Car Batteries or Capacitors: Which Should I Install? | Car Audio Tips
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- Looking to add a capacitor or upgrade your car battery, but not sure which to get? In this video, Sonic Electronix explains some of the details about adding batteries (such as an XS Power or Kinetik Power Cell) vs adding capacitors.
While upgrading or adding batteries is the best solution, there are many that prefer to install capacitors when they upgrade their car audio system. As a general rule at Sonic Electronix, "When in doubt, choose a battery".
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge John!
it would be a good idea to add that when adding an extra battery/batteries it puts excess strain on your alternator. Personally I think a high output alternator should come before adding a second battery.
What is the make and model of your amplifier?
dd50. The Memphis pr1000.1 is one of my favorite amps because it is under rated and can put out 1200-1300w consistently and very efficiently. What I would recommend if you are still experiencing that type of voltage drops is to get your alternator and battery tested first to make sure they are good, and if so then you could upgrade your alt. You don't need a monster alternator upgrade for that amp, but an extra 50-100 amps would set you off right.
by the way i really apreciate that you guys take the time to answer these questions.
You would need the D1200 from XS Power, it will definitely help to stabilize your voltage.
A good place to always start is the battery. A Kinetik HC1800 would be a great choice for you to start out with. You would just have to make sure it fits in your stock battery location or use it as a secondary. If that doesn't cure light dimming issues then do the big 3 upgrade. Your last resort would be a capacitor. As far as wiring goes the NVX XKIT42 is an amazing amp kit that is true silver-tinned copper wire for better power transfer.
It is no problem. Car audio is not easy to get into and we know that, so offering help is the least we can do. :)
What does it drop to once your lights dim?
We would recommend that you go with the Kinetic HC2000 for this system.
Did you upgrade your battery to ground and engine block to ground cable as well? That might help.
Once the bass hits, the rectifier in the alternator has to adjust to up the output to compensate for the bass hit, this takes time to do, longer than a bass hit which is why you have dimming. A capacitor will help with this, but at the same time, it does take power from your system to charge itself. Ideally, you would want to be at 14-14.4V all the time.
Thank you for the suggestion, it would be good to do a capcell video. We shall add it to our list of videos to make. We have a ton of ideas lol. And yes, let us know how those XS batteries are doing, great choice! :)
There are a lot of good capacitors we have available at Sonic, in the end it may depend on what type of budget you are working with, you should check out the New NVX CAP along with the others.
Hello of 1200 watt Kinetik is a good battery for audio ??
You must get a battery isolator to prevent the stock battery and power cell from swapping voltage and draining each other. You can run the XS D3400 on a stock alternator but it will be constantly struggling to keep both batteries charged, especially if you have the XS one drained from use without the vehicle on. You run the risk of burning out the rectifier on your alternator more quickly.
They are really good at that! So long as you have a beefy electrical system so the cap doesn't end up leaching your system of power, capacitors are absolutely beneficial.
WOOOOOOO RIGHT IN THE GOAL. exaclty what i needed to know
Nipples :)
It will help cure voltage drop up until 12V. The alternator outputs 14.4V and if your alternator isn't strong, it will drop to 12V on a bass hit and be stabilized by the battery. This will definitely help but you won't get full 14.4V power without a larger amperage alternator.
How big is your stock alternator?
Thank you soo much I got me one today.
Get a GP audio alternator, got a 180 amp alternator from them and three batteries running the system, rarely have to recharge
Try the e2 ECAP1 by Scosche
The D3400 is a great replacement battery, you will notice your vehicle feels more "lively", especially if you do the Big 3 Upgrade.
He misused the term 'power' and thereby misstated a couple facts. Contrary to what the gentleman stated, a capacitor certainly is a good component to increase the power capabilities of your hybrid electrical supply. It does this better than adding more battery capacity. In contrast, a battery excels at its ability to store and supply energy. This comment won't make sense to those people who can't or won't differentiate between the meaning of the words power and energy. This comment is for people that understand (or want to understand) the meaning of those two words. Understandingly, most people won't understand this because the words are used incorrectly all the time. In short, capacitors are good for supplying brief high power demands, and batteries are good for supplying longer duration energy needs. For context, and roughly speaking, a large capacitor contains approximately the same amount of energy that an AA battery contains, whereas the former can supply thousands of watts, the battery can supply only about 5 watts. Whether or not a capacitor is a good idea for your audio needs is entirely dependent on the battery, wiring, alternator and capacitor options, but good capacitors certainly provide great advantages to hybrid electrical storage systems.
I'm working on my first sub setup and I have 2 10" subs 1000W RMS each and a 3000W RMS amplifier and I don't know if I should use a battery or a capacitor i would assume a battery would be better but I'm new to this stuff so I don't really know whag to do
The enclosure is everything. A speaker moves air so it makes sense that the type of enclosure it is in determines how much air it moves and how it sounds. You know the secret to audio, the box. :)
Can you use both n if so would u still need to upgrade your alternator?
Thanks! I'm gonna be ordering most of my items from y'all's web site ! I just love the prices !
Did you charge the capacitor first? The capacitor should go in line with the amplifier power cable, but it should have its own ground. It could be a defective capacitor.
I have a kicker solo x 18 going in my 2007 Yukon Denali and I'm going to be using a digital design M3 3800 Watts Max so 2800 watts at 1 ohm I only have a 250 watt alternator, it's been like 5 months without Bass I hope I'm good for now if I start seeing dimming XS power welcome to the family
you are fine, that kind of drop is fairly typical for a stock elec and a good sized amp, if the volts begin to run into the 12's then you may have a problem on your hands. to keep your system healthy i would follow sonicelectronix advice and upgrade your big 3. also for future reference you should take reading at both the battery and at the amplifier as the resistance of the wiring and chassis ground will give you a slightly different reading.
will my stock alternator (145amps) be able to charge a optima yellow top and a xs xp950?
There are a lot of reasons as to why you might be having distortion problems. Without more information we won't know what to do. Try emailing or calling us so we can try to help you figure out what the problem is.
thanks! would a small 850 amp budget kinetic battery suffice or do i have to get a stronger one for 1500 rms?
any thoughts on the Shuriken batteries? i want to replace my starting battery with one
im getting minor dimming from headlights when at high volume, should i put in a cap or upgrade battery
The D3400 is a very beefy battery and will work just fine as your starter battery and sound system battery, so long as you have enough juice left to start the car after a long listening session. Know that you should perform the "Big 3" upgrade if you get this for maximum current transfer. It's designed for 2500W systems and up, as well as 1000 cranking amps, so it is a bit overkill for your situation.
thanks and a great website
Good video, hopefully it helps some people make the right the choice
The Type-R 12" is actually rated for 600rms. there seems to be a misnomer on their site that suggests 1000rms for a sealed enclosure. The BRX1100 amp is only 1100rms which is what i was referring to, and your right. an alternator upgrade is always a good idea. And probably a bigger amp than that to. Was a bad day, My apologies.
can i have both in the car a cap and higher voltage battery?
Yes you definitely need to boost your amperage and voltage, upgrade to a high output alternator.
They have many uses, primarily to stabilize voltage which as a side benefit filters noise. If more people knew about their capabilities, you would see more of them.
Definitely upgrade your alternator and add a car audio solid state power cell. A yellow top is good, but if you want to run your system while the engine is off, consider some NVX, Stinger, and XS Power batteries.
if you have shortage of charge, I'd suggest an alternator upgrade before touching batteries or cap's - Btw caps are all but usless, the energy they store would cater for little more than a 1/4-1/2 a bass note before becoming a paracitic load - - While the engine is running, the majority of your power will be coming from the alternator, the battery only matters if your dropping below 12.5V - which should not be happening if you size your audio system and your alternator correctly....
Those car audio batteries can they be used as regular starting batteries like you would find in any car or are those only specifically for your audio system? I am a complete noob to this kind of stuff.
Although I'm sure you've gotten your answer by now, it depends on how you wire it. You could put a diode that keeps it from draining "backwards" to your starter, and instead only takes power from the workings of the vehicle, however that's only a good option if the wire you use between the batteries isn't sufficiently large to power the starter and other car components in the instance of your front battery failing. If it's not then this could cause a fire or a blown fuse without a diode. If you wire it properly with a 0 or 1 gauge wire then it should be just fine.
Also keep in mind that one battery charges the other, so when left alone they will eventually match without a diode, giving you a situation where if one fails the other likely will too after not too long. Batteries will stop accepting a charge if you lower their voltage too much, it permanently changes the chemicals inside and leaves you with a dud. Likewise, if they're overcharged it will chemically change them in a different way to not accept a charge. With a diode the front one can fail without the rear failing, but if the rear fails the front will as well.
You should get a solid cell battery for under the hood, such as XS Power or Kinetik.
Because I used the new XSpower iPhone app that just came out and I guess xs recommended the d3400 for my silverado 1500 .and yes I was also considering doing the big 3 with all 0 gauge xs flex cable . And I will be running 2 amps in my truck
Had capacitor running a simple Alpine MRP-500.1, capacitor caught fire and almost fried my trunk. Ditched the capacitor and installed a Hifonics HFI 1500.1d. Installed Kinetik HC1400 Blue. Lights still dim a little, but the sound quality has gone up considerably.
have you done the big 3 that should help with the dimming
I have a 2016 Chevy Malibu with 2 sa-12s ohm with a skar audio 2500.1D amp. What would be the best a big new battery? Or would I have to upgrade the alternator too
Yes, you can!
What question are you saying yes to?
I have 2 kicker L7 with 2500 hifonics amp in a 2013 malibu . When the bass hits the lights dim inside & out . voltage drops from 14.5 to 12 what should I do ? The set up is 4gauge wire to the main battery. Help me plz
Contact High Output Alternator Manufacturers, such as MechMan or DCPowerInc and see if they have one for your vehicle. Then, you just need a large power cell that is rated for your total wattage, such as the XS Power D3400.
A 12V battery that is rated for 3000W, we list those ratings on our website. Your upgraded alternator will be able to charge the batteries fine, it just depends on how much juice you pull through the system and for how long.
Make sure your ground is within 18 inches of your amp and that the surface is shiny metal. A battery or quality capacitor can smooth out your current and reduce the effect you are getting, however it may not fix it 100%.
If i were to upgrade my battery to a more "beefy" type shouldent u also upgrade the alternator as well?
another detail would be that my battery is 8 months old and its still in excellent condition when i got it tested. A second battery stores more charge but does it regulate voltage as well as a cap? Since it doesn't discharge as quick. Also what brand of capacitors would be good? everyone keeps telling me the power acoustik brand is trash along with boss, which would you recommend?
I have a 1500 rms sub with a 1500 rms amp and a amp for my door speakers and the headlights dim pretty bad, sometimes it sucks so much power my speaker amp will go into protect mode cause theres not enough power. I already have a capacitor, just should i get an additional battery or replace the stock one ?
You will need a larger alternator at that point and 4 or more D680 batteries. Each battery is about 1000W RMS capable and you should consider 6 to be safe.
A secondary agm battery is the way to go, stopped my light dimming and voltage drops, glad I got a secondary battery instead of a capacitor.
When u did that did you upgrade your alternator or did you just add it and hook it up to your stock battery and ground to your chassis
I'm new so idk exactly how to attack it my lights don't dim too much but I plan on adding a four channel amp for extra speakers and maybe a bigger amp for my subs
I just bought a boston spg555 2 ohm and a boston acoustics gt2200. I already had installed a boston acoustics gta704 to 2 sets of boston acoustics z6 and all my lights are dimming. All my connections are solid with big 3 up grade( 0/1 ga). My question is will a xs power d3400 resolve my dimming? My total rms watts are 1400, stock alternator is 160 amps, battery is on the trunk(2006 dodge magnum). I will be using the xs d3400 as main battery. Thank you for your time.
i have just bought a new battery and i was told it was a really good one it has 860 cold crank amps and i was wondering if i should still get a capacitor and if so how do i go about picking one out
Can you use a 14.v battery in your set up than a 12v also is that better?
You know what’s the best thing? Is to have a battery storage in your trunk and run a a capacitor in between to your amplifiers
I think a capacitor keeps consistent flow of power and a second battery to give that capacitor a steady flow of energy 2 in 1 and safe your alternator for the front battery also install an isolator in case the batteries drain your starting battery this way you have a full functioning clean flow of power no issues at all
How can i combine them 2 with my existing car battery?
You definitely should get an upgraded battery, like the XS Power D1200. It is a solid cell battery so temperature changes don't affect it as much as chemical reactive batteries. If you have problems after the battery upgrade, you will have to bite the bullet and get an upgraded alternator.
i have the same amp and had a similar problem. what fixed my dimming was a new battery (nothing special just a cheap interstate brand battery) and upgrading the big 3 (alt ground battery ground and alt to battery)
Hey i have a Rockford T2 and A Rockford Power T1500-1bdCP and wen i turn the volume up the amp shuts off and then powers on. Does it need more power
would it be a good idea to run both a xs power d6500 and a cap
Hi, advise on adding an extra battery and a capacitor? I am running two batteries and I experience some battery discharge. I am not sure whether to connect an alternator wire to my extra battery so it can be charged as well. -I need advice on that from some of you who are perspicacious; Secondly, I would like to know if I should add a Capacitor (and if so, what size) to my following system? I am running 2 Amps ( 5200w mono-block & 5500w 4 channel); 2 x 2000w Targa 4D Subs; 2 x 400w Pioneer 6x9 ; 2 x 350w Pioneer midranges; 2 x 200w Pioneer tweeters; 8000k h4 bi xenon HID kit; All this is installed in a 70's VW Beetle... I need that wise tip from you
@1LoudMerc hey man do u think a farad capacitor 2.0 will be doin a great job with a ps-21kx 20 amp power supply? (its actually 30 amps since i got it fixed with alexis electronix) im plannin to push a 600 watts kenwood amp and its 40 amps rated..will it work? any help would be apreciated C:
thx it work i have less distortion in the voice speaker, but just of a sudden i have this nasty distortion comming out the bass, i think its the mixer, i have two mixer, one for the sub and the other for the voice and just one more thing lol my tweeters keep blowing, do u know why ??? thxx for replying
Sonic... you should do a vid to let people know about Capcells and what they do. Some people are stuck on capacitors, but cant afford XS batteries and H/O alts. They may well rather want a Capcell at LEAST over a capacitor if that is the route that they have to go and its not that much more money. BTW.. thanks for the XS batts you guys sent me last week. Sonic always on top of their game!
I just got a Polk Audio PAD 1000.1, its hooked up to a Alpine type X 1042d. First question is how should i wire it on the amp? Second question is my lights are dimming alot and the sub doesnt feel like its hitting very hard. Would a Cap fix it?
What volt battery would be best if i was just adding a second battery. I'm also going to be upgrading to a 250 amp alt as well. Just need to know what battery to get. Would like it to be able to support 3000w or more.
The trunk/interior/headlights dim right at the beginning of a major bass hit, but they almost instantly come right back up after upgrading my alternator to battery cable to a 1 gauge cable. I'm running a 900 watt Kenwood amp, and was considering adding a 2 farad Rockford Fosgate digital capacitor to aid this issue. Would this work? or do I need a different battery?
Hi I'm running dual amp one for my subs and one for my normal speakers and i was thinking or adding in a capacitor so my question is how many farad capacitor will i need and is it possible to run 2 amps of one capacitor
i have the following
two 1000w,rms 7000w,peak 10" subs
one 4400w,rms amp 9000 peak and
one 140w rms 4 channel 3200w peak
Shalin Anoop buy a lawn mower battery solve my problems with dim lights an power compat don't work for me
The battery is simply a reserve of power, primarily used if you want to listen to the system with your car off. It can aid in some functions of the system. If you get a cheap battery, then you will not be able to listen to the system with the vehicle off for long periods of time, however it will help you with your current demand on the system. However, if the battery does not help, you need a bigger alternator regardless.
If you run 0 Gauge wire to the amplifier and then convert it at the amplifiers power and ground terminals to 4 Gauge, that will work fine. Make sure the amps power and ground wire are the same size. If that amp can accept a 0 or 2 Gauge wire, it is best to use that size wire.
HEy sonic electronix, im planning to buy these product - 2 twelve inch pioneer TS-W3002D4, and for the amp is RE Audio usx-65kv.1, and one battery Kinetik
hc1800. im using stock alternator but upgrading fuses and wires. do you think it will handle ok?? I was told by other car audio shops that its okay it wont kill ur alternator. what do you think.
Which would be better for a 2400 watt system ? Optima yellow top of the XS d3400? And yes I'm considering the big3 ?and will my stock alternator charge either one of these batteries? ( I have a 2003 silverado 1500 5.3L) thanks!
What can I use for my system I have 2 dd audio 12s and the bass kills my highs and mids
I'm about to install two alpine type r 12s with a hifonics brx1100. Installed in a RX8. Should I be concerned? Auxiliary battery or stinger 5 farad capacitor?
I have an Alpine mp500d with a 12"JL Audio TW3. once I installed everything I noticed that the lights were dimming. I know that the battery is a best option but I don't have room for that. I wanted to get a Capacitor but they say don't work. so what do I do?
i upgrade my capacitor and my problem solved great job bass m loud pioneer 12 inch3500 jump like crazy
Would it be be a better idea just to run 1 d3400 instead of the stock and d3400?will my alternator keep it charged good enough?
So if I get a 1000ca 800cca regular battery for my vehicles regular main front stock starting battery is that still good or do I need one of these "audio" batteries instead? I will still be adding a battery in the back for audio tho.
Vehicle=2002 Chevy Blazer Xtreme.
Okay. Say you have an old car.. 1987 Oldsmobile. I am going to put in a type x, on a Hifonics monoblock @ 1000RMS. And then also a front and rear speaker amp.. What should I do when it comes to choosing the right battery? Like Amperage, and Cranking Amperage.. Etc.
Thanks!
I have 1 pioneer amp rated at 800 rms and1 sony explod amp rated at 500 rms for my mids what gauge of wire and cpacitors should I buy?
And I'm planning on running 1)rockford fosgate R4004d (mids and highs) and planet audio Big Bang bb1400.1 or a DC 1.2k for the lows .i still haven't decided on the amp for the subs ?
I currently have 2 batteries to run my 2kw monoblock + woofer, since in my country 2nd battery is illegal, i was thinkin to slow it down a bit. Do you think i could just switch the 2nd battery with a capacitor. Or would it still drain too much power from my front main battery.
Im about to run 3000 watts system in my 03 expedition what would be best a battery setup or 2 50 farad caps??
I have a question as far as checking the UF value for the capacitor would you check it like you would a regular capacitor let's say for an air conditioner check in the uf value to see if maybe the capacitor still good cuz somebody sold me one and before I install that I want to make sure it has the right UF value it says 2 million UF for something like that but when I tested it it came nowhere near that. How would I do that?
I was lookin at the hc1800 an it looked like an old school kinetik battery but I seen on amazon the 1800 kinetik black series, is there any benefits in the black series kinetiks?
Hey am about to put 2 15" menphis subs with a 4ch 1600w power acoustik amp on my 96 toyota 4runner...should i get a battery or a cap?
i have a 3000 boss exxtreme chaos amp and 1 kicker cvr 15 single...and it drains my battery. do i need a capacitor or a bigger battery?
Hey I just bought two new Rockford Fosgate P3's 12 inch dual voice coil 4 ohm woofers from you and I'm powering them off a first generation JL Audio Slash 1000/1 running 500wrms to each woofer rated at 600wrms. Just today I heard a weird buzzing from the left woofer and on looking it'd stop playing music with a light touch to the cone. I have never even played these woofers to the point of clipping. What could be wrong and would your standard warranty cover this?!
i have a jl audio 500/1 hooked to a 10 inch L5 and a 12 inch CVR, they sound great and powerfull but the lights dim everytime the bass hits. i replaced my baterry to a more powerfull one but the problem is still there. do you suggest a capasitor or an alternator upgrade. or is there any other options?
I went with both I have two Optima batteries and a 50farred Hybrid stinger capacitor on 2000 watts of power hungry JL amps seems to work out well for me
What kind of Capacitor would be best for a Legacy 2000watt dual channel amp, with a $40 budget?