Thank you, Brian. The tackle industry has really expanded the definition of "Ned rig" in my opinion, but I think of it as the rig Ned Kehde himself talked about in his video on the subject: A light (under 1/8 oz was what I think he said) jighead and a small 3-inch-ish or less plain plastic. Anything else might catch fish, but it's not a Ned rig in my opinion - no matter what is written on the bag. In broad terms, I think that a shakey head is designed to be fished weedless, a Ned is not. Thanks again!
Hey Brian. I just started fishing with my son,when he was much younger I would take him and I would read while he fished. Now that we are both older(me 65) I really am excited to spend more time looking for the staright line!!!. I really appreciate your time you spend on the videos. We are located along the Susquehanns River in Pa. One of the greatest fisheries for the mighty smallmouth. I bought a kayak and am excited to get out there . Again thanks for sharing yoiur knowledge
Thank you sir. Best video I’ve seen explaining the Ned rig. Never been fan of the Ned but fishing had been tough. Used it today and I finally got the skunk off 😂
@@BrianLatimerFishing Picking up on your reply to LSHD, Something I struggle with is swim jig trailers. I don't see how they can simultaneously look like a craw AND a minnow. To me it should mimic either/or, not both at the same time. The fishing industry is confusingly making paddletail swimbaits with craw imitating colours and craws with minnow colours. It would be a whole lot simpler to keep them separate.
I’ve been using Zoom Trick Worms on a shakey head. The way they slither down when you twitch them is the biggest difference I see from it and a traditional Ned rig.
I jumped on your SMH jig head and worms early and had to search all over because they sold out so fast, and I am so glad I did…they’re perfect to me because the head design and the bait keeper, and of course for ZMAN elaztech. ❤
I hope I can catch one of these straight up fishing schools! Trying to move to Florida this year and then I won't miss it man! I wanna freaking meet you!
Thanks for the tip! I think I can get a pack of finesse worms and turn one of those into three or four micro trds which have been my recent obsession lately. 😊 Stoked to try the shaky Head as well
Been rigging a torn in half Senko with a rig I’ve been calling the San Marcos rig. Some call it a modified Ned but it’s weightless with an EWG so it doesn’t stand straight up. It falls like wacky but then I can fish it more like a swim bait. Been highly effective on the river I fish.. usually catch 15+ fish every time I go out.
Interesting. There's a bait out there that's gaining traction, I think it's called a 'scat' bait, but it basically looks like a short turd with no action; it catches fish. Just reminded me of this/sounds similar. Going to try this Senko cut in half method next time I go out
I know this is a older post, but I just started using the ned rigs and I don't know if I'll ever use anymore of my shakeyheads. These zman ned rigs are the deal 🙏🕊😎🎣👍
BLat you are the pro so I will aqueous to your statement of a ned rig is 3" and under. However I use 4" Zman punch craws or 3"Chigger Craws from Berkley on either a 1/8 or a 3/16 Ned head and do quite well. I still call that ned rig fishing but it is what it is right. Thanks for the Video as always
When i was a kid we called it an “egg sac rig” where you tear off the head end down to the egg sack portion of a plastic worm and usually rig that up weightless on a hook or sometimes use the jig head from a beetle spin. Now it’s a “ned rig”.
Hello B. Lat. Thanks for the information clear, concise, useful information. You have a relaxing fun style when presenting. Will you be scheduling more stright up fishing days. I would really like to attend. Thanks
I’m moving to sc from ca in July 23 hopefully I can’t catch a class I’m brand new to this but I’ve been enjoying it caught my first fish on the Sacramento River
Haven't watched the vid yet but I bought a stash of your shake head set ups. I love them but I still feel I catch more with regular trick worm. Probably a life long confidence thing but I'll say for sure your system slays and the worms are indestructible.
I like trying several shakyhead brands and experimenting. I am currently trying this coming season the skip gap. Huge hook on the 2 sizes I use. Typically a 6 to 10 in worm of any type work well! Have you tried the skip gap shakyheads??? I have confidence in the VMC Dominator shakyhead!
If you put trd on shaky head… will it turn it into a ned rig? 🙂 …the only difference i see is floating softbait vs longer and non-floating worm… I personally use whatever heads I have with z-mans plastics and it makes no difference in presentation… in fact, I recently switched to using a standard hooks with “cheburashka” weights to carry less tackle 😉
I ordered some some of your signature shaky heads and some SMH worms. I’m starting to like the zman products more. Hold up more and I like my shaky head worms to float. The 6th sense divine shaky head worm is a good one too but they don’t hold up well after a few bites. Do you fish flipping or casting jigs any? If so what are your choices on them? Thanks
Try a bobber stop, a bullet weight and an offset hook (size 1) with a TRD. Makes it weedless and will come through the hang ups easily. Now, it wont stand up at straight as a Ned rigged TRD does. For that, get Z Mans Nedlocks EWG hook.
Not going to lie. I use some regular old cheap leadheads for shakeyheads. I prefer a 90 degree bend over a 60 at the line tie. Not a fan of the z-man material. They are indestructible except never stay separated in the package and weld together easily. A trd glob isn’t nearly as effective. Lol I do like the Ned heads and the different size hooks available though. I use them with everything from senkos to LC helgies and even use ones with a weed guard with hula grubs for smallmouth.
Rough time in michigan's water for me, real cold and I'm going for all bass and pike haven't gotten anything but 2 walleye.... since October jezzz that's ridiculous
Try a ZMan 1/10 ounce head. Some guys swear by the 1/16 ounce but, you'll need dead calm wind and a very light line for that one. I find 1/10 ounce to be universal for the Ned/TRD.
The elephant in the room is the swim jig. A shakey head is a like Ned rig, that wants to become a swig jig. With micro swim jigs and things skrinking in scale from the other end (the three quarter ounce C-rig, became three quarter ounce jig, the jig became a smaller jig, then it became a swim jig, and now it's a micro jig), it becomes harder to know what is what. There is 'the ball and chain' on one extreme, and the Ned rig on the other. And plenty in between both of those. The grandfather of everything was probably a few rusty nuts and bolts tied to a line. With a hook and bait coming off of it. Before people got to have custom-made, sleek, well-designed Carolina rigs (rather than engine parts).
@@seizedcarcass8440 What I always appreciated about the saltwater focused tackle companies (or ones that make things, that work in either environment like the Zman stuff). It's tough and durable, which carries slightly more of a premium in harsh saltwater conditions. For that kind of customer. Saltwater anglers like pre-rigged, pre-made soft plastic baits too. So when you are out there, you are already rigged in terms of plastics, glue, hooks, baits, everything. Again, in freshwater the customer behaves a bit different. Their 'stuff' doesn't rust and degrade at the same rapid rates. People in freshwater like myself, can get more years out of baits and tackle. One doesn't have to protect stuff as much in freshwater. If you 'dry out' you're tackle box compartments regularly. You'll get away with a lot. In saltwater, the anglers like to carry a smaller 'inventory' of new stuff. And they will leave their stuff in factory sealed bubble packs etc. Until it's ready to tie on the line. For all of these reason. Pre-rigged soft plastics makes no sense to freshwater anglers, but it often does to saltwater.
@@academicmailbox7798 this wouldn’t help salt but you can put silica packets in tackle boxes to help the moisture issues. Zman does make really high quality stuff though.
A couple of those swim jig 'Ned rig' (don't try to say that three times and fast), alternatives. I could imagine for the casual angler. Who only wants to throw out a line for a couple of hours from a saltwater dock. And catch some fish. On lightweight tackle. There's so little to worry about there (if one is not super focused full-time on fishing). It's a great option. I didn't know that existed even. A pre-made Neg rig, swim jig lure. For one type of customer it seems silly. For other anglers it could be a great way to learn about finesse type fishing. By being able just to get a sample type of item. From the retail supply chain.
@@academicmailbox7798 Zman should make a sample pack if Ned baits but for a smaller price. They have the $20 kit but I think the price is unappealing to most anglers.
I actually didn't either and feel kind of dumb. I really like the TicklerZ but the river I fish just likes to eat everything. Definitely gonna be trying to rig it weedless like that.
I am in Florida, but I do fish some ponds with fairly clean bottoms. The Ned can be very good there, but I do occasionally lose one. If it's snaggy, I switch to a shakey head.
Try a bobber stop, a bullet weight and a size 1 offset round bend hook to make the TRD weedless. ZMan also makes a weedless EWG head called a Nedlocks.
Thank you, Brian. The tackle industry has really expanded the definition of "Ned rig" in my opinion, but I think of it as the rig Ned Kehde himself talked about in his video on the subject: A light (under 1/8 oz was what I think he said) jighead and a small 3-inch-ish or less plain plastic. Anything else might catch fish, but it's not a Ned rig in my opinion - no matter what is written on the bag. In broad terms, I think that a shakey head is designed to be fished weedless, a Ned is not. Thanks again!
Hey Brian.
I just started fishing with my son,when he was much younger I would take him and I would read while he fished.
Now that we are both older(me 65) I really am excited to spend more time looking for the staright line!!!.
I really appreciate your time you spend on the videos. We are located along the Susquehanns River in Pa.
One of the greatest fisheries for the mighty smallmouth.
I bought a kayak and am excited to get out there .
Again thanks for sharing yoiur knowledge
Just found my new favorite channel. You’re hilarious and informative. Thanks!
Thank you sir. Best video I’ve seen explaining the Ned rig. Never been fan of the Ned but fishing had been tough. Used it today and I finally got the skunk off 😂
You are the best at breaking things down and making clean delineations that can be freeing for me.
Thanks man! I’m working on more of these. What’s something that you struggle with?
@@BrianLatimerFishing Picking up on your reply to LSHD, Something I struggle with is swim jig trailers. I don't see how they can simultaneously look like a craw AND a minnow. To me it should mimic either/or, not both at the same time. The fishing industry is confusingly making paddletail swimbaits with craw imitating colours and craws with minnow colours. It would be a whole lot simpler to keep them separate.
I’ve been using Zoom Trick Worms on a shakey head. The way they slither down when you twitch them is the biggest difference I see from it and a traditional Ned rig.
Learn so much from youre videos. Thanks!
#8:46 "They dont really do much.".... Damn it Brian! 🤣
Really enjoy your videos and time you put in. I'm waiting on your blat favorite casting rod. Coming this week
I jumped on your SMH jig head and worms early and had to search all over because they sold out so fast, and I am so glad I did…they’re perfect to me because the head design and the bait keeper, and of course for ZMAN elaztech. ❤
awesome video it really helped me to understand the ned rig better please make more tutorials like this
Search Ned Kehde's video on the rig that bears his name. It's a very interesting trip down Memory Lane.
I haven’t thrown a ned before. I have thrown a shaky head. I’m going give it a try soon.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the video. Are you sold out of the shaky heads? I can't seem to find them.
Cool video. Zman finesse worms 7” are great for Shakey head. After watching your Shakey head video and using those worms I caught 3 good sized bass.
I hope I can catch one of these straight up fishing schools! Trying to move to Florida this year and then I won't miss it man! I wanna freaking meet you!
Thanks for the tip! I think I can get a pack of finesse worms and turn one of those into three or four micro trds which have been my recent obsession lately. 😊 Stoked to try the shaky Head as well
Been rigging a torn in half Senko with a rig I’ve been calling the San Marcos rig. Some call it a modified Ned but it’s weightless with an EWG so it doesn’t stand straight up. It falls like wacky but then I can fish it more like a swim bait. Been highly effective on the river I fish.. usually catch 15+ fish every time I go out.
Interesting. There's a bait out there that's gaining traction, I think it's called a 'scat' bait, but it basically looks like a short turd with no action; it catches fish. Just reminded me of this/sounds similar. Going to try this Senko cut in half method next time I go out
Great info BLat! Love it
I know this is a older post, but I just started using the ned rigs and I don't know if I'll ever use anymore of my shakeyheads. These zman ned rigs are the deal 🙏🕊😎🎣👍
Thank you! Was just thinking about this yesterday watching your shakey head videos
BLat you are the pro so I will aqueous to your statement of a ned rig is 3" and under. However I use 4" Zman punch craws or 3"Chigger Craws from Berkley on either a 1/8 or a 3/16 Ned head and do quite well. I still call that ned rig fishing but it is what it is right.
Thanks for the Video as always
As always, great video sir 👊🏼😁
Thanks for the great tips. I new they where different but did not pay attention to the angle
When i was a kid we called it an “egg sac rig” where you tear off the head end down to the egg sack portion of a plastic worm and usually rig that up weightless on a hook or sometimes use the jig head from a beetle spin. Now it’s a “ned rig”.
Hey Brian, I'm definitely a fan. Do you ever fish up here in Minnesota?
BLat ain’t the bus driver, but he could take my ax to school any day. Thanks for the video and God Bless.
B Lat, what can I do to straighten out the worms if they get stored wrong and make them not straight?
Boil and straighten them
Hello B. Lat.
Thanks for the information clear, concise, useful information. You have a relaxing fun style when presenting. Will you be scheduling more stright up fishing days. I would really like to attend. Thanks
B-Lat, as always enjoyed the video..good info
Great video - just goes to show that matching size/action to bite is more important than a name of a rig system … 😜
I’m moving to sc from ca
in July 23 hopefully I can’t catch a class I’m brand new to this but I’ve been enjoying it caught my first fish on the Sacramento River
Video starts at 3:50
Hey B.lat when’s the next straight up fishing coming to Florida.
Anderson sc Jan 14th! Register at shopblat.com
That's awesome b Canada loves what you're doing
Haven't watched the vid yet but I bought a stash of your shake head set ups. I love them but I still feel I catch more with regular trick worm. Probably a life long confidence thing but I'll say for sure your system slays and the worms are indestructible.
Great stuff Brian…thank you!! Hey you said you had four Ned baits I only saw three, what the fourth?? The TRD crawz??!!
Whats the best size bait to use for both of these setups? Typically ill use 4-6 in bait
I commented before i watched the whole video 😅
I like trying several shakyhead brands and experimenting. I am currently trying this coming season the skip gap. Huge hook on the 2 sizes I use. Typically a 6 to 10 in worm of any type work well! Have you tried the skip gap shakyheads??? I have confidence in the VMC Dominator shakyhead!
Tried a dozen different ones and always go back to just a standard cheapo ball lead head. Lol.
That's the same day as the Okeechobee tournament for the Gator Division. Do you have any alternate dates?
If you put trd on shaky head… will it turn it into a ned rig? 🙂 …the only difference i see is floating softbait vs longer and non-floating worm… I personally use whatever heads I have with z-mans plastics and it makes no difference in presentation… in fact, I recently switched to using a standard hooks with “cheburashka” weights to carry less tackle 😉
Christian greico!!! Let’s go!!! Both my favorite anglers
Ned rig is the head to hook size balance and 3" floating baits for the vertical presentation.
"This is my signature series shakey head, and I don't know what angle it is, but it's not 90 degrees." That's a good quote.
I ordered some some of your signature shaky heads and some SMH worms. I’m starting to like the zman products more. Hold up more and I like my shaky head worms to float. The 6th sense divine shaky head worm is a good one too but they don’t hold up well after a few bites. Do you fish flipping or casting jigs any? If so what are your choices on them? Thanks
What’s your what’s your go to Weight on both lures ? I’m going to throw it at Lanier Friday
Start with 1/8 ounce. If it’s windy 3/16 oz. If super windy or current or over 30ft deep, 1/4 oz.
You need them all. It’s all about context here
I was going to come this year if you had it but I have a ABA tournament on Harris
Always very interesting!
I throw a ned rig and get hung up everywhere, just like you said. Looks like I'll have to give a shaky head a try. Thanks for the video!
Try a bobber stop, a bullet weight and an offset hook (size 1) with a TRD. Makes it weedless and will come through the hang ups easily. Now, it wont stand up at straight as a Ned rigged TRD does. For that, get Z Mans Nedlocks EWG hook.
@@robertbrost7777 I think I understand. Almost like a Texas rig? Thanks for the info!
Hey man how long do the excitebite sweaters take to deliver?
Brad, in what situations do you prefer the Ned rig over the Shaky rig?
More finesse situations where the bass are eating more crawfish
Open water too as ned rig has higher hook up ratio because the hook is exposed versus the shaky head where it’s normally Texas rigged
Appreciate the information
Not going to lie. I use some regular old cheap leadheads for shakeyheads. I prefer a 90 degree bend over a 60 at the line tie. Not a fan of the z-man material. They are indestructible except never stay separated in the package and weld together easily. A trd glob isn’t nearly as effective. Lol I do like the Ned heads and the different size hooks available though. I use them with everything from senkos to LC helgies and even use ones with a weed guard with hula grubs for smallmouth.
Welding. That's what I'm gonna call it now. Thanks!
Rough time in michigan's water for me, real cold and I'm going for all bass and pike haven't gotten anything but 2 walleye.... since October jezzz that's ridiculous
Same here in ohio. I killed it in October but since then it's been tough. Fished 5 hours today and only got 1 bass on a jig.
Brian, What weight Shaky and Ned is your go to? Or do you mix em up? I’m new to throwing them so wondering what size to start with?
You need them all!
Try a ZMan 1/10 ounce head. Some guys swear by the 1/16 ounce but, you'll need dead calm wind and a very light line for that one. I find 1/10 ounce to be universal for the Ned/TRD.
Are you still teaching ? I'm interested I'll travel for a class. I'm in Virginia .
You can join my online class from anywhere! Sufschool.com
dude. we should have been fishing in the BASS Teams today! 🙂 I think we could conquer Hartwell! 🙂🙂 lol
The elephant in the room is the swim jig. A shakey head is a like Ned rig, that wants to become a swig jig. With micro swim jigs and things skrinking in scale from the other end (the three quarter ounce C-rig, became three quarter ounce jig, the jig became a smaller jig, then it became a swim jig, and now it's a micro jig), it becomes harder to know what is what. There is 'the ball and chain' on one extreme, and the Ned rig on the other. And plenty in between both of those. The grandfather of everything was probably a few rusty nuts and bolts tied to a line. With a hook and bait coming off of it. Before people got to have custom-made, sleek, well-designed Carolina rigs (rather than engine parts).
Zman has a new finesse swim jig that has a lighter wire hook. Honestly it’s the Ned rig alternative to a swim jig. I highly recommend them.
@@seizedcarcass8440 What I always appreciated about the saltwater focused tackle companies (or ones that make things, that work in either environment like the Zman stuff). It's tough and durable, which carries slightly more of a premium in harsh saltwater conditions. For that kind of customer. Saltwater anglers like pre-rigged, pre-made soft plastic baits too. So when you are out there, you are already rigged in terms of plastics, glue, hooks, baits, everything. Again, in freshwater the customer behaves a bit different. Their 'stuff' doesn't rust and degrade at the same rapid rates. People in freshwater like myself, can get more years out of baits and tackle. One doesn't have to protect stuff as much in freshwater. If you 'dry out' you're tackle box compartments regularly. You'll get away with a lot. In saltwater, the anglers like to carry a smaller 'inventory' of new stuff. And they will leave their stuff in factory sealed bubble packs etc. Until it's ready to tie on the line. For all of these reason. Pre-rigged soft plastics makes no sense to freshwater anglers, but it often does to saltwater.
@@academicmailbox7798 this wouldn’t help salt but you can put silica packets in tackle boxes to help the moisture issues. Zman does make really high quality stuff though.
A couple of those swim jig 'Ned rig' (don't try to say that three times and fast), alternatives. I could imagine for the casual angler. Who only wants to throw out a line for a couple of hours from a saltwater dock. And catch some fish. On lightweight tackle. There's so little to worry about there (if one is not super focused full-time on fishing). It's a great option. I didn't know that existed even. A pre-made Neg rig, swim jig lure. For one type of customer it seems silly. For other anglers it could be a great way to learn about finesse type fishing. By being able just to get a sample type of item. From the retail supply chain.
@@academicmailbox7798 Zman should make a sample pack if Ned baits but for a smaller price. They have the $20 kit but I think the price is unappealing to most anglers.
Good vid bro 👌
Great video.
Just got your SMH worms and heads, this video is right on time. Now all I need is some free time 🎣
I didn’t know you could “Texas rig” the TRD like that. Great idea. Thanks!
I actually didn't either and feel kind of dumb.
I really like the TicklerZ but the river I fish just likes to eat everything. Definitely gonna be trying to rig it weedless like that.
ZMan makes a Nedlocks EWG hook for a Texas rig with the TRD.
@@robertbrost7777 don’t like that one. Terrible hook up ratio
@@robertbrost7777 Good to know, though since I wade fish mostly I actually prefer the idea of using one hook for multiple purposes.
Always valuable...
Solid…. Advise❤
To me the Ned Rig is a bait that I fish any time i can get away fishing it. Its a top 3 bait.
Ned head with a big TRD kills em , what would you call that ?
You are the truth 💪🏿
Ikr. I still can’t find a lot of the new Zman baits. The long shot is like finding hens teeth.
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"Ned sack" love it
I've snagged and lost every ned rig I have ever thrown 🤣
You aren't alone. It's ridiculous.
2 things to remember. Don’t throw it around snags
Around rocks rig it weedless.
I am in Florida, but I do fish some ponds with fairly clean bottoms. The Ned can be very good there, but I do occasionally lose one. If it's snaggy, I switch to a shakey head.
Try a bobber stop, a bullet weight and a size 1 offset round bend hook to make the TRD weedless. ZMan also makes a weedless EWG head called a Nedlocks.
I like fishing my big TRD on a ned rig like a shakey head
Me too but, I use the Power Finesse (3/0 hook) or Pro Shroomz (2/0 hook) hook because the bait is longer.
U have much luck with the Ned rig, I thought about trying it
Caught my pb this year on a shakey head worm
Looks like 120°
Great video but if you are catching bass what difference does it make what you call it. Lol
Man I wish you had a class near me in Alabama.
This is the close to you class!
@@BrianLatimerFishing maybe if you do it again I can make it in the future.
That shroom head rigged like a shakey head looks terrible lol. They need to make a good weedless one
There plenty of weedless heads. What do you mean?
They do, a Nedlocks. It's a weedless EWG Ned head.
SMH worm on a shakey head or Tokyo Rig is undefeated
Lol how does know one kno the difference that is dum
Dumb*
Shakey Heads are for Largemouth, Ned Rigs are for Smallmouth. Thank you for reading. Roll credits, go to commercial.
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The first 90% of this video was pretty much useless. The last minute contained all of the useful information of the video.
What makes the last minute of the video useful to you?
Dude your sound is horrible. Your clipping your mic or something! I can’t listen because it is making my dog go nuts!