1972 Peterbilt 359M with Caterpillar 1693TA, Cold Start, Part 1
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2009
- Starting the Legend on a beautiful fall day. By the way it starts you would think it is 20 degrees outside. It was in the mid 60s this day. You have to use the preheat glow plugs even when the temp is in the 70s. The system works very well when used properly. I have started this truck in below zero temps without being plugged in with no problem.
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Gotta love Cat engines. They’ll never die! Especially the 1693s!
They were a great engine! I worked on many.. I was a caterpillar mechanic for 42 years.. They would sit you back in your seat!
Are injection pumps similar to 3406?
@@brucetiller2360 yes
@@brucetiller2360 3406A engine.. you had to be careful when torquing the barrel and plungers. No lube on the bonnet bushings because you can crack the housing..
Thank you for the advice I am looking forward to getting it back together.
@@brucetiller2360 I have cams and for sure 1 fuel injection pump
Peterbilt dont build a truck today that comes close to that truck.. That truck is a diamond. I had those cats and built several 1693 they are unique and that 72 brings back some good memories.
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I love the Winshields and Air Filters with the 359 models! They are Legendary Trucks and Legends DO NOT Die!!!
Jim Allen 10-4 on that Driver! I can tell you love your ole Girl they don't make them like this anymore that's for sure! Imma big unilite fan!
10-4 u got it
Drove a 72 cabover Freightliner with a 1693 three and a quarter horse it was a mean machine
Man's truck. 👍
treasure that truck it is a beauty. I am only 24 and have run old cat loaders since I was 14. those old cat motors are the best.
Great to see someone having fun and taking care of the old iron. Beautiful old truck!
The beast awakens!
My step dad drove one of the first 1693TAs. What an engine!!
One of the things about these old engines is that glow plugs are a starting aid. What most people have forgotten is that glow plugs were meant to be used to help the cold engine run and clean up all the grey exhaust smoke. Use the "heat switch" for as long as it takes to make the engine run smooth with no smoke.
hello. what are you talking about? preheat the cylinders as long as you can, then start the engin. no using pre heat while engin is running!
U will mushroom the glow plugs if u run them longer than reckonended
She's a purty ol truck!
Ain’t nothing finer than a 359er! Love the truck! I soon will own a 1693 cat in a 82 kenworth k100!
I rebuilt a 1693 cyclinder head once. That was one humongous dude. You absolutely did not turn it over by hand.
Cool start up.....that effect of the smoke on the ceiling was awesome.....old trucks like this that run hard and smoke hard r my fav! I would have liked nothing more to be in the garage while it started....Good job!
That’s a “Clatterpillar” love it
That is some cool shit!! Love the old trucks!! Screw these emission trucks
Wait till you drive a 560hp Detroit, that will give ya a thrill, it's like driving a muscle car, Get the Women Children and Cummins out of the way, I had the pleasure to drive one for my last year and a half before I retired, the only difference between loaded and empty was the ride.
AH! The "Coffee Can Full Of Rocks" Idle
That's a nice old motor there. Don't know very much about Ameri trucks but it's good to see an oldie preserved. Generally speaking I prefer European heavies, but look forward one day to get up close to one of these. They're different..I'll give you that..
Thanks for the compliment. It sure has a unique sound, there is nothing else like it. Especially the sound of the turbo!
She a honest to goodness classic , love them Ole school trucks ..
@MrMrcrain No, the A model replaced this engine. The A model had precombustion chambers, but did not have the double overhead camshafts. The A model was the first of the 3406 family of engines. It still had the same cubic inch as the 1693 but other than that it is was completely different.
Stockwood1...... No, the 3406 "A" was the Second iteration of the 3406 and the first of the Di (direct injected) 3406's. The very first of the 3406's was the 3406 PCTA (Pre-Combustion chamber, Turbo-charged, After-cooled... 360 & 375hp).
True true
The baddest sound... like it's about to blow up... but like a detroit 12v71...sweet!!!
The legend is a beautiful truck
Nothing quite like making $ and getting to smell the ole diesel burning tractor pull like a whole herd of strong mule! 1693 sounds like GrandpAw. Grisseled and warm when she’s cold. I would gladly drive that truck. And respect it too.
I love them 359 petes
beautiful classic rig, i love American trucks, wish we had more of them on the roads here in germany, but then again, our roads are too narrow and small for them . :D
what a beuatiful truck!!! love the way she sounds
first driving job. drove one that came from monfort from Colorado. ya the left lane truck. a beast of a motor. learn d quick never stand on the step after a rain storm and start.so much soot had to go home and re shower. bad motor.the fuel pump advance's were tac welded out.
Monfort trucks were fast but the KTA powered trucks were always faster.
A Real Truck!
Beautiful ride 👍👌
Beautiful truck!!!👌👍😉😁❤️
The 3400 series is a predecessor to the 1693. I'm not a truck driver, but I have spent a lot of years floatin' on tugs. My favorite boat to work on has a pair of 450 horse D343 TA Cats (marine version of 1693's) and they seem to be bulletproof! 35,000+ hours on em'! And when there spooled up at 2g's ,there's nothin that sounds better!
chainsawmike01..... where, Oh Where... did you ever get the idea that... 1) "The 3400 series is a predecessor to the 1693."??..... and 2) that D343's are "marine versions of 1693's"?!? First, you have it backwards in regards to the 3400 series.... the 1693 engine was a later derivative of the D343 and shared numerous design similarities and some parts, as also with the smaller 1674.
The first version of the 3406 was the 3406 PCTA which had pre-cup head and was introduced around 1977... the 1693 series was discontinued shortly thereafter. The D343 was around before the 1693 series (1963) was introduced, and continued well into the late 1980's.... Komatsu from Japan, bought out the design rights for the D343.
There are still Lots of D343's around as well as good parts availability..... they were sold & utilized world-wide in many different applications in marine, heavy equipment, industrial and gensets.
what an awesome cold start video ! I love it !!!!
"Kinda gettin' smoky in here..." well how about turning on the ceilings fan?!?!😂
Those old 1693s always sound like ping-pong balls in a coffee can but they sure had good power.
beautiful truck....tnothing can beat the sound of an old pre-combustion chamber diesel
You should paint the ceiling black and get it over with! Nice truck.
Also this 359 exists lol. wished I could have ridden in it. I drove a 97 379. this truck is gorgeous
Great truck!
thats old school cool for an old truckdriver...LOVE IT
@peterbiltfan389 I agree!! I drive a newer style cab for work and it doesn't have the leg room and the cab is narrower than the 72. Also the gearshift has alot more throw and play than the 72. The 72 shifts like a hurst corvette gearshift, the throw is very short and precise,, it just about clicks into gear! With that engine and trans combination it makes driving this truck a real thrill!
My old 1693 would outrun the wind, but had to fuel up a lot. Also had the 1674 (270)
One Clean truck Nice!!
Love that 1693 cat rattle..............
@stockwood1 the big rusty pete from duel supposdely had a wore out 1674 cat in it,so they found another pete for a backup,but was cummins powered
dalekrueger.... they must have had several of them old 351 Petes in the movie, because one of them was clearly 8V71 Detroit powered.
@dalekrueger It is a smaller version of the 1693TA. They both share the double overhead cam and precombustion chamber design and are also turbocharged and aftercooled. The 1674 is 638 cubic inch and the 1693 is 893 cubic inch. The 1674 is rated at 270hp but will walk all over a Cummins NTC 290.
The compression ratio is 17 to 1, I will have to check some of my techical info for the timing info. It will take a week or to two. Thanks for the compliment on the video.
@stockwood1 Yes sir . it came out of new Jersey. a custom order for a steel plant that is all the info i can find on it . It had custom made wiring harness on it from the factory. thats info i got from Pete anyways it was ragged out when i got it . but i,m working on it slowly
@lonerman270 Thanks, it does have a sound all its own.
Be still my heart!
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Nice truck I have a truck like this but it is a short hood with a recessed firewall for the 1693
@Loonsrcool66 Hi Chris, That's a memory, huh! You learn quickly to make it in one shot with that armstrong steering. I also sent you a longer note in your inbox. Glad you found the Legend.
For a 6 cylinder it is. The 3408 which is a V8 might be heavier. The engine weighs about 3400lbs, about 300lbs heavier than an NTC cummins. The one piece head and the gear train for the double overhead camshafts adds weight.
@termite692 Wow, sounds nice. This had the 10;00-22s but we went with the tubeless when we started running it. Your right about the air cleaners, it had a single oil bath, but went with the dual paper after a few years. It gives it a more symetrical look. Had a couple of original oil bath I found off of another 72 but they were rotted beyond repair. Would like to have the dual oil bath. They are a little smaller than the single oil bath.
Love a CAT, need to install a exhaust fan in the back, lol
Just pointing out something here, this gentleman's 359 is a good decade older. Likely way more tired as well. That might play a part in its reluctance to start.
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@dalekrueger Yes, but they had different designations. The 1693 was called a D343 and was used in generator sets and marine use and probably earth moving equipment. I'm not sure what the 1674 was called but it was also used in similar applications.
Stockwood1..... Sorry, but the 1693, D343 and the 1674 were all, and each.... separately designed engines. They all did share some design characteristics, and also did share "some" parts.... however, they were all separately designed and nomenclatured.
The D343 first rolled out in 1963 and continued well into the 1980s until Komatsu bought out the design rights to it from Cat. The 1674 (like the other two in question, here) was... just what it was, a "1674" and nothing else.
The D343 was first used in the first and 2nd generations of 988 Cat front end loaders, as well as marine, gensets and other industrial applications.... World wide. There are plenty of D343's around for sale in various forms (in 2019), lots of parts and they still command a pretty "fair" price..... usually anywhere from about $38 to $45,000.(!!) depending on application and in good running condition and engine hours.
Well done vid of early 1970's Diesel tech. BTW, what compression ratio is the 1693TA, and how much injection advance from TDC?
@JEZITSHARDTOSIGNIN I didn't know you could get the 1693 in a short hood. That has to be a rare truck. Thanks for the compliment.
I knew it looked familiar...then you said Southwest Michigan. Now I'm sure I've seen your rigs around.
I DOUBT IF youve seen it, We dont take it outta the garage much, Its retirred?? It was in the FLAG DAY PARADE A FEW YEARS AGO.. tho?
+Mark Votava Just the paint scheme in general looks familiat.
You guys ever do the Holland/Zeeland truck parade on Labor Day?
There goes you're nice white ceiling
+Krystyna Hutcheson HAHAHA yea i know?? Oh well?
Could someone please turn on that ceiling fan on it’s getting smoky in there 🤣👍
Thats why we leave-um running in winter!
There ya go!
well I stand corrected
Where r y'all from? How long do u have to let her warm up when it's below 0?
Hey, that's a neat rig u boys have there. U know wt would be cool is there's a song by Jerry Reed called The Legend, well hell. if you can u could make a little slide show or movie with your rig in it and play that song in it at the same time.
@83Mece factory ABS in 1975? you were lucky if they had front brakes let alone ABS in those days.
Shouldn't you let the plugs warm up a bit before starting it?
Walkin the Dog and kickin the Cat!!!!!!
@stockwood1 ok cool nice rig keep the videos coming
Badd kitty kitty mau mau !
watch that fukkin ispro
She sure is. I had a 94 379EXHD I bought from someone in my neighborhood that rode like a dream. If you'd like, I can PM a picture link for you.
how many gears does it have?
Trucks did get a form of ABS in the mid 70's....usually referred to as anti skid back then
Its refreshing to see some one not rev up a cold engine.
@nokiaicon A lot smoother and more powerful in the same horsepower rating. You will also get more mileage out of them. Drawbacks are their weight and they are a little harder on fuel.
Back in the day fuel was 29.9 and we made money hand over fist.
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alum frame truck? and any idea what kinda MPG you get outta her? im looking at a 72 w/ a 1693 in her cant find alot of info
if you can find a mechanic that is realy familiar with the engine you cna get between 6 and 7 mpg(that's what I was getting in in 1977)
Damn that thing is smokey when its cold ,huh?I can't help but notice that nice old honda on the side there , I had one just like that , eh?
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It has 13 forward gears.
"starting to get smokey in here."
SHould have turned the ceiling fan on before starting it lololol
Would it be possible to meet you guys in person and check your truck out? I don't live far from you at all!
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did they use the 1674 or the 1693 in anything else besides trucks?
dalekrueger.... Yes, the 1674 was also used in gensets, Marine and some industrial equipment. The 1693 was in numerous ways, a derivative of the D343 design which was used in many applications over the years (from 1963 to well into the 1980s at least) and share numerous parts, along with the 1674 and 3306.
The "primary" application for the 1693 was as an optional engine for the Owner-Operator package from KW (primarily) and Pete's. The 1693 was the first true Million Mile engine... in the hands of real Owner-Operators back in the era of the 1970s... and many Owner-Operators got well over 1 million miles before having to do any work on the engines.
The 1693s were a pyrometer driven engines and did NOT liked to be revved high... but would lug like "no tomorrow". They were heavy engines (4,300+ lbs with NO engine accessories), but built to last, if driven correctly... they were Not a "fleet" engine by any standard.
Should put a fitting on the air tank to air it up off shop air so you don't choke
There should be one anyway Incase you get towed or are working on the air system without having to run the motor
If you are going to keep it in there, you need to install some exhaust fans.
timing is to close to top dead centre makes for hard starting advance the pump
why is it so hard to start at 65 degrees? it should start right up
woooooooooooooo I love it.. I want one to piss off the neighbors hehehe
Wat een pracht truck
What ?? No comprede"
+Mark Votava Its dutch for "what a nice truck"
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How do you start it when it's -20 outside??
heat plugs
ya it was Called FMVSS121 it was an ATTEMPT to FORCE ABS on the trucking industry. It was A DISMAL FAILURE
Hey I have a book with this truck in it.