What went wrong with the Urban Meyer experiment in Jacksonville? - Colin | NFL | THE HERD
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2021
- Urban Meyer is officially no longer the head coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars, and Colin Cowherd identifies the reasons for Urban's undoing. Watch as he breaks down what went wrong with the Urban experiment in Jacksonville.
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Totally missed the point on this. Urban meyer was fired for being a bad human not a bad coach. Guy is kicking players like there is no way your trying to insult our intelligence with this take. Pretty disappointed in you Colin but I’m not as successful as you right so who cares about my opinion.
@@youdontknow7190 totally agree with you
This take can be your "where Collin was wrong" segment for the next 8 years.
Saban wasn’t fired windbag he left on his own accord! 🙄
oink joy oink
If Meyer had just gone 2-15, he'd still be there. He didn't just lose, he alienated players, alienated coaches, created controversy where there was none, and physically assaulted his kicker. Being a coach in the NFL is hard--sure--but it's not hard to avoid 99% of the mistakes Meyer made. He has no business coaching a football team from here on out; I wouldn't trust my son with a physically abusive megalomaniac.
Agreed, them being 2-11 is like the least offensive thing about Meyer. That roster is horrible.
agree
But if he had 10+ wins, he would still have a job even with all those antics lmao. Both are factors and it works both ways often times.
He suffered from Rick Pitino-itis
@@jbatts834 Agree with this. His performance is the least of his concerns, but had he performed well it probably could've saved him.
Cowherd covering for his boy, Urban despite the obvious missteps he’s had in his first year in Jacksonville is humorous
It’s so evident what Cowherd is doing too
Cowherd makes it seem like Urban got fired for losing games, like the other coaches he compared him to. Nice try. He got fired cuz he has a dictator complex, leading him to not know how to lead grown men.
@@nnjjee1 Make no mistake, he got fired because he didn't win games.
He's 11-2 right now, there's a 0% chance he's fired. Even 5 or 6 wins, he probably survives these so-called "scandals."
Get real.
@@Vic-Vega I think if they were an 11 win team these issues wouldn’t even come out. But because they aren’t he’s getting rightly called out
@@callumglover8413 by that logic, we should be hearing stories about Salah and Arthur Smith right about now?
Don’t let any of what Colin says to ride the fence distract you. He said it would be slow at first but ultimately urban would be successful in Jacksonville… obviously he was wrong
yeah like anyone expected the level of dumpster fire his tenure turned out to be
@@YA-wr5wd everyone I talked to didn’t expect him to last a year.
He isnt fence riding, he says in the video that he had said it was a perfect landing spot. He thought it would work, he didnt, so now that it happens hes talking about why. I dont know what people think sports media is, it sure isnt making an opinion in July and shutting up afterwards unless it goes exactly like they thought.
@@joeriley5099 Congrats you got a lucky guess, most coaches dont get fired before their first year even ends.
@@fabioj- Just because you may not have seen it coming doesn’t make it a lucky geuss. Saban’s accomplished far more in his career than Urban and has had much less controversy and even he only lasted 2 mediocre seasons at the Pro level.
I’ve LOVED this show since I started watching it 4 years ago, have agreed with practically everything said on this show, and I think this is the first time I’ve wished Colin didn’t comment on something like this cuz he’s not being direct with why Urban was fired. It wasn’t just bad down there. It was unhealthy.
Exactly he was acting like he was just a bad coach. When he really is a bad person
well said
Thought the same thing. Cowherd doesn't want to say anything about Urban's character (which is obviously why he was fired) because he is friends with Urban. Kind of annoying to hear him talk about "this stuff is hard" like Urban was fired for being 2-11, but i get why he does it
Hey man that’s crazy that’s my sentiment exactly! I didn’t think anyone else would be able to feel that. He’s minimizing this and glossing over how bad of a mess up this was and how negatively he affected that locker room and city.
Very very sus of Colin AND Skip.
This is completely downplaying what happened in Jacksonville. It’s not a problem that he’s as bad a coach as Saleh, it’s that their environment is the most toxic in the entire NFL. Saleh and Arthur Smith haven’t degraded their coordinators and kicked players, Urban has never cared about this job and is showing how toxic he really is
Arthur Smith is doing a decent job all things considered if that’s who you’re referring to
Offense is absolute trash with Pitts, Patterson, and Matty Ice. Matt Ryan is not the issue. The issue is how bad they drafted along the o-line. And defensively they have lots of talent but they dont show out.
@@fabioj- Dimirtioff left the Falcons with a salary cap mess too. Thats with a QB that isn't getting paid that much in comparison to other QBs in the league. They lost Julio and Ridley is out for the year. Its going to take some time in Atlanta.
@@randomhero8662 that being said Arthur ain’t going around acting like Napoleon like Urban.
That work toxic is such bs. Keep your comments to football, not pc bs.
I enjoy the Herd. But the two of them are friends and you can definitely tell by the way he is defending his boy.
Saying “he couldn't get ahead of the stories” makes it seem like he wasn't driving those stories. Things didn't happen to him. He made those things happen to himself.
Harbaugh had a .700 winning percentage at 49ers. How could Colin lump him in with that list? He just didn't like an idiot GM
totally agree with your assessment and that same gm is now at the jags. wonder why the jags are a dumpster fire? look at the leadership in the organization.
Actually, Harbaugh seems one of those few people who can handle both pro and college teams successfully. He turned 49er from a
Thanks guys, I was thinking the same think
Totally agree. Harbaugh was miles ahead of those guys at the nfl level. Sure he had some ego but he was a great coach. Trent Baalke has no business running an nfl team. If not for him, harbaugh might still be coaching in the big league today
@@peteprice9126 Jags problem is ownership. Which is true for every bad team in the league. Good teams tend to have good ownership. Culture of a team starts at the top, with the owner.
The problem with the Jags is their owner has no idea how to run a football team. Sure, he made billions, but running a normal business isn't like running a team in the NFL or any pro sports. His son does a better job of managing a wrestling league than daddy has at running the Jags.
“If they hadn’t hired Urban they would have hired Robert Saleh! Look how they turned out for NY!” Hmm well, he didn’t hire a strength and conditioning coach accused of berating players with racist remarks. Didn’t sign Tim Tebow to play TE. Didn’t avoid traveling with the team so he could stay behind to grind on women at a bar. Didn’t kick one of his players. Didn’t threaten his coaches every week and belittle them… But you’re right! Other than that, Saleh would’ve been just as bad as Urban!
What is Colin talking about? Coaching is definitely hard. No one is debating that. He didn't get fired cuz he's a bad coach. He got fired cuz he's a bad guy. Period. All the talk about other coaches who got fired was unnecessary and irrelevant.
Why is Urban a bad guy? Because he was hitting on a college chick? Probably half of the head coaches in nfl are bad guys if thats the case
As someone who watched every osu game with him there. Never thought he was a good coach just an incredible recruiter. Never saw this working
Same
As Cowherd has pointed out before, it's easy to win when you have the pick of the best of the best at every position year in and year out. Quite a bit harder to win when a draft and salary cap levels the talent you're able to acquire.
Same I’m a big buck eye fan too. But after I saw that Clemson game 0-33 I lost faith in him as a coach
He was handed a championship ready team AND it's not like you have to try too too hard to get people to come to such an already prestigious college football program.
I get what you’re saying my only question is a lot of power 5 competitors get high level recruits. Why did urban has success so much everywhere he went in college when other coaches recruit well and don’t have a fraction of the success
As a gator fan this is a false statement in 06 he put in a 2 QB offense in the red zone cuz he saw this guy with tremendous running ability that can make plays and get touchdowns with Chris leak and Tim Tebow that got him a national title also coached his way to a 11 win season at Utah before he got to Florida great college coaches sometimes don’t workout at the pro level and also you tell men the coach who was successful at Jacksonville I will wait
Don’t let Colin downplay the absolute DISASTER that Urban Meyer was. He didn’t care about this job since day one. The constant off field AND on field issues whether it be staying behind in Cincinnati after playing the Bengals and not flying back with the team only to find out you’re at a bar cheating on your wife, benching James Robinson, calling the coordinators that YOU HIRED LOSERS and belittling them, physically assaulting one of your players, having the worst body language you’ve ever seen post game, constantly not having the answers to questions about personnel or the what haves of your own team, and that’s just what I can remember. Urban Meyer was TOXIC and unmotivated the entire time he was in Jacksonville and made himself look like a fool
Colin has always been really soft and favorable toward Meyer. They must have some kind of relationship because any criticism he does offer of him is also filled with praise for how excellent he is in other ways.
@@billymanziel5666 I'm thinking that woman in the bar wasn't the only person Meyer has been grinding up against.
Considering the scope of Collins platform - this is an absolutely wretched take. As a coach, when you cultivate a toxic environment, it doesn't matter if you have Tom Brady or Trevor Lawrence - you're gunna be in a bad place and it's going to show on the field and in the media and THAT will be your undoing. The energy you distribute is the energy you gather in return. Urban got exactly what he deserved for his behavior and the only person accountable for his termination is Urban himself. I cant believe Collin is trying to put this on Trevor - a rookie, because he is "good" but not great. A player absolutely cannot develop in a toxic environment. Geez Collin, you have some of the best takes in the business but you're a little full of yourself on this one.
Colin, i'm disappointed in you, you clearly held back because Urban was part of Fox and he'll likely be back.
Urban is a horrible person. Terrible segment by Colin - clear bias shown.
100%
It’s not about the QB in this case, it had everything to do with his style, attitude, and ego that caused him to fail.
Except for the fact that TL sucks!
This is beyond shameless even for Colin, guessing Urban is already in talks with Fox Sports for some CFB analyst work
Please don’t use Harbaugh in this comparison. He led a team to a super bowl and three straight nfc championships
@@jimmye5700 🤣 even Doug Marrone was a better coach if you ask me!
Joy’s silence during this segment speaks VOLUMES.
She’s awesome on this show. Any female that is on a sports show just put her on there. She knows her sports plus her brother Jason is a Pro Football Hall of Famer.
Nobody is gonna say coaching is easy here, but this is one of the most asinine takes I've ever seen. You talk about people not buying into Meyer but never why? The man had a god complex coming out of college ball where he could basically control young men to do his bidding. He can't handle grown adults because he doesn't have the same power over them.
He didn't earn anyone's respect because most of his actions are foolish and can't be defended. Nightclubs, Money, and the Area are all he cared about because he never cared for the players or that organization.
Hopefully they bring in someone who can really help Lawrence and that team get ahead. They have some talent and it'd be a shame to watch it waste away.
Which is why people bought Into Jimmy Johnson and Pete Carrol. They treated their players with a respect the have earned as grown men in the NFL. Urban came in day acting like he had the power of a Russian Tsar.
Harbaugh went to the super bowl and was undermined by the same GM who is currently in Jacksonville
College coaching and NFL coaching require two different skill sets, so being good at one does not necessarily make you good at the other. College coaching is 80% recruiting, 20% football. NFL coaching is a split between managing players and detailed game planning. When Meyer can't use recruiting to have better players than all his opponents, his weaknesses in other areas were exposed.
Well said
And he can’t manage a group of grown men, many who are millionaires, like their college kids who’s futures are in his hands. Pro Athletes don’t have to take any BS and disrespect.
Meyer was good at funneling money from alums into the pockets of recruits and their families. He was able to get a lot of the top recruits every year and then overwhelm other weaker college teams despite his lousy coaching. The pros are totally different in that there's a regulated draft, limited roster size and payroll cap, and grown professional men that can see a fraud real quick. Pro coaches have a lot of football knowledge and experience and are able to earn the respect of very smart, gifted athletes.
@Matt Carey college coaches are better than most nfl coaches only 5 nfl head coaches are top notch in todays nfl
On Jim Harbaugh--
Wtf, uh, he wasn't fired "quickly and embarrassingly so." He had a ton of success with teh 49'ers before the relationship soured and the internal power struggle between him and the GM came into play. He also wasn't even technically "fired." It was a pretty clear mutual parting of ways.
Harbaugh has been both a successful NFL and collegiate coach--one of the few to ever win consistently at both levels.
IF(and a very big one at that) Harbaugh manages to pull the improbable and wins a natty this year with Michigan; do you think that Super Bowl loss begins to eat at him since he was, oh so, close to winning it and may want one more go at the NFL?
Weird to dedicate so much time to 'coaching is hard when finding a great QB is essential' when half the reason to bring Urban in was to shape their supposed consensus generational talent
The moment he drafted a running back with a first round pick I knew he was going to fail
And said he wasn’t even planning to play him at RB
Drafting a RB in the first round isnt bad. Najee harris has panned out for the steelers. The problem is they already had james robinson who was UNDRAFTED the year before. Their scouting team had proven they can find the diamond in the ruff when it comes to RB and it was not a huge need for the team. I usually agree a 1st round pick for a RB is to high but when theres a generational talent sometimes you gotta go for it.
Signing Carlos Hyde was worse.
@@jjmulvihill5666 signing Tim Tebow was worse
That was the GM, not Meyer
Why did Colin put into Jim harbaugh into the same breath with his NFL history as Urban who got fired in one year. 🤔
Some College coaches just can’t handle it at the Pro level
I love how Colin picks and chooses which facts he uses to make his point while ignoring others. He named all of these college coaches that got fired when they tried to coach in the NFL. Guess what almost ALL coaches eventually get fired no matter where they came from. In fairness, Harbaugh was fired not because he couldn't coach, but because the 49ers had the dumbest GM in the league. Who is ironically the same GM that's now in that dumpster fire Jacksonville.
Baalke didn't create the dumpster fire in Jacksonville, Meyer did. Baalke was hired after Meyer to work with him.
If urban Meyer did one thing that was good for the organization, it was leaving….
Colin said that Urban would get at least 7 wins this season and would be a great NFL coach.
I would love to hear from college players how Urban really was. I've read where he had a lot of problems there as well.
I live in Columbus, the football program controls the media, if someone digs around to prove an allegation that is bad for OSU, that media person will be banned from the facilities. Once you're the band from the facilities you no longer have employment.
Meyer is toxic, winning hid that very well in college.
He really shows his strong personality on the dance floor
This is like a girlfriend trying to convince us her abusive boyfriend is just misunderstood.
What a great way to explain it really very good
Colin “You all wanted Kyle Shanahan out” Cowherd
Colin “Let’s stop grouping Shanahan with the great coaches” Cowherd
Meyer: *Signed Tim Tebow at TE, got caught at a bar with a woman who wasn't his wife, called coordinators "losers," kicked a player in the leg, essentially cementing himself as a PR disaster in Jacksonville*
Cowherd: "Coaching is hard, and Jacksonville didn't buy into him."
What?? Talk about missing the point.
It was a lot more wrong with Meyer than having the wrong QB. Until Meyer did it I had never heard of a Head Coach not being on the team plane after a loss. Meyer just doesn't have the capability to coach on the NFL level.
The signs were there going as far back as Florida if you look hard enough
But seriously tho who kicks a player let alone a kicker in a preseason game? smh 🤦🏾♂️
You literally were the loudest supporter of the hire lol
6:06 or did you not listen?
It was not about poor results as a coach...it was about losing the locker room and being the source of drama. Colin, you used to be authentic.
First time Colin has disappointed me. Avoids the fact that Urban showed that he was just not a high character person, or with leadership ability.
strong personality is not the same as bad person and horrible leader, is clear Colin es making excuses because he likes him, i bet first tv appearance of Urban gonne be here
Just feel like this segment was about making excuses for Urban’s behaviour
Colin is bending over backwards to defend Urban with this take. “His strong personality” was his undoing? Not kicking kickers, mocking coaches, bad mouthing players, and by most accounts being an all-around maniac? Maybe that’s why there wasn’t much “buy-in” from the team
Nick Saban and Urban Meyer aren’t even comparable
Hey, fantastic analysis!
Am I mistaken or did Cowherd just blame Trevor Lawrence for Meyer’s failures?! This guy is unbelievable...and not in a good way.
Urban isn't a great x's and o's coach and relies on recruiting and having very good assistants. Never thought he would work out
Atlanta are having a good season considering what they have to work with. Arthur is over achieving so far
Totally agree
Yeah I mean man has almost nothing to work with
Weird to say Robert Saleh isn’t doing good while the Jets have the same record as the Jaguars but nobody is calling to fire their coach? Why? Because he’s actually good and they can see how he can help the team win in the future. Stupid take by Colin.
Completely agree. Arthur Smith actually holds players accountable and the falcons have won more games then last year. He barely has a roster too. 🤷♂️
@@crimsonzatz4492 yeah comparing Meyer to these other rookie head coaches isn’t fair. Meyer might literally be one of the worst coaches in nfl history.
@@JustAwesomee No one wants to mention the stuff Meyers was doing at Florida. He was sleeping with his assistants. His wife said either you leave or I leave. So he left Florida. His never been a good guy.
bruh Harbaugh took a disaster of an NFL franchise to 3 straight NFC titles and almost won a Super Bowl...way way above Saban, Urban, Spurrier in the NFL
Damn shame he had to ruin his legacy. Knew this would happen, he couldn't just stay on TV and be known as a great college Coach. Now he's going to be known as one of the biggest NFL Coaching failures :/
Urban was Urban showing his true colors that he has for years just finally now it is all coming to light. Glad to see him have his comeuppance.
I’m not a chiefs fan but don’t blame Eric for pats struggles at qb game plan has nothing to do with your qbs accuracy Kelsey dropping passes everything else
Literally everything
It's easy to not kick your players and berate your staff. You can be brutal and blunt while also being a good person. This is a power hungry man who thought he was king just like all these other college coaches who can get away with ANYTHING.
It says a lot about Colin’s character watching him defend Urban Meyer.
He didn’t have a QB? Lawrence is the best college prospect since Andrew luck and despite a promising start, he has only gotten worse.
That’s on Lawrence
Lawrence isn’t a great NFL QB “yet” as Colin mentioned
On god u right
@@Digitalknifeparty dude I didn’t say he was great but his premise is wrong. You don’t need a great QB to win games and keep your job in NFL.
Sean Mcvay was winning games with Jared Goff and the Browns are winning games with Baker. Not to mention, the Bears had a winning record with Mitch Tribusky.
Colin made it seem like Trevor is a bum. There are coaches out there doing more with less at QB. Expectations were not high for this team.
Everything. The answer is everything.
i really don't think you can compare Jim Harbaugh to other college coaches that failed in the NFL...not saying he was a COMPLETE success, but i don't think you can compare NFL Coach Harbaugh to NFL Coach Urban Meyer.....
Hey last I checked Jacksonville is only 200 miles from Tampa Bay, so Trevor Lawrence is technically close to a great Quarterback...
Good thing for Colin they don’t show dislikes anymore.
Man, cold take here
I can’t believe Colin is moving the goal posts like this to cape for his boy Urban smh
There has NEVER been a coach in my lifetime who was in over his head more than this guy. Early in the season he's complaining to an opposing coach that every NFL team is like playing Alabama. Skips a team flight to scurry back home and grind on college girls. Tried to turn an old ex QB into a TE. If anyone can name a more disastrous pro coach debut I'll give u a cookie.
He’s definitely got to be the biggest college to pro bust as a coach
that book would’ve been named “ how to think you’re building a roster the right way but you’re gonna fail “
Everyone in the comments is correct. I just want to point out that by Colin's own criteria Urban Meyer should have succeeded. He got the star QB!
Just because he had a great record of wins and losses doesn’t mean he was a great coach. He won because he had teams exponentially more talented than his opponents.
😂😂😂👀👀👀 did Cowherd just blame the Chiefs struggles on E.Beneimy??
More than anything else, he failed cause he's a poor leader bereft of accountability
Saban wasn't fired in Miami, FYI.
Anyone who thinks Meyer will be employed as a coach in 6 months really does eat their own farts.
“The best football coach outside of saben” that’s a stretch
Wait, did Colin say Saban has a big personality? Lmao
COLIN!!!! Did you REALLY just use the word "MASSAGE" with the New England Patriots??? LOLOLOL
Colin knows damn well that he didn’t get fired for his record. It’s so annoying hearing him act like it is.
can we appreciate that Colin hasn't had an L segment in like 2 weeks
Jimmy Johnson was 0-15-1 his first year with the Dallas Cowboys
Tom Landry was 0-11-1. Of course, they were an expansion team.
Urban Myer was the Derrick Fisher (when he coached the Knicks) of the NFL. 🤣
I get a “I like the way my farts taste,” vibe from Cowherd. 🤨
Being a coach in general it's incredibly difficult no matter what sport or league.
Did he just say "Bill, Kraft, Brady.... massage the message."
I do agree that what makes a NFL head coach a legend and stays in the league, is that drafting an excellent NFL Player; QB, RB, Defensive player, just good drafting
Jimmy Johnson got “buy-in” b/c the 80s/early 90s Canes were as close to a “pro” program as we’ve ever seen. Had to be relatable to your stars there too. Plus, he had the same kind of “swagger” his players did. Uniquely qualified to excel at both levels.
Colin this is such an irresponsible take and simply less than truthful. "This stuff is hard" is an irresponsible excuse for degrading players & staff, allegedly kicking a player and allegedly fighting a player. These accusations equal abuse and toxicity. If you're going to protect your friends, just say that. Don't try to BS your audience.
Outside of Saban the best ever? Does Colin realize there was college football before the year 2000?
the best take was '' if the room doesnt been in you it wont work'' everyone in the workplace knows that feeling if you walk into a team and your being felt, then thats a bad sign.
Arthur Smith is actually doing a great job with ATL.
Losing does not build character. It REVEALS it.....
Miami did not get rid of Nick Saban, he left for Alabama. Get your facts right. While Saban did not set the NFL on fire he had one good year and one mediocre year.
Harbaugh was a great NFL coach took SF to Super Bowl.
He keeps saying they got rid of Saban like he was fired. Saban left them. lol
Nick Saban wasn't fired in the NFL. He made the decision to go back to college football.
Exactly
The fact that trubisky got to the playoffs with Nagy is the amazing part
Jax needs to hire a coach free agents will play for. Rookies are fun, quality veterans win games
Harbaugh did Great in the nfl and took San Fran to the super bowl. Against his brother. And he was leaving for the Michigan job without a doubt.
He’s wrong on Harbaugh. Harbaugh can work in the NFL! Great coach in the NFL, problem was Trent Balke to me. That’s the dude whose the gm in Jacksonville right now too
“In the end it was a personality thing…” and maybe kicking his kicker lol
Colin mentions the Tebow thing as part of the undoing.. but no mention of not flying home with his team, telling them he’s going to spend time with family, then got caught feeling up a college girl at a bar instead???
Cowherd auditioning as public relations spokesperson for urban meyer
Uh, a job in college or TV within 6 months after the Jacksonville debacle? I know boosters/ADs and TV execs don't care about ethics and outside viewpoints, but I'd still take that bet. I think we won't see him hired anywhere within a year.
And by the way, this is one of the worst takes from Colin ever. Talk about defending a friend over viewing the events that transpired from a neutral standpoint.
I never realized Colin was so in love with Urban Meyer. Not a good look.
Jim Harbaugh May have a big personality but that’s not so much what got him fired as much as ownership meddling with stuff they don’t get
As a Dallas fan, watching 49ers with Harbaugh vs Pete Carrol’s Seahawks engage in a arms race and tearing thru Saints and Packers renewed my love for NFL football.