(195)The Longbow Class
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- In today's episode of Truth OR Myth Beta, we're taking a look at the Longbow Class, a starship design intended to replace the failed Federation Class Refit... I hope you enjoy!
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I like seeing these videos showing both the ups and downs of starship development
Thank you so much, I try to balance it all out for the audience :)
At least they were thinking outside the box it doesn't always work but at least they tried 😁😁😁
Exactly :P
I like it, always a sucker for the Miranda rollbar, if this ship was successful it would have been a huge tactical advantage for the Federation due to being so heavily armed with different weapon choices
Completely agree :)
True, it also looks very easy to attach it anywhere, to any design.
In time of crysis if would have been a good and easy boost to firepower.
a simple answer is to add a second warp core thus doubling the power
Unfortunately James, that is not an easy or simple fix... Warp Cores generate HUGE amounts of energy, thus why only 1 is generally used in a starship... When you begin adding more, there is simply no where for the excess power to go... It would be like taking your cell phone, which is designed for 1 battery, adding a second one to run simultaneously and at best what you would do is completely fry your phone... Im terms of starships, you'd quickly cause a core breach!
Another unusual Beta canon ship. 😊 Great design.
I think so too! :)
I really miss this Probert/Jefferies style of design. I mean the designs we've been getting have been cool, but this will always be peak Starfleet design to me
I dig it. I love ugly duckling kitbashes, and this definitely hits the mark. Great job on the beta cannon!
Thank you!
This class should have been called the Long Shot Class, because that's what they took. Great video and story. Nerd Approved!
Thank you very much!
Always nice to see the ships that slowly lead to the successful classes
;) Maybe you see where Im going with these failed designs ;) Maybe ;)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics was thinking they lead to the great experiment the Miranda or other tmp era ship that sloped my mind like the stargazer… rather be surprised lol
Well no, the Miranda Class already exists by this point and the Constellation Classes arrival on the scene, has nothing to do with these experiments :)
It looks as though Starfleet R&D is gradually working toward the Excelsior-class, but still messing around with kitbashed Connie parts. I'd really like to hear your take on how they broke out of the rut and designed the Excelsior, taking this backstory into account. 🖖😎👍
Look at you! The only person to see where I was going ;) Great job!
I love the giant phaser cannons on the pylons!
Thank you :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics I thought they were labeled as sensors on other ships, not weapons.
Nope, you are incorrect, in this design these are Phaser Lances!
Lexington Command Cruiser.
NODDERS.
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FASA Klingon Designs.
NODDERS.
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All videos wished for by this Trinary.
LOL Noted!
I love these TMP era videos!!! Please do the Okinawa class from the Starfleet Command series!!!
I would love to, the problem is getting a 3d Model of good enough quality to do it!
looks like a good mix of the constitution & miranda classes
Thanks :)
Love seeing these videos. Lookin' forward to the future with the Excelsior rising from the ashes of the kitbashed Connies
Glad you like them! And thank you :)
WOW great Episode like the Longbow Class
Thanks Dom, glad you enjoyed it :)
Absolutely enjoy the model and beta cannon for this ship. Have you considered doing a beta cannon for the Yamato dreadnaught? It was in Klingon Academy. A massive twin haul, quad nacelle, upsized Excelsior.
I would LOVE to make a video on it, however, finding a model of it, is a huge problem!
I wasted so much time playing that game. The story was a great prequel to Star Trek 6 and the combat was fun even if a little complex with nested commands.
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Are any of the models from Starfleet Command Orien Pirates usable? Might not be detailed enough but it maybe be something to get you started. Perhaps Cmdr. Cockings has one.
The issue might be more the old 1999 models for software rendering not being up to modern code also the in game models were quite small.
No, not really werksmith... The problem is that older models like that, dont have the quality aspects to be usable, like rounded edges. So no matter how i remake the textures, they will always look odd and not fit the standards of the channel!
You know, it will either make you recoil in engineering horror, or the tactical officer will faint from sheer love at the site of that class. I'm... the more I see it, the more I kind of like it? Maybe if they canted the ends of the nacelle pylons up 25* degrees like the F4 Phantom II's wing tips, it might not look so, Blocky? I wish it worked for sure in this canon tho.
Awesome design and a great video, thanks!
Thank you! Cheers! :)
Love the narrative and the 3D ship renderings. While the epitome of a kitbash I don’t love or hate it. I would love to see it drop the extra phasers and be a torpedo boat. 4 forward facing tubes would put a hurting on an enemy ship.
War Monger :P
Neat stuff! I like this design:)
(I think calling it "The USS BOOM-STICK" would have been appropriate too;)
LOL
I really like the design of this one
Niiice!
Tri, has Paramount called you yet? You seriously outclass them by a mile with your imagination alone.
Thank you, and dont I wish :P
Any movie era ship is my favorite.
I love the TMP Era :)
Can you imagine what we all would have done if we had Star TRek online in the 80's and 90's when we played FASA???@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics
I often do ;)
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, I just want to know what was truly going through thier minds to come up with this design and thinking out side of the box isn't always a good thing in any way shape or form whatsoever!.
Basically, protection for the Federation from Klingon Aggression and testing out the absolute limits of their new technologies!
Yes and I like that design
Beautiful starship.....
Thank you :)
You're welcome
Seems vaguely familiar. Did it come in one of those big white envelopes of starship blueprints someone on my 'crew' got at a con in the 80s? Those guys seemed to love sticking 'megaphasers' on things. :) I think they had one called the Alaska class that we kinda liked. (Our long-running RPG world featured a number of other ships and starbases we'd interact with recurringly, different personalities of captains, fleet politics, starbase administrators here and there. Sometimes there was an Alaska class USS Vincennes bein the big kid on the block. It was kinda TOS movie/Enterprise refit era. That Alaska class looked maybe like an Enterprise-refit style Excelsior forerunner. Kinda long, similar proportions. I don't quite see it on a quick Google search. )
Love the modeling! I like the concept of the longbow. An updated sleeker version would look at home next to the enterprise E or F
That would be cool!
This looks like it would have been the precursor to the Ulysses dreadnaught (seen in the Starfleet Command and Klingon Academy video games). It might even be the explanation why the Ulysses had its dual interconnecting necks: the ship was housing two vertical (well, angled) warp cores to combat the power issues the Longbow experienced.
Star Trek Online should include this design.
Awwww Thank you :)
This is an example of one of those ugly FASA kit bash ships. FASA had some cool designs, but they also had some seriously fugly ones. The TNG officer's manual that came out in 88 had some atrocious concepts for classes we would see in later episodes. The Ambassador Class is a good example. You should consider doing a top ten worst starship beta canon designs.
LOL FASA definitely has some very "unique" designs :P As for a video like that, Ill give it some thought :) Thank you :)
I always kinda wondered what the rest of Starfleet looked like during the Vger incident, I could see the Longbow being there, personal aesthetic nitpick: that roll bar throws the balance off for me but that’s just my tastes
LOL well, you cant please everyone :P
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics true enough, and it’s not like I’m the guy designing them 😂
I love your takes on starships, but I was wondering if you had any takes on planets that have been visited. In particular I've always wondered what happened to Kronos after it was evacuated due to the events of Star Trek 6. Did the Klingons ever return to the planet? Was the ecological damage repaired?
Thank you for another amazing video! I was wondering if you would maybe look into making a video of the Akula class starship from TMP? I love this ship. I even kit bashed a model. It's a well featured ship in beta cannon and it would be great to see you create content for it.
I would love to make a video on the Akula Class, the problem is finding a 3D model of it!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics There used to be a model from the star trek legacy - the the ulitimate universe mod back in the day. I bet it'd still available to grab. Bridge commander had one too.
Well if you can find a model, then Id do it for sure! I havent been able to though, and Bridge Commander models are too low poly to work in Space Engine! So they're out :(
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics I'll see what I can find and DM you :)
Absolutely! Good Luck! :)
More please
Noted!
fàilure is always an option if u learn something from it😊
@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Question- In FASA lore didn't the megaPhaser later become the standard for type XII phasers later in the century or into the 24th century? Somehow I remember them being called heavy phasers. It's been a long time ago for me.
Hi! i love your videos, how about the Proxima class seen in the videogame Star Trek Legacy? that leviathan has dual warp cores!
I would love to make a video on it! Problem is finding a 3D model of it, of sufficient quality TO make the video!
In the vein as this one, I'd kind of like to see a follow up TMP era Atlas class refit story.
There really isnt one though! The design was a failure, never to be seen again!
Nuuu, not my favorite STO ship. I'm thinking some fever dream of hey, we have these 12 pretty large space frames just sitting around, and fresh tech to try to make right what once didn't work as intended.@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics
That IS quite a Fever Dream! :P
Looks like the Ulysses from Klingon Academy.
I dont see that at all... It is a very different design...
3 phaser lances and a rollbar with phaser canons on the saucer on top of the allready mounted weapons... sheesh! What was that with no ships built for war?
Nowhere has it ever been said that Starfleet doesnt build warships, it just doesnt do it generally... As the video explains, Starfleet was creating these classes to hopefully avoid a war with the Klingons that they felt was coming!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Yeah, now that you mention it, i believe you compared it to having nuklear weapons to scare of potential attackers
take off the phaser lances, keep the roll bar and the extra torpedo launcher. maybe add a few more standard phasers along the bottom of the secondary haul. it could be a fun ship. it looks cool
So is this when the Proxima class is finally introduced, be finally successful only to be immediately rendered obsolete by the Excelsior class?
Wow very Balsey to kit bash 2 different movie vehicle genres.you've got a Connie class with side mounted nacelles a Miranda roll bar and 3 xwing laser guns.
Sorry, you're incorrect, there is only the Kitbashing of an 80s Beta Canon design from ONE movie vehicle genre! All parts are from Trek models!
Omg im first!!! Also just begun the video, can you do a video on the attack on “vijer” as i am unaware what it is; and it sounds like an interesting piece of star trek stardust :)
Actually, and sadly, you're second! But I absolutely appreciate the support :) What do you mean exactly by doing a video on the attack by V'ger?
Awww i tried! Anyway, i mean as in a battle break down; for example, if you remember your wolf 359 videos; something like that. Additionally, please bring back or do another series of those chronicles they were so fascinating. 😭@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics
So you're referring to the Klingon Fleet attack? That may not be possible as a) theres not a lot of info on it, besides the 1 sentence or two that Roddenberry wrote in his novelization of Star Trek: The Motion Picture and b) I need to have models of all the Klingon Ships to do it!
Ahhh okay, sorry, thank you very much for your time. :D
And have a good day. :D@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics
Oh No! It's a great Idea, I just dont know if it's possible! Ill have to do some research to find out :)
I like to think that some of these failures were orchestrated by section 31. That way the public would see these powerhouse ships "fail" but would allow Section 31 utilize the builds or tech for their own ships/means
That wouldnt be necessary though, as canon has already told us that Section 31 was at least a century ahead, technological-wise, then Starfleet!
According to the older tech manuals I own (which pretate TNG and are probably older than the channel host), the items on the engine pylons and facing aft above the shuttle bay are long range sensors, fir listening in on enemy forces. The Miranda rollbar has the Megaphasers. These were only ever called pulse phasers in the DS9 tech manual, but since they were never used there, how would they know? In fact, the only time we EVER saw them fired was Wrath of Khan, and he had the power turned way down, so he could actually gloat over Kirk... and after Reliant's warp core was knocked out, they never fired at full power.
Sorry, you are incorrect on all accounts A) Im older than you (and most manuals) are unless you've been a Trek fan for 50 years or more as I have... Besides, age really has nothing to do with anything, which brings up my next point...B) Nothing you've said is really true! Your assumptions about the Wrath of Khan are not backed up in Canon or Beta Canon, which actually says the opposite of what you wish was true. In future, before commenting, do better research and not confine yourself to assumptions and 1 source! Take care
Should have thickened the "neck' to accommodate another vertical warp core (or two!) to exclusively power the phaser banks, phaser cannons and phaser lances.
You cant just add a second warp core. It would be like adding a second battery to your cell phone, it would simply burn it out, as there is no way to utilize the excess energy on a constant basis.
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Can a warp core be run at half power? If it could, you could have two running at 50% to power the ship under normal circumstances, then in a combat scenario crank one up to 100% to run the ship's basic systems, and the other could go at 100% devoted to just weapons and shields. Of course I failed warp theory in school so I could be wrong! Lol
No, you are incorrect. It's not like a battery that way! Due to matter/ antimatters ratio being 1 to 1, while active it is generating the same amount of power, which is distributed as plasma to the various systems of the ship. Put simply, there isnt a way to add a second warp core as it would generate far too much power without a way to bleed it off, especially in normal operations!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Fair enough. But the engineer in me refuses to aknowledge that it is impossible. Unbelievably difficult? Yes. Beyond our current understanding? Yes. But impossible? No. Love your videos and dedication to the channel. Keep up the awesome work.
The engineer in you almost also appreciate and bow to logic. Sometimes, things are so unbelievably Difficult that the margin for success makes any work on such ideas a waste of time and for all intents and purposes, impossible. And that's the situation here, in this era. It's like asking a cave man to invent a space shuttle.
LOL and thank you for your support :) I shall do my best to keep things rolling, and make some impossibilities, come true ;) :P
I've been wondering why Starfleet doesn't use secondary warp drives , such as the ones that power shuttle craft for specific uses i.e. shielding and weaponry .
You cant just add a second warp core. It would be like adding a second battery to your cell phone, it would simply burn it out, as there is no way to utilize the excess energy on a constant basis. Hope that answers your question :)
Kirk: Now that’s what I call a fiasco.
I know warp drive doesn't work the same as a thruster would, BUT, yet another design that looks like it'll flip itself over the first time warp is engaged. If anything, this thing will need a VERY wide for its size warp field.
I dont think it looks that way at all... And definitely you're thinking is just wrong given the mechanics of space, this isnt a car or plane you know lol
Each Mega Phaser Lance should have its own smaller horizontal warp core built into the housing. Probably crewed by its own engineering team and have its own matter/anti-matter supply, allowing for simultaneous firing.
Unfortunately Warp Cores dont work that way! You cant (generally) have any more than one functioning on a starship... The amount of Energy a Warp Core creates is simply TO large to bleed off by a Phaser Lance! IE it would be like you trying to power your phone directly from a Nuclear Reactor!
I've noticed a lot of Ulysses style designs crop up a lot in these Beta cannon. The Luna class followed it, and now the Longbow. I'm curious why that is. It's almost as popular as the Miranda style.
No it isnt, the Ulysses Class was from Starfleet Command Volume 2 and Klingon Academy but in 100s of thousands of comments on this channel, it's been mentioned only 3 times, and only recently. That's hardly almost as popular as the Miranda! Also Ulysses Style starships is not a thing... Either it's the Ulysses Class, OR it's another Class!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics granted, the roll bar... mission pod, was a Miranda feature that carried over to several other models. I was mainly referring to the nacelles parallel with the secondary hull, and the primary hull above those. There's a 3rd design I've seen in the OS style but for the life of me, can't remember where I saw it.
No matter, this design has staying power.
Given that this was unlikely to be deployed on 5yr missions, thus requiring less cargo capacity need, it would stand to reason that a second updated horizontal warp core could be added to this intimidating design. As to the Lance's, they could be switched out for an over & under pair of the proven mega phasers. All that it'd require is an additional mount.
This is a bit of a nitpick, but if you pay any abide to the Roddenberry Rules of Starship design, which were seemingly followed by the production designers in regards to the Canon ships, then shouldn't the nacelles be oriented so that the grills have line of sight...?
As always, it's a stellar video. :)
First, there is no such Roddenberry rule... This a myth created by Roddenberry himself when he and Franz Joseph got in to an argument over Gene using his starship designs in TMP. And the reason this becomes a myth, is because Roddenberry himself often broke the rule in designs he signed off for in TNG. You cant say theres a rule, and then not abide by it yourself... And no, the Production Designers didnt follow that supposed rule, see the USS Stargazer from TNG, who's nacelles ARE on their side!
Second, you cant just add a second warp core. It would be like adding a second battery to your cell phone, it would simply burn it out, as there is no way to utilize the excess energy on a constant basis.
Third, the Mega Phasers didnt work in this design to begin with, so you would be just swapping one problem for another!
Lastly, all great dieas/ Comments/ suggestions, thank you for the support! Keep Trekkin'
I wonder, what if they had equipped the ship with an extra warp core by extending the neck structure and adding more thickness and armoring around it, as well as making the impulse engine larger to cover it up? This way, there would be more power to allocate to all the different weapon systems, and, so long as the ship wasn't produced in massive numbers, the additional construction and maintenance cost of having a warship with 2 warp cores could be justified by having the asset be available when they might not need it instead of it not being available when they really did need something like it.
You cant just add a second warp core. It would be like adding a second battery to your cell phone, it would simply burn it out, as there is no way to utilize the excess energy on a constant basis.
If the Phasers were channeled through the warp reactor to achieve higher power output, couldn't they use the impulse reactors before the supplemental batteries kick in?
No, entirely different systems and not powerful enough compared to the Warp Core or the specially designed Phaser Batteries!
That should have been built at the same time the stargazer was and be the inspiration for the Miranda
Uhhhhh no! The Miranda Class had already been in service by this point, and the Constellation Class has NOTHING to do with this class!
So that's where the culture of next Tuesday came from
The name of this class compels me to make an obscure joke almost no one will get: "The Longbow Class: The only Federation ship with a warp core powered by a stew made of corn, green pepper, chicken, (sigh) onions..."
Johnny Longbow? Lol
Have you ever done a video of old vs new warp scales?
Ive done multiple videos on the different warp scales under the series title of Trek Facts!
The USS Kitbash…
An interesting, if not unique, kitbash design. One issue though, and just a personal opinion, is the addition of the Lance phasers. They seem way too overkill in terms of offensive capabilities and heavily against the Federation policy of not creating warships. To boot Starfleet engineers would have know the standard Warp cores (even the new ones) woyld not have the power or stability to power them. Starfleet wotld have been well aware of the power requirements for such weapons and would jot have deployed them like this with performing some form of trials. Starting out with equipping one and then seeing how it performed before just attaching two more. This class was doomed to fail right out of space Dock if they failed to account for power requirements for all weapons systems aboard the class. Almost like they wanted it to fail at that point.
Not at all, this is brand new technology! So testing it to discover its true limits is very different than theory on paper... This happens in real life ALL the time! See cell phones, computers, cars, airplanes etc etc making your ideas completely moot!
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Alister Dwight Eisenhower warned the Federation about the military industrial complex in his speach of April 22, 2297.
Soo, it’s a kitbash of a Constitution and Miranda class
Strange… but cool !
No, it's far more than that!
But thanks! :p
My question is: why should a kitbash-ship have a NX-Registry? doesn't make sense. also in-universe this ship would be build from approved and tested parts on a also preexisting spaceframe. so there would no experimental status necessary,
Incorrect on ALL accounts!
First off, canon has shown us that the NX Registry is given to ANY class that is the first test subject for the line! SEE Excelsior, Prometheus etc etc.. So it makes absolute sense!
Second, Your comment on "in-universe this ship would be build from approved and tested parts on a also preexisting spaceframe. so there would no experimental status necessary" is also untrue. If that were the case, then Starfleet would NEVER have technological breakthroughs or upgrade it's tech , as they will always NEED a test vessel for any new concepts or technology to prove it would work!
Sorry, you've got nothing here!
What source did you get the Longbow Class?
FASA
Imagine if the reliant looked like this
The Enterprise would have been destroyed and the movie would have ended in the first half hour :P
Why are X Wing lasers on here? Actually looks decent, except the aft lance.
There arent, all the parts come from other Starfleet Starships, the Phaser Lance coming from a Miranda Class variant model!
Idk, maybe two warp cores😮
You cant just add a second warp core. It would be like adding a second battery to your cell phone, it would simply burn it out, as there is no way to utilize the excess energy on a constant basis.
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Some of these designs are so just rearranged constitution kit.
There are no designs that are simply rearranged Connies!
Just as well. It's kinda goofy looking. It's all about the look you know.
Not ALL about, but it is a BIG part of human nature!
Well I like what you have done with the 3D model, but it's a little but USS "PewPew" for me. Possibly maybe a one-shot for if something as bad as the Borg were ever to be discovered in the late 2200's.
LOL well thankfully you're not in charge of Starfleet Command then, as we'd quickly have another Wolf 359 tragedy if you were :P
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Hahaha, hell no if a large hostile ship was heading for Earth was the main part of my day I would not send ships with civilians to intercept...
Yeah the tragedy would still happen as under your leadership, Starfleet would have no "Pew-Pew" ships, and unable to defend itself :P
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics haha, was it "Pew-Pew" that brought the Borg down at the end of Best of Both Worlds?
No, it was dumb luck, something you can never count on, and that Starfleet corrected for its second encounter with the Borg at the Battle of Sector 001! The Federation would have been assimilated in that battle if you had been leader :P
Nah, sorry, i'm just not feeling it. That is an abominable kitbash!
Well there are certainly some interesting designs in Beta Canon LOL But you dont have to like it! Im just glad the majority does :)
Really starting to hate how just any Bob and Jane thinks they can just throw together two designs (in this case, Miranda and constitution) , add a few small pieces and call that a new class. No... it's lazy.
Odd, as it's ONLY you that's whining... In fact, all you're doing is trying to whine and complain on this channel. Says more about you then it does about me or the designs... Jealousy is shining through like a beacon in the night LOL
Also, you tried to correct someones grammar in the comments, that goes against channel rules. Your services are NOT desired, nor required as the Grammar police. So reign it in, get a grip and stop being an A$$. If you dont, you WILL be banned, and removed from this channel! This is your only warning! And PS, as an Acronym, they were correct in adding "the" in front of TNG.
The engineers are on Acid (LSD)
Why? Because you dont like the design? It's severely short sighted to make such a statement, as advances even today come from Engineers, Designers etc willing to take chances even in the face of failure, or being called drug addicts!