We all hoped that the TF2 Bot Crisis was some sort of Hack Mastermind that had some crazy endgoal in mind, but sadly it turned out it was nothing more than 30 to 40 kids, on average 13 years old, that were bad at video games, downloaded the most basic scripts and just ran it day and night on dads computer. To be fair, some of the names gave it away
Cathook was an impressive feat for being a linux based cheat that made automating cheating very easy. It was impressive technically, just sucks because even cheaters don't like bots for how annoying they are
Cs2 is exactly the same lmao there’s no way a grown man pushing 30 who has a full time job is cheating in 20 year old Ip. The cheaters are almost always kids who don’t have the hardware to run cs and don’t have any skins it’s a way to piss people who spent time getting good and money on skins, only kid/teen would get joy out of this. Trust I have 4k hours in csgo and cs2 feels like ive never touched the game the players with no account presence just dominate you with their burner accounts that have prime. They need to hardware lock prime status to your main if you want to cheat on a burner account you have to rebuy prime on another hardware not account. This requires them to get invasive but it’s either that or watch your game die
Me: “Someone’s cheating” Valve: “Yep” Me: “I hate it” Valve: “Yep” Me: “I want to leave” Valve: “sound fair to me” Me: *leaves* Valve: “f**k you help your team”
as much as I agree, in my region and skill group, the leave penalty is one of the only things keeping the game together. So many people just think they can leave like 2 minutes into a competitive match and get no consequence.
Yep, all it does is make it exclusive to cheaters. Source did it best although a bit crazy but still best movement in the entire franchise. If hackers are gonna bhop regardless then at least let the skilled player base do it as well
I honestly think that any attempts at #savetf2 will only yield results when people boycott Valve en masse. If Valve's not gonna work on it "out of love", then they'll have to be "forced" upon their responsabilities, and that'll only happen when they see that they have a very real chance of losing money. There is NO shortage of people who love this game, and who have a scary amount of knowledge on its inner workings; this abandonment is, definitely, a corporate, top-down, decision/neglect
people tried that like 2 years ago and their response was a very half assed update im pretty sure that added like 4 or 5 maps and they were all pretty bad, truth is the only game with even a bit of possibility of hurting valve in terms of it's reputation when it comes to this is cs2 cuz it's cs2, tf2 does not have anywhere near the same coverage as counter strike does and if any game is going to get them to start fixing shit it's probably that one
The problem i have with the whole "Valve Boycott" is that Valve owns steam and steam is one of their biggest sources of income other than selling software & tech to other companies sure TF2 makes them money and so does CSGO & CS2 but how is boycotting their games gonna be enough?
at this point it feels like if somehow everyone just moved on and valve now made no money from their games, valve still wouldn't give a shit just becuse they have steam
Someone’s been watching Zesty Jesus video on bots making 80% of TF2. The primary issue is that Valves company practice allows their employees to work on their own project and not mandate them to specific projects. The biggest flaw is that it doesn’t prioritize certain games that NEED updating. Not to mention they only have like 325 employees while Ubisoft has over 10000.
@@WalrusPNGtf2 youtuber with analysis videos. his most recent video was about tf2 online on steamcharts being false. also the original comment here is making up numbers so 60% of tf2 online is cheater/idle bots. so basically there is aroun 50k bots and 20-30k real people.
To be fair. Too much employees can cause a lot of problems interms of communications. Valve needs more people, sure. But we also not sure how much people we need to atleast sustain 2 games now. Unless they decided to make TF2 and CS runs by two groups.
Apparently they moved away from this model. So TF2 is even more cooked 😤 If I remember correctly, only contractors are working on this game at this rate.
It's ironic, you would choose the flat structure so your devs would have maximum creative freedom, but in the case of Valve it has become a prison. They struggled to release Alyx, and they admitted it. Worse, despite their structure they prefer to outsource ideas: Portal, Dota, CS and TF started outside of Valve and more recently (in Valve Time lol) they brought an outside designer to make Artifact, a game which basically was trying to be a cash machine like Heartstone. It doesn't make sense why they are so creatively bankrupt.
I may sound hyperbolic saying this, but the CS:2 cheater problem is one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen in gaming period. I’ve been playing TF2 since 2011, and the emergence of the bots around late 2019 only somewhat surprised me (given the age and state of the game, plus casual mode was doomed to fail from the very beginning). It’s also worth considering that Valve has other cash cows to milk so, though extremely disappointing for many loyal Valve fans, their abandonment is only *barely* understandable from a corporate perspective. But.. Counter Strike? Undergoing a bot/cheater crisis? One of the most popular games in the world? Arguably one of the most valuable in-game markets in all of modern gaming, which is single-handedly responsible for a huge portion of Valve’s worth as a company? The game that holds some of the most popular and profitable competitive eSport events in the entire industry? I could go on and on about it, but my god what are they thinking in jeopardizing all of this? I don’t play CS too often, but it absolutely baffles a non-regular like me to see this happening. On their newest engine, no less. If it were us in Valve’s shoes, it would rationally be an “all hands on deck” situation. Work as hard as we can to fix these problems, and fast. But nope, they let their devs work on pretty much whatever they feel like, no matter how useless or unproductive the job is. Besides, most of the employees that arguably built Valve for what it is (writers, programmers, developers, etc.) are gone or replaced. I get that Valve’s brand is that they’re a small clique of genius game developers who are overly secret about the happenings of their development and projects, but goddamn this is getting ridiculous. This constant abandonment and obvious incompetence has basically killed what withering confidence I and many others had in Valve. At this rate, they ought to pray to god that their “3” game installments they supposedly plan to release will even live up to the countless years of hype (if they’re even working on them). TL;DR: valve pls fix ur shit
Did you see their newest leak called Deadlock? And the reason they don't do anything about the cheater situation is because in their eyes, why should they? People keep playing
@@IAm-zo1bo I had a look at the gameplay demos that are out there, as well as what’s being reported on. It’s hard for me to really get a concrete opinion on it because of how early it is in development: 19 classes so far (I noticed a few of them pretty much have the same exact roles), Zip-lines, Battle Arena-style gameplay with players and lower level NPCs, the Source 2 engine, random boss battles, and upgrade currencies. Doesn’t sound entirely like my cup of tea, personally, but it’ll be worth checking out what other players think when it releases. It might be good. But I’ll be real, I wouldn’t really say it’s “on brand” for Valve to host/create a game like this. I highly praise Valve because they’ve always been the company to use the latest technologies and unique gameplay mechanics, while using them in the most simple ways possible to allow people with underperforming computers to enjoy their games. And how they convey these games to us with some of the best characters and backstories really tops it all off. It’s just strange to me that they would release something so… typical? I mean the game has been described as being directly inspired by both Valorant and Overwatch, the latter being the direct competition to Valve at the tail-end of their care for TF2. It honestly sounds like a far cry from the games we know them for, if you ask me. And I agree with your point that Valve basically has no incentive to fix their games, but I don’t realistically see such a business model working out for them in the long run… Sure, Team Fortress 2 and the Counter-Strike series are very much ancient games at this point. But the truth is, TF2’s true statistics wouldn’t be that way if they didn’t stop giving a damn since 2018, nor would CS:2 face the current backlash it’s getting from comp players or the base community. CS:2’s situation might not be currently as bad as TF2’s, but all it takes is another “OMEGATRONIC” to find a way to cause maximum chaos and disruption. It must be immediately taken care of before that happens. If they just took the time to update their games and figure out the issues with VAC Ban, they would be perfectly reliable and active games to enjoy with no worries. But all good things must come to an end, eventually. In these two cases, however, the communities feel that they’ve been abandoned and left to rot at very abrupt and inappropriate times. But hey, even if they don’t make good games anymore, or games period, they still have the Steam store anyway. It’s just a pity for Valve fans who believe, as these triple A game titles fail with every game they release, the very concept of gaming would have a reliable bed to fall onto
TF2 is one of the most "popular" games in the world. Sure, the game has a hell of a lot of cultural reach in the gamer space, but there is evidence to suggest that the vast majority (70-80%) of the supposed players that are on TF2 at any given time, as reported by Steam, are actually bots. Despite Valve being a massively successful company, it is paradoxically very small from an employment perspective, employing only about 360 people as of 2016 (according to a glance at the company's Wikipedia page). Valve doesn't seem intent on changing that, despite the fact that Valve is starting new projects. The glaring side effect of this is that Valve's manpower ultimately gets stretched way too thin, hence why you have games like TF2, supposedly one of Valve's biggest cash cows, not receiving any major updates since 2017. TF2 still has major problems with bots and, if the evidence is legitimate, Valve is unable to properly enforce their own ToS in any meaningful capacity. This is not to say that Valve's lack of manpower expansion is motivated by self-detrimental greed. As a matter of fact, it seems that the lack of expansion by the company is what makes Valve a fantastic place to work for game developers. The company's also fostered a strong internal community and tradition that would inevitably be affected by a sudden intake of hundreds of new hires. Basically, Valve is stuck in a dilemma where it has to choose between its own identity and making better games.
Additionally on the new hires front: Portal 1 Devs that were hired notoriously faced a lot of internal company backlash and were basically bullied out of the company by the time Portal 2 was made.
Anti botting needs to be part of game design these days, that's just the way it is. Valve has the resources and talent to accomplish this, there's no excuse for how they neglected TF2
This is nothing special to TF or CS, or new for that fact. But the situation between those two games is so vastly different, comparing them just feels silly
@@tsuaririndoku TF2 and CS2 have completely different anti cheats, and their problems stem from vastly different issues on valve's end, not to mention that CS2 is still in very active early development and already had a giant ban wave wiping out a lot of the cheaters. It's insane to even compare them
@@ThompYT they have the same anti cheat, i.e. one that doesn't work, and like i said in other comment, the ban wave was a few thousand, a drop in the ocean compared to the cheating problem, it's still rampant since the "massive" (cope) ban wave, check leetify reports of it.
@@tsuaririndoku I mean it's not total abandonment, but still it's not like they can retroactively use another vac version into such an old source 1 build
return to a matchmaking system that takes you to a community hosted server for the love of god. I t wasn't perfect and honestly sort of bad; but at least it worked and made a proper symbiotic relation between quickplay and the classic server browser
Oh boy! 2024 is the year for gaming! TF2 feels dead in the water. CSGO/cs2 has been at a quality decline since operation hydra (maybe later on, like Op riptide, the shark op) R6s has kicked every high ranked in the balls. Minecraft has completely changed and it's a husk of its former self. LoL is LoL. CoD hasnt changed and the competitive scene is a joke. GTA V is a genuine security concern. Valorant is alright ig. Tarkov actively spitting on their playerbase. Apex is starting to look like LoL but with the strangest cheating problem. So many games have changed for the worse, and if they didn't change theyre rusting away. We've definitely have hit a low. There has been so many new games that die so quickly, Battlebit, the Finals, Starfield, Payday 3, and Lethal Company is definitely making the way there, to name a few. There is definitely a passion, or atleast a cash grab for compainies to make new games, but sadly most playerbases want the older version of already released games. Every company has been trying to make a new golden goose that it's caused a great disparity between the consumers and the devs. I'm very thankful for any devs working on these games, because I can definitely tell that the core game devs are long gone. Though I should add, there have been plently of single player games that are masterfully "crafted," but they lack the endless replayability like online-service games have.
I forgot to mention that this is a great video that captures a lot of people's frustration. I love the way this video is made because it feels really genuine.
@@IAm-zo1bo I love single player games, Im constantly replaying the tomb raider series and Oblivion, Ive sunk 40+ hours just on factorio in the past week and my peggle addiction hasn't gone down since I saw a recent blow up with the series. However, the most energetic and heart racing games have been online shoot-em ups, they're popular, and so many of them, for a reason, with endless replayability, so it doesn't make sense why these games have been treated like dog-shit for the past few years now. I don't think we're at the height of it all, more like the lowest point tbh.
The need to make games competitive and appeal to sweats has destroyed multiplayer games. A game cant be fun and casual anymore it has to have a ranking system, penalties, everyone needs to try their hardest or they get kicked and this game design incentivizes toxicity. When CSGO introduced ranks it was fine because when i ranked up too high i would throw on purpose to derank to silver where i could finally find people who mess around and bhop alot like me on nuke. They've also destroyed movement for the sake of competitiveness so no more bhops to main and destroy people with a mag7 through the skull and jumpscare them, this was the main reason i played CS in the first place. i fell back to TF2 after they nuked CSGO and now it's even worse than CS2...
Personally I stopped playing CS after they changed the engine. All the UI elements, new movement and other small changes ruined the game for me. I loved the old graphics, the old movement and UI. CS:GO had a chemistry that could not ever get replicated in any shape or form, it was just something special... but valve had to ruin it all with their pride, ego and new "fancy" engine. The worst thing is that they remove CS:GO in place of CS 2 and straight up killing the old game. But at the end what me and my friends were playing CS:GO for was that special vibe that no longer exists. I cannot describe that vibe but if you played the old cs for at least 1k hours then you should know what I mean. No other shooter game no matter how close in routes to cs posses that vibe. So to wrap it all up CS 2 is bad in my opinion though the lack of the old game vibe. (Wow I really made it in to rant that's to long for anyone to even consider reading but if you made it here then thank you for listening to my very shitty opinion and I hope you have a nice day)
To put it simply, Valve has become too successful. Even with competitors, Valve can take a year vacation and they'll still make bank. Their skin markets alone make them millions of dollars weekly and Steam itself makes them the same revenue on a daily basis, so why try to be better when you're already at the top with no one to stop you? As much as I love Valve titles, I've left them simply because I'm tired of seeing Valve take years to fix basic issues that could've been fixed within days in the hands of another development team.
I play TF2C. I went to TF2 regular on time and kept getting kicked because I played better than everyone with 0 hours. They thought I was a hacker. Got banned from a few servers. Never going back.
@@borealisaristocles4825oh boohoo, someone stole code from the megacorporation that couldn't care less about unofficial mods also hl2's source code is publicly available through the source sdk
Was really hyped for CS2 recently started it back up but the amount of people walling now days is insane so I've just not bothered. Really thinking about selling all my CS skins to just buy steam decks for friends because I've lost faith the games going to recover.
They view being a private limited company as a good thing but actually everything they are doing wrong is a result of them not being a public company with more responsibilities
I'm kind of glad cs2 has bots in a weird kind of way because that's valves latest game and they might actually try to fix the bot problem and they can just port that fix to tf2
@@IAm-zo1bo nice strawman. would be a shame if i... BURNED IT they dont want cs2 to have a bot problem but it may get valve to actually do something about it. then the fix they did could be implemented into tf2 as well. the commenter said it themselves but it seemed to go over your head. or you intentionally ignored it just to bitch and whine about nothing.
@@Boomrainbownuke9608 the guy is glad that cs2 has a bot problem tho, even if he said "in a weird kind of way". Also, you know for a fact that cs2's bot problem IF it makes valve step up, it would be only for that game and not TF2. Well I guess since the FixTF2 campaign doesn't make us lose anything we may as well go for it, but deep down we know that nothing is going to happen. Hey we have deadlock to look forward to.
I've been on a losing streak for the last 2 weeks. When I go back and check the replay I realize that people are walling and aim-bots. Absolute noobs who are getting demolished till 0:4 all of a sudden start acing rounds. These guys have no tracking, no crosshair placement, they just all of a sudden at the right time put their crosshair right where you are about to peek. No sound clue, no nothing. They nade you right where you are sitting. In one match I caught a guy from the side in Mirage Palace, he was walking and I came from the side while he was looking to the left, he caught me coming on the side and panic sprayed in the wrong direction, but his second bullet just did an airbender move and headshot me. That was it. It could not be more obvious. Its a damn shame. And then you have to listen to their bullshit calling you a noob.
It is a sad state. At this point, if Valve does not take care of CS2, it will end up like its older brother, TF2. I gave up, though. Especially with this new game coming out, it seems like the chance they do anything is limited to how much it impacts their finances, which seems to not be enough right now.
Haven't seen your stuff before, but good video. Also I guess the algorithm really wanted to show me that I was in the game in this video, so that's cool, lol. (I'm the medic with the yellow medigun and effect) :D
7:17 I mean, for community server you do not need any 3rd party software, and for a good chunk of the game's lifespan you played only through random community server using quickplay. I think valve should give us quickplay once again.
Exactly how i feel. I come home i wanna play something, idk what to play though. Tf2 pops up in my head i then remember ill probably only game for 2 hrs at most and get off and i really dont wanna deal with bots and joining uncletopia servers that have people who take the game a little bit more serious then i'd like. I have 3k hrs idc about being good anymore or how the games going, i have stuff i gotta do in the day, all i wanna do is play a game without a care. This year i'd say i have probably spent at most and im being generous, at least 300hrs gaming. 300hrs gaming use to take me about a month and a half at longest and if im being genuine without the generous guess, i'd say i've played about 250hrs, idk though tbf. My point is there's no games, i wanna game, cant play tf2 which is a game i can play without giving it my full attention and satisfies the need that i want from gaming, but i cant cause its ass rn. Once i do this Elden ring playthrough i've started for the new dlc, which will probs be at most 80hrs worth of gaming and about 1-2 months of playing, i will go back to this where im not gaming but wanna game. I just wanna have fun playing games that i enjoy again with the limited free time i have now. I did the math cause i got curious, i have played 190ish - 200 hrs of games. 85hrs terraria modded, 15hrs tf2, 15 hrs baldurs, 11hrs helldivers, 1hr dredge, 10hrs at most on the nintendeo switch (mario cart and luigis mansion 3 with my mates), 4 hrs sunkenland, 10hrs golf with friends, 5hrs elden ring, 3 hrs ds3, 5hrs fall guys, 2hrs gta 5, 3 hrs red dead 2, 1hr fallout NV, 30mins of dragonball dbz fighting game and probably 20-30hrs between fortnite and apex legends at most. Games suck atm.
These are my two favorite games of all time, both somewhat ruined by the slow creep of cheaters and the slowly dwindling young North American playerbase. It's a shame CS2 is a such a big step backwards in terms of the matchmaking experience -- Despite being high elo in both games, CSGO's trust factor system mostly kept cheaters out of my games, and I instead found myself usually playing with other longtime players. It's absurd to me in CS2 just how frequently fresh accounts are queuing into my games and rage cheating. It's probably a symptom of a playerbase whom, if they're good enough, play faceit, and if not, just give up playing the game.
idk, in my perspective as a new player, CS2 Is the most frequently updated game I've ever played. and while yes most of the updates for now are to get to the baseline that CSGO already had, those updates are the ones the people are asking for most, and I recognize are a bigger priority than large content updates. In my opinion it isn't exactly fair to say that the game feels exactly the same as on release, when movement has been largely fixed, we've gotten 3-4 updates to the subtick system to make the gunplay feel like the previous game, and a network update that fixed a tick's worth of peeker's advantage. And while yes those are small changes on their own, together I feel like they fix/vastly improve every issue with gameplay feel that people have criticized. as for the cheaters, I'm at a low enough rank that I've almost never seen them so I'm not in a place to judge, but the new anti-cheat update seems really promising. Overall besides content updates I think CS2 has had just as frequent updates as I'd expect for a game minus content updates, and I feel it's current issues aren't even comparable to the drought that TF2 has had.
I think it's okay to be upset if a company takes away a game that you love and gives you, by pretty much all metrics, an inferior product. We can say "it's just a game", but you can apply that reductionist sentiment to anything in life; after all, we're "just a collection of atoms". At the end of the day, if it makes you happy and it means a lot to you, I think it's completely justified to feel frustrated and disappointed by what they have done or have not done, especially when they rake in millions in profits.
long ass comment warning. valve are incompetent is the answer. so many issues with cs2 - movement feels shit, is inconsistent and broken gamemodes like bhop/surf (half due to engine clipping issues) - netcode is unresponsive and now hardcoded to 64 tick, subtick inherently creates inconsistency where not needed, non existant anti cheat, minor graphical update for a huge tank in fps which isolates people who can't afford pc's (think cs scenes in developing countries, theres a reason valorant is so popular in said developing countries), clipping is shit, economy in game is shit with mr12, they buffed util to be even bigger/last longer, heaps of QOL things missing.. I could go on. they often ship updates with such obvious bugs it amazes me how they don't realise when the community will realise something is scuffed within seconds of being in a game. I'd argue its actually worse than TF2 regarding cheaters cause in TF2 you can just votekick or requeue, in CS you abandon or sit it out for 20-45 mins, and the prevalency of cheating means that more and more closet cheaters are coming onto faceit, which while having a kernel AC doesn't detect RMA/external cheats, some of which you can get on your phone for example giving you radar hack for very little cash and is undetectable. it's a shitshow but valve really does only care about money. iirc an employee had an idea which was pretty cool (can't remember what) and said to her higher ups "this will bring us in a few hundred million" and her higher ups said "that's 0 billion" and it was scrapped. the devs are often shit at the game they're developing so don't actually understand whats good/bad changes, like with meet your match or CS2's release. it's a shame cause as a kid i idolized valve with such great titles like TF2, CS, HL, L4D, Portal etc but they've really become pretty shit in the last few years, I think since skins in CSGO took off they realized how much money they could make while doing so little and that's been their MO since imho. tl;dr devs out of touch and don't play the games/are very low skilled/don't listen to community. TF2 much less aids than CS if casual cause you aren't committed to game. Valve don't need to fix anyhting cause $$$. thanks for coming to my TED talk.
csgo wasnt kept as csgo because new cs titles historically have split the playerbase hard like with 1.6 to condition zero to source, by taking away csgo they forced the playerbase to move to cs2 because by month 5 of the cs2 launch csgo woulda had the entire playerbase still there
Valve making a graphical update to CSGO and renaming it "CS2" and making CSGO inaccessible is so stupid Imagine if Valve re-released Half-Life 2 as "Half-Life 3" and it's just HL2 on Source 2 and then on top of that, it's an update for HL2, removing HL2 entirely.
When i play tf2 out of nowhere i only play casual because i feel like its an obligation to try to give people another player to shoot at and who will kick whatever bots they can.
I feel like this is beyond a Valve problem. Beforehand, you could make the argument that perhaps TF2 is just so low priority that it wasn't a big deal to them and they just shrugged off the cheating and bots. But now, one of three things is happening and they're all terrible for gaming as a whole: 1. Valve has decided it's not worth they're time/money to fix this on two multiplayer FPS games. That means all FPS games lose sustainability. If hackers can make Valve decide solving this isn't worth the cost, what's to stop other devs from throwing in the towel when things become too expensive? They must still be making some money off the games as they pay to keep the servers up in spite of the hackers. So if other gaming companies realize this hackers are going to become more prominent. 2. Valve can't solve this problem. They're giving it their best effort but the cheaters/hackers have outsmarted them. Again, what's to stop this from happening to other studios? Unless- 3. Valve is so screwed up internally or VAC is so poorly implemented that they can't solve it. And if that's true for these two games of Valve's, what's to say there isn't a security problem with Steam? And if this is a competency problem with Valve, couldn't other studios have these same sorts of internal problems?
Not to be pessimistic, but I don't think we'll ever get an update that will fix the bots indefinitely (I still hope Valve proves me wrong by at least meeting a standard to at least clear most of the bots) I say that simply because It seems that all of Valve and the employees are just tired of trying or just don't have that same passion for tf2 or making games at all as they did in there prime (saying this just as an outsider and causal player of tf2) They didn't even know tf2 would last this long, so it would make sense by now that they've both made an accomplishment for almost 17 years of an active fanbase in tf2 and at the same time...done with it. I'm sure they can hire people who are willing and capable of dealing with bots in there games, but it still seems like they won't care to secure at least 90% of there games from bots/aimbots so long as they are getting millions of dollars in revenue...and I don't blame them. It's my opinion and so I can't really speak for them, but still though the cracks are showing in Valve as whole.
All Valve needs to do is letting Community update their game. Sure, TF2 failed this before but that is from bad communication. What if we have one Valve CEO to make a final decision before community starts on project. Think of it as interns making a final project for Univercity.
That's what we're already getting, and it sucks. We don't need more community updates with 100+ unfinished maps every update, we need Valve to actually give a shit and hire people that will actually work on improving TF2, banning both cheaters and idle bots instead of just sitting by and doing nothing.
@@tau-5794 No I mean Community Updates like End of The Line or other types. Where it being more theme based. And a bit more organized with Valve monitoring it closely.
@@tsuaririndoku from the account of others, those big themed updates were underwhelming and overhyped. Even if so, an update like End of the Line and Invasion were to occur, who's to say Valve would do a good job monitoring it if they can't even maintenance 2 games properly. We should just stop giving Valve money. Tell them, No basic form of maintenance, no money.
why don't valve call respawn entertainment to fix their game? it's like titanfall 2 had similar problems, and they've fixed it, and I don't wanna be captain obvious here but, it uses the same engine, except different branches, but still, the code base is really similar valve gave respawn license on source engine source code, why don't valve take some people outta respawn to fix their game?
Totally inrelated but the loser olimpics thing got me thinking abt how many hours i put into WoTB. Doing the math, i played for 8 years across multiple accounts most of which are lost to time. Roughly half of that was spent sleeping, and (off the top of my head) something like 2/3 to 3/5 of whats left was spent actually playing a game/actually playing WoTB. (Im ganna say it was 1/2 exactly to A, make the math eaiser, and B, provide a number that i can trust to if not be a fair bit below it, than at least stand a chance at being near) and the finished result is 17,544 hours or just over 2 strait years worth of work.
I think Valve gave a pretty good look into why cheating seem so much easyer in Cs2 than Csgo... they said changing engine would make coding alot easyer in source 2!! yea no sht 😂
today i played cs2 casual 1 round. causal not premiere. The first person that kills me is a cheater. I am playing csgo since 2017 and it was never as bad as today. And I cant play other games because I dont like them.
![[TF2] Slept On Weapons](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QeedLZsJwjo/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Art of Phlog Canceling [TF2 Exploit]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fvl1_hfMI_s/mqdefault.jpg)
As a tf2 player, I think it's honestly kind of funny how csgo/cs2 is going through what we've been suffering through for 4 years.
not really
Valves practice of letting the employees work on their own project with no direction is starting to show its major flaws.
@@Labyrinth6000 Supposedly they stopped doing that, Idk exactly when, but I saw a video talking about it. "maybe im wrong tho idk"
8 years*
Bots have been showing up since Meet Your Match, you can probably find youtube videos about it
@@Labyrinth6000 That was never an issue
We all hoped that the TF2 Bot Crisis was some sort of Hack Mastermind that had some crazy endgoal in mind, but sadly it turned out it was nothing more than 30 to 40 kids, on average 13 years old, that were bad at video games, downloaded the most basic scripts and just ran it day and night on dads computer.
To be fair, some of the names gave it away
Cathook was an impressive feat for being a linux based cheat that made automating cheating very easy. It was impressive technically, just sucks because even cheaters don't like bots for how annoying they are
i mean, who else whould cheat/grief a gae like this? bullied 13yos ofc
okham's razor hurts
@@Viper-lq5xoAt least they're playing like kids, not grown-ups without nothing better to do than cheat on games.
Cs2 is exactly the same lmao there’s no way a grown man pushing 30 who has a full time job is cheating in 20 year old Ip. The cheaters are almost always kids who don’t have the hardware to run cs and don’t have any skins it’s a way to piss people who spent time getting good and money on skins, only kid/teen would get joy out of this. Trust I have 4k hours in csgo and cs2 feels like ive never touched the game the players with no account presence just dominate you with their burner accounts that have prime. They need to hardware lock prime status to your main if you want to cheat on a burner account you have to rebuy prime on another hardware not account. This requires them to get invasive but it’s either that or watch your game die
Leave penalties and aimbots are a terrible combination that only really punishes the regular player
Me: “Someone’s cheating”
Valve: “Yep”
Me: “I hate it”
Valve: “Yep”
Me: “I want to leave”
Valve: “sound fair to me”
Me: *leaves*
Valve: “f**k you help your team”
as much as I agree, in my region and skill group, the leave penalty is one of the only things keeping the game together. So many people just think they can leave like 2 minutes into a competitive match and get no consequence.
Its a shame most valve titles nowadays are best described as "abandoned" or on life support.
To summarize: TF2 and CS2 are good games but it would be nice if we could play them.
Crazy how valve removed bhopping as an actual skill, meanwhile cheaters do it unimpeded
Yep, all it does is make it exclusive to cheaters. Source did it best although a bit crazy but still best movement in the entire franchise. If hackers are gonna bhop regardless then at least let the skilled player base do it as well
I honestly think that any attempts at #savetf2 will only yield results when people boycott Valve en masse. If Valve's not gonna work on it "out of love", then they'll have to be "forced" upon their responsabilities, and that'll only happen when they see that they have a very real chance of losing money. There is NO shortage of people who love this game, and who have a scary amount of knowledge on its inner workings; this abandonment is, definitely, a corporate, top-down, decision/neglect
people tried that like 2 years ago and their response was a very half assed update im pretty sure that added like 4 or 5 maps and they were all pretty bad, truth is the only game with even a bit of possibility of hurting valve in terms of it's reputation when it comes to this is cs2 cuz it's cs2, tf2 does not have anywhere near the same coverage as counter strike does and if any game is going to get them to start fixing shit it's probably that one
The problem i have with the whole "Valve Boycott" is that Valve owns steam and steam is one of their biggest sources of income other than selling software & tech to other companies sure TF2 makes them money and so does CSGO & CS2 but how is boycotting their games gonna be enough?
Valve has the right to not care, it's their game, savetf2 was just rly cringe
#BoycottSteam
@@human-or2xf the update was a result of the tf2 mapping community asking for a non holiday themed update. it added 14 maps and only one was shit.
at this point it feels like if somehow everyone just moved on and valve now made no money from their games, valve still wouldn't give a shit just becuse they have steam
Someone’s been watching Zesty Jesus video on bots making 80% of TF2.
The primary issue is that Valves company practice allows their employees to work on their own project and not mandate them to specific projects. The biggest flaw is that it doesn’t prioritize certain games that NEED updating. Not to mention they only have like 325 employees while Ubisoft has over 10000.
who is zesty jesus
@@WalrusPNGtf2 youtuber with analysis videos. his most recent video was about tf2 online on steamcharts being false. also the original comment here is making up numbers so 60% of tf2 online is cheater/idle bots. so basically there is aroun 50k bots and 20-30k real people.
To be fair. Too much employees can cause a lot of problems interms of communications. Valve needs more people, sure. But we also not sure how much people we need to atleast sustain 2 games now. Unless they decided to make TF2 and CS runs by two groups.
Apparently they moved away from this model.
So TF2 is even more cooked 😤
If I remember correctly, only contractors are working on this game at this rate.
It's ironic, you would choose the flat structure so your devs would have maximum creative freedom, but in the case of Valve it has become a prison. They struggled to release Alyx, and they admitted it. Worse, despite their structure they prefer to outsource ideas: Portal, Dota, CS and TF started outside of Valve and more recently (in Valve Time lol) they brought an outside designer to make Artifact, a game which basically was trying to be a cash machine like Heartstone. It doesn't make sense why they are so creatively bankrupt.
I may sound hyperbolic saying this, but the CS:2 cheater problem is one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen in gaming period.
I’ve been playing TF2 since 2011, and the emergence of the bots around late 2019 only somewhat surprised me (given the age and state of the game, plus casual mode was doomed to fail from the very beginning). It’s also worth considering that Valve has other cash cows to milk so, though extremely disappointing for many loyal Valve fans, their abandonment is only *barely* understandable from a corporate perspective.
But.. Counter Strike? Undergoing a bot/cheater crisis? One of the most popular games in the world? Arguably one of the most valuable in-game markets in all of modern gaming, which is single-handedly responsible for a huge portion of Valve’s worth as a company? The game that holds some of the most popular and profitable competitive eSport events in the entire industry?
I could go on and on about it, but my god what are they thinking in jeopardizing all of this? I don’t play CS too often, but it absolutely baffles a non-regular like me to see this happening. On their newest engine, no less.
If it were us in Valve’s shoes, it would rationally be an “all hands on deck” situation. Work as hard as we can to fix these problems, and fast. But nope, they let their devs work on pretty much whatever they feel like, no matter how useless or unproductive the job is. Besides, most of the employees that arguably built Valve for what it is (writers, programmers, developers, etc.) are gone or replaced.
I get that Valve’s brand is that they’re a small clique of genius game developers who are overly secret about the happenings of their development and projects, but goddamn this is getting ridiculous. This constant abandonment and obvious incompetence has basically killed what withering confidence I and many others had in Valve. At this rate, they ought to pray to god that their “3” game installments they supposedly plan to release will even live up to the countless years of hype (if they’re even working on them).
TL;DR: valve pls fix ur shit
Did you see their newest leak called Deadlock? And the reason they don't do anything about the cheater situation is because in their eyes, why should they? People keep playing
@@IAm-zo1bo I had a look at the gameplay demos that are out there, as well as what’s being reported on.
It’s hard for me to really get a concrete opinion on it because of how early it is in development: 19 classes so far (I noticed a few of them pretty much have the same exact roles), Zip-lines, Battle Arena-style gameplay with players and lower level NPCs, the Source 2 engine, random boss battles, and upgrade currencies. Doesn’t sound entirely like my cup of tea, personally, but it’ll be worth checking out what other players think when it releases. It might be good.
But I’ll be real, I wouldn’t really say it’s “on brand” for Valve to host/create a game like this. I highly praise Valve because they’ve always been the company to use the latest technologies and unique gameplay mechanics, while using them in the most simple ways possible to allow people with underperforming computers to enjoy their games. And how they convey these games to us with some of the best characters and backstories really tops it all off. It’s just strange to me that they would release something so… typical? I mean the game has been described as being directly inspired by both Valorant and Overwatch, the latter being the direct competition to Valve at the tail-end of their care for TF2. It honestly sounds like a far cry from the games we know them for, if you ask me.
And I agree with your point that Valve basically has no incentive to fix their games, but I don’t realistically see such a business model working out for them in the long run…
Sure, Team Fortress 2 and the Counter-Strike series are very much ancient games at this point. But the truth is, TF2’s true statistics wouldn’t be that way if they didn’t stop giving a damn since 2018, nor would CS:2 face the current backlash it’s getting from comp players or the base community. CS:2’s situation might not be currently as bad as TF2’s, but all it takes is another “OMEGATRONIC” to find a way to cause maximum chaos and disruption. It must be immediately taken care of before that happens.
If they just took the time to update their games and figure out the issues with VAC Ban, they would be perfectly reliable and active games to enjoy with no worries. But all good things must come to an end, eventually. In these two cases, however, the communities feel that they’ve been abandoned and left to rot at very abrupt and inappropriate times.
But hey, even if they don’t make good games anymore, or games period, they still have the Steam store anyway. It’s just a pity for Valve fans who believe, as these triple A game titles fail with every game they release, the very concept of gaming would have a reliable bed to fall onto
TF2 is one of the most "popular" games in the world. Sure, the game has a hell of a lot of cultural reach in the gamer space, but there is evidence to suggest that the vast majority (70-80%) of the supposed players that are on TF2 at any given time, as reported by Steam, are actually bots.
Despite Valve being a massively successful company, it is paradoxically very small from an employment perspective, employing only about 360 people as of 2016 (according to a glance at the company's Wikipedia page). Valve doesn't seem intent on changing that, despite the fact that Valve is starting new projects. The glaring side effect of this is that Valve's manpower ultimately gets stretched way too thin, hence why you have games like TF2, supposedly one of Valve's biggest cash cows, not receiving any major updates since 2017. TF2 still has major problems with bots and, if the evidence is legitimate, Valve is unable to properly enforce their own ToS in any meaningful capacity.
This is not to say that Valve's lack of manpower expansion is motivated by self-detrimental greed. As a matter of fact, it seems that the lack of expansion by the company is what makes Valve a fantastic place to work for game developers. The company's also fostered a strong internal community and tradition that would inevitably be affected by a sudden intake of hundreds of new hires. Basically, Valve is stuck in a dilemma where it has to choose between its own identity and making better games.
Additionally on the new hires front:
Portal 1 Devs that were hired notoriously faced a lot of internal company backlash and were basically bullied out of the company by the time Portal 2 was made.
🤓erm well, actually, I have 8000 hours
-8000 hours
Anti botting needs to be part of game design these days, that's just the way it is. Valve has the resources and talent to accomplish this, there's no excuse for how they neglected TF2
Valve devs only knowing how to run a store front rather than a fucking competitive video game after 20 years of deving
Even that store is ****
AGGGHHHHH WE CANNOT TELEPORT BREAD ANYMORE
That was nice. Felt like a classic gaming/commentary video from back in the day.
5 seconds in: is my audio broken? checks audio...
him: hey.
me:
💀
furry pound is a _fine_ community server i will not take this half-hearted passive-aggressiveness
I apologize to the furry pound community. It is a great server that I play on frequently
Ultimately, valve can easily fix this but can’t or refuse because of how there structured
Maybe if valve had proper management, they could get their shlt together. 🤔
This is nothing special to TF or CS, or new for that fact. But the situation between those two games is so vastly different, comparing them just feels silly
The common problem are the same tho. Bots. And Anti Cheats system sucks. TF2 and CS needs better Anti Cheats.
@@tsuaririndoku TF2 and CS2 have completely different anti cheats, and their problems stem from vastly different issues on valve's end, not to mention that CS2 is still in very active early development and already had a giant ban wave wiping out a lot of the cheaters. It's insane to even compare them
@@ThompYT they have the same anti cheat, i.e. one that doesn't work, and like i said in other comment, the ban wave was a few thousand, a drop in the ocean compared to the cheating problem, it's still rampant since the "massive" (cope) ban wave, check leetify reports of it.
@@ThompYT So Valve is just totally abandon TF2 huh? I swear Valve needs to be more active than this. They are very Lazy at this point
@@tsuaririndoku I mean it's not total abandonment, but still it's not like they can retroactively use another vac version into such an old source 1 build
You’re forgetting how bad the performance and lag was at the start of CS2. Cheater problem Isn’t acceptable, but it is improving.
return to a matchmaking system that takes you to a community hosted server for the love of god. I t wasn't perfect and honestly sort of bad; but at least it worked and made a proper symbiotic relation between quickplay and the classic server browser
Stuff like this is why I haven't even bothered trying to play vanilla TF2 and just stick to TF2 Classic.
Oh boy! 2024 is the year for gaming!
TF2 feels dead in the water.
CSGO/cs2 has been at a quality decline since operation hydra (maybe later on, like Op riptide, the shark op)
R6s has kicked every high ranked in the balls.
Minecraft has completely changed and it's a husk of its former self.
LoL is LoL.
CoD hasnt changed and the competitive scene is a joke.
GTA V is a genuine security concern.
Valorant is alright ig.
Tarkov actively spitting on their playerbase.
Apex is starting to look like LoL but with the strangest cheating problem.
So many games have changed for the worse, and if they didn't change theyre rusting away. We've definitely have hit a low.
There has been so many new games that die so quickly, Battlebit, the Finals, Starfield, Payday 3, and Lethal Company is definitely making the way there, to name a few. There is definitely a passion, or atleast a cash grab for compainies to make new games, but sadly most playerbases want the older version of already released games. Every company has been trying to make a new golden goose that it's caused a great disparity between the consumers and the devs. I'm very thankful for any devs working on these games, because I can definitely tell that the core game devs are long gone.
Though I should add, there have been plently of single player games that are masterfully "crafted," but they lack the endless replayability like online-service games have.
I forgot to mention that this is a great video that captures a lot of people's frustration. I love the way this video is made because it feels really genuine.
Yeah if you only play online popular trending games. You could also play singleplayer games
@@IAm-zo1bo I love single player games, Im constantly replaying the tomb raider series and Oblivion, Ive sunk 40+ hours just on factorio in the past week and my peggle addiction hasn't gone down since I saw a recent blow up with the series. However, the most energetic and heart racing games have been online shoot-em ups, they're popular, and so many of them, for a reason, with endless replayability, so it doesn't make sense why these games have been treated like dog-shit for the past few years now. I don't think we're at the height of it all, more like the lowest point tbh.
The need to make games competitive and appeal to sweats has destroyed multiplayer games. A game cant be fun and casual anymore it has to have a ranking system, penalties, everyone needs to try their hardest or they get kicked and this game design incentivizes toxicity. When CSGO introduced ranks it was fine because when i ranked up too high i would throw on purpose to derank to silver where i could finally find people who mess around and bhop alot like me on nuke. They've also destroyed movement for the sake of competitiveness so no more bhops to main and destroy people with a mag7 through the skull and jumpscare them, this was the main reason i played CS in the first place. i fell back to TF2 after they nuked CSGO and now it's even worse than CS2...
So it's not Dota, Dota, and CSGO anymore.
cs2 get active support and patches like every other day and is literally brand new while tf2 is like a 20 year old game that runs on an ancient engine
Yet it's still not as good as CSGO.
Great video even though it was a bit rambly. I really like your SFM posters there really good thumbnails! Best of luck to ya!
I feel like premiere mode was created exactly to find cheaters and analyze their behavior, because they knew that top ladder will be filled with them
Personally I stopped playing CS after they changed the engine. All the UI elements, new movement and other small changes ruined the game for me. I loved the old graphics, the old movement and UI. CS:GO had a chemistry that could not ever get replicated in any shape or form, it was just something special... but valve had to ruin it all with their pride, ego and new "fancy" engine. The worst thing is that they remove CS:GO in place of CS 2 and straight up killing the old game. But at the end what me and my friends were playing CS:GO for was that special vibe that no longer exists. I cannot describe that vibe but if you played the old cs for at least 1k hours then you should know what I mean. No other shooter game no matter how close in routes to cs posses that vibe. So to wrap it all up CS 2 is bad in my opinion though the lack of the old game vibe.
(Wow I really made it in to rant that's to long for anyone to even consider reading but if you made it here then thank you for listening to my very shitty opinion and I hope you have a nice day)
exam soon, will come back and rewatch this and more if new videos are posted.
To put it simply, Valve has become too successful. Even with competitors, Valve can take a year vacation and they'll still make bank. Their skin markets alone make them millions of dollars weekly and Steam itself makes them the same revenue on a daily basis, so why try to be better when you're already at the top with no one to stop you? As much as I love Valve titles, I've left them simply because I'm tired of seeing Valve take years to fix basic issues that could've been fixed within days in the hands of another development team.
I saw the thumbnail and i god the impression EA bought valve or something
Bro the biggest update CS2 has got so far was getting arms race back. Its missing a ton of stuff go had its a literal downgrade.
leave that poor scout alone 😭
Glad you got picky about the original thumbnail;
This one’s fantastic!
I play TF2C. I went to TF2 regular on time and kept getting kicked because I played better than everyone with 0 hours. They thought I was a hacker. Got banned from a few servers. Never going back.
Tf2c is great
look inside
>stolen code from HL2 and TF2
yeah , try your best next a1batross
@@borealisaristocles4825 It's a recreation of TF2 from years ago, If it didn't use the same code, it wouldn't be TF2. What do you mean by this?
@@ac31048 you can make it look and work the same with the naked eye but with a totally different code
Just look FreeHL, FreeCS and FreeTFC
@@borealisaristocles4825oh boohoo, someone stole code from the megacorporation that couldn't care less about unofficial mods
also hl2's source code is publicly available through the source sdk
Was really hyped for CS2 recently started it back up but the amount of people walling now days is insane so I've just not bothered. Really thinking about selling all my CS skins to just buy steam decks for friends because I've lost faith the games going to recover.
furry pound mentioned
(its a really good server, just play with sprays off if you dont want adult content on every wall)
They view being a private limited company as a good thing but actually everything they are doing wrong is a result of them not being a public company with more responsibilities
wait until Mike Litoris hears about this.
I'm kind of glad cs2 has bots in a weird kind of way because that's valves latest game and they might actually try to fix the bot problem and they can just port that fix to tf2
or they only fix cs2 and continue to leave tf2 in the dust
Tf2 is source 1. Cs2 is source 2
Wanting cs2 to suffer just because your tf2 is suffering?
@@IAm-zo1bo nice strawman. would be a shame if i... BURNED IT
they dont want cs2 to have a bot problem but it may get valve to actually do something about it.
then the fix they did could be implemented into tf2 as well.
the commenter said it themselves but it seemed to go over your head.
or you intentionally ignored it just to bitch and whine about nothing.
@@Boomrainbownuke9608 the guy is glad that cs2 has a bot problem tho, even if he said "in a weird kind of way".
Also, you know for a fact that cs2's bot problem IF it makes valve step up, it would be only for that game and not TF2.
Well I guess since the FixTF2 campaign doesn't make us lose anything we may as well go for it, but deep down we know that nothing is going to happen.
Hey we have deadlock to look forward to.
I've been on a losing streak for the last 2 weeks. When I go back and check the replay I realize that people are walling and aim-bots. Absolute noobs who are getting demolished till 0:4 all of a sudden start acing rounds. These guys have no tracking, no crosshair placement, they just all of a sudden at the right time put their crosshair right where you are about to peek. No sound clue, no nothing. They nade you right where you are sitting. In one match I caught a guy from the side in Mirage Palace, he was walking and I came from the side while he was looking to the left, he caught me coming on the side and panic sprayed in the wrong direction, but his second bullet just did an airbender move and headshot me. That was it. It could not be more obvious. Its a damn shame.
And then you have to listen to their bullshit calling you a noob.
unfortunately TF2 may not get what CS2 has gotten which is AI anti cheat that will probably fix the game
It is a sad state. At this point, if Valve does not take care of CS2, it will end up like its older brother, TF2. I gave up, though. Especially with this new game coming out, it seems like the chance they do anything is limited to how much it impacts their finances, which seems to not be enough right now.
Same TF2 hours as you. I'm happy the game's still running
“One of the most popular games in the world” overwatch and valorant have a more believable player count even if they are both botted
that thumbnail is so cool
Good news VAC is going crazy now, let's hope for the best.
Haven't seen your stuff before, but good video. Also I guess the algorithm really wanted to show me that I was in the game in this video, so that's cool, lol. (I'm the medic with the yellow medigun and effect) :D
7:17 I mean, for community server you do not need any 3rd party software, and for a good chunk of the game's lifespan you played only through random community server using quickplay.
I think valve should give us quickplay once again.
Exactly how i feel. I come home i wanna play something, idk what to play though. Tf2 pops up in my head i then remember ill probably only game for 2 hrs at most and get off and i really dont wanna deal with bots and joining uncletopia servers that have people who take the game a little bit more serious then i'd like. I have 3k hrs idc about being good anymore or how the games going, i have stuff i gotta do in the day, all i wanna do is play a game without a care. This year i'd say i have probably spent at most and im being generous, at least 300hrs gaming. 300hrs gaming use to take me about a month and a half at longest and if im being genuine without the generous guess, i'd say i've played about 250hrs, idk though tbf. My point is there's no games, i wanna game, cant play tf2 which is a game i can play without giving it my full attention and satisfies the need that i want from gaming, but i cant cause its ass rn. Once i do this Elden ring playthrough i've started for the new dlc, which will probs be at most 80hrs worth of gaming and about 1-2 months of playing, i will go back to this where im not gaming but wanna game. I just wanna have fun playing games that i enjoy again with the limited free time i have now. I did the math cause i got curious, i have played 190ish - 200 hrs of games. 85hrs terraria modded, 15hrs tf2, 15 hrs baldurs, 11hrs helldivers, 1hr dredge, 10hrs at most on the nintendeo switch (mario cart and luigis mansion 3 with my mates), 4 hrs sunkenland, 10hrs golf with friends, 5hrs elden ring, 3 hrs ds3, 5hrs fall guys, 2hrs gta 5, 3 hrs red dead 2, 1hr fallout NV, 30mins of dragonball dbz fighting game and probably 20-30hrs between fortnite and apex legends at most. Games suck atm.
what are those animations and how did u get them?
Animation overhauls on gamebanana. I believe either funke or uncle dane has a video on them
@@WalrusPNG thank you very much kind soul
These are my two favorite games of all time, both somewhat ruined by the slow creep of cheaters and the slowly dwindling young North American playerbase. It's a shame CS2 is a such a big step backwards in terms of the matchmaking experience -- Despite being high elo in both games, CSGO's trust factor system mostly kept cheaters out of my games, and I instead found myself usually playing with other longtime players. It's absurd to me in CS2 just how frequently fresh accounts are queuing into my games and rage cheating. It's probably a symptom of a playerbase whom, if they're good enough, play faceit, and if not, just give up playing the game.
Cs2 cheater problem isn't worse than csgo tho, and I don't get that many cheaters
@@IAm-zo1bo What's your elo? The experience in CS2 is actually pretty quality until 20k and upward
Counter strike is nowhere as bad as TF2's situation
idk, in my perspective as a new player, CS2 Is the most frequently updated game I've ever played. and while yes most of the updates for now are to get to the baseline that CSGO already had, those updates are the ones the people are asking for most, and I recognize are a bigger priority than large content updates.
In my opinion it isn't exactly fair to say that the game feels exactly the same as on release, when movement has been largely fixed, we've gotten 3-4 updates to the subtick system to make the gunplay feel like the previous game, and a network update that fixed a tick's worth of peeker's advantage. And while yes those are small changes on their own, together I feel like they fix/vastly improve every issue with gameplay feel that people have criticized.
as for the cheaters, I'm at a low enough rank that I've almost never seen them so I'm not in a place to judge, but the new anti-cheat update seems really promising. Overall besides content updates I think CS2 has had just as frequent updates as I'd expect for a game minus content updates, and I feel it's current issues aren't even comparable to the drought that TF2 has had.
working product??? HAVE YOU HEARD OF TESLA MY DUDEEEEEEE?????????????
I think it's okay to be upset if a company takes away a game that you love and gives you, by pretty much all metrics, an inferior product. We can say "it's just a game", but you can apply that reductionist sentiment to anything in life; after all, we're "just a collection of atoms". At the end of the day, if it makes you happy and it means a lot to you, I think it's completely justified to feel frustrated and disappointed by what they have done or have not done, especially when they rake in millions in profits.
Are you using a mod to change the reload animations? They look so much better than the regular ones
They are animation overhauls on gamebanan. I think Uncle Dane and Funke made videos on them a while ago
cs2 isnt that different yet because they needed an engine update, S2 will allow valve to make more and faster
Awesome vid dude! Completely agree
I noticed that you have some custom weapon animations (I could be wrong that those are normal TF2 animations) . Where can I download those animations?
Animation overhauls. I believe Uncle Dane had a video about it. Or just look up animation overhauls on gamebanana
@@WalrusPNGAlright. Thank you!
long ass comment warning.
valve are incompetent is the answer. so many issues with cs2 - movement feels shit, is inconsistent and broken gamemodes like bhop/surf (half due to engine clipping issues) - netcode is unresponsive and now hardcoded to 64 tick, subtick inherently creates inconsistency where not needed, non existant anti cheat, minor graphical update for a huge tank in fps which isolates people who can't afford pc's (think cs scenes in developing countries, theres a reason valorant is so popular in said developing countries), clipping is shit, economy in game is shit with mr12, they buffed util to be even bigger/last longer, heaps of QOL things missing.. I could go on. they often ship updates with such obvious bugs it amazes me how they don't realise when the community will realise something is scuffed within seconds of being in a game. I'd argue its actually worse than TF2 regarding cheaters cause in TF2 you can just votekick or requeue, in CS you abandon or sit it out for 20-45 mins, and the prevalency of cheating means that more and more closet cheaters are coming onto faceit, which while having a kernel AC doesn't detect RMA/external cheats, some of which you can get on your phone for example giving you radar hack for very little cash and is undetectable. it's a shitshow but valve really does only care about money. iirc an employee had an idea which was pretty cool (can't remember what) and said to her higher ups "this will bring us in a few hundred million" and her higher ups said "that's 0 billion" and it was scrapped. the devs are often shit at the game they're developing so don't actually understand whats good/bad changes, like with meet your match or CS2's release. it's a shame cause as a kid i idolized valve with such great titles like TF2, CS, HL, L4D, Portal etc but they've really become pretty shit in the last few years, I think since skins in CSGO took off they realized how much money they could make while doing so little and that's been their MO since imho.
tl;dr devs out of touch and don't play the games/are very low skilled/don't listen to community. TF2 much less aids than CS if casual cause you aren't committed to game. Valve don't need to fix anyhting cause $$$. thanks for coming to my TED talk.
1:57 medic jumpscare
csgo wasnt kept as csgo because new cs titles historically have split the playerbase hard like with 1.6 to condition zero to source, by taking away csgo they forced the playerbase to move to cs2 because by month 5 of the cs2 launch csgo woulda had the entire playerbase still there
I know it’s annoying, especially the snipers in TF2
Valve making a graphical update to CSGO and renaming it "CS2" and making CSGO inaccessible is so stupid
Imagine if Valve re-released Half-Life 2 as "Half-Life 3" and it's just HL2 on Source 2 and then on top of that, it's an update for HL2, removing HL2 entirely.
When i play tf2 out of nowhere i only play casual because i feel like its an obligation to try to give people another player to shoot at and who will kick whatever bots they can.
Got any advice for me getting a golden pan quick and easy without spending thousands? 😂
Robot Gamble
I feel like this is beyond a Valve problem. Beforehand, you could make the argument that perhaps TF2 is just so low priority that it wasn't a big deal to them and they just shrugged off the cheating and bots.
But now, one of three things is happening and they're all terrible for gaming as a whole:
1. Valve has decided it's not worth they're time/money to fix this on two multiplayer FPS games. That means all FPS games lose sustainability. If hackers can make Valve decide solving this isn't worth the cost, what's to stop other devs from throwing in the towel when things become too expensive? They must still be making some money off the games as they pay to keep the servers up in spite of the hackers. So if other gaming companies realize this hackers are going to become more prominent.
2. Valve can't solve this problem. They're giving it their best effort but the cheaters/hackers have outsmarted them. Again, what's to stop this from happening to other studios? Unless-
3. Valve is so screwed up internally or VAC is so poorly implemented that they can't solve it. And if that's true for these two games of Valve's, what's to say there isn't a security problem with Steam? And if this is a competency problem with Valve, couldn't other studios have these same sorts of internal problems?
Was about to search for some background music to play CSS to
why did you kill that friendly man, like wtf
back for a watch
3:47 nice 4ss
the bots are back, but they aren't on a crazy level anymore, they still kick you instantly, and hive mind if you have more than 2 in your game.
Not to be pessimistic, but I don't think we'll ever get an update that will fix the bots indefinitely (I still hope Valve proves me wrong by at least meeting a standard to at least clear most of the bots)
I say that simply because It seems that all of Valve and the employees are just tired of trying or just don't have that same passion for tf2 or making games at all as they did in there prime (saying this just as an outsider and causal player of tf2)
They didn't even know tf2 would last this long, so it would make sense by now that they've both made an accomplishment for almost 17 years of an active fanbase in tf2 and at the same time...done with it.
I'm sure they can hire people who are willing and capable of dealing with bots in there games, but it still seems like they won't care to secure at least 90% of there games from bots/aimbots so long as they are getting millions of dollars in revenue...and I don't blame them.
It's my opinion and so I can't really speak for them, but still though the cracks are showing in Valve as whole.
there's a new VAC coming up hopefully tf2 also gets it.
All Valve needs to do is letting Community update their game. Sure, TF2 failed this before but that is from bad communication. What if we have one Valve CEO to make a final decision before community starts on project. Think of it as interns making a final project for Univercity.
That's what we're already getting, and it sucks. We don't need more community updates with 100+ unfinished maps every update, we need Valve to actually give a shit and hire people that will actually work on improving TF2, banning both cheaters and idle bots instead of just sitting by and doing nothing.
@@tau-5794 No I mean Community Updates like End of The Line or other types. Where it being more theme based. And a bit more organized with Valve monitoring it closely.
@@tsuaririndoku from the account of others, those big themed updates were underwhelming and overhyped. Even if so, an update like End of the Line and Invasion were to occur, who's to say Valve would do a good job monitoring it if they can't even maintenance 2 games properly. We should just stop giving Valve money. Tell them, No basic form of maintenance, no money.
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why don't valve call respawn entertainment to fix their game? it's like titanfall 2 had similar problems, and they've fixed it, and I don't wanna be captain obvious here but, it uses the same engine, except different branches, but still, the code base is really similar
valve gave respawn license on source engine source code, why don't valve take some people outta respawn to fix their game?
Bro literally made this video the same day CS2's AI anticheat was released...
Godot is based
Gabe's getting old.
Totally inrelated but the loser olimpics thing got me thinking abt how many hours i put into WoTB. Doing the math, i played for 8 years across multiple accounts most of which are lost to time. Roughly half of that was spent sleeping, and (off the top of my head) something like 2/3 to 3/5 of whats left was spent actually playing a game/actually playing WoTB. (Im ganna say it was 1/2 exactly to A, make the math eaiser, and B, provide a number that i can trust to if not be a fair bit below it, than at least stand a chance at being near) and the finished result is 17,544 hours or just over 2 strait years worth of work.
your style of playing soldier in tf2 pisses me off
My fault
It isn’t even counter strike 2 it’s like counter strike 4
I will give you the answer. Valve is playing favorites. I like both games but tf2 needs equal amount of attention which I know, won't happen.
Also, I just subscribed to your channel
cheating in games isnt new,
been here since black ops 2
I really like your channel bro, keep it up.
you know there's only around 3 ppl who in their free time work on tf2
thats a nice tf2 map
wait, there's still tf2 servers for faceit?
i respect you
This guy likes Shrek 2
I think Valve gave a pretty good look into why cheating seem so much easyer in Cs2 than Csgo... they said changing engine would make coding alot easyer in source 2!! yea no sht 😂
today i played cs2 casual 1 round. causal not premiere. The first person that kills me is a cheater. I am playing csgo since 2017 and it was never as bad as today. And I cant play other games because I dont like them.
Nice vid dawg.
erm what the sigma?