Agree on the extremely short range and possible hit detection. Katars are so much fun if you can connect with them and so frustrating to play well and then miss every swing. If they somehow make it easier to tell if you are in range without changing much else, they will be a blast. I could see them making the range longer and it accidentally making them too powerful though.
Yeah using the katars is definitely a mixture of fun and frustration :D I agree making the range longer could have a big impact on the performance of the weapon. They have to be really careful with the adjustments but in my opinion it is guaranteed that the katars will get a rather big buff with the next update.
Honestly even if they are obviously underpowered, I love that they added fist weapons to the game and I adore using them. Managing a 1vx even just like once feels great even if it is rare. The hitreg is definitely one of the worst problems though on top of the no interrupts.
A somewhat "reliable" combo I found with katars is normal attack into special attack. The normal attack baits the enemies into doing a riposte and the special hits them before they can hit you because of the katars speed. I say somewhat reliable because the katars have less than ideal range and hitreg.
If the chase mechanic worked as it should, then the range wouldn't be so bad of an issue, it's on a class meant to hound weakened or unaware foes, and yet they can mostly outrun you?
My only thing with Khatar's as someone who's mainly played them for a few days: They're a GREAT 1v1 weapon, but a rapier is much better if you have more than 1 opponent. Khatar's strength is the special attack. The second hit on block hits them. You win by battle of attrition if you counter well. It's a VERY good aggressive weapon too if followed up after your main attack or randomly putting out. Otherwise, suggest using a different weapon if you expect more than 1 enemy.
Its listed under "other" and is called champion axeman. But my guess is that the devs didnt mean to release this armor yet because they didnt talk about it in the patch notes and it is really bugged atm since most players cant equip it for some reason
Katars are extremely bad. I've noticed too many issues - the range is so bad you can barely hit someone you're in kissing distance of. - With this bad range, also comes an extreme aiming difficulty. It is almost impossible to accurately attack with these things, the damage release phase is too short. And being too close makes it actually really easy to miss. - The total lack of defense makes you too vulnerable. 1 enemy alone is tough but 2 is a guaranteed L. You cannot protect yourself in the slightest. - Damage is pathetic. I literally lost to a guy using his fists because he was able to hit, I wasn't, and the few times I did my damage was so negligible. Absolutely zero reason to use these over daggers. Their speed serves no purpose except getting you killed faster.
Thanks for watching and your comment! I agree, there is not a single reason you should use katars over daggers if you want to do well as ambusher. I'm pretty sure that the katars will be buffed with the next update since the devs are collecting data on weapon performance etc. It should be clearly visible for them that the katars need a rather big buff.
I can never land a hit with these since it's all tiny hitbox stabs. They're cool and can definitely be super deadly if used in the right hands but in general they're pretty low tier
I'd like to point out the strength of special. Since it has 2 hits, meaning you could regenerate with those 2 hits. Also, about fast combo, it's a good thing, but the issue is some of weapon could riposte your combo. For example, you normal-atk someone, he riposte, you special them, they can riposte your special because the window of your first atk to special is very short. It's mind blowing that fast combo isn't always a good thing.
You're right! The fast atk speed can actually be a weakness of the weapon aswell which seems really counterintuitive :D Thanks for watching and commenting! You made a really good point which I think many people haven't noticed or thought about yet.
Stagger on hit is such a core mechanic in this game you start at such a disadvantage with these. They also dont fit the ambusher class which relies on the harrassment and utility of the throwing knives. I would love throwing axes or some sort of hidden blade for extra backstab damage for ambusher tho. Maybe smoke bombs.
Definitely under powered. But I love coming in from the side/behind and destroying people like a meat grinder. I appreciate the creativity of the new weapon, i just hope the next addition is a little more viable.
Pretty much every player you came up behind in this video I just kept thinking "man if only he was on raider or officer he could've killed them faster/easier (or at all to begin with)". As a class with this many weaknesses its strengths should be emphasized (aka killing people from behind) not weaker than other classes. Very disappointing stuff. Neat design, though.
Exactly! 😁 Even using the dagger wouldve been so much better in most cases since its special attack hits for 150dmg from behind... I really dont see a point in using the katars instead of the dagger at the moment if you want to perform well. Nonetheless the katars are still fun to use although they feel really underpowered. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Its just a meme gimmick weapon more then anything, I agree, not really good weapon, albeit can be fun. I dont know why they waste time and resources with weapon like these when the game has more serious things to fix. They could have fixed the no helmet bug, but nah. Lets waste time with a weapon very few players will ever use.
My theory is that TB released an underpowered weapon simultaneously to the game pass launch so the newbies don't get destroyed by the high lvl players since every one of them wants to try out the katars for a while :D
The worst part? It's not even a good time to test Katars... so many single digit level plebs on consoles suddenly muddying the experience pool. It's like murdering puppies out there man...
The headbutt us absolute garbage, it's extremely slow and has no range and only does 5 extra damage compared to a regular jab. The Katars themselves have horrible hit detection and has an extremely weak special attack that does a max damage of 40 or 20 damage if you get chucked enough to not hit with second katar. The special attacks should take less stamina and keep the coold down it has or it should lessen the cool down and keep the current stamina drain. There is no active riposte or parry with them from what I could tell and the counter window is absolute shit. I also think the initial stab attack for the katar is extremely slow but the combo speeds are good. I hate the fact that the horizontal attack isnt a slash but another stab. I believe it is an extremely wasted for potential mixups and would help combat the hit detection issues it currently has. Any above average player would absolutely destroy 9 times out of 10 with a 1 hander or faster 2 hander and will easily put stam you becuase of the trash counter window and the increased stam damageon blocks. The katars are way to weak in my opinion and I hope they get rebalanced in the future. I understand that the katars in general would be hard to balance but as it stands currently they are very weak. I use them for an extreme challenge and handicap. The new update has made the game extremely laggy and the new map for FFA is very forced, in the same way brawl was. I hate the fact FFA is still not in the play menu and instead horse warfare is continued to be forced and takes up a large chunk of the play menu. The katars are just fun for a different playstyle and challenge. Survivability with them is dogcheese. It would be nice if they made the katars a secondary instead of primary for the ambusher class. Also a bug I've noticed is if you get your sec9ndary weapon knocked out of your hands and your character pulls out the katars the game doesn't register them and you'll be fist fighting till you die. Shit ton of other bugs I've noticed but that's the one pertaining to the katars..
I commented before I watched the video I'm glad someone else has the same opinions on the weapon and that other players have been experiencing the same issues. Very valid point with the throwing knives as I completely forgot about hiw much of a con that is.
This game is such dogshit lol team mates hit you more than they hit the enemy. Only fun I had was in the 1v1s and even that was sloppy asf. If they would have put like 1 or 2 more years worth of work in to the game it would probably be awesome.
Agree on the extremely short range and possible hit detection. Katars are so much fun if you can connect with them and so frustrating to play well and then miss every swing. If they somehow make it easier to tell if you are in range without changing much else, they will be a blast. I could see them making the range longer and it accidentally making them too powerful though.
Yeah using the katars is definitely a mixture of fun and frustration :D
I agree making the range longer could have a big impact on the performance of the weapon. They have to be really careful with the adjustments but in my opinion it is guaranteed that the katars will get a rather big buff with the next update.
Honestly even if they are obviously underpowered, I love that they added fist weapons to the game and I adore using them. Managing a 1vx even just like once feels great even if it is rare. The hitreg is definitely one of the worst problems though on top of the no interrupts.
I also love that they finally added fist weapons and also the first dual wield weapon! Maybe the next update will make them a little bit better ;)
A somewhat "reliable" combo I found with katars is normal attack into special attack. The normal attack baits the enemies into doing a riposte and the special hits them before they can hit you because of the katars speed. I say somewhat reliable because the katars have less than ideal range and hitreg.
0:50 had a great laugh seeing how he did 360 block in shock 😂😂😂
the katars are so fast you can hit someones block and then hit their active parry from that riposte with your 2nd swing
Good point! Yeah this shows just how insane the ATK speed is
And the fact that your special comes out very fast and does 15 damage if they block it is nice too
blocking with them is also a big issue or its just the bad server performance on pc since the update...
If the chase mechanic worked as it should, then the range wouldn't be so bad of an issue, it's on a class meant to hound weakened or unaware foes, and yet they can mostly outrun you?
That's definitely true. Good point!
Not being able to use throwing knives really compounds the issue of short range too.
@@Starwars-Fanboy
That's why dagger is on second so you can switch quick
But then again why switch back
@@dizzyheads
I'm better off with my dagger n hatchet combo
My only thing with Khatar's as someone who's mainly played them for a few days: They're a GREAT 1v1 weapon, but a rapier is much better if you have more than 1 opponent.
Khatar's strength is the special attack. The second hit on block hits them. You win by battle of attrition if you counter well. It's a VERY good aggressive weapon too if followed up after your main attack or randomly putting out. Otherwise, suggest using a different weapon if you expect more than 1 enemy.
The sprint/leap attack damage should really be between 60-100 to put it on a par with all other weapons.
Exactly! It should be AT LEAST 60 dmg
What was that mason vanguard armor in the video?
Its listed under "other" and is called champion axeman. But my guess is that the devs didnt mean to release this armor yet because they didnt talk about it in the patch notes and it is really bugged atm since most players cant equip it for some reason
@@xylar9630 looks really damn good.
Katars are extremely bad. I've noticed too many issues
- the range is so bad you can barely hit someone you're in kissing distance of.
- With this bad range, also comes an extreme aiming difficulty. It is almost impossible to accurately attack with these things, the damage release phase is too short. And being too close makes it actually really easy to miss.
- The total lack of defense makes you too vulnerable. 1 enemy alone is tough but 2 is a guaranteed L. You cannot protect yourself in the slightest.
- Damage is pathetic. I literally lost to a guy using his fists because he was able to hit, I wasn't, and the few times I did my damage was so negligible.
Absolutely zero reason to use these over daggers. Their speed serves no purpose except getting you killed faster.
Thanks for watching and your comment! I agree, there is not a single reason you should use katars over daggers if you want to do well as ambusher. I'm pretty sure that the katars will be buffed with the next update since the devs are collecting data on weapon performance etc. It should be clearly visible for them that the katars need a rather big buff.
It's really sad they made such a cool weapon, be so very bad, on a class that is already spoiled for bad weapons/design.
I can never land a hit with these since it's all tiny hitbox stabs. They're cool and can definitely be super deadly if used in the right hands but in general they're pretty low tier
I agree!
I'd like to point out the strength of special. Since it has 2 hits, meaning you could regenerate with those 2 hits.
Also, about fast combo, it's a good thing, but the issue is some of weapon could riposte your combo. For example, you normal-atk someone, he riposte, you special them, they can riposte your special because the window of your first atk to special is very short. It's mind blowing that fast combo isn't always a good thing.
You're right! The fast atk speed can actually be a weakness of the weapon aswell which seems really counterintuitive :D
Thanks for watching and commenting! You made a really good point which I think many people haven't noticed or thought about yet.
Special also interrupts and is faster than most attacks
And it does chip damage if you hit on block
i really want duel wield axes or swords in the future or one of each
Damn that would be amazing! Especially duel wielding axes would be so much fun!
Stagger on hit is such a core mechanic in this game you start at such a disadvantage with these. They also dont fit the ambusher class which relies on the harrassment and utility of the throwing knives. I would love throwing axes or some sort of hidden blade for extra backstab damage for ambusher tho. Maybe smoke bombs.
Being a dual-wield weapon you also aren't able to pick up things in your left hand such as torches for objectives.
Good point!
How do you get the katars
The ambusher subclass of the vanguard has the katars. And you can get the skin that i use in the customization shop
@@xylar9630 thank you
Definitely under powered. But I love coming in from the side/behind and destroying people like a meat grinder. I appreciate the creativity of the new weapon, i just hope the next addition is a little more viable.
Pretty much every player you came up behind in this video I just kept thinking "man if only he was on raider or officer he could've killed them faster/easier (or at all to begin with)". As a class with this many weaknesses its strengths should be emphasized (aka killing people from behind) not weaker than other classes. Very disappointing stuff. Neat design, though.
Exactly! 😁 Even using the dagger wouldve been so much better in most cases since its special attack hits for 150dmg from behind... I really dont see a point in using the katars instead of the dagger at the moment if you want to perform well. Nonetheless the katars are still fun to use although they feel really underpowered. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Its just a meme gimmick weapon more then anything, I agree, not really good weapon, albeit can be fun.
I dont know why they waste time and resources with weapon like these when the game has more serious things to fix. They could have fixed the no helmet bug, but nah. Lets waste time with a weapon very few players will ever use.
My theory is that TB released an underpowered weapon simultaneously to the game pass launch so the newbies don't get destroyed by the high lvl players since every one of them wants to try out the katars for a while :D
@@xylar9630 very good theory didn't even think about it like that cause that has been the case utilizing the weapon
@@xylar9630 Maybe, but even then, they failed, because not a lot of players use it, so they will just get smacked around by the more META weapons
good video helped me put them down
Thank you! My next video will be a guide on the katars! I found out how to use them quite effectively now
Imagine not having all these xbox noobs. Recording footage for the video would be so much harder xD
That's definitely true :D
The worst part? It's not even a good time to test Katars... so many single digit level plebs on consoles suddenly muddying the experience pool. It's like murdering puppies out there man...
I find it really hard to go against Katars
The headbutt us absolute garbage, it's extremely slow and has no range and only does 5 extra damage compared to a regular jab. The Katars themselves have horrible hit detection and has an extremely weak special attack that does a max damage of 40 or 20 damage if you get chucked enough to not hit with second katar. The special attacks should take less stamina and keep the coold down it has or it should lessen the cool down and keep the current stamina drain. There is no active riposte or parry with them from what I could tell and the counter window is absolute shit. I also think the initial stab attack for the katar is extremely slow but the combo speeds are good. I hate the fact that the horizontal attack isnt a slash but another stab. I believe it is an extremely wasted for potential mixups and would help combat the hit detection issues it currently has. Any above average player would absolutely destroy 9 times out of 10 with a 1 hander or faster 2 hander and will easily put stam you becuase of the trash counter window and the increased stam damageon blocks. The katars are way to weak in my opinion and I hope they get rebalanced in the future. I understand that the katars in general would be hard to balance but as it stands currently they are very weak. I use them for an extreme challenge and handicap. The new update has made the game extremely laggy and the new map for FFA is very forced, in the same way brawl was. I hate the fact FFA is still not in the play menu and instead horse warfare is continued to be forced and takes up a large chunk of the play menu. The katars are just fun for a different playstyle and challenge. Survivability with them is dogcheese. It would be nice if they made the katars a secondary instead of primary for the ambusher class. Also a bug I've noticed is if you get your sec9ndary weapon knocked out of your hands and your character pulls out the katars the game doesn't register them and you'll be fist fighting till you die. Shit ton of other bugs I've noticed but that's the one pertaining to the katars..
I commented before I watched the video I'm glad someone else has the same opinions on the weapon and that other players have been experiencing the same issues. Very valid point with the throwing knives as I completely forgot about hiw much of a con that is.
Yeah its a BIG con in comparison to the other weapons which the ambusher has
Katars are in an ok spot might need a buff
I got so excited for this weapon…..only to be severely disappointed
give ambusher katars!!
Wolverine XD
Tu est un cheater , depuis que la maj est sortie il est impossible de débloquer le skin que tu arbore sur les katars aussi vite !
Tu peux débloquer le skin avec argent réel en lvl 1...
@@xylar9630 c'est vrai j'avais oublié les micro transactions 🤦🤦
Tiger man lol
Bag…low dam and can’t stop when u hitting
Katars are great against noobs but vets will run your pockets.
This game is such dogshit lol team mates hit you more than they hit the enemy. Only fun I had was in the 1v1s and even that was sloppy asf. If they would have put like 1 or 2 more years worth of work in to the game it would probably be awesome.
Playing vr has made this game bland now.