[TF2] Slept On Weapons
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In this video, we discuss some sleeper hits within Team Fortress 2! We take a deep dive into three weapons that, despite being unloved by the community at large, are still more than capable of carrying their weight. From the Scottish Resistance to Spy's Enforcer, let's take a look at some Slept On TF2 Weapons.
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I don't think you can sleep on weapons, that sounds rather uncomfortable.
And the corners- yea somethings gonna be broken,and I highly doubt it's the Guns breaking
real
My waterbed filled with jarate disagrees
You could probably sleep on a bed made of Second Bananas and it'd be alright
Base jumper do be fire
The gay sex panel goes crazy
You haven’t lived until you hit three consecutive sticky bomb traps and getting the achievement for it
And then getting the taunt achievement immediately afterwards.
I wish they brought old enforcer back, now that Dead Ringer is nerfed.
Still probably wouldn’t beat the Diamondback unfortunately. And honestly? I like the idea of having a surprise attack over being a better Gun Spy.
@@DavtwanIt's really surprising to get slapped by a crit you couldn't see because the disguise hides the glowing gun. Enforcer definitely needs a buff, maybe instead of just "while disguised", it's "for x seconds after being disguised"
@@techwizsmith7963 still ass gun
@@ThatOneDoomFan3 But it would at least be viable for gun spy
@@techwizsmith7963 nah
Thing is people dont really think the Scottish Resistance is bad. Its just bad for what the majority of people use stickies for, which is offense. They just find the Scottish Resistance's flavor of play to be rather uninteresting, which I can understand.
The Enforcer on the other hand is just a frankenstein of a gun thats basically just the stock revolver but slightly clunkier, and the Southern Hospitality is basically just a stock reskin.
people don't use the Scottish Resistance because you can't sticky spam with it, also the enforcer is amazing if you have above average aim and there's an annoying Vaccinator Medic, Wrangler Engi or Natascha/Brass Beast Heavy in the enemy team, it's clunky, but not bad, while the southern hospitality is a straight up upgrade from the stock wrench
Edit: you can't be your average braindead Sticky spammer pub Demo and the southern hospitality applies only in servers without random crits
@@tizianolocarno111 don't agree about the hospitality take (if we're talking casual servers with random crits ofc). engi does a lot of damage meaning his crit chance goes very high, a crit swing happens really damn often and it's way better than a guaranteed bleed, which doesn't do much.
@@otakusatanist yeah that's why I specified on my edit that it's better in non random crit servers, in official servers it's basically a boring Sidegrade that maybe can help you out if you're playing against against an annoying spy or multiple of them
@@tizianolocarno111 the issue with the Enforcer is that the Enforcer is good against what Spy is already a counter to. Spy already counters the Vaccinator and the Wrangler well enough. Why would you shoot the Vacc medic when you can just wait to go in for a Backstab.
@@supermudkipz that's true. It's probably more handy if the enemy medic is surrounded by his teammates and you don't want to dive in, but yeah, it's probably better to just stab them anyways if they're distracted. Maybe it's better if you're using something like the Spy-Cycle or the YER, since the Spy-Cycle can leave you without a knife if you touch a flame particle, and with the YER to maybe cap off a chainstab, but with the latter the Étranger or the Diamondback are still better.
The pure satisfaction of essentially instakilling a cocky Kunai Spy with the Southern Hospitality is just unmatched.
1:11 Big Yellow Jumpscare
I actually asked them if I could use that audio and they said yes lol
exactly what i was thinking holy shit
Big Yellow is one of my gf's favourite youtubers so I immediately sent it that clip lmao
Big Yellow wanted to make tf2 videos ( As indicated from his old avatar was the heavy from tf2)
I came here after watching the Melee Tier List vod and being like "wait I think I've seen that name in my recommended before"
while talking about how the scottish resistance is bad for sticky spamming, he proceeds to get a bunch of kills using it for sticky spamming
I sleep on a mattress, not sure why you’d lay on any of these
My favorite scottish resistance stat is the Carpet of Death, where i lay out a full carpet with the faster firing speed and selectively detonate them when a poor soul steps on it like a fucking minefield
free area denial
pairs decently well with the parachute. For some reason, no one looks up
The other thing people forget about The Scottish Resistance is that you don’t _have_ to use it on multiple chokepoints. You can set a two or three layer trap on a single chokepoint in order to cleanup targets that survived the first detonation.
Another thing I like about The Enforcer is the ability to give one powerful response to someone that has found out your disguise. Sometimes, you don’t have enough cloak to get away, so having a powerful and consistent two-shot response helps against a relentless pursuer.
The Southern Hospitality is certainly one of the wrenches of all time.
Southern Hospitality could have "does more damage vs bleeding/debuffed foes" stat to make it better.
similar for Boston Basher. I would make the Boston Basher have an primary fire that is 20% slower swing speed, and does more damage vs bleeding/debuffed foes and the alt fire is Boston Basher current stats and no random crits.
Never realized the scottish resistance's faster firing speed and individual det could actually make it useful for situations other than sticky trapping
Okay, wrench crits DO NOT oneshot sappers. They are counted as buildings with 100HP and thus have an immunity to crits.
Aye I should have clarified that better; I'm aware that sappers can't be crit. I meant one shotting the Spy to get him off your back so that you can remove his Sapper quicker. I apologize for not clarifying enough.
@@TealOpal Okay, that clears it up then. Simply hadn't realized you were referring to the Spy himself.
I'm so glad the Scottish resistance is getting the praise it deserves, I've been using it since about 3 hours on demo and I haven't swapped off since
The Scottish Resistence is also the only Stick Bomb Launcher that allows You to Stick Jump without detonating Your already existing Stick Trap
Yo the Big Yellow cameo?!!??!
I use the Scottish resistance because I hate stickyspam SO MUCH that I outright refuse to use stock.
Also it’s big brain time.
Let me add to the list:
All syringe guns
Yes, even stock
Even if they’re not bad when you get used to them, they’re just outclassed by the crossbow.
No no no, don't just say "even stock" and then leave. You get back here and explain how the straight downgrade from the other two, that not even FSoaS (who's syringe gun changes I don't even agree with) can defend, is worth anybody's time after unlocking any alternative.
@@lunalesombras1150stock can random crit.
@@Cheese_man539
In competitive it is obvious, but casual...
You'd be surprised how much value you can get by upping your medigun game alone, but people are quick to (over)use the crossbow. Most of the time in casual I usually surpass the average crossbow user's healing output by over 2-3k, while retaining the ability to deal respectable damage in close range encounters, whether it is a spy, scout or helping my team mates out by chipping +100 damage in, when the situation favours it.
Problem is that it is so much easier to shoot a single bolt, than spending time to be at least semi-consistent with it against beginner players.
You could say the medics themselves get outclassed by the crossbow.
People REALLY underestimate the dps they can do.
I mean it's not amazing dps, but its a lot more than people expect.
I’m so glad you’ve brought up the scottish resistance, it genuinely is so much fun to just post up on some random ledge bugged out super high up nearby and just dropping AC130 bombing runs on people from out of sight
I don't like the Scottish resistance because of two things I like being very aggressive as a demo and I mostly play hybrid knight
@@Goldwind336 I mean, that is a valid reason. If you are an aggressive Demoman, Stock or Quickie bomb is for you. But if you want to make a minefield and danger zone, Scottish Resistance.
If I remember correctly, there used to be a bug (not sure if it's patched or not) that made the Enforcer ignore not only resistances, but also vulnerabilities, so, for example, the Pain Train didn't cause you to take more damage like it was supposed to.
Pretty sure the pain train still doesn't take 10% more damage from the enforcer
I absolutely love terrorising wrangler engineers with the enforcer. Nothing makes them leave the game as quickly. 😂
I would absolutely love to play with the Scottish Resistance concept, but I am NOT waiting for these to activate while a whole group of enemies walks through the same door one after another
Wow LazyPurple did a lot of damage to the public perception of the Scottish Resistance
Comp too. Because anything not hyper aggressive just falls behind in a game mode where you have to constantly move forward.
Best case scenario for it is if you're losing, and need to defend last.
his whole video essentially lined it up for a slam dunk and then he just doesn't do it
Homie just had his favorites is all.
Considering the Scottish Resistance heavily relies on enemy unawareness and is strongly gimped when it comes to self-defense even when compared to Stock stickies means you're horrendously vulnerable to being bum-rushed.
Leave a trap near yourself for self-defense you say? You'd need to use maybe four or five stickies for that and then you'd need to take the time to reload, and then do the same thing again when moving to a new spot. In short, it slows everything down. Lazy didn't ruin its reputation, this was the general consensus people that had already reached by themselves after playing with it before he even made his Demo video. Its most effective use a lot of the time once enemies wise up to your tactics is just as a deterrent.
I really love using the Shortstop, it's a nice change of pace to have a good medium range burst damage option that isn't the cleaver, it lets you pester people outside of Scout's usual range more effectively, though the pistol still does a good job in that aspect.
20:13
If you ever do a follow up on this video, please check out the manmelter for pyro. I feel like it's really unfairly slept on, its free and faster extinguishing mechanic is excellent, even without using the phlog.
The faster projectile speed also helps hitting shots from farther away.
For me, it's the number 2 secondary for pyro, behind the detonator.
14:48 Numba one in da hoods baby, aqua teen hunger force is a good show, a shet, we were talking about TF2
The cleaners carbine is the most slept on secondary that sniper has.
People hate it because its firing speed is to slow to use properly and mini crits are kinda redundant with jarate.
But there are things that makes the cleaners carbine is that
1. It can charge crieky on buildings for easy and fast charge.
2. Charges on bonged scouts depite their invinicbility.
3. Most importantly can charge on spies while disguised which leads to long distance spy checking.
4. You can always use it with the bushwacka without feeling as dirty and unfair as you would with jarate.
love the cap'n crunch cereal meme
Scottish resistance fighters is my favorite sticky launcher
On upward defense, I can hold down the entire left flank by myself, it’s kinda stupid when it’s played right
12:38 jungle inferno killed the southern hospitality.
It got Atlanta’ed
The enforcer should be able to pierce sapper armour to secure it a building buster niche on top of the already existing wrangler piercing
honestly do love the enforcer, i rarely play spy because i'm still not accustomed to his playstyle, but if there's a wrangled sentry gaurded by a multinest, the enforcer is coming out, just unload an entire clip from a hidden location and the biggest threat to my team is gone.
how much i hate deadringer kunai spys it maybe my gun of choice if i get good at the class, opens up way more pick potential cause yaknow, spy isn't a dps class. it's why the ltrange is so good, still is a gun but the cloak is by far the stronger upside noting you'll be instakilling most enemies. the enforcer just counters the most annoying strats in the game.
I honestly think the enforcer is basically just a direct upgrade from stock. Its upsides can be significant by hitting the two shot threshold on light classes, and its downsides basically mean nothing. The slower firing speed doesn't mean much because you want to pace your revolver shots anyway because of the built in inaccuracy, and no random crits is whatever. Probably the 3rd best revolver behind the cloak one and the diamondback.
Watching the Scottish resistance section just had me going
“My brother in Christ you can do all of this but better with stock stickies”
i often like putting on booties, scotish resistance, either stock or caber and play as powerhouse/support. just trapping chokes and flank or 2 to stop any push from enemy... the downside is you need a team to force enemy into co-ordinated push that can be punished... extra points for launching medic into you and finishing him with melee
It's funny how on the scottish resistance section he shitted on sticky spam but 90% of the clips are of sticky spamming and spawn camping
Everything you know is wrong reference, youve won me over.
They only bad part of this video is that you didn’t shoot the bread at 19:42 😭😭
You know, the Southern Hospitality could be more interesting if it had a MUCH stronger upside.... At the cost of a much worse downside.
Swap that fire weakness for an explosive weakness. That could make it a much more extreme playstyle. But... the problem is. I don't know what would be a good enough upside for THAT huge of a weakness.
+25% damage bonus against explosive classes
the stock shotgun is slept on. its just really good
The Enforcer is just so satisfying to use against Razorback Snipers. No. You are *not* safe from me even with that stupid shield.
Also it does help in speeding up Sentry takedowns. Not amazing there but it is noticeable.
Honestly, extra ammo and firing speed on SR seem like filler upsides added to add more blue text.
extra ammo is a game changer in demo tho
Firing speed helps it lay a carpet faster when spamming, which is very strong. Covers more ground and lets you deal more damage as a result.
10:16
"The engineer has the most to benefit from random critical mele crits"
The Scotsman's Skullcutter: Yes but can you get the max random crit chance of 60% and hit 7 random crits in a row, with the only thing stopping you are sentries, a kritzkreig power class, and running out of things to kill. Didn't think so.
I use southern hpspitality and scottish resisitance both because
1.i use southern hospitality because there is no other wrench that can always gurrantee a kill,and i know random crits,but i play on community servers.
2.scottish resistance is just a ubgrade to stock sticky launcher if you use it like intended,people have become so brain dead im sticky spamming that they forget what their potential is if they litrally lock down each possible entrance to a area
Edit:- 6:41 can we just appreciate this spy for a moment
I will always defend the Scottish Resistance as a great and fun sidegrade that more people should give a fair shake
that being said me like big damage and the stock launcher is better at doing that
This isnt the video to discuss balance changes, but i think a neat property that could be adjusted to make the Southern Hospitality more interesting would be an additional debuff on hit that makes sentries deal more damage to the target. Just a simple buff like that and it adjusts the entire goal of the engineer when using the southern hospitality. It might need a nerf to even out its odds, maybe a decreased base melee damage, but I think it could be a fun concept to work with.
20:15 bro what 😂💀
I like the fact that actually using stickybombs as traps is considered an "alternative playstyle" as if that's not what the demoman was designed to do...
wasnt expecting to hear BigYellow on the scott resist part
Something I love doing with the Scottish res is setting up an obvious trap that is just there to be a decoy. Intentionally detonating it at the wrong time, and then having the enemy chase me around the corner right into the actual trap
I swear to god, this man must have just read through all of Wilde with how important being earnest is to him
With the Scottish resistance in particular, the reaction that your enemies are also quite significant. For the people who don't notice/ heavily respect the bombs or launcher, those people will back off and probably be forced to try to disarm the whopping 14 explosives less they die or waste too much time off the objective. And for those who don't respect it, thinking the arming time is a joke and view the bombs as harmless, well you can easily make their ideals literally blow up in their face for some sweet catharsis.
the back scatter
being able to 1shot light classes is quite useful
plus you are able to do more damage at a range than you otherwise do with other scatterguns, as long as you can hit their back
if you're flanking, its going to be more effective than stock 9 times out of 10
for me, if the Backscatter had a Airstrike like stat of "killing gives you plus 1 ammo, for max of plus 4 ammo" that would make it better. Maybe also include plus 5% reload speed per kill so it is plus 4 ammo and 20% faster reload speed at max kills?
good, bad? only one thing?
10:56 I felt bad for that Engie. It didn’t even seem like he wanted to fight. It was like Kendrick Vs Drake.
17:31 RWappin's Weird Al music videos reference, W
Scottish Resistance is super good with the Loose Cannon. Oppressive load out on tight maps. Push people back into your field of death. Massive synergy.
On enclosure you somehow could get on the skybox and enemy engies set up sentries and used wrangler to be basically invincible. All it took was 1 enforcer to teach the engineer a lesson
The Charge n Targe is so good with something like the Half-Zatoichi and yet I only ever see the other two shields in casual, really wish more people used it since you can get away with some pretty bonkers plays with it.
bonus use for the enforcer - wrangled sentries. each enforcer shot does more damage than a direct hit rocket when the wrangler shield is up
You actually forgot a hidden stat of the enforcer. It has a %100 damage increase against members of the Beatles. I've actually got a strange I named David Chapman sends his regards.
Did you know the Southern Hospitality is the only wrench that doesn't use sentry kills for strange levels.
The Southern Hospitality actually only got that one change as part of a game-wide experiment where all weapons with no random crits got that stat replaced with -25% damage penalty. The reason it only lasted one day is because this experiment failed horrifically as soon as the Eyelander was mentioned, if not sooner.
The your eternal reward is spy's most underrated knife
You can completely shut down a sentry nest with it as you can stab the engineer and the sentry still won't shoot you
It's silent backstabs are more useful then you would think
Being able to disguise as your victim is more useful then you would think especially in chaotic or crowd scenarios
9:08 Can concur, it's a good show. Highly recommend
What's kinda disappointing about the enforcer's armor piercing, is that spy is one of the classes that will see the least use out of it, the only 2 classes that would get even less out of it would be engineer and medic.
Like, how often does spy encounter a situation where damage resistances are in-play and he needs to take it out with his revolver?
A wrangled Sentry is likely better off being sapped while you use the disguise damage bonus to gun down the engineer.
Spy simple does not have the combat capabilities to make engaging a vaccinator medic and their heal target worth it.
And as for enemy spies, you are typically behind their lines while they are behind yours.
This is a great video, I think all takes on the weapons are very agreeable. I especially like that you went against the common narrative of the Scottish Resistance. It is way better than some people give it credit and your experiences with it reflect my own pretty well.
Not being able to airburst sticks or stick yourself when someone is in/near melee range is absolutely big deal.
The extra reserve ammo is nice but then there's the problem of demo's reload times which are longest in the game - to take advantage of the increased primed sticky count you have to shoot and reload for considerable amount of time, and then reload some more.
The dalokohs bar is like the banana, but with extra benefits that make it reliable for lone heavys. Highly suggest using it.
5:07
Hi I’m Nappa.
The enforcer probably works the best with the your eternal reward since you can use the eternal reward for chain stabs then when someone spots you killing everyone you already have a disguise on so you can just shoot them with the extra damage and since you’ve just killed a bunch of people and your team should be there then the guy trying to kill you probably has low health which helps with the low dps.
However this kinda makes you have to use the your eternal reward until you finally get caught out then use your gun. If you survive you have to wait for you cloak and if you die then you die.
The Scottish Resistance is by far my favorite sticky launcher. I am glad someone finally sees it for the absolute beast it is.
hope the manmelter gets fixed, i liked using it
I have a strange enforcer that I use every time I play spy. Granted, that's not often.
Using the Scottish Resistance is like using a smash attack
One of the best uses of enforcer is wrangled sentries. Cloak in direct sight of the sentry and when the shield is up shoot it.
It is such a good counter. When my team has problems with a zealous wrangling engi, enforcer is almost better than demo on that front imo.
I can’t believe I recognized that Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance OST in the background lol
thought: increase the enforcer's switch speed. interesting combo with the your eternal reward? maybe? idk, sounds interesting to me on paper and i haven't put much thought in, i'm just spitballing here :v
Yooo, Scottish Resistance representation! I absolutely love it in pvp. It's really fun to see you talk about it so passionately, really echoes my own feelings /w\
One thing they could do to make the Enforcer be more viable is to ignore sentry resistance to revolvers. That way the Enforcer can be the Nest destroyer of the revolvers, or if that's too much they could buff the damage bonus to 30% to make people more willing to use it.
How about a video on how to fix the hibernating bear set? I think valve was trying to go for a Defense/offense playstyle with the set. Though horribly executed it.
people don't use the scottish resistance not because of the slight delay of the arm time, it's because you can't really sticky jump as effectively with it which is something every decent demo does
14:22 Eyyy I like that show
My issue with the enforcer is that if your enemy is not paying attention and you are disguised, you have another option: your knife. For example, there’s a clip on the moon map where you shoot a sniper in the back when…frankly a stab would have done the job better and in one shot. Not saying you should never use the gun, spy has it for a reason (plus you were getting clips FOR the video so I get that); however, that’s the main issue with the enforcer: it is trying to be the knife but without a one shot.
My favorite pyro secondary 12:55
Woulda been bonkers if the Southern Hospitality had stats like giving the Engineer's own buildings a self-heal factor, a faster build speed, a greater repair factor (how much HP gets healed per whack by a friendly Engineer) or actually giving some metal to the Dispenser. Now THAT's some hospitality. Might break the game, but eh.
There's a loadout that I'd like to see, featuring the scottish resistance, because I don't know if it's good, because I suck.
Loose Cannon + Scottish Resistance.
I think the idea is you set up traps on yourself, where enemy scouts and things would come from, and use the rest of stickies normally.
Then you spam and duel with the loose cannon, making up for each weapon's weakness.
Loose cannon can duel, and spam, but sucks at close range.
Scottish resistance is good at micro-traps and sucks at dueling and spam.
See where I'm going? I don't have the foresight or knowledge of typical positioning to pull it off.
The Phlog is very underused.
It becomes the king if paired with a medic GF
I love using the Scottish Resistance for many things, such as funny smily faces on walls, or playing as 'Baiter Demo' where you lay down traps in a certain path, wait for the enemy to spot you and start chasing, and while your running down your sticky infested escape route, blow up the chasers while they go around corners. They learn after a bit, but I did get hackusated by a Phlog Pyro who thought I was a free kill.
My main thing behind not liking the Scottish Resistance is I hate using it for stickyjumping lol
I've actually used the enforcer in a completely unintended way, tilting. It genuinely annoyed someone that I was using it
Don't worry, as a Scottish Resistance fan, you are forgiven for taking so long to appreciate it, I have practiced patience after all. Honestly though, I do admit to having one issue with it, being: I don't really like the "you can detonate stickies without looking at them so long as you are near them" mechanic. I get that it's there to "help" with jumping, but I'm more than okay with simply turning to detonate them. I'd rather have the control over the convenience.
On to the Enforcer, I will say that I've been of the opinion for several years now that it isn't a bad gun. I think it's a balanced side-grade of stock. I'd say it's biggest issue is simply that: most Spies just aren't looking for the stock revolver. I imagine it'd be enjoyed a lot more if it was simply shifted a bit further into its gimmick, further increasing the disguised damage bonus at the cost of some other stat penalty.
To add
Southern hospitality DOES random crit in a blue moon from a glitch lol
Enforcer can bypass wrangled sentries. The only rework or patch would be bypass sappers to make it the ultimate engy building destroyer setup along with the red tape as it will lower health AND delevel buildings giving engy mains like me migraines
ScoRes with loose cannon and melee is the ultimate lockdown area
It rewards you FOR PLAYING HOW DEMO IS SUPPOSED TO BE
literally locking down areas.
In mvm its p much a better meta than stock.
Helps in pubs people never look up nor down lmao
The best thing tf2 can do in their next update is a strange banana and dragons fury
I loved using Scottish resistance! When i was new to tf2 (like 2-3 years ago) I got scottres as one of my first drops and used it so much!!!! but people kept telling me it was awful and eventually i became a pryo main :(
14:37 hey the caber can one shot everything but an overhealed heavy with a crit swing or a brass beast heavy >:(
I like the enforcer because of its 20% decreased fire rate
I feel like it gives me more time to aim my shots
I didn't know a lot of other people used the Scottish resistance as well and you have to cuz I thought I was just like one of the only people in TF2 to use the Scottish resistance mainly
animusic mentioned !
the main issue with the Southern Hospitality is not that it's boring
the issue is that it's identical to stock 95% of the time. and stock is a completely irrelevant wrench no matter the gamestate. Im other words the southern hospitality is irrelevant 95% of the time.
the only time it is useful is when the point is right outside your spawn.
besides revealing a spy with bleed is really not that neccesary. If their caught out once they are usually dead anyways