterly pointless.
Around the 3/4 mark of the show the story really just loses all bearings. The logic falls apart, the coherency falls apart I understood what it was attempting to do I did, it was clear I just well...If someone says "HEY LOOK WHAT I CAN DO" and they try and do something, and they fail at it, but you totally get what they were trying to do, say juggling? And they keep trying? And its like "ya, ya, no please, stop you are going to hurt yourself I get it, don't worry I understand the attempt please, stop." That is similar to how I feel.
Though at first I really did enjoy it, I liked the slow pace and just utter sense of hopelessness the show was going for. I liked seeing the silly whacko become utterly broken and depressed, like that of a child finding out friendship doesn't last forever, or some shit. It was just IDK adult? It was just nice to see in a macabre sort of way. Cause you know they fix it...somehow and that's what has you hooked. And well ya...
Like he says at episode 17 or so it just goes fucking TURBO MODE and by the end of it you are like "wait, but why was all that-" then you watch this video and go "ya there were a bunch of misdirects...too many in fact"
I will write more on the next video he does I guess. I can tell he a person who watched something he thought he might love, only for it to burn him, I can understand that feeling. Thought I took it in a different way. But still curious if he brings anything else up that I am thinking.
P.S I liked the future segment...but it was during turbo mode so, I also didn't like it.
Also mind addressing again to the returds about how a VN ≠ Good Adaptation and how people just told you to read the VN in part 1, I saw over 100 comments about this.
Reading the VN can help contextualize where mistakes were made, more information helps in studying a mistake. Not saying it's what you should do instead of watch the anime
EXCUUSE ME, but people are saying VN =/= Good Adaptation?
Have they EVER WATCHED Rance 01: the quest for hikari?
+Succesful Name ahm... pretty sure he was asking digi to tell them that a VN doesn't equal a good adaptation. of course, idk if you already know that.
Thank you.
I finished watching 0 and, although feeling like I liked it, really sensed something was seriously missing.
After watching this video I came to realize that what I liked about it was precisely just seeing my favorite characters again interact, in any sort of way.
But all those plotholes, baiting and bad storytelling were all subconsciously bothering me all the time.
There are too many things in 0 that simply lead nowhere and the narrative drags on too long.
I guess I'm playing defense for the vn again, though digi didn't really reference it this time. Basically most of the problems he mentions comes from the fact that two endings in the S;G 0 vn will share maybe 20% of the content. Mostly the each ending takes the story off in wildly different directions leading to real difficulties with the anime's approach to combine the content of all the endings. One casualty in this is clearly the kagari story. In half the routes kagari is the bike helmet girl, where in the other half it's the scientist girl. So there is no weird bits where she is both a helpless girl the gang has to protect and a badass assassin. She's either one or the other depending on the world-line. It seems like the anime really shied away from changing world-lines, because the interesting thing about the attempted kagari kidnapping in the vn is that the day after the attempt the world-line shifts to a world-line where the attempt never happened, leaving okabe to try and defend against a threat he's not sure exists anymore, and certainly can't convince anyone else about. And unlike in the anime after that the story for some time is exclusively about his attempts to protect kagari which he takes multiple direct actions toward. I could write the same comparison about most of digi's points, but I hope you get the point. It's also worth noting that two of the scenes he highlights as being extremely awful are anime exclusives, the daru date (mostly) and daru telling suzuha not to shoot leskinen.
That would've been so much better than what we got
I’m sorry, but PLEASE stop calling Mayuri autistic. I don’t even know what would make you see it that way, unless you are yet another person who thinks they know about autism but really doesn’t. Honestly, it’s offensive to me and many other people who have autism.
Being autistic doesn't make you an authority on autism. Not everyone who has it is the same.
I actually disagree with you when you say the characters and world are implausible. I find one of the main reasons I like steins;gate is because of its realism, especially when compared to other time travel shows
You can't argue with his statement about the satellite.. And the way Otaku have stumbled upon means of time travel.....
brendon elliott The lack of doing anything about the satellite is just the product of Japanese bureaucracy. And it's not like they were portrayed as otakus and also geniuses (except for kurisu and she was the one doing most of the work), it's just that they got lucky from an accidental discovery
He was saying that the world was implausible, not the characters, and unless you've found a way to utilize a microwave to travel back in time by sending text messages to it, then I would call a world where that can happen implausible.
I agree. The realism especially come from the VN, the way they explain it, you actually believes that a microwave can become a time machine as they put the theory from magnetic fields from LHC And apply it to the microwave.
The characters are emotionally whole people, with grounded and "real-people"-like backstories. They feel extremely real. But arguing against that was not the point Digi was trying to make.
Remember when they found out Kagari's code name and how it was a reference to the Magic Flute? They never explained that at all. I totally forgot about it by the end but the actual aria that the code name specifically references has some interesting text that I thought for sure was going to be brought up. But no, the closest thing we got was the aria that her name references is the music that they play to activate her brainwashed state, which is never even explicitly stated and is a fact that most people probably didn't pick up on.
the original doesn't deserve to be taught in writing classes
just like Psychopass
Mostly good points on how Zero mishandles it's misdirection although i'm pretty sure (Correct me if i'm wrong fam) that the assistant glasses villain woman was revealed as the person in black at the halfway point (Some scene where she was getting on a plane and it pretty much definitively reveals that it was her all along) and it's because of that scene that the one where it's revealed to be Kagari is more of a twist since you wouldn't really expect that there was actually multiple Celty cosplayers running amok.
Another piece of common writing wisdom I disagree with, I've enjoyed an endless amount of fiction where the protagonists are reactive. Hell the worst Superhero comics are usually the ones trying to correction the common criticism that their Superheros are too reactive *cough* Cry For Justice *cough*.
I legitimately enjoy fiction that's just character I like hanging out and talking, and one of the top reasons I'm into to Anime to begin with is that it's the one medium not afraid to provide that. A fellow Lucky Star fan should know better then this.
I find it funny how these sequels are criticized both being like the original and not being like it. I didn't need an exact repeat of the origona's structure and tension build up.
What?
Moeka is still a rounder working for FB she just also does side-jobs.
In the VN Moeka is actually the woman who tries to steal the computer in alley.
The thing about the Vn And the anime is the the Vn is multiple world lines each giving us a hint on how to reach Steins gate And the 0 anime is the one world line where they actually reach it. So you HAVE to read the VN to understand the anime and I know that a lot of your arguments are valid if you have only watched the anime, but the show kind of expects you to have played the Vn as the misdirection of Yuki was PURELY for the Vn readers
That still doesn't excuse what it chose to adapt. The show should be an adaptation in the sense that it can be viewed as a whole separate product on its own without needing any supplemental material to back it up.
"an anime adaptation of a VN shouldn't be made with the expectation of the viewer grasping the basics of the source material and that the anime should stand on its own merits. "
Yes...? I don't get why you say this like it's a bad thing. I never read Spice & Wolf but its anime adaptation felt like a complete enough story for what it told. Not to mention the original SG anime which is also perfectly watchable on its own with no need to consult its VN to understand the plot. At no point did I feel like anything substantial was missing.
Now if SG0 had adapted things in a way where it told each arc from the game in an order that the knowledge gained as it progresses serves to make later arcs more meaningful while streamlining the stuff that already happened previously (like the original Fate VN did with its 3 stories) then that might work, instead it tried to cobble together various plot threads from varying timelines into one.
"But hey, a popular youtuber stated his opinion online"
That's nice, but I only said what I said because I both read the VN and have experienced adaptations that could stand on their own. I also enjoyed the VN when I read it despite its flaws, so I guess there goes your thoughtless drone theory.
Anyway, I just think that SG0 should be a sequel to the anime in a way where you only need to have watched that to be able to understand everything going on in this rather than have to play the whole VN to be able to watch the same story.
Then that's just a bad decision to not be inclusive for other fans who hadn't played the VN or complete the game. It's just another reason why this show is bad.
Grasping the basics of the source material? They adapted things from several different routes and mushed them into one. So your definition of the basics is playing every single route of the VN before watching the anime? And yes, it is a standalone anime, (though not a standalone piece of entertainment or art) but viewers should only be expected to have watched the original anime adaptation and not played the game (which btw I have). I mean that is the point right? To adapt the the VN to a new medium to a new audience...
+TheTaxmt ah~ yes~ another "i don't like digibro >:C" person... join the line would ya? :^)
Huh? In the VN things were different. There were two major routes in the VN. In one these routes, Kagari was disguised as Yuki to get closer to Mayuri. Basically, Yuki was actually Kagari in disguise. In the other route, Kagari was just Kagari, and Yuki was just Yuki. I guess they didn't follow neither route, and it became a jumbled mess? At least if Digi didn't miss a key story point.
1:37 - This is especially the case for 0. 0 does the same but kicks that up to 11. Whether or not you think that ks a good idea or not is up to you.
2:40 - Once again, Mayuri is not an autist. Your interpretation of her character is flawed. She's literally anything but an autist, you basically admitted that last video as well without saying it directly.
3:34 - If you read up on literally any of the promo material VN or not, this shouldn't be your expectation. Essentially, you got yourself overhyped, for a lack of a better word.
3:59 - And if you understood the original at all, you would know this is impossible, since SERN isn't in control of the time machine in the Beta Attractor Field, which is the entire premise for the story, you know. The story taking place in Beta.
4:40 - In that case, the VN might be for you, as that's essentially what the VN was structured like.
6:48 - As a VN reader I'm really happy they adapted this scene, becauss of a nod to the other VNs in SciADV. That's just a side tangent though.
7:31 - Yes and no. It still serves to set up everything that happens after. Is it extended? Yes. Was the anime original scenes it brought us worth it? Also yes, imo. Especially the DaruYuki subplot.
9:13 - This is a misunderstanding. There are no paradoxes in Steins;Gate. The mechanics of the show simply doesn't allow it.
10:57 - Once again, Mayuri isn't autistic. Read back to my original point.
11:35 - No. In worldlines where SERN isn't the main villain, the rounders aren't active.
12:01 - Moeka is still a Rounder. She still works for FB but she isn't assigned with track down time travel duty because the original D-Mail wasn't picked up by ECHELON
12:56 - Yeah, that was a Red Herring. It worked better in the VN since the actual perpetrator is an actual character in the VN.
13:56 - It's expanded upon in the VN. This isn't anything against that point, it alsk saddens me that we didn't get that part adapted into the anime.
14:38 - Cringe inducing, maybe, but in tone with the characters? Absolutely.
14:50 - >Rukako.
Please.
Also. Regarding the future, it does make sense that they would take up arms when they're a major player in the time travel race.
15:14 - I've always admitted this was a cheap shot and it still is.
15:29 - Take a look at the lyrics, will ya? This is one of the Ending themes for the VN. I can't really argue anything here, since the main love for the song comes it you've read the VN.
17:38 - I guess this is all subjective. I personally liked it.
18:02 - That's your misunderstanding of the characters. We've already covered this in the last video.
18:18 - Most of the fanbase would disagree there. Me included.
18:51 - That's convergence acting. She literally cannot kill him as he is needed to be there to brainwash Kagari in the future.
@@Muffin-777 The only reason it's poorly written is the anime skipping out on one detail. The rest can be summer up to Convergence.
Reminder that Convergence can turn even the most skilled fighter into a Stormtrooper.
@@Muffin-777 That part was indeed rather weird. That said, those people had to die according to Convergence. If Kagari hadn't done it, a possibility is that they could have simply collapsed and died of a heart attack. They'd have died no matter what.
Finally someone that actually knows SG0 in this comment section
I love you man
@@Muffin-777
Leskinen clearly said in ep.18 that Kagari's body is improved with future's gadgets. Better here than in VN where she was like that but no one explains why. Bad direction but at least it's coherent
in ep. 21, 22,23??? of S;G-0, Yuki is shown in the leather helmet gear helping fight with Okarin in front of her with zero explanation. they also show a scene where one biker chick seemed to have killed another. No explanation!
reasons why the s;g 0 vn was even WORSE than the anime
-the cringe scenes were dragged out and twice as long (like the scene where okabe confuses maho for a child, this was a brief scene in the anime while we spend half an hour on it in the vn while i was just screaming YES. I GET IT. THIS LOLI CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY AN ADULT, PLEASE MOVE TF ON)
-all the forced romance between okabe/maho, okabe/amadeus and okabe/mayuri
-all the gross incesty scenes with daru/suzuha and mayuri/kagari
-the fanservice was way more excessive
-daru was even more gross than he was in the anime
-plot holes and unanswered questions that the anime actually managed to fix/answer
-the yuki plot twist. that is all (trust me, nothing happening in the anime with yuki was actually doing the anime a big favour...)
-there were more war scenes in the anime, which do nothing but break your suspension of disbelief further with faris being in them, acting like she usually does
This. I agree completely. The romance and incest was reaaaaally disturbing. Then the fucking Yuki plot twist, oh my lord. When I saw Kagari's reveal as a woman in a motorcycle suit and she was ACTUALLY KAGARI I was so fucking happy. Jesus christ what even went trhough their heads that they thought throwing in that Kagari turned into Yuki 3 years before the games events (basically in... 2008?) was...wow.
Also, jesus christ I wish I could post the screenshot I have of the Lab fight with "Kagari" and Suzuha.
Literally Suzuha was naked, ontop of "Kagari" with Kagari's ass super tight (jfc, this is a serious scene!!) side boob from suzuha and some Suzu-ass.
THen when Kagari is dying on the rooftop before the first time machine explosion YOU SEE HER SUPER TIGHT ASS AGAIN LIKE OK I GET ITS A TIGHT SUIT BUT MY LORD, CAN THE FOCUS NOT BE THE FANSERVICE FOR ONE MOMENT?!
Also, I liked the last episode of the anime because it essentially took Vega and Altair (where the successful launch of the time machine was headed with a confrontation with Kagari) and Recursive mother goose where Kagari voices her disdain of Mayuri/Suzuha's decision and they come to some sort of understanding. So that part was actually REALLY great.
Overall the anime while faulty was better than the VN and really made me like SG0 more.
@@RetroNerdyGamer i also liked the last episode because it added the 18000 BC scene which was badass while the vn ending was extremely underwhelming
Holdup...fan service? It’s a visual novel I know, but there really was not a lot of fanservice. I mean I wish I could beat the crap out of faris to get her to shut up with the nyans. Nothing else. Just wanted to say that.
Wait nvm I get your point. Still...it was literally just 2 CGs. The anime did. way worse in my opinion
You make a whole lot of really good points and I really hope you talk about the horrific fight choreography between Kagiri and the soldiers but can you deny the amazing soundtrack that rivals the original
Also play the VN many of the things you complained about have actual resolutions there.
Maybe Spoilers about the VN:
The connection between Yuki and the group that stormed the FG-Lab actually is explained and there is a explanation why Yuki much of the story was a bit distance from Daru. Also Kagaris similar appearance to Kurisu does play into it's story and there was an entire plot thread connected to that in the VN that was removed from the Anime.
Also yeah, Rukakos Sword fighting is not in the VN... ;D
There is also much more time to setup thing much more naturally and there is no expositary dialog in it.
Also in the anime too. This guy obviously didn't pay attention to the anime
In PR route, Kagari has Kurisu memories. But, their similar appeareance is just coincidence.
@@yuancampos2 I think the appearance could have something with it. Because I seem to remember that there were many more subjects and Kagari was the first "vessel" compatible with the memories. I think the compatibility could be visible in their similar trades (for example their hair and eye colors). Donno how DNA works but in Steins Gate logic I think the two are similar in that regard and because of that look alike (like family or twins have similar appearances cause of their DNA).
7:36
Holy shit is that Chie and Yukiko
A time machine created by connecting a cell phone to a microwave and powered by the signal wave of a large CRT television is the precise reason it is *so so scientifically accurate*. Anyone who truly understands quantum mechanics will understand.
It's whole time travel mechanics, the whole world line kerr black hole stuff are actually a lot of our best theories for how time travel could be possible all put together. This show is probably more scientific than anything I have ever seen
It was actually a big plus for me when I first watched it, especially because that was literally the time I had read volumes about quantum physics and got a lot of interest in the subject. Unlike you, who thought it was actually nonsense techno babble, and believed it to be a negative aspect without actually understanding it
Oh, and the satellite not being removed doesn't count as 'unscientific'. And that is DEFINITELY not unique to this show. And it might have been taken down after a few hours since afterall it's a big object
Sorry
Its not that I dont think the science makes sense, its that its deloberately ridiculous to hopscotch belivability. Obviously this shit isnt **possible** or else it wouldve been easily recreated irl
Eh, not really. It's true that they go to great lengths to explain how their brand of time travel works, and I am quite impressed at how many concepts (both scientific and pseudoscientific) they manage to include and at least make it sound somewhat plausible on a surface level, but let's get real here. There is no way what they're proposing could actually work.
Omg!YMS shoutout! I love adum he’s hilarious
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Best girl Leskinen
I could watch these all day tbh
Isn't this a Deen Fate Stay Night sequel? As in, instead of focusing on one route it takes both at the same time so it's complete garbage? You can't really blame the writer if so, you're not watching what he wrote, you're watching someone make a bad business decision of trying to coup together 2 completely different stories (and obviously failing)
14:34 and 14:39 are truly the highlights of this video.
Ruins. ?! It gave sense and explained many things. Ruined it's your brain that can't understand it.
Cant say that I agree with every thing you said here.. but goddamn the way you talk and express your frustration with the show is effing entertaining.. you have a real talent man.. wish I had that too..
Plot holes and plot threads in a time travel show
Imagine muh shlock!
What blows my mind about Steins;Gate 0 is that in a show that's hammered home the idea for 2 seasons that time paradoxes should be avoided at all costs, the main villain's premise is that he works with his future self to gain control of the time machine, creating a loop where infinite future Leskinens need to use the knowledge past Leskinens gave them to brainwash Kagari to help future versions of himself capture the time machine and do the same thing. The show that preached avoiding contact with yourself because of time paradoxes now has its plot hinge on a plot paradox.
Granted, my investment and suspension of disbelief was beyond destroyed at this point, so it didn't really bother me until I thought about it in retrospect. How do you mess up a time travel story that badly?
(Sorry for deleting and reposting this a couple of times; I think UA-cam was automatically filtering my comments from something I was saying. I think I fixed the phrasing of it now so that it shouldn't be hidden.)
so what is suzuha exactly doing in steins gate? Yeah, shes totally not giving them information about themselves in the future right
Very late to the series, and I gotta say that Zero is definitely worse than the original. Though the last 5 episodes were a blast. I'm telling my wife to just watch a summary video then watch episode 18 till the end.
Mom said one more video before bed.
16:47 wait i thought they got a new director for sg0, and thats why it was so shit
There is a difference between the scriptwriter (who is the same for both seasons as Digi mentions) and the director (who is indeed a different one from the first season). So Digi is wondering how the guy who wrote one of his favorite scripts also managed to write one that he hates even though it's part of the same universe.
XTheJaws Ohh ok i thought he said director
sounds kidna cool to have tension dissolve in a more bathos way. like a narrative that subverts people getting killed under certain tropes and surviving anyway.
You basically misunderstood all characters personalities, motivations and the very plot itself.
I only agree in one thing. Steins;Gate 0, like most spin offs is unneeded.
But since we have so many visual novel spin offs, drama cds and comics that explain, expand and allow us to contrast between each other, that we should inmerse ourselves on them and learn more about their world.
I'm dissapointed on you. I truly believed that you gave yourself the time to check and compare sources and the like, but being so lazy as to find "reading boring" i can't respect you anymore.
every product should be able to stand on its own. your mentality is idiotic
@Digibro "Should"? Yeah, says who though? You decided that. I think the idiotic move is to take anything 'artistic' and to say that it has to be like you want it to be. It's art, it's subjective, that's the whole fucking point. I get that you feel that acting like some form of authority in your videos is cool, and that's your choice, but doing that in the comments is just obnoxious.
@@Defiring I'm pretty sure Marvel is making bank because people don't have to read their comics to understand their movies. Any good adaptation will be enhanced by prior knowledge but it should be able to stand alone to be enjoyed. Go ahead and disrespect Digi for not hunting down info before posting his videos, that's fine, but those extras shouldn't be a requirement for the average audience to enjoy the sequel or the original anime for that matter. Most people won't go that extra mile unless they enjoy consuming every bit of media related to a specific property. And even then, not all things are enjoyed equally, which tends to happen the bigger a franchise gets.
@J. Stanley Yeah, the budgets are a little different buddy, and we weren't even the target audience. I don't think I have to remind you of that, but in Japan, the original work usually takes priority over everything else.
@@Defiring But we're not talking about the budget. I was pointing out that a good adaptation doesn't need to stick religiously close to the original; it needs to take the original elements and revise them into a cohesive whole that works for the medium that it's being adapted into. Visual novels are experienced differently from an anime just as a book is experienced differently from a movie. The former are both visual mediums, which helps a lot, but there's usually a big difference in how a game you're expected to play through multiple times is told and how a more linear anime is told.
Besides, one can't assume every single Japanese person plays the game before watching an anime adaptation of the same because even though Japan has a very group-focused society that doesn't mean individuals don't have preferences. Some people might not have the time either since video games tend to run longer, especially a very slow and methodical visual novel. I'm much more inclined to believe they'd read the manga first while they're sitting on the subway, if they have enough room to do so, but guess what? Sometimes the anime comes before the manga so that could also be an adaptation. Not everyone experiences things in the order of release and not everyone cares about the original medium it was created for. It can help explain some issues but it's not the most important thing ever.
This show has got to be one of the best examples of exploitation of the peak-end rule I’ve ever seen. They ended the show literally by rebuilding the ending of Steins;Gate. Anyone who watched to the end will feel those memories come back and be fond of how it ends. That’s enough for the human psyche to say “hey, the ending was good, and that’s the most memorable, so therefore 0 must be great!” 0 did a ton in the middle that made no sense, with plot holes everywhere. I felt myself wanting to drop the show in the middle, only to power through and think it was excellent based on the ending alone. This analysis is bringing back all the plot inconsistencies and outright holes. And I feel cheated for considering it great based on the end with this much crap everywhere else.
Note: I’m not saying the end was perfect or anything. Just that 0 pulled in a lot of the original show’s ending, and I enjoyed that. So memory association says “hey, that was good, and this is basically what that was, so this is good too!”