Blood hunter is pretty cool in my opinion, it’s just lacking because Matt was too afraid of Matt making it OP. The thing with Molly is that he didn’t know about how he got his powers because of amnesia and his subclass (ghost slayer) was the champion fighter or hunter ranger, just making him more of a blood hunter. The lycan is the best werewolf transformation in d&d, surpassing beast barbarian in how much it delivers in the werewolf fantasy. The profane soul is the first 1/3 warlock to match eldritch knight and arcane trickster, also allowing anyone who gets to that level to use eldritch blast and other warlock stuff with INT or WIS, enabling SO MANY cool multiclasses. And the mutagen allows you to go beyond 20 in any stat if you accept the drawback. As for why it’s not a fighter subclass, why isn’t the ranger? The ranger is similar to blood hunter as it could be a fighter subclass but isn’t because it’s identity as being connected to nature is too integral to be a subclass, and there’s so many ways to do a ranger and so many different facets on nature you can tie to. A blood hunter is different from a fighter as it bargains and sacrifices for power, and they are transformed by the monstrous source they take power from, which defines their subclasses. While it may sound similar to warlocks who make a bargain, blood hunters differ from warlocks in the way they GET their power and what it means for them. Warlocks are given their power by their patron and when they cast their patrons magic is channeled through them. Blood hunters sacrifice their vitality to create a different kind of magic and integrate their monstrous power as a part of their very being. And so their bargain and sacrifice is thus as important to the blood hunter as rage to a barbarian, divinity to a paladin, nature to a ranger, and martial arts for the monk, because under your thoughts all of those classes could be fighter subclasses. And maybe they could be but, they ALL do better as classes. Also blood magic is cool, TLDR: the theme behind the blood hunter is becoming one with monstrous energy and sacrificing vitality for power, and this concept is as makes them different from fighters as much as nature makes ranger different from a fighter
he had a subclass for about 3 sessions one of which was like rp and shopping when he died, most characters subclasses are not very distinctive at that point. infact many classes just don't have very memorable subclasses especially in play, aside from the hex blade all warlocks play pretty much the same and use the same few spells.
@@valwenventureco9285 They really don't, they've got plenty of good options and something like goolock is heavily reliant on it's great expanded spell list
It was kinda BS tho. Look back at that fight and rewatch it. They were like 3 people going up against like 5-6 people of equal level. Half of their team was gone. it was a fight that never should have happened. They even had the element of surprise and only managed to barely kill 1.
@@Tsuusetsuwhy shouldn't it have happened? It was long time ago so i don't remember the details all that well but didn't they literally capture their party members or something? Should the rest of the party just sit on their ass or what. They had more people so more action economy and finally their boss was a frickin Oni or something, which is not bs it's world building to show that not everything plays at your level. Also suprise is not actually that great of a tool, like it can help but unless you can actually drop enemies during the suprise round it does not really decide anything. Then take also into account that the Bloodhunter class was and arguably still is very weak class whose main mechanics include doing damage to yourself for very small benefits.
I swear, I’ve read the Bloodhunter features so many times and I still can’t freaking grasp what the heck it wants to be. It’s like the Silence from Doctor Who, as in I completely forget about it when I look away for even a second.
ah, you found out. yes, the Blood Hunter does indeed have limited anti-memetic properties, people can remember that it exists, but they can barely remember anything else about it when not actively observing it.
For the order of the mutant blood hunter, the brand of castigation need to be condensed so badly. There's like several paragraphs of what the basic brand does, and then what the brand of Axom does.
What makes the blood hunter different than the fighter is about making sacrifices. Most obviously is your health for abilities by way of blood magic, but the less hidden and more important is sacrificing humanity to become something else, and that something else determines your subclass. Making a deal with a patron, becoming a lycanthrope, experimenting on yourself with alchemy. It honestly has a lot of potential the only problem is that it’s abilities are lacking and restricted because Matt Mercer was too afraid of making the blood hunter op. Also order of the lycan is hands down the best class and subclass combo to be a werewolf in d&d, showing the blood hunters potential.
@@Obsi399Even then, the Lycan struggles to be OP. It has anti-synergies if you try to build for either DEX or STR. It generally works better for DEX builds since fewer "features" are shut off, relying on your damage bonuses to help you somewhat keep up with other builds. The MADness in general also hurts when it comes to feeling like you have enough versatility to justify your lack of full specialization.
I feel like Bloodhunter thrives heavily on how the DM allows it to be unique. One of my players chose the Mutagen subclass/Assassination rogue and it was a pretty fun character to see. He still loves em. But I had to do some extra work to make the levels more impactful.
when i played blood hunter i misinterpreted the profane soul subclass and took 2 warlock patron as it was written, I made the DM's neigh impossible boss (that apparently has the able to manipulate molecules to his will) and destroyed it making them super bitter about it for weeks on end
Tbh my friend plays it as if youre part of a Chronicles of Darkness conspiracy, youre monster hunters who are slowly becoming monsters (bar ghosthunter given its just an 'enhanced bloodhunter' subclass)
For my campaign I had a player who was a dragon born barbarian. She was turned into a werewolf after an encounter she was supposed to die from (this was the first in a long line of "how did you live?" Events). She became a lycan blood hunter as it fit better with the situation. That character being a blood hunter was honestly one of the coolest parts of the campaign as the transition was so natural. And while she kept barbarian habits she also leaned heavy into keeping the beast contained, and even completely changed her alignment, it made for a really cool character who sadly died at the end of the campaign.
Order of the lycan is a pretty sick subclass atleast, had a triton who when he transformed turned into a wereshark with thunderweapons. The entire class is a little underwhelming tho
I love Order of the Lycan, but a lot of the time I feel like Beast Barbarian is better for it (and I know with the person we’re watching you know how much potential that class has).
@@feranandogabriel3202 Yeah, blood hunter has much less HP, sometimes a little more damage or utility, but much less reliability and diversity overall. Unfortunate, but it’s better than it being blatantly overpowered and either banned or hated at every table.
I found a 3.5 homebrew class called the Hell Knight that uses the ‘class features cost hp’ thing and as a balance since basically everything in its kit costs various amounts of d4 to use(1d4 per turn you’re using the bread and butter stuff)they have d12 hp and a class feature that guarantees all hit die from the class are maxed so you can have as much hp as possible so you don’t kill yourself. So I bring this up because I wonder would it be too much to give the BH a d12 health pool? Or is it’s weakness in more than just it’s hp? Never really had much experience with the class
He was a Order of the Ghost Hunter. Playing a Order of the Lycan in a dark/grim dark fantasy game and I’m even playing a subversion based more on strength then dex. Honestly one of my favourite characters and could not work without bloodhunter being what it is as nothing in all the other 5e books would feel right. I created the group for my game. Then Me and my DM would run our games bi-weekly so I DM the same group with a different story in my homebrew and we’ve been going strong for 3-4 years now.
I feel like bloodhunters are more of a character driven class. It was made by a story teller for story heavy games. They work great in combat too, but a lot of their allure comes from the stories that can be told through their Order. I had a character who's whole reason for being in the campaign was that his Order (lycan) sent him there (the in-game name was The Order of The Blue Moon) The only reason he was in The Order was because he and his were ambushed by a pack of magically rabid werewolves while on the road. He ran off to protect his childhood best friend/lover/detail, because no one had figured out how to cure someone cursed in such a way. Two years later, The Order of The Blue Moon arrives and begins to help the rabid werewolves, him included. Him, scared to return home, stayed with The Order. He turned wolf 7 times during that campaign. It was his last resort. He did it only when it was absolutely necessary and had as few of his party members present just in case he couldn't control it. (He could, but character continuity is important.) He was reunited with his lover by the end of it. He fully broke down into tears, which was completely unheard-of for him. He was very quickly deemed "The responsible and well adjusted party member" which he wasn't well adjusted at all. He was terrified of himself and what he could do to people. The immediate acceptance and love was just too much and he just broke down into his lover's lap. I have a core memory of his lover petting him and chuckling as he said "Yep. As dramatic as always." With the rest of the party being absolute hooligans in the background. So yeah...TLDR; Blood hunters are super character driven not class driven.😅
I’ve played a few and while I whole heartedly agree the class is so bare bones it could just’ve been a subclass of the fighter or ranger, it might be my favorite thing Matt has contributed to D&D because I do love the niche it provides. It’s a ranger but instead of woodland beasts and cute fairies you hunt the seriously disturbing beasts things most people would say “Don’t bother” to. You can essentially fulfill the same niche with some flavor and feats. But the fact that it was essentially a Intelligence based ranger made it really cool.
Talking about Mollymauk, he died specifically as a result of using his bloodhunter abilities. Trying to use his ability knocked him unconscious right in front of the BBEG.
I have played as a bloodhunter from level 1 to now level 13 (still ongoing), lemme rate the features; Blood Curses: 1/10 I either use all of my uses in 1 fight, or i go 6 sessions without using them. I feel like they should be a little more in the middle. Crimson Rite: 8/10 They feel a little weak at first, and I picked Ghostslayer so that just gives me the only rite ill ever use, but I feel like if they all had some little ability tacked onto them it would be more of a choice to use. Overall I like the idea behind them. I love the recent change where they no longer go out if you sheathe your weapon. Brand of Castigation: 2/10 Awesome name, terrible ability. I think if they wanted to make this better, instead of dealing your hemocraft modifier, it should do a die roll of your hemocraft instead, or possibly the hemocraft die + modifier. I do like how it lasts forever though. Grim Psychometry: 6/10 Another amazing ability, but EXTREMELY dependent on having a good DM. If you have an inexperienced DM, this ability does nothing. Thankfully, i have a fairly generous DM. Dark Augmentation: 3/10 While very useful, this is just weaker versions of other classes abilities that they got earlier. The save bonuses is Aura of Protection, but only for yourself and only physical saves, and the speed boost is a whopping 5 extra feet. Incredible. Thankfully, it does actually stack with Aura of protection. Brand of Tethering: 3/10 Havent gotten to use this yet, but it seems like a good upgrade to a bad ability. Also, being able to prevent teleportation without magic sound great. Rite of Dawn: 7/10 The only reason I have rated this lower than regular crimson rites is that it is the only one that gets special addons, thus making it the only one I ever use. Aether Walk: 15/10 I fucking love walking through walls, there is nothing else in this class that compares to it. Brand of Sundering: 7/10 This actually makes the brand useful. Good job.
@@AnaseSkyrider oh absolutely, every little bit of speed helps when you can dash as a bonus action. I am playing an Eladrin Elf. So my base movement is 30, and dashing is my action.
im playing a grung mutant blood hunter (doubling up on poison immunity feels bad, but i had a fun idea so rolled with it) and so far im having a good time. with the rite damage i can dual wield 2d6 in each hand and basically just act like im a fighter which works out well enough, and then every now and then i get to remember im not and throw a curse out lol
@@pal1d1nl1ght What do you mean by dashing as a bonus action? Swiftstride gets increased speed and a reaction which lets them move without provoking reactions. Are you talking about a multiclass? The stacked up speed is just really nice when you see an enemy who's 'so far away' and you're just like "Yeah I can move over there" and your measuring tool on your VTT is half the battle area.
Ive tried really hard to like blood hunter, even look at the republish Matt Mercer did for DMguild (which is way easier to digest). Ive tried playing blood hunter, and looking at people play it, and it took me a bit to understand the class. I think one of the problems with Blood Hunter is that it immediately has too many options to pick from between levels 1-2. Like you have to decide through many mechanically complex curses, each with an enhancement bonus, its a lot to digest. I think damaging yourself to gain a cool lingering bonus like extra damage on weapon attacks is cool, but the maledict system makes it a hard entry into the class for me. That said, I do feel Blood hunter has like one or two features that is enough to warrent being a class, like Matt's thing for immense flavor in homebrew works perfect here to make Blood Hunter distinct, but a lot of that shine is muddled by some mechanical complexity.
Molly was the Order of The Ghost Hunter. His Crimson Rite did radiant damage, which was specific to the Ghost Hunter. I largely agree with you as far as "why is this a class"? The greatest benefit of Blood Hunter being its own class is that it gave us rules and mechanics for players to be werewolves, but since then, there have been feats made by people like Pointy Hat who have vastly improved on the idea by making it accessible to everyone rather than making it the entire identity of a whole subclass.
Honestly imo if your homebrew is gonna be specialized and flavorful its better off as a subclass while the class its self should be more general with more room for expansion of its own think monks vs ascendant dragon monk monks are plenty open ended for lots of different ki based abilities but dragon monks are full of that dragon theme and are specialized for elemental damage
I played a Blood Hunter to level 17, joyously tearing through enemies as a lycanthrope. Apparently there's some BH haters but c'mon, there are some awesome possibilities with the class
I think people just think it should be a fighter subclass since it’s basically a fighter with special magic. That being said it’s basically the Witcher kind of so it’s pretty cool.
Bloodhunter would’ve been perfect for barbarian. Especially with the focus on harming yourself to gain the rite feature since you have tons of hp from barbarian. The Lycan subclass even has features that feel like a watered down barbarian but with a werewolf theme.
Having played to lvl 8 as blood hunter the classes identity is int based ranger that's much better at crit fishing, so you get around 2-3 major hits would have been much more interesting if its abilities were tied to con
i made a class was to simply double down on what the Aberrant Mind sorcerer was going down, added a mechanic where the character could harvest brains from the living or the freshly dead inorder to stuff them in vials that he can drink later or give to his party to drink. others cant drink the vials without either: being an evil alignment, making a charisma save, or my assistance. the vial system was hard because it would temporarily enhance a character’s ability scores
It's like it's built off the Ranger, but they took away spells, added Battle Master maneuvers, threw in some Paladin/Cleric stuff, and then made it so you can't use your most powerful abilities in a tight spot or you might accidentally kill your own character
Ouch. Fucking long may he reign dude… wow. In all fairness, the class has been edited since Molly. It’s more balanced and blood maledict only hurts you if you amplify it, just crimson rite.
You raise a very valid argument; now I want to re-homebrew bloodhunter as a fighter subclass. I think bloodhunter is pretty good as it is, but it has too much of a “you get these cool things, so to keep it balanced, you also have some drawbacks” mindset. Especially the mutant. I believe Molly was the ghost hunter one, or maybe profane soul (unless those two are the same then idk. There’s one that lets you cast spells and one that fights ghosts) Idea: make “bloodhunter” a ranger subclass, since rangers are already fighting monsters to begin with. makes sense to me. Rangers need more love.
I’ve played Ghostslayer and Lycan Bloodhunters. It’s definitely a fun class, but depending on a few factors it can be like playing on medium difficulty or hard difficulty. Unless you’re a hill dwarf with the tough feat. Then it’s on easy.
Had the same gripes with it. Most of the main class features felt very underwhelming and the only thing that could redeem the class was the order of the lycan, but that’s pretty bad if only 1 of the subclasses are viable. I much prefer Laserllama’s take on the class.
Tmw I have a level 20 Blood Hunter/Paladin that is a ton of fun to play because the damage potential for a Ghost Slayer BH with levels in Paladin is insane. Rite of the Dawn does Radiant Damage and it does an extra Hemocraft die to undead creatures so if you're in a campaign where you fight Undead, that combined with Paladin levels to get smite just makes the damage skyrocket.
I rolled up a bloodhunter, but haven't played them yet. My impression was that of a Bloodborne hunter. So I gave him a light one-handed weapon and a palm pistol with two-weapon fighter. (I didn't know about the Critical Role stuff. I downloaded D&D Beyond before this video)
Played a BH from level 2 to 8. It was the warlock-flavored 1/3 caster subclass, and it really highlighted the fact that warlocks and 1/3 casters overlap in a BAD way. Despite being the face tank of the party I was constantly getting knocked unconscious because I was shackled to medium armor, but I had also built into high damage with a greatsword which painted a target on my back from the DMs perspective. If I play another BH I'll probably do a mutant archer build, since that subclass seems really unique and doubles down on the theme of sacrificing one resource to gain another in a cool way
Fighter needs more interesting subclasses so I’d agree with your idea. I wanted to like the Profane Soul but it gets less spellcasting than a warlock while offering a similar play style. And the ghost hunter just sounds like a couple home brewed eldritch invocations slapped together. The mutant and Lycan subclasses are the only two really worth playing
I started watching campaign 2 of CR when we decided we wanted to learn how to play. Was on like session 6 when we had our session one. Never knew anything about DND classes and thought he was a Bard at first. I'm like, oh so bards can duel wield, how awesome! Then later as I learned that subclasses existed (I picked bladesinger) I just assumed Blood Hunter was a Bard subclass
im currently playing a blood hunter for the first time because it was finally updated to not be quite as terrible. Sure you still hurt yourself, but now your weapons dont stop being juiced up until you take a short/long rest AND it just hurts you instead of reducing your max hp. It is MUCH better, even though the class itself is a little confused still. Im playing an order of the mutant for reference and am at level 5 so far. Its basically just a fighter with some fun very limited little extra bits though
Honestly, I have made two for hunters ever, one based on the Warlock subclass which we modified so it felt a little more calmer and obviously the lycan one. I think those two are the most interesting sub classes it has, the other two are interesting, but they don’t shine. The class really wants to be an edgy alternative to the paladin I feel, but the entire energy of the class mostly swallows the energy of the add-ons. I have had the most fun with it however, looking at an archetype I have for a character that I like, that may have been based on like an old forum character or something I had when I was younger, but I can’t make it work with any other class. So I take my concept and did that. Which is funny, because none of my characters really lean into that hard-core edge, the bloodhunters tend to evoke from its players..
That is a very fair statement. I do still enjoy the Bloodhunter and will continueto play it, but I agree it's basically a Fighter+Ranger+edge. I love the Witcher though, so it's still dope to me, though.
Y'all should really check out Laserllama's "Alternate Blood Hunter". It's more streamlined (example: spell casting stat is CON for obvious reasons), and while a couple of features are nerfed, overall, the class is more powerful (within balanced reason).
I've only seen this looking at D&D beyond on my friend's thing before I have no idea of anything about it I tried to look it up when I get home but it wasn't on D&D beyond and I've never seen anything about it since so I just left it until I come across it to see if I would find out what it is
You know what blood hunter feels more like, now that I’m musing on it? It feels like a prestige class from ye olde 3.5 days. I think it could be seen as reasonably taking parts from fighter, ranger, warlock and cleric, so I could see it being more effective as something that’s layered on top of those classes in some form of combination.
Molly was an Order of the Ghostslayer Blood Hunter, and according to the stat blocks for that class, he was a what-if scenario of what if a necromancy wizard was a melee class. So I guess your criticisms are valid.
I think Travis' character lived long enough since he rarely uses his BH abilities apart from hybrid transformation. Molly died on his own blood maledict. Which hurts.
Is there a non homebrew way to play a character that's the opposite of a good person struggling against something evil trying to possess them? Like an evil warlord that got possessed by a good spirit and the spirit has the fight against the evil guy getting control back.
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I want to make a blood hunter, that has cleric attributes, like blood sacrifice to heal allies, slaughtering dying enemies to gain magic powers, and divination by reading entrails.
I feel like blood hunter could be more unique if it got worked on. Hexblade, eldritch knight and a couple others combine spellcasting and melee but I could see it as a full class with unique features. Just needs some work.
I feel like there are a few classes "that would be better as a fighter subclass" and that's more of a problem with how op fighter is and not a fault of the other classes.
Also blood hunter should be a subclass of many classes Blood barb can stay in rage forever but takes damage while being raged Blood monk you can take damage for chi Blood cleric who can only heal by taking damage stuff like that
Question regarding class vs subclass: If you have a good idea for a class/subclass, how do you know if your idea has enough character in itself in order to be a class by itself, or whether it should be a subclass?
I find it mainly depends on two factors. 1) Theming. If the theme is very direct it might serve well as a subclass. For example, a knife thrower would work better as a subclass for fighter or rogue then a whole class. A broader theme the has multiple facets is where you start to look at a whole class, or sometimes a modular subclass like Beast Totem Barbarian. For example, you could do an Elementalist as subclass for wizard or sorcerer, which sub-options for each element, or you could make it it's own class, with subclasses revolving around each element. 2) Mechanics. If the mechanics you think of aren't going to strongly differentiate you homebrew from an existing options, just tweak the existing option to fit what's desired. It's unprecedented, but making a subclass that removes or changes base class features is an option. Using the previous Elementalist as an example, whether or not you make a whole new class or not depends on what you want it to do. If you want it to cast spells, using druid, sorcerer, or wizard as a base is probably a good start. If you want a more physical class, think Last Airbender, you're starting to wade into more unique territory. PS. I know Elements Monk exists, but it's also bad so I ignored it.
To be fair, the most likely reason you remember everyone else's subclasses is because 1) the version of Blood Hunter Molly used was a clunkier and less mechanically sound version of the class, and 2) the rest of the party leaned into the flavor of the class and their backstories highlighted exactly what they were on multiple occasions. Molly didn't ACT like a blood hunter, he very much went against type playing a hedonistic amnesiac circus performer, not a monster huntering badass. Plus Molly died well before we ever got into his personal arc where him being a blood hunter would actually be important.
(Before i start, lemme say that Bloodhunter is one of my favorite classes, and I often use it to invoke an Ursine Witcher or Ulfhednar style character) The Bloodhunter is, and always has been, a melee ranger with extra steps, but also wanted the edginess and debuffing cability of warlock, when in all reality, it would have been better to just play an oathbreaker paladin or hexblade warlock. People only like it because it's edgy and cringey... oh, and you can get an elemental weapon without access to Flametongue/Caladbolg/Frostbrand, so there's that. In terms of mechanics, it builds upon what the ranger does (but in all the wrong ways) by giving you the ability to change your damage to take advantage of various resistances and vulnerabilities, but it often doesnt deal enough damage to be worthwhile, and on top of that, how are you supposed to know what damage types work best without metagaming? Other features such as blood curses are meant to invoke a class that focuses on debuffs and striking against vulnerabilities... but isnt that what a warlock or wizard does? So yeah. A bloodhunter is basically the ranger if it tried to be more like the warlock, paladin, and wizard instead of being like the fighter, rogue and druid.
Huh. And here I thought Matt made it for talison for the second campaign, like he did for the subclasses for talison in the first and third campaign. This is a better reason.
I've tried so hard to get into DND but every game is a mess. So I have little experience. Finally got to have another game, and chose Blood Hunter because it seemed like warlock without the need for a sponsor. I based my race, background, everything on supporting the class with my asking the GM for approval every step of the way. They were enthusiastic until apparently they finished writing their world and my choices clash with their vision. Very draining and a big mood killer. If they had told me these rules from the beginning, sure. But we already had our first session and now the GM wants to shake my whole character up.
it doesn't have as much focus, or strength in one thing either, like i was multi classing a tortle barbarian and was thinking of bloodhunter, but damn, by lvl 3 you get a whole toolbox, but all the tools are broken until lvl 8+ lol
To me blood Hunter just feels like a base idea, for a specific character. like, other then the flame sword there is no visuals really tied to it other then the weapon and blood. like how when you think of rouge you see a dude in a black hood with daggers and whatnot. Just doesn’t inspire much other then vampires lol
The best roast to bloodhunter was when Travis said level 5 bloodhunter which makes me the longest a bloodhunter has ever lived
Ooof
he took another shot later on saying something to the effect of "someone needs to see what a Bloodhunter can do at high levels"
I know but it’s badass
When the class roast turns into an earnest argument against its existence.
This doesn’t even feel like a roast than it does an honest criticism
Congratulations on being one of the few people alive nowadays who can tell the difference.
Blood hunter is pretty cool in my opinion, it’s just lacking because Matt was too afraid of Matt making it OP.
The thing with Molly is that he didn’t know about how he got his powers because of amnesia and his subclass (ghost slayer) was the champion fighter or hunter ranger, just making him more of a blood hunter. The lycan is the best werewolf transformation in d&d, surpassing beast barbarian in how much it delivers in the werewolf fantasy. The profane soul is the first 1/3 warlock to match eldritch knight and arcane trickster, also allowing anyone who gets to that level to use eldritch blast and other warlock stuff with INT or WIS, enabling SO MANY cool multiclasses. And the mutagen allows you to go beyond 20 in any stat if you accept the drawback.
As for why it’s not a fighter subclass, why isn’t the ranger? The ranger is similar to blood hunter as it could be a fighter subclass but isn’t because it’s identity as being connected to nature is too integral to be a subclass, and there’s so many ways to do a ranger and so many different facets on nature you can tie to. A blood hunter is different from a fighter as it bargains and sacrifices for power, and they are transformed by the monstrous source they take power from, which defines their subclasses. While it may sound similar to warlocks who make a bargain, blood hunters differ from warlocks in the way they GET their power and what it means for them. Warlocks are given their power by their patron and when they cast their patrons magic is channeled through them. Blood hunters sacrifice their vitality to create a different kind of magic and integrate their monstrous power as a part of their very being. And so their bargain and sacrifice is thus as important to the blood hunter as rage to a barbarian, divinity to a paladin, nature to a ranger, and martial arts for the monk, because under your thoughts all of those classes could be fighter subclasses. And maybe they could be but, they ALL do better as classes.
Also blood magic is cool,
TLDR: the theme behind the blood hunter is becoming one with monstrous energy and sacrificing vitality for power, and this concept is as makes them different from fighters as much as nature makes ranger different from a fighter
i think the reason molly's subclass never stuck was. well he died.
he had a subclass for about 3 sessions one of which was like rp and shopping when he died, most characters subclasses are not very distinctive at that point. infact many classes just don't have very memorable subclasses especially in play, aside from the hex blade all warlocks play pretty much the same and use the same few spells.
@@valwenventureco9285 They really don't, they've got plenty of good options and something like goolock is heavily reliant on it's great expanded spell list
It was kinda BS tho. Look back at that fight and rewatch it. They were like 3 people going up against like 5-6 people of equal level. Half of their team was gone. it was a fight that never should have happened. They even had the element of surprise and only managed to barely kill 1.
@@Tsuusetsuwhy shouldn't it have happened? It was long time ago so i don't remember the details all that well but didn't they literally capture their party members or something? Should the rest of the party just sit on their ass or what.
They had more people so more action economy and finally their boss was a frickin Oni or something, which is not bs it's world building to show that not everything plays at your level.
Also suprise is not actually that great of a tool, like it can help but unless you can actually drop enemies during the suprise round it does not really decide anything.
Then take also into account that the Bloodhunter class was and arguably still is very weak class whose main mechanics include doing damage to yourself for very small benefits.
I swear, I’ve read the Bloodhunter features so many times and I still can’t freaking grasp what the heck it wants to be. It’s like the Silence from Doctor Who, as in I completely forget about it when I look away for even a second.
ah, you found out. yes, the Blood Hunter does indeed have limited anti-memetic properties, people can remember that it exists, but they can barely remember anything else about it when not actively observing it.
For the order of the mutant blood hunter, the brand of castigation need to be condensed so badly. There's like several paragraphs of what the basic brand does, and then what the brand of Axom does.
What makes the blood hunter different than the fighter is about making sacrifices. Most obviously is your health for abilities by way of blood magic, but the less hidden and more important is sacrificing humanity to become something else, and that something else determines your subclass. Making a deal with a patron, becoming a lycanthrope, experimenting on yourself with alchemy. It honestly has a lot of potential the only problem is that it’s abilities are lacking and restricted because Matt Mercer was too afraid of making the blood hunter op. Also order of the lycan is hands down the best class and subclass combo to be a werewolf in d&d, showing the blood hunters potential.
@@ginaran8921that would be an awesome game mechanic
@@Obsi399Even then, the Lycan struggles to be OP. It has anti-synergies if you try to build for either DEX or STR. It generally works better for DEX builds since fewer "features" are shut off, relying on your damage bonuses to help you somewhat keep up with other builds. The MADness in general also hurts when it comes to feeling like you have enough versatility to justify your lack of full specialization.
I feel like Bloodhunter thrives heavily on how the DM allows it to be unique. One of my players chose the Mutagen subclass/Assassination rogue and it was a pretty fun character to see. He still loves em. But I had to do some extra work to make the levels more impactful.
when i played blood hunter i misinterpreted the profane soul subclass and took 2 warlock patron as it was written, I made the DM's neigh impossible boss (that apparently has the able to manipulate molecules to his will) and destroyed it making them super bitter about it for weeks on end
Tbh my friend plays it as if youre part of a Chronicles of Darkness conspiracy, youre monster hunters who are slowly becoming monsters (bar ghosthunter given its just an 'enhanced bloodhunter' subclass)
For my campaign I had a player who was a dragon born barbarian. She was turned into a werewolf after an encounter she was supposed to die from (this was the first in a long line of "how did you live?" Events). She became a lycan blood hunter as it fit better with the situation. That character being a blood hunter was honestly one of the coolest parts of the campaign as the transition was so natural. And while she kept barbarian habits she also leaned heavy into keeping the beast contained, and even completely changed her alignment, it made for a really cool character who sadly died at the end of the campaign.
Order of the lycan is a pretty sick subclass atleast, had a triton who when he transformed turned into a wereshark with thunderweapons. The entire class is a little underwhelming tho
Weresharks are always cool!
I love Order of the Lycan, but a lot of the time I feel like Beast Barbarian is better for it (and I know with the person we’re watching you know how much potential that class has).
@@rednecromancer2579 i had a blood hunter in my party and i was a barbarian, i did everything he did, but better... like no joke
@@feranandogabriel3202 Yeah, blood hunter has much less HP, sometimes a little more damage or utility, but much less reliability and diversity overall. Unfortunate, but it’s better than it being blatantly overpowered and either banned or hated at every table.
I found a 3.5 homebrew class called the Hell Knight that uses the ‘class features cost hp’ thing and as a balance since basically everything in its kit costs various amounts of d4 to use(1d4 per turn you’re using the bread and butter stuff)they have d12 hp and a class feature that guarantees all hit die from the class are maxed so you can have as much hp as possible so you don’t kill yourself. So I bring this up because I wonder would it be too much to give the BH a d12 health pool? Or is it’s weakness in more than just it’s hp? Never really had much experience with the class
every blood hunter I know accidentally kills themselves
He was a Order of the Ghost Hunter. Playing a Order of the Lycan in a dark/grim dark fantasy game and I’m even playing a subversion based more on strength then dex. Honestly one of my favourite characters and could not work without bloodhunter being what it is as nothing in all the other 5e books would feel right.
I created the group for my game. Then Me and my DM would run our games bi-weekly so I DM the same group with a different story in my homebrew and we’ve been going strong for 3-4 years now.
I feel like bloodhunters are more of a character driven class. It was made by a story teller for story heavy games. They work great in combat too, but a lot of their allure comes from the stories that can be told through their Order.
I had a character who's whole reason for being in the campaign was that his Order (lycan) sent him there (the in-game name was The Order of The Blue Moon)
The only reason he was in The Order was because he and his were ambushed by a pack of magically rabid werewolves while on the road. He ran off to protect his childhood best friend/lover/detail, because no one had figured out how to cure someone cursed in such a way. Two years later, The Order of The Blue Moon arrives and begins to help the rabid werewolves, him included. Him, scared to return home, stayed with The Order.
He turned wolf 7 times during that campaign. It was his last resort. He did it only when it was absolutely necessary and had as few of his party members present just in case he couldn't control it. (He could, but character continuity is important.)
He was reunited with his lover by the end of it. He fully broke down into tears, which was completely unheard-of for him. He was very quickly deemed "The responsible and well adjusted party member" which he wasn't well adjusted at all. He was terrified of himself and what he could do to people. The immediate acceptance and love was just too much and he just broke down into his lover's lap. I have a core memory of his lover petting him and chuckling as he said "Yep. As dramatic as always." With the rest of the party being absolute hooligans in the background.
So yeah...TLDR; Blood hunters are super character driven not class driven.😅
I’ve played a few and while I whole heartedly agree the class is so bare bones it could just’ve been a subclass of the fighter or ranger, it might be my favorite thing Matt has contributed to D&D because I do love the niche it provides. It’s a ranger but instead of woodland beasts and cute fairies you hunt the seriously disturbing beasts things most people would say “Don’t bother” to.
You can essentially fulfill the same niche with some flavor and feats. But the fact that it was essentially a Intelligence based ranger made it really cool.
Talking about Mollymauk, he died specifically as a result of using his bloodhunter abilities. Trying to use his ability knocked him unconscious right in front of the BBEG.
I have played as a bloodhunter from level 1 to now level 13 (still ongoing), lemme rate the features;
Blood Curses: 1/10
I either use all of my uses in 1 fight, or i go 6 sessions without using them. I feel like they should be a little more in the middle.
Crimson Rite: 8/10
They feel a little weak at first, and I picked Ghostslayer so that just gives me the only rite ill ever use, but I feel like if they all had some little ability tacked onto them it would be more of a choice to use. Overall I like the idea behind them. I love the recent change where they no longer go out if you sheathe your weapon.
Brand of Castigation: 2/10
Awesome name, terrible ability. I think if they wanted to make this better, instead of dealing your hemocraft modifier, it should do a die roll of your hemocraft instead, or possibly the hemocraft die + modifier. I do like how it lasts forever though.
Grim Psychometry: 6/10
Another amazing ability, but EXTREMELY dependent on having a good DM. If you have an inexperienced DM, this ability does nothing. Thankfully, i have a fairly generous DM.
Dark Augmentation: 3/10
While very useful, this is just weaker versions of other classes abilities that they got earlier. The save bonuses is Aura of Protection, but only for yourself and only physical saves, and the speed boost is a whopping 5 extra feet. Incredible. Thankfully, it does actually stack with Aura of protection.
Brand of Tethering: 3/10
Havent gotten to use this yet, but it seems like a good upgrade to a bad ability. Also, being able to prevent teleportation without magic sound great.
Rite of Dawn: 7/10
The only reason I have rated this lower than regular crimson rites is that it is the only one that gets special addons, thus making it the only one I ever use.
Aether Walk: 15/10
I fucking love walking through walls, there is nothing else in this class that compares to it.
Brand of Sundering: 7/10
This actually makes the brand useful. Good job.
I have a Swiftstride Shifter Lycan Blood Hunter... The stacking movement speed is really nice, to be honest.
@@AnaseSkyrider oh absolutely, every little bit of speed helps when you can dash as a bonus action. I am playing an Eladrin Elf. So my base movement is 30, and dashing is my action.
im playing a grung mutant blood hunter (doubling up on poison immunity feels bad, but i had a fun idea so rolled with it) and so far im having a good time.
with the rite damage i can dual wield 2d6 in each hand and basically just act like im a fighter which works out well enough, and then every now and then i get to remember im not and throw a curse out lol
@@pal1d1nl1ght What do you mean by dashing as a bonus action? Swiftstride gets increased speed and a reaction which lets them move without provoking reactions. Are you talking about a multiclass?
The stacked up speed is just really nice when you see an enemy who's 'so far away' and you're just like "Yeah I can move over there" and your measuring tool on your VTT is half the battle area.
Ouch...this one was dead serious...
I'm currently playing a blood hunter, and even i forget my own features, blood maledicts and the brand of castigation feel so toothless
they got teeth... theyre just aimed at you cuz you have to bite your own arm for shit to work lmao
To be fair, Brand of Castigation is really nice because it's free to apply it.
Ive tried really hard to like blood hunter, even look at the republish Matt Mercer did for DMguild (which is way easier to digest).
Ive tried playing blood hunter, and looking at people play it, and it took me a bit to understand the class.
I think one of the problems with Blood Hunter is that it immediately has too many options to pick from between levels 1-2.
Like you have to decide through many mechanically complex curses, each with an enhancement bonus, its a lot to digest.
I think damaging yourself to gain a cool lingering bonus like extra damage on weapon attacks is cool, but the maledict system makes it a hard entry into the class for me.
That said, I do feel Blood hunter has like one or two features that is enough to warrent being a class, like Matt's thing for immense flavor in homebrew works perfect here to make Blood Hunter distinct, but a lot of that shine is muddled by some mechanical complexity.
Somehow they always manage to roll higher damage against themselves than against enemies.
He didn't ever get enough time to get into his build.
What "build" exactly 😂 I'm lvl 10 :o now i can....do more damage and maybe blind someone by taking 1d a bunch of damage lol
What "build" exactly 😂 I'm lvl 10 :o now i can....do more damage and maybe blind someone by taking 1d a bunch of damage lol
Molly was the Order of The Ghost Hunter. His Crimson Rite did radiant damage, which was specific to the Ghost Hunter.
I largely agree with you as far as "why is this a class"? The greatest benefit of Blood Hunter being its own class is that it gave us rules and mechanics for players to be werewolves, but since then, there have been feats made by people like Pointy Hat who have vastly improved on the idea by making it accessible to everyone rather than making it the entire identity of a whole subclass.
Molly literally got himself killed by being a blood Hunter
*Molly at 5hp* "let me cut myself to do more damage!" *rolls a 5 on the dice* "oh shit, I'm dead"
It's like an Alchemist subclass if the Alchemist was a sad, sad little gish man
Honestly imo if your homebrew is gonna be specialized and flavorful its better off as a subclass while the class its self should be more general with more room for expansion of its own think monks vs ascendant dragon monk monks are plenty open ended for lots of different ki based abilities but dragon monks are full of that dragon theme and are specialized for elemental damage
Overall it seems that way, but when you factor in the amount of options they had, it's more setup to multiclass into
I played a Blood Hunter to level 17, joyously tearing through enemies as a lycanthrope. Apparently there's some BH haters but c'mon, there are some awesome possibilities with the class
I think people just think it should be a fighter subclass since it’s basically a fighter with special magic. That being said it’s basically the Witcher kind of so it’s pretty cool.
Very honest and valid criticism.
And... Unpopular opinion... Tal wasn't able to play Molly in season 2 or Ash in S3. But Caduceus was his speed!
Bloodhunter would’ve been perfect for barbarian. Especially with the focus on harming yourself to gain the rite feature since you have tons of hp from barbarian. The Lycan subclass even has features that feel like a watered down barbarian but with a werewolf theme.
honestly I feel like you could merge all the subclasses, and then give blood hunter to barbarian as a single subclass.
I've been really really looking for a bard subclass puppeteer
Yo same
Having played to lvl 8 as blood hunter the classes identity is int based ranger that's much better at crit fishing, so you get around 2-3 major hits would have been much more interesting if its abilities were tied to con
i made a class was to simply double down on what the Aberrant Mind sorcerer was going down, added a mechanic where the character could harvest brains from the living or the freshly dead inorder to stuff them in vials that he can drink later or give to his party to drink. others cant drink the vials without either: being an evil alignment, making a charisma save, or my assistance. the vial system was hard because it would temporarily enhance a character’s ability scores
It's like it's built off the Ranger, but they took away spells, added Battle Master maneuvers, threw in some Paladin/Cleric stuff, and then made it so you can't use your most powerful abilities in a tight spot or you might accidentally kill your own character
Ouch. Fucking long may he reign dude… wow.
In all fairness, the class has been edited since Molly. It’s more balanced and blood maledict only hurts you if you amplify it, just crimson rite.
You raise a very valid argument; now I want to re-homebrew bloodhunter as a fighter subclass.
I think bloodhunter is pretty good as it is, but it has too much of a “you get these cool things, so to keep it balanced, you also have some drawbacks” mindset. Especially the mutant.
I believe Molly was the ghost hunter one, or maybe profane soul (unless those two are the same then idk. There’s one that lets you cast spells and one that fights ghosts)
Idea: make “bloodhunter” a ranger subclass, since rangers are already fighting monsters to begin with. makes sense to me. Rangers need more love.
I’ve played Ghostslayer and Lycan Bloodhunters. It’s definitely a fun class, but depending on a few factors it can be like playing on medium difficulty or hard difficulty. Unless you’re a hill dwarf with the tough feat. Then it’s on easy.
Molymauk!!
Long may he reign. v.v
You dont remember mollys subclass because he fuckin died before he got to do anything with it
I agree. The moment I saw blood hunter, I was like, "This could have just been a fighter."
"[Taliesin's] second most popular character from campaign 2."
On one hand, how fucking dare you. On the other hand, yeah, that's fair.
Molly was order of the ghostslayer
Molly was a Ghost Slayer
Just like me currently lol
Had the same gripes with it. Most of the main class features felt very underwhelming and the only thing that could redeem the class was the order of the lycan, but that’s pretty bad if only 1 of the subclasses are viable.
I much prefer Laserllama’s take on the class.
The Selfhating Tiefling Demon Ichor Hunter
BH got the Monk treatment. Does damage and ahhhh yea..
He was an order of the ghost slayer because he had the Crimson wright of the dawn
Tmw I have a level 20 Blood Hunter/Paladin that is a ton of fun to play because the damage potential for a Ghost Slayer BH with levels in Paladin is insane.
Rite of the Dawn does Radiant Damage and it does an extra Hemocraft die to undead creatures so if you're in a campaign where you fight Undead, that combined with Paladin levels to get smite just makes the damage skyrocket.
Can bards be next?
It’s three fighter subclasses in a trench coat lol
I rolled up a bloodhunter, but haven't played them yet. My impression was that of a Bloodborne hunter. So I gave him a light one-handed weapon and a palm pistol with two-weapon fighter. (I didn't know about the Critical Role stuff. I downloaded D&D Beyond before this video)
Played a BH from level 2 to 8. It was the warlock-flavored 1/3 caster subclass, and it really highlighted the fact that warlocks and 1/3 casters overlap in a BAD way. Despite being the face tank of the party I was constantly getting knocked unconscious because I was shackled to medium armor, but I had also built into high damage with a greatsword which painted a target on my back from the DMs perspective. If I play another BH I'll probably do a mutant archer build, since that subclass seems really unique and doubles down on the theme of sacrificing one resource to gain another in a cool way
Blood Hunter comes across as "copyright free Witcher"
Fighter needs more interesting subclasses so I’d agree with your idea. I wanted to like the Profane Soul but it gets less spellcasting than a warlock while offering a similar play style. And the ghost hunter just sounds like a couple home brewed eldritch invocations slapped together. The mutant and Lycan subclasses are the only two really worth playing
I started watching campaign 2 of CR when we decided we wanted to learn how to play. Was on like session 6 when we had our session one. Never knew anything about DND classes and thought he was a Bard at first. I'm like, oh so bards can duel wield, how awesome! Then later as I learned that subclasses existed (I picked bladesinger) I just assumed Blood Hunter was a Bard subclass
im currently playing a blood hunter for the first time because it was finally updated to not be quite as terrible. Sure you still hurt yourself, but now your weapons dont stop being juiced up until you take a short/long rest AND it just hurts you instead of reducing your max hp. It is MUCH better, even though the class itself is a little confused still.
Im playing an order of the mutant for reference and am at level 5 so far. Its basically just a fighter with some fun very limited little extra bits though
Well, this poses the question, “what would you like to see changed or improved upon?” :}
This class, like cinder said, would be best as a subclass for fighter or ranger, but I think it fits the ranger better.
The Blood Hunter is a Witcher split unceremoniously into 3 parts. At least, the movie tie-in version was. IDK about the Wildmount revision.
Honestly, I have made two for hunters ever, one based on the Warlock subclass which we modified so it felt a little more calmer and obviously the lycan one. I think those two are the most interesting sub classes it has, the other two are interesting, but they don’t shine.
The class really wants to be an edgy alternative to the paladin I feel, but the entire energy of the class mostly swallows the energy of the add-ons. I have had the most fun with it however, looking at an archetype I have for a character that I like, that may have been based on like an old forum character or something I had when I was younger, but I can’t make it work with any other class. So I take my concept and did that. Which is funny, because none of my characters really lean into that hard-core edge, the bloodhunters tend to evoke from its players..
That is a very fair statement. I do still enjoy the Bloodhunter and will continueto play it, but I agree it's basically a Fighter+Ranger+edge. I love the Witcher though, so it's still dope to me, though.
Y'all should really check out Laserllama's "Alternate Blood Hunter". It's more streamlined (example: spell casting stat is CON for obvious reasons), and while a couple of features are nerfed, overall, the class is more powerful (within balanced reason).
I've only seen this looking at D&D beyond on my friend's thing before I have no idea of anything about it I tried to look it up when I get home but it wasn't on D&D beyond and I've never seen anything about it since so I just left it until I come across it to see if I would find out what it is
You know what blood hunter feels more like, now that I’m musing on it? It feels like a prestige class from ye olde 3.5 days. I think it could be seen as reasonably taking parts from fighter, ranger, warlock and cleric, so I could see it being more effective as something that’s layered on top of those classes in some form of combination.
Molly was an Order of the Ghostslayer Blood Hunter, and according to the stat blocks for that class, he was a what-if scenario of what if a necromancy wizard was a melee class. So I guess your criticisms are valid.
I think Travis' character lived long enough since he rarely uses his BH abilities apart from hybrid transformation. Molly died on his own blood maledict. Which hurts.
Is there a non homebrew way to play a character that's the opposite of a good person struggling against something evil trying to possess them? Like an evil warlord that got possessed by a good spirit and the spirit has the fight against the evil guy getting control back.
I know it's just a typo, but PLEASE someday do a character where you play an Oathbreaker who, at random moments, turns into Goofy.
Hi. I NEED HELP BAD! I wanna make a D&D world where Every continent or country is from a different era like there would be a wild West country and a medevil country with knights Maybe one with ninjas in samurai but I Want To know? How that could work with some places having guns? And some Just having swords? Some Having Magic? Like the power balance Between places but still have each one of them feel like a fantasy Version of the normal worlds historical places.
Also you should do more cinder reviews its a fun way learn about new ideas for D&D
I LOVE bloodhunter so for NPCs and to play but I think this is a valid point
feel the same about blood hunter as barbarian.
suits better as a subclass than class
I want to make a blood hunter, that has cleric attributes, like blood sacrifice to heal allies, slaughtering dying enemies to gain magic powers, and divination by reading entrails.
this man is the opposite of JoCat, just hates every damn class lmao
I feel like blood hunter could be more unique if it got worked on. Hexblade, eldritch knight and a couple others combine spellcasting and melee but I could see it as a full class with unique features. Just needs some work.
I love the bard, I need to see the class torn to pieces
lol, I thought it was a fighter subclass.
I mean, to be fair...
Molly didn't have a lot of time to show off his class lmao
Counter point it’s badass
The hate sounds like the hate that monks got for years...
I feel like there are a few classes "that would be better as a fighter subclass" and that's more of a problem with how op fighter is and not a fault of the other classes.
I legit thought bloodhunter was a warlock subclass, but apparently not 🤷
Also blood hunter should be a subclass of many classes
Blood barb can stay in rage forever but takes damage while being raged
Blood monk you can take damage for chi
Blood cleric who can only heal by taking damage stuff like that
@Cinderblocksally thanks for doing one on the bloodhunter it's my favorite class so I like to hear other people's opinions... Good or bad🙂👍
Question regarding class vs subclass: If you have a good idea for a class/subclass, how do you know if your idea has enough character in itself in order to be a class by itself, or whether it should be a subclass?
I find it mainly depends on two factors.
1) Theming. If the theme is very direct it might serve well as a subclass. For example, a knife thrower would work better as a subclass for fighter or rogue then a whole class.
A broader theme the has multiple facets is where you start to look at a whole class, or sometimes a modular subclass like Beast Totem Barbarian. For example, you could do an Elementalist as subclass for wizard or sorcerer, which sub-options for each element, or you could make it it's own class, with subclasses revolving around each element.
2) Mechanics. If the mechanics you think of aren't going to strongly differentiate you homebrew from an existing options, just tweak the existing option to fit what's desired. It's unprecedented, but making a subclass that removes or changes base class features is an option.
Using the previous Elementalist as an example, whether or not you make a whole new class or not depends on what you want it to do. If you want it to cast spells, using druid, sorcerer, or wizard as a base is probably a good start. If you want a more physical class, think Last Airbender, you're starting to wade into more unique territory.
PS. I know Elements Monk exists, but it's also bad so I ignored it.
@@octavianpedigree5866 Thank you!!
To be fair, the most likely reason you remember everyone else's subclasses is because 1) the version of Blood Hunter Molly used was a clunkier and less mechanically sound version of the class, and 2) the rest of the party leaned into the flavor of the class and their backstories highlighted exactly what they were on multiple occasions. Molly didn't ACT like a blood hunter, he very much went against type playing a hedonistic amnesiac circus performer, not a monster huntering badass.
Plus Molly died well before we ever got into his personal arc where him being a blood hunter would actually be important.
(Before i start, lemme say that Bloodhunter is one of my favorite classes, and I often use it to invoke an Ursine Witcher or Ulfhednar style character)
The Bloodhunter is, and always has been, a melee ranger with extra steps, but also wanted the edginess and debuffing cability of warlock, when in all reality, it would have been better to just play an oathbreaker paladin or hexblade warlock.
People only like it because it's edgy and cringey... oh, and you can get an elemental weapon without access to Flametongue/Caladbolg/Frostbrand, so there's that.
In terms of mechanics, it builds upon what the ranger does (but in all the wrong ways) by giving you the ability to change your damage to take advantage of various resistances and vulnerabilities, but it often doesnt deal enough damage to be worthwhile, and on top of that, how are you supposed to know what damage types work best without metagaming?
Other features such as blood curses are meant to invoke a class that focuses on debuffs and striking against vulnerabilities... but isnt that what a warlock or wizard does?
So yeah. A bloodhunter is basically the ranger if it tried to be more like the warlock, paladin, and wizard instead of being like the fighter, rogue and druid.
Huh. And here I thought Matt made it for talison for the second campaign, like he did for the subclasses for talison in the first and third campaign. This is a better reason.
You forgot how stat hungry they are
I mean I genuinely thought blood hunter was like a paladin, fighter, or cleric subclass
I've tried so hard to get into DND but every game is a mess. So I have little experience. Finally got to have another game, and chose Blood Hunter because it seemed like warlock without the need for a sponsor. I based my race, background, everything on supporting the class with my asking the GM for approval every step of the way. They were enthusiastic until apparently they finished writing their world and my choices clash with their vision. Very draining and a big mood killer. If they had told me these rules from the beginning, sure. But we already had our first session and now the GM wants to shake my whole character up.
Never tried just would fit better as subclass for different classes.
100% honest i agree even tho my only BH experience is from bg3 mod. It seriously feels like a subclass OF a subclass if you ain't going Lycan lol
Talk about the Psion
Ghostslayer
Yeah I have a blood hunter in my group and for the life of me I can't figure out why she isn't just a hexblade warlock.
Ghost slayer.
it doesn't have as much focus, or strength in one thing either, like i was multi classing a tortle barbarian and was thinking of bloodhunter, but damn, by lvl 3 you get a whole toolbox, but all the tools are broken until lvl 8+ lol
What do you guys think of the Grim Hallow subclasses? Blood hunter always reminds me of one fighter subclass in there...
To me blood Hunter just feels like a base idea, for a specific character. like, other then the flame sword there is no visuals really tied to it other then the weapon and blood. like how when you think of rouge you see a dude in a black hood with daggers and whatnot. Just doesn’t inspire much other then vampires lol
Fighter subclass? You mean RANGER subclass.
hell yeah, mighty nein is my fav too
The min-maxer in my group using blood hunter pissed off my DM
I like it when fanfiction just becomes Canon, it's always cool and never a problem or boring