I bought this bike. Had it for 1.5 years. Wanted to love it but no matter how hard I tried, I just couldn’t fall in love with it. I sold it for the Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally.
Nice, Scott! As a BMW fanboy I'm glad the RT is better for you than the 900XR was. There's always something there to dislike, but the conlusion that you would buy it again is convincing. Here in The Netherlands the police decided recently to buy hundreds of RT's again (next to the K1600's) because there is no bike or brand left that matches this.
Indeed, our Dutch Police (as many others) buy this bike, because BMW is the only brand to offer the Police version factory-made which is being supported by all BMW dealers. Other brands simply do not offer that. So it's not just about the quality of the bike, but support of all its features.
@@AdWeterings Yamaha do a nice FJR1300 Police special which our guys in Australia love but here in Western Australia they are being fazed out with RT's. Some like them but you get the odd non-believer 😉
@@jorobson1 Our Military Police ride the Yamaha. But the new ones cannot be sold in EU any more because they don't make 'm to EU-5 emission demands. Pity that, as the RT now has no competition any more.
Scott, as always, an honest and concise review. I have to agree with everything you said. I traded my 2012 RT and 2016 GTL in and bought a 2023 RT. As you stated, the Motorrad Connected App and its interface with the bike are not perfect. Map Mode reliability has been at about 90%, but that 10% drop rate can be bothersome and frustrating. As you say, not a deal breaker though. I still think the RT is best bike for me and my riding style and ability. I smile every time I fire her up! Thank you again for sharing your thoughts on this amazing bike.
Thanks Scott. A New Zealander with a RE650 and the R1200RT. I love the tractor for its solid feel on the road, the effortless torque and great economy and range. It corners well, and with updated suspension, it is handling much better too. An old 2005 girl so I have added a Garmin as well - made my own mount above the instrument shroud, inside the screen. Dependable and effortless distance riding. Thanks for sharing!!
My sentiments exactly! I'm coming up to my one-year anniversary with my '22 RT. There's no such thing as a perfect bike and I've owned over 20 so far. That said, my RT is close to perfection if only it had Apple Car Play.
I put 14,000 mostly happy miles on a new 1250 RT over the last 3 years. One day, my local BMW dealership threw me the keys to a new K1600GT while waiting for my RT to be serviced. My mind was expanded with that test ride,... sold the RT for the GT. They both handle very well, and are well equipped for the long haul, but the "party-piece" is the K's engine. Now Scott, you referred to the boxer motor as "un-emotional", I must agree, I tried to love it, it performed dutifully, but alas I was swayed by the siren song of the bavarian six banger. Yeah, it's heavier, will cost more to service, but... She my hot ride now. Happy trails with your RT!
Yep, agreed with the motor on the K1600 having some soul but the weight of the whole bike is not for me. 279kg for the RT is enough, I really don't want 340kg+ to deal with every time I push it around in the garage or pull off the kickstand. Now if they put that 1600 motor in the RT, SOLD! 😁👍 I loved the GT in this video, I gave it 2 thumbs way up for every category. ua-cam.com/video/gi116kv8oh8/v-deo.html take care, Scott P.S. Happy trails back to you, "till we meet again", now I have an "ear worm" of that great old song!
I really enjoyed this update. Also I also look forward to hitting play and hearing your theme music. I have a 1200 GS and the RT has always tempted me.
Your English is excellent! :-) I'm riding RT's since 2019 and until today I can't see any real competition around. This is by far the most versatile, safe and efficient ride you can get.
I test rode an RT today and im blown away at how good it is, man I always looked at them as an old dad bike but wow! just loved it, so much so im working a deal on a new 2023 triple black thank you for the review!!!!
Well, I'm 56 years young, I don't feel old and I don't feel old when I ride mine, still love it and I ride 25 different bikes a year and I would not trade any of them for it, period, love it still today 👍👍 You will love yours, I hope you enjoy it, Scott P.S. Love the triple black color too, I would have taken either one, but they had the sport blue with all the stuff on it, so I took the blue.
Try renting an RT and take it up in the mountains (or any good twisty road) and ride it hard. You will be shocked at how smooth it is in the corners and how well it holds its line.
I have shocked more than a few riding buds with how well this bike hustles twisties one or 2 up! It eats tires but handles great for a 620 lb. motorcycle, it's plenty quick, and over the 45,000 miles I 've averaged 45-48mpg... not too bad and iover 50% of my time on it is 2- up... it's a keeper!
Great update as you know from questions on you other video’s I’ve had mine 4weeks same best colour as yours lol, I’ve had zero issues with the nav in 1,400 miles . It’s a more time intensive process to input a route especially with multi day routes . I have a XT I used on my gsa , I’m thinking of fitting it for ease on the longer multiple day routes as I say , Nippy Normans here in the UK do a kit that fits in the channel inthe dash above the tft . £119 here in the uk , I found that the XT on the bars a pain , I’ve just fitted a new screen as at 6ft1 I’m long in the back I still get wind buffeting so new one will be on test on a 1,500 mls tour I’m off on in two days . Keep up the fantastic work especially with the RT look forward to seeing more. Dale
Hi Scott. Excellent video as always. I have the same bike and for me it’s been just a fantastic machine to ride. However, like yourself and I suspect a large number of owners, I’m really disappointed with the connectivity issues. Perhaps you could use your subscriber base to organise a collective approach to BMW in order to solve these issues. I for one would be happy to support. Complaining at local level doesn’t seem to help and dealers seem as frustrated with the system as owners.
Hi Peter and Scott, I have a R1250RT 2021. I have had the same problems with connectivity and uncertanties about the navi. I have been in contact with my dealer and BMW Motorrad Netherlands. There is no support on this subject. I have suggested to my dealer to organize a user meeting just for sharing experiences, but no respons. I also have seen satellite receivers on the R1250RT, on You Tube, from the US? I asked my dealer also about it, they did not know and were not interested to find out??? So after 2 years in use I have bought a Garmin Zumo XT2. With regards to the sound; I have bought an Akrapovic. With this very low level of customer service I doubt seriously about a next BMW.
Thank you Scott for the review. I am glad to keep my R1200RT from 2018 wich I´ve got in late 2019. I was thinking of exchanging it for the newer R1250RT but now I am convinced to wait until the "Childhood illness" with the NAV, the connectivity is solved. At the moment I am just shy of 50K km on the clock. So she will last a while longer. Unexpected service visit was the fuel cap, it did not open without removing the two screews. Got it changed on BMW´s cost. The rest runs like a swiss watch....... Ride safe and return home happy. Best wishes PETER
Completely agreed with this excellent (as usual) review. I still can't believe that BMW missed on the huge opportunity to make that gorgeous display compatible with Android/iOS and decided to build their own solution instead. I'm sure they had their commercial/political reasons, but from a purely technical standpoint this was as bad a decision as they get. Still loving the bike though :)
@@AnalogDude_ I'm not denying that, but I would love the possibility to choose that option if I wanted it. Also, at least on Android Auto you're not limited to using Waze or Google Maps, you can use other navigation software that's still way better than BMW's navigation software in my opinion (for example Sygic). I'm also quite certain that BMW is doing their fair share of tracking :)
Always a different view as an owner can't get past that. Yet you still love it and would buy it again. My mechanic friend years ago, said if you'd buy that car again it's a great car. Same goes for bikes.
I completely agree that there is no better motorcycle for traveling. I used to have a BMW GS 1200, but since I only drive on asphalt, it became unnecessary. My motorcycle RT 1250 is the same color as yours at the time of release. In the back there is a SHAD SH50 Top Case in blue color and it is no problem to place a Schuberth C4 pro XL. For those who do not use BMW navigation, there is an iPhone 14 (it is waterproof) with the Waze program. I traveled around Greece for the whole month of October. About 8,000 km on the trip from Lithuania and back. One of the minuses of this motorcycle is its large width (1 m), it is difficult to use it in the city, between rows. So I bought a Benelli Leoncino 800 Trail for free movement in the city and on smooth country roads. Now I am truly a happy motorcyclist. Easy clutches everyone!!!
How do you load tracks in Waze? I went the other way around, from Iphone to Garmin XT because I could not ride routes/tracks on Waze. Waze is my beloved nav for daily driving.
I came back to the RT after owning a 1200. The 1250 is noticeably better. Great series of videos Scott. They are a wonderful bike. I have given up on the stupid integrated GPS - not because it drops out - mine never does - but because you can't easily edit new routes - you have to pull the phone out of the cubby hole - just dumb. Have installed the mirror mount as per your other video, and I am about to mount a Zumo XT on it as you have done. Thanks for the tips.
Hi Scott, great update, love the bike but I’ve just done the same with the nav, found the BMW nav a complete pain as well as the problem of filling up my phone with large file maps, so ended up fitting the garmin xt 😊
I have to say, after 11 years with the 2011 RT. A2 year stint on the Africa Twin Adventure sports I wanted to swith to the Desert X for looks and style..... Your video made me realize how much I miss the RT.... Weather Protection and nimbleness on tiny and curvy roads as well as the all year usage I did with the predecessor.... so I might go for one - even with the 1300 on the horizon.... driiving down to Alba in November is just not the same with this amazing package - see you on the road
I know you didn't ride during the winter, so its nice to see another video from you. Really liked the last one I watched with your son! Anyway, I was thinking about getting a 900 XR for its handling, but bought a new 1250 RT Triple Black in December instead. What an incredible bike. Tons of smooth power (no, the engine sound isn't the greatest) Telelever front, paralever rear, drive shaft, TONS of wind protection, and the best part, it handles the mountain roads like a champ!! Unless you have ridden an RT hard in the mountains, you have no idea what this bike can do. Yes, its a little heavy (I ride with the panniers off), but once you learn to slide your butt over, and lean that front shoulder down, you are shocked at the exit speeds. Ride safe and do another video with that handsome young man again.
I’ve took delivery on my 2022 RT over a year ago. Not being technologically savvy I missed the simplicity of my 2019 RT. Initially using map mode was very frustrating, with it working intermittently. However the map mode is currently working satisfactorily. I really do enjoy the led headlights, and the horn, finally BMW gets it right. This is my 8th RT I’ve owned over the years, and certainly not the last.👍
Great review! I have had my 2022 Racing Blue R1250RT for a year and 5 months now, and I agree with everything you said..Thanks so much, Scott. Jimbo in Los Angeles
Sold my K1600GT for an RT and could not be happier. The RT handles better, and is more fun on twisty roads. Funny, I have not had any problems with connected app.
Appreciate the channel and the review. Recently, I test rode the RT and the RS back to back. I was surprised at how nimble the RT was. Head and shoulders over the RS. I believe this is due to the rack and telelever. Cheers
Hi, I have the same bike (year, color) as you. However, my navigation works perfect after the newest TFT update to Version 13.13.020 and with my cheap Samsung M11 phone, which I bought to serve only for the BMW. No map dropouts for about 8000 km. I have had a bulky TomTom 550 on my handlebar before, but now I removed it and enjoy the convenience of the wonderwheel in terms of scrolling, changing route preferences or altering destinations (from the "previous" list). It is much easier to handle with gloves then the tiny navi screen.
I've just worked with the Icelandic Police, Lögreglan, and their MC patrol use the BMW R1250 RT, those guys love it. My point is, if law enforcement give it two thumbs up - Then it might just be a two thumbs up bike 😉 - Just wish I could afford one, but not with the taxes in Denmark 😢
Awesome, as always. Hugely enjoy your vids. Yours is a 2021 bike if I understood correctly. I was thinking of trying to see if I could afford a 22 or even 23 - But I think it will be a 2021 now. Nothing much to choose between the last 3 years.
Great update., I have the 22 RT and dislike the GPS. I hate that you have to put your phone in the small space and then every time you turn off the bike you have to reset the connection. I went to a secondary gps like you did. When I went to new tires I chose the Dunlop Roadsmart 3’s. I them better than the Road 4’s that were on it.
On my '23 RT, my Samsung (android) phone automatically starts the Connected app whether I want it to or not whenever starting the bike. No reset required.
Entertaining review, Scott! You talk over weight, tire-duration, functionality of the navi. But, I am missing your humble opinion about emotions while riding. Does the RT create a smile on your face, do you really enjoy it? Or do you sometimes take Bettina's Honda on the curvy Sauerland streets? Obviously you have plans to go to Sardinia - with a German Policeman's bike? Have fun and ride safe. Die Linke zum Gruss aus LP!
Usual excellent review. So glad I have a 2020 model with nav 6 Totally reliable Garmin based. Would like the adaptive cruise control though on mine but I won’t update my bike until bmw sort the rubbish phone based nav system or better still just get rid of it. Off for a tour of Germany tomorrow Scott - will look out for you!
Hi Scott, that year has gone quick, very honest review , I have had 2 x Nt,s there great bikes … but … as you say the suspension is a bit mehhh and the brakes a bit mehhh , yes it has acp and aa yes it’s good on fuel yes it sounds nice but it looks a bit mehh, and yeah the bmw feels quality , I agree re the “dis” connected .. maps so many variables with the phones the os the settings in the phone and the bike software .. great honest review , I love the weather protection on the rt oh… also the Nt has a chain which on a tour is a slight pain to but nothings perfect eh… ride safe man thanks for the video
applecarplay and android auto(the latter just recently added) connectivity on the goldwing sucks, nothing like a honda civic. The akropovic wakes the roar of the motor up nicely but for over $1000usd its not cheap. A con on the rt is the "auto " canceling turn signal takes 1500 meters to turn itself off. That should be adjustable by a menu. Takes several mnutes to cancel in slow traffic. The big plus on the garmin is it works on GPS satelites not cell phone signal like the rt stock nav system.
I had the 1200 version and like it over the new version, mainly because I like the analog dials. BMW bikes are getting too complicated and I've gone back to an F800GT (2016) after having a 1250GS. I love the Garmin XT, better than the Nav6.
I owned my 21 with TFT for 2 months. I have just traded down to the 2020 model with NO TFT. I am looking forward to just riding and relying on the good old faithful NAV 6 :). Loved the 21 model for usual RT stuff, but that TFT.... eeek.
Good review Scott, I have had most of the same issues with my 2022 RT. In general the media player is not good. I did have my dealer install the factory radio and was looking forward to having Sirius satellite radio, however the Sirius reception was very poor and I ended up canceling the subscription.
Im on RS not RT and the reason is I live in UK aaaand I dont ride on the motorways at all. 1250 RS suits me perfectly , rear seat or passenger seat is very good as I ride with my wife and daughter
Great review! I just got my '23 RT a month ago and mechanically the bike is good. The Achilles' Heel is the UX (user experience) as you said too. The system reminds me of the 1st-gen BMW iDrive from 20 yrs ago and all the frustrations that entailed. It's just, well, half-baked. One annoyance is that the radio volume (thru the speakers) always starts at 1/2 scale when first turning on the radio (so WAY too loud). Has anyone found a way to reprogram this thing so that it starts at minimum volume or at least picks up the previous volume level before engine shutdown last time (like every car does)? Also the Sirius radio antenna sucks. So many dropouts! Another observation is that if you don't put your phone in the compartment with inductive charging, the automatic Bluetooth + WiFi connection really drains the phone battery (like 30% of battery capacity in a 20 min ride). With my Android phone, the Connected app starts automatically even if I don't want it to connect. So if you forget and leave the phone in your pocket, it will probably be dead within an hour. Oh, and the inductive charger only works on my phone if it's inserted backwards (foot first) into the cubby. Hopefully they'll have all this sorted by the time the 1300 RT comes out.
Another great episode. I also have A1250 rt 21 model. Was it easy to install the Navigator. I live in Australia and so far haven't had any problem with the Navigator with my bike. I'm planning to do more trips in the future and may install a Navigator like you have. Was it easy to install. So far I am very happy with my bike.
Look, Bosch made the display and app and that is why it will never have Apple Car play or Android Auto. Myself, I like the new headlamp but I went with a Harley Low Rider ST this time around because I wanted simpler touring. No radio, no gadgets, just back to the basics with a good fairing and luggage. I just added a trunk and off I am going.
Thanks for the frank review. You really seem to like this bike in spite of the mapping glitches. I'm trying to decide which bike to go for after my 2013 R1200R. A R1250RT or a K1600GT?
Well, I've spent some time on the K1600GT and loved it but and this was a big BUT I was glad to give it back because of the weight and just over-all heft of the bike. Moving it around in my garage and the amount of space it took just got old after a week. I'll never give up my blue RT. Still in love with it even after having the 1300GS sitting next to it for the last 4 months. I'd still rather take out the RT over the GS any day. Take care, Scott
Hello Scott, Nice review. regarding the exhaust why don't you change it to something more appealing to watch with a deeper sound? Honestly the OEM exhaust on this model is simply hideous. Regarding GPS why not use your smart phone to enjoy the GPS and music at the same time?
Thanks for your review, appreciate there's no perfect solution however it appears BMW is close with the items that would appear cheap and easy to fix, wonder why they don't?
Thanks for the review Scott. I'm considering an upgrade from a R1100RT mainly for better passenger comfort, I tour a lot with my wife on the back. Considering the RT and the Honda GW. You didn't mention seat comfort, how is the rider and passenger seat comfort?
Hey NTP, thanks for the vid, got the same bike and it´s good to hear other owners´moans and groans. I am now one year into ownership and just like you, yes I would buy it again. Three gripes for me, in order: 1. for spirited ("sporty") riding, I would love to have the option of unlinking front and rear brakes; 2. wish I could navigate with Google Maps; 3. 1000€ for that top box... still can´t get my head round spending that money. I ride in Spain, lots of narrow, twisty mountain roads, and this thing just doesn´t cease to amaze and entertain me, and keep me out of heat, cold and wind noise. Is there room for improvement? Yes, apart from brake feel (quite major for me), quickshifter really is just for riding hard - other brands do it much much better in low-rev-low-gear use. The big question is, where does one go after this RT?
I rented the NT1100 for 3 days last week here in Spain. The RT is much better and another league to be honest. The only sport tourer that seems more emotional and refined is the K1600, but I still need to rent one and see if the engine is that great as everyone says.
The 1600 engine is amazing, especially at full throttle, but its 200 lbs heaier than the RT. Handles great for its size and super comfy to ride, but I went with the RT
I had the k1600 - the engine is amazing but there is no getting around the fact that the k bike is far more top-heavy (not to mention heavy) than the RT - which is what i went for after the k.
I currently own a K1200LT, but will not buy another BMW due to their new policy on not providing service manuals to customers. That is a deal breaker for me as my closest deal is 140 miles away so doing my own maintenance and repairs is the only way that owning a BMW is viable.
The BMW connectivity on my 2022 R1250 GS between the TFT, NAV IV, and my Cardo is terrible. The NAV IV was just sent back to Garmin. I gave up and mounted a Zumo XT on my bike and disconnected the TFT from my phone.
Interesting review, I followed your channel since you bought the RT. Shame you're BMW Sat Nav isn't working as you'd like, do you run an Android phone? I ask because I use iOS with my RT and have had no issues at all, including a 3500 mile trip. For me it's one of the bikes best features being able to choose 'favourites' from the thumb wheel etc. Free maps from BMW also remember and no messy extra wiring. Pleased you are sticking with the RT though, they are great bikes :)
I’m using iOS and brand new bike. Same problems he speaks of. WiFi disconnects randomly, then reconnects. The app then randomly totally disconnects too. Also, it doesn’t appear to take traffic into consideration. I got caught for an hour in solid stationary traffic. Impossible to filter either.
@@WatermarquePaul the bike is not even a week old. So, should have the latest software on it. I rode less than 100km and stopped twice to reset the navi before giving up. As I write, I put in a route where I know there is traffic due to road works. Autobahn going from 3 to 1 lane. BMW says it’s problem free. TomTom states 20 minute delay. Frustrating is not the word!
Nice review Scott, thanks. I've only done about a dozen rides on the RT, but the Map mode (Wifi on Android - Samsung) never let me down (yet ?) I'm missing some features of the Garmin Zumo XT (traffic cameras warning, too high speed warning) though.
Hi Scott - Question - when you go into the 10 inch TFT settings can you change the speed from km to miles on the speedo? I am thinking about buying a RT in the UK to tour Europe with. Easier than freighting my 2019 over from Australia. I am lucky enough to also have a R1250GS HP in my garage but the RT is always our to go to 2 up tourer. Looking forward to what the R1300 series brings to the table! Hopefully the SatNav gets sorted. However the Navman VI has had its issues as well. I am onto number 3 on my GS. P.S I am so jealous of you guys having so many awesome roads at your back door. We have to travel for many kms just to find a corner over here in Western Australia 😀. Cheers John R
Been testing out the Apple Watch for navigation--there's a mount I will be getting for it too. The watch is about a 1/3 in price to Garmin et al and has other functions as well, but if you want to spend the money for a Garmin it'd probably be worth it, especially if you will not need the watch for any other purposes.
Just picked up a 2022 R1250RT yesterday. It was used with only 567 ish miles on it. I'm coming from a 2017 R1200GSA. What a difference. Amazing. Machine. Any chance these stock seats break in?
Well, I'm at 8,000 mark and I just did a 3,000 mi 2 week trip and I did not feel my butt at all. So I guess it's "broken-in", it's one of the most comfortable stock seats I've come across and I ride 30 different bikes a year. Ok, the BMW K1600 has a great stock seat too and so does the GSA 😁 Give it some time and if it doesn't work for you, there are plenty of after market seats to choose from. take care, Scott
The Map not working? No problem, BMW Motorrad Japan doesn’t have the contract for their Navi system thus the map isn’t available in Japan (same for the tire pressure sensors).
@@NothingToProve can’t remember with what partner BMW created their on screen navigation (awesomely beautiful but not as convenient as you experienced it seems) but this partner never signed a contract to operate in Japan. For the tire pressure, if I’m correct, it’s in conflict with the radio waves regulation here. But guess what? Do we get our RT or K1600 cheaper? Of course……not😂😂😂 Still, Triple Black RT is the one I’m aiming for and until I can get my hands on I’m also waiting to see the reveal of the M1000XR/GS1300 (and a M-GS? Didn’t BMW licensed the name for a GS M version?) Oh BTW, thanks for your videos! I like your style: simple, informative, to the point and with a pinch of humor.
Nice review. Pros Vs cons? Interesting. I have a little goat xt225 and I am just admiring your bike. Infact am looking for some nav 2 hand gear and a voyager or vapor used. Am in Kenya. Advice?
The 1250RT replaced my 1200RS that I never really loved. Asymetric display and headlamps, and poor aerodynamics. The RT is as fast on the twisties, faster on the autobahn and much more comfortable so a keeper
The wifi issue is did as wifi is generally far more reliable than Bluetooth. I can’t imagine BMW screwed up wifi as that should have been an off the shelf chip or block of FPGA code.
Good review. Looks like England there, with the blackthorn blossom starting to come through. I am guessing this is somewhere in Europe. The metric figures was another clue lol.
With the kind of bike the RT is I can't believe that the weight of it seems to bother you quite so much, as if you didn't think it would be heavy...?! It isn't that bad, but expect it, a big two up touring luxury bike that it is. My own exact same 2021 blue RT has done 14000miles now since I had it from new. Computer software issues, (downloading time), have been long time on one or two of them but always seemed to improve it each time, though not perfect. I haven't had the satnav issues you have, I'm sorry to hear it,...but you never know I may run into such issues with later updates?? It does seem sad that you have had to feel you have needed to purchase a separate Garmin satnav, that's a shame. The one negative thing I have had is having to have the exhaust flapper valve issue sorted, luckily under warranty but what a farce!! Why oh why BMW don't feel they should update this issue with a redesign I do not know. So, so many BMW owners have had this issue and it means replacing the whole exhaust bar the end can part!!!! This is about £1500 cost!! Why oh why BMW do you not change this...??
I envy your BMW service pricing over there. Over here in the land of the free they want nearly $280 just for an oil change on my 750.... I passed and bought a gs-911 :)
Yea, I probably will be getting one of these eventually, especially once I go out of mfg. warranty next year. Then I will be doing a lot myself. take care, Scott
Great review, I´m very pleased with my 2015 fully equipped RT. Good lights maybe I go for led installation later. Find it rather sporty and comfy, the weight is not what I feel. I think this will be a keeper for a long time, for 13000€ 20000km it will cost me twice and more to buy a new one. Is that worth it? Still have my Ducati ST3 to listen to now and then :)
The real tell will be after you put on another couple of years worth of travel. This is where these ALWAYS fall down. Nearly every BMW starts to have significant problems above the 25K mark. The owners' forums are quite telling, and very few owners seemed to have only minor problems; problems that a) didn't sidelined the bike, and b) didn't become more and more expensive to maintain (This is the "BMW Promise"). This is NOT what luxury is about. When a product like this prevents me from enjoying the ride - any time I feel like it! - it's not worth considering. I don't know this, but if you haven't spent a fair amount of time with, say, a Goldwing, it would be well worth it. In my several decades of vehicle ownership, three BMWs were two too many. If you really do put on the miles and plan on a longer-term relationship, this is probably not The One.
Had a 2022 1250RT....lost it in the last hurricane here in FL. Was fed up with the connectivity issues. Willing to give the 1250 GSA with a zumo xt a final shot for BMW.....otherwise its off to buy the Honda non-tour dct. BMW could solve all these issues by just getting a damn sat-nav and apple/android car play!!!! Just venting......
What I want to know is what is this model different from the previous 2019-2021 one (besides TFT, adapt cruise, front look). Has been QS updated? If it is the same, it is much better to buy a previous one. You need to have another navi anyway.
Do you still have the Yamaha FJR1300 in Europe? I have one and its a great sport tourer and in Canada at least its a lot less expensive than the BMW. It doesn't have a built-in Nav system but I always find dedicated Garmin GPS units much better than the built in bike or car systems so I also have a Garmin XT. The fuel tank on the FJR is also 25 litres and it gest decent fuel consumption when cruising . . . and that big 144 HP four cylinder really snarls when you open it up.
Na, that stopped I think in 2020 due to the FJR not keeping up with the emission standards. I'm really surprised that they are still selling it in the States in 2023. Emissions are going to get even stricter in 2024, so I don't see Yamaha bringing it back here any time soon, plus big sport tours don't sell well in great numbers like they do in the States, it's more Adventure bikes that sell well in Europe.
Guess you have an iPhone, they are more difficult to connect, they require both wireless hub connectivity and Bluetooth. You only connect an Android phone with Bluetooth, to display the maps an Android uses Wi-Fi Direct and an Android phone can support up to 4 Wi-Fi Direct devices at the same time. Wi-Fi Direct is a simple peer to peer connection, similar to Bluetooth but faster. If you buy a cheap Android phone and put it in the phone pocket you essentially have a dedicated nav unit, you don't need a Sim card in it as you can hot spot it to your iPhone. I did 2,300 miles across Europe last year using a Samsung S10 and had two disconnects. After all the upgrades I have zero dis-connections.
If it's any consolation, I have the s1000xr and I ditched the onboard Bluetooth/nav and went Garmin too. Was just too unreliable and the audio skipped, also the BMW phone cradle spat my phone out on the mororway😂
I bought this bike. Had it for 1.5 years. Wanted to love it but no matter how hard I tried, I just couldn’t fall in love with it. I sold it for the Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally.
Nice, Scott! As a BMW fanboy I'm glad the RT is better for you than the 900XR was. There's always something there to dislike, but the conlusion that you would buy it again is convincing. Here in The Netherlands the police decided recently to buy hundreds of RT's again (next to the K1600's) because there is no bike or brand left that matches this.
Indeed, our Dutch Police (as many others) buy this bike, because BMW is the only brand to offer the Police version factory-made which is being supported by all BMW dealers. Other brands simply do not offer that. So it's not just about the quality of the bike, but support of all its features.
@@AdWeterings Yamaha do a nice FJR1300 Police special which our guys in Australia love but here in Western Australia they are being fazed out with RT's. Some like them but you get the odd non-believer 😉
@@jorobson1 Our Military Police ride the Yamaha. But the new ones cannot be sold in EU any more because they don't make 'm to EU-5 emission demands. Pity that, as the RT now has no competition any more.
Scott, as always, an honest and concise review. I have to agree with everything you said. I traded my 2012 RT and 2016 GTL in and bought a 2023 RT. As you stated, the Motorrad Connected App and its interface with the bike are not perfect. Map Mode reliability has been at about 90%, but that 10% drop rate can be bothersome and frustrating. As you say, not a deal breaker though. I still think the RT is best bike for me and my riding style and ability. I smile every time I fire her up! Thank you again for sharing your thoughts on this amazing bike.
Thanks Scott. A New Zealander with a RE650 and the R1200RT. I love the tractor for its solid feel on the road, the effortless torque and great economy and range. It corners well, and with updated suspension, it is handling much better too. An old 2005 girl so I have added a Garmin as well - made my own mount above the instrument shroud, inside the screen. Dependable and effortless distance riding. Thanks for sharing!!
My sentiments exactly! I'm coming up to my one-year anniversary with my '22 RT. There's no such thing as a perfect bike and I've owned over 20 so far. That said, my RT is close to perfection if only it had Apple Car Play.
😱already one year!!! Good to see you love your bike.
I put 14,000 mostly happy miles on a new 1250 RT over the last 3 years. One day, my local BMW dealership threw me the keys to a new K1600GT while waiting for my RT to be serviced. My mind was expanded with that test ride,... sold the RT for the GT. They both handle very well, and are well equipped for the long haul, but the "party-piece" is the K's engine.
Now Scott, you referred to the boxer motor as "un-emotional", I must agree, I tried to love it, it performed dutifully, but alas I was swayed by the siren song of the bavarian six banger. Yeah, it's heavier, will cost more to service, but... She my hot ride now. Happy trails with your RT!
Yep, agreed with the motor on the K1600 having some soul but the weight of the whole bike is not for me. 279kg for the RT is enough, I really don't want 340kg+ to deal with every time I push it around in the garage or pull off the kickstand. Now if they put that 1600 motor in the RT, SOLD! 😁👍
I loved the GT in this video, I gave it 2 thumbs way up for every category.
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take care,
Scott
P.S. Happy trails back to you, "till we meet again", now I have an "ear worm" of that great old song!
Great one year review on your RT...always like your reviews as there's no BS & always interesting. Thank you & stay safe!
I really enjoyed this update. Also I also look forward to hitting play and hearing your theme music. I have a 1200 GS and the RT has always tempted me.
I have had the same model (and same colour). Totally agree. Now i have the K1600GT and… the RT is in my heart.
Your English is excellent! :-) I'm riding RT's since 2019 and until today I can't see any real competition around. This is by far the most versatile, safe and efficient ride you can get.
Thanks for the review ! I've bought my RT in november 22 because of your videos and I really don't regret it ! Greatings from Reunion Island !
My son lives Mauritius next visit plane to visit your island
I test rode an RT today and im blown away at how good it is, man I always looked at them as an old dad bike but wow! just loved it, so much so im working a deal on a new 2023 triple black thank you for the review!!!!
Well, I'm 56 years young, I don't feel old and I don't feel old when I ride mine, still love it and I ride 25 different bikes a year and I would not trade any of them for it, period, love it still today 👍👍
You will love yours, I hope you enjoy it,
Scott
P.S. Love the triple black color too, I would have taken either one, but they had the sport blue with all the stuff on it, so I took the blue.
@NothingToProve thank you!
This must be the most comfortable motorbike on the market…
Loving the one year review Scott!!
NTP …
I have just turned 60 and feel I’m way too young for this bike, as good as it is. Still loving my KTM SAS. Maybe another 10 years.. 👍🏻
Try renting an RT and take it up in the mountains (or any good twisty road) and ride it hard. You will be shocked at how smooth it is in the corners and how well it holds its line.
I have shocked more than a few riding buds with how well this bike hustles twisties one or 2 up! It eats tires but handles great for a 620 lb. motorcycle, it's plenty quick, and over the 45,000 miles I 've averaged 45-48mpg... not too bad and iover 50% of my time on it is 2- up... it's a keeper!
Great update as you know from questions on you other video’s I’ve had mine 4weeks same best colour as yours lol, I’ve had zero issues with the nav in 1,400 miles . It’s a more time intensive process to input a route especially with multi day routes . I have a XT I used on my gsa , I’m thinking of fitting it for ease on the longer multiple day routes as I say , Nippy Normans here in the UK do a kit that fits in the channel inthe dash above the tft . £119 here in the uk , I found that the XT on the bars a pain , I’ve just fitted a new screen as at 6ft1 I’m long in the back I still get wind buffeting so new one will be on test on a 1,500 mls tour I’m off on in two days . Keep up the fantastic work especially with the RT look forward to seeing more. Dale
100 miles in I just love it, just love it 5 stars, it handles amazing the engine reminds me of an analog Porsche 911 just love
Scott, I am very pleased on your comments regarding the reliability of the wifi on the navigation system during a trip. Thanks.
Hi Scott. Excellent video as always. I have the same bike and for me it’s been just a fantastic machine to ride. However, like yourself and I suspect a large number of owners, I’m really disappointed with the connectivity issues. Perhaps you could use your subscriber base to organise a collective approach to BMW in order to solve these issues. I for one would be happy to support. Complaining at local level doesn’t seem to help and dealers seem as frustrated with the system as owners.
Hi Peter and Scott, I have a R1250RT 2021. I have had the same problems with connectivity and uncertanties about the navi. I have been in contact with my dealer and BMW Motorrad Netherlands. There is no support on this subject. I have suggested to my dealer to organize a user meeting just for sharing experiences, but no respons. I also have seen satellite receivers on the R1250RT, on You Tube, from the US? I asked my dealer also about it, they did not know and were not interested to find out??? So after 2 years in use I have bought a Garmin Zumo XT2. With regards to the sound; I have bought an Akrapovic. With this very low level of customer service I doubt seriously about a next BMW.
Thank you Scott for the review. I am glad to keep my R1200RT from 2018 wich I´ve got in late 2019. I was thinking of exchanging it for the newer R1250RT but now I am convinced to wait until the "Childhood illness" with the NAV, the connectivity is solved. At the moment I am just shy of 50K km on the clock. So she will last a while longer. Unexpected service visit was the fuel cap, it did not open without removing the two screews. Got it changed on BMW´s cost. The rest runs like a swiss watch.......
Ride safe and return home happy. Best wishes PETER
Completely agreed with this excellent (as usual) review. I still can't believe that BMW missed on the huge opportunity to make that gorgeous display compatible with Android/iOS and decided to build their own solution instead. I'm sure they had their commercial/political reasons, but from a purely technical standpoint this was as bad a decision as they get. Still loving the bike though :)
The entire world depended on 2 companies in the U.S.? being tracked 24/7.
Seams like a really really bad idea, just for usefulness and ease.
@@AnalogDude_ I'm not denying that, but I would love the possibility to choose that option if I wanted it. Also, at least on Android Auto you're not limited to using Waze or Google Maps, you can use other navigation software that's still way better than BMW's navigation software in my opinion (for example Sygic). I'm also quite certain that BMW is doing their fair share of tracking :)
That’s why the BMW engineers begin every sentence with…”We at BMW…”
Always a different view as an owner can't get past that. Yet you still love it and would buy it again. My mechanic friend years ago, said if you'd buy that car again it's a great car. Same goes for bikes.
I completely agree that there is no better motorcycle for traveling. I used to have a BMW GS 1200, but since I only drive on asphalt, it became unnecessary. My motorcycle RT 1250 is the same color as yours at the time of release. In the back there is a SHAD SH50 Top Case in blue color and it is no problem to place a Schuberth C4 pro XL. For those who do not use BMW navigation, there is an iPhone 14 (it is waterproof) with the Waze program. I traveled around Greece for the whole month of October. About 8,000 km on the trip from Lithuania and back. One of the minuses of this motorcycle is its large width (1 m), it is difficult to use it in the city, between rows. So I bought a Benelli Leoncino 800 Trail for free movement in the city and on smooth country roads. Now I am truly a happy motorcyclist. Easy clutches everyone!!!
How do you load tracks in Waze? I went the other way around, from Iphone to Garmin XT because I could not ride routes/tracks on Waze. Waze is my beloved nav for daily driving.
I came back to the RT after owning a 1200. The 1250 is noticeably better. Great series of videos Scott. They are a wonderful bike.
I have given up on the stupid integrated GPS - not because it drops out - mine never does - but because you can't easily edit new routes - you have to pull the phone out of the cubby hole - just dumb. Have installed the mirror mount as per your other video, and I am about to mount a Zumo XT on it as you have done. Thanks for the tips.
Hi Scott, great update, love the bike but I’ve just done the same with the nav, found the BMW nav a complete pain as well as the problem of filling up my phone with large file maps, so ended up fitting the garmin xt 😊
I have to say, after 11 years with the 2011 RT. A2 year stint on the Africa Twin Adventure sports I wanted to swith to the Desert X for looks and style..... Your video made me realize how much I miss the RT.... Weather Protection and nimbleness on tiny and curvy roads as well as the all year usage I did with the predecessor.... so I might go for one - even with the 1300 on the horizon.... driiving down to Alba in November is just not the same with this amazing package - see you on the road
I know you didn't ride during the winter, so its nice to see another video from you. Really liked the last one I watched with your son! Anyway, I was thinking about getting a 900 XR for its handling, but bought a new 1250 RT Triple Black in December instead. What an incredible bike. Tons of smooth power (no, the engine sound isn't the greatest) Telelever front, paralever rear, drive shaft, TONS of wind protection, and the best part, it handles the mountain roads like a champ!! Unless you have ridden an RT hard in the mountains, you have no idea what this bike can do. Yes, its a little heavy (I ride with the panniers off), but once you learn to slide your butt over, and lean that front shoulder down, you are shocked at the exit speeds. Ride safe and do another video with that handsome young man again.
Thank you! I hope you enjoy your RT as much as I am! 👍👍
I’ve took delivery on my 2022 RT over a year ago. Not being technologically savvy I missed the simplicity of my 2019 RT. Initially using map mode was very frustrating, with it working intermittently. However the map mode is currently working satisfactorily. I really do enjoy the led headlights, and the horn, finally BMW gets it right. This is my 8th RT I’ve owned over the years, and certainly not the last.👍
Good long term review Scott, I certainly would not be without my Garmin XT on my GSA. It works so well, great to plan trips on.
Long term for a BMW is after 200,000+ km, not one year🕊️
Great review! I have had my 2022 Racing Blue R1250RT for a year and 5 months now, and I agree with everything you said..Thanks so much, Scott. Jimbo in Los Angeles
Sold my K1600GT for an RT and could not be happier. The RT handles better, and is more fun on twisty roads. Funny, I have not had any problems with connected app.
Appreciate the channel and the review. Recently, I test rode the RT and the RS back to back. I was surprised at how nimble the RT was. Head and shoulders over the RS. I believe this is due to the rack and telelever. Cheers
I bought the RS as the ride and handling was way better than the 3 1250RT rides I had.
Thank you, excellent like always, great machine, great review!!..
Strongly recommend you try an FJR. Reliable and easy to do your own maintenance.
Valuable input for those in that market.Thanks.
Hi, I have the same bike (year, color) as you. However, my navigation works perfect after the newest TFT update to Version 13.13.020 and with my cheap Samsung M11 phone, which I bought to serve only for the BMW. No map dropouts for about 8000 km. I have had a bulky TomTom 550 on my handlebar before, but now I removed it and enjoy the convenience of the wonderwheel in terms of scrolling, changing route preferences or altering destinations (from the "previous" list). It is much easier to handle with gloves then the tiny navi screen.
Oh your last words ! 😍
"Ride like you have nothing to prove" 👍👊👊
Stealing that !!! 😉
Love the videos I think ya change camera angles when it's not necessary.
Great review one again but do you think you could have highlighted the type of phone you have for connection to the bike?
Samsung S22
Thank you very much Scott!
I've just worked with the Icelandic Police, Lögreglan, and their MC patrol use the BMW R1250 RT, those guys love it. My point is, if law enforcement give it two thumbs up - Then it might just be a two thumbs up bike 😉 - Just wish I could afford one, but not with the taxes in Denmark 😢
Awesome, as always. Hugely enjoy your vids. Yours is a 2021 bike if I understood correctly. I was thinking of trying to see if I could afford a 22 or even 23 - But I think it will be a 2021 now. Nothing much to choose between the last 3 years.
fully agree thanks for this video telling us your POV. I sometimes miss an RT currently with RR :) thinking what to do next.
Great update., I have the 22 RT and dislike the GPS. I hate that you have to put your phone in the small space and then every time you turn off the bike you have to reset the connection. I went to a secondary gps like you did. When I went to new tires I chose the Dunlop Roadsmart 3’s. I them better than the Road 4’s that were on it.
On my '23 RT, my Samsung (android) phone automatically starts the Connected app whether I want it to or not whenever starting the bike. No reset required.
Entertaining review, Scott! You talk over weight, tire-duration, functionality of the navi. But, I am missing your humble opinion about emotions while riding. Does the RT create a smile on your face, do you really enjoy it? Or do you sometimes take Bettina's Honda on the curvy Sauerland streets? Obviously you have plans to go to Sardinia - with a German Policeman's bike? Have fun and ride safe. Die Linke zum Gruss aus LP!
Usual excellent review. So glad I have a 2020 model with nav 6 Totally reliable Garmin based. Would like the adaptive cruise control though on mine but I won’t update my bike until bmw sort the rubbish phone based nav system or better still just get rid of it. Off for a tour of Germany tomorrow Scott - will look out for you!
Hi Scott, that year has gone quick, very honest review , I have had 2 x Nt,s there great bikes … but … as you say the suspension is a bit mehhh and the brakes a bit mehhh , yes it has acp and aa yes it’s good on fuel yes it sounds nice but it looks a bit mehh, and yeah the bmw feels quality , I agree re the “dis” connected .. maps so many variables with the phones the os the settings in the phone and the bike software .. great honest review , I love the weather protection on the rt oh… also the Nt has a chain which on a tour is a slight pain to but nothings perfect eh… ride safe man thanks for the video
applecarplay and android auto(the latter just recently added) connectivity on the goldwing sucks, nothing like a honda civic. The akropovic wakes the roar of the motor up nicely but for over $1000usd its not cheap. A con on the rt is the "auto " canceling turn signal takes 1500 meters to turn itself off. That should be adjustable by a menu. Takes several mnutes to cancel in slow traffic.
The big plus on the garmin is it works on GPS satelites not cell phone signal like the rt stock nav system.
I had the 1200 version and like it over the new version, mainly because I like the analog dials. BMW bikes are getting too complicated and I've gone back to an F800GT (2016) after having a 1250GS. I love the Garmin XT, better than the Nav6.
I owned my 21 with TFT for 2 months. I have just traded down to the 2020 model with NO TFT. I am looking forward to just riding and relying on the good old faithful NAV 6 :). Loved the 21 model for usual RT stuff, but that TFT.... eeek.
Good review Scott, I have had most of the same issues with my 2022 RT. In general the media player is not good. I did have my dealer install the factory radio and was looking forward to having Sirius satellite radio, however the Sirius reception was very poor and I ended up canceling the subscription.
Im on RS not RT and the reason is I live in UK aaaand I dont ride on the motorways at all. 1250 RS suits me perfectly , rear seat or passenger seat is very good as I ride with my wife and daughter
Great review! I just got my '23 RT a month ago and mechanically the bike is good. The Achilles' Heel is the UX (user experience) as you said too. The system reminds me of the 1st-gen BMW iDrive from 20 yrs ago and all the frustrations that entailed. It's just, well, half-baked.
One annoyance is that the radio volume (thru the speakers) always starts at 1/2 scale when first turning on the radio (so WAY too loud). Has anyone found a way to reprogram this thing so that it starts at minimum volume or at least picks up the previous volume level before engine shutdown last time (like every car does)? Also the Sirius radio antenna sucks. So many dropouts!
Another observation is that if you don't put your phone in the compartment with inductive charging, the automatic Bluetooth + WiFi connection really drains the phone battery (like 30% of battery capacity in a 20 min ride). With my Android phone, the Connected app starts automatically even if I don't want it to connect. So if you forget and leave the phone in your pocket, it will probably be dead within an hour. Oh, and the inductive charger only works on my phone if it's inserted backwards (foot first) into the cubby. Hopefully they'll have all this sorted by the time the 1300 RT comes out.
Another great episode. I also have A1250 rt 21 model. Was it easy to install the Navigator. I live in Australia and so far haven't had any problem with the Navigator with my bike. I'm planning to do more trips in the future and may install a Navigator like you have. Was it easy to install. So far I am very happy with my bike.
Look, Bosch made the display and app and that is why it will never have Apple Car play or Android Auto.
Myself, I like the new headlamp but I went with a Harley Low Rider ST this time around because I wanted simpler touring. No radio, no gadgets, just back to the basics with a good fairing and luggage. I just added a trunk and off I am going.
Thanks for the frank review. You really seem to like this bike in spite of the mapping glitches. I'm trying to decide which bike to go for after my 2013 R1200R. A R1250RT or a K1600GT?
Well, I've spent some time on the K1600GT and loved it but and this was a big BUT I was glad to give it back because of the weight and just over-all heft of the bike. Moving it around in my garage and the amount of space it took just got old after a week. I'll never give up my blue RT. Still in love with it even after having the 1300GS sitting next to it for the last 4 months. I'd still rather take out the RT over the GS any day.
Take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProve Thanks for the reply. The lighter bike would suit me well, even though the K1600 engine is a dream.
Hello Scott, Nice review. regarding the exhaust why don't you change it to something more appealing to watch with a deeper sound? Honestly the OEM exhaust on this model is simply hideous. Regarding GPS why not use your smart phone to enjoy the GPS and music at the same time?
Thanks for your review, appreciate there's no perfect solution however it appears BMW is close with the items that would appear cheap and easy to fix, wonder why they don't?
Only honest reviews on youtube, cmon lets hear dishonest one :)
Thanks for the review Scott. I'm considering an upgrade from a R1100RT mainly for better passenger comfort, I tour a lot with my wife on the back. Considering the RT and the Honda GW. You didn't mention seat comfort, how is the rider and passenger seat comfort?
Does the Garmin obstruct the left mirror? Great review!
Hey NTP, thanks for the vid, got the same bike and it´s good to hear other owners´moans and groans. I am now one year into ownership and just like you, yes I would buy it again. Three gripes for me, in order: 1. for spirited ("sporty") riding, I would love to have the option of unlinking front and rear brakes; 2. wish I could navigate with Google Maps; 3. 1000€ for that top box... still can´t get my head round spending that money. I ride in Spain, lots of narrow, twisty mountain roads, and this thing just doesn´t cease to amaze and entertain me, and keep me out of heat, cold and wind noise. Is there room for improvement? Yes, apart from brake feel (quite major for me), quickshifter really is just for riding hard - other brands do it much much better in low-rev-low-gear use. The big question is, where does one go after this RT?
I rented the NT1100 for 3 days last week here in Spain. The RT is much better and another league to be honest. The only sport tourer that seems more emotional and refined is the K1600, but I still need to rent one and see if the engine is that great as everyone says.
The 1600 engine is amazing, especially at full throttle, but its 200 lbs heaier than the RT. Handles great for its size and super comfy to ride, but I went with the RT
Valve adjustment is not easy on 1600
I had the k1600 - the engine is amazing but there is no getting around the fact that the k bike is far more top-heavy (not to mention heavy) than the RT - which is what i went for after the k.
I currently own a K1200LT, but will not buy another BMW due to their new policy on not providing service manuals to customers. That is a deal breaker for me as my closest deal is 140 miles away so doing my own maintenance and repairs is the only way that owning a BMW is viable.
The BMW connectivity on my 2022 R1250 GS between the TFT, NAV IV, and my Cardo is terrible. The NAV IV was just sent back to Garmin. I gave up and mounted a Zumo XT on my bike and disconnected the TFT from my phone.
Interesting review, I followed your channel since you bought the RT. Shame you're BMW Sat Nav isn't working as you'd like, do you run an Android phone? I ask because I use iOS with my RT and have had no issues at all, including a 3500 mile trip. For me it's one of the bikes best features being able to choose 'favourites' from the thumb wheel etc. Free maps from BMW also remember and no messy extra wiring. Pleased you are sticking with the RT though, they are great bikes :)
I’m using iOS and brand new bike. Same problems he speaks of. WiFi disconnects randomly, then reconnects. The app then randomly totally disconnects too.
Also, it doesn’t appear to take traffic into consideration. I got caught for an hour in solid stationary traffic. Impossible to filter either.
@@snazmeister guess you’ve done all the updates, what a pain! Traffic works well in the UK for me but not so well in Europe, not sure why 🤔
@@WatermarquePaul the bike is not even a week old. So, should have the latest software on it. I rode less than 100km and stopped twice to reset the navi before giving up.
As I write, I put in a route where I know there is traffic due to road works. Autobahn going from 3 to 1 lane. BMW says it’s problem free. TomTom states 20 minute delay.
Frustrating is not the word!
BMW maybe up there on connectivity when the R1300RT is due - maybe next year?
Nice review Scott, thanks. I've only done about a dozen rides on the RT, but the Map mode (Wifi on Android - Samsung) never let me down (yet ?) I'm missing some features of the Garmin Zumo XT (traffic cameras warning, too high speed warning) though.
Class act as always thanks
Hi Scott - Question - when you go into the 10 inch TFT settings can you change the speed from km to miles on the speedo? I am thinking about buying a RT in the UK to tour Europe with. Easier than freighting my 2019 over from Australia. I am lucky enough to also have a R1250GS HP in my garage but the RT is always our to go to 2 up tourer. Looking forward to what the R1300 series brings to the table! Hopefully the SatNav gets sorted. However the Navman VI has had its issues as well. I am onto number 3 on my GS.
P.S I am so jealous of you guys having so many awesome roads at your back door. We have to travel for many kms just to find a corner over here in Western Australia 😀. Cheers John R
Been testing out the Apple Watch for navigation--there's a mount I will be getting for it too. The watch is about a 1/3 in price to Garmin et al and has other functions as well, but if you want to spend the money for a Garmin it'd probably be worth it, especially if you will not need the watch for any other purposes.
Just picked up a 2022 R1250RT yesterday. It was used with only 567 ish miles on it. I'm coming from a 2017 R1200GSA. What a difference. Amazing. Machine. Any chance these stock seats break in?
Well, I'm at 8,000 mark and I just did a 3,000 mi 2 week trip and I did not feel my butt at all. So I guess it's "broken-in", it's one of the most comfortable stock seats I've come across and I ride 30 different bikes a year. Ok, the BMW K1600 has a great stock seat too and so does the GSA 😁 Give it some time and if it doesn't work for you, there are plenty of after market seats to choose from.
take care,
Scott
Great review, anything to add on the front and rear brakes compared similar sports touring bikes?
The Map not working? No problem, BMW Motorrad Japan doesn’t have the contract for their Navi system thus the map isn’t available in Japan (same for the tire pressure sensors).
LOL, yea, that's probably because Honda doesn't want competition in their own backyard 🤣
@@NothingToProve can’t remember with what partner BMW created their on screen navigation (awesomely beautiful but not as convenient as you experienced it seems) but this partner never signed a contract to operate in Japan. For the tire pressure, if I’m correct, it’s in conflict with the radio waves regulation here.
But guess what? Do we get our RT or K1600 cheaper? Of course……not😂😂😂
Still, Triple Black RT is the one I’m aiming for and until I can get my hands on I’m also waiting to see the reveal of the M1000XR/GS1300 (and a M-GS? Didn’t BMW licensed the name for a GS M version?)
Oh BTW, thanks for your videos! I like your style: simple, informative, to the point and with a pinch of humor.
Nice review. Pros Vs cons? Interesting. I have a little goat xt225 and I am just admiring your bike. Infact am looking for some nav 2 hand gear and a voyager or vapor used. Am in Kenya. Advice?
I love my RT but I would like speed camera notifications on the map or give us Apple car play so I could use Wase instead
The 1250RT replaced my 1200RS that I never really loved. Asymetric display and headlamps, and poor aerodynamics. The RT is as fast on the twisties, faster on the autobahn and much more comfortable so a keeper
The wifi issue is did as wifi is generally far more reliable than Bluetooth. I can’t imagine BMW screwed up wifi as that should have been an off the shelf chip or block of FPGA code.
Yes the BMW app is disappointing. Thinking along the same lines with a separate sat nav. But it's nice not to have loads of things on the handle bars
Good review. Looks like England there, with the blackthorn blossom starting to come through. I am guessing this is somewhere in Europe. The metric figures was another clue lol.
With the kind of bike the RT is I can't believe that the weight of it seems to bother you quite so much, as if you didn't think it would be heavy...?! It isn't that bad, but expect it, a big two up touring luxury bike that it is. My own exact same 2021 blue RT has done 14000miles now since I had it from new. Computer software issues, (downloading time), have been long time on one or two of them but always seemed to improve it each time, though not perfect. I haven't had the satnav issues you have, I'm sorry to hear it,...but you never know I may run into such issues with later updates?? It does seem sad that you have had to feel you have needed to purchase a separate Garmin satnav, that's a shame. The one negative thing I have had is having to have the exhaust flapper valve issue sorted, luckily under warranty but what a farce!! Why oh why BMW don't feel they should update this issue with a redesign I do not know. So, so many BMW owners have had this issue and it means replacing the whole exhaust bar the end can part!!!! This is about £1500 cost!! Why oh why BMW do you not change this...??
I envy your BMW service pricing over there. Over here in the land of the free they want nearly $280 just for an oil change on my 750.... I passed and bought a gs-911 :)
Yea, I probably will be getting one of these eventually, especially once I go out of mfg. warranty next year. Then I will be doing a lot myself.
take care,
Scott
Why wouldn't BMW put a Reverse gear in their big bikes? I'm 70, might consider buying one if it had a reverse gear.
I owned a couple of Harley Ultra Limiteds, they weigh 420kg. My RT is a sports bike
Any bike that is not a Harley is a sports bike, unless it's an Indian 🤣🤣🤣
Great review, I´m very pleased with my 2015 fully equipped RT. Good lights maybe I go for led installation later. Find it rather sporty and comfy, the weight is not what I feel. I think this will be a keeper for a long time, for 13000€ 20000km it will cost me twice and more to buy a new one. Is that worth it? Still have my Ducati ST3 to listen to now and then :)
The real tell will be after you put on another couple of years worth of travel. This is where these ALWAYS fall down. Nearly every BMW starts to have significant problems above the 25K mark. The owners' forums are quite telling, and very few owners seemed to have only minor problems; problems that a) didn't sidelined the bike, and b) didn't become more and more expensive to maintain (This is the "BMW Promise"). This is NOT what luxury is about. When a product like this prevents me from enjoying the ride - any time I feel like it! - it's not worth considering. I don't know this, but if you haven't spent a fair amount of time with, say, a Goldwing, it would be well worth it. In my several decades of vehicle ownership, three BMWs were two too many. If you really do put on the miles and plan on a longer-term relationship, this is probably not The One.
Great review. TY.
Is the goldwing to big? I love the goldwing bagger.
Had a 2022 1250RT....lost it in the last hurricane here in FL. Was fed up with the connectivity issues. Willing to give the 1250 GSA with a zumo xt a final shot for BMW.....otherwise its off to buy the Honda non-tour dct. BMW could solve all these issues by just getting a damn sat-nav and apple/android car play!!!! Just venting......
Good information sir
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What I want to know is what is this model different from the previous 2019-2021 one (besides TFT, adapt cruise, front look). Has been QS updated? If it is the same, it is much better to buy a previous one. You need to have another navi anyway.
Do you still have the Yamaha FJR1300 in Europe? I have one and its a great sport tourer and in Canada at least its a lot less expensive than the BMW. It doesn't have a built-in Nav system but I always find dedicated Garmin GPS units much better than the built in bike or car systems so I also have a Garmin XT. The fuel tank on the FJR is also 25 litres and it gest decent fuel consumption when cruising . . . and that big 144 HP four cylinder really snarls when you open it up.
Na, that stopped I think in 2020 due to the FJR not keeping up with the emission standards. I'm really surprised that they are still selling it in the States in 2023. Emissions are going to get even stricter in 2024, so I don't see Yamaha bringing it back here any time soon, plus big sport tours don't sell well in great numbers like they do in the States, it's more Adventure bikes that sell well in Europe.
Hello, I am undecided between the RT GT and which one would you prefer in terms of weight, ease of use, and comfort?🙏
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I talk about that, would I switch my RT for the GT, in this video.
@@NothingToProveSo can you translate?
Guess you have an iPhone, they are more difficult to connect, they require both wireless hub connectivity and Bluetooth. You only connect an Android phone with Bluetooth, to display the maps an Android uses Wi-Fi Direct and an Android phone can support up to 4 Wi-Fi Direct devices at the same time. Wi-Fi Direct is a simple peer to peer connection, similar to Bluetooth but faster. If you buy a cheap Android phone and put it in the phone pocket you essentially have a dedicated nav unit, you don't need a Sim card in it as you can hot spot it to your iPhone. I did 2,300 miles across Europe last year using a Samsung S10 and had two disconnects. After all the upgrades I have zero dis-connections.
How can BMW fit sat nav to their cars that work, why can't they get their bikes to work?
In the world of cars, GS and RT are buses, they are almost as maneuverable as cars. This is not bike this is additional equipment
Here’s to many more miles ( kilometres ) Scott. 👍
Hi Scott, good review as always. Was wondering if you’ve tried a Goldwing and how it compares to your RT. Any feedback? Thanks
If it's any consolation, I have the s1000xr and I ditched the onboard Bluetooth/nav and went Garmin too. Was just too unreliable and the audio skipped, also the BMW phone cradle spat my phone out on the mororway😂
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