I think you are a bit out of line, but not far off. I think adventure bikes are often better due to their more spacious rider triangle, longer suspension travel, and better ability to handle a wider range of roads when touring. They also crash better. I love this bike, but I'd take a GSA or Multistrada every time.
I think the RT is really good, but I also think you are a little bit smitten/honeymoon on this bike. For those needing more knee comfort the adventure bikes are hard to beat. Also, for the buzz at 85moh. In the USA going 10 over is completely reasonable (at this time) and many do this. For the people living in or going through the northern states 80 zones (SD, MT, ID, WY, UT, and NV) or living in or going through the southern 75 zones (TX, NM, AZ) these speeds would be a regular occurrence. Not to mention the 85mph toll road in TX of course, lol. Having ridden RT’s (and considering one to purchase atm) it is not a big deal. As a one bike garage these are really hard to beat (as is the GS and Super Adventures). The RT is a highly regarded all-rounder worldwide for great reasons, and is the lightest Full Touring bike at this time. I think you nailed the review overall, and really reinforces why I enjoy your point of view in general.
The RT has phenomenal history, especially in law enforcement, where many of its functions matter. Personally, I’m not deviating from my GS Adventure. Once I’m ready to stay off the backcountry and dirt, I’ll likely go for a K1600. The RT is…wait for it…too dainty for me. 😂
I call my 2019 RT my "have your cake and eat it too" bike. I can load it up for a trip to mountains, be totally comfortable on the trip. Great touring bike. When I get to the twisties, it's my sport bike. And it's my main commuter. Really, there is almost no direct competition to the RT. The last real competitor left is the Yamaha FJR1300, but it's no where near as sporty and it's not been updated in years. It's heavier and carries it's weight much higher. Still a great bike though. The other closest competitor is BMW's own K1600GT. Too heavy and carries it's weight too high for me. Something you missed. Fuel economy. I get between 46 to 47mpg in all around riding. Only the Goldwing can come close, but it has a much smaller tank. Another RT bonus you missed. Maintenance. Much easier than any competitor.
"Am I out of line calling this the best overall touring bike in the world?" Yes, you are. Depends on the type of "touring" and which brand of bike one wants to tour on. Your review was excellent. I would likely choose the RT...but there are other great options.
The 1250RT is an amazing weapon in the canyons. I owned a 2022 R1250RT and traded it in for a 1600GTL, After a year of owning the big 6 tourer, I went back to the 1250RT. It really is a great touring bike in my opinion. On the twisty roads the RT is nimble, fast, stable, not as smooth as the 6 cylinder1600, but it's no slouch and with the rider who's experienced, it'll run with the best sport bikes in the canyons in comfort. It's not a super bike,, but that was never it's designed intention. It truly is a spirited ride.
I’m looking at a K1600 GT, and the RT. Smoothness is my priority, followed by handling in the twisties. By far, most of the miles I ride are not in town. The K’s size/weight seems intimidating though. My current ride is a 2016 Multistrada, and I want to move to something more refined.
@@dinonoce I think you'll find this bike to be more refined than the multistrada and you'll have better protection from the elements on the RT. The K1600 GT, if it's anything like my K1200 GT will have the smoothest engine. The problem with the K1600 GT is that it's too heavy. You should also note the steering geometry is way different on the RT vs the K16GT. Turning will feel very different!
I agree, these videos take a huge effort to make and they are so authentically "home-made", and love his wife getting on the bikes, always hilarious during her cameos! 😊
20 years ago I was riding my Yamaha FJR with a friend who rode a 1100RT on a day when it was cold and misty wet. I've never been as cold on a motorcycle as I was on that day! During that ride my friend and I swapped bikes and I was shocked how much better the wind protection was on the RT, from head to toe. Not long after that experience I sold the FJR and bought a new 2005 RT and have been a happy RT owner since, upgrading since to a 2015 RT. Each year I do a trip with a group of 50+ riders and we do a lot of bike swapping over a 4-6 day period and I get to experience riding a wide variety of motorcycle brands - the RT IMHO is without a doubt the cream of the crop! Thanks for the great reviews Ian! Big Rock Moto is my favorite motorcycle UA-cam channel!!
Same experience for me. Dad rode one of the first RT1100’s and I rode a heli-bar modded ZX-11. Anyone that says a Jap sport tourer is on par with the RT (700 mile/day type riding) is lying to themselves.
I’m 6’ tall and 33 “ inseam and I never felt cramped on my RT. My IPhone Max fits into the phone compartment just fine and charges without a cord. Also, the map and the BMW app works just fine. I don’t know why people complain unless you’re way out in the country where there is no phone reception. It’s a great motorcycle, period.
@Boxer1250RT I saw another rider with 33 inch inseam said it was too cramped. I'm at 34 and trying to decide if it is right for me. Do you have standard or tall seat? Lowered pegs? What is your opinion on the gearshift assist pro? I'm currently riding a 2009 K1300S with shift assist and it works fine.
There is no need for wifi and bluetooth i have rt 24 my on loan i got connected but i havent bothered using it as its no great. Should be android auto /carplay
As an owner of a '22 RT, I agree with most of what you report in your video. with only a couple Exceptions. The quick shifter works very well when used in the right way. Upshift is smooth with power rolled on (when you want to accelerate hard and shift quick). The less the power, the rougher upshifting is. Down shifting is smooth when power is roll off... when you need to engine brake or decelerating for a corner. With power rolled on, like down shifting for a pass... its pretty rough. My Galaxy 22 Phone fits fine in the right glove box, when I take the Protective case off it. A G22+, G22Ultra or a Note won't fit, but those are portable Tablets, not phone. An added feature of the right side is, it has a built in wireless charger... you don't need that USB port. The BMW riding app is a little finicky, but I find Android Auto unusable so it is the lesser of 2 evils. Besides, Android Auto doesn't record statistics from your ride, like max G's in acceleration or deceleration, or steepest lean angle, it won't allow you to watch your entire ride in playback mode, or give you Statistical Highlights or... allow you to check your fuel levels while sitting on the couch. It's more than just a map. A couple things I Don't like about my RT? You weren't going 70 [cough82cough]... you were going [63]. The speedo-meter is 10% off with Stock Tires. This seems like a serious oversight that should not exist with a bike this refined. To be fair, every car I've purchased has the same issue. Second, the first Gear is really tall and it takes practice to not stall the bike, coming off the line. I might consider installing larger tires to fix the speedometer, but it would make 1st gear worse (and might mess with the handling). So, I'll live with it. Other than that, It is the perfect Street bike for ME, and unless there is a paradigm shift in Motorcycle technology or a way to break the laws of physics... the only thing that will replace my RT... is a newer RT (if they still exist in 20 years). I Am Groot.
I ordered my 22RT with the tubular bars mounted on 38mm up&out riser by Wunderlich. On the bars i have 2 Ram mounts with My Tomtom Rider(back up/alternate Nav) and a QuadLock mount with vibration dampener for my Iphone. Also from Wunderlich are the engine and pannier protection bars with highway pegs. Option 719 rims and topbox with taillight. I trade from a 2016 Triumph Trophy se to my RT. (Triumph stopped producing the Trophy in 2017; so really no other comparible bikes other then the RT). Love my RT's handling, it's weight distribution, comfort, performance... I could go on! I am finding that I don't get much more than 10,000 Kms on the rear tires. Nav has been good(not great) Speedometer is about 5-8 Kms/hr for me( I use the Tomtom for more accurate speeds). I clutch for 1st & 2nd gear then use the quickshifter. Michael from New Brunswick, Canada
I am totally with you. Yes, the speedo is way over reading which is a touch annoying. But that said I just love the bike and yes it does a little tall geared but when you actually get moving at all falls into place. I cannot believe just how good this machine is and how super practical letters at the same time as being comfortable. I had a multi Strada V4S before thisbike. I booked it new in 2024, but this bike is better for me. It certainly doesn’t really feel any slower. I prefer the brakes. I definitely prefer the luggage carrying with not having to have the key to unlock each case every time I wanted to get into it. The central locking here is fantastic . I also prefer the boxer engine engine.
Hi, I bought the 2014 model this January. No electronic suspension - only manual, however this bike is an amazing machine. I switched from a heavy Kawasaki Vulcan Voyager that served me very well for 3 years and I made over 26K miles on this. But, RT is just something else. I bought it in January (I live in Illinois) and I started to ride it right away. To this day I already made 12K miles on this thing and every ride is an exciting joy. It's not perfect, but it is so good. The combination of comfort, power and how flickable it is in twisties brings you joy all the time.
I think that the buzz, almost fades away after 1 hour or two of highway riding, when everything gets in the right place and is properly warmed. After the 10.000 kms Service, the buzz of the engine gets imperceptible 👌 Try riding it with the throttle on the dynamic mode and the suspension still in rode mode. It’s delicious!
@@michaelbrostowski7610 it’s possible on the RT to choose a ride mode and than in vehicle settings to choose in combination a different behavior for the suspension.
Hello from New Zealand, Thanks Ian for what I regard as some of if not the best motorcycle reviews and content on youtube.I appreciate the effort you put into your research and your down to earth, no nonsense approach to motorcycle journalism.Its really good that you include your partner Maggie in your reviews for an unbiased and genuine opinion on not just pillion accommodations but also what she actually thinks of the price and looks of the bikes you review which is actually very relevant and important to many people and potential buyers..Shes pretty cool also and a great addition to your vids.Your channel has quickly become my first port of call when I want info on a bike or just an informative and entertaining watch on one of my many youtube motorcycle binges...I watched your review of the V strom 1050 XT about 20 times and ended up buying one :) Thanks again mate and keep it up..185k subs is mega..this channel deserves a million..and when it reaches that which I have no doubt it will in time, I hope people read this comment. cheers.
Now that the R 1300 GS is out, BMW Motorrad can you please give us a slimmed down (less bulbous) modern front end, reduced weight, especially unsprung, Android Auto and Apple Car Play, a proper phone compartment, speaker delete, more color options, etc. Thanks!
I test rode this bike and can say I was blown away on how it feels and handle. Unfortunately I have a k1600 and this would be perfect for single ride through the country. Good review as always. I also think its great you include Maggie in your videos. She was honest and genuine. When she said the price is just right, she knows what a good machine cost. Most people are reluctant to put all that money down on these bikes. But if you can afford it, its worth every penny as it will give you priceless memories. Plus when you sell your bike, your actually spending less if you think about it. The experience and life moments you gain is worth it.
You said it, why buy a different bike. The RT is the worlds best bike for any rider who is serious about having the best bike for long rides, of anything type of road. So some might say “well I ride in slow traffic and in town”. Ok, go buy a Vespa and be happy. Having owned over 35 motorcycles for over 40 years and have three in the garage now, i wish one of them was a 1250 RT and it’s definitely on my list to get one. I sold my 2009 R1200RT and I do miss it all the time. I will say that the big TFT display does not turn me on (Because it doesn’t do Apple CarPlay). I like the GPS unit to be separate, like a NAV V or NAV VI unit.
BMW fanboy here. I have a 2018 R1200RT with full options, and a 2015 R9T classic. I love them both. The RT of this generation is just phenomenal. Same chassis as this R1250RT, and I bought an aftermarket phone holder/wireless charger that plugs straight into the factory BMW nav prep. It allows me to use the phone for everything. It is just an awesome touring bike.
I own a 2014 R1200 RT, and everything you’ve said about this new bike rings absolutely true. My friends on sport bikes are amazed at how well my bike handles.
I had a Yamaha FJR1300 for many years and I loved the engine and the way it rode. IF Yamaha would actually update that bike to more modern standards, I'd say that it would be in contention with the RT.
But what do you realy miss? I have a fully equipped 2015 RT but do I need it all? No. That I appreciate is cruise control, electric windshield and 25L tank. No need for radio qs central locking riding modes I never change and so on. Next RT who is a very good design for long haul riding will be dressed down.
no it wouldn't, it's not even near the same league as an RT. I've owned 2 FJRs and now an R1200RT, it makes an FJR feel like a dump truck in the mountains.
@@monkeyCmonkeyDoo I have a K1600 & FJR no comparison. BMW is better in every way. Have been looking at the RT and may have to rent one to find out if better than a K16
Coming off a FJR (for nearly 17 years), a test ride on the RT did not give me a WAAW feeling. No major complaints about the RT, but the chemistry wasn't there. Subsequently, a test ride on a K1600GT, and I ordered it upon return at the dealer. Haven't looked back since...
K1600T sounds great! Unfortunately, I'm getting pretty old (74) and top heavy bikes kinda scare me. I think that I'm going to have to look at smaller, lower bikes when it's time to buy again.@@chrisdurie3651
Your best review I have seen so far, Ian. I own a 2022 RT in the Racing Blue color, and had it in for it’s 12000 mile maintenance last week. All valves were within specification and did not need adjusting. I ordered my bike from the factory with no radio and saved $600. The large TFT display, headlight coverage at night, easily adjustable windshield, LOUD horn, adaptive cruise control, helmet fitting panniers, and overall quality feel of the bike keep me very happy while riding it. The only negative I had was the cramped leg space. I am 5’11” with a 32” inseam. After a couple hours on the bike I needed to get off and stretch my legs. However, I purchased the Wunderlich foot peg lowering kit and installed it myself. The kit lowered the pegs only slightly, but after one long camping trip the past summer, seems to have made a difference and improved my comfort. There is hardly a day I take the bike out that I do not get a compliment on it. It was nice seeing Maggie, and please ride safe.
I sold my RT for the Goldwing. To be honest I’ll never go back to the RT for various reasons. The Golgwing has superior ergonomics, better comfort, smoother engine by far, lower center of gravity, more stable in corners due to its longer wheelbase. What I liked about the RT better was its quality of finishings, baggage size and removal possibilities and perhaps better lighting. Overall the wing to me is a superior motorcycle. Oh yes, the wing sounds allot better too, it has reverse gear plus DCT , unlike the clunky gear shift of the RT and although looks are subjective, the Goldwing is better looking. Oh wait, I’m not finished…. Apple car play. A godsend on the Wing. Great and accurate review
I did 3 weeks on an Advanced Police Motorcycle course on the 1200 version. Totally converted me. Insanely agile for something so big. The suspension soaks up real world imperfections and enables very rapid 'progress'. If you know, you know.
Excellent review! Mine is a 2022 - great bike. I totally agree with your “cons”. I am 6 feet tall and recently added peg lowering and handlebar raise kits. Much more comfortable for my 65 year old body!
After putting 160 000 mostly enjoyable kilometers on my RT I said, “okay, but never again.” The small problems added up and, compared to my other bikes, maintenance costs were higher than they ought to be. However, now that I’m 72 I’m looking at the RT as a possible choice if it uses the new GS1300cc engine and (here’s the kicker) it has reverse assist like the Goldwing and the K1600. Hey, a fella can dream!
@monkeyCmonkeyDoo HA for this money it should have reverse... don't forget how much money BMW is going to make after the sale... maintenance $$$ galore..
I had 2 RT but went to K16 as found touring RT loaded the weight was unmanageable at times with no reverse. Now the K16 with reverse is easier every day although a lot heavier than RT and the gear box is better and engine performance is well just more and smooth. Having said that I’d go back to RT if it had reverse I suppose as long term at my age it being a bit lighter is easier all round and I suspect maintenance long term on the K16 will cost quite a bit more than the RT …. With the 1300 apparently coming I don’t want to be buying a 1250 of the 1300 comes with reverse so for now I guess I stick with the Big K 🤷♂️
I’m on my 6th RT since 95, it is the best, I add another bike then don’t ride it that much I end up selling it. My RT now is an 18, will be going to a 2024 after the new yr. Just buy one you will never regret it.
What about the cost of them wrenching on it.... if I am riding @ 10k miles per year? @ $5k per year? Honestly, I love this bike but know that anything from BMW is freaking expensive to maintain.
Thanks for the real rider review. This will be my next favorite bike once I can get it used under 20k. Many of the 22’s were shipped without adaptive cc or a radio. The Weight is key with this bike. Bar backs and some highway pegs and you are every bit as comfy on a long stretch as any premium bagger (a litttle bow legged). I ridden these and had a GS with essentially the same motor and suspension. The way you can throw this bike around in the twisties and plush ride long range is amazing. At 60, anything over about 600 lbs just seems like effort. The boxer makes it feel under 600 lbs to me. Ps. If you ride a fully loaded GS in the dirt you will find very fast it is not a dirt bike. It a long range team required adventure bike. GS is the best made bike I’ve had but picking it up in the rocks can be a team sport. Thanks for showing your wife on the back seat.. my wife could be her sister in looks and size. My wife drives sometimes and I need a big back seat. Thanks for confirming nearly every reason I was planning on RT.
I have to say, THIS is probably your best review so far. Not just because I agree with you on nearly every point, but because the specifics you chose to compare and contrast regarding the competition is so spot on. Absolutely the electric windscreen is better than the smaller, manual version on my GSA. Certainly EVERY bike over twenty grand should come with lighted switches, adaptive cruise control, a proper cell phone compartment, and CarPlay integration. True as well, the integrated *symmetrically* sized, central locking, side cases (due to the lower, reality-oriented exhaust pipe) are superior to my $1800 aluminum aftermarket cases I added to my R1250 GSA. On the other hand, I too would be embarrassed to be heard blasting my music through the the dashboard speakers (as my Harley-riding brothers are so want to do).Seriously boys, the WORLD has heard "Freebird" more than enough. However, as you say, compared to my GSA, the RT's legroom is noticeably cramped for my 6 foot frame. So, until BMW is ready to update the RT to the new 1300cc engine, AND take care of the issues mentioned above, I'm sticking with my bike. And one more thing--it's about time you finally gave Maggie a proper passenger seat to check out, as opposed to all the damn Dirt Bikes you forced her to suffer through in her previous videos!!! How she puts up with you I have no idea!
I live in a rural area. Fortunately it's been a couple of months since I last heard a Harley go by. It was blaring ZZ Top Sharp Dressed Man for everyone in half a mile to listen to.
It's funny to me when someone cites the "issues above" as reason to forego a particular motorcycle, especially a phenomenal one such as this. I will NEVER use CarPlay; don't need a cellphone compartment (one size never fits all); don't need lighted switches as my finger know where they are after a few rides (they are pretty though); and I absolutely despise "adaptive" cruise control which always slows me at inopportune times and has no freaking idea what close following is. Definitely a feature that should be defeatable in the menu. I'd rather they make all of those things an optional "Tech Package" for farkle fiends and let me forego the additional cost, complexity and reliability issues.
@@tibortoczauer7985 I'm forgoing the RT because I already have a bike I'm happy with, not because BMW doesn't offer lighted switch gear or Carplay--my bike doesn't have those features either. When I first read your comment, I thought you were making fun/dissing the guys who claimed those features/options were of no value--then I realized YOU were saying those features (and all the rest) are of no value to YOU! Now THAT'S funny! But not as funny as a guy who rear ends the truck in front of him because he turned of his "despicable" adaptive cruise control--that would be HYSTERICAL!
@@rayfriedman6107 um, direct quote from rayfriedman "So, until BMW is ready to update the RT to the new 1300cc engine, AND take care of the issues mentioned above, I'm sticking with my bike." Any reading of that "until" would mean that you're sticking with your bike till BMW fixes those "issues". Hysterical??? Are you medicated? Why would anyone who turns off their insipid radar cruise, rear end a truck??? That's what eyes and a brain are for. Watch the road, process the danger and act accordingly. If you need adaptive cruise to not hit the truck in front of you, you shouldn't be on the road. The reason I despise adaptive cruise control is that I do not want my ride dictated by mindless morons in cages. I get so tired of the lack of speed discipline by today's drivers. Every dummy that plays with his/her coffee, radio, phone, etc., drives erratically. The same goes for every time they go uphill or downhill. How many fools have you followed that go 20 over on downhills and 10 under on uphills? I love the fact that a motorcycle can quickly get around those morons and not be stuck behind them. Adaptive cruise lets you sit there and slow down and speed up at whatever rate someone else chooses. I don't want to be able to look around and check out the scenery while my bike is keeping me safe. I want to pay attention and RIDE. If you need adaptive cruise, you are part of the problem.
very professionally created content. I loved the term independent journalism. I just like read an article in motorcycle magazine that I had read years ago before youtube era. Thanks a lot. Keep up good work
At least the running lights are not obnoxious. Running lights on late model cars and motorcycles are getting comically ridiculous looking. Two things on the tech.. one, who wants heavy speakers on the motorcycle? Not many. I've spoken to many RT owners and dealer sales people and a speaker delete is something almost universally wanted, two, c'mon BMW just give us Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. No owner wants a wonky OEM app. BTW, never have I ever actually heard the speakers of an RT playing, unlike the Harley crowd which projects their banality onto everyone around them with an audio assault of loud pipes and blasting music. Ditch the speakers, give us CarPlay/Android Auto. 100% on the controls not being back-lit, huge oversight.
I own a BMW CE 04 and the experience of having to use their custom app, which requires keeping your phone on, communicate with a phone-to-bike WiFi connection that doesn’t reliably establish, and then when it does “map mode” often refuses to start. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been effectively without navigation while I try combinations of app, bike, phone and WiFi restarting. It’s totally ridiculous and most importantly, I will absolutely not purchase a BMW motorcycle in the future as long as they keep insisting on their own UI. It’s a completely doomed waste of resources for them, outside of their expertise, and results in a miserable customer experience. Let it go BMW.
@@Winter-zv1dvDucati does the same thing. I don't understand why they spend so much money and time reinventing the wheel when they could follow Honda in using CarPlay and Android Auto. I don't need a janky manufacturer app when Google Maps already does a decent job with traffic routing. I can use a proper offroad app when I hit the dirt. As for speakers on a bike, hello hearing loss... if you have earplugs on you can't hear them.
Leave it to the Germans who thinks their tech is better than the rest of the world 😂 Totally unacceptable for a bike north of 20k! While I may agree with you the bike absolutely rocks in terms of engine, handling, looks, etc. But again that is to be accepted for a brand known more for performance above anything else. But the best long distance ST? Not for me. Give me a Yamaha FJR anyday or I'll stick to my trusty Honda VFR
I have had 3 RTs, and they have been fantastic bikes. I probably have at least 100K miles total on them. I have never purchased one new however. I usually get one a few years old. You can find these used from really good owners, who followed the maintenance exactly as requires, with decently low miles on them.
Can i ask why youve had three? It seems like an oddly common number to have among RT owners. Just a matter of circumstance, or trading up? Did they encounter issues? It just seems that, more than any other bike, owners love it but have owned multiple ones in a short period of time 😅
@ Nah, I am just really old, been riding a long, long time. And I use my bikes more like a car for transportation, than just a weekend toy or hobby. And, I purchase used, not new. I have an FJR right now. I like it, but I loved my RTs. Waiting for that 1300 RT to show up, 1250 RT prices will drop, and I can then afford another one👍✊. Oh, and I had common issues like surging, ABS, ~final drive and fuel system. But, they never left me stranded, and the final drive may have been okay and I got ripped off. Never had a problem on the FJR.
@@TimRHillard I figured things ended with those bikes on good terms. Everyone is always positive about their ownership experiences, but I swear there's a weird number of 3 time owners commenting on YT 😂
I have a 2019 RT 1250, moved up from a 1200R which I'd had for seven years. I find it a luxurious ride, a proper grand tourer. I ride quite fast but never feel the need to move the settings out of "road" and "auto" (suspension adjustment). I love how precise the handling is, you can put it exactly where you want it. Performance is thrilling, the shiftcam technology was exactly what the boxer needed because it just couldn't breathe at high revs. This one happily snarls it way to the top of the rev range. Top gear acceleration from 70 mph to oblivion is amazing. I'm 6-ft with long legs and arms (34 inseam). I ride with the standard seat on the high setting. (You could have pointed out there is a low, standard and high seat available, each with two settings). This means I easily flat-foot the bike when sitting at the front or middle of the saddle, but can't quite do it when sitting at the very back of the saddle (broadest part). This is ideal for me. If you chose the high seat in the high setting I think a guy of 6ft 6ins would be comfortable. Regarding the bars, I think I have longer arms than you because I don't need to lean in at all: I sit upright. The big seat means you can shuffle forward and backwards to relieve the stresses of a long journey. The radio is fine in town, something to listen to at traffic lights, but on the open road it's irrelevant. I suspect this might be the best touring bike in the world, but can't confirm it because I haven't ridden its rivals. But I love twins and appreciate their character: people who aspire to smoothness above all else might prefer the Goldwing or K1600. But these suckers face a significant weight penalty with either!
I own a 2014 RT 1st yr water cooled. 28,000 miles trouble free. I would say the ergos are the same, I put on a different screen and like it better than stock. Love this bike. Great for a cheaper alternative than new but have heard great things about the 1250 vs my 1200. Definitely want to try the new 1300 if I can get my hands on one to ride when available. Thx Ian, good review as usual.
28k in 10 years ? ..since you barely ride you are throwing your money away… coupled with the fact there is very little mechanical difference between you current bike and the 23’… the host of soon to malfunction electronic gimmicks is the only major difference…
Had a pan st1100 for 3 yrs dealer finally convinced me to take a 1200rt and boy was it a ton lighter and handled so much better than the pan. I rode it London city traffic shame never toured on it (kids too young for daddy leave) It looks deceptively huge but the weight is low down . Had it for 10 yrs u r absolutely right about how capable it is
Probably the best motorcycle review I have seen on UA-cam so far! Thorough and informative. Very enjoyable. Bought one of these today (before seeing your review)...
Agree, BMW RT is all round best motorcycle, forgiving, tracks like it's on rails, easy maintenance, , giant fuel tank, easy on the eyes. Check it out, BMW RT almost 300 lbs lighter than GW. Great review.
I've been an RT fan since 1998 and I've owned several other BMWs over the years...My 2020 RT meets all my expectations! I've got long legs, so I installed a foot peg lowering kit. My wife, 4-8" and 90 lbs is super comfy on it. In fact, she reports the RT is more comfy than the 2016 GSA, even with its custom saddle!
Best touring bike in the BMW line up, and in motorcycling today. No other touring bike can match it in terms of handling and fun to ride in the twisty roads and still provide the comfort and ease of long days on the interstate.
Have the previous generation, the 2019 RT, and I plan to keep it many many years. Of course the new headlights + the adaptative cruise control + the large LCD screen are nice features, but they are not worth the change. The 19 is such a confortable bike, ready for long trips.
I've ridden a 2002 RT-P since 2006 and a 2012 GSA since 2012. With the exception of the electronic gizmos and big screen TV, my 21 years older RT has all of the same features - adjustable windshield, accessory plugs, excellent luggage, etc. I was amazed at how many features have remained constant over the years! The engine sounds are still incredibly similar! Regarding the lack of handlebar illumination, most of my RT-P riding is year-round commuting in the Seattle-area. I almost always have the handlebar covers installed. I haven't seen my switchgear in - literally - years. Add handlebar covers and you'll quickly remember where the switches are!
I own a 2022 RT identical in spec and color to your test bike. I would agree with your assessment of this superlative touring motorcycle. I have been riding for 60 years with many different bikes. This is the best motorcycle for my needs, 2-up long distance touring, I have owned.
Great review Ian. There's no way I can justify putting $27k into a bike - well actually it's close to my budget for 3 bikes, dual sport, adv, tour/commute. So, yeah I spent the money, but it's 3 bikes for 3 purposes. I have the '07 RT, and am not tempted to upgrade. I love it. 82k miles. Couple significant points. It's light enough that I use it for commuting 35 miles to work almost daily. It's not a big production to back it out of the garage and run to the store. That makes a huge difference. I note that these new ones have gained a bit of weight. 2nd is the luggage. I leave the side bags on the shelf and use the 49L top case. I have my rain gear neatly folded on one side, still room for my laptop bag, backpack of gym stuff, etc. At the office, that stuff comes out and my helmet and gloves fit in. This is a big deal for daily use. The world's best bike is the one for you that fits your particular needs, and on the street, the RT is it for me. (Plus the KTM 350 EXCF and soon to be 660 Tuareg, 27k all in cuz I'm good with buying used.)
...hi from Germany 👍 my 1250 RT is a fighter bomber...more than 100kg lighter than a Goldwing...243 kmh top speed on an open German highway...and curves in low mountain ranges? incredibly easy to ride, better than GS...Hard to beat! Super athletes cry! And the driver with his FJR 1300 thought he had more horsepower 🤔🤐😉 unfortunately his chassis wasn't up to par with the RT and he ended up in a wire fence! (Thank God no injuries 👍) the best thing I've ever ridden...600,000km on a motorcycle and then came the RT! I now have a second one (1200 built in 2009) for the winter. I love 🤟 this motorcycle! great tours, you are absolutely right! Biker greetings, Udo 😎🤘🫶
Another great review. I find myself watching your reviews even when they're about bikes I don't really care about. That's not the case this time. The RT is a fantastic bike and I've rented a few for some multi-state trips and enjoyed them thoroughly. I have had two GTLs because I felt it was superior for smoothness, comfort and power for two-up riding with my wife, but I'll probably move to an RT next time around now that its power to weight ratio is much improved. My solo touring bike right now is a GSA, even though I don't go "offroad". I was really torn between it and the RT, but I'll give you a couple of reasons why I picked it aside from superior leg room (6' 33" inseam). That extra suspension travel makes the thing suck up every darn bump in the road, and when you're travelling a couple thousand miles, those hits add up. No other bike has ever given me such a smooth ride over bone-jarring crap roads in California or any other state. Second, even though the GSA will not keep you as protected as the RT in a frontal rain or wind assault, when you're riding through a strong sidewind, it is superior. The wind tends to blow through the GSA and not push the fairing and saddlebags like it does on the RT. (I mostly ride with a bag behind me on the passenger seat, instead of with wind-catching saddlebags). I've had more than my share of what felt like 30-40 degree pitched rides. I like that the GSA has a lot less trouble in those sidewinds. Lastly, even though I think the RT is the prettier bike, when riding solo I like to remove saddlebags to save weight and make the bike more aero. The RT looks like hell, whereas the GSA still looks... like a GSA ;) Great content; keep'em coming ;)
I had an RT back in 2014, it lasted about five months - the dad bike thing! But that was a 1200, after one K1600 (too heavy!!) and three 1250 GS and GSA’s I might well go for another RT next, but I’ll wait for the 1300. And it’s nothing to do with me being 10 years older!!!! The final drive ratio is also interesting, my GSA gets very vibey at 5k which is 90 mph ish. Bring on the 1300. Thanks Ian.
Bought a 2022 R1250 RT, and have one little niggle, being 6'5" tall and 275# and old at 66. The seat gives me hot spots in 60-75 minutes of riding, every single time. I am looking into a Russell Day Long seat customization. Probably worth every single penny. Other than that, the bike is absolutely amazing how it rides in the canyons when riding around on a fuel tank with 2 or less gallons left in it. Definitely more flickable. Also, if not needed for a day ride, the bags are also easily quickly removable, to lower the weight of the bike. All these little details make the bike closer and closer to a GS in weight. Quite a few 2022 RT's were released early in production without Adaptive portion of the cruise control ( radar) and also without the $600 amplifier for the radio to work. Which is OK, I already have a Cardo packtalk Edge for radio.
Ian, this is one of the best reviews on the latest BMW RT. All points are covered with great detailed riding impressions for those seeking more in depth understanding of this ride. I really appreciate the thoughtfulness put into these reviews. So many just try and wing it and don't deliver. This is a huge departure from that. Briefly comparing this with the Yamaha MT09 SP was very interesting. The fact you would actually prefer this over the MT09 SP says allot. Yes, the MT09 is going to be somewhat sportier... but, as you point out, it simply isn't as usable overall. The balance between comfort, power, and light weight agility puts the RT into it's own category. Even compared with the Tracer 9 GT+, the seat and ride comfort is better. That's the magic with this bike. It offers enough mass to make it's ride plush and silky for longer day rides. While at the same time offering agile sport handling, depending on the ride and suspension settings. The mixture of these two aspects, makes it the most useful of sports tourers... perhaps even sports bikes. Look at it this way... how much time do most riders spend in the twisties? Competitively less than the time getting there and leaving there. Also, even the fastest sport bikes can only negotiate twisties within the limits of the road vs the bike. If an RT can keep up... what's the advantage? Yes, sweepers will be excelled by true sports bikes... but not by much. When compared to the GT 1600 series this becomes ever apparent. The same BMW technology and craftsmanship in the 1600 platform can't give the same riding characteristics as the RT. The extra plush smoothness of the heavier 1600 series, simply loses too much of the sporty nimbleness... not as fun of a ride. Too much downside... this is when bigger no longer means better. The slight drawback of a bit of buzz and hum at certain rpm's is a reminder that the RT is still a motorcycle and not a sports car. I think it adds to the character of the overall experience. It is also so easy to simply adjust the speed and gearing to avoid those slight rpm ranges, that it really isn't a problem. Gord
I absolutely agree with you, what can I say… I owned a ‘17 1200RT and now I ride a ‘23 1250RT, my best bike ever!! Good vídeo dude! Greetings from Spain ✌️✌️✌️✌️
Excellent review, absolutely spot on. The best review of this bike. I have it’s predecessor the 1200RT and yes they really are the best tourer and all round fun bike! 👍
I own a 2018 R1200RT (with top box) & 2018 Goldwing. I love both bikes. I live in a city (Las Vegas) & my daily rider is my R1200. I use it for grocery shopping and everything else. I love it because it’s so nimble even at slow speeds (traffic/parking lots). My issue is after a couple of hours of riding is my knees are hurting badly on both bikes. I installed highway pegs on my Goldwing which help a lot. I enjoy both bikes but I use the R1200 for daily riding and the Goldwing for long trips.
The RT is a fabulous bike no doubt about it but can be rather pricey if purchased new. I chose a 2019 model with a 2 year BMW warranty saved myself almost 10k. Obviously it doesn’t have the adaptive cruise capability or TFT likewise the restyled headlights but I can live with that no problem.
Honestly Ian, I was on the fence between the GS and RT up until I signed the papers. I left with the 2020 GSA HP. I have zero regrets but imagine I would have felt the same with the RT. Some of the colors of the new RT are awesome, especially the blue IMO. I agree so much with the non backlit switches being a problem. I have as well as many other Beemer riders complaining about this. It's not like there's only 3 or 4 switches on the bars but tons. Unacceptable especially at a price point for a premium bike. BMW wasn't listning to its base consumers. Even the release of the new GS 1300 does not come with backlit switches. (not liking the look of the 1300) another story for another day lol. This new RT is really a thing of beauty in my eyes and I might trade in the GSA and end up with an RT in my garage.
Kudos to an amazing, amazing review Ian!! I have seen so many other reviews but none of them come close to your review!! I am someone new to the motorcycling world but who's always had that dream of getting on a BMW R 1250 RT. I can see why it is an amazing balance of performance, comfort, agility. I learned so much from this single video than all the other videos I watched!
What a fantastic presenter! Tried this bike twice and thought it was a bit pipe n slippers but like BMW cars and bikes you have to own them to bond properly!
6' even wearing Vans. The dealership didn't have one when i test rode the '23 GSA. Love my the gsa! However, i still want to give this a fair assessment one day. Ha! Roll of the dice says I'll be riding one this time next year. My only concern is the leg room as i tend to move side to side quite often in the twisty's. Best moto vloger on the you tubes. Keep smiling!
I Own a 23 RT. I don't get a buzz in the bars, but I don't ride at those speeds either, You may be getting something from the windshield depending on how you have it adjusted. Try changing the windshield angle slightly,
Excellent review and my thoughts exactly on the RT. I’ve owned four of these bikes and a friend of mine who has a Goldwing is now buying the RT. He rode mine a few days ago and loves the lightness and the overall handling with the low center of gravity.
Hey man! Amazing review! Im about to buy an RT and have seen many reviews, and this is DEFINITELY the best and most complety review. Thank you very much!
After many years riding BMW, the last one the RT1150, I bought a GL1800 solo, that was over 20 years ago and I still have a GL1800 ( but since 2014 a reversed trike) It is my main means of transport (since 1984 I do everything by motorbike, solo, sidecar and/or trike, I often had more then one motorbike) Handling of the R1150 was excellent, the ABS worked really well. For me it was comfort, I fit better on a GL1800, and then there is that massive 1800cc engine
They are the bike of choice for our Police here in Australia, and I guess the reason is the bikes ability to provide all day comfort on the road, great handling and performance. Love your motorcycle reviews Ian. Best on UA-cam.
...the best overall touring bike in the world. That's a bold statement sir. You are nonetheless correct. My'16 R1200RT is the best mile eater I've ever owned. Combination of weight, power, handling, and comfort make it so. Not a bad bike for short trips due to the light weight. It's also my cold weather bike due to the wonderful wind protection. Someone mentioned buffeting. Maybe if you are 8' tall. I feel hardly and wind with the screen in the top position. Excellent review.
I own a 2017 Triumph Trophy SE but this was the second option. The only issue was the price.... They wanted over $30K back in 2017 and I paid $22K for my Trophy SE. With the leftover, $8K i bought a V-nose motorcycle trailer. Unfortunately they dropped the Trophy model that year because of the demand for ADV bikes. This BMW is a nice bike the fit and finish is perfect. But the price of BMW's is getting out of control..Almost like everything nowadays.
Triumph Trophy is a sweet looking tourer. I own a 2018 Tiger 1200 with that killer 1215cc triple. 55,500 miles all mine so far. Fantastic machine. If Triumph still made the Trophy, I’d have one in my garage right now.
Great review Ian, I own a 2017 R1200RT and recently completed a two week ride from Spokane Washington up into Canada and then back to New Jersey. Im shopping now for a new bike and like many have been bit by the GSA fever. However after my ride which ran into a lot of bad weather I agree for high speed long distance touring the RT BMW cannot be beat. Plus, if I find myself ridding off road it probably means I missed the curve.
Glad you like the bike, I had a 2007 RT and I guess they hadn't worked out the bugs... On mine the engine vibration that you felt in your hands was unbearable. And then on the very same day that I picked mine up from the dealership… Stuck in some NYC traffic it was about 80° outside the bike kept overheating (I know its oil cooled) but it got insanely hot and shut off three times, I had to be towed back to the dealership… Later purchased a K 1200 GT, then a K1600 GTL... and the last purchase was a 2023 K1600B and it is AWESOME, handles like a light bike... Very maneuverable and fun to ride. Keep the reviews coming safe riding 🏍
The worst part about motorcycles is buying one and then realizing you make a poor choice. There always seems to be a motorcycle that would have “fit” you better.
@@NalinKhurbMost places either don't allow test rides or just a short one around the parking lot. There's no way to test for wind buffeting or rider ergos at highway speeds.
This is my bike! I admire your restraint when describing the truly horrible navigation system. It didn’t work at all with my iPhone 13. For $100 I got an android and it works about 80% of the time. I bought an iPhone 14 not max, so a normal sized phone and it doesn’t fit. I installed a phone mount and on a 400 mile ride the bike lost WiFi connection about a dozen times. Car Play is great. This is not. For passenger comfort I installed a Sargent backrest. I didn’t want a trunk.
I recently added the radio to my '22 R1250RT (wasn't avail. when Berlin built my bike) I like playing the radio through the speakers while at a rest stops/washing the bike/etc. and through the helment while moving. This bike was a major performance upgrade from my '06 R1200RT. I won't split lanes while the side cases are mounted.
I had the BNW 1300 RT GT, four in line....this was a dressed up super bike, awesome power and luxurious comfort to mention a few details. I loved the bike and I believe will compare easily with yhe new modern RT's. This is in South Africa. Blessings from South Africa.🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Nice review, Ian and I agree with your take on the bike. I test rode one to compare against my K1600 GTL, but it didn't fit my 6'5" 230 lb self (most of today's bikes don't, to be fair). i've had the K16 going on 5 years, the ergonomics and forward lean is close to the RT, but I still needed an aftermarket windscreen and saddle to make it fit. I get a thrill putting lots of touring miles on it and its a keeper.
Great review Ian! I recently took my Victory Vision to a track day. Had a blast and the big girl didn't embarrass herself but for a next bike I definitely see myself heading towards the RT. 17" rubber, lighter and better cornering clearance... Fits where I'm headed as a commuter, tourer, and skills class regular.
I had am RT, an older model, before my Vision. It's not a sofa, as the Vision, and its worse problem is that you cannot change position, something I can do on my Vision and choose between many different positions. But the suspensions and weight are really better. However, now at 70, I added a Duke 690 to the Vision as a safety boat, and now I'm thinking of changing it for a 890 R before I'm too old... :-)
Great review Ian, you are certainly building an authentic and hugely valuable catalogue of videos and reviews. My two cents as an S1000XR (2016) owner who has ridden both a 2020 & 2021 RT more and more with UK Blood Bikes is, I may end up swapping mine for one of these. As you know the XR is phenomenal, but license threatening. The RTs are more comfortable, not short of power at real road speeds and handle brilliantly. Also, well built. Our Blood Bike RTs have 58k and 59k miles each, used by multiple riders and not given quite as much love as a personal bike and they’re still tight and lovely to ride. Best wishes from across the pond.
I like setting my cruise to 90 or "so" in the desert. I don't think the manufacturer should restrict that. They don't know the circumstances in which they'll be used. Upright tourers make so much sense for the majority of riders. It's only a matter of time before they become the most popular tourers.
It's not restricted by speed, it will work all the way to 137mph. What is limited is the Active Cruise Control(distance control), it's limited to 99 because if someone pulls out in front of you over 100, it will emergency brake. Turn off the ACC and the cruise control works to its max speed.
I had a 2016 RT and currently have a Goldwing. I agree that the RT has no compromises. While I love my Wing, I miss the RT when the road gets twisty. Also, I argue that for the 90% of GS riders who never go off-road, the RT is a better option unless you’re very tall. It handles much better and is more stable in almost all on-road situations.
Really terrific review - Thanks! You didn't mention the shift-cam engine (maybe you did for GS review). I had an 18 RT which was last model b4 this was added. Also, a mention would be pretty good fuel economy. I ride back roads at typically no more that 60 MPH. On my 18 RT it was not uncommon to get 60MPG (verified by old-school fill up calculator math). I bought my RT from San Jose BMW and was VERY pleased with the way they treated me thru ordering, delivery & service. I moved to Idaho and the only dealership is horrible. I dreaded going in for the next major service so much I traded the bike for a Versys 1000. I'm happy with the Kawasaki but REALLY miss the BMW. Thanks again for the info on newest iteration.
What a beauty. I have the RS with many of the same features. Having ridden mostly S's and RS's, I've always enjoyed the more sporty riding position. Plus never riding with a pillion, the RS makes more sense for me. I enjoy all the tech, but have recently bought a RE Continental GT 650 and enjoy the simplicity and the sportiness of it. But my g310gs is also one of my favorites. 👍👍5🏍🙋♂️
Great review as always! I am very happy with my 2022 RT. I have added bar risers and a foot peg lowering kit. With my seat in the high position, this bike is very comfortable. I do not feel that the peg lowering kit compromises performance on twisty roads. I will upgrade at some point if they add a bigger motor, blindspot monitoring, and Apple CarPlay.
I have an RS which is in a lot of ways the same as this bike. The key point I'm making is the motor and where it puts the weight. If you had to take a mild gravel road to connect to another road. Or to make it to that camp spot you want to go to. You don't need a GS to get you there. These bikes will comfortably do 35 mph on a mild gravel road. If you have ever been on a street oriented bike on a gravel road, you will understand what I'm saying. They are very sketchy. The boxer motor, and where it puts the weight. Makes these bike extremely versatile.
I have a '23RT and I do love my bike and have owned several BMWs. BUT, here's my list. The seat is uncomfortable after an hour or so. A gel pad didn't help so a Russel day long is on order. The Tech sucks except for the adaptive cruise which works well. The charge cradle basically won't charge iPhones (yes I've tried positioning, cover on/off etc and the cradle got replaced under warranty and still doesn't work.). The integrated NAV is not great as has been talked about below. The radio antenna cuts out all the time especially with satellite radio. My 2015RT didn't have these issues except for the seat. I lost my R1250RS in a crash last year and replaced it with my '23RT but I kind of wish I'd gotten a "21 to have my old RT features with the newer engine.
Hi Ian, I have an older RT and agree with your comments except for the back-lit control issue. Yes, an expensive bike like this should have this feature but it doesn't take a year yo get used to the control position- 2-3 weeks and you don't think about it. One thing I really like about the in-built rear mirrors: as they're fixed you see what's behind you when you're reversing. I find it more difficult to manoeuvre a bike with bar-mounted mirrors. Thanks for your reviews- love your work.
Outstanding review Ian thanks, really enjoying your channel more so since you started covering off road bikes too. So the RT secret is out……yes I do own one so perhaps I’m biased but they really are that good. Filtering wise the mirrors are actually the widest point would you believe additionally they need to delete the radio for back lit switches and android/apple software 👍. Les 🇬🇧
On lane filtering, with the earlier versions of the oil head beginning in 1994 (I think), the RT had the option of "city" lids and "touring" lids. City lids were narrower (not capable of holding a full-face helmet) but they were no wider than the handlebar ends so you knew you could negotiate between vehicles based on that (CHP bikes were so equipped for that purpose). Switching out between City or Touring lids wasn't an issue for non-law enforcement riders. I had a 1996 R1100RS with both cases. Never should have sold it! BTW, love your new place.
I like it when you get Maggie's take on the bikes. The better-half's rating is an important metric to consider and no other reviewers that I know of offer this datum.
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I think you are a bit out of line, but not far off. I think adventure bikes are often better due to their more spacious rider triangle, longer suspension travel, and better ability to handle a wider range of roads when touring. They also crash better. I love this bike, but I'd take a GSA or Multistrada every time.
I think the RT is really good, but I also think you are a little bit smitten/honeymoon on this bike. For those needing more knee comfort the adventure bikes are hard to beat. Also, for the buzz at 85moh. In the USA going 10 over is completely reasonable (at this time) and many do this. For the people living in or going through the northern states 80 zones (SD, MT, ID, WY, UT, and NV) or living in or going through the southern 75 zones (TX, NM, AZ) these speeds would be a regular occurrence. Not to mention the 85mph toll road in TX of course, lol. Having ridden RT’s (and considering one to purchase atm) it is not a big deal. As a one bike garage these are really hard to beat (as is the GS and Super Adventures). The RT is a highly regarded all-rounder worldwide for great reasons, and is the lightest Full Touring bike at this time. I think you nailed the review overall, and really reinforces why I enjoy your point of view in general.
The RT has phenomenal history, especially in law enforcement, where many of its functions matter. Personally, I’m not deviating from my GS Adventure. Once I’m ready to stay off the backcountry and dirt, I’ll likely go for a K1600. The RT is…wait for it…too dainty for me. 😂
I call my 2019 RT my "have your cake and eat it too" bike. I can load it up for a trip to mountains, be totally comfortable on the trip. Great touring bike. When I get to the twisties, it's my sport bike. And it's my main commuter. Really, there is almost no direct competition to the RT. The last real competitor left is the Yamaha FJR1300, but it's no where near as sporty and it's not been updated in years. It's heavier and carries it's weight much higher. Still a great bike though. The other closest competitor is BMW's own K1600GT. Too heavy and carries it's weight too high for me. Something you missed. Fuel economy. I get between 46 to 47mpg in all around riding. Only the Goldwing can come close, but it has a much smaller tank. Another RT bonus you missed. Maintenance. Much easier than any competitor.
"Am I out of line calling this the best overall touring bike in the world?" Yes, you are. Depends on the type of "touring" and which brand of bike one wants to tour on.
Your review was excellent. I would likely choose the RT...but there are other great options.
Bring on that R1300RT!
The 1250RT is an amazing weapon in the canyons. I owned a 2022 R1250RT and traded it in for a 1600GTL, After a year of owning the big 6 tourer, I went back to the 1250RT. It really is a great touring bike in my opinion.
On the twisty roads the RT is nimble, fast, stable, not as smooth as the 6 cylinder1600, but it's no slouch and with the rider who's experienced, it'll run with the best sport bikes in the canyons in comfort. It's not a super bike,, but that was never it's designed intention.
It truly is a spirited ride.
I’m looking at a K1600 GT, and the RT. Smoothness is my priority, followed by handling in the twisties. By far, most of the miles I ride are not in town. The K’s size/weight seems intimidating though. My current ride is a 2016 Multistrada, and I want to move to something more refined.
@@dinonoce I think you'll find this bike to be more refined than the multistrada and you'll have better protection from the elements on the RT. The K1600 GT, if it's anything like my K1200 GT will have the smoothest engine. The problem with the K1600 GT is that it's too heavy. You should also note the steering geometry is way different on the RT vs the K16GT. Turning will feel very different!
@@dinonoceMultistrada V4 is Amazing
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I agree, these videos take a huge effort to make and they are so authentically "home-made", and love his wife getting on the bikes, always hilarious during her cameos! 😊
Most important part: you look like a police officer and people will typically slow down or move over 👌
true!
20 years ago I was riding my Yamaha FJR with a friend who rode a 1100RT on a day when it was cold and misty wet. I've never been as cold on a motorcycle as I was on that day! During that ride my friend and I swapped bikes and I was shocked how much better the wind protection was on the RT, from head to toe. Not long after that experience I sold the FJR and bought a new 2005 RT and have been a happy RT owner since, upgrading since to a 2015 RT. Each year I do a trip with a group of 50+ riders and we do a lot of bike swapping over a 4-6 day period and I get to experience riding a wide variety of motorcycle brands - the RT IMHO is without a doubt the cream of the crop! Thanks for the great reviews Ian! Big Rock Moto is my favorite motorcycle UA-cam channel!!
Same experience for me. Dad rode one of the first RT1100’s and I rode a heli-bar modded ZX-11. Anyone that says a Jap sport tourer is on par with the RT (700 mile/day type riding) is lying to themselves.
I’m 6’ tall and 33 “ inseam and I never felt cramped on my RT. My IPhone Max fits into the phone compartment just fine and charges without a cord. Also, the map and the BMW app works just fine. I don’t know why people complain unless you’re way out in the country where there is no phone reception. It’s a great motorcycle, period.
@Boxer1250RT I saw another rider with 33 inch inseam said it was too cramped. I'm at 34 and trying to decide if it is right for me. Do you have standard or tall seat? Lowered pegs? What is your opinion on the gearshift assist pro? I'm currently riding a 2009 K1300S with shift assist and it works fine.
There is no need for wifi and bluetooth i have rt 24 my on loan i got connected but i havent bothered using it as its no great. Should be android auto /carplay
As an owner of a '22 RT, I agree with most of what you report in your video. with only a couple Exceptions.
The quick shifter works very well when used in the right way. Upshift is smooth with power rolled on (when you want to accelerate hard and shift quick). The less the power, the rougher upshifting is. Down shifting is smooth when power is roll off... when you need to engine brake or decelerating for a corner. With power rolled on, like down shifting for a pass... its pretty rough.
My Galaxy 22 Phone fits fine in the right glove box, when I take the Protective case off it. A G22+, G22Ultra or a Note won't fit, but those are portable Tablets, not phone. An added feature of the right side is, it has a built in wireless charger... you don't need that USB port.
The BMW riding app is a little finicky, but I find Android Auto unusable so it is the lesser of 2 evils. Besides, Android Auto doesn't record statistics from your ride, like max G's in acceleration or deceleration, or steepest lean angle, it won't allow you to watch your entire ride in playback mode, or give you Statistical Highlights or... allow you to check your fuel levels while sitting on the couch. It's more than just a map.
A couple things I Don't like about my RT? You weren't going 70 [cough82cough]... you were going [63]. The speedo-meter is 10% off with Stock Tires. This seems like a serious oversight that should not exist with a bike this refined. To be fair, every car I've purchased has the same issue.
Second, the first Gear is really tall and it takes practice to not stall the bike, coming off the line.
I might consider installing larger tires to fix the speedometer, but it would make 1st gear worse (and might mess with the handling). So, I'll live with it.
Other than that, It is the perfect Street bike for ME, and unless there is a paradigm shift in Motorcycle technology or a way to break the laws of physics... the only thing that will replace my RT... is a newer RT (if they still exist in 20 years).
I Am Groot.
I ordered my 22RT with the tubular bars mounted on 38mm up&out riser by Wunderlich. On the bars i have 2 Ram mounts with My Tomtom Rider(back up/alternate Nav) and a QuadLock mount with vibration dampener for my Iphone. Also from Wunderlich are the engine and pannier protection bars with highway pegs. Option 719 rims and topbox with taillight.
I trade from a 2016 Triumph Trophy se to my RT. (Triumph stopped producing the Trophy in 2017; so really no other comparible bikes other then the RT).
Love my RT's handling, it's weight distribution, comfort, performance... I could go on!
I am finding that I don't get much more than 10,000 Kms on the rear tires. Nav has been good(not great)
Speedometer is about 5-8 Kms/hr for me( I use the Tomtom for more accurate speeds).
I clutch for 1st & 2nd gear then use the quickshifter.
Michael from New Brunswick, Canada
I have a loan rt for a week my g22+if taken out of case fits in the right locker
I am totally with you. Yes, the speedo is way over reading which is a touch annoying. But that said I just love the bike and yes it does a little tall geared but when you actually get moving at all falls into place. I cannot believe just how good this machine is and how super practical letters at the same time as being comfortable. I had a multi Strada V4S before thisbike. I booked it new in 2024, but this bike is better for me. It certainly doesn’t really feel any slower. I prefer the brakes. I definitely prefer the luggage carrying with not having to have the key to unlock each case every time I wanted to get into it. The central locking here is fantastic . I also prefer the boxer engine engine.
@@michaelbrostowski7610That’s interesting - how tall are you?
@@christopherbeauchemin180
5’10”
You are #1 when it comes to motorcycle reviews. Thank you.
Hi, I bought the 2014 model this January. No electronic suspension - only manual, however this bike is an amazing machine. I switched from a heavy Kawasaki Vulcan Voyager that served me very well for 3 years and I made over 26K miles on this. But, RT is just something else. I bought it in January (I live in Illinois) and I started to ride it right away. To this day I already made 12K miles on this thing and every ride is an exciting joy. It's not perfect, but it is so good. The combination of comfort, power and how flickable it is in twisties brings you joy all the time.
I think that the buzz, almost fades away after 1 hour or two of highway riding, when everything gets in the right place and is properly warmed. After the 10.000 kms Service, the buzz of the engine gets imperceptible 👌
Try riding it with the throttle on the dynamic mode and the suspension still in rode mode. It’s delicious!
How do you set it in a different throttle and ride mode?
@@michaelbrostowski7610 it’s possible on the RT to choose a ride mode and than in vehicle settings to choose in combination a different behavior for the suspension.
Thanks for reviewing this machine.
Your work is the gold standard for reviews!
Total package, trusted and appreciated… Just like the BMW!
Hello from New Zealand, Thanks Ian for what I regard as some of if not the best motorcycle reviews and content on youtube.I appreciate the effort you put into your research and your down to earth, no nonsense approach to motorcycle journalism.Its really good that you include your partner Maggie in your reviews for an unbiased and genuine opinion on not just pillion accommodations but also what she actually thinks of the price and looks of the bikes you review which is actually very relevant and important to many people and potential buyers..Shes pretty cool also and a great addition to your vids.Your channel has quickly become my first port of call when I want info on a bike or just an informative and entertaining watch on one of my many youtube motorcycle binges...I watched your review of the V strom 1050 XT about 20 times and ended up buying one :) Thanks again mate and keep it up..185k subs is mega..this channel deserves a million..and when it reaches that which I have no doubt it will in time, I hope people read this comment. cheers.
Your review was spot on…!
I have a 2021 RT and for me, it’s the best of both worlds, sport and touring. It is like no other bike I’ve ever owned.
Now that the R 1300 GS is out, BMW Motorrad can you please give us a slimmed down (less bulbous) modern front end, reduced weight, especially unsprung, Android Auto and Apple Car Play, a proper phone compartment, speaker delete, more color options, etc. Thanks!
I test rode this bike and can say I was blown away on how it feels and handle. Unfortunately I have a k1600 and this would be perfect for single ride through the country. Good review as always. I also think its great you include Maggie in your videos. She was honest and genuine. When she said the price is just right, she knows what a good machine cost. Most people are reluctant to put all that money down on these bikes. But if you can afford it, its worth every penny as it will give you priceless memories. Plus when you sell your bike, your actually spending less if you think about it. The experience and life moments you gain is worth it.
The most comprehensive test of the RT that I have seen so far
thanks
You said it, why buy a different bike. The RT is the worlds best bike for any rider who is serious about having the best bike for long rides, of anything type of road. So some might say “well I ride in slow traffic and in town”. Ok, go buy a Vespa and be happy. Having owned over 35 motorcycles for over 40 years and have three in the garage now, i wish one of them was a 1250 RT and it’s definitely on my list to get one. I sold my 2009 R1200RT and I do miss it all the time. I will say that the big TFT display does not turn me on (Because it doesn’t do Apple CarPlay). I like the GPS unit to be separate, like a NAV V or NAV VI unit.
Look for a good used pre TFT model with the 1250 motor typically 2019/20 you won’t be disappointed and can use your GPS plus save a fortune 👍
BMW fanboy here. I have a 2018 R1200RT with full options, and a 2015 R9T classic. I love them both.
The RT of this generation is just phenomenal. Same chassis as this R1250RT, and I bought an aftermarket phone holder/wireless charger that plugs straight into the factory BMW nav prep. It allows me to use the phone for everything. It is just an awesome touring bike.
Honda needs to bring back the ST1300.
I own a 2014 R1200 RT, and everything you’ve said about this new bike rings absolutely true. My friends on sport bikes are amazed at how well my bike handles.
I had a Yamaha FJR1300 for many years and I loved the engine and the way it rode. IF Yamaha would actually update that bike to more modern standards, I'd say that it would be in contention with the RT.
But what do you realy miss? I have a fully equipped 2015 RT but do I need it all? No. That I appreciate is cruise control, electric windshield and 25L tank. No need for radio qs central locking riding modes I never change and so on. Next RT who is a very good design for long haul riding will be dressed down.
no it wouldn't, it's not even near the same league as an RT. I've owned 2 FJRs and now an R1200RT, it makes an FJR feel like a dump truck in the mountains.
@@monkeyCmonkeyDoo I have a K1600 & FJR no comparison. BMW is better in every way. Have been looking at the RT and may have to rent one to find out if better than a K16
Coming off a FJR (for nearly 17 years), a test ride on the RT did not give me a WAAW feeling. No major complaints about the RT, but the chemistry wasn't there. Subsequently, a test ride on a K1600GT, and I ordered it upon return at the dealer. Haven't looked back since...
K1600T sounds great! Unfortunately, I'm getting pretty old (74) and top heavy bikes kinda scare me. I think that I'm going to have to look at smaller, lower bikes when it's time to buy again.@@chrisdurie3651
Your best review I have seen so far, Ian. I own a 2022 RT in the Racing Blue color, and had it in for it’s 12000 mile maintenance last week. All valves were within specification and did not need adjusting. I ordered my bike from the factory with no radio and saved $600. The large TFT display, headlight coverage at night, easily adjustable windshield, LOUD horn, adaptive cruise control, helmet fitting panniers, and overall quality feel of the bike keep me very happy while riding it. The only negative I had was the cramped leg space. I am 5’11” with a 32” inseam. After a couple hours on the bike I needed to get off and stretch my legs. However, I purchased the Wunderlich foot peg lowering kit and installed it myself. The kit lowered the pegs only slightly, but after one long camping trip the past summer, seems to have made a difference and improved my comfort. There is hardly a day I take the bike out that I do not get a compliment on it. It was nice seeing Maggie, and please ride safe.
I sold my RT for the Goldwing. To be honest I’ll never go back to the RT for various reasons. The Golgwing has superior ergonomics, better comfort, smoother engine by far, lower center of gravity, more stable in corners due to its longer wheelbase. What I liked about the RT better was its quality of finishings, baggage size and removal possibilities and perhaps better lighting. Overall the wing to me is a superior motorcycle. Oh yes, the wing sounds allot better too, it has reverse gear plus DCT , unlike the clunky gear shift of the RT and although looks are subjective, the Goldwing is better looking. Oh wait, I’m not finished…. Apple car play. A godsend on the Wing. Great and accurate review
Thanks. Goldwing is sure an amazing bike
I did 3 weeks on an Advanced Police Motorcycle course on the 1200 version. Totally converted me. Insanely agile for something so big. The suspension soaks up real world imperfections and enables very rapid 'progress'.
If you know, you know.
Excellent review! Mine is a 2022 - great bike. I totally agree with your “cons”. I am 6 feet tall and recently added peg lowering and handlebar raise kits. Much more comfortable for my 65 year old body!
RT is not for my 33” inseam-Versys 1K with dropped pegs works. Thanks for the sport touring content Ian, great to have multiple bikes!
After putting 160 000 mostly enjoyable kilometers on my RT I said, “okay, but never again.” The small problems added up and, compared to my other bikes, maintenance costs were higher than they ought to be. However, now that I’m 72 I’m looking at the RT as a possible choice if it uses the new GS1300cc engine and (here’s the kicker) it has reverse assist like the Goldwing and the K1600. Hey, a fella can dream!
reverse would be a great addition
hopefully they won't add the reverse, if you want reverse, buy a bike with reverse.
@monkeyCmonkeyDoo HA for this money it should have reverse... don't forget how much money BMW is going to make after the sale... maintenance $$$ galore..
. I should know I own a bmw
I had 2 RT but went to K16 as found touring RT loaded the weight was unmanageable at times with no reverse. Now the K16 with reverse is easier every day although a lot heavier than RT and the gear box is better and engine performance is well just more and smooth. Having said that I’d go back to RT if it had reverse I suppose as long term at my age it being a bit lighter is easier all round and I suspect maintenance long term on the K16 will cost quite a bit more than the RT …. With the 1300 apparently coming I don’t want to be buying a 1250 of the 1300 comes with reverse so for now I guess I stick with the Big K 🤷♂️
I’m on my 6th RT since 95, it is the best, I add another bike then don’t ride it that much I end up selling it. My RT now is an 18, will be going to a 2024 after the new yr. Just buy one you will never regret it.
What about the cost of them wrenching on it.... if I am riding @ 10k miles per year? @ $5k per year? Honestly, I love this bike but know that anything from BMW is freaking expensive to maintain.
Thanks for the real rider review. This will be my next favorite bike once I can get it used under 20k. Many of the 22’s were shipped without adaptive cc or a radio. The Weight is key with this bike. Bar backs and some highway pegs and you are every bit as comfy on a long stretch as any premium bagger (a litttle bow legged). I ridden these and had a GS with essentially the same motor and suspension. The way you can throw this bike around in the twisties and plush ride long range is amazing. At 60, anything over about 600 lbs just seems like effort. The boxer makes it feel under 600 lbs to me. Ps. If you ride a fully loaded GS in the dirt you will find very fast it is not a dirt bike. It a long range team required adventure bike. GS is the best made bike I’ve had but picking it up in the rocks can be a team sport. Thanks for showing your wife on the back seat.. my wife could be her sister in looks and size. My wife drives sometimes and I need a big back seat. Thanks for confirming nearly every reason I was planning on RT.
This is one of the most comprehensive reviews I’ve come across. Top job👍
I have to say, THIS is probably your best review so far. Not just because I agree with you on nearly every point, but because the specifics you chose to compare and contrast regarding the competition is so spot on. Absolutely the electric windscreen is better than the smaller, manual version on my GSA. Certainly EVERY bike over twenty grand should come with lighted switches, adaptive cruise control, a proper cell phone compartment, and CarPlay integration. True as well, the integrated *symmetrically* sized, central locking, side cases (due to the lower, reality-oriented exhaust pipe) are superior to my $1800 aluminum aftermarket cases I added to my R1250 GSA. On the other hand, I too would be embarrassed to be heard blasting my music through the the dashboard speakers (as my Harley-riding brothers are so want to do).Seriously boys, the WORLD has heard "Freebird" more than enough. However, as you say, compared to my GSA, the RT's legroom is noticeably cramped for my 6 foot frame. So, until BMW is ready to update the RT to the new 1300cc engine, AND take care of the issues mentioned above, I'm sticking with my bike. And one more thing--it's about time you finally gave Maggie a proper passenger seat to check out, as opposed to all the damn Dirt Bikes you forced her to suffer through in her previous videos!!! How she puts up with you I have no idea!
I live in a rural area. Fortunately it's been a couple of months since I last heard a Harley go by. It was blaring ZZ Top Sharp Dressed Man for everyone in half a mile to listen to.
It's funny to me when someone cites the "issues above" as reason to forego a particular motorcycle, especially a phenomenal one such as this. I will NEVER use CarPlay; don't need a cellphone compartment (one size never fits all); don't need lighted switches as my finger know where they are after a few rides (they are pretty though); and I absolutely despise "adaptive" cruise control which always slows me at inopportune times and has no freaking idea what close following is. Definitely a feature that should be defeatable in the menu. I'd rather they make all of those things an optional "Tech Package" for farkle fiends and let me forego the additional cost, complexity and reliability issues.
@@tibortoczauer7985 I'm forgoing the RT because I already have a bike I'm happy with, not because BMW doesn't offer lighted switch gear or Carplay--my bike doesn't have those features either. When I first read your comment, I thought you were making fun/dissing the guys who claimed those features/options were of no value--then I realized YOU were saying those features (and all the rest) are of no value to YOU! Now THAT'S funny! But not as funny as a guy who rear ends the truck in front of him because he turned of his "despicable" adaptive cruise control--that would be HYSTERICAL!
@@rayfriedman6107 um, direct quote from rayfriedman "So, until BMW is ready to update the RT to the new 1300cc engine, AND take care of the issues mentioned above, I'm sticking with my bike." Any reading of that "until" would mean that you're sticking with your bike till BMW fixes those "issues". Hysterical??? Are you medicated? Why would anyone who turns off their insipid radar cruise, rear end a truck??? That's what eyes and a brain are for. Watch the road, process the danger and act accordingly. If you need adaptive cruise to not hit the truck in front of you, you shouldn't be on the road.
The reason I despise adaptive cruise control is that I do not want my ride dictated by mindless morons in cages. I get so tired of the lack of speed discipline by today's drivers. Every dummy that plays with his/her coffee, radio, phone, etc., drives erratically. The same goes for every time they go uphill or downhill. How many fools have you followed that go 20 over on downhills and 10 under on uphills? I love the fact that a motorcycle can quickly get around those morons and not be stuck behind them. Adaptive cruise lets you sit there and slow down and speed up at whatever rate someone else chooses. I don't want to be able to look around and check out the scenery while my bike is keeping me safe. I want to pay attention and RIDE. If you need adaptive cruise, you are part of the problem.
That’s what I imagined you’d say.
very professionally created content. I loved the term independent journalism. I just like read an article in motorcycle magazine that I had read years ago before youtube era. Thanks a lot. Keep up good work
Couldn’t agree more! I’m on my third RT. Best bike I’ve ever ridden. 😎
At least the running lights are not obnoxious. Running lights on late model cars and motorcycles are getting comically ridiculous looking. Two things on the tech.. one, who wants heavy speakers on the motorcycle? Not many. I've spoken to many RT owners and dealer sales people and a speaker delete is something almost universally wanted, two, c'mon BMW just give us Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. No owner wants a wonky OEM app. BTW, never have I ever actually heard the speakers of an RT playing, unlike the Harley crowd which projects their banality onto everyone around them with an audio assault of loud pipes and blasting music. Ditch the speakers, give us CarPlay/Android Auto. 100% on the controls not being back-lit, huge oversight.
I own a BMW CE 04 and the experience of having to use their custom app, which requires keeping your phone on, communicate with a phone-to-bike WiFi connection that doesn’t reliably establish, and then when it does “map mode” often refuses to start. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been effectively without navigation while I try combinations of app, bike, phone and WiFi restarting. It’s totally ridiculous and most importantly, I will absolutely not purchase a BMW motorcycle in the future as long as they keep insisting on their own UI. It’s a completely doomed waste of resources for them, outside of their expertise, and results in a miserable customer experience. Let it go BMW.
@@Winter-zv1dvget a quadlock
As a Harley owner, I approve of the exhaust and music comment 😄
@@Winter-zv1dvDucati does the same thing. I don't understand why they spend so much money and time reinventing the wheel when they could follow Honda in using CarPlay and Android Auto. I don't need a janky manufacturer app when Google Maps already does a decent job with traffic routing. I can use a proper offroad app when I hit the dirt. As for speakers on a bike, hello hearing loss... if you have earplugs on you can't hear them.
Leave it to the Germans who thinks their tech is better than the rest of the world 😂 Totally unacceptable for a bike north of 20k! While I may agree with you the bike absolutely rocks in terms of engine, handling, looks, etc. But again that is to be accepted for a brand known more for performance above anything else. But the best long distance ST? Not for me. Give me a Yamaha FJR anyday or I'll stick to my trusty Honda VFR
I have had 3 RTs, and they have been fantastic bikes. I probably have at least 100K miles total on them. I have never purchased one new however. I usually get one a few years old. You can find these used from really good owners, who followed the maintenance exactly as requires, with decently low miles on them.
Can i ask why youve had three? It seems like an oddly common number to have among RT owners. Just a matter of circumstance, or trading up? Did they encounter issues?
It just seems that, more than any other bike, owners love it but have owned multiple ones in a short period of time 😅
@ Nah, I am just really old, been riding a long, long time. And I use my bikes more like a car for transportation, than just a weekend toy or hobby. And, I purchase used, not new. I have an FJR right now. I like it, but I loved my RTs. Waiting for that 1300 RT to show up, 1250 RT prices will drop, and I can then afford another one👍✊.
Oh, and I had common issues like surging, ABS, ~final drive and fuel system. But, they never left me stranded, and the final drive may have been okay and I got ripped off. Never had a problem on the FJR.
@@TimRHillard I figured things ended with those bikes on good terms. Everyone is always positive about their ownership experiences, but I swear there's a weird number of 3 time owners commenting on YT 😂
I have a 2019 RT 1250, moved up from a 1200R which I'd had for seven years. I find it a luxurious ride, a proper grand tourer. I ride quite fast but never feel the need to move the settings out of "road" and "auto" (suspension adjustment). I love how precise the handling is, you can put it exactly where you want it. Performance is thrilling, the shiftcam technology was exactly what the boxer needed because it just couldn't breathe at high revs. This one happily snarls it way to the top of the rev range. Top gear acceleration from 70 mph to oblivion is amazing.
I'm 6-ft with long legs and arms (34 inseam). I ride with the standard seat on the high setting. (You could have pointed out there is a low, standard and high seat available, each with two settings). This means I easily flat-foot the bike when sitting at the front or middle of the saddle, but can't quite do it when sitting at the very back of the saddle (broadest part). This is ideal for me. If you chose the high seat in the high setting I think a guy of 6ft 6ins would be comfortable. Regarding the bars, I think I have longer arms than you because I don't need to lean in at all: I sit upright. The big seat means you can shuffle forward and backwards to relieve the stresses of a long journey. The radio is fine in town, something to listen to at traffic lights, but on the open road it's irrelevant.
I suspect this might be the best touring bike in the world, but can't confirm it because I haven't ridden its rivals. But I love twins and appreciate their character: people who aspire to smoothness above all else might prefer the Goldwing or K1600. But these suckers face a significant weight penalty with either!
The first RT I had, I rode to the Starbucks in Denton Texas and ended up in Sturgis. Yep, it was that comfortable.
I own a 2014 RT 1st yr water cooled. 28,000 miles trouble free. I would say the ergos are the same, I put on a different screen and like it better than stock. Love this bike. Great for a cheaper alternative than new but have heard great things about the 1250 vs my 1200. Definitely want to try the new 1300 if I can get my hands on one to ride when available. Thx Ian, good review as usual.
Thanks for sharing
28k in 10 years ? ..since you barely ride you are throwing your money away… coupled with the fact there is very little mechanical difference between you current bike and the 23’… the host of soon to malfunction electronic gimmicks is the only major difference…
Had a pan st1100 for 3 yrs dealer finally convinced me to take a 1200rt and boy was it a ton lighter and handled so much better than the pan. I rode it London city traffic shame never toured on it (kids too young for daddy leave) It looks deceptively huge but the weight is low down . Had it for 10 yrs u r absolutely right about how capable it is
I've been riding 57years, & I have a 2019 1250RT. I'm not easily impressed, but this is an amazing bike
Probably the best motorcycle review I have seen on UA-cam so far! Thorough and informative. Very enjoyable. Bought one of these today (before seeing your review)...
Agree, BMW RT is all round best motorcycle, forgiving, tracks like it's on rails, easy maintenance, , giant fuel tank, easy on the eyes. Check it out, BMW RT almost 300 lbs lighter than GW. Great review.
I wanted a K series but i heard the drivetrain is horrible and expensive to maintain. So is gearbox and driveshaft issues
I've been an RT fan since 1998 and I've owned several other BMWs over the years...My 2020 RT meets all my expectations! I've got long legs, so I installed a foot peg lowering kit. My wife, 4-8" and 90 lbs is super comfy on it. In fact, she reports the RT is more comfy than the 2016 GSA, even with its custom saddle!
Best touring bike in the BMW line up, and in motorcycling today. No other touring bike can match it in terms of handling and fun to ride in the twisty roads and still provide the comfort and ease of long days on the interstate.
Have the previous generation, the 2019 RT, and I plan to keep it many many years. Of course the new headlights + the adaptative cruise control + the large LCD screen are nice features, but they are not worth the change. The 19 is such a confortable bike, ready for long trips.
I've ridden a 2002 RT-P since 2006 and a 2012 GSA since 2012. With the exception of the electronic gizmos and big screen TV, my 21 years older RT has all of the same features - adjustable windshield, accessory plugs, excellent luggage, etc. I was amazed at how many features have remained constant over the years! The engine sounds are still incredibly similar!
Regarding the lack of handlebar illumination, most of my RT-P riding is year-round commuting in the Seattle-area. I almost always have the handlebar covers installed. I haven't seen my switchgear in - literally - years. Add handlebar covers and you'll quickly remember where the switches are!
I used to have an R1250RT - sold it for the Multistrada V4 Rally - glad I did.
I own a 2022 RT identical in spec and color to your test bike. I would agree with your assessment of this superlative touring motorcycle. I have been riding for 60 years with many different bikes. This is the best motorcycle for my needs, 2-up long distance touring, I have owned.
Great review Ian. There's no way I can justify putting $27k into a bike - well actually it's close to my budget for 3 bikes, dual sport, adv, tour/commute. So, yeah I spent the money, but it's 3 bikes for 3 purposes. I have the '07 RT, and am not tempted to upgrade. I love it. 82k miles. Couple significant points. It's light enough that I use it for commuting 35 miles to work almost daily. It's not a big production to back it out of the garage and run to the store. That makes a huge difference. I note that these new ones have gained a bit of weight. 2nd is the luggage. I leave the side bags on the shelf and use the 49L top case. I have my rain gear neatly folded on one side, still room for my laptop bag, backpack of gym stuff, etc. At the office, that stuff comes out and my helmet and gloves fit in. This is a big deal for daily use. The world's best bike is the one for you that fits your particular needs, and on the street, the RT is it for me. (Plus the KTM 350 EXCF and soon to be 660 Tuareg, 27k all in cuz I'm good with buying used.)
...hi from Germany 👍 my 1250 RT is a fighter bomber...more than 100kg lighter than a Goldwing...243 kmh top speed on an open German highway...and curves in low mountain ranges? incredibly easy to ride, better than GS...Hard to beat! Super athletes cry! And the driver with his FJR 1300 thought he had more horsepower 🤔🤐😉 unfortunately his chassis wasn't up to par with the RT and he ended up in a wire fence! (Thank God no injuries 👍) the best thing I've ever ridden...600,000km on a motorcycle and then came the RT! I now have a second one (1200 built in 2009) for the winter. I love 🤟 this motorcycle! great tours, you are absolutely right! Biker greetings, Udo 😎🤘🫶
I just put a deposit down on a 2024 RT, I previously had a 2014 RT. Thanks for going into detail, there's a lot of improvements over the 2014 RT.
Another great review. I find myself watching your reviews even when they're about bikes I don't really care about. That's not the case this time. The RT is a fantastic bike and I've rented a few for some multi-state trips and enjoyed them thoroughly. I have had two GTLs because I felt it was superior for smoothness, comfort and power for two-up riding with my wife, but I'll probably move to an RT next time around now that its power to weight ratio is much improved. My solo touring bike right now is a GSA, even though I don't go "offroad". I was really torn between it and the RT, but I'll give you a couple of reasons why I picked it aside from superior leg room (6' 33" inseam). That extra suspension travel makes the thing suck up every darn bump in the road, and when you're travelling a couple thousand miles, those hits add up. No other bike has ever given me such a smooth ride over bone-jarring crap roads in California or any other state. Second, even though the GSA will not keep you as protected as the RT in a frontal rain or wind assault, when you're riding through a strong sidewind, it is superior. The wind tends to blow through the GSA and not push the fairing and saddlebags like it does on the RT. (I mostly ride with a bag behind me on the passenger seat, instead of with wind-catching saddlebags). I've had more than my share of what felt like 30-40 degree pitched rides. I like that the GSA has a lot less trouble in those sidewinds. Lastly, even though I think the RT is the prettier bike, when riding solo I like to remove saddlebags to save weight and make the bike more aero. The RT looks like hell, whereas the GSA still looks... like a GSA ;)
Great content; keep'em coming ;)
I freaking love these things. My grandpa had a 2009 and it has 88k miles and goign strong!
I had an RT back in 2014, it lasted about five months - the dad bike thing! But that was a 1200, after one K1600 (too heavy!!) and three 1250 GS and GSA’s I might well go for another RT next, but I’ll wait for the 1300. And it’s nothing to do with me being 10 years older!!!! The final drive ratio is also interesting, my GSA gets very vibey at 5k which is 90 mph ish. Bring on the 1300. Thanks Ian.
Bought a 2022 R1250 RT, and have one little niggle, being 6'5" tall and 275# and old at 66. The seat gives me hot spots in 60-75 minutes of riding, every single time. I am looking into a Russell Day Long seat customization. Probably worth every single penny. Other than that, the bike is absolutely amazing how it rides in the canyons when riding around on a fuel tank with 2 or less gallons left in it. Definitely more flickable. Also, if not needed for a day ride, the bags are also easily quickly removable, to lower the weight of the bike. All these little details make the bike closer and closer to a GS in weight. Quite a few 2022 RT's were released early in production without Adaptive portion of the cruise control ( radar) and also without the $600 amplifier for the radio to work. Which is OK, I already have a Cardo packtalk Edge for radio.
My 2008 n 2015 RTs r the best bikes I’ve ever rode. U liv with this bike. Lov them
Ian, this is one of the best reviews on the latest BMW RT.
All points are covered with great detailed riding impressions for those seeking more in depth understanding of this ride.
I really appreciate the thoughtfulness put into these reviews. So many just try and wing it and don't deliver. This is a huge departure from that.
Briefly comparing this with the Yamaha MT09 SP was very interesting.
The fact you would actually prefer this over the MT09 SP says allot. Yes, the MT09 is going to be somewhat sportier... but, as you point out, it simply isn't as usable overall.
The balance between comfort, power, and light weight agility puts the RT into it's own category.
Even compared with the Tracer 9 GT+, the seat and ride comfort is better. That's the magic with this bike.
It offers enough mass to make it's ride plush and silky for longer day rides. While at the same time offering agile sport handling, depending on the ride and suspension settings.
The mixture of these two aspects, makes it the most useful of sports tourers... perhaps even sports bikes.
Look at it this way... how much time do most riders spend in the twisties? Competitively less than the time getting there and leaving there.
Also, even the fastest sport bikes can only negotiate twisties within the limits of the road vs the bike. If an RT can keep up... what's the advantage?
Yes, sweepers will be excelled by true sports bikes... but not by much.
When compared to the GT 1600 series this becomes ever apparent. The same BMW technology and craftsmanship in the 1600 platform can't give the same riding characteristics as the RT.
The extra plush smoothness of the heavier 1600 series, simply loses too much of the sporty nimbleness... not as fun of a ride.
Too much downside... this is when bigger no longer means better.
The slight drawback of a bit of buzz and hum at certain rpm's is a reminder that the RT is still a motorcycle and not a sports car.
I think it adds to the character of the overall experience.
It is also so easy to simply adjust the speed and gearing to avoid those slight rpm ranges, that it really isn't a problem.
Gord
I absolutely agree with you, what can I say… I owned a ‘17 1200RT and now I ride a ‘23 1250RT, my best bike ever!! Good vídeo dude! Greetings from Spain ✌️✌️✌️✌️
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Excellent review, absolutely spot on. The best review of this bike. I have it’s predecessor the 1200RT and yes they really are the best tourer and all round fun bike! 👍
I own a 2018 R1200RT (with top box) & 2018 Goldwing. I love both bikes. I live in a city (Las Vegas) & my daily rider is my R1200. I use it for grocery shopping and everything else. I love it because it’s so nimble even at slow speeds (traffic/parking lots). My issue is after a couple of hours of riding is my knees are hurting badly on both bikes. I installed highway pegs on my Goldwing which help a lot. I enjoy both bikes but I use the R1200 for daily riding and the Goldwing for long trips.
The RT is a fabulous bike no doubt about it but can be rather pricey if purchased new. I chose a 2019 model with a 2 year BMW warranty saved myself almost 10k. Obviously it doesn’t have the adaptive cruise capability or TFT likewise the restyled headlights but I can live with that no problem.
Honestly Ian, I was on the fence between the GS and RT up until I signed the papers. I left with the 2020 GSA HP. I have zero regrets but imagine I would have felt the same with the RT.
Some of the colors of the new RT are awesome, especially the blue IMO. I agree so much with the non backlit switches being a problem. I have as well as many other Beemer riders complaining about this. It's not like there's only 3 or 4 switches on the bars but tons. Unacceptable especially at a price point for a premium bike. BMW wasn't listning to its base consumers.
Even the release of the new GS 1300 does not come with backlit switches. (not liking the look of the 1300) another story for another day lol.
This new RT is really a thing of beauty in my eyes and I might trade in the GSA and end up with an RT in my garage.
Kudos to an amazing, amazing review Ian!! I have seen so many other reviews but none of them come close to your review!! I am someone new to the motorcycling world but who's always had that dream of getting on a BMW R 1250 RT. I can see why it is an amazing balance of performance, comfort, agility. I learned so much from this single video than all the other videos I watched!
I appreciate that!
What a fantastic presenter! Tried this bike twice and thought it was a bit pipe n slippers but like BMW cars and bikes you have to own them to bond properly!
6' even wearing Vans. The dealership didn't have one when i test rode the '23 GSA. Love my the gsa! However, i still want to give this a fair assessment one day. Ha! Roll of the dice says I'll be riding one this time next year. My only concern is the leg room as i tend to move side to side quite often in the twisty's.
Best moto vloger on the you tubes. Keep smiling!
I Own a 23 RT. I don't get a buzz in the bars, but I don't ride at those speeds either, You may be getting something from the windshield depending on how you have it adjusted. Try changing the windshield angle slightly,
Great video, I am on my 2nd RT, theres a reason why the police choose the RT. The RT is the best road bike in the world.
A truly EXCELLENT review. Just WOW! Well done, you helped me so much in my decision.
Excellent review and my thoughts exactly on the RT. I’ve owned four of these bikes and a friend of mine who has a Goldwing is now buying the RT. He rode mine a few days ago and loves the lightness and the overall handling with the low center of gravity.
Right on!
You are right Ian, I had a 2022 GS , at highway speed around 120 km/hr the GS engine is a lot noisier than my 2023 RT.
Hey man! Amazing review! Im about to buy an RT and have seen many reviews, and this is DEFINITELY the best and most complety review. Thank you very much!
After many years riding BMW, the last one the RT1150, I bought a GL1800 solo, that was over 20 years ago and I still have a GL1800 ( but since 2014 a reversed trike) It is my main means of transport (since 1984 I do everything by motorbike, solo, sidecar and/or trike, I often had more then one motorbike) Handling of the R1150 was excellent, the ABS worked really well. For me it was comfort, I fit better on a GL1800, and then there is that massive 1800cc engine
They are the bike of choice for our Police here in Australia, and I guess the reason is the bikes ability to provide all day comfort on the road, great handling and performance. Love your motorcycle reviews Ian. Best on UA-cam.
rode an 1150RT back and forth across the country and I miss it more than any of the bikes I've owned.
...the best overall touring bike in the world. That's a bold statement sir. You are nonetheless correct. My'16 R1200RT is the best mile eater I've ever owned. Combination of weight, power, handling, and comfort make it so. Not a bad bike for short trips due to the light weight. It's also my cold weather bike due to the wonderful wind protection. Someone mentioned buffeting. Maybe if you are 8' tall. I feel hardly and wind with the screen in the top position. Excellent review.
I love mine, I commute on it most days. It’s a pleasure to ride!
I own a 2017 Triumph Trophy SE but this was the second option. The only issue was the price.... They wanted over $30K back in 2017 and I paid $22K for my Trophy SE. With the leftover, $8K i bought a V-nose motorcycle trailer. Unfortunately they dropped the Trophy model that year because of the demand for ADV bikes. This BMW is a nice bike the fit and finish is perfect. But the price of BMW's is getting out of control..Almost like everything nowadays.
Triumph Trophy is a sweet looking tourer. I own a 2018 Tiger 1200 with that killer 1215cc triple. 55,500 miles all mine so far. Fantastic machine. If Triumph still made the Trophy, I’d have one in my garage right now.
Great review Ian, I own a 2017 R1200RT and recently completed a two week ride from Spokane Washington up into Canada and then back to New Jersey. Im shopping now for a new bike and like many have been bit by the GSA fever. However after my ride which ran into a lot of bad weather I agree for high speed long distance touring the RT BMW cannot be beat. Plus, if I find myself ridding off road it probably means I missed the curve.
Glad you like the bike, I had a 2007 RT and I guess they hadn't worked out the bugs... On mine the engine vibration that you felt in your hands was unbearable. And then on the very same day that I picked mine up from the dealership… Stuck in some NYC traffic it was about 80° outside the bike kept overheating (I know its oil cooled) but it got insanely hot and shut off three times, I had to be towed back to the dealership… Later purchased a K 1200 GT, then a K1600 GTL... and the last purchase was a 2023 K1600B and it is AWESOME, handles like a light bike... Very maneuverable and fun to ride. Keep the reviews coming safe riding 🏍
The worst part about motorcycles is buying one and then realizing you make a poor choice. There always seems to be a motorcycle that would have “fit” you better.
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Couldn't have said it better myself
yes . so need long distance test ride a motorcycle before buy it
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@@NalinKhurbMost places either don't allow test rides or just a short one around the parking lot. There's no way to test for wind buffeting or rider ergos at highway speeds.
This is my bike! I admire your restraint when describing the truly horrible navigation system. It didn’t work at all with my iPhone 13. For $100 I got an android and it works about 80% of the time. I bought an iPhone 14 not max, so a normal sized phone and it doesn’t fit. I installed a phone mount and on a 400 mile ride the bike lost WiFi connection about a dozen times. Car Play is great. This is not.
For passenger comfort I installed a Sargent backrest. I didn’t want a trunk.
I recently added the radio to my '22 R1250RT (wasn't avail. when Berlin built my bike) I like playing the radio through the speakers while at a rest stops/washing the bike/etc. and through the helment while moving. This bike was a major performance upgrade from my '06 R1200RT. I won't split lanes while the side cases are mounted.
I had the BNW 1300 RT GT, four in line....this was a dressed up super bike, awesome power and luxurious comfort to mention a few details. I loved the bike and I believe will compare easily with yhe new modern RT's. This is in South Africa.
Blessings from South Africa.🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Nice review, Ian and I agree with your take on the bike. I test rode one to compare against my K1600 GTL, but it didn't fit my 6'5" 230 lb self (most of today's bikes don't, to be fair). i've had the K16 going on 5 years, the ergonomics and forward lean is close to the RT, but I still needed an aftermarket windscreen and saddle to make it fit. I get a thrill putting lots of touring miles on it and its a keeper.
Great review Ian! I recently took my Victory Vision to a track day. Had a blast and the big girl didn't embarrass herself but for a next bike I definitely see myself heading towards the RT. 17" rubber, lighter and better cornering clearance... Fits where I'm headed as a commuter, tourer, and skills class regular.
I had am RT, an older model, before my Vision. It's not a sofa, as the Vision, and its worse problem is that you cannot change position, something I can do on my Vision and choose between many different positions. But the suspensions and weight are really better.
However, now at 70, I added a Duke 690 to the Vision as a safety boat, and now I'm thinking of changing it for a 890 R before I'm too old... :-)
Great review Ian, you are certainly building an authentic and hugely valuable catalogue of videos and reviews.
My two cents as an S1000XR (2016) owner who has ridden both a 2020 & 2021 RT more and more with UK Blood Bikes is, I may end up swapping mine for one of these. As you know the XR is phenomenal, but license threatening. The RTs are more comfortable, not short of power at real road speeds and handle brilliantly. Also, well built. Our Blood Bike RTs have 58k and 59k miles each, used by multiple riders and not given quite as much love as a personal bike and they’re still tight and lovely to ride. Best wishes from across the pond.
I like setting my cruise to 90 or "so" in the desert. I don't think the manufacturer should restrict that. They don't know the circumstances in which they'll be used.
Upright tourers make so much sense for the majority of riders. It's only a matter of time before they become the most popular tourers.
It's not restricted by speed, it will work all the way to 137mph. What is limited is the Active Cruise Control(distance control), it's limited to 99 because if someone pulls out in front of you over 100, it will emergency brake. Turn off the ACC and the cruise control works to its max speed.
Awesome review. Thank you! I had a 2011 RT and I have never experienced a better bike ever since. I like touring so this is the perfect bike for me.
I had a 2016 RT and currently have a Goldwing. I agree that the RT has no compromises. While I love my Wing, I miss the RT when the road gets twisty. Also, I argue that for the 90% of GS riders who never go off-road, the RT is a better option unless you’re very tall. It handles much better and is more stable in almost all on-road situations.
Another fantastic and comprehensive review, Ian.
Your review style is what we need. Real world from a real rider.
Really terrific review - Thanks! You didn't mention the shift-cam engine (maybe you did for GS review). I had an 18 RT which was last model b4 this was added. Also, a mention would be pretty good fuel economy. I ride back roads at typically no more that 60 MPH. On my 18 RT it was not uncommon to get 60MPG (verified by old-school fill up calculator math). I bought my RT from San Jose BMW and was VERY pleased with the way they treated me thru ordering, delivery & service. I moved to Idaho and the only dealership is horrible. I dreaded going in for the next major service so much I traded the bike for a Versys 1000. I'm happy with the Kawasaki but REALLY miss the BMW. Thanks again for the info on newest iteration.
What a beauty. I have the RS with many of the same features. Having ridden mostly S's and RS's, I've always enjoyed the more sporty riding position. Plus never riding with a pillion, the RS makes more sense for me. I enjoy all the tech, but have recently bought a RE Continental GT 650 and enjoy the simplicity and the sportiness of it. But my g310gs is also one of my favorites. 👍👍5🏍🙋♂️
Great review as always! I am very happy with my 2022 RT. I have added bar risers and a foot peg lowering kit. With my seat in the high position, this bike is very comfortable. I do not feel that the peg lowering kit compromises performance on twisty roads. I will upgrade at some point if they add a bigger motor, blindspot monitoring, and Apple CarPlay.
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I have an RS which is in a lot of ways the same as this bike. The key point I'm making is the motor and where it puts the weight. If you had to take a mild gravel road to connect to another road. Or to make it to that camp spot you want to go to. You don't need a GS to get you there. These bikes will comfortably do 35 mph on a mild gravel road. If you have ever been on a street oriented bike on a gravel road, you will understand what I'm saying. They are very sketchy. The boxer motor, and where it puts the weight. Makes these bike extremely versatile.
I have a '23RT and I do love my bike and have owned several BMWs. BUT, here's my list. The seat is uncomfortable after an hour or so. A gel pad didn't help so a Russel day long is on order. The Tech sucks except for the adaptive cruise which works well. The charge cradle basically won't charge iPhones (yes I've tried positioning, cover on/off etc and the cradle got replaced under warranty and still doesn't work.). The integrated NAV is not great as has been talked about below. The radio antenna cuts out all the time especially with satellite radio. My 2015RT didn't have these issues except for the seat. I lost my R1250RS in a crash last year and replaced it with my '23RT but I kind of wish I'd gotten a "21 to have my old RT features with the newer engine.
Hi Ian,
I have an older RT and agree with your comments except for the back-lit control issue. Yes, an expensive bike like this should have this feature but it doesn't take a year yo get used to the control position- 2-3 weeks and you don't think about it.
One thing I really like about the in-built rear mirrors: as they're fixed you see what's behind you when you're reversing. I find it more difficult to manoeuvre a bike with bar-mounted mirrors.
Thanks for your reviews- love your work.
Outstanding review Ian thanks, really enjoying your channel more so since you started covering off road bikes too. So the RT secret is out……yes I do own one so perhaps I’m biased but they really are that good. Filtering wise the mirrors are actually the widest point would you believe additionally they need to delete the radio for back lit switches and android/apple software 👍. Les 🇬🇧
On lane filtering, with the earlier versions of the oil head beginning in 1994 (I think), the RT had the option of "city" lids and "touring" lids. City lids were narrower (not capable of holding a full-face helmet) but they were no wider than the handlebar ends so you knew you could negotiate between vehicles based on that (CHP bikes were so equipped for that purpose). Switching out between City or Touring lids wasn't an issue for non-law enforcement riders. I had a 1996 R1100RS with both cases. Never should have sold it! BTW, love your new place.
If I could get an RT with the leg room of my GS I would own one. Great review enjoy your channel thank you .
I like it when you get Maggie's take on the bikes. The better-half's rating is an important metric to consider and no other reviewers that I know of offer this datum.