"I didn't kill them, they died a natural death" "They had 147 broken bones and drowned in their own blood" "It is only natural that you die without oxygen"
I mean not really worse than death in atla since it's not that kind of universe. With the context that this is a kids to teens show I don't think they are having anybody brutally crippled off screen by the main character. Stories exist in their own genre
Just becuase its a kid show doesn't mean bad shit can't happen. The whole thing with ba sing sei was literally brainwashing women to expand the dai lis influence over the earth kingdom. You're telling me you think that sudden avalanche while the soldiers were retreating killed no one? @@unlimon6382
I like to think avatar yangchen had like a RIDICULOUS kill count. And the whole time she's talking to aamg she is trying to be understanding and struggling not to tell him to just body all his enemies.
Non air benders ang knows from his childhood includes king boomy. From how rocky their slide rides are and the lack of any human accidents from it, he probably has no reason to believe fall damage exists.
It either means that canonically everyone survived those events, or that aang means "I have never used my power to purposefully take a life. If they died while I used my powers, that's on them."
Of course they survived. How else could keep that PG rating? Look, Jet unclearly died from a boulder to his chest. Fine. So why didn't Zuko die from the same attack from Toph?
@@ShinobiPXO zuko wasn't hit on vital organs I guess makes sense since toph wasn't aiming for a kill there she just threw an attack in his direction while laung "whatever his name was" probably aimed his attack to be deadly
@@RedTyrant Death, injury and general physics only matter when the writers want them to. Despite fighting Firebenders, we almost never see the characters get burned. It only happens in the Deserter to show off Kataras new healing powers
honestly, maybe he doesn't. remember, he's an airbender and he grew up with airbenders. it possible that he's never been around people who aren't airbenders long enough to really understand things like "if someone gets thrown off a cliff they can't airbend to slow their fall" aang is 12, few 12 year olds fully understand how the world works, and its fully possible that aang hasn't really grasped the concept that people die if they fall from too high a drop or get too cold. because airbenders also could control the air temperature around themselves so they never got too cold or too hot and like waterbenders, could dry themselves off easily should they become wet.
@@abiean222 Until you remember he yeeted that one dude off the same Kiyoshi murder cliff the entire plot of the episode was centered around. And that he travelled the world before the war and knew all kinds of different benders. And that probably one of the first things a kid with wind superpowers would learn is "dont blast the poor fuckin non-benders off our giant sky temples"
@@DavidSonofDavid i'm pretty sure that non-benders didn't go to the air temples. but the thing is, we are making assumptions, and one of those assumptions is that people told aang that falling from a great height will kill you. i wonder if aang's non-airbender friends even considered that aang didn't know that. and again, aang grew up in the air temples surrounded by airbenders, because everyone in the air temples was an airbender. the thing about growing up with things is, you think its normal. many people have given testaments where they say that they thought that everyone did things a certain way, and it wasn't until they grew up and moved away from that environment that they learned that their upbringing wasn't universal. if no one thought to tell aang that people die from falling from great heights because they assumed that the monks taught him that, and all aang knew was that people can survive getting thrown off of cliffs, why would he question that? yes he is out in the world, but he is still a kid - kids don't question reality like an adult does.
@abiean222 dude that's a pretty weak argument as you yourself are also making assumptions. First off Aang isn't an idiot and very aware that non-benders/other bending types have different limitations than his own. Had he not ever left the temple I could maybe see where you are coming from but he was pretty well traveled (well enough to understand physics are different for him) prior to the show. There is literally no way that even as a 12 year old he didn't know yeeting people off cliffs killed them as we've seen plenty of times in the show where he rescued falling people. Also explain how he isn't aware that dumping an avalanche of snow on people kills them too either by wait or suffocation. We've just scene so much evidence of Aangs familiarity with non-air benders for this to be something he is unaware of. It's simply inconsistent writing brought on by the need to have a moral/pg ending for the show. As with the other situations while his actions most definitely resulted in deaths they were assumed and never exactly "on screen deaths" like Ozai's would need to have been.
There were also those guys he shot down ladders at lightspeed in the Blue Spirit and the giant flaming boulder he hucked at a battleship in the Serpent's Pass. Really these are most of Aang's less culpable murders. His body was possessed by the Koi and the avatar state.
That's why the scene where Aang kills the buzzard wasp in the desert is so important, because it's the first time Aang *CONSCIOUSLY* takes a life (not in avatar state) and even more important because it was completely unnecessary. Momo was already free, but he still went back in an act of rage and killed it just because he was so triggered by the potential of losing Momo - his last physical connection to his culture since Appa was already stolen at this point. It's such a great moment of character development for Aang and gives him levels. That was Aang at literal rock bottom.
Kids shows be like: "Yes i attacked my enemies with the full extends of my superhuman powers, but really it was just more like a strong push. Of course they survived that."
I believe that Aang's denial is a coping mechanism. He was supposed to be the Avatar first and an Airbender second but he wasn't mature enough to understand the weight of his Avatarhood when he was told and so acted rashly and never really got to adjust. The first season alone is mostly about him taking long detours on his journey as a means of avoiding going north where his freedom as a nomad would end and he'd have to fully commit to his waterbending lessons.
Meh it’s also because they couldn’t travel straight to the north pole cause they needed food and other supplies while traveling. Obviously it’s not mentioned but I imagine that Bumi for example gave them money and supplies to help them go north. It took like a month to reach the north pole or whatever. It’s pretty confusing and not pointed out but they kinda traveled all over the world throughout the series I guess
That is an interesting way to interpret the story, but if that were the case, I think that the narrative would, or at least it certainly should, address it. That it doesn't makes me think that it's the writers being unwilling (or unable, as it's theoretically a show for children) to endorse lethal violence as a means to solving conflict. Even explicitly genocidal conflict.
i love how literally 5 minutes prior to him throwing the guy off of the cliff in avatar day it had been shown that falling off of THAT SPECIFIC CLIFF kills people
They should have rewritten that to say that he's never executed anyone. His goal was not to kill but to defend, but people died as a result. People dying was not the intention. Fire Lord ozai was the only one he was supposed to fight with the goal of executing him.
Precisely. That would have made things much more beliavable. He never fought with the intention to kill (except that wasp.... so much for "all life is sacred" lol But I can forgive him, we all do things we regret because of rage), and changing that mindset consiously would be really stressfull AND go aganist his beliefs.
@@mememan1546 Yeah, but you forget. Aang was: -starving -dehydrated -overheated -recently suffered a huge loss -still is reeling from a fight If you can look me in the eye and say that under all those circumstances that such an action is not an understandable rage response then you are either a spiritual Master or you never were in a situation that pushed you that far. Not saying what Aang did was justified btw. I think that was the point.
Nonono, you all misunderstood Aang didn't use his bending to kill people like the firenation etc does. He just bend his elements in the general direction of his enemies and they just happen to be in the way. Dying at that point is their own fault for sure.
But of course, fire actually hurts their targets. While Aang’s preferred element - wind - simply… nudges them gently in a different direction! And if they happen to stand next to a cliff? That’s their problem, they should learn how to position themselves better, honestly Aang was the real victim there.
Aang taking out the buzzard wasp is one of the most brutal examples imo, it was purely out of revenge, he'd already gotten Momo back any further action at that point was just vindictive.
@@shriharihudli I disagree because when Aang talks to avatar Yangchen he says he was taught that "All life is sacred, even the life of the tiniest spiderfly caught in its own web." He 100% means he's never taken any life at all, because ALL of it is sacred and he's not going to split hairs over human and non-human, he's even a vegetarian because of his belief in this.
@@gregthepeglegpregdregprecisely. That was a big writing mistake in the original and the only thing we can do at this point and headcanon that Aang had a crisis of faith and his mental health was in a breaking point by then, or that he's an hypocrite lol
Sokka: "Aang, what did you have to do that for?" Aang: "The natural direction for everyone to fall is down." Sokka: "Yeah but you didn't have to push him OFF THE CLIFF." Aang: "That wasn't me, it was the wind." Sokka: "😲"
Aang gets a pass for the bodies littering the Northern Water Tribe and the sea bed out front since not only was he not in control of the avatar state, but was being directed by the Ocean Spirit. The writers may not have been thinking about the avalancheS at the Northern Air temple, but that would indeed have a high probability of killing people under realistic physics. Most writers treat getting thrown into the water as fine, but that was possibly high enough to hurt, and he was wearing armor that would pull him down. The sand skimmer was not occupied when it was smashed, though that did seem to be intent to cause at least medium bodily harm. Aang did straight up kill that buzzard wasp, which wouldn't be a big deal if he didn't make a big deal about sanctity of all life. That last bug was just disoriented and relocated.
On that one sure you could argue that he's just a conduit. However, it should be noted that he willingly merged with the Ocean Spirit and therefore is responsible for giving it a way to act out. It's like giving an obviously angry and hurt person a weapon and when they hurt or kill someone you claim to be innocent? If he really believed that he didn't have any hand in that then I'm going to respectfully call him stupid.
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In his defense, Katara not only survives a direct hit from a cannon ball-sized boulder at high speed but she only complains about it, which makes me think people are especially resilient in this world.
You missed the scene where toph threw a bunch of earth kingdom guards into a moat, and Aang iced it over before they all had time to surface. He definitely drowned several people
@@tacticallemon7518 I was wrong and so were you. I rewatched the scene. The Gaang had just protected themselves from the statues thrown at them from the other side of the moat. Katara rips into action, and uses water bending to get to the other side of the moat. She then throws the guards into the water. The rest of the Gaang make their way to her. As they do, Aang flies over the moat, and very clearly sends an air gust down into the moat, with the moat freezing on impact
@@NoNameBoi9987 then the fire nation didn't kill Katara's mom. Not even Yon Rha killed Katara's mom. It was all just fire, and Katara shouldn't hate the fire nation or Yon Rha, just fire in general.
People are forgetting as well all the war balloons he and katara downs, we saw no sign parachute exist until korra and most firebenders can't do the thruster move, they definitely all fell to their deaths
@@larryrottenberk7771 The joke isn't funny if the guy just comes back a few episodes later.... Clearly the cliff doesn't just magically kill you if that guy survived...
@@larryrottenberk7771 I would think that if someone was making videos about it or making comments supporting the points in the video that they would care.... People can have a laugh if they want, but that's not something I care about... Your comment, for example, I would find it funny if it was true, but since Kachi survived, the joke didn't land... Like most of the video, it's invalid, so I don't think it's funny...
@@TheAyanamiRei which is what Yang Chen was trying to tell him there. Sometimes there is just a greater purpose at hand that means you can't sit back and turn from a pacifist into a coward
Aang: They died of natural causes. Us: You have knocked so many people off of high places, it's not even funny! Aang: gravity is natural. Bonus joke: Also Aang: * laughs in the face of gravity *
TBF I think some of that was, he wasn't in control of himself in the Avatar State and also that he didn't really knowingly and purposefully kill anyone. He was possessed in the Water Kingdom for instance. Though pretty sure at least SOME of those people would have died from Aang's attacks.
At least we can agree on one thing the shadow realm makes everything better I wonder how strong zork would be now with all the souls in the shadow realm thanks aang
Allah said Life after death is true, I want to follow My Creator. If you are referring to believing Life after death, resurrection at the Day of Judgment, write my name too. I will live again after my death and you know what, you shall too. Happy freedom and choices.
I feel like taking down an invading tyrant can count as self defense. Like, Ozai started the fight. Aang is just giving an opportunity for one of them to finish it.
I feel like he's so innocent that he's unaware of his own strength, and just how little it takes to kill something, at least in most cases. Even breaking the siege of the North Pole he probably thought, "I mean it's chilly, but it is just water. Plus fire benders! Yeah, they can swim and keep themselves warm!"
I think of that more as a blackout moment or repression of the memory. If nothing else, I feel like it would count as him killing as much as being picked up and used as a hammer would.
The only firebender the gaang held some sort of coversation with at that point was Zuko. They saw him survive a swim in freezing waters with the only explanation given that he was a firebender, not knowing this was something most firebenders cannot do. That probably did not help Aang be less agressive with the rest either.
During the siege he likely weren’t even aware, period. He were in the avatar state, and in part possessed by the ocean spirit I believe which was angry for for Zhao did to the moon spirit. In turn the death and destruction and reason it took that form was as it were the ocean spirit using him as a vessel to attack, not him directly, so he didn’t necessarily kill anyone technically speaking, he was just the gun that was fired off by the spirit.
Yeah, unironically I can believe that he's so out of touch to not even think that most of the people sieging the north pole are just cogs in the machine, not capable of bending at all. On the other hand, he is not even conscious when he killed them, so we'll never really know what he thought before.
One moment that always stood out to me is when the Blue Spirit breaks him out of that fortress. Aang destroys a ladder that several soldiers were at the top of and they got shot down like two stories at super speed. It's so bizarrely violent for him.
Murder aside, I do think that making Ozai live in a world where he’s now helpless and unimportant, failed at all his goals, and has to watch the fire nation he thought he lead so well become a better place without him (under the leadership of the son he thought of as worthless) is the perfect punishment. Let the guy see the world heal. Let him see that he meant nothing. Let him watch as the world moves on from his era of tyranny and pain and becomes better and stronger than he could’ve ever made it. Let him suffer with the knowledge that nothing that he wanted would come to fruition
or let him be COMPLETELY stubborn until his very last day of life, thinking and believing that someday the world will crumble because it wasn't structured the way he wanted it
Counter point: In reality, you’re just boring him to death while wasting resources (time, money, food, human capital, space, etc.) on him you wouldn’t have to if Aang just melted his head off his shoulders or blew his brains out. Who cares if he feels bad? Who cares if he changes? Doesn’t matter anyway-so just bend his blood out and be done with it.
@@bekkfxst I mean they also could just legally execute him. Aang is a child, if he doesn’t wanna murder a guy he shouldn’t have to. Just shove Ozai in a guillotine and have the regularly hired executioner do what he’s paid for.
@@Sly-Moose Sokka, Suki and Zuko: raised in war and to be warriors, killing happens Aang: every life is sacred Katara: doesnt kill but showed she was down to it if needed be when she found her mom's murderer Toph: enjoys it
For anyone still holding out hope that literally all of these people survive: what really matters is whether he could have killed someone. His whole goal is to never take a life, and so doing something that puts someone in a position where they could reasonably die is against that rule. And even for the ones in the Avatar state when Aang didn’t have full control, he would still need to address that his lack of control got people killed, and that blood is still on his hands whether he meant to do it or not.
The internet has ruined me, i saw the title, IMMEDIATELY knew where this was going, giggled, then lost my shit the moment the music started despite knowing what was gonna happen. So glad we all think alike on this scene looking back on it lmfao
Anyone remember when Aang had that chat with Kiyoshi and he pointed out Chen the Conqueror killed himself because he didn’t move from the spot he was standing? Again….because “he didn’t move” but Kiyoshi herself said she personally didn’t see a difference from killing him directly….apparently Aang is the opposite in where if he doesn’t see them die, in his mind he did not kill them…but he’s caught some bodies fosho
I mean that's because Kiyoshi doesn't give af. Sure, you could argue that using her powers caused the cliff that Chin was standing on to break, but at the same time, you could argue that had Chin not stayed in that spot, he would not have fallen to his death.
Some might argue that the Air Nomad might have taken a lot of lives in the past, like when the Fire Nation invaded their homes, but that was only in self defense. When Aang when in Avatar State and drowned the Fire Nation Soldiers, it was because they were attacking the Northern Water Tribe. Sometimes it’s necessary for a pacifist to take someone’s life only in self defense.
Okay but to be fair, in the Siege of the North episodes Aang VERY CLEARLY had no control over his actions. Also him deciding to uphold his, at this point, pretty much desceased culture in allowing Ozai to live is very in-character for him. And I will die on this hill, thank you 🙏🏻
From what I remember tho a lot of scenes in this series actually show the aftermath of each fight, and it’s true that typically all of his defeated enemies are shown alive. Wouldn’t say they’re in prime condition afterwards… but alive nonetheless….
A number of his opponents were 100% killed off screen. The desert dudes most definitely died from exposure after he wrecked their sand sloops. He also knocked people off high cliffs/bridges multiple times. Aang hasn't "taken a life" in the same way that Batman has never intentionally killed anyone. There was never any lethal blows, but the environment was always fair game.
@@georgesmith6218 Except they are in the middle of the desert and just lost a significant portion of their supplies along with the transportation. You can die from exposure in hours in the desert, especially when there is a shortage on water.
@@ShaggyRogers1 why did they lose supplies? just, like, pick them up. And they live in a desert, they know how to survive there, why would they die in hours? And I'm pretty sure it was evening.
@@georgesmith6218 Oh yes, the craft was smashed to pieces but the containers of supplies on said craft were totally intact. Evening doesn't mean much in the desert other than you go from blistering heat to freezing cold. The deadly part about deserts beyond lack of water is that there is nothing to trap and maintain any sort of temperature equilibrium. The sand just reflects the energy from the sun back up into the air and then the wind's air currents just push the hot air straight up after dusk. Nobody has an excess of supplies in the desert.
I like to believe that people from the avatar universe are physically stronger than us because they've had to adapt to fighting against the elements. Meaning, they aren't dead, just heavily injured.
Bro legit if you’re hit by a single rock or stone pillar thrown by an Earth Bender at the speeds shown in the show you are done. Do not pass go. Your face has more usage as a flower pot rather than housing whatever organs it originally contained.
With the exception of some of these which I think are just a cartoon's understanding of what is and is not fatal (like getting buried in snow), most of the textual violence - like the rampage at the north pole, or his destroying the sand ships, or hurting that one buzzard thing in the desert, are times where he's not thinking straight or explicitly not in control, and they haunted him afterwards. And even then, I think you could make a convincing case for a difference between "I've defended myself and in the process possibly killed someone" vs. "I am willing to set out with the explicit intention of killing someone" (the thing he has trouble with in the finale).
Aang, buddy, of all the named characters in the series, you have more kills than anyone except the teamwork of Sokka, Suki, and Toph when they crashed an entire airship fleet.
We literally see an entire airship full of people fall into the water and they're just fine, they just float up and don't give a crap. Everyone absolutely just jumped out while their ship was crashing or just swam up after it flooded. There's just not even a feint implication that any of these people are dead. This entire thing might be the biggest reach ever.
@@LieseFury In Nick shows they do. People survive so much dumb BS in Avatar that it's just not something you can assume people would be killed by. Remember when Zuko literally swam underwater and melted through the ice IN THE ARCTIC and he was just fine afterwards?! There's so many things that should have killed people that just didn't. Bumi piles up like 20 tanks after launching them 50 feet in the air and every single person driving them casually pokes their head out completely unharmed. Not a single concussion, nobody's even banged up, they're all just 100% fine, lol! Combustion Man sets a literal explosion off right next to himself barely a foot away and he survives it! Although to be fair, the one centered on HIMSELF seems like it actually did get the job done because his fake arm flies off super dramatically and we never see him again. Remember when Zuko casually blasted an Earthbender back with live fire basically point-blank and they weren't even singed? Unless it's part of the plot, this stuff just doesn't kill people because it's a kids show, it has to hold back for its intended audience.
The ocean spirit doesn't count since Aang wasn't truly in control. We see later that one of the reasons why he has trouble with tapping into the avatar state is his fear of losing that control and causing mass destruction.
@@JanFWeh I mean this is a world where Aang bashed Zuko's body into multiple iron walls and all it did was dazzle him. A world where being completely frozen just leaves you still with your eyes moving. A world where getting hit with a giant rock is akin to getting pushed. A world where being thrown around in a metal tank and tossed 100 meters in the air causes a groan. Let's not pretend that the consistency of what humans can survive in Avatar is exactly clear unless told. If you want to hold that against him then go ahead, but the writers clearly follow the cartoon rule that no one is dead unless told.
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 Aang was in the avatar state when he joined with the ocean spirit, you could argue he tapped into it to exact justice for the death of the moon spirit but that doesn't change the fact that he had no full control over his actions and were more than likely being pushed by the ocean spirit.
Y’know what is weird Aang has more confirmed kills than Zuko on screen in the show Zuko never killed or tried to maim anybody. Not even sokka, katara or aang. Zuko just wanted to CAPTURE Aang, not kill him. He spared zhao and azula in each agni kai. He did not have the guts to end his father either during the eclipse
@@tatarsauce6314 if they actually found her mother's killer in the army, she would have obliterated him, she only stopped because he was living a pathetic life.
Do you guys skim through shows? He couldn't kill Aang because of the avatar cycle. During the invasion, didn't he say, it's not his duty to kill him? Both Azula & Zuko endured the same abuse from their father. Why would he kill a general when he was exiled & the only thing he wanted was to go home? [LOL].
“It’s morally white to inflict horrific, inhumane levels of physical and psychological damage on another human being, but putting them out of their misery is unforgivable.”
He meant, *I never used it with intention to take a life.* Maybe he did, but in the Avatar state he wasn’t fully conscious and at other times the aim was to incapacitate them, not kill.
Yeah but isn't that in the Avatar Day episode? Like earlier in that episode it's established that kyoshi killed that one dude by making him fall off the cliff. So obviously it's not an insignificant fall, it's not a guaranteed death but it definitely has the potential to do so
Yeah but Aang definitely intended to kill him given the height and force of that blow. Or rather, he knew killing him was a viable consequence of his actions. It’s like if I stab you and you live, yeah I didn’t kill you, but it’s not like I didn’t know it was possible you might die. And I was ok with the possibility because I went through with stabbing you.
@@ssj4rit I disagree on the intent to kill. Did Bumi have the intent to kill Aang during their duel in episode 5? Because those boulders and falls would easily have killed Aang if the show followed real world physics. You can't treat kids show animated battles exactly as if they were in the real world.
@@user-cz9gf3si4g well the thing is an airbender can easily dodge the boulders and stuff. Bumi is insane too so his methods are wild, but he probably held back too when fighting Aang. If things got too dangerous he would’ve stopped and revealed himself (most likely, but once again, he’s crazy). For example, when he flung Aang into the spikes, say Aang didn’t react in time - I could totally see Bumi earthbending the spikes away so as to not kill his friend. A firebender in armor flung underwater, on the other hand…hard to think how he’ll survive even in a cartoon. But yes I understand cartoon logic applies so “if we don’t see him die onscreen we can assume he survives”. Avatar is better than most shows even if it’s a kids cartoon so I don’t really hold this against it, it’s just funny to think about lol
@@user-cz9gf3si4g Again though, earlier in the episode it was established that THAT EXACT CLIFF was the scene of a murder. Kyoshi admitted that yes, someone had died due to her actions (even if she wasn't the DIRECT cause). Aang airblasting someone off of a cliff that has already been known to kill people in universe is just silly.
It’s funny because Korra regularly threatens to/attempts to kill her enemies but has only actually killed one. Meanwhile 12-year old Aang walks around as if there aren’t dozens or hundreds of dead bodies or traumatized soldiers in his wake. 🤣
Breaking out of prison with Zuko, he knocked many non benders off very tall ladders that didn't seem to move after they were tornado blasted to the ground.
Aang: "I've certainly never used my powers to take a life!" Zhao: *_"are you sure about that?"_* Combustion Man: *_"are you sure about that?"_* Literally the thousands of fodder Aang mowed down: *_"are you sure about that?"_*
I think.... Aang never really internalized that those blows might have resulted in death for some of those people. They were all things that hit and/or push enemies away, and perhaps he tried to make all those blows non-lethal. He never saw bodies; thus, it's "Schrodinger's death". It might not have happened. So it's different for him to *deliberately plan a murder.* ...I do admit that it's a fine line he's walking there, lol
@@no1guy825 I think it was intended that Aang never PLANNED MURDER before, and the actual reality if he actually killed people by accident/in self-defense in the past is heavily hand-waved 😅
@@Blokewood3 he did but a fall into the ocean from any height can still be dangerous. And given that the crew is wearing armor realistically the guy in the gas mask should have been drowning.
I think people are missing the point that even if everyone lived, some of these attacks certainly were meant to kill, and Aang was fine with it half the time lol. Like what other potential consequence is there for slinging people from a 300 foot cliff or causing an avalanche to fall onto people? Aang knew what he was doing 😂
I think people kinda forget cartoon logic with this show, like yeah realistically that'd probably kill someone, but in the show they all pop up like it was nothing and it was basically a gag
@@jasonjones3328Yeah this is a show where people get hit in the chest with fireballs and just fall over. Like aang himself would have died so many times over in this show if it was realistic.
@@jasonjones3328This show does have it's cartoonish moments but it knows when to take things seriously. Ozai about to genocide all of the Earth Kingdom wasn't taken as a joke. That whole moment in the North Pole was definitely a serious moment. And we also never see General Zhao after that. They don't confirm it but I'm pretty sure he's gone along with all the others that got caught in that rampage.
aang, you literally where just half responsible for drowning 6 ships worth of people, at least "hey, hey, hey, they where just deep sea diving, it's not my fault they forgot to come up for air"
Aang was really on that batman type energy.
"I didn't kill them. I just gave them lifelong injuries that are worse than death"
In a early industrialized society.
Or just "Yeah he's dead but it was in the process of me defending myself so it's still their fault" type shit.
"I didn't kill them, they died a natural death"
"They had 147 broken bones and drowned in their own blood"
"It is only natural that you die without oxygen"
I mean not really worse than death in atla since it's not that kind of universe. With the context that this is a kids to teens show I don't think they are having anybody brutally crippled off screen by the main character. Stories exist in their own genre
Just becuase its a kid show doesn't mean bad shit can't happen. The whole thing with ba sing sei was literally brainwashing women to expand the dai lis influence over the earth kingdom.
You're telling me you think that sudden avalanche while the soldiers were retreating killed no one?
@@unlimon6382
I like to think avatar yangchen had like a RIDICULOUS kill count. And the whole time she's talking to aamg she is trying to be understanding and struggling not to tell him to just body all his enemies.
Not ridiculous, but she did use the vacuum room technique
She looks serial killey no?
Kyoshi: You think I'M bad, get a load of Yeng Chen. This b*tch used to pop her enemies lungs like balloons.
@@alejandrogiha7583being perpetually calm/detached from the universe is serial killer shit yeah
@@bthsr7113 she didn't use it to k*ll people though, just get them to pass out
"Murder doesnt count if Kyoshi was holding the controller"
- the monks, probably
“YOU MUZZLED APPA!?”
(KYOSHI LOCK IN!”
Cringe
Based
@@SkulsterDulsterTruly based.
@@michakoniecpolski5677shut up
Aang simply forgets that airbenders specifically are immune to fall damage, unlike literally everyone else 😂
Honestly? He probably does.
Non air benders ang knows from his childhood includes king boomy. From how rocky their slide rides are and the lack of any human accidents from it, he probably has no reason to believe fall damage exists.
The reason Zuko's redemption arc is so impressive is that he survived Aang long enough to have it.
this made me chortle
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Avatar: Zukos Survival
It either means that canonically everyone survived those events, or that aang means "I have never used my power to purposefully take a life. If they died while I used my powers, that's on them."
Of course they survived. How else could keep that PG rating? Look, Jet unclearly died from a boulder to his chest. Fine. So why didn't Zuko die from the same attack from Toph?
@@ShinobiPXO zuko wasn't hit on vital organs I guess makes sense since toph wasn't aiming for a kill there she just threw an attack in his direction while laung "whatever his name was" probably aimed his attack to be deadly
They didn’t do the forced “we’re okay!” Thing. They dead
It’s like Jotaro Kujo, “I beat the crap out of them. They will end up in hospital. But at least they ain’t dead”💀
@@RedTyrant Death, injury and general physics only matter when the writers want them to. Despite fighting Firebenders, we almost never see the characters get burned. It only happens in the Deserter to show off Kataras new healing powers
ATLA viewers: Did those guys just.. die?
Nickelodeon: Ya know, it was really unclear
I heard that in Sokka’s voice
That was gold
Avatar extras:
For the record: those people are dead
Haha 😂
@@triforceofcourage100😂😂😂💯
Even as a kid I was like "bro you've def killed people." Like does Aang realize people sometimes die when yeeted off cliffs or into freezing water.
honestly, maybe he doesn't. remember, he's an airbender and he grew up with airbenders. it possible that he's never been around people who aren't airbenders long enough to really understand things like "if someone gets thrown off a cliff they can't airbend to slow their fall" aang is 12, few 12 year olds fully understand how the world works, and its fully possible that aang hasn't really grasped the concept that people die if they fall from too high a drop or get too cold. because airbenders also could control the air temperature around themselves so they never got too cold or too hot and like waterbenders, could dry themselves off easily should they become wet.
kid survived both so maybe he was just like "skill issue"
@@abiean222 Until you remember he yeeted that one dude off the same Kiyoshi murder cliff the entire plot of the episode was centered around. And that he travelled the world before the war and knew all kinds of different benders. And that probably one of the first things a kid with wind superpowers would learn is "dont blast the poor fuckin non-benders off our giant sky temples"
@@DavidSonofDavid i'm pretty sure that non-benders didn't go to the air temples. but the thing is, we are making assumptions, and one of those assumptions is that people told aang that falling from a great height will kill you. i wonder if aang's non-airbender friends even considered that aang didn't know that. and again, aang grew up in the air temples surrounded by airbenders, because everyone in the air temples was an airbender. the thing about growing up with things is, you think its normal. many people have given testaments where they say that they thought that everyone did things a certain way, and it wasn't until they grew up and moved away from that environment that they learned that their upbringing wasn't universal.
if no one thought to tell aang that people die from falling from great heights because they assumed that the monks taught him that, and all aang knew was that people can survive getting thrown off of cliffs, why would he question that? yes he is out in the world, but he is still a kid - kids don't question reality like an adult does.
@abiean222 dude that's a pretty weak argument as you yourself are also making assumptions. First off Aang isn't an idiot and very aware that non-benders/other bending types have different limitations than his own. Had he not ever left the temple I could maybe see where you are coming from but he was pretty well traveled (well enough to understand physics are different for him) prior to the show. There is literally no way that even as a 12 year old he didn't know yeeting people off cliffs killed them as we've seen plenty of times in the show where he rescued falling people. Also explain how he isn't aware that dumping an avalanche of snow on people kills them too either by wait or suffocation. We've just scene so much evidence of Aangs familiarity with non-air benders for this to be something he is unaware of.
It's simply inconsistent writing brought on by the need to have a moral/pg ending for the show. As with the other situations while his actions most definitely resulted in deaths they were assumed and never exactly "on screen deaths" like Ozai's would need to have been.
Avatar Aang, I know you are a gentle spirit and the monks have taught you well….but we all know the truth and have evidence
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Like so much evidence
we kept the receipts
Warcrimes tribunal
Also have you ever heard of the great guru Laghima
"I never took a life. I *gave* it to the spirit world."
😭🤣 this is gold
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Paladin braincells in a nutshell.
Yall forgot him straight up destroying the ballon part of the warbaloons the firebendera used. That shit went into a straight drop. 100% fatality rate
Aang will say he just popped a balloon, didn't kill Anyone 😇
Fire benders can fly, or at least break their fall.
But firebenders during sozin's comet can fly lol
but the one at the invasion wasn’t comet boosted so those guys probably died
There were also those guys he shot down ladders at lightspeed in the Blue Spirit and the giant flaming boulder he hucked at a battleship in the Serpent's Pass.
Really these are most of Aang's less culpable murders. His body was possessed by the Koi and the avatar state.
Aang: they died a natural death
Sokka: you threw them off a cliff
Aang: gravity is natural
-at some point, probably
died from fall damage doesn't count as kill XD
Now I get why Aang laughs at Gravity.
@@user-wb9cd2pq7srandom hit the ground too hard.
@@Alexandar358💀
you buried them in 6 feet of snow!
aang: hypothermia is a natural cause of death
That's why the scene where Aang kills the buzzard wasp in the desert is so important, because it's the first time Aang *CONSCIOUSLY* takes a life (not in avatar state) and even more important because it was completely unnecessary. Momo was already free, but he still went back in an act of rage and killed it just because he was so triggered by the potential of losing Momo - his last physical connection to his culture since Appa was already stolen at this point. It's such a great moment of character development for Aang and gives him levels. That was Aang at literal rock bottom.
But he didn't kill it, he just blew it away.
@@Leticiapais_ it was halved
@@maximilianthiel8485Oh, I thought the was was the last one, sorry!
Such a deep meaning in such a simple scene
@@maximilianthiel8485 that comment is hilarious 😂 "it was halved" lol
Aang didn’t kill them, he just guided them in the right direction. Truly the Avatar of all time.
Yeah, go to the to the right direction in the afterlife😀
@@Danny-us6ut Well... he is the bridge between the spirit world and the physical world for a reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the right direction being down, about 500 metres
"The only good Fire Nation soldier is a dead Fire Nation soldier... So, let's make them all good!"
-Aang, the Avatar
The direction being death
😅
Kids shows be like:
"Yes i attacked my enemies with the full extends of my superhuman powers, but really it was just more like a strong push. Of course they survived that."
I believe that Aang's denial is a coping mechanism. He was supposed to be the Avatar first and an Airbender second but he wasn't mature enough to understand the weight of his Avatarhood when he was told and so acted rashly and never really got to adjust.
The first season alone is mostly about him taking long detours on his journey as a means of avoiding going north where his freedom as a nomad would end and he'd have to fully commit to his waterbending lessons.
good point
Meh it’s also because they couldn’t travel straight to the north pole cause they needed food and other supplies while traveling. Obviously it’s not mentioned but I imagine that Bumi for example gave them money and supplies to help them go north. It took like a month to reach the north pole or whatever.
It’s pretty confusing and not pointed out but they kinda traveled all over the world throughout the series I guess
great analysis
That is an interesting way to interpret the story, but if that were the case, I think that the narrative would, or at least it certainly should, address it. That it doesn't makes me think that it's the writers being unwilling (or unable, as it's theoretically a show for children) to endorse lethal violence as a means to solving conflict. Even explicitly genocidal conflict.
I’ve watched the show 6 times and never thought about that! That actually makes sense.
"They're not dead. They're just sleeping. After people fight me, they get tired."
I heard this in his voice 😂😂😂
Doctor fishy, NOOOO!
From the skills that he learned in the mountains
I overfed these men???
...this is a gun?
“Did they die? Then show me their corpse.”
-Aang probably
"you know it was really unclear"
-Sokka
"grab a shovel"
"What is this?"
"GRAB A SHOVEL"
...
"Click"
"What was that?!"
Tell that to Admiral Zhao
Corpse? What corpse? This is a video came there is no corpse! I rest my case!
This sounds like something Kyoshi would say. 😂
i love how literally 5 minutes prior to him throwing the guy off of the cliff in avatar day it had been shown that falling off of THAT SPECIFIC CLIFF kills people
They should have rewritten that to say that he's never executed anyone.
His goal was not to kill but to defend, but people died as a result. People dying was not the intention. Fire Lord ozai was the only one he was supposed to fight with the goal of executing him.
Precisely. That would have made things much more beliavable. He never fought with the intention to kill (except that wasp.... so much for "all life is sacred" lol But I can forgive him, we all do things we regret because of rage), and changing that mindset consiously would be really stressfull AND go aganist his beliefs.
That buzzardwasp was actively fleeing
@@mememan1546
Yeah, but you forget. Aang was:
-starving
-dehydrated
-overheated
-recently suffered a huge loss
-still is reeling from a fight
If you can look me in the eye and say that under all those circumstances that such an action is not an understandable rage response then you are either a spiritual Master or you never were in a situation that pushed you that far.
Not saying what Aang did was justified btw. I think that was the point.
@@mememan1546the buzzard wasp survived
I feel that since he was 12 he wouldn't have used that word without having to be reminded it exists
Nonono, you all misunderstood
Aang didn't use his bending to kill people like the firenation etc does.
He just bend his elements in the general direction of his enemies and they just happen to be in the way. Dying at that point is their own fault for sure.
Yeah, the sandbenders wisely got out the way. Those firebenders should have dodged the snow
Yeah it's definitely a skill issue on their part
But of course, fire actually hurts their targets. While Aang’s preferred element - wind - simply… nudges them gently in a different direction! And if they happen to stand next to a cliff? That’s their problem, they should learn how to position themselves better, honestly Aang was the real victim there.
@@Szystedt honestly they should have just used a hangglider and used the wind to fly away to a safe place where they wouldn't be in Aang's way
Got that Zack Snyder manner of dealing with homicides
Aang: “….Would you believe that wasn’t me but Kyoshi who did all of that?”
Kyoshi: “He is half right”
Roku: “It’s not always about you”
Kyoshi: "You want to share the blame then?"
Kyoshi and Aang: Which one of us?
its funny that kyoshi gets all the flag for murder when yangchen was the actual one telling to finish the firelord directly
That time, Aang was on trial for something Kyoshi did. She came, admitted to it, then left Aang to it 😂😂😂
@@laisphinto6372 Yangchen: Fine, I’ll take the blame too! Everyone happy?
"... and I've certainly never been convicted of taking a life"
Zuko: Did those guys just... Die?
Sokka: You, know it was really unclear
Aang: It wasn't me. It was Kyoshi.
Fr😂
Aang: It wasn't me. It was the Ocean Spirit
Ozai didn't send you? No Ozai?
Personally I don’t see the difference lol
@@rhysgrealish5227 Umm. That was the joke.
Sokka probably has the highest kill count after what he did on the airships in the final episodes
Some are Tophs from jamming the fin in turning position, but still a lot
Not to mention that Sokka did technically kill Sparky Sparky Boom Man
@@MrSaxophonist23 yea but sokka was the leader, kinda like how hitler was responsible for millions of deaths despite not doing it himself
@@Neoansho I FORGOT ABOUT HIM
@ASalishFalcon Who, Sokka or Sparky Sparky Boom Man?
Aang taking out the buzzard wasp is one of the most brutal examples imo, it was purely out of revenge, he'd already gotten Momo back any further action at that point was just vindictive.
Bro DECAPITATED it too
Exactly. The rest can be argued, but that instance is irrefutable evidence that Aang has killed
I think he was referring to human life when he said that. So if animals mess with him or his friends, it’s open season.
@@shriharihudli I disagree because when Aang talks to avatar Yangchen he says he was taught that "All life is sacred, even the life of the tiniest spiderfly caught in its own web." He 100% means he's never taken any life at all, because ALL of it is sacred and he's not going to split hairs over human and non-human, he's even a vegetarian because of his belief in this.
@@gregthepeglegpregdregprecisely. That was a big writing mistake in the original and the only thing we can do at this point and headcanon that Aang had a crisis of faith and his mental health was in a breaking point by then, or that he's an hypocrite lol
This is giving the same energy of the bullies in our school. "I never bully her, we were just having fun"
As a kid, its easy to not understand that Aang destroying the Sand Benders transport is a literal death sentence lol
And a very agonizing death at that.
Eh, they had other transports there. They can probably also like sand-skate to move faster, or tunnel underground to avoid the heat
Yeah sand-skating sounds right. Like how Toph would Earth-skate later on in the show@@lucasrobin2788
Is not, it was one of many, he didn't destroyed every sand ship
ey what is this titanic? they can fit on the other sailers
I too have never used violence to end a life.
Every life I have ended was done with an absolute joyous passion.
violence isnt an emotion, it is a means.
@@stefankatsarov5806 I’ll do it nicely then
@@jefferyandbob3137 why is that more threatening?
well u know what they say...can't spell manslaughter without laughter
This is where my mind went...
" They're not dead , they're just fatally injured and incapable of moving ever again." kind of vibe
remember when aang threw those firebenders into the ocean, despite them saying ‘i can’t swim’ wearing heavy armour
Those were the earth benders since they were thrown with coal and he was still not an earthbender so he is innocent
Honestly, Aang saying this gives off the same energy as- “he died of natural causes”
“You pushed him off a roof”
“Gravity’s natural”
Sokka: "Aang, what did you have to do that for?"
Aang: "The natural direction for everyone to fall is down."
Sokka: "Yeah but you didn't have to push him OFF THE CLIFF."
Aang: "That wasn't me, it was the wind."
Sokka: "😲"
Katara: Aang, why did you down that person!?
Aang: I didn't drown that person. They just simply fell into the water.
@@Neoanshothey just forgot how to breathe
"He died of lead poisoning"
"Aang where did you get a glock"
His connection to the spirit realm might also qualify him as "natural causes"
Aang gets a pass for the bodies littering the Northern Water Tribe and the sea bed out front since not only was he not in control of the avatar state, but was being directed by the Ocean Spirit.
The writers may not have been thinking about the avalancheS at the Northern Air temple, but that would indeed have a high probability of killing people under realistic physics.
Most writers treat getting thrown into the water as fine, but that was possibly high enough to hurt, and he was wearing armor that would pull him down.
The sand skimmer was not occupied when it was smashed, though that did seem to be intent to cause at least medium bodily harm.
Aang did straight up kill that buzzard wasp, which wouldn't be a big deal if he didn't make a big deal about sanctity of all life.
That last bug was just disoriented and relocated.
On that one sure you could argue that he's just a conduit. However, it should be noted that he willingly merged with the Ocean Spirit and therefore is responsible for giving it a way to act out.
It's like giving an obviously angry and hurt person a weapon and when they hurt or kill someone you claim to be innocent? If he really believed that he didn't have any hand in that then I'm going to respectfully call him stupid.
@@kylepessell1350 hell, are we gonna need to hire a spirit lawyer for this stuff?
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 Given the events of Korra, this could actually be a thing now
@@emberdragon4248 Tonight on CSI: Spirit Realm
The beloved Fire Lord Izumi's priceless family heirloom, the Royal Phoenix Diadem, has been stolen from the Fire Nation Embassy under mysterious circumstances.
Nah look closer and you'll see the buzzard wasp was fine
This is like in the GI Joe where they shoot down a helicopter and everyone has a
parachute
lol!
That one GI Joe Robot Chicken sketch where they go over the wall of heroes and literally no one has ever died to be put on the wall, lol
I think what he MEANS is, he never used his bending with the INTENTION of killing a person.
In his defense, Katara not only survives a direct hit from a cannon ball-sized boulder at high speed but she only complains about it, which makes me think people are especially resilient in this world.
We are operating on cartoon physics here
When did this happen again?
I genuinely don't remember
@@Superbouncybubble
Apparently that applies to everyone but to Jet
@@AgentKyo ...Too soon?
It was really unclear!
You missed the scene where toph threw a bunch of earth kingdom guards into a moat, and Aang iced it over before they all had time to surface. He definitely drowned several people
Was it aang?
If you’re talking about the scene i’m thinking of, it was pretty clearly katara that froze the water
@@tacticallemon7518 I was wrong and so were you. I rewatched the scene. The Gaang had just protected themselves from the statues thrown at them from the other side of the moat. Katara rips into action, and uses water bending to get to the other side of the moat. She then throws the guards into the water.
The rest of the Gaang make their way to her. As they do, Aang flies over the moat, and very clearly sends an air gust down into the moat, with the moat freezing on impact
and there are guards shown beneath the surface?@@michael9433
The water killed them, not Aang.
@@NoNameBoi9987 then the fire nation didn't kill Katara's mom. Not even Yon Rha killed Katara's mom. It was all just fire, and Katara shouldn't hate the fire nation or Yon Rha, just fire in general.
People are forgetting as well all the war balloons he and katara downs, we saw no sign parachute exist until korra and most firebenders can't do the thruster move, they definitely all fell to their deaths
His moral high ground was nauseating
Honestly, in this video context , yes 😂
I love how Aang throws a guy off a cliff after it is pre-established that falling off that specific cliff kills people.
He survived....
@@The5armdamput33 do you think anyone cares, just let the jokes happen
@@larryrottenberk7771
The joke isn't funny if the guy just comes back a few episodes later....
Clearly the cliff doesn't just magically kill you if that guy survived...
@@The5armdamput33 does anyone care though, do you really care? Can't people just have a laugh.
@@larryrottenberk7771
I would think that if someone was making videos about it or making comments supporting the points in the video that they would care....
People can have a laugh if they want, but that's not something I care about...
Your comment, for example, I would find it funny if it was true, but since Kachi survived, the joke didn't land...
Like most of the video, it's invalid, so I don't think it's funny...
Aang : the monks told me that all life is sacred
Also monk Giyatso(Aang beloved mentor) at his last moment : *This is what we called a pro gamer move*
"All life is sacred."
"I don't care."
"OK then let me demonstrate why you should've."
Gyatso did a Zaheer move long before Zaheer did it
I think this is the difference between Ideals & Reality. This wasn't just his own life, this was him trying to stop the Genocide of his people.
@@TheAyanamiRei which is what Yang Chen was trying to tell him there. Sometimes there is just a greater purpose at hand that means you can't sit back and turn from a pacifist into a coward
Monk gyatso: some life is more sacred than others.
Aang: I didn't kill those sandbenders, dehydration did.
This is one of those series where being recommended one short clip/compilation like this has me itching to rewatch the whole thing again
Aang: They died of natural causes.
Us: You have knocked so many people off of high places, it's not even funny!
Aang: gravity is natural.
Bonus joke:
Also Aang: * laughs in the face of gravity *
"Naturally one dies when they hit the ground at such a high speed."
Them: You threw a guy off a cliff that was established to be a fatal fall mere minutes prior!
Aang: So naturally they'd be dead
Aang: "I laugh at gravity all the time".
*gravity killing people he knocks off from cliffs*
Aang: "Not fun, gravity!"
“They didn’t die from my knife. They died from blood loss!”
LMAOO
it gives massive “it’s okay to grievously injure mooks and minions but I draw the line at the Big Bad” energy
The Last of Us 2
Batman side-eying this comment
TBF I think some of that was, he wasn't in control of himself in the Avatar State and also that he didn't really knowingly and purposefully kill anyone. He was possessed in the Water Kingdom for instance. Though pretty sure at least SOME of those people would have died from Aang's attacks.
@@TheAyanamiRei There's an extreme likelihood that aang left a bodycount after causing the avalanche
Luke Skywalker type beat
I find it funny how he says it in a way that makes it seem like he has taken a life without using violence.
Imagine being the relatives of the many fire soldiers Aang killed, reacting to him not killing their fricking dictator.
Lol
Aang doesn’t kill people. He just sends them to the Shadow Realm.
What is even worse.
At least we can agree on one thing the shadow realm makes everything better I wonder how strong zork would be now with all the souls in the shadow realm thanks aang
@shreyashvaidyakaiju971 I mean at least in the case of Zhao that is true
Aang is probably that one guy who believes people do not die when they are killed.
"Just because you're correct, doesn't mean you're right."
Allah said Life after death is true, I want to follow My Creator. If you are referring to believing Life after death, resurrection at the Day of Judgment, write my name too. I will live again after my death and you know what, you shall too.
Happy freedom and choices.
Emiya Shirou wants to know your location
But do they? Do they really ?
Fate's two single greatest contributions to the internet will always be making straight men want to bone King Arthur and that quote.
I’m really glad I wasn’t the only one to have this thought while this was going on.
He never used violence to take a life. He sure used powers tho.
I always interpreted as he only killed out of self-defense and that he never went with the straight-up intention of killing someone
I feel like taking down an invading tyrant can count as self defense. Like, Ozai started the fight. Aang is just giving an opportunity for one of them to finish it.
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𝑪𝒐𝒖𝒈𝒉 𝒃𝒖𝒛𝒛𝒂𝒓𝒅 𝒘𝒂𝒔𝒑 𝒄𝒐𝒖𝒈𝒉.
🥴🥴🥴
Ah yeah, the Kazuma Kiryu route. All according to keikaku.
@@One_Last_Time It’s a wasp so..
I feel like he's so innocent that he's unaware of his own strength, and just how little it takes to kill something, at least in most cases. Even breaking the siege of the North Pole he probably thought, "I mean it's chilly, but it is just water. Plus fire benders! Yeah, they can swim and keep themselves warm!"
I think of that more as a blackout moment or repression of the memory. If nothing else, I feel like it would count as him killing as much as being picked up and used as a hammer would.
The only firebender the gaang held some sort of coversation with at that point was Zuko. They saw him survive a swim in freezing waters with the only explanation given that he was a firebender, not knowing this was something most firebenders cannot do. That probably did not help Aang be less agressive with the rest either.
During the siege he likely weren’t even aware, period. He were in the avatar state, and in part possessed by the ocean spirit I believe which was angry for for Zhao did to the moon spirit. In turn the death and destruction and reason it took that form was as it were the ocean spirit using him as a vessel to attack, not him directly, so he didn’t necessarily kill anyone technically speaking, he was just the gun that was fired off by the spirit.
Sounds like Lennie of Mice and Men.
Yeah, unironically I can believe that he's so out of touch to not even think that most of the people sieging the north pole are just cogs in the machine, not capable of bending at all. On the other hand, he is not even conscious when he killed them, so we'll never really know what he thought before.
The second dude just stood there 😭
One moment that always stood out to me is when the Blue Spirit breaks him out of that fortress. Aang destroys a ladder that several soldiers were at the top of and they got shot down like two stories at super speed. It's so bizarrely violent for him.
Murder aside, I do think that making Ozai live in a world where he’s now helpless and unimportant, failed at all his goals, and has to watch the fire nation he thought he lead so well become a better place without him (under the leadership of the son he thought of as worthless) is the perfect punishment. Let the guy see the world heal. Let him see that he meant nothing. Let him watch as the world moves on from his era of tyranny and pain and becomes better and stronger than he could’ve ever made it. Let him suffer with the knowledge that nothing that he wanted would come to fruition
or let him be COMPLETELY stubborn until his very last day of life, thinking and believing that someday the world will crumble because it wasn't structured the way he wanted it
A wise man once said : "we must abolish death penalty so that criminals can die slower"
@@raisasomaraki3870 Ozai: “any day now!! ……. Any day now. …. Any.. day… now…..”
Counter point: In reality, you’re just boring him to death while wasting resources (time, money, food, human capital, space, etc.) on him you wouldn’t have to if Aang just melted his head off his shoulders or blew his brains out. Who cares if he feels bad? Who cares if he changes? Doesn’t matter anyway-so just bend his blood out and be done with it.
@@bekkfxst I mean they also could just legally execute him. Aang is a child, if he doesn’t wanna murder a guy he shouldn’t have to. Just shove Ozai in a guillotine and have the regularly hired executioner do what he’s paid for.
I like to imagine Toph and Sokka were fully aware they were killing people and took them all a few years to understand they are Not on the same page
lmao probably
"How do I just take the Firelords life?"
Sokka: Space-Sword go swooosh-slooosh
Oh definitely, especially Sokka
@@Sly-Moose
Sokka, Suki and Zuko: raised in war and to be warriors, killing happens
Aang: every life is sacred
Katara: doesnt kill but showed she was down to it if needed be when she found her mom's murderer
Toph: enjoys it
@@Carols989 Literally! 😂 Like I'm pretty sure Zuko has killed people before the 1st episode XD
For anyone still holding out hope that literally all of these people survive: what really matters is whether he could have killed someone. His whole goal is to never take a life, and so doing something that puts someone in a position where they could reasonably die is against that rule. And even for the ones in the Avatar state when Aang didn’t have full control, he would still need to address that his lack of control got people killed, and that blood is still on his hands whether he meant to do it or not.
he also decapitated that wasp, it ain't living anymore, and aang says he values all life
The internet has ruined me, i saw the title, IMMEDIATELY knew where this was going, giggled, then lost my shit the moment the music started despite knowing what was gonna happen.
So glad we all think alike on this scene looking back on it lmfao
i love that part cause kioshi was like "fold them like laundry while it's still being worn" 🤣🤣
Jiu Jitsu
The gentle art of folding clothes while people are still in them
Involuntary yoga
Kyoshi > What a time to use some new tricks, let's see...
@@davidbaigorria5847Involuntary Yoga?! Bloody hell, chief, you owe me a fresh can of coke! Spat some of that out when I read that.
This got me more than any other comment I've read under this vid, and I've been scrolling for a minute.
Anyone remember when Aang had that chat with Kiyoshi and he pointed out Chen the Conqueror killed himself because he didn’t move from the spot he was standing? Again….because “he didn’t move” but Kiyoshi herself said she personally didn’t see a difference from killing him directly….apparently Aang is the opposite in where if he doesn’t see them die, in his mind he did not kill them…but he’s caught some bodies fosho
That explains how he never killed anyone
He never looked for the bodies
@@nicolas._.2294 like they say eyes that not see heard that not feel
“I didn’t kill them, they just died when they didn’t move out of the way of my attacks”
I mean that's because Kiyoshi doesn't give af. Sure, you could argue that using her powers caused the cliff that Chin was standing on to break, but at the same time, you could argue that had Chin not stayed in that spot, he would not have fallen to his death.
@@adamm6290funniest comment ever 🤣🤣
Some might argue that the Air Nomad might have taken a lot of lives in the past, like when the Fire Nation invaded their homes, but that was only in self defense. When Aang when in Avatar State and drowned the Fire Nation Soldiers, it was because they were attacking the Northern Water Tribe. Sometimes it’s necessary for a pacifist to take someone’s life only in self defense.
Okay but to be fair, in the Siege of the North episodes Aang VERY CLEARLY had no control over his actions. Also him deciding to uphold his, at this point, pretty much desceased culture in allowing Ozai to live is very in-character for him. And I will die on this hill, thank you 🙏🏻
From what I remember tho a lot of scenes in this series actually show the aftermath of each fight, and it’s true that typically all of his defeated enemies are shown alive. Wouldn’t say they’re in prime condition afterwards… but alive nonetheless….
A number of his opponents were 100% killed off screen. The desert dudes most definitely died from exposure after he wrecked their sand sloops. He also knocked people off high cliffs/bridges multiple times. Aang hasn't "taken a life" in the same way that Batman has never intentionally killed anyone. There was never any lethal blows, but the environment was always fair game.
@@ShaggyRogers1 they still had 2 or 3 left. At worst they had to make 2 trips, at best it just got a little crowded on their way back.
@@georgesmith6218 Except they are in the middle of the desert and just lost a significant portion of their supplies along with the transportation. You can die from exposure in hours in the desert, especially when there is a shortage on water.
@@ShaggyRogers1 why did they lose supplies? just, like, pick them up.
And they live in a desert, they know how to survive there, why would they die in hours?
And I'm pretty sure it was evening.
@@georgesmith6218 Oh yes, the craft was smashed to pieces but the containers of supplies on said craft were totally intact. Evening doesn't mean much in the desert other than you go from blistering heat to freezing cold. The deadly part about deserts beyond lack of water is that there is nothing to trap and maintain any sort of temperature equilibrium. The sand just reflects the energy from the sun back up into the air and then the wind's air currents just push the hot air straight up after dusk. Nobody has an excess of supplies in the desert.
I like to believe that people from the avatar universe are physically stronger than us because they've had to adapt to fighting against the elements. Meaning, they aren't dead, just heavily injured.
Fiscally or physically?
@@revenant7005 both
@@nicoruppert4207honestly though 😪
Bro legit if you’re hit by a single rock or stone pillar thrown by an Earth Bender at the speeds shown in the show you are done. Do not pass go. Your face has more usage as a flower pot rather than housing whatever organs it originally contained.
@@nicoruppert4207 😂😂
With the exception of some of these which I think are just a cartoon's understanding of what is and is not fatal (like getting buried in snow), most of the textual violence - like the rampage at the north pole, or his destroying the sand ships, or hurting that one buzzard thing in the desert, are times where he's not thinking straight or explicitly not in control, and they haunted him afterwards. And even then, I think you could make a convincing case for a difference between "I've defended myself and in the process possibly killed someone" vs. "I am willing to set out with the explicit intention of killing someone" (the thing he has trouble with in the finale).
Heh, truth and reason? Fuck that. We'd rather just make shit up and laugh about it!
In Aang his defense for the water spirit one he wasn't in control
He's on his own for everything else
Aang, buddy, of all the named characters in the series, you have more kills than anyone except the teamwork of Sokka, Suki, and Toph when they crashed an entire airship fleet.
Aang also took down the flagship. That whole crew is dead and he spares the worst dude ever. Out of sight out of mind I guess lol.
We literally see an entire airship full of people fall into the water and they're just fine, they just float up and don't give a crap. Everyone absolutely just jumped out while their ship was crashing or just swam up after it flooded. There's just not even a feint implication that any of these people are dead.
This entire thing might be the biggest reach ever.
@@dracocrusher *faint
And if you're talking about the flagship, pretty sure that crashed into the ground and was on fire.
@@dracocrusherflying machines crashing into water famously have a 100% survival rate
@@LieseFury In Nick shows they do. People survive so much dumb BS in Avatar that it's just not something you can assume people would be killed by.
Remember when Zuko literally swam underwater and melted through the ice IN THE ARCTIC and he was just fine afterwards?! There's so many things that should have killed people that just didn't.
Bumi piles up like 20 tanks after launching them 50 feet in the air and every single person driving them casually pokes their head out completely unharmed. Not a single concussion, nobody's even banged up, they're all just 100% fine, lol!
Combustion Man sets a literal explosion off right next to himself barely a foot away and he survives it! Although to be fair, the one centered on HIMSELF seems like it actually did get the job done because his fake arm flies off super dramatically and we never see him again.
Remember when Zuko casually blasted an Earthbender back with live fire basically point-blank and they weren't even singed?
Unless it's part of the plot, this stuff just doesn't kill people because it's a kids show, it has to hold back for its intended audience.
The ocean spirit doesn't count since Aang wasn't truly in control. We see later that one of the reasons why he has trouble with tapping into the avatar state is his fear of losing that control and causing mass destruction.
Anything about the Fire nation warriors who were buried under that avalanche and thrown down a mountain side?
@@JanFWeh I mean this is a world where Aang bashed Zuko's body into multiple iron walls and all it did was dazzle him. A world where being completely frozen just leaves you still with your eyes moving. A world where getting hit with a giant rock is akin to getting pushed. A world where being thrown around in a metal tank and tossed 100 meters in the air causes a groan.
Let's not pretend that the consistency of what humans can survive in Avatar is exactly clear unless told. If you want to hold that against him then go ahead, but the writers clearly follow the cartoon rule that no one is dead unless told.
@@MrPoopenFarten that actually a good argument
It should, Aang literally enabled the ocean spirit to exact it’s revenge.
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 Aang was in the avatar state when he joined with the ocean spirit, you could argue he tapped into it to exact justice for the death of the moon spirit but that doesn't change the fact that he had no full control over his actions and were more than likely being pushed by the ocean spirit.
Team Avatar probably killed more people on a tuesday than team Korra ever did in the entire series
They were fighting in a war
That's because Korra is just a fanfic and not actually canon.
Just recently rewatched this whole series after years and honestly this was waay ahead of its time
Y’know what is weird
Aang has more confirmed kills than Zuko on screen in the show
Zuko never killed or tried to maim anybody. Not even sokka, katara or aang. Zuko just wanted to CAPTURE Aang, not kill him.
He spared zhao and azula in each agni kai. He did not have the guts to end his father either during the eclipse
And Katara for sure woulda packed Zuko up. She said so herself
@@tatarsauce6314 if they actually found her mother's killer in the army, she would have obliterated him, she only stopped because he was living a pathetic life.
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Do you guys skim through shows? He couldn't kill Aang because of the avatar cycle. During the invasion, didn't he say, it's not his duty to kill him? Both Azula & Zuko endured the same abuse from their father. Why would he kill a general when he was exiled & the only thing he wanted was to go home? [LOL].
@@archaicrapture wrong thread
Aang and Batman: never take a life.
The physically broken foes later: please just end us 😂
this had me rolling😂
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“It’s morally white to inflict horrific, inhumane levels of physical and psychological damage on another human being, but putting them out of their misery is unforgivable.”
"Being able to communicate through blinking means they're still alive."
He meant, *I never used it with intention to take a life.* Maybe he did, but in the Avatar state he wasn’t fully conscious and at other times the aim was to incapacitate them, not kill.
Azula only “killed” Aang-and he didn’t even stay dead. 😅
The guy Aang throws over the cliff at 0:11 100% survives. You can see him with the other Rough Rhinos in The Desert when they attack Iroh and Zuko.
Yeah but isn't that in the Avatar Day episode? Like earlier in that episode it's established that kyoshi killed that one dude by making him fall off the cliff. So obviously it's not an insignificant fall, it's not a guaranteed death but it definitely has the potential to do so
Yeah but Aang definitely intended to kill him given the height and force of that blow. Or rather, he knew killing him was a viable consequence of his actions.
It’s like if I stab you and you live, yeah I didn’t kill you, but it’s not like I didn’t know it was possible you might die. And I was ok with the possibility because I went through with stabbing you.
@@ssj4rit I disagree on the intent to kill. Did Bumi have the intent to kill Aang during their duel in episode 5? Because those boulders and falls would easily have killed Aang if the show followed real world physics. You can't treat kids show animated battles exactly as if they were in the real world.
@@user-cz9gf3si4g well the thing is an airbender can easily dodge the boulders and stuff. Bumi is insane too so his methods are wild, but he probably held back too when fighting Aang.
If things got too dangerous he would’ve stopped and revealed himself (most likely, but once again, he’s crazy). For example, when he flung Aang into the spikes, say Aang didn’t react in time - I could totally see Bumi earthbending the spikes away so as to not kill his friend.
A firebender in armor flung underwater, on the other hand…hard to think how he’ll survive even in a cartoon. But yes I understand cartoon logic applies so “if we don’t see him die onscreen we can assume he survives”.
Avatar is better than most shows even if it’s a kids cartoon so I don’t really hold this against it, it’s just funny to think about lol
@@user-cz9gf3si4g Again though, earlier in the episode it was established that THAT EXACT CLIFF was the scene of a murder. Kyoshi admitted that yes, someone had died due to her actions (even if she wasn't the DIRECT cause).
Aang airblasting someone off of a cliff that has already been known to kill people in universe is just silly.
It’s funny because Korra regularly threatens to/attempts to kill her enemies but has only actually killed one.
Meanwhile 12-year old Aang walks around as if there aren’t dozens or hundreds of dead bodies or traumatized soldiers in his wake. 🤣
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The perks of being a naive child lol
Aang is just a natural at what he does, it barely registers
Breaking out of prison with Zuko, he knocked many non benders off very tall ladders that didn't seem to move after they were tornado blasted to the ground.
Aang: "I've certainly never used my powers to take a life!"
Zhao: *_"are you sure about that?"_*
Combustion Man: *_"are you sure about that?"_*
Literally the thousands of fodder Aang mowed down: *_"are you sure about that?"_*
In Zhao's case, technically that was the spirit, since Aang was already released when that happened
And combustion man was sokka/his own hubris
I think.... Aang never really internalized that those blows might have resulted in death for some of those people. They were all things that hit and/or push enemies away, and perhaps he tried to make all those blows non-lethal. He never saw bodies; thus, it's "Schrodinger's death". It might not have happened. So it's different for him to *deliberately plan a murder.*
...I do admit that it's a fine line he's walking there, lol
That makes a lot of sense, although I wish they said it out loud in the last episodes...
do you believe the writers intended this? That Aang has Schrodinger's death as part of his psychology
@@no1guy825 I think it was intended that Aang never PLANNED MURDER before, and the actual reality if he actually killed people by accident/in self-defense in the past is heavily hand-waved 😅
"Schrodinger's death" 🤣
“Not my fault they are so weak they die by a little push”
We just gonna ignore when Aang blasted half a dozen fire benders down a 50 ft ladder full force when Zuko was capturing him from prison.
For real... like not only was it a possibly lethal distance to fall in the first place, he straight up blasted those guys down
That’s cartoon logic I mean didn’t sokka drop like 100 soldiers from an airship, yet none of them died.
@@arrowheadstudio To give Sokka credit, he specifically brought the airship close to the water so that the fall wouldn't be fatal for them.
@@Blokewood3 he did but a fall into the ocean from any height can still be dangerous. And given that the crew is wearing armor realistically the guy in the gas mask should have been drowning.
Probably. But they weren't too far from shore at that point, so maybe they landed near a sandbar or something.
*“Is Aang a pacifist?”*
_”Yes, but no.”_
Aang literally cut a buzzard’s head off after he went postal from Appa being kidnapped.
He doesn't take life. He shepherds it to the next plane of existence.
What he said is true, he never used his bending to take a life..
He use them to take lives
"I've never killed a single person with my bending. It's always been at least two or more."
"One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" -- Aang
Aang really went batshit on those guys who stole Appa
The fly one was hilarious cuz there’s an actual fly 😂
I think people are missing the point that even if everyone lived, some of these attacks certainly were meant to kill, and Aang was fine with it half the time lol.
Like what other potential consequence is there for slinging people from a 300 foot cliff or causing an avalanche to fall onto people? Aang knew what he was doing 😂
I think people kinda forget cartoon logic with this show, like yeah realistically that'd probably kill someone, but in the show they all pop up like it was nothing and it was basically a gag
@@jasonjones3328Yeah this is a show where people get hit in the chest with fireballs and just fall over. Like aang himself would have died so many times over in this show if it was realistic.
I guess humans in this show are just way stronger
@@jasonjones3328This show does have it's cartoonish moments but it knows when to take things seriously. Ozai about to genocide all of the Earth Kingdom wasn't taken as a joke.
That whole moment in the North Pole was definitely a serious moment. And we also never see General Zhao after that. They don't confirm it but I'm pretty sure he's gone along with all the others that got caught in that rampage.
@@megablueflash1816 we see Zhao again in LoK in the spirit world mist, but point taken.
Aang: I've certainly never used violence to take a life.
Kyoshi: I've certainly never used peace to spare a life.
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I love how Aang was so pissed that even after he saved Momo he still killed the 'Buzz'ard anyways.
In Aangs defense, the north pole was the ocean spirit koi, and the ocean is world renowned for owning fools into Davy Jones locker.
this carries the same energy as "Kiryu Kazuma never killed anyone"
I was thinking the same thing. XD
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Kiryu didn't kill anyone the same way batman did, they came out of it alive but with permanent brain injury
it's just rubber water
If you don't watch them die by your hands it doesn't count 😂 Aang is like a mobster boss, ordering the killings but technically never kills anyone
aang, you literally where just half responsible for drowning 6 ships worth of people, at least
"hey, hey, hey, they where just deep sea diving, it's not my fault they forgot to come up for air"
@@comsky4251 Lawyer said they died from natural causes
Aang is like Charles Manson.
'Hey man...I had nothing to do with those deaths,that was my associates!!'
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hmmm yeah. but when ozai does exactly the same he is considered a bad person
that's what i was thinking when i heard him say that but i gaslighted myself into thinking i remembered it wrong
Okay, the ocean spirit gets credit for its own kills, but all those others were straight up Aang
The sand benders clip was important because Katara stopped him, but he was fully ready to do it lol
He didn't take a life... he gave those lives to the spirit world.
Such a charitable rigure. 😅
He didn’t take a life he just sent them to the spirit realm
*PERMANENTLY*
Nah the fall killed em. They Drowned, and the sun n sand aint on me - Aang