In this country, it is illegal to destroy a sea turtle nest. It is illegal to even disturb a bald eagle nest whether there are eggs in it or not. Why? You are stopping the potential of life. Yet we have, as a country see no problem terminating the potential to life of a human.
I actually told a female coworker about 2 years ago that a man got jail for making scrambled eggs out of a endangered species turtle's eggs. And she replied, good.. So I said the reason was because he was destroying the potential of life. And I asked.. Why is it that we don't look at abortion in the same way? Isn't that a contradiction in logic and doesn't that show hypocrisy? And she replied that there's already too many humans. I told her that's sad and that those are innocent humans but that at least she was being honest and consistent.
A fetus or embryon isn’t a potential life. It’s a potential born human, a fetus or enbryo is already a life. Otherwise it wouldn’t grow, non-living organism don’t grow
“If a mother knowingly harms her baby by smoking meth, she should be held responsible but if she pays someone else to harm her baby by chopping it up, it’s all good.” 😬 Wow. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry for this poor girl’s soul.
I hate the “it’s not a human, it’s a fetus” argument. How about “it’s not a human, it’s an infant” “it’s not a human, it’s a teenager” - fetus is a stage of development, not a different species
At one point she says the quiet part out loud and almost admits it’s murder and that it’s okay to murder babies in the womb. Once she realizes how wrong that sounds, she tries her hardest to justify it. I believe she’s actually smart enough to realize her politics are a religion and may one day change her mind. God willing.
@robe4314 Notice how she said she doesn’t support it in the 3rd trimester and once he brings up the Ohio law she dismisses it, shuts her brain off and changes the subject.
I used to be pro-abortion, so that I disagree she's doing any "mental gymnastics". The premise is that bodily autonomy rights are more important than the life of the pre-born human being, and the tiny embryo/fetus is not a "real" human being to begin with. This applies to the heroin thing too.
But it flew right over their heads or they would've stopped right then and there. And they claim he is arguing in bath faith when they don't even listen to the arguments
Referring to the preborn child as a zygote, blastocyst, embryo, or fetus at different stages of development does nothing to lessen his or her humanity. Those are just ways of referring to age, no different from the terms infant, toddler, adolescent, or adult. Life begins at conception.
@@michaellindenmuth9446 Not for mothers who miscarry or those excitedly preparing their homes for the new baby. But even if we imagined a world where no one spared a thought for pre-born humans, your line for "relevance" is arbitrary and could change with the caprices of the society. Why not set it at one year, give new parents a trial period? Or five years, you never know if that new job will work out and you might need to cut costs later. When you stop treating human life as inherently valuable and worth protecting, you lose the moral foundation to object to a wide variety of other evils.
@@rsvp87 some people do that… and they end up finding the child in a shallow grave in a wooded area near their house in a plastic garbage bag or in a dumpster behind the local 7-11. That reality does exist. Maybe if abortion was an option that far more horrific event would not have had to take place. When women are forced to be mothers they could grow to resent the baby they were supposed to have and grow hatred for it. Who knows what could be. Truth be told if you force women to have babies those sickening trends could become a much more common reality. If coat hanger and vacuum abortions don’t become a common used practice again.
@@michaellindenmuth9446 A lesser evil is still evil, but I don't know if state-sponsored murder is the lesser evil in your scenario anyway. Protect babies from death by coat hangers and vacuum cleaners by instead subjecting them to death by scalpels and medical vaccums? Even worse, it's clouded with dehumanizing euphemisms so it's more insidious.
@@rsvp87 yeah pro-choice people should be more comfortable with saying it like it is. They know what they are doing and why. It is time to be less ashamed and just tell it to you straight so you can’t hide behind guilt. Lesser of two evils. Again you aren’t exactly saintly by the way you treat these confused and desperate women. You aren’t exactly giving them a reason to believe there is a light at the end of this tunnel for them. All you do is try and install the fear of sin in them. That doesn’t work like you think it does. There is no comfort in that that will make a woman who is on the fence about this to choose life. Comparing this to other evils too doesn’t hold water. I swear I said soon they are going to compare fetuses to victims of the holocaust on one of these and someone replied “I would too if I believed the Holocaust actually happened.” It was sad to see. You people seem to blurt the line the opposite direction of things and don’t put into account the lives of the women at all here. You don’t care about their feelings and their rationale of why it is a choice… because Abortion isn’t the disease it is a symptom of one. You want to stop abortion? Make like it was when abortion was at all time lows for people world wide. When there was prosperity and hope. All you are doing is frankly offering no hope, no compassion… just straight aggression towards them. “If you can’t afford a baby you shouldn’t have sex.” You blame these women for EVERYTHING. I know you all laugh at shows like “13 reasons why”. Do you ever sit and think why pro-choice is a choice that some women have to make?
People very rarely have a change of heart in the heat of the moment. I think Russell knows his words are going to bounce around in there heads and force them to come to terms with their morals. However, a few more years of collage will just reinforce the rights begin at birth argument.
She said no because she realized her argument made no sense. But there's so much delusional that I doubt she'll ever come to the conclusion that her brain was trying to tell her
What you’re doing is more than arguing with strangers. You’re planting seeds. You can see it in their expressions that they start thinking and could potentially change their mind on the subject. I appreciate your work sir. You speak truth.
13:28 “This is why these conversation just don’t work.” Translation: If somebody doesn’t immediately submit to my incoherent beliefs, the conversation was not productive and I will passive-aggressively claim superiority both morally and intellectually despite there being no evidence to either.
I am not much of a religious man, but, Russell, your arguments and discussion have made me look at life a lot differently. You are a tactician when it comes to slicing an argument down to its core values. I appreciate you fighting for all lives and not just the ones those feel are worthy of life. As someone once said and I am paraphrasing: “it’s quite interesting those fighting for abortion to be legal are among already living”. It’s kind of a silly quote but after seeing the life my own child has now I could never imagine taking that from anyone.
I encourage you sir, please look into who Jesus Christ is. He is the way, truth, and life. No one comes to father but through him. You and I are sinners and Jesus is not. He humbled Himself from the throne, coming down and not counting his deity something to be grasped. He died a death in a cross for people such as you and I. If you repent of your sins and place you faith in Jesus, He will wash away every wrong you have committed against the holy God, and adopt you into His kingdom. God bless sir.
Christ is King! Definitely give him consideration. Changed my life. If you're more of a ration/logical/dogmatic (science based) thinker, checkout: Dr. Jordan Petersons Biblical Series. Absolutely fascinating. Good luck! Praise God!
Someone needs to show her that "fetus" simply means offspring. It isn't another species like she's trying to convince herself, it's simply a stage of development. That said, as uneducated as their arguments are, I have to give them a little respect for them for having the backbone to have a discussion - much better than the college students that childishly stand in front of the cameras or yell obscenities as they're walking by. The only way we're ever going to win this fight before Christ comes back is if we somehow break through that wall of extremely arrogant & wilful ignorance; we have to start pushing for better human development education in middle & high school, that would help tremendously.
Yes agreed, I've seen a number of discussions where abolitionists and pro-lifers do not clarify the definition of fetus which is literally proving that its your human child... It's a solid teaching point but I realize sometimes people just forget when caught up in the moment.
I know of a few people like this. They claim to be so intelligent but when you have a discussion with them they clearly ignore everything you say to talk past you and run a narrative, rather than actually discussing things you’ve said.
RIGHT! and then they always go for the r a p e argument which accounts for such a tiny percentage of abortions and then still say they would support it under any circumstances so I don’t understand
I’ve had these arguments. They argue based on the assumption that they will “getcha” because they think they’re smarter than you. When you have a fully developed, well-articulated response, it goes in a circle until they have to fully accept the only reason they are for abortion is because of selfish desire, the “no one can make me do what I don’t want to do” argument. It doesn’t work in other aspects of life, but this is their idol to unfettered selfishness.
I’m only 7 minutes in but damn. I never heard an actual conversation about this topic for this long. It almost seems like the difference between a conversation and an argument lies solely with each parties ability to listen and willingness to learn But then I spoke to soon. 7 minutes later.. a new meaning of “pre-human” was coined Great video. Very respectful group holding the emotions down to a civil level
The black girl was civil and rational, and it is refreshing to see a young person at least be willing to talk. We desperately need discourse today. The argument really boils down to what is a human. People are so offended when you step on the rights of a woman, all the while dismissing the rights of a child. A woman who kills a 2 month old child will go to jail for a very long time and be called a monster. Yet a woman who kills a 2nd or third trimester baby is called brave. Can they not see the hypocrisy? 😢😢
She thinks that all human beings should have autonomy over their own bodies and than goes to say abortion is ok! Cognitive dissonance or complete ignorance, it’s one or the other!
The maddest part about saying a fetus isn’t a human is the fact you have to hold this belief right up until the point the child comes out the birth canal after 9 months. 😂😂😂 It’s quite incredible how dumb the world is
I especially see her saying this when he interrupts her, but she fails to acknowledge that she will make a bunch of broad generalisations that actually need to be broken down. Because often, A leads to B which leads to C and so on.
@@olemew if someone destroyed the fetus against her will, or if she miscarriaged while wanting the child; then it becomes clear that a fetus is not an inanimate object. It's a human.
@@TR13400 from a pro abortion view, it can be animate, human, but not been granted individual rights (including to your body). As in, you're not really a protected human being if you are the size of a pinky and half your organs don't exist yet.
I hope these students rewatch this conversation and somehow miraculously see the gaping inconsistencies in their arguments. Appreciate how much this channel has challenged me. Keep it up!
@@MarshallllllllWalk3rI'd generally say when you have to move the goalpost of what counts as a human being, only to then say "weellllll, actually it doesn't matter" I think you can see some pretty wide open inconsistencies. 🤷
@@solomonheppner lol, "blind hater" I'm so insightful and logical that I WANT to support this channel. Failure is imminent. Your extremism represents single digit % of American voters. Lying and insulting people isn't going to suddenly make them agree with you.
When your argument is their logic against them. Its supposedly in bad faith. My jaw dropped on so many points when they hear back their own argument and then disagree with it. Its mind blowing. People do not want to think for themselves anymore
Early childhood learning is important... since they were old enough to process language, they’ve heard “My Body, My Choice”, “Abortion is a Right”, etc. They’ve Literally been conditioned to this philosophy.
Yeah thats why most debates are pointless. All it takes is one uniust person, one liar, one disingenuous moment, and the debate is derailed and no one learns anything.
as you stated, I think most people certainly know it is a baby and still don't care. They are angry, have a hatred of acknowledgement of sin, and will stand with Satan to convince themselves that they are proponents of justice and altruism rather than murderous sinners.
I think your statement is accurate whether or not religion is true. after all abortion is mrder regardless of religion. they do not want to accept that it is mrder for their own selfish reasons even though it is self evident.
This guy is spot on! One of the strongest arguments is the inconsistency of the law. The law recognizes the baby in the womb when the mom WANTS IS, but does not recognize the baby in the womb when the mom DOESN'T WANT IT. Therefore, the value of the baby DOES NOT (by law) come from God...but ONLY from the mom. Bye, as I have a fetus shower to go to.
6:45 She doesn't understand that these personal liberties have to come from somewhere. Your government doesn't give you rights. No human can do that. You have personal liberty, yes, but not to kill people. These are the same people that don't want you to have the right to defend yourself.
"Remember that even when those who move you be Kings, or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone, when you stand before God, you cannot say,"But I was told by others to do thus." Or that, "Virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice"-- "King" of Jerusalem.
What the black chick fails to realize is her argument is just as much a religious argument as Russell's, she just hasn't thought it out to its logical end. She thinks she is the 'neutral' ground and her position is more valid because of that, which is just a myth that you can be neutral at all.
@@MarshallllllllWalk3rso you think because someone wants to have sex because they desire it and fully well know a child will be born it’s okay to murder that child because why you can’t keep it in your pants?
2 questions I wanna ask people that claim that a fetus is not a life…. 1. Are they willing to tell women that had miscarriages not to mourn because it wasnt a life? 2. Should all criminals convicted of double murder for killing a pregnant woman be repealed and have there sentences and charges reversed to just 1 homicide?
I’ve never heard a pregnant woman that planned to carry full term say they were carrying a fetus or parasite. They always reference the baby or child. Amazing how we can so conveniently change our opinions or skew the truth to justify our actions and/or soothe our conscience. Consider that perhaps the woman’s womb is God’s NICU. Hope God blesses you with great success in spreading the truth. Peace.
@@emigs8712 TY. I apologize for my assumption. I understand because many of my comments are deleted or not posted because of my religious beliefs or views. Keep on fighting for God kingdom. Pray for me. God bless
That sounds good until you ask who has priority rights when a human is inside another human? Or, who has controlling rights of a pregnant woman's womb? The fetus? The government? The woman?
@@richmondpennokee I'm not a fan of governments having any controlling rights over anyone's body or the idea of devaluing women to lesser status than a non-sentient, non-viable human.
@@mondobear22 I'm quite curious. In which ways is a woman 'devalued' to being lesser than their child other than the fact that they have to take care of them? What difference does that make when the baby is born and they still have to take care of them? The child is still 'non-sentient' and 'non-viable' yet the mother, by law now *has* to take care of them. I suppose the only difference is location, which is arbitrary.
@@Cklert A fetus becomes sentient, at some level, at around 16 weeks. A fetus becomes viable during the 3rd trimester. Viable, in the context of abortion means precisely uterus dependent. The fetus rights movement goal isn't aimed at taking body autonomy rights from pregnant women. More specifically, the goal is to shift controlling rights of pregnant women's wombs to the government.
The confidence and yet astonishing ignorance of these college students is just baffling. Not only should we abolish all abortions, but we should teach young women and men the responsible values of human life and intimacy within a marriage only with a trusted committed spouse. We need God back in this nation.
That part of the conversation where you pointed out the fact that she believes it’s ok to kill an unborn baby but not to hurt it was absolute Gold. I may use that one.
These otherwise friendly young people are holding fast to an unreasonable position by exercising their wills instead of their minds. They’ve been indoctrinated, programmed, and its incredibly sad.
@@aarongreenyt Abortion isn't murder. The unborn aren't babies. These are two facts that abolitionists will never ever ever accept. Their entire existence is based on a chorus of lies. It's a communicable disease amongst the radical right.
I constantly hear the argument of women not wanting to consent to pregnancy. The argument that the mother is the victim of pregnancy, making the child the perpetrator boggels me. The discussion of how one gets pregnant is talked about so little unless it’s about rape. The consent to pregnancy is when you consent to sex. Sex is how women get pregnant if you don’t want to get pregnant then don’t have sex. How did we completely skip the HOW conception happened.
I’m always so excited for this. I’m working up the courage to find some friends and do this at my towns version of art walk. Thank you for the example you set for the kingdom!
Y’all read my mind… I was wondering if y’all were maybe going to post the entire interview. The young lady that looked like she wasn’t wearing anything but a black coat 😱😲🥴 seemed very intelligent. I just don’t know if she heard herself when she was talking about the mother who should be held responsible if she KNOWINGLY took drugs and abused her body so that her fetus, died. Well… ummmm… isn’t it kind of the same concept with a woman KNOWINGLY going into an abortion clinic?!?! She knows the baby is going to die!!!! It’s as if they are standing with their fingers in their ears refusing to listen! HATS OFF to the production crew that put this video together and thank you!!! And also thank you to Russell for showing that it’s possible to keep it civil.
TY for your comment. I had an abortion 26 years ago. I went into that clinic not really understanding what happened during an abortion. I recieved 0 counseling. I my mind I knew that it was a life but I pushed that to the back of my mind. However, when I later learned what happened during an abortion I fell apart. I had no idea that they tore my baby apart & that God was the only one that could hear him/her scream. If I'd have had a prolifer outside of that clinic that morning. I wouldn't have won't through with it. I still struggle with that sin even though I know that God has forgiven me. That's why I am now an abolishionist. God bless
My twin boys were born at 24 weeks and 3 days. The fact that people argue abortion after that I watched them fight and survive without seeing a third trimester. Human from conception. Miracles from God. End of discussion. Bloody miracles. They spent 6 months in the nicu one has a tracheostomy, he at 17 months requires more help than full term babies at birth. He still laughs and tickles and plays because he is his own person. I watched my mum go into a wheelchair for years and then walk again and that chair has dust on it now. Ones ability to physically help themselves doesn’t qualify another for murder.
"This is why these conversations dont work." Translates to "people like me dont like these conversations because we dont want to think our opinion through or we have and we dont like being confronted with the truth... its murder."
Of course. However the grounding for why you believe what you believe is more arbitrary without an ultimate. But even if you reject the author, the law is still written on your heart and you can embrace it.
yes all moral humans seem to be welcome but im sure you will be more interested in jesus the longer you watch videos. I certainly wasnt a christian over a year ago but have been going to church and trying to see life through the moral lense of jesus.
You can support abolition as a secularist, yes, but you cannot BE an abolitionist because one of the five tenets of abolition is being Gospel Centered.
@pw8741 supporting a movement and being a member aren't the same things. Im "religious" by some standards, i supporting death penalties and the Abolitionist Rising movement...but i will never be a member.
My dad, may he be resting peacefully, taught me when I was a young teen that when you’re wrong that you should admit it and stand corrected. He said it will be hard the first few times but it will happen manny times in your life and what makes you a better and smarter person is that you can accept it and admit it and if necessary, apologize and move on. What a wonderful lesson I learned and I’m grateful for it. Prime example of dads being super important in the upbringing of kids…. These kids know they’re wrong but can’t find the inner strength to admit it, which is why they keep changing and asking new irrelevant questions when a valid point is made. Shows how easily manipulated society is these days.
Thanks for the long form video! Love watching the full context of conversations (even though this one was cut short). You stand your ground so patiently and respectfully and I really appreciate that.
"My argument is flawd, therefore your argument is in bad faith." 🙄 Many problems of this world could be resolved if people could just admit thier errored logic. In other words, when they're wrong. It's so frustrating.
I’m losing brain cells. I wonder if they realize how ignorant they sound every time they open their mouth during this conversation. They talk themselves into a circle and go nowhere with their argument. Praise God Russ is so patient with them. The kids need to start over in grade school if you ask me 🤷♀️
I’m pregnant right now. There has been no force enacted on me by any 3rd party to help support my child. It’s all happened automatically and naturally. My body, of its own accord, has freely chosen to do all of the support - while my baby, of his own accord has done all the work necessary to grow himself. This “forced organ donation” thing just doesn’t work. There’s no force exerted on me at all - even if this wasn’t a “wanted” baby, there would still be zero force exerted upon me by anyone.
If they abolish abortion… the force would be there by the actual laws of the land. So that is where the “Force” comes in. Birth would be mandated. If you get pregnant in that world you are having that baby, kicking and screaming.
Answer me this. When you kill a woman who is pregnant why are you charged with double homicide if the child in the womb doesn't have rights until it is born?
Thank you so much for putting more long form videos out. These are great! Keep up the hard work. Everyone donate to them if you can so they can keep up this work. ❤
hypocrite: someone who accuses you of playing a semantic game while using as many dehumanizing words as possible to not take responsibility and own the agenda they argue for.
It’s always amazing how I can follow Russell’s logic with no problem but so many of these college students can’t. I think it’s because they’ve never actually had to think about it (or many other issues) in a logical manner. Like the part where she’s trying to explain why a mother using meth to kill a human fetus should be illegal but abortion shouldn’t…I mean that’s just ridiculous. An 8 year old could the inconsistency in the logic. A college student certainly should be able to, but it conflicts with their political beliefs so they can’t see the obvious logical conundrum. It’s almost unbelievable.
There's a saying: the most dangerous place that human beings will ever be is in their mother's womb (in places where abortion is legal). That's a crazy thought.
I praise you for your patience sir. Truly, we could all learn something from you, especially when we get into conversations with people who want to have a monologue rather a dialogue.
These kids were not expecting a debate with someone so educated in history, philosophy, and biology.
Funny that
Hopefully they can realize that they've been lied to with the abortion industry. They listen to evil capitalist instead of actual drs
True, but he needs to learn more about Jefferson.
You think that's educated? Just WOW
clearly more people agree with your comment than disagree 😀
Their entire argument is, "sir, plz don't use language correctly".
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In this country, it is illegal to destroy a sea turtle nest. It is illegal to even disturb a bald eagle nest whether there are eggs in it or not. Why? You are stopping the potential of life. Yet we have, as a country see no problem terminating the potential to life of a human.
I actually told a female coworker about 2 years ago that a man got jail for making scrambled eggs out of a endangered species turtle's eggs. And she replied, good.. So I said the reason was because he was destroying the potential of life. And I asked.. Why is it that we don't look at abortion in the same way? Isn't that a contradiction in logic and doesn't that show hypocrisy? And she replied that there's already too many humans. I told her that's sad and that those are innocent humans but that at least she was being honest and consistent.
@@Enuelle are there really too many humans, though? A total lack of rational thinking on your coworkers part.
Yeah because women are special. They are immune to commiting murder. Are you not aware?
A fetus or embryon isn’t a potential life. It’s a potential born human, a fetus or enbryo is already a life. Otherwise it wouldn’t grow, non-living organism don’t grow
Yes, Democrats are evil.
“If a mother knowingly harms her baby by smoking meth, she should be held responsible but if she pays someone else to harm her baby by chopping it up, it’s all good.” 😬
Wow. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry for this poor girl’s soul.
She keeps claiming he's "arguing in bad faith"
What she really means: what he said just destroyed my whole argument.
How's that? I don't see that at all.
@MarshallWalk3r its called gaslighting.
@@solomonheppner Russell is gaslighting? Yeah I guess.
@@MarshallllllllWalk3r are you actually disabled or just deliberately changing the contextual subject of the conversation?
@@MarshallllllllWalk3rthe irony
I hate the “it’s not a human, it’s a fetus” argument. How about “it’s not a human, it’s an infant” “it’s not a human, it’s a teenager” - fetus is a stage of development, not a different species
When they say that they're literally saying "it's not a human, it's a baby" because fetus means baby 😂
When I was a teenager I wasn’t human. Otherwise, I agree with your argument.
Actually I do agree that teenagers are not human. Especially genz teenagers. Have you seen those things?
If they were intelligent people with good arguments they wouldn’t be on the wrong side of this issue.
@@KGBosplease stop, some of us don’t like child sacrifice!!!
The mental gymnastics shes going through to justify her position is remarkable.
At one point she says the quiet part out loud and almost admits it’s murder and that it’s okay to murder babies in the womb. Once she realizes how wrong that sounds, she tries her hardest to justify it. I believe she’s actually smart enough to realize her politics are a religion and may one day change her mind. God willing.
@robe4314 Yeah hit the nail on the head. The irony of her entire religion point was pretty foul.
@robe4314 Notice how she said she doesn’t support it in the 3rd trimester and once he brings up the Ohio law she dismisses it, shuts her brain off and changes the subject.
@harleymann2086 That's not how human rights work, kid.
I used to be pro-abortion, so that I disagree she's doing any "mental gymnastics". The premise is that bodily autonomy rights are more important than the life of the pre-born human being, and the tiny embryo/fetus is not a "real" human being to begin with. This applies to the heroin thing too.
"the mothers body doesn't have a moral opposition to the child." This dude doesn't miss.
But it flew right over their heads or they would've stopped right then and there.
And they claim he is arguing in bath faith when they don't even listen to the arguments
Referring to the preborn child as a zygote, blastocyst, embryo, or fetus at different stages of development does nothing to lessen his or her humanity. Those are just ways of referring to age, no different from the terms infant, toddler, adolescent, or adult.
Life begins at conception.
Life starts at conception
Relevance starts at birth
@@michaellindenmuth9446 Not for mothers who miscarry or those excitedly preparing their homes for the new baby. But even if we imagined a world where no one spared a thought for pre-born humans, your line for "relevance" is arbitrary and could change with the caprices of the society. Why not set it at one year, give new parents a trial period? Or five years, you never know if that new job will work out and you might need to cut costs later. When you stop treating human life as inherently valuable and worth protecting, you lose the moral foundation to object to a wide variety of other evils.
@@rsvp87 some people do that… and they end up finding the child in a shallow grave in a wooded area near their house in a plastic garbage bag or in a dumpster behind the local 7-11.
That reality does exist.
Maybe if abortion was an option that far more horrific event would not have had to take place. When women are forced to be mothers they could grow to resent the baby they were supposed to have and grow hatred for it.
Who knows what could be. Truth be told if you force women to have babies those sickening trends could become a much more common reality. If coat hanger and vacuum abortions don’t become a common used practice again.
@@michaellindenmuth9446 A lesser evil is still evil, but I don't know if state-sponsored murder is the lesser evil in your scenario anyway. Protect babies from death by coat hangers and vacuum cleaners by instead subjecting them to death by scalpels and medical vaccums? Even worse, it's clouded with dehumanizing euphemisms so it's more insidious.
@@rsvp87 yeah pro-choice people should be more comfortable with saying it like it is. They know what they are doing and why. It is time to be less ashamed and just tell it to you straight so you can’t hide behind guilt.
Lesser of two evils. Again you aren’t exactly saintly by the way you treat these confused and desperate women. You aren’t exactly giving them a reason to believe there is a light at the end of this tunnel for them. All you do is try and install the fear of sin in them. That doesn’t work like you think it does. There is no comfort in that that will make a woman who is on the fence about this to choose life.
Comparing this to other evils too doesn’t hold water. I swear I said soon they are going to compare fetuses to victims of the holocaust on one of these and someone replied “I would too if I believed the Holocaust actually happened.” It was sad to see. You people seem to blurt the line the opposite direction of things and don’t put into account the lives of the women at all here. You don’t care about their feelings and their rationale of why it is a choice… because Abortion isn’t the disease it is a symptom of one. You want to stop abortion? Make like it was when abortion was at all time lows for people world wide. When there was prosperity and hope. All you are doing is frankly offering no hope, no compassion… just straight aggression towards them. “If you can’t afford a baby you shouldn’t have sex.” You blame these women for EVERYTHING.
I know you all laugh at shows like “13 reasons why”. Do you ever sit and think why pro-choice is a choice that some women have to make?
Imagine losing every argument due to facts and still not changing your mind. Pride is the culprit.
People very rarely have a change of heart in the heat of the moment. I think Russell knows his words are going to bounce around in there heads and force them to come to terms with their morals. However, a few more years of collage will just reinforce the rights begin at birth argument.
@@Rendelwood At least they will be able to spell "college" correctly
A desperate need to ease their guilty conscious.
@esbenm6544 your assumptions are extreme.
It might be guilt os the actual culprit
30:49 "if they survive its wrong, but if you kill them..."
"Its wrong either...no"
She almost got it.
She caught herself 😂 Give this one time. She’ll realise one day.
She said no because she realized her argument made no sense. But there's so much delusional that I doubt she'll ever come to the conclusion that her brain was trying to tell her
My biggest takeaway with Russ on this episode is "Hold on, I have a sign for that" 🤣🤣
Awesome
Amazing that people can appear intelligent and speak intelligibly and still be completely blind to how reason works.
I know. Religion is the opposite of reason.
@@MarshallllllllWalk3r 100+ comments on the channel of you just being a provocateur. You need help, my friend.
@@kamarwashington oh you think You're helping
@@MarshallllllllWalk3r if you thought the religious person in that debate was wrong, I will pray God unblinds your eyes to the truth.
@@MarshallllllllWalk3rWhat is abortion by definition?
What you’re doing is more than arguing with strangers. You’re planting seeds. You can see it in their expressions that they start thinking and could potentially change their mind on the subject. I appreciate your work sir. You speak truth.
Unfortunately they just retreat into their echo chambers and forget everything they heard.
13:28 “This is why these conversation just don’t work.”
Translation: If somebody doesn’t immediately submit to my incoherent beliefs, the conversation was not productive and I will passive-aggressively claim superiority both morally and intellectually despite there being no evidence to either.
I am not much of a religious man, but, Russell, your arguments and discussion have made me look at life a lot differently. You are a tactician when it comes to slicing an argument down to its core values. I appreciate you fighting for all lives and not just the ones those feel are worthy of life. As someone once said and I am paraphrasing: “it’s quite interesting those fighting for abortion to be legal are among already living”. It’s kind of a silly quote but after seeing the life my own child has now I could never imagine taking that from anyone.
Well said Jason, I agree.
I would call it more "profound" than "silly".
I encourage you sir, please look into who Jesus Christ is.
He is the way, truth, and life. No one comes to father but through him.
You and I are sinners and Jesus is not. He humbled Himself from the throne, coming down and not counting his deity something to be grasped. He died a death in a cross for people such as you and I. If you repent of your sins and place you faith in Jesus, He will wash away every wrong you have committed against the holy God, and adopt you into His kingdom.
God bless sir.
Christ is King! Definitely give him consideration. Changed my life. If you're more of a ration/logical/dogmatic (science based) thinker, checkout:
Dr. Jordan Petersons Biblical Series.
Absolutely fascinating. Good luck! Praise God!
Someone needs to show her that "fetus" simply means offspring. It isn't another species like she's trying to convince herself, it's simply a stage of development.
That said, as uneducated as their arguments are, I have to give them a little respect for them for having the backbone to have a discussion - much better than the college students that childishly stand in front of the cameras or yell obscenities as they're walking by.
The only way we're ever going to win this fight before Christ comes back is if we somehow break through that wall of extremely arrogant & wilful ignorance; we have to start pushing for better human development education in middle & high school, that would help tremendously.
Yeah, it's surprising that as knowledgeable as Russ is, he doesn't mention that as a fundamental counterpoint.
@@jesusislord2453 I often forget pretty obvious things in a face to face conversation but I was kind of surprised he didn't mention it, too. 🤷♀️
Yes agreed, I've seen a number of discussions where abolitionists and pro-lifers do not clarify the definition of fetus which is literally proving that its your human child... It's a solid teaching point but I realize sometimes people just forget when caught up in the moment.
Spot on. 'Fetus' is just latin for 'offspring'. Classic example of dehumanizing through language.
A well spoken wokendan is a dangerous human to the weak minded...
"he just doesnt fucking get it!", said the person who just doesnt fucking get it
She's in neuroscience and doesn't know what a human is. How is this possible?
@@TR13400she lying!
She’s arguing for personal liberty; but forgets that the fetus has different DNA. It’s not part of the mother’s body.
That blonde was being so willfully obtuse that I'm glad I don't know her. She would drive anyone crazy.
I know of a few people like this. They claim to be so intelligent but when you have a discussion with them they clearly ignore everything you say to talk past you and run a narrative, rather than actually discussing things you’ve said.
These people act like the baby crawled up into the woman's womb while she was sleeping and she Has no responsibility for how it got there.
She thinks babies are basically black market organ thieves
RIGHT! and then they always go for the r a p e argument which accounts for such a tiny percentage of abortions and then still say they would support it under any circumstances so I don’t understand
I’ve had these arguments. They argue based on the assumption that they will “getcha” because they think they’re smarter than you. When you have a fully developed, well-articulated response, it goes in a circle until they have to fully accept the only reason they are for abortion is because of selfish desire, the “no one can make me do what I don’t want to do” argument. It doesn’t work in other aspects of life, but this is their idol to unfettered selfishness.
I'm actually enjoying this conversation. At least it's a conversation.
Please Russell, more long-form content! I know the shorts are popping, but I love the longer conversation!
I’m only 7 minutes in but damn. I never heard an actual conversation about this topic for this long.
It almost seems like the difference between a conversation and an argument lies solely with each parties ability to listen and willingness to learn
But then I spoke to soon. 7 minutes later.. a new meaning of “pre-human” was coined
Great video. Very respectful group holding the emotions down to a civil level
The black girl was civil and rational, and it is refreshing to see a young person at least be willing to talk. We desperately need discourse today. The argument really boils down to what is a human. People are so offended when you step on the rights of a woman, all the while dismissing the rights of a child. A woman who kills a 2 month old child will go to jail for a very long time and be called a monster. Yet a woman who kills a 2nd or third trimester baby is called brave. Can they not see the hypocrisy? 😢😢
She thinks that all human beings should have autonomy over their own bodies and than goes to say abortion is ok! Cognitive dissonance or complete ignorance, it’s one or the other!
As a former pro-abortion, there's no dissonance. You think a fetus is not a legal human being. Maybe scientifically, but not legally or morally.
The maddest part about saying a fetus isn’t a human is the fact you have to hold this belief right up until the point the child comes out the birth canal after 9 months. 😂😂😂 It’s quite incredible how dumb the world is
I especially see her saying this when he interrupts her, but she fails to acknowledge that she will make a bunch of broad generalisations that actually need to be broken down. Because often, A leads to B which leads to C and so on.
@@olemew if someone destroyed the fetus against her will, or if she miscarriaged while wanting the child; then it becomes clear that a fetus is not an inanimate object. It's a human.
@@TR13400 from a pro abortion view, it can be animate, human, but not been granted individual rights (including to your body). As in, you're not really a protected human being if you are the size of a pinky and half your organs don't exist yet.
It all boils down to the fact that they want to have the pleasure but don't want the responsibility that comes with it
I hope these students rewatch this conversation and somehow miraculously see the gaping inconsistencies in their arguments. Appreciate how much this channel has challenged me. Keep it up!
What inconsistencies? They're much more logical than a religious argument.
@@MarshallllllllWalk3rI'd generally say when you have to move the goalpost of what counts as a human being, only to then say "weellllll, actually it doesn't matter" I think you can see some pretty wide open inconsistencies. 🤷
@@cronolink9 I don't think you've ever looked in a dictionary before.
@@MarshallllllllWalk3roh lookie a blind hater who's only boosting the exposure by interacting (commenting ad nauseum)
@@solomonheppner lol, "blind hater"
I'm so insightful and logical that I WANT to support this channel.
Failure is imminent. Your extremism represents single digit % of American voters.
Lying and insulting people isn't going to suddenly make them agree with you.
When your argument is their logic against them. Its supposedly in bad faith. My jaw dropped on so many points when they hear back their own argument and then disagree with it. Its mind blowing. People do not want to think for themselves anymore
The fact they can’t understand the concept of human rights is sad! They only show humanity dependent upon if the mother wants the baby!
Early childhood learning is important... since they were old enough to process language, they’ve heard “My Body, My Choice”, “Abortion is a Right”, etc.
They’ve Literally been conditioned to this philosophy.
In the end it will. She will determine if it sees the light of day or not.
Fetus, new born, toddler, child, teenager, young adult, adult, senior. ALL HUMAN!
“I’m an adult, so I’m not human”. That’s pretty much the fetus argument.
Thank you for educating people brother all glory to God
Its amazing how she really thinks she is teaching a grown man something new
The organ argument from the blonde, now who is arguing in bad faith? Lmao WILD
Her accusation is a confession.
She’s never argued her position
“In all debates, let truth be thy aim, not victory, or an unjust interest.”
--William Penn.
Yeah thats why most debates are pointless. All it takes is one uniust person, one liar, one disingenuous moment, and the debate is derailed and no one learns anything.
as you stated, I think most people certainly know it is a baby and still don't care. They are angry, have a hatred of acknowledgement of sin, and will stand with Satan to convince themselves that they are proponents of justice and altruism rather than murderous sinners.
I think your statement is accurate whether or not religion is true. after all abortion is mrder regardless of religion. they do not want to accept that it is mrder for their own selfish reasons even though it is self evident.
Someone has done a great job brainwashing these kids.....
@@jmailmonopolis6296 I believe in God not religion. That said, you made a great point.👍🙏
@@jmailmonopolis6296 well said.
@@vanessamoore5243what God? Religion comes with that. Don't let the world demean that word
This guy is spot on! One of the strongest arguments is the inconsistency of the law. The law recognizes the baby in the womb when the mom WANTS IS, but does not recognize the baby in the womb when the mom DOESN'T WANT IT. Therefore, the value of the baby DOES NOT (by law) come from God...but ONLY from the mom. Bye, as I have a fetus shower to go to.
6:45 She doesn't understand that these personal liberties have to come from somewhere. Your government doesn't give you rights. No human can do that. You have personal liberty, yes, but not to kill people. These are the same people that don't want you to have the right to defend yourself.
"Remember that even when those who move you be Kings, or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone, when you stand before God, you cannot say,"But I was told by others to do thus." Or that, "Virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice"-- "King" of Jerusalem.
The black girl is so close! Shes smart enough to understand the error in her argument but too indoctrinated to break through...
The hole idea that you can't have an opinion about abortion if it includes a religious or political context is nearly impossible.
Please proofread
Well it is a moral(religious) problem first, then it becomes a political problem.
What the black chick fails to realize is her argument is just as much a religious argument as Russell's, she just hasn't thought it out to its logical end. She thinks she is the 'neutral' ground and her position is more valid because of that, which is just a myth that you can be neutral at all.
@@MarshallllllllWalk3rplease go away
@@MarshallllllllWalk3rso you think because someone wants to have sex because they desire it and fully well know a child will be born it’s okay to murder that child because why you can’t keep it in your pants?
2 questions I wanna ask people that claim that a fetus is not a life…. 1. Are they willing to tell women that had miscarriages not to mourn because it wasnt a life? 2. Should all criminals convicted of double murder for killing a pregnant woman be repealed and have there sentences and charges reversed to just 1 homicide?
The conversations truly prove God right in his statement that "he[the devil] has blinded the minds so of non believers"
Black girl is condemning Christian for pushing his religion on her.
Doesn't realize she's pushing her atheism on him.
Underrated point
It's not a human, it's an adult.
Same argument as "It's not a human, it's a fetus."
Great way of putting it, a fetus is just a stage of human life.
I’ve never heard a pregnant woman that planned to carry full term say they were carrying a fetus or parasite. They always reference the baby or child. Amazing how we can so conveniently change our opinions or skew the truth to justify our actions and/or soothe our conscience. Consider that perhaps the woman’s womb is God’s NICU. Hope God blesses you with great success in spreading the truth. Peace.
It is scary how we can change our opinions, especially with matters pertaining to life.
Politics is life. Murder is evil. Abortion is murder.
Politics is now anti life, frankly.
@emigs8712 so you advocate for censorship?
@@emigs8712 TY. I apologize for my assumption. I understand because many of my comments are deleted or not posted because of my religious beliefs or views. Keep on fighting for God kingdom. Pray for me. God bless
He had undone the arguments of the "science major" at 27:47. Well done very well done indeed.
You can’t be for abortion rights and human rights because abortion requires the mistreatment of human beings. My mind just unlocked a new level.
That sounds good until you ask who has priority rights when a human is inside another human? Or, who has controlling rights of a pregnant woman's womb? The fetus? The government? The woman?
@@mondobear22 and your answer is?
@@richmondpennokee I'm not a fan of governments having any controlling rights over anyone's body or the idea of devaluing women to lesser status than a non-sentient, non-viable human.
@@mondobear22 I'm quite curious. In which ways is a woman 'devalued' to being lesser than their child other than the fact that they have to take care of them? What difference does that make when the baby is born and they still have to take care of them? The child is still 'non-sentient' and 'non-viable' yet the mother, by law now *has* to take care of them. I suppose the only difference is location, which is arbitrary.
@@Cklert A fetus becomes sentient, at some level, at around 16 weeks. A fetus becomes viable during the 3rd trimester. Viable, in the context of abortion means precisely uterus dependent.
The fetus rights movement goal isn't aimed at taking body autonomy rights from pregnant women. More specifically, the goal is to shift controlling rights of pregnant women's wombs to the government.
The confidence and yet astonishing ignorance of these college students is just baffling. Not only should we abolish all abortions, but we should teach young women and men the responsible values of human life and intimacy within a marriage only with a trusted committed spouse.
We need God back in this nation.
Zoomer gang took a huge L for this one 😂 it’s the lack of critical thinking for me
Fantastic exchange. I always learn something watching these conversations. Thanks for posting this!
That part of the conversation where you pointed out the fact that she believes it’s ok to kill an unborn baby but not to hurt it was absolute Gold. I may use that one.
The *blonde devil* on her shoulder _(outfit and all)_ is trying to keep her from exploring ideas. Russell is the angel 😇
These otherwise friendly young people are holding fast to an unreasonable position by exercising their wills instead of their minds.
They’ve been indoctrinated, programmed, and its incredibly sad.
They just don’t want to connect the obvious dots because it goes against their ideology.
Yeah, they're against slavery.
@@MarshallllllllWalk3r and for the murder of babies unfortunately 🤷🏻♂️
@@aarongreenyt Abortion isn't murder. The unborn aren't babies.
These are two facts that abolitionists will never ever ever accept. Their entire existence is based on a chorus of lies.
It's a communicable disease amongst the radical right.
Maybe they'll think about it some more when they aren't busy trying to win an argument on the street.
Same as that guy with 10 abortion is murder signs.
I constantly hear the argument of women not wanting to consent to pregnancy. The argument that the mother is the victim of pregnancy, making the child the perpetrator boggels me.
The discussion of how one gets pregnant is talked about so little unless it’s about rape. The consent to pregnancy is when you consent to sex.
Sex is how women get pregnant if you don’t want to get pregnant then don’t have sex. How did we completely skip the HOW conception happened.
A lot of people seem to think pregnancy is just something that happens to you.
Spot on, and excellently stated
I’m always so excited for this. I’m working up the courage to find some friends and do this at my towns version of art walk. Thank you for the example you set for the kingdom!
Pray brothers and sisters. Time to wake up.
This channel has taught me a lot
Turned me into an abolitionist. To be fair I was "pro-life" so wasn't much of a leap.
@@TerryKristopher3707huge leap, friend! Welcome to the family!! God bless.
@@TerryKristopher3707 It really is a big leap tho
@@TerryKristopher3707You're very easily manipulated.
@@MarshallllllllWalk3rinto facts
Y’all read my mind… I was wondering if y’all were maybe going to post the entire interview. The young lady that looked like she wasn’t wearing anything but a black coat 😱😲🥴 seemed very intelligent. I just don’t know if she heard herself when she was talking about the mother who should be held responsible if she KNOWINGLY took drugs and abused her body so that her fetus, died. Well… ummmm… isn’t it kind of the same concept with a woman KNOWINGLY going into an abortion clinic?!?! She knows the baby is going to die!!!! It’s as if they are standing with their fingers in their ears refusing to listen! HATS OFF to the production crew that put this video together and thank you!!! And also thank you to Russell for showing that it’s possible to keep it civil.
TY for your comment. I had an abortion 26 years ago. I went into that clinic not really understanding what happened during an abortion. I recieved 0 counseling. I my mind I knew that it was a life but I pushed that to the back of my mind. However, when I later learned what happened during an abortion I fell apart. I had no idea that they tore my baby apart & that God was the only one that could hear him/her scream. If I'd have had a prolifer outside of that clinic that morning. I wouldn't have won't through with it. I still struggle with that sin even though I know that God has forgiven me. That's why I am now an abolishionist. God bless
Fetus means OFFSPRING
My twin boys were born at 24 weeks and 3 days. The fact that people argue abortion after that I watched them fight and survive without seeing a third trimester. Human from conception. Miracles from God. End of discussion. Bloody miracles. They spent 6 months in the nicu one has a tracheostomy, he at 17 months requires more help than full term babies at birth. He still laughs and tickles and plays because he is his own person. I watched my mum go into a wheelchair for years and then walk again and that chair has dust on it now. Ones ability to physically help themselves doesn’t qualify another for murder.
Speak up about your experience and view as often as you are able!
This group is a peaceful rock of intelligence and common sense. Love AR.
She’s standing there arguing about abortion and no one is going to tell her she forgot her pants. 😳
Euphemism is their greatest strength 😕
The blonde is so arrogant
Thank u for posting the longer convos! Helps!!
I've learned so much from you, Russ. Keep in pressing the agenda, you do it well.
"This is why these conversations dont work." Translates to "people like me dont like these conversations because we dont want to think our opinion through or we have and we dont like being confronted with the truth... its murder."
"Let's separete wrong from law." Now that's a dangerous statement
*Rephrases her argument to reveal the truth she's avoiding
Her: "B a D f A i T h !"
Russell does it again, bravo. Can you be involved with Abolitionist Rising without being religious?
Absolutely. You can be a marxist humanist and support the belief that living is a human right.
Of course. However the grounding for why you believe what you believe is more arbitrary without an ultimate. But even if you reject the author, the law is still written on your heart and you can embrace it.
yes all moral humans seem to be welcome but im sure you will be more interested in jesus the longer you watch videos. I certainly wasnt a christian over a year ago but have been going to church and trying to see life through the moral lense of jesus.
You can support abolition as a secularist, yes, but you cannot BE an abolitionist because one of the five tenets of abolition is being Gospel Centered.
@pw8741 supporting a movement and being a member aren't the same things.
Im "religious" by some standards, i supporting death penalties and the Abolitionist Rising movement...but i will never be a member.
Holding people to their logic really upsets them.
Only when their "logic" exposes itself as illogical.
They can't defend a political or religious statement....
Uhm I think your comment is in bad faith 🙃😂
@@billyb4790 Um, except it's not.
@mowgli-sz9zu According to those 3 brainwashed people everything is in bad faith lol if ypu don't agree with them anyways
"Adding the word 'human' before it does not make it human" 😂😂😂
I'm fucking scared that she's in neurology.
Sadly, she's probably affirmative action.
These videos continually provide evidence that my kids should not go to college. “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.”
cope👶
Definitely the case with many colleges. There are still some great ones out there, I had the blessing of going to a great college (BYU)
Can't argue with delusional..
I know. Abolitionists just can't listen to facts.
This is one of the best debates yet. Definitely use this one for promoting the channel.
When u start to lose an argument u results to personal attacks
My dad, may he be resting peacefully, taught me when I was a young teen that when you’re wrong that you should admit it and stand corrected. He said it will be hard the first few times but it will happen manny times in your life and what makes you a better and smarter person is that you can accept it and admit it and if necessary, apologize and move on. What a wonderful lesson I learned and I’m grateful for it. Prime example of dads being super important in the upbringing of kids…. These kids know they’re wrong but can’t find the inner strength to admit it, which is why they keep changing and asking new irrelevant questions when a valid point is made. Shows how easily manipulated society is these days.
there's your real objection, no afterlife if it's just another medical procedure
Dang they were skipping over with a bullhorn lol wtf
Thanks for the long form video! Love watching the full context of conversations (even though this one was cut short). You stand your ground so patiently and respectfully and I really appreciate that.
New movie idea: What is a pregnancy? These people clearly need to be educated
Somebody call Matt Walsh
"My argument is flawd, therefore your argument is in bad faith." 🙄 Many problems of this world could be resolved if people could just admit thier errored logic. In other words, when they're wrong. It's so frustrating.
I’m losing brain cells. I wonder if they realize how ignorant they sound every time they open their mouth during this conversation. They talk themselves into a circle and go nowhere with their argument. Praise God Russ is so patient with them. The kids need to start over in grade school if you ask me 🤷♀️
Pray they find this video and watch it back through.
@@IJPhiloponus praying 🙏
I love the “whenever you call out the contradictions in my philosophy regarding the value of human life, you are arguing in bad faith” attitude.
I’m pregnant right now. There has been no force enacted on me by any 3rd party to help support my child. It’s all happened automatically and naturally. My body, of its own accord, has freely chosen to do all of the support - while my baby, of his own accord has done all the work necessary to grow himself.
This “forced organ donation” thing just doesn’t work. There’s no force exerted on me at all - even if this wasn’t a “wanted” baby, there would still be zero force exerted upon me by anyone.
Congratulations, children are always a blessing.
If they abolish abortion… the force would be there by the actual laws of the land. So that is where the “Force” comes in. Birth would be mandated. If you get pregnant in that world you are having that baby, kicking and screaming.
Same here! Praying you have a safe and healthy pregnancy, labor, and birth! ❤
@@michaellindenmuth9446 In normal worlds, Pregnant women birth babies.💡
In abnormal worlds, they pay someone to kill and remove their own unborn baby.
good? I mean the baby has the right to live just like any other human.@@michaellindenmuth9446
Answer me this. When you kill a woman who is pregnant why are you charged with double homicide if the child in the womb doesn't have rights until it is born?
Thank you so much for putting more long form videos out. These are great! Keep up the hard work. Everyone donate to them if you can so they can keep up this work. ❤
What the actual F, a 3 year old child can't live without their parents.
Funny how he uses their argument against them , yet they deny it every time
hypocrite: someone who accuses you of playing a semantic game while using as many dehumanizing words as possible to not take responsibility and own the agenda they argue for.
God Bless you Russel!!! You and your people are Heroes.
She was guilty of every accusation she levied against his argumentation.
It’s always amazing how I can follow Russell’s logic with no problem but so many of these college students can’t. I think it’s because they’ve never actually had to think about it (or many other issues) in a logical manner.
Like the part where she’s trying to explain why a mother using meth to kill a human fetus should be illegal but abortion shouldn’t…I mean that’s just ridiculous. An 8 year old could the inconsistency in the logic. A college student certainly should be able to, but it conflicts with their political beliefs so they can’t see the obvious logical conundrum. It’s almost unbelievable.
They have ears but they cannot hear.
There's a saying: the most dangerous place that human beings will ever be is in their mother's womb (in places where abortion is legal). That's a crazy thought.
Yessss. So excited for a new video! I think I've watched all of these videos so far.
I praise you for your patience sir. Truly, we could all learn something from you, especially when we get into conversations with people who want to have a monologue rather a dialogue.