@@BikerTorque No. People compliment it all the time. I think it is as beautiful as my Blackbird was - and that's saying a lot, because the 'Bird is one of the classic beauties.
I believe the Goldwing F6B delivers more bang for your buck. And a perfect everyday allrounder. It weighs more, but is lower so you don’t feel that weight. And, cost of maintenance is significantly lower. The DCT is very smart, perfect shifts everytime.
16 years on a CBR1100XX Blackbird, loved it. Scoffed at ever buying a stodgy, posh BMW. But, the 'Bird got old, 90K miles, and I started looking around. Friends riding GS's were fast on the backroads and raved about their bikes. But I wanted a bit more comfort for those long days. Before covid, I took a test ride on an RT - when I say test ride, I mean that I rented one in San Francisco and did 1600 miles of Northern California with my wife riding pillion. I was surprised by how capable it was. So when I got a bonus at work, I went right down to the dealer and bought my own RT in 2021. I love this bike. I can whip it around mountain roads with gusto, or ride the open country roads or highway with the cruise control on, either way, I'm perfectly comfortable for 3-400 miles. I did finally get the Connected app sorted, but it does have shortcomings. So I mounted a Zumo XT, which has its own shortcomings. But between the two, I always get there! 😆
@@dnbanb Yes it was! While I owned it, I'd tell people "This is the only vehicle I've ever owned that I like *more* every year." Beautiful in appearance. Well-mannered at any speed from parking lot to ludicrously fast. Stable yet carved corners with aplomb. Surprisingly comfortable on long days. A true "Gentleman's Express".
@@tigerick7291 First thing my boss said was "Are you sitting down? Maybe you should sit down." 😮 FIrst job I've had where bonuses weren't just symbolic, buy yourself a nice dinner amounts.
Hey there from the other side of the world. I'm a K1600gt owner and just had the 1250 RT as a loaner, because my bike was at the workshops and I have to agree with you that the RT is a great bike. It feels relativly light and nimble for the heavy thing that it is. My own bike feels more heavy and is not as nimble but I like the inline six cylinder engine even more than the boxer. More power, more top end rush und all the comfort you might want. You have to ride the six cylinder just to try it. It's an awesome engine and just over 6000 rpm it really sings. Always brings a smile to my face.
Cheers thanks for sharing, definitely hoping to get on one of the K series bikes at some stage. Thanks for watching, enjoy that K1600 of yours I’m sure it’s a wonderful bike.
I accept that for you, the K1600 is absolutely fabulous. I think riders' natures are divided into two camps. Those that love the turbine-like howl of a four or six-cylinder engine and those that like the grumpy/happy bangers that are twins.I'm one of the latter and could never exchange that for multi-cylinder smoothness no matter how fast they can go.
My 1250 RT hauls ass when I need it, rips through twisties when I need it, crushes highway miles when I need it… all while hauling a full load of gear and luggage for long trips. Take the bags off for a lighter ride when I want it. I highly recommend getting forward pegs, a new windshield, and a new seat for really long trips. Best bike I’ve ever owned, and the most versatile.
I am buying a used '23 RT this Wednesday! My first RT (owned a '15 GS). Did you keep the stock exhaust? Which brand windshield would you recommend? Can I get the windshield in smoke color?
@@FXFBS23I kept the stock exhaust, not a lot of great options out there that have a meaningful impact, imo. Went with a Sargent seat, absolutely amazing. And did a light smoke 7 Jurock windshield without the built in air flow thing they offer… but REALLY wish I had. That windshield is very effective and on days over 85, I wish there was more cool air hitting my intakes on my helmet.
I tend to agree. Switched from a 2021 RT to a 2022 K1600 GT last year, only because I got a GREAT deal. I haven’t regretted this, but I also have to admit that you get a lot more value for your money with the RT.
I live in the upstate region of New York State (US) and I love the 2023 RT. I've done several long rides, including a 2000 mile (3218 km) trip to Nova Scotia. Love the bike, but not the navigation app. Would love to see your part of the world!
Owned one of these a few years ago.. would happily get another one .. only slight downside was the weight, and also some people thought I was a cop ( I had a white one) Love the heated seat and the range. Wind protection is the best of any stock bike .. Great for 2 up as well. Because of the wind protection think i rode on average at a lot higher speeds than any other bike I’ve owned …
@@LordyBeevill Never had a white bike before but I would have thought having a white RT and people thinking its a cop bike would be a plus? Just add a white helmet, maybe a hi vis vest as well lol And maybe some fluro and hi vis stickers on the bike lol
Been riding Beemers since '66, currently ride a 09 K1300GT, love it! I balked at the $28K price tag of 1the R1250 but on the same day saw a $95K+ Ford F-150 in a local dealership, 2 wheels or four, the parice tags are nutz!
I've had a number of road bikes, and can honestly say it's the best bike I've bought. Fully worth it. Completely capable bike in so many ways, I love it. 2024 is fantastic
I own the first 2005 R1200RT, still in mint-condition. Sadly it's without ANY extra's. It's a brilliant machine. The fact they've changed so little on this bike over the years says it all.
Sooo, RT with some basic crash bars and swap a bash plate, add 70/30 tires and the RT is a perfect gravel bike plus the usual highway miles. Last summer I swapped for 50/50 tires in Fairbanks Alaska and rode the sloppy road to Deadhorse. No need for the GS unless you are up for stump and rock crawling. RT is a perfect bike, wouldn’t swap it for anything. ❤
I picked up a new RT in March this year after 30+ years on Harley's. I just couldn't do long days on my Fat Boy. I went RT primarily for the reason you said about off road. Having had both knee and spinal surgery and at 71 yrs old no way am I going on dirt tracks. I'm 8 weeks of ownership and have already put 50% of my Harley 4 year mileage on the RT and I love it. Yes the nav takes some getting used to but my issues and frustrations were all operator error!! I would like to run alternative nav apps but hey ho it works fine if you take the time to learn how to use it.
To be fair the nab could have been user error on my part also, just found it a bit frustrating, apart from that, wonderful bike. I’m guessing it would be a massive step up in terms of comfort from your Fatboy,
I want OFF the HOG ! I never had lower back pain until riding Harleys over the past 4 years. So I'm looking at alternatives. BMW cars were always so expensive to maintain, so I am guessing the bikes no different. But they are atop of the heap for handling / braking.
I’ve owned 3 over the last 20 years. Terrific bike beautifully designed. I prefer the earlier RT’s because the new RT’s feel so heavy. FJR 1300 is a blast but I can’t do the seating position for distance. The K1600 is too big imho but a hell of a bike. I’ve owned one of those too. 👍🏻
I would be excited about a test of a range of tourers. The RT was my dream bike until I sat on it - it has a forward leaning posture and shallow pegs - I guess this is the Sport part of the sport tourer. A Gold wing offers upright seating. I'm giving up at those hight weights, so I went for a Tiger 900 GT for touring. Perhaps something to try out? Add a Touring windscreen, maybe lift the bars a tad, and off you go!
I have a r1250rt , it is much more than a tourer. All rounder, commuter, weekend trips and twisty road blaster. Previous bike was a custom Harley which was fun; the BMW is incredible, words from my independent motorcycle mechanic.
@@paulburkett-t8ethanks Paul. Yes we love shooting those rider stories, to be honest probably more so than the reviews. Plenty of rider stories coming up, with some interesting bikes also
I am buying my first RT (used, '23) this Wednesday. Very excited. I now have a HD Fat Bob and its 650 lbs. I cannot believe the RT is actually lighter than my HD
I bought my RT last year, traded my GT 1600 in on it. I’m very impressed with it, and agree with your overall assessment, especially on the App and Navigation integration, very touch and go. I also don’t have much luck with the wireless charging, it works ok with iPhone X, but nothing newer.
Interesting re wireless charging, I have an iPhone X, probably why there was no issues. Thanks for watching, great to hear you are enjoying your R1250RT, always good to hear from owners.
Have you considered using a dedicated phone for the bike? I bought a cheap factory refurbished Samsung Galaxy for my RT (MY21) since there seems to be no difference in app connectivity among the Apple or Android versions. And if you only have the app and your music (if you listen to music while riding) on the phone, nobody can access your personal information even if the phone gets stolen from the charging compartment during pit stops. In 2021 the Connected app would crash on almost every ride, and had to be rebooted. But since the 2022 s/w update it has not crashed any more. However, as you know, the app is useless for planning multi-day journeys. For that you need trip planning software and a laptop or a desktop. But for shorter rides you can save enough 'favorites' on the app and easily select one from the TFT as your next destination/waypoint.
This is probably the best solution, thanks I will look into doing this. I normally plan my routes on Basecamp and upload the gpx files to the BMW app. I still get a problem with the ‘wifi’ dropping at stops and not reconnecting.
I had a 2013 RT and a 2016 RT. Loved both! They are truly a great bike and very versatile. Put many miles on both. Last year I was thinking of upgrading to the 1250 RT but I was also interested in the 1250 GS adventure. Took the GSA out for a test ride and brought it home so my wife could check it out. She was concerned how she would feel on the back of the GSA. Wasn't going to buy the GSA if she didn't like it since she rides with me a lot. She said the ride on the GSA wasn't much different to her than the RT and gave the "green light". So I bought the 2023 GSA. Now I love both bikes but I actually prefer the riding position slightly more on the GSA as you have more leg stretch. With the large 7.9 gallon tank on the GSA and bigger windscreen on the GSA compared to the GS there is a good amount of weather protection. Granted not as much as on the RT but still good. Would I ever go back to an RT? Absolutely! Maybe I'll go back when I'm older and want the lower height.
Great review. I had the chance to swap my R1250 GSA for an RT in Provence France and Corsa Island for a 2 weeks trip with my wife in a group tour called Road2Luxe. The Rt is like you said, very at ease on twisty roads and just enough sporty in Dynamic mode …great tour bike . We did 3000km in about 14 days and only missed my GSA when hitting rough roads in Corsa!
That day to Strathgordon dam was absolutely brilliant. Long day but well worth the ride. Had a great time man. The best. I got a job in Tassie. Start 22nd July.
Love the review, thanks!! I have a R1200RT and looking at upgrading to latest R1250. I love my RT, I live downtown Brisbane and use it as main form of transport in the city and also going long distance. I just don't get why people bucket this bike as only for touring. People won't think twice of driving a big slow-ass diesel SUV downtown yet most think this bike is too big to be a commuter bike on congested narrow city streets or for parking in standard MC parking bays. The RT really is a do-anything, go-anywhere, go-nowhere, park anywhere bike (except dirt). After enough time on it, muscle memory kicks in and the RT starts to feel nimble and and there are few jams you can't get out of 😊
Great review. I'm a GSA rider and looking to add a second bike. While in Portugal 2 weeks ago I rented an RT and really enjoyed it. Comfortable, loves the curves and handles better than a GS in the twisties. I did not like the BMW app and wish they would provide the option of Android Auto instead. The RT will most likely be my additional bike.
"handles better than a GS in the twisties" I agree. On my third RT now, a 2021. Have rented and ridden several GS's (up to a 2023) and prefer RT handling and protection. Did 1000km in one day two weeks ago on a cool and rainy day in France but were totally fine on the RT.
DOn’t get me wrong, I did love the RS when I had it for review, but the RT is perfectly set up for touring, and is just as sporty, so if you plan on doing a lot of touring, it would be the RT for me.
On my 4th rt,there brilliant,just to let you know regarding the navigation,you can plan a route using the mottorad app on your phone and you can add waypoints on your chosen route,once you’ve sussed how to use it properly it’s really easy
Maybe I’m just getting old and impatient because I found the app a punish. Thanks for watching, and agree overall they are brilliant bikes. Which model did you start with?
@@BikerTorque started with 1150 then the very first 1200 in 05,twin cam 1200 in 2010,current 1250 purchased in 2022,had other bikes in between,the current model is by far the best but 2010 twin cam was a great bike and a fair bit lighter,personally I think the current model is probably the best all round motorcycle you can buy
Great specific review. My concern with the RT is that the great weather protection may be too much in a hot climate. Do you think you would get enough airflow on a 35 degree day? I’m a Kiwi, and that’s the perfect bike for touring NZ, but I now live in Perth and hence my concerns. Thanks.
These are the best bikes but you do cook on hot summers days. Lowering the screen only adds air to your helmet and the rest of you stays hot. Amazing bikes for everything but the hottest part of summer.
This bike is very high on the list for the next toy. Its seemingly perfect for my needs. One thing ive noticed though is a lot of owners are like "ive bought 3!" and i keep thinking. Why are they going through so many? By choice, for an updated chassis? Its just odd when other guys like Harley or goldwing owners will be on the same bike they got 15yrs ago.
K1600GT or GTL? So you are correct, if you are not going to go in dirt, the GS is a looks bike and the RS is the bike you should buy. If you want more power and can handle some more weight, then consider a K16.
I’ve owned several RTs including an R1250RT. Fantastic bike and tons of power. I liked my R1200 GSA better from the overall riding experience. Could never find comfort with my riding position on the 1250RT. My 2004 R1150RT was the most comfortable but I hated the servo brakes.
Great review thanks! I own a R1250RT and absolutely love it! I am in NSW and thinking about taking the RT to Tassie later this year. How well did the Spirit of Tasmania crew look after the RT you had? Any damage from the tie down process?
Hey Ross, thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it. The Spirit of Tassie crew were excellent, easy onboarding sequence and tie down was done with great care, no issues whatsoever.
I unexpectedly landed a 2014 1200. My wife said she wouldn't go on trips on the Strom (and that means I don't get to go, either). I was reluctant, trading in a newer like I had owned from 0 for one four years older and iimported used (Swiss to Serbia). Am way over it. 😊 You said it all, about the comfort and the agility. It's the same two-up, fully loaded. I'm 190 cm and old (57), so my bum and knees do suffer a bit, but we did up to 800-km days on our trip to Turkey. The RT is even manageable in a messy city, as Belgrade - yes, heavy and longish, but low. Manageable, but not at its best. My old model has no TFT, and the BMW/Garmin GPS, using the same app you mention, is total, absolute crap. I keep it on on the road, for various info. And it's a gadget 😂 I dislike, and very much, not having a convenient place to attach a phone holder and it's a must, for maps that work. What I have managed is just tolerable. Finally, the overall finish of the bike, the ergonomic details really make it great. And so expensive, even used.
Agree with your words. If you are planning on riding dirt then the GS is the one. The off roading is a gimmick to me, taking a GS really off road is really challenging. Service forest roads and dirt roads is maybe already too much for any regular GS rider. I choose an RT over a GS for that exact reason, I dont have any dirt to play around nearby so the RT is a much better handling machine on the tarmac. It has a shorter wheelbase and the 17 front inch tire is way better on the road than the 19' on the GS. Weather protection is excellent too. And the big plus of the RT, you feel like a moto cop while riding it! and they even wave at you when you pass them. Amazing stance, big but nimble and super sporty. Put it on Dynamic Mode and ride it like a cop!
Great review and info. 1) Can a sportier/louder aftermarket exhaust be installed? If so, what are the choices? 2) Would you lower the foot pegs if you owned it or is the stock peg height sufficient? Thank you!
Pretty sure there are aftermarket exhaust options, but not sure of exact models. Regarding the foot peg height, for me it was pretty much perfect, so wouldn’t make any mods with those.
I'm lucky to have a 2018 GS and an 2019 RT and more often my bike of choice has been the RT. Love the looks of the GS, but as you say I won't take my own bike worth 17k off road. Also, starting to appreciate how easy it is to get on and off the RT. Most importantly my wife prefers the RT as a pillion, says the GS is terrible.
We’ve got the R1300GS at the moment, awesome bike, but can’t wait to see that engine in the RT. Love both but still the RT for me. Thanks for watching.
stirling work ross that thing did a great job did surprise me how nimble it was in the tight stuff and fled the scene in a flash too great vid mate hope your well bring a duely next trip got places to show ya 🍺👍
@@BikerTorque Liked and subscribed. With CEO as pillion, we've ridden across the USA three times, making sure we hit all 49 states in North America. My current RT is a 2018. Do you believe modifications made after 2020 make this worthy of a trade up?
@@stevecarr323 I haven’t ridden the R1200RT but have ridden some other R1200s, R, GS and RS and the difference in the engine is noticeable…but to be honest, not entirely sure it would be worth upgrading. I’ve heard from quite a few R1200RT owners who love the model, and in typical BMW style, they tend to last. In fact I still own a 40 year old R65 with about 200k kms on the clock that’s still going strong, and is still my favourite bike to ride
That bike was a great looking bike. I am concerned about the navigation system from what you told me you were doing to end up in Ross is very concerning 😖😂🤣 I have to say it those photos with the storm clouds behind the bike are bloody awesome, well done 😎👌
To be fair, the nav went a bit haywire very early into that ride, then i saw the sign for Ross and remembered the bakery and thought, well thats our pie shop stop. Glad you liked the pics with the clouds, i think that was taken at Swansea
The app is garbage. I mounted a Zumo XT2 above the TFT. In 54 years of riding I’ve owned more than 60 bikes. My RT is by far the best bike I’ve owned or ridden. Glad to see you enjoyed it!
How did you go with the seat comfort? I have just finished a West to East and back 8,500km, and found it ordinary. The rest( except nav app) was fantastic.
Greetings from southern Finland. I'm currently on my third RT (MY21) and even though the stock seats have been sorta OK, three years ago I decided to get a Russel Day-Long tractor style saddle. It was the best investment ever. Now I can easily ride multi-day trips, and seat comfort is no longer an issue. The new seat felt a tad high at bat, but it did sag within a thousand miles or so, as advertised. Since Russel replaces the stock padding w/ their own stuff (you can choose to retain the old heating element), I went ahead and bought a salvage seat from Holland and sent it over to California. This made it possible for me to continue riding while they were working on the saddle. They have a pretty long waiting list. I am not sure whether old R1200RT seats are plug and play for 1250s, but if they are, they can probably be bought cheaply from salvage companies. After all, you only need to send the frame to Russel .
Currently riding an '02 1150RT that Ive had for 10 years now. Will upgrade at some point,maybe to a late model 1200 or 1250RT yet.Dunno. Dont think Id ever get a new one,just.a little expensive for me 😁 But for the moment my 1150RT is still OK 😊
@@BikerTorque I find it good overall only thing which can be an issue are those servo assist brakes. While they work fine if a little touchy its one of those things BMW did for the sake of it. I think the first few models of the 1200RT had them as well before they dropped them in 2007 I think it was. Having said that I havent had an issue with mine since Ive had the bike.
@@BikerTorque Its possible yeah, its not like flicking a switch ofcourse. I believe the whole ABS unit gets removed, so you would lose that and you would also lose the linked braked system, as far as I know. So you would end up with regular seperate front and rear brakes. Side note, the linked brakes on the 1150 also work a little different than the new bikes. The foot pedal also engages the front brakes, though not as strong braking force. With the new bikes, I believe the front brake lever engages the front and rear brakes while the foot pedal only engages the rear brake, correct me if Im wrong ofcourse. Which is defo better.
If you want a more practical tourer than say the K1600GT and GoldWing, then this is the bike for you. The R1250RS is comfortable, but if u want to take it one step further with roughly the same level of performance, then this is the bike for you. I think its perfect for what it is.
9:20 - The ultimate LADIES hooligan bike, thank you very much!!!! (For gentlemen as well, of course). Slight correction regarding intended use of the GS -- It's not so much for riding "off road" (although some do) but it is the perfect ALL ROADS tourer, whether sealed, gravel or even a bit gnarly. Great review of the RT. 👍
Yep, my wife thinks so, too -- she loves hers! (I've got a 1250GSA which definitely WON'T be getting traded in on a 1300GS -- I look forward to watching your review of the 1300.)
I buy used and I buy on price. Any of the big tourers will work just fine for North American mile crunching. American V twins are the popular choice here on the Canadian Prairies and are pricey. GS' are popular and pricey used. Gold Wings seem better at holding value than the BMWs. Another advantage of a machine that is not made for going off road is that they never go off road. Big tourers are owned by old dudes many of whom are obsessive about maintenance and the bike lives its life on cruise control in top gear. Its safe to buy one with significant mileage that has been well maintained. I looked at R12 GTs but ended up with a K1600GT. Where I live there are more sellers than buyers so it's easy to find a very well maintained example for a good price.
@@BikerTorque I visited the BMW dealership today and saw that there are still new 2022 K1600s for sale at very discounted prices. We are just past the prime spring selling season. I figure that it's only a matter of time until BMW discontinues the model especially with the big touring editions of the R18 that have been introduced. Mine is a 2013 model that I purchased recently with 80,000 km. It's been well looked after and I get the impression that it's built like a tank. It's very good at long days on the highway and there's no other reason to buy one. I recently spent ten hours in the saddle for a long ride from Vernon BC to Edmonton Alberta. I'm 5'11", 190 lbs and 64 years old. I'm intimidated by the weight of the machine. I've accepted that at some point the bike will have a low speed drop. I have the luxury of having a KTM SMCR for getting around town and for short blasts on the highway. Someone who is younger and stronger than I am might consider a K1600 as an only bike but it's still a poor choice for anything other than the highway.
If you live in Australia the RS could arguably be the best choice. In the UK you need weather protection which makes the RT a clear winner. The RT is also probably better for a pillion & luggage, and the slightly more upright riding position suits most older riders. The GS is just a pretend off-roader. Barring rally riders who is going to take one properly off road and risk dropping it? If you avoided bankruptcy from the cost of repairs, you'd still be in hospital getting your hernia repaired after trying to recover it. I chose a 2019 RT because I wanted conventional dials and the separate satnav housing - couldn't be arsed with the current TFT screen, BMW app & phone link, etc.
Agree, regarding the GS, I can’t see to many people doing serious off roading on them. We do have a 1300GS at the moment, wow, just wow, what a bike, can’t wait to see the R1300 RT and if the rumours are true it will have a brand new dual / automatic transmission system, a first for BMW, surprised it’s taken them this long to develop one.
So, I went to look at one, cause the new style called me a bit. I don't really care much anymore for BMW bikes, after 2 K1600 with all kind of crazy issues. By the time they gave me a proposal out the door price, I was able to get a new Goldwing DCT Tour out the door priced cheaper than the RT. So, I went with the Honda. Unbelievable bike.
That’s surprising that the Goldwing came in under the R1250RT. Out of interest, what issues did you have with the K1600? I haven’t ridden one but keep hearing mostly very positive things about the bike. Thanks for watching
@@BikerTorque The RT is friendlier in city riding. The wing is a tank, however I would say now, after owning one, no regrets for even city riding. The K's both ate a bit of oil which its know on them. Both of them, out of no where, always had some kind of electrical/sensor issues. If you don't own the maint. reset tool, you need to run to the dealer to clear them. The Grand America was a different story. Got it new, back in 18, once reached around 12k miles, all kind of electrical problems. It was not a Lemon bike, was told. Moreover, handlebar was always slightly pushing to the left. Was also speed limited heavily. The GA hated riding between 2 trucks, the dirty air issue would wobble the bike and that was crazy, than big recall on the gear issue, than if you use reverse mode, you better not shut her down in reverse. It could be bad news. On top of that, in hot days, this bike boils in stop and go traffic. Just was not impressed anymore. Just too much for one rider to take. I just wanted to ride and not worry if tomorrow the check engine light will be on. Not for me. With the wing, I just ride and ride and ride and never once, once to the dealer with even a tiny issue, zero, nothing.
As far as Beemers go, I like the old stuff. But if I was going to go full grey nomad on bikes, I think this would be it. Same sentiment with the Goldwing. However, the servicing is unnecessarily complicated (expensive). The BMW is easy to maintain in comparison. And plus, Honda is more boring to ride than a BMW. But it’s a close call. 😅
Yep, totally. Have you heard the rumours about the automatic transmission BMW are developing which we will likely see in the 1300 cc version of this bike?
The RT is a great bike. Smooth with great wind protection, but I would never buy one. My legs are too long for the leg position. On long rides it’s not comfortable for me. The GS for me is the perfect bike. Same power train and a much better seating position for long rides. The added benefit of being able to ride unimproved roads on the GS makes it an ideal bike for me.
@@BikerTorque I’m 6ft tall or about 183cm. Age has something to do with it too. When I was in my 20’s I could ride a sport bike all day long. Now that I’m 51 I find my knees and hips don’t like the extreme angles for very long.
I had a ‘23 for 2 seasons - yes it does what it is supposed to except for the app - navigation cannot be relied on - BUT - this is not a sporty or even engaging ride. I found it so boring that I would often choose my pick up truck over it. At the end of the last season I traded it for an S1000XR which, for me, is the far better touring machine - with a superior trade off between comfort and grin factor. Unless your whole thing is two-up mile munching I would not recommend.
That’s interesting, because I genuinely found it engaging when I really wanted to push it. Have recently ridden the XR which is wonderful and definitely more sporty
I’m probably the only defender of the BMW app in the bike world. I find it excellent, and adding waypoints is easy as hell. The only issue is turning off notifications and putting on do not disturb. If you do both, you won’t ever drop the connection. The navigation is perfect and simple. To add waypoints: 1) search for destination (using the map icon from main screen) use postal code or name 2) select your destination 3) on left at the bottom click the waypoint icon (map with dotted line and waypoint sign (DOH!!!) 4) choose from drop down (set as start point or set as destination/waypoint) 5) once set choose route type, fast/winding/etc on central button at bottom 6) to add another waypoint click + icon (top right of dialogue box) 7) use postal code, name or icon ribbon bar with categorised POIs (petrol, food, etc) 8) click floppy disk icon to name and save route 9) when connected to bike, go to nav screen and saved rides 10) become a good biking journo by reading manuals and instructions so you can inform the audience better
Hey thanks for the info, shall try and get that working next time I get a BMW with a nav. Just got the record, I’m actually not a journo, the UA-cam channel is just a hobby. Thanks so much for the support.
@BikerTorque believe it or not I ran an enduro race on it a few months back. Up till then, fire roads and some motocross tracks. I finished last but i didn't care. My goal was to try and I did. No doubt the gsa looked crazy out there next to dirt bikes and dual sports but man did i have a blast. Nothing like feeling that boxer power pulling you up hills over boulders or getting 600lbs airborne. Worst part was having to pick the heavy beast up every time I washed out. After 45 min i had nothing left in the tank...which is why i finished last lol
@@dnbanb and that’s what life’s all about, having a crack. You finished and that’s the main thing, although not sure I’d be keen to take a GS full on Enduro.
@@dnbanb cheers mate, we’ve just handed back the R1300GS, that video will be up soon, no way I ever go Enduro on it, graded dirt and gravel yes. Glad to hear you are enjoying the channel, we are really enjoying producing it.
@@BikerTorque not much in the price mate the gsa is simular price when u fit the panniers i like the rt but the gsa makes the rt feel low down also the vast plastic front takes too much away from the wind in your hair experience its almost like a car
@@austinmatthews347 ok I see what you mean, yes with the screen up it does feel like you are riding in a bubble. Wind in my hair? Have you seen my head? LOL. Thanks for watching.
@@BikerTorque its kind of hard to put into words i first started to get interested in the 'jallopies' back around 2018 upto that point i regarded the boxer bijes as plane wiered. Well around 2018 i started getting curious. I viewed a r1100rt ex police but i found that to ugly 1150 looked a tad better with 6 gears also but i waited until early 2019 i found a 2005 1200rt wizzy brakes etc had it about a year crashed it in scitland was amazed by how well it crashed i had no injuries and stayed 'on' the bike on its side i sold it after fixing the minor damage went back to jap inline 4s but got the itch again in 2022 so low and behold i have got the gsa rallye the rt is basically a low faired gs but to me the rt seemed just too much for a 2 hour blat and as i say the mass of frontal area cossits me too much where the gsa although very wide is smaller around head fairing so is more open to the outdoors which i like lets face it the gsa is a do it all kind of suv of the bike world its good at most things
Why buy an RT? Because everybody already rides a GS and I hate those ugly bikes, that never leave the tarmac but instead give you a fake feeling of adventure. An RT is made for the (long)road, most comfortable bike i've ever had. I love my RT.
Although I do like the GS, totally agree the RT is a much better option for most riders, and probably the most comfortable purpose built tourer I’ve ever ridden
I was in Munich this summer and went to their factory showroom. I sat on their Alpine White R 1250R . I think it's beautiful and fit me perfect (5'5"). It was everything I would want in a touring bike, and NOT too damn big. Most touring bikes (with all the luggage) look like pregnant water buffalo. Not this one. Also most bikes have really fatazz saddles (seats) that are way too wide for my pelvis. This one is perfect and allows my 29" legs to touch the ground. If I didn't already have 10 bikes, and my wife to nag me about "an 11th", one would be sitting in my garage right now.
Thanks for sharing. I’d love to go the the factory in Munich one day, I hear the museum is pretty special. Agree with you on the saddle, and only 10 bikes, surely there’s room for one more
I am selling my r1200GS because my r1100rt does just fine for my touring. I'd rather use my cash on a Harley cruiser for local riding with a lot of torque.
Nice video. I have a 2020 R 1250 RS and love it so much. That boxer with the shift-cam technology is a torque beast. I recently did a complete titanium Akrapovic exhaust and a BrenTune from BT Moto, which has transformed the bike. If you want to hear what the tune has done for me bike, check out the video: ua-cam.com/video/tnWim5JbeKU/v-deo.htmlsi=JIifJ0OGx_Km8Ws5 Can't wait to check out the 1300 boxer when it gets to the R 1250 R, RS and RT. I understand the quick shifter is more smooth on that 1300 boxer.
@@BikerTorque true, I apparently was summarizing! But one other thing about all modern BMWs, including the venerable RT, is that if you want/need to work on your own bike they are no longer the best choice. It’s been true a pretty long time now. Hard to recall when BMWs came with comprehensive owners manuals and a pretty reasonable tool set. Very hard actually, I am 71. But they did. Now BMW have made that very hard to do by many separate, but jointly effective, approaches to the engineering, execution and distribution of the products. It changes the whole notion of motorcycling. Other makers do it too, but not so extensively, I would say, as BMW. Anyway that could be another reason not to get one for your road burner. Getting stuck in a remote place with an error code, no tool, no manual, no dealer, etc etc, is a drag. The thing is, passing through all those remote places Between somewhere and somewhere else is the whole point of riding. For me at least.
Some lard*rse rides one of these to the parking bay I commute to. It takes up the space of two bikes, it's the size of a Gold Wing. Just ride a GS/RS and don't be selfish lol
We Canadians will NEVER use this navigation as it is very expensive to have data in the USA. What was wrong with the previous Garmin GPS? I have NO idea! Thus I will NEVER buy this bike with this stupid navigation/screen.
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If you have a lot of money to burn and want a truly ugly machine, you should buy one!
Anyone agree with this sentiment?
@BikerTorque not at all. The bike is beautiful and the price reflects alot of value you wont get for a long distance tourer from other makers.
@@dnbanb spot on
@@BikerTorque No. People compliment it all the time. I think it is as beautiful as my Blackbird was - and that's saying a lot, because the 'Bird is one of the classic beauties.
I believe the Goldwing F6B delivers more bang for your buck. And a perfect everyday allrounder. It weighs more, but is lower so you don’t feel that weight. And, cost of maintenance is significantly lower. The DCT is very smart, perfect shifts everytime.
For more than 20 years, every single review on BMW RT´s starts and ends with "an absolutelly awesome bike". It´s as simple as that. Always.
And all those reviews are absolutely spot on. Thanks for watching.
Yes I ride an RT and I wouldn’t change it for the world. Everyone should try to ride one at least once in their lifetime.
100% agree. Thanks for watching
I'm on my fourth RT. It is a fantastic ride.
@@lestersmyth692 just curious. Do you use a handlebar riser?
16 years on a CBR1100XX Blackbird, loved it. Scoffed at ever buying a stodgy, posh BMW. But, the 'Bird got old, 90K miles, and I started looking around. Friends riding GS's were fast on the backroads and raved about their bikes. But I wanted a bit more comfort for those long days. Before covid, I took a test ride on an RT - when I say test ride, I mean that I rented one in San Francisco and did 1600 miles of Northern California with my wife riding pillion. I was surprised by how capable it was. So when I got a bonus at work, I went right down to the dealer and bought my own RT in 2021. I love this bike. I can whip it around mountain roads with gusto, or ride the open country roads or highway with the cruise control on, either way, I'm perfectly comfortable for 3-400 miles. I did finally get the Connected app sorted, but it does have shortcomings. So I mounted a Zumo XT, which has its own shortcomings. But between the two, I always get there! 😆
1600 miles. That’s a decent test ride. Thanks for sharing, would love to try a blackbird one day
The Blackbird is a once in a generation bike. All these years later im still in love with the design and performance of that bike. What a machine
@@dnbanb Yes it was! While I owned it, I'd tell people "This is the only vehicle I've ever owned that I like *more* every year." Beautiful in appearance. Well-mannered at any speed from parking lot to ludicrously fast. Stable yet carved corners with aplomb. Surprisingly comfortable on long days. A true "Gentleman's Express".
Wow, that's some bonus.👌
@@tigerick7291 First thing my boss said was "Are you sitting down? Maybe you should sit down." 😮 FIrst job I've had where bonuses weren't just symbolic, buy yourself a nice dinner amounts.
Hey there from the other side of the world. I'm a K1600gt owner and just had the 1250 RT as a loaner, because my bike was at the workshops and I have to agree with you that the RT is a great bike. It feels relativly light and nimble for the heavy thing that it is. My own bike feels more heavy and is not as nimble but I like the inline six cylinder engine even more than the boxer. More power, more top end rush und all the comfort you might want. You have to ride the six cylinder just to try it. It's an awesome engine and just over 6000 rpm it really sings. Always brings a smile to my face.
Cheers thanks for sharing, definitely hoping to get on one of the K series bikes at some stage. Thanks for watching, enjoy that K1600 of yours I’m sure it’s a wonderful bike.
I accept that for you, the K1600 is absolutely fabulous. I think riders' natures are divided into two camps. Those that love the turbine-like howl of a four or six-cylinder engine and those that like the grumpy/happy bangers that are twins.I'm one of the latter and could never exchange that for multi-cylinder smoothness no matter how fast they can go.
My 1250 RT hauls ass when I need it, rips through twisties when I need it, crushes highway miles when I need it… all while hauling a full load of gear and luggage for long trips.
Take the bags off for a lighter ride when I want it. I highly recommend getting forward pegs, a new windshield, and a new seat for really long trips. Best bike I’ve ever owned, and the most versatile.
Forward pegs? Where do the attached? Great bike, loved my time with it
I mounted mine on my engine guard I installed. The ability to change foot positions on very long rides is invaluable.
I am buying a used '23 RT this Wednesday! My first RT (owned a '15 GS). Did you keep the stock exhaust? Which brand windshield would you recommend? Can I get the windshield in smoke color?
@@FXFBS23I kept the stock exhaust, not a lot of great options out there that have a meaningful impact, imo.
Went with a Sargent seat, absolutely amazing. And did a light smoke 7 Jurock windshield without the built in air flow thing they offer… but REALLY wish I had. That windshield is very effective and on days over 85, I wish there was more cool air hitting my intakes on my helmet.
Excellent review and comparison video. Very informative and delightful.
Glad you enjoyed it! And thanks for watching, do you ride an RT?
According to all reviews I have seen, the 1250 RT is the best tourer in the BMW lineup.
Absolutely no arguments from me, best tourer I’ve ever ridden.
I tend to agree. Switched from a 2021 RT to a 2022 K1600 GT last year, only because I got a GREAT deal. I haven’t regretted this, but I also have to admit that you get a lot more value for your money with the RT.
Weight a factor when pushing it around and parking on sloped surface.
@@ronfeast932 no more than any big touring bike, in fact it's probably a little easier because of the low centre of gravity.
I’d argue that the K1600 is better for touring specifically, but the RT beats it when you factor in everything else
Tasmania was my home state and we return to ride every two years. The "Westcoaster" is my favourite road. Gravel with awesome scenery
I’m planning on heading back at some stage and doing some dirt / gravel roads, can’t wait.
I live in the upstate region of New York State (US) and I love the 2023 RT. I've done several long rides, including a 2000 mile (3218 km) trip to Nova Scotia. Love the bike, but not the navigation app. Would love to see your part of the world!
Owned one of these a few years ago.. would happily get another one .. only slight downside was the weight, and also some people thought I was a cop ( I had a white one)
Love the heated seat and the range. Wind protection is the best of any stock bike .. Great for 2 up as well. Because of the wind protection think i rode on average at a lot higher speeds than any other bike I’ve owned …
They are heavy, but carry it really well, particularly once you start moving, typical boxer.
@@LordyBeevill
Never had a white bike before but I would have thought having a white RT and people thinking its a cop bike would be a plus?
Just add a white helmet, maybe a hi vis vest as well lol
And maybe some fluro and hi vis stickers on the bike lol
Been riding Beemers since '66, currently ride a 09 K1300GT, love it! I balked at the $28K price tag of 1the R1250 but on the same day saw a $95K+ Ford F-150 in a local dealership, 2 wheels or four, the parice tags are nutz!
Yes, things are certainly getting expensive
I've had a number of road bikes, and can honestly say it's the best bike I've bought. Fully worth it. Completely capable bike in so many ways, I love it.
2024 is fantastic
Spot on. I think when I’m ready to do some serious touring, the R1250RT ( or maybe R1300RT) will be at the very top of a short list.
@@bryanhenderson736 waiting for the 2025 with ASA!
@bcuzicancuellar5478 personally not a fan of the new models styling.
The quickshift isn't good enough??
I own the first 2005 R1200RT, still in mint-condition. Sadly it's without ANY extra's.
It's a brilliant machine. The fact they've changed so little on this bike over the years says it all.
Absolutely. How many kms do you have on it?
Sooo, RT with some basic crash bars and swap a bash plate, add 70/30 tires and the RT is a perfect gravel bike plus the usual highway miles. Last summer I swapped for 50/50 tires in Fairbanks Alaska and rode the sloppy road to Deadhorse. No need for the GS unless you are up for stump and rock crawling. RT is a perfect bike, wouldn’t swap it for anything. ❤
That ride sounds awesome.
I picked up a new RT in March this year after 30+ years on Harley's. I just couldn't do long days on my Fat Boy. I went RT primarily for the reason you said about off road. Having had both knee and spinal surgery and at 71 yrs old no way am I going on dirt tracks. I'm 8 weeks of ownership and have already put 50% of my Harley 4 year mileage on the RT and I love it. Yes the nav takes some getting used to but my issues and frustrations were all operator error!! I would like to run alternative nav apps but hey ho it works fine if you take the time to learn how to use it.
To be fair the nab could have been user error on my part also, just found it a bit frustrating, apart from that, wonderful bike. I’m guessing it would be a massive step up in terms of comfort from your Fatboy,
I want OFF the HOG ! I never had lower back pain until riding Harleys over the past 4 years. So I'm looking at alternatives. BMW cars were always so expensive to maintain, so I am guessing the bikes no different. But they are atop of the heap for handling / braking.
I’ve owned 3 over the last 20 years. Terrific bike beautifully designed. I prefer the earlier RT’s because the new RT’s feel so heavy. FJR 1300 is a blast but I can’t do the seating position for distance. The K1600 is too big imho but a hell of a bike. I’ve owned one of those too. 👍🏻
I actually didn’t find it that heavy, but then again I own an R18
I think BMw could get rid of the bulk by getting rid of the radio and speakers and narrowing the fairing.
I would be excited about a test of a range of tourers. The RT was my dream bike until I sat on it - it has a forward leaning posture and shallow pegs - I guess this is the Sport part of the sport tourer. A Gold wing offers upright seating. I'm giving up at those hight weights, so I went for a Tiger 900 GT for touring. Perhaps something to try out? Add a Touring windscreen, maybe lift the bars a tad, and off you go!
Would love to try the Tiger 900 GT. Shall see I we can get one to try, Triumph in Australia has been a bit hard to contact of late.
I have a r1250rt , it is much more than a tourer. All rounder, commuter, weekend trips and twisty road blaster. Previous bike was a custom Harley which was fun; the BMW is incredible, words from my independent motorcycle mechanic.
Totally agree, the RT is the complete package
@@BikerTorque enjoy your show. Especially the segments on riders, that Ducati 900ss , the guy with the Laverda brilliant
@@paulburkett-t8ethanks Paul. Yes we love shooting those rider stories, to be honest probably more so than the reviews. Plenty of rider stories coming up, with some interesting bikes also
I am buying my first RT (used, '23) this Wednesday. Very excited. I now have a HD Fat Bob and its 650 lbs. I cannot believe the RT is actually lighter than my HD
I bought my RT last year, traded my GT 1600 in on it. I’m very impressed with it, and agree with your overall assessment, especially on the App and Navigation integration, very touch and go. I also don’t have much luck with the wireless charging, it works ok with iPhone X, but nothing newer.
Interesting re wireless charging, I have an iPhone X, probably why there was no issues. Thanks for watching, great to hear you are enjoying your R1250RT, always good to hear from owners.
Have you considered using a dedicated phone for the bike? I bought a cheap factory refurbished Samsung Galaxy for my RT (MY21) since there seems to be no difference in app connectivity among the Apple or Android versions.
And if you only have the app and your music (if you listen to music while riding) on the phone, nobody can access your personal information even if the phone gets stolen from the charging compartment during pit stops.
In 2021 the Connected app would crash on almost every ride, and had to be rebooted. But since the 2022 s/w update it has not crashed any more.
However, as you know, the app is useless for planning multi-day journeys. For that you need trip planning software and a laptop or a desktop. But for shorter rides you can save enough 'favorites' on the app and easily select one from the TFT as your next destination/waypoint.
This is probably the best solution, thanks I will look into doing this.
I normally plan my routes on Basecamp and upload the gpx files to the BMW app.
I still get a problem with the ‘wifi’ dropping at stops and not reconnecting.
got a 1 owner '16 plate original top box + panniers ,LE in black for £6k put 23k on it so far...no issues at all..great bike
Nice one, they really are great bikes, thanks for watching
I had a 2013 RT and a 2016 RT. Loved both! They are truly a great bike and very versatile. Put many miles on both. Last year I was thinking of upgrading to the 1250 RT but I was also interested in the 1250 GS adventure. Took the GSA out for a test ride and brought it home so my wife could check it out. She was concerned how she would feel on the back of the GSA. Wasn't going to buy the GSA if she didn't like it since she rides with me a lot. She said the ride on the GSA wasn't much different to her than the RT and gave the "green light". So I bought the 2023 GSA. Now I love both bikes but I actually prefer the riding position slightly more on the GSA as you have more leg stretch. With the large 7.9 gallon tank on the GSA and bigger windscreen on the GSA compared to the GS there is a good amount of weather protection. Granted not as much as on the RT but still good. Would I ever go back to an RT? Absolutely! Maybe I'll go back when I'm older and want the lower height.
Good insight into the differences, particularly for a pillion, thanks for sharing
Great review. I had the chance to swap my R1250 GSA for an RT in Provence France and Corsa Island for a 2 weeks trip with my wife in a group tour called Road2Luxe. The Rt is like you said, very at ease on twisty roads and just enough sporty in Dynamic mode …great tour bike . We did 3000km in about 14 days and only missed my GSA when hitting rough roads in Corsa!
Cheers, and thanks for sharing your experience in the R1250RT. Sounds like you had a great tour
That day to Strathgordon dam was absolutely brilliant. Long day but well worth the ride. Had a great time man. The best. I got a job in Tassie. Start 22nd July.
Yes it was! Certainly my favourite day of the trip. Nice one, all the best with the new job, when do you head down there?
This a beautiful motorcycle and easy can be exchange by the GS and jump on a R1250RT...love this bike
Thanks for watching
I found the same problems with the BMW App. I much prefer a separate GPS unit like on the GS or in the case of the RT, a Garmin!
Glad it wasn’t just me
Love the review, thanks!! I have a R1200RT and looking at upgrading to latest R1250. I love my RT, I live downtown Brisbane and use it as main form of transport in the city and also going long distance. I just don't get why people bucket this bike as only for touring. People won't think twice of driving a big slow-ass diesel SUV downtown yet most think this bike is too big to be a commuter bike on congested narrow city streets or for parking in standard MC parking bays. The RT really is a do-anything, go-anywhere, go-nowhere, park anywhere bike (except dirt). After enough time on it, muscle memory kicks in and the RT starts to feel nimble and and there are few jams you can't get out of 😊
Absolutely agree, the RT is sporty. I reckon the 1250 is a decent upgrade from the 1200, but really keen to ride the R1300RT when it arrives.
Great review. I'm a GSA rider and looking to add a second bike. While in Portugal 2 weeks ago I rented an RT and really enjoyed it. Comfortable, loves the curves and handles better than a GS in the twisties. I did not like the BMW app and wish they would provide the option of Android Auto instead. The RT will most likely be my additional bike.
Great to hear you enjoyed the RT, it would make one hell of a second bike
"handles better than a GS in the twisties" I agree. On my third RT now, a 2021. Have rented and ridden several GS's (up to a 2023) and prefer RT handling and protection. Did 1000km in one day two weeks ago on a cool and rainy day in France but were totally fine on the RT.
@@russspeiser4540 I second that. Don't get me wrong the GS handles really well, but the RT is wonderful.
Great video chat by you guys. I've had several RT, but am now thinking of an RS. Just not exactly sure why...my 2020 RT is pretty fantastic!
DOn’t get me wrong, I did love the RS when I had it for review, but the RT is perfectly set up for touring, and is just as sporty, so if you plan on doing a lot of touring, it would be the RT for me.
On my 4th rt,there brilliant,just to let you know regarding the navigation,you can plan a route using the mottorad app on your phone and you can add waypoints on your chosen route,once you’ve sussed how to use it properly it’s really easy
Maybe I’m just getting old and impatient because I found the app a punish. Thanks for watching, and agree overall they are brilliant bikes. Which model did you start with?
It would be interesting to hear how they have advanced over the years.
@@BikerTorque started with 1150 then the very first 1200 in 05,twin cam 1200 in 2010,current 1250 purchased in 2022,had other bikes in between,the current model is by far the best but 2010 twin cam was a great bike and a fair bit lighter,personally I think the current model is probably the best all round motorcycle you can buy
The BMW RT is an excellent motorcycle. If you want a 1250, then just wait if you can, till the 1300’s come out, and then go get a killer deal.
Yes thats a good tip
Any BMW boxer is a kick arse bike.
Absolutely, but have to say that any airhead is the most kick arse. Thanks for watching
You mean for the repair shop, mate???? You're right.....And it doesn't come cheap, does it ???? ANYWAY CHEERS AND ENJOY...
@@javigasbot I’ve owned 4 boxers over the last 25 years and never had a issue, and airheads, well they are simple enough to work on at home.
Great specific review. My concern with the RT is that the great weather protection may be too much in a hot climate. Do you think you would get enough airflow on a 35 degree day? I’m a Kiwi, and that’s the perfect bike for touring NZ, but I now live in Perth and hence my concerns. Thanks.
Air flow is not an issue, just drop the screen, I reckon it would be fine.
These are the best bikes but you do cook on hot summers days. Lowering the screen only adds air to your helmet and the rest of you stays hot. Amazing bikes for everything but the hottest part of summer.
Great review, thanks for sharing it.
No problem 👍and thanks for watching
This bike is very high on the list for the next toy. Its seemingly perfect for my needs. One thing ive noticed though is a lot of owners are like "ive bought 3!" and i keep thinking. Why are they going through so many? By choice, for an updated chassis? Its just odd when other guys like Harley or goldwing owners will be on the same bike they got 15yrs ago.
I think it’s definitely by choice, probably pretty good resale value and some people like to have the latest and greatest
P...s envy,the sun always shine brighter on the shiny new model with abcmptqrez tech. I know it does for me.
After 8 years on a bmw GSA 1200 and 45 years of riding a Harley 1600, I now own a R1250RT. Best bike ever! Period!!
That’s a solid endorsement for the RT, loved my time with it. Thanks for watching
K1600GT or GTL? So you are correct, if you are not going to go in dirt, the GS is a looks bike and the RS is the bike you should buy. If you want more power and can handle some more weight, then consider a K16.
Would love to try the K1600 at some point
I’ve owned several RTs including an R1250RT. Fantastic bike and tons of power. I liked my R1200 GSA better from the overall riding experience. Could never find comfort with my riding position
on the 1250RT. My 2004 R1150RT was the most comfortable but I hated the servo brakes.
Thanks for sharing, yes have heard the servo brakes on the R1150 were an issue for many.
Great review thanks! I own a R1250RT and absolutely love it! I am in NSW and thinking about taking the RT to Tassie later this year. How well did the Spirit of Tasmania crew look after the RT you had? Any damage from the tie down process?
Hey Ross, thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it. The Spirit of Tassie crew were excellent, easy onboarding sequence and tie down was done with great care, no issues whatsoever.
Thanks for the fast response. 👍
I unexpectedly landed a 2014 1200. My wife said she wouldn't go on trips on the Strom (and that means I don't get to go, either). I was reluctant, trading in a newer like I had owned from 0 for one four years older and iimported used (Swiss to Serbia).
Am way over it. 😊
You said it all, about the comfort and the agility. It's the same two-up, fully loaded. I'm 190 cm and old (57), so my bum and knees do suffer a bit, but we did up to 800-km days on our trip to Turkey.
The RT is even manageable in a messy city, as Belgrade - yes, heavy and longish, but low. Manageable, but not at its best.
My old model has no TFT, and the BMW/Garmin GPS, using the same app you mention, is total, absolute crap. I keep it on on the road, for various info. And it's a gadget 😂
I dislike, and very much, not having a convenient place to attach a phone holder and it's a must, for maps that work. What I have managed is just tolerable.
Finally, the overall finish of the bike, the ergonomic details really make it great.
And so expensive, even used.
I didn’t get to ride it to up, but rode my rR1200R two up many times and agree, still really comfortable and agile.
Agree with your words. If you are planning on riding dirt then the GS is the one. The off roading is a gimmick to me, taking a GS really off road is really challenging. Service forest roads and dirt roads is maybe already too much for any regular GS rider. I choose an RT over a GS for that exact reason, I dont have any dirt to play around nearby so the RT is a much better handling machine on the tarmac. It has a shorter wheelbase and the 17 front inch tire is way better on the road than the 19' on the GS. Weather protection is excellent too. And the big plus of the RT, you feel like a moto cop while riding it! and they even wave at you when you pass them. Amazing stance, big but nimble and super sporty. Put it on Dynamic Mode and ride it like a cop!
How good is Dynamic mode, loved it. Thanks for watching, glad to hear you are loving your RT
Great review and info. 1) Can a sportier/louder aftermarket exhaust be installed? If so, what are the choices? 2) Would you lower the foot pegs if you owned it or is the stock peg height sufficient? Thank you!
Pretty sure there are aftermarket exhaust options, but not sure of exact models. Regarding the foot peg height, for me it was pretty much perfect, so wouldn’t make any mods with those.
@@BikerTorque awesome, thank you for the reply. Great channel
@@FXFBS23thanks glad to hear you are enjoying the content.
That bike was an absolute rocket on that trip. It looked great too.
It was!
I'm lucky to have a 2018 GS and an 2019 RT and more often my bike of choice has been the RT. Love the looks of the GS, but as you say I won't take my own bike worth 17k off road. Also, starting to appreciate how easy it is to get on and off the RT. Most importantly my wife prefers the RT as a pillion, says the GS is terrible.
We’ve got the R1300GS at the moment, awesome bike, but can’t wait to see that engine in the RT. Love both but still the RT for me. Thanks for watching.
stirling work ross that thing did a great job did surprise me how nimble it was in the tight stuff and fled the scene in a flash too great vid mate hope your well bring a duely next trip got places to show ya 🍺👍
Why thank you my friend. Yes, will have to go dial sport next time I’m in Tassie. Might have to speak to Yamaha about getting a new Tenere (or two)
@@BikerTorque yeees thatd be very sweet
Nice video. I may have to plan a visit and ride Tasmania.
You should! Definitely some of the best roads in Australia. Thanks for watching
is there anything better than this bike for short riders for touring that has dynamic cruise control?
There may be something better, but I doubt it
Hi, good review , I have a k1600GT but thinking of buying a1250rt after having a test ride on one,
Be great to see a direct comparison…
I will see if we can get one, I don’t think BMW Australia have one in the press fleet anymore, but might be able to get one from the dealer.
Excellent review, Tassy looks like a brilliant ride. Q. The mirrors on that RT look like they are very low, or was it a camera optical delusion ??
A. Tassie was awesome, and definitely a delusion.🤣🤣🤣
I'd love to ride my R1250RT from Sydney to Melbourne. Only problem is that I live in Washington state, USA....
Lol, it would be a bit of a trek. Maybe Washington State to New Orleans for you…
@@BikerTorque Liked and subscribed. With CEO as pillion, we've ridden across the USA three times, making sure we hit all 49 states in North America. My current RT is a 2018. Do you believe modifications made after 2020 make this worthy of a trade up?
@@stevecarr323 I haven’t ridden the R1200RT but have ridden some other R1200s, R, GS and RS and the difference in the engine is noticeable…but to be honest, not entirely sure it would be worth upgrading. I’ve heard from quite a few R1200RT owners who love the model, and in typical BMW style, they tend to last. In fact I still own a 40 year old R65 with about 200k kms on the clock that’s still going strong, and is still my favourite bike to ride
That bike was a great looking bike. I am concerned about the navigation system from what you told me you were doing to end up in Ross is very concerning 😖😂🤣 I have to say it those photos with the storm clouds behind the bike are bloody awesome, well done 😎👌
To be fair, the nav went a bit haywire very early into that ride, then i saw the sign for Ross and remembered the bakery and thought, well thats our pie shop stop. Glad you liked the pics with the clouds, i think that was taken at Swansea
@@BikerTorque yep Swansea 👌
The app is garbage. I mounted a Zumo XT2 above the TFT. In 54 years of riding I’ve owned more than 60 bikes. My RT is by far the best bike I’ve owned or ridden. Glad to see you enjoyed it!
I really did enjoy the bike, near perfect touring bike, apart from that app. Not familiar with the Zumo XT2. Thanks for watching
How did you go with the seat comfort? I have just finished a West to East and back 8,500km, and found it ordinary. The rest( except nav app) was fantastic.
Pretty sure I had the standard seat and have to say, absolutely no issue with comfort for me.
Greetings from southern Finland. I'm currently on my third RT (MY21) and even though the stock seats have been sorta OK, three years ago I decided to get a Russel Day-Long tractor style saddle. It was the best investment ever. Now I can easily ride multi-day trips, and seat comfort is no longer an issue.
The new seat felt a tad high at bat, but it did sag within a thousand miles or so, as advertised.
Since Russel replaces the stock padding w/ their own stuff (you can choose to retain the old heating element), I went ahead and bought a salvage seat from Holland and sent it over to California. This made it possible for me to continue riding while they were working on the saddle. They have a pretty long waiting list.
I am not sure whether old R1200RT seats are plug and play for 1250s, but if they are, they can probably be bought cheaply from salvage companies. After all, you only need to send the frame to Russel .
Currently riding an '02 1150RT that Ive had for 10 years now.
Will upgrade at some point,maybe to a late model 1200 or 1250RT yet.Dunno.
Dont think Id ever get a new one,just.a little expensive for me 😁
But for the moment my 1150RT is still OK 😊
Hey if it works for you and makes you happy, agree no need to upgrade. I actually quite like the R1150RT models, great bikes.
@@BikerTorque
I find it good overall only thing which can be an issue are those servo assist brakes.
While they work fine if a little touchy its one of those things BMW did for the sake of it.
I think the first few models of the 1200RT had them as well before they dropped them in 2007 I think it was.
Having said that I havent had an issue with mine since Ive had the bike.
@@fonzitheman I think I’d heard that you could disable that feature, could be wrong.
@@BikerTorque
Its possible yeah, its not like flicking a switch ofcourse.
I believe the whole ABS unit gets removed, so you would lose that and you would also lose the linked braked system, as far as I know.
So you would end up with regular seperate front and rear brakes.
Side note, the linked brakes on the 1150 also work a little different than the new bikes.
The foot pedal also engages the front brakes, though not as strong braking force.
With the new bikes, I believe the front brake lever engages the front and rear brakes while the foot pedal only engages the rear brake, correct me if Im wrong ofcourse.
Which is defo better.
If you want a more practical tourer than say the K1600GT and GoldWing, then this is the bike for you. The R1250RS is comfortable, but if u want to take it one step further with roughly the same level of performance, then this is the bike for you. I think its perfect for what it is.
Agree
I owned at 1250 RT and went back to a Honda ST1300 ...... the ST1300 is something else......Like riding on a cloud ......
What didn’t you like about the R1250RT? I haven’t ridden the Honda, but would love to try one at some point.
9:20 - The ultimate LADIES hooligan bike, thank you very much!!!! (For gentlemen as well, of course).
Slight correction regarding intended use of the GS -- It's not so much for riding "off road" (although some do) but it is the perfect ALL ROADS tourer, whether sealed, gravel or even a bit gnarly.
Great review of the RT. 👍
Thanks for watching, yea it is a bit of a hooligan bike
Yep, my wife thinks so, too -- she loves hers! (I've got a 1250GSA which definitely WON'T be getting traded in on a 1300GS -- I look forward to watching your review of the 1300.)
@@couttsy222nice couple of boxers in your garage, good stuff. Have you seen the R20 concept bike, looks like a beast.
Thanks -- they keep the other two older boxers company 🙂
Yes, was watching the R20 concept earlier. Can't accuse BMW of at least trying!
I buy used and I buy on price. Any of the big tourers will work just fine for North American mile crunching. American V twins are the popular choice here on the Canadian Prairies and are pricey. GS' are popular and pricey used. Gold Wings seem better at holding value than the BMWs. Another advantage of a machine that is not made for going off road is that they never go off road. Big tourers are owned by old dudes many of whom are obsessive about maintenance and the bike lives its life on cruise control in top gear. Its safe to buy one with significant mileage that has been well maintained. I looked at R12 GTs but ended up with a K1600GT. Where I live there are more sellers than buyers so it's easy to find a very well maintained example for a good price.
I haven’t ridden a K1600 as yet, but keen to jump on one, here they are the goods.
@@BikerTorque I visited the BMW dealership today and saw that there are still new 2022 K1600s for sale at very discounted prices. We are just past the prime spring selling season. I figure that it's only a matter of time until BMW discontinues the model especially with the big touring editions of the R18 that have been introduced.
Mine is a 2013 model that I purchased recently with 80,000 km. It's been well looked after and I get the impression that it's built like a tank. It's very good at long days on the highway and there's no other reason to buy one. I recently spent ten hours in the saddle for a long ride from Vernon BC to Edmonton Alberta. I'm 5'11", 190 lbs and 64 years old. I'm intimidated by the weight of the machine. I've accepted that at some point the bike will have a low speed drop. I have the luxury of having a KTM SMCR for getting around town and for short blasts on the highway. Someone who is younger and stronger than I am might consider a K1600 as an only bike but it's still a poor choice for anything other than the highway.
Hello. Have you consider trying out the CFMOTO 650GT? Probably the ONLY middleweight GTourer on the market.
No, haven’t spoken to CF Moto yet, hearing good things about there bikes though.
If you live in Australia the RS could arguably be the best choice. In the UK you need weather protection which makes the RT a clear winner. The RT is also probably better for a pillion & luggage, and the slightly more upright riding position suits most older riders. The GS is just a pretend off-roader. Barring rally riders who is going to take one properly off road and risk dropping it? If you avoided bankruptcy from the cost of repairs, you'd still be in hospital getting your hernia repaired after trying to recover it.
I chose a 2019 RT because I wanted conventional dials and the separate satnav housing - couldn't be arsed with the current TFT screen, BMW app & phone link, etc.
I’ve ridden the RS, and to be honest, I did love it but would take an RT ever day if the week, certainly sporty enough.
Agree, regarding the GS, I can’t see to many people doing serious off roading on them. We do have a 1300GS at the moment, wow, just wow, what a bike, can’t wait to see the R1300 RT and if the rumours are true it will have a brand new dual / automatic transmission system, a first for BMW, surprised it’s taken them this long to develop one.
I chose a 2019 RT for exactly the same reason, old school dials never age ….. 👍
Beautiful guys. Nicee to see Helga got a cameo 👏 ❤
Had to get her in there somewhere, still can’t believe you sold it.
Good review......... Sadly, the reliability for the newer BMW's has not been very good. Even problems with the driveshafts!
Thanks for that. I know of an issue with the R18 driveshaft leak, nothing major though, no issue with my R18 so far which is pleasing.
So, I went to look at one, cause the new style called me a bit. I don't really care much anymore for BMW bikes, after 2 K1600 with all kind of crazy issues. By the time they gave me a proposal out the door price, I was able to get a new Goldwing DCT Tour out the door priced cheaper than the RT. So, I went with the Honda. Unbelievable bike.
That’s surprising that the Goldwing came in under the R1250RT. Out of interest, what issues did you have with the K1600? I haven’t ridden one but keep hearing mostly very positive things about the bike. Thanks for watching
@@BikerTorque The RT is friendlier in city riding. The wing is a tank, however I would say now, after owning one, no regrets for even city riding. The K's both ate a bit of oil which its know on them. Both of them, out of no where, always had some kind of electrical/sensor issues. If you don't own the maint. reset tool, you need to run to the dealer to clear them. The Grand America was a different story. Got it new, back in 18, once reached around 12k miles, all kind of electrical problems. It was not a Lemon bike, was told. Moreover, handlebar was always slightly pushing to the left. Was also speed limited heavily. The GA hated riding between 2 trucks, the dirty air issue would wobble the bike and that was crazy, than big recall on the gear issue, than if you use reverse mode, you better not shut her down in reverse. It could be bad news. On top of that, in hot days, this bike boils in stop and go traffic. Just was not impressed anymore. Just too much for one rider to take. I just wanted to ride and not worry if tomorrow the check engine light will be on. Not for me. With the wing, I just ride and ride and ride and never once, once to the dealer with even a tiny issue, zero, nothing.
Wow! She has wonderful eyes and a terrific smile.
And ....the bike was nice too. :)
lol, yes the bikes a cracker
I went from a GTL to the RT. Not sorry. I agree the navigation app is the worst thing about the bike. Much to difficult to adapt on the go.
Yes, the BMW App is ordinary. Thanks for watching
As far as Beemers go, I like the old stuff. But if I was going to go full grey nomad on bikes, I think this would be it.
Same sentiment with the Goldwing. However, the servicing is unnecessarily complicated (expensive). The BMW is easy to maintain in comparison. And plus, Honda is more boring to ride than a BMW. But it’s a close call. 😅
Stef, nothing boring about a boxer my friend. Perfect bike for a grey nomad biker though.
I have a 1250R.
The app is awful. I never use it. Love the bike.
Agree with you about the app. Thanks for watching
That app is so frustrating that I went back to a satnav on my GS.
Yep, totally. Have you heard the rumours about the automatic transmission BMW are developing which we will likely see in the 1300 cc version of this bike?
@@BikerTorque not yet. But not surprised. As Honda has one as an option on the Africa Twin.
once boxer always boxer
True
The RT is a great bike. Smooth with great wind protection, but I would never buy one. My legs are too long for the leg position. On long rides it’s not comfortable for me. The GS for me is the perfect bike. Same power train and a much better seating position for long rides. The added benefit of being able to ride unimproved roads on the GS makes it an ideal bike for me.
Out of interest how tall are you? Agree the GS is a very good all rounder. We have just had the R1300GS for a few weeks, great bike also.
@@BikerTorque I’m 6ft tall or about 183cm. Age has something to do with it too. When I was in my 20’s I could ride a sport bike all day long. Now that I’m 51 I find my knees and hips don’t like the extreme angles for very long.
@@martyllanos73 I’m hearing you, have just turned 50
I had a ‘23 for 2 seasons - yes it does what it is supposed to except for the app - navigation cannot be relied on - BUT - this is not a sporty or even engaging ride. I found it so boring that I would often choose my pick up truck over it. At the end of the last season I traded it for an S1000XR which, for me, is the far better touring machine - with a superior trade off between comfort and grin factor. Unless your whole thing is two-up mile munching I would not recommend.
That’s interesting, because I genuinely found it engaging when I really wanted to push it. Have recently ridden the XR which is wonderful and definitely more sporty
I’m probably the only defender of the BMW app in the bike world. I find it excellent, and adding waypoints is easy as hell. The only issue is turning off notifications and putting on do not disturb. If you do both, you won’t ever drop the connection. The navigation is perfect and simple.
To add waypoints: 1) search for destination (using the map icon from main screen) use postal code or name
2) select your destination
3) on left at the bottom click the waypoint icon (map with dotted line and waypoint sign (DOH!!!)
4) choose from drop down (set as start point or set as destination/waypoint)
5) once set choose route type, fast/winding/etc on central button at bottom
6) to add another waypoint click + icon (top right of dialogue box)
7) use postal code, name or icon ribbon bar with categorised POIs (petrol, food, etc)
8) click floppy disk icon to name and save route
9) when connected to bike, go to nav screen and saved rides
10) become a good biking journo by reading manuals and instructions so you can inform the audience better
Hey thanks for the info, shall try and get that working next time I get a BMW with a nav. Just got the record, I’m actually not a journo, the UA-cam channel is just a hobby. Thanks so much for the support.
@@BikerTorque I’m really sorry for being an arse. I’d just had a to do with someone. The review was great and I liked the format. I’ve subscribed.
It's difficult to read street names; no way to enlarge fonts.
Im a GS rider only because I ride offroad. If i didnt, or when i no longer want to, the RT is my next move
Makes sense to be on a GS if going off road. Are you talking dirt and gravel roads or full on outback adventure riding? Thanks for watching.
@BikerTorque believe it or not I ran an enduro race on it a few months back. Up till then, fire roads and some motocross tracks. I finished last but i didn't care. My goal was to try and I did. No doubt the gsa looked crazy out there next to dirt bikes and dual sports but man did i have a blast. Nothing like feeling that boxer power pulling you up hills over boulders or getting 600lbs airborne. Worst part was having to pick the heavy beast up every time I washed out. After 45 min i had nothing left in the tank...which is why i finished last lol
@@dnbanb and that’s what life’s all about, having a crack. You finished and that’s the main thing, although not sure I’d be keen to take a GS full on Enduro.
@BikerTorque no doubt was probably one of the hardest physical things ive ever done.
Enjoying your channel from the US btw. Keep up the great content
@@dnbanb cheers mate, we’ve just handed back the R1300GS, that video will be up soon, no way I ever go Enduro on it, graded dirt and gravel yes. Glad to hear you are enjoying the channel, we are really enjoying producing it.
I have the gsa i never ride offroad but i prefer it to rt cos rt is too cossiting
yes I suppose a bit of a price difference, RT is a wonderful bike to tour on though.
@@BikerTorque not much in the price mate the gsa is simular price when u fit the panniers i like the rt but the gsa makes the rt feel low down also the vast plastic front takes too much away from the wind in your hair experience its almost like a car
@@austinmatthews347 ok I see what you mean, yes with the screen up it does feel like you are riding in a bubble. Wind in my hair? Have you seen my head? LOL. Thanks for watching.
@@BikerTorque its kind of hard to put into words i first started to get interested in the 'jallopies' back around 2018 upto that point i regarded the boxer bijes as plane wiered. Well around 2018 i started getting curious. I viewed a r1100rt ex police but i found that to ugly 1150 looked a tad better with 6 gears also but i waited until early 2019 i found a 2005 1200rt wizzy brakes etc had it about a year crashed it in scitland was amazed by how well it crashed i had no injuries and stayed 'on' the bike on its side i sold it after fixing the minor damage went back to jap inline 4s but got the itch again in 2022 so low and behold i have got the gsa rallye the rt is basically a low faired gs but to me the rt seemed just too much for a 2 hour blat and as i say the mass of frontal area cossits me too much where the gsa although very wide is smaller around head fairing so is more open to the outdoors which i like lets face it the gsa is a do it all kind of suv of the bike world its good at most things
Why buy an RT? Because everybody already rides a GS and I hate those ugly bikes, that never leave the tarmac but instead give you a fake feeling of adventure. An RT is made for the (long)road, most comfortable bike i've ever had. I love my RT.
Although I do like the GS, totally agree the RT is a much better option for most riders, and probably the most comfortable purpose built tourer I’ve ever ridden
LMAO ! They'd be quite the adventure to pick up, if you drop it.
I was in Munich this summer and went to their factory showroom. I sat on their Alpine White R 1250R . I think it's beautiful and fit me perfect (5'5"). It was everything I would want in a touring bike, and NOT too damn big. Most touring bikes (with all the luggage) look like pregnant water buffalo. Not this one. Also most bikes have really fatazz saddles (seats) that are way too wide for my pelvis. This one is perfect and allows my 29" legs to touch the ground. If I didn't already have 10 bikes, and my wife to nag me about "an 11th", one would be sitting in my garage right now.
Thanks for sharing. I’d love to go the the factory in Munich one day, I hear the museum is pretty special. Agree with you on the saddle, and only 10 bikes, surely there’s room for one more
I found it to be top heavy
I didn’t but i suppose it depends on how much gear you are carrying
Value for money k1600gtse every time. 😁👍
Would love to ride one at some point
good friend
Thanks for the visit
I am selling my r1200GS because my r1100rt does just fine for my touring. I'd rather use my cash on a Harley cruiser for local riding with a lot of torque.
If it’s a torquey cruiser your after check out the R18
test kawasaki versys 1000
Would love to if Kawasaki in Australia would reply to our emails
Unfortunately, those "diabetes" detours can be very costly down the road.
thanks for the tip.
Nice video. I have a 2020 R 1250 RS and love it so much. That boxer with the shift-cam technology is a torque beast. I recently did a complete titanium Akrapovic exhaust and a BrenTune from BT Moto, which has transformed the bike. If you want to hear what the tune has done for me bike, check out the video: ua-cam.com/video/tnWim5JbeKU/v-deo.htmlsi=JIifJ0OGx_Km8Ws5 Can't wait to check out the 1300 boxer when it gets to the R 1250 R, RS and RT. I understand the quick shifter is more smooth on that 1300 boxer.
Can confirm the quick shifter is much smoother on the 1300GS….but it’s still a boxer quick shifter. Shall check out your video.
Because you want to take a 3000 mile trip and go fast and carry stuff. Plus you don’t feel any need to actually look at your motorcycle, just ride it.
And that’s pretty much what we said in the video
@@BikerTorque true, I apparently was summarizing! But one other thing about all modern BMWs, including the venerable RT, is that if you want/need to work on your own bike they are no longer the best choice. It’s been true a pretty long time now. Hard to recall when BMWs came with comprehensive owners manuals and a pretty reasonable tool set. Very hard actually, I am 71. But they did. Now BMW have made that very hard to do by many separate, but jointly effective, approaches to the engineering, execution and distribution of the products. It changes the whole notion of motorcycling. Other makers do it too, but not so extensively, I would say, as BMW. Anyway that could be another reason not to get one for your road burner. Getting stuck in a remote place with an error code, no tool, no manual, no dealer, etc etc, is a drag. The thing is, passing through all those remote places Between somewhere and somewhere else is the whole point of riding. For me at least.
Wait ...40k for a 1250? The K1600 is only 30k!!! Make it make sense!!!
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We want Android Auto or Carplay. Simple.
Yes agree, Apple car play would be ideal
Some lard*rse rides one of these to the parking bay I commute to. It takes up the space of two bikes, it's the size of a Gold Wing. Just ride a GS/RS and don't be selfish lol
Lol, gold.
The real question is why would you buy a BMW when you have a choice of Japanese motorcycles?
I suppose it’s because you have a choice
See high im self better Bmw 1250 RT 😅
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We Canadians will NEVER use this navigation as it is very expensive to have data in the USA. What was wrong with the previous Garmin GPS? I have NO idea! Thus I will NEVER buy this bike with this stupid navigation/screen.
Really, I didn’t think mobile data was all that much these days. I certainly never go anywhere near my limit here in Australia
You can download the maps so don't need to use data
@@kenny4k great point. In fact, I think you have to download the maps beforehand, forgot about that.
I would never buy a bike this great!😂
Don't have to have data; maps are downloaded to ph.
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is there anything better than this bike for short riders for touring that has dynamic cruise control?
Not to my knowledge.