(100)The Daedalus Class
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- In today's episode of Truth OR Myth Beta, we're taking a look at the Daedalus Class, an Enterprise Era design often talked about in Star Trek, displayed in model form in the TNG Era and finally seen in space in Star Trek: Lower Decks! I hope you enjoy!
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Unironically love this class. It's always screamed "figuring this shit out as we go".
I love it too. What a lot of people don't know is this could have been the Enterprise. It was one of the designs that was presented to Gene. This is one of the things that I mean when I talk about going back and looking at having shows in the past. Could you see a series on the Romulan War? Yes we would have our space battles, but at least one episode cold be devoted to the fight to get this class back into action. And of course we could have more shows after the war. Episodes that were foreshadowed as Star Fleet found interesting things during the war. Besides all this the effort behind bringing the other races into the war, the forming of the Federation and ..... I better shut up before I ruin my chance to work for Hollywood because of interesting ideas.
Man I wish they had done season 5 of enterprise. Such a missed opportunity. Love your videos bud!
He’s good right?
Thank you both so much :)
@@jeffhallam2004 very good
Big time missed opportunity....
Yep, as well as fixing Trips death. what a mess that was.
24th century Miranda crew: "My life is pain"
24th century Daedalus crew: "pretty sure my home colony is younger than this thing..."
Rolfmao
I feel like this ship is often the butt of a joke in the Trekkie community, but all the beauty shots of it in this video have me actually appreciating that it’s kind of a cool looking ship after all. 😮
Thank you, that means a lot to me :)
Love the Daedalus and always have. A simple and sound design. As a mechanic, I can embrace the simplicity and flexibility; which it's long existence is owed to such engineering principles.
Love this old ship. Truly a utilitarian, solid design:)
This Starship design is one of the many concepts Matt Jeffries had when coming up with the Enterprise for the original series. Indeed it is prototypical of most all the Starship designs that came after. There is a Wonderful beauty in that itself. Jeffries was a Genius designer. It still looks like a "feasible" design for a spacefaring vessel even today.
Still want to see this ship in Alpha Cannon. Hopefully it appears in "Strange New Worlds."
Loved your Beta Cannon history.
It IS in Alpha Canon, as it appears in DS9 as a model in Sisko's office and it's in Lower Decks... I think you mean in action in CGI in SNW ;)
I know that it is Alpha Cannon. What I mean is to see it in action. See it make Starfleet History. Not just a decoration or a place holder (Lower Decks).
You dont like decorations? :P Im just teasing you, but wanted to make sure those reading this comment understood what you meant so they wouldnt try to lay in to you ;)
That’s a huge upgrade and refit! Wow…other than appearance it’s a completely different ship…
I think it's a much better depiction of the class, and I was the one who reskinned and added it to Space Engine ;)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Indeed, will follow up with a Beta about the USS Pasteur which of course was inspired by the Daedalus?
:) Ive actually already done a video on the Olympic Class ;)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics oh wow I guess I’m getting old
No worries, Im right there with you :P
I always liked the Daedalus class. It vaguely looks like someone wearing a jetpack.
LOL, I love this design personally ;)
Love the original and when it was updated in TNG.
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Me too. As always, thanks for the very cool and interesting "beta" canon video! Nice looking images of this class here!!!!!!
With all the different styles and takes of the Daedalus Class floating around, and the knowledge that some are still around by the 24th century in private defense fleets after being handed off rather than decommissioned, I like to imagine that so many refits and retrofits have been done to the class over the years since being removed from Starfleet service that no two Daedali are alike. Some have triple deflector clusters while others have one, some have a primary hull deflector while others are smooth, some have warp grills, some have cylindrical hulls while others are ovoid etc.
When I first saw this class (many moons ago), I didn't care for it. But it has grown on me over the years and your "takes" on these more obscure designs always make them kind of cool. Thanks for the videos and your talented backstory writing and production.🖖🏼
Same with me, but now a days, I love it :) And thank you Bill, means a lot :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics i was the same its one of favorites
Thanks for this one. It's really unfortunate to not see a series based on this ship. It's simplicity in design and place on Trek history would make a really neat series.
You're welcome :)
This is why love Star Trek ships more than the Star Wars one's the simple elegant design I love since I was a child great video
Thank you :)
Well done. love the video, watched it a few times. Such a missed opportunity with no Enterprise Season 5. Imagine the battles to retake star systems and push the Romulans out.
Thank you so much :) And I do imagine that, maybe too often ;) :P
Love this and the Olympic class.
I love this class as well :)
Should look at the Hope and Nobel classes
Since I first saw the initial designs of this ship I liked the look of it "2001 Space Odyssey" and deffo hoped they used this for Enterprise or that we saw at least one as Starfleets first "NCC" reg, but hopefully this will change in SNW. See ya soon Tri, on with the video of the impossible to spell ship class :)
Very interesting video, I hope we see more of the Daedalus Class in the future.
I hope so too! :)
@TriAngulum Audio Studios I’m supervised it made it to 2381.
Astounding how a greater level of detail, including some subtle curves where originally there were just straight lines, can make even this goofy-looking ship look dignified.
Thank you very much :)
Cool video. Makes complete since.
The video got me thinking of maybe a twentieth-century analog, look at the GUPPY conversions of US World War II diesel submarines. Post-war upgrades to the war built submarines to allow them to stay in service, some up until the 1970s.
Thank you so much, and it pleases me to no end when I hear that a video Ive made, made someone think, so thank you :)
I do appreciate how you made a point of telling a story that ended with the Daedalus taking up its old assumed role of being exploration/science focused. Not a bad way to tie-in with how Starfleet loves to rework existing space frames for newer roles either.
Thank you Kyle :)
Your narrative helps explain the nearly half dozen variations of the class that have appeared in different sources. Including the model on Capt Sisko's desk. Which was seen but never refereed to in the show.
Thank you, that was a part of my goal, so it's nice that you noticed :)
The Daedalus class should have been what Archer commanded.
I liked the NX but always felt it was a little ahead of where it should have been in the Star Trek time-line.
Agreed. Even my kid self at the time thought "oh cool, it's an Akira-class!", *nevermind that ship would be 200 years too early yet.* 😑
Frankly, the more I think about it, the more I wish Archer's Enterprise had been a Daedalus-class instead. Not much of a fan of the NX series anymore.
Gotta love how we are like one massive world war with genetically enhanced super soldiers and like 130 years away from Star Trek cannon history
Man the sight it must have been to see a fleet of battle ready balls going towards you.
it may have been overlooked but it will never be forgotten 😊
Oh those Romulans!
LOL I know right? :P
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Indeed!
Awesome video. I love daedalus class. Keep up the great work👍👍
Thanks, will do! Well, try to do ;) :P
Imagine season 5 of Enterprise and a fleet of deadalus class just got destroyed by a fleet of Romulan ships.
I do, often actually ;)
Not how I see it. I see Dadelaus class reinforcements saving the day.
The most famous of all was the U.S.S. Horizon, the one that visited Sigma Iota 2. The " Gangster planet".
Another great episode! Love the beta canon for the class. Also love that the officer who joked about upgrading the retired Daedalus-class ended up leading the project! LOL The 3D model you used looks really good!
Glad you enjoyed it And thank you, I love adding those little comedic tidbits ;) And Thank you, I reskinned the model for this video :)
Was just geeking out over this ship yesterday when watching a DS9 episode in VRC while a friend joined. Saw a model of it in the background in Sisko's office in "Trials and Tribulations". Also see I'm not the only one who noticed its canon debut in Lower Decks :3
The USS Archon mentioned in the original series was one of this class
Yes please give us a series based on the class please!!! Pre and post romulan war.
Something tells me that probably will never happen, but we can hope ;)
Always was curious how you'd fit this one in your narrative
Hope you weren't disappointed ;)
I still wish Enterprise had been set a few years later so we could have gotten the Romulan War and early Federation days instead of wasting so much time on the Sullivan and the Temporal Cold War nonsense.
I really think the producers of "Enterprise' assumed the show would get a 7 year run like the previous three trek shows and the Romulan War/birth of the UFP could take up the final 2 or 3
seasons of the show.
I LOVE the Daedalus class, and your rendering does it justice. Thanks for this.
Glad you like it! And thank you Dash :)
Nice narrative! I like thease ships kind of the VW Beatle of Starfleet 😀
Me too! :) And thank you :)
the real workhorse of early starfleet. from a cargo vessel to a warship to a exploratory vessel what a career
Excellent concept! I love the way you've smoothly integrated original Alpha/beta canon on the the Daedalus class from TNG, TOS and especially ENT. I was hoping you'd include the Stiles family line into the class' history--good move. Another thing I'd like to add about your channel, unlike the producers of modern TV Trek (except Mike McMahon of Lower Decks), you have a unflinching respect for design canon and embrace the "simplistic" designs from Matt Jeffries and early fan designer Franz Joesph. Keep it going! Please do a vid about Star Fleet earlier orbital space stations (including Joesph's Fleet Bases and those from FASA as well).
Thank you very much Gary, I love Trek and always attempt to respect it all regardless of how I personally feel about something :)
The thing about the Daedalus class is in the finale of Enterprise we hear Reed talk about the new warp 7 capable starships and that I have always assumed that they would be the Daedalus class.
I think this was also later my head canon when I got the game Star Trek Legacy and we had the Daedalus in that as well as 2 other classes I forget the name of but I assume these were by then all warp 7 capable but Archer was still in command of the Enterprise and had Romulan incursions in it - I know its a game and can be taken in any way I guess but even in that game the Daedalus were medical ships.
4:45 This Lieutenant Jonathan Styles - I wonder if his probably I amn guessing again his future great grandson would be the Captain Styles in command of the prototype Excelsior we see in Search For Spock - I am positive it is Captain Styles who is the commanding officer of that.
I definitely like this version of the Daedalus class model, it seems mure fitting and such with a visible deflector dish on it, but some will prefer the model without the visible deflector I am sure, but to each their own tastes.
Minuteman. Poseidon. Yorktown.
I love how the nacelles attach to the secondary hull. They seem to just flow. And the connecting tube between the forward and rear don't bother me like it has in some version. Whoever did the CGI of this ship my hats off to you.... Wait I don't wear a hat. OK OK you can have my first born, or one of my ex take your pick.
It’s a no brained that this vessel is a homage to the Discovery(2001:A Space Odyssey).
We hear about it in TNG: Power Play illustration was made in books and manuals and Ben Sisko has a model behind his desk.
A lot of novels made both reference and a Essex novel as well.
And how fate can kill a good thing. The proposed Season 5 of ENT would have a introduction to the Daedalus class ship.
The Daedalus would live on between the 24th/25th Century with the Olympus Class.
The Daedalus class is the Equivalent to the Honda Civic. They can be tuned and made from slow cargo ships to fast battle vessels.
Like the Miranda abs Constellation. The Daedalus was for sure the work horse of Starfleet.
As a man with simple taste, it would be a honor to command one of these machines.
TAS keep up the good work, I swore your voice was used for Starfleet Academy Training.
OOOO what a compliment, thank you ;) :P
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics the spell checker on my phone is whacked. It’s Miranda and Constellation not “abs”.
With only three episodes, what do you think of ST: Prodigy and the Protostar.
The title sounds like another SCE(Starfleet Core of Engineering).
But with a ragtag of misfits fleeing from tyranny, the correct title should be Star Trek:Escapade.
Daedalus class on Lower Decks=mind blown. Good eye on that one! 😮
Now that I look at it more closely, the Daedalus actually looks pretty nice!
I, F-wording, love your videos.
These have always been my favorite ships.
Am I the only one who'd like to see a series set on one of these in the late 24th century? I imagine just keeping a 300 year old ship in one piece must be a logistical nightmare
Hopefully, this class as well as the Dreadnought might get some screen time in the upcoming ST: BNW.
You never know ;)
The _Daedalus_ class finally gets its due. Nice work.
Thank you :)
Some videos turn out better than one may think. This is definitely one of them.
Thank you Warren :)
Another awesome video! All I could think of was the placement of the 8x phaser cannons to ensure omni-coverage. If I were a Captain of a Daedalus class starship, I would do the following:
4x phaser cannons on front facing of sphere, 2x in upper sphere and 2x on lower sphere creating a box formation.
1x phaser cannon on upper rear of sphere.
1x phaser cannon on lower rear of sphere.
1x phaser cannon on cylindrical hull, towards the rear starboard side.
1x phaser cannon on cylindrical hull, rowards the rear port side.
Wish I had more cannons, but that's how I would spread it out. As you can see, I would have an aggressive profile since 4x are facing forward.
Thats a great spread actually :) And thank you for the support :)
Very cool well done video daedalus-class sure did fill a niche
I really love the Daedalus ships. To me, they are beautiful.
Just found your channel.
Don't know how Ive missed it, lol.
Awesome work, Im now a new subscriber!
Well Welcome aboard! Im pretty proud of the Channel and Videos Ive made and of course the community here :) Hope you have a great time :)
🖖😎👍Very nicely well done and executed indeed, And very nicely well informatively explained to its fullest detail as possible. Also its a very cool looking ship indeed and I own the Eaglemoss model and a model kit of this class of starship as well👌.
Hello, Dave. Nice!
Hello, Don. Thanks!
❤BRAVO My friend. Another wonderful story and on one of my least favourite ships!!😂 I am impressed! As always!❤
Considering that this ship started as a doodle on one of Matt Jeffries' note pads as a possible design for the TOS Enterprise, It's a pretty cool early-Starfleet ship. Also, I like the way you explain away the sizing discrepancy--well done.
Thank you so much Glenn :)
Also found out today that long time character actor William Lucking has passed away. He was a Star Trek Alumni--playing characters in TNG, DS9 and ENT.
Ahhh yes, he played one of Kira's old Resistance Mates! AWWW :( May he Rest In Peace :(
Love it!
Thank you very much for this nice (Episode 208) Truth OR Myth BETA- The Daedalus Class
You're very welcome :)
I've always liked this ship. It's why farmed dilithium like crazy to get it on Star Trek online zen store. Thanks for the great video.
Very welcome! :)
I really like spherical designs idk why, are you planning to do a video about the NX refit?
Absolutely ;) Sooner then you think ;)
While I love the saucer shaped main hull, the sphere makes sense. It it the most efficient shape to enclose a volume, and the cylindrical secondary is a good shape also
Very well done
Thank you :)
That was always starfleet's biggest problem they refused to develop Dedicated warships. Even though several times in its history it had its nose bloodied by not being prepared, they still kept up with their idealism overpracticality. It took the threat of the borg to force them to create dedicated warship platforms, And even then they only made prototypes and never continued on with mass production!
Me and a friend are working on a fan fic Enterprise rewrite that starts with the Xindi conflict right off the bat. In the rewrite Archer starts off captaining a Daedalus class starship called the Prometheus (NC-03) during the Xindi mission. Archer will later on get the NX-01 after the mission.
LOVE your videos.....
Glad you like them! Thank you so much Derick :)
Fantastic episode brother!👍
Glad you enjoyed it :) Thank you :)
I like the Olympic class and the fenlon class class v monitor along with the daedalus
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but you already spoke about the daedalus class before in another video. Unless this is an updated version?
Beta canon
I have done a video in the past on the Daedalus Class, and my original idea was to simply update video with new graphics... However, when I began to dive in, well lets just say the entire video changed, and thus why it's not titled as an update ;)
I always wondered what the Daedalus class looked like ever since tng episode power play. Very cool this is the essex
I'd really like to see the ball section scaled up, fitted with retractable warp nacelles _(so it could go into "fortress mode")_ and ablative armour to be used as a mobile orbital defence or scientific platform. I think it would be great to have a bunch of them sat waiting in a ship yard ready to be deployed around a vulnerable planet and able to be recalled once the danger had passed or true defence platforms built.
It always made sense for the new Federation Starfleet to build many plain jane, minimally impressive, starships to explore space rather than fewer crown-jewel starships. Space is, after all, tremendously huge, even in the pioneering days not too far away from Earth you'd need a lot of ships to cover ground of exploration as well as day to day operations for going to known worlds for transport and diplomacy issues. This starship class would be very modular so portions of it could be built in on different planetary systems, you can really see the modular design of the pieces of the Daedalus, kind of like a modular home being built from prefabricated parts. This is in contrast than swooping uni-body type starship designs we see later when the Federation becomes more affluent and built up.
Not sure I like the Daedalus Class starting out as a cargo ship. Especially since it doesn’t look like one. I always assumed they were developed alongside the Intrepid or NX Classes. Still cool video. I’m just very protective of this ship lol.
I laughed at 04:58. Poor Styles. You should have kept quiet.
LOL, I know right? ;)
I feel like the third most disappointing thing about Enterprise (after the early cancellation, and that final episode) is that we never got to see this ship on screen
Starfleet:
Okay, we can’t make enough super awesome NX class ships… so we need a cheaper and faster alternate!
That one guy in the back: dude dude… what if… we take a ball… and stick engines on it!!
Starfleet: …YES.
A nice back story for the Deadalus class. In the style of the NX componets the Deadalus class looks realy cool. I it's so bad that we never have offical see the Romulan war, because the NX-01 refit Is allso a very nice design.
I did not realize the importance of the Daedalus class. I only thought of it as a transport/ early explorer 🖖
The Daedalus Class is often considered a failed design because the sphere hull but looking back I think that it was the because of the neck. The single connection between the primary & secondary hull would appear to be a bad idea but obviously as it is almost universal to Starfleet. The Daedalus pioneered this design and proved the concept.
As for the sphere, I think it is still present on the saucer type hulls but as the structural core. The Constitution Class has a longer neck with spherical frame that saucer “slice” sections are added to increase habitable areas.
I love this ship so much! It's so human and ugly! It is exactly what you'd expect from an early Earth with the space frame and tech.
This is a beautiful ship often called a dinky design of ships this video make this class the back-bone of cargo work horses! Thanks for the video🤓👍
Excellent. I theorized the first of the NX Class were as follows: Enterprise; Columbia; Challenger; Discovery; Atlantis; Endeavour. I wonder why...?
I wish there were more easy to find model kits of the Daedalus class you could find out there.
This shift makes a brief appearance in the Star Trek fan film Star Trek continues.
One of your BEST stories!
Wow, thank you Frank!
Another great job. Interesting that her 1st canon appearance was in DS9 as a model in Sisko's office, and her bridge was originally in the center of the primary hull and not the @ the top. During pre-production of Ent Doug Drexler and others from the production team argued that the Ent should be a Daedalus class to keep in line w/ the Chronicles of Space Flight book that was used during the TNG era shows as part of the series(s) bible... Needless to say they were over ruled by the CBS Brass. Just one of the many issues of the CBS folks messing w/ production to the shows detriment. So sad that Moonves axed the show after Manny Coto had righted the ship, I would have loved to see the Romulan war, NX MK2/ Columbia class and the in world reason for the prefix code and the reason the technology looked so simple back in TOS and TMP era.
You mean Paramount dont you? CBS had nothing to do with Enterprise!
Very interesting video! 🖖🏼
Back when *Enterprise* was announced, I was really hoping to see Daedalus-class. Ah, the road not taken!
I was wondering if they'd go with the Daedalus Class as well... Then after, I was hoping they'd introduce it... Sadly, sometimes wishes never come true :( ;)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics So true. I was hoping that it would be a Daedalus-class ship initially. But if wishes were horses...
One of Matt Jeffries working comps for the Enterprise looked like this.
Very informative video
My phone background is a render of 3 Daedalus class ships launching weapons vis dorsal launch tubes ala ICBMs while being attacked by Romulans.
Niice :)
I really like the Daedalus class Starship it's definitely 1 of my favourite Starfleet designs
Hey, the sphere on the front of this class looks a lot like that on the ship from 2001!
Yet another video?!!
You've been a busy bee recently, ain't that right, David? :-)
Thanks a lot for all the efforts!
P.S. - I thought that you had already covered this class in the past, but I ain't sure now.
Looks too, Empire.
I love this design, especially Madkoifish's take on it.
That is the adult toy class. Made to penetrate the deepest of blackholes.
I remember reading about this class on the Starfleet museum website I think I remember it saying that it was brought into service in 2161 I think the comet class was a scout and recon ship in the UE-Romulan war
And that would be an incorrect statement as Canon has told us differently... IE TNG's episode Power Play names the Essex as a Daedalus Class and says it was decommissioned by 2196, unfortunately it doesnt say when they first came in to service... Beta Canon on the other hand does, the Star Trek Encyclopedia for example lists it as being commissioned in the early 2140's. The Enterprise Novel, The Romulan War novel: Beneath the Raptor's Wing, confirms this along with how by the 2150's the class was considered old... Various other sources, video games and comics also confirm this. So when ALL Beta Canon sources confirm the same thing, then that's the truth until Canon says otherwise!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics I dunno enterprise for me wasn't what I imagined the pre federation earth to be when I first watched it I fought that the Daedalus would of been like a ship of the line I was expecting to see Yorktown classes and Powhatan classes going up against like cabbage and chowder classes and seeing battles like hell's gate
Well of course you're welcome to your feeling, but sadly, canon completely contradicts your wishes and hopes... And in that type of argument, canon always wins!
The design is reminiscent of The Discovery from 2001: A Space Odyssey.