I work in the UK Electricity transmission industry and this is a great idea. It solves so many issues in one compact unit. We need solutions like this available to quickly boost the EV infrastructure.
@@bcbcfilm portable in the sense that you don't need to dig shit up in the ground and install this. If you don't need to dig those stuff you have less permits and stuff, so it's quite portable
@@bcbcfilm It has a grid connection but one rated to far less power than a conventional EV rapid charging bay. Its alot easier to get a 100kw connection than it would be to get 600kw required for 4x 150kw chargers. It uses this 100kw to charge the battery up during the night and breaks between vehicles being charged. If for example they found that 300kw of storage was not enough and the batteries were being completely discharged then they would just change it out to a 600kwh battery. It relies on the fact that the EV charging spot wont be in use 24 hours a day. If it was that busy that people were using it at 2am for example then they would have to consider an uprated grid connection
Agreed but I think this would work more in rural areas. Urban cities this would be challenging because of land space. That whole unit can only accomodate 2 chargers which is inefficient use of space in cities.
@H4M24UK perhaps in cities they could double stack the units so you have up to 1200kWh battery storage and 4x300kW car charging connections on the same footprint you need for grid tied chargers with a transformer.
Soo good in so many aspects! For example replacing an old single 50 kW charging station in remote location with this suddenly allows you to charge a Tycan at 300 kW without providing any more power to the location!
This is a great product, for multiple uses: - to create high power chargers on locations where you have limited grid, - for temporary expansion, to handle expected extra demand on special days, without requiring a lot of extra grid. - provide temporary pop up on demand for special events.
No I was thinking a capacitor is designed to discharge quickly and completely. I don’t think that’s the case with this one. It’s like a very large power buffer topped up from the grid or solar panels that also take advantage of lower tarif rates
20:00 Very cool. We need more of those solutions. Thanks Björn for showing so much cool stuff to us. If you look closely at this station I wonder if it would be possible to have 8 Charging Stations instead of just 4 (which are on the shadow side as well). 4 on every side (Northbound and Southbound) Greeting from a happy Tesla driver since 2019 and 80.000 km. Although I try to use my feet or my bycicle as much as possible I have to confirm that I really really enjoy driving my Tesla.
11:45. here in germany, with a mid voltage (20 kV) connection you pay around 140 € per kW the whole year. Even if it occurs only once. The price varies with the company who runs the grid in this area. So 300 kW meany at least 42000 € for a year just for peak power.
I want some of these on some of our sites. We have had to pay up to a 7 figure sum to get power to some sites so really could see this working in the UK.
Suitable for locations with no access to 10+ KV or higher power lines , could also use excess renewable energy once legislation changes this finally in Germany
Wow, this is a nice invention and company to show you around. You can even use this to charge during low energy cost time and flatten/deliver during high cost times. Add some solar field to it and you are suddenly a lot more sustainable and can shave even more costs off. Thanks for showing us and thanks to Elepower to let you film this. 🎉
What a great idea! Don’t have to dig up the car park and don’t have to have the EV chargers right next to a store’s entrance, which are always ICEd. Small hotels/motels and maybe isolated communities, where community parking could be 50m+ from dwellings. Plus people who live in flats but who have designated parking on the other side of a pavement or communal garden, etc.
Great information Bjørn! I could add that by using the new sodium-ion batteries (natrium-ion in Norwegian) that will be 30 - 50% cheaper, having a 5 - 10 times longer life cycle and with almost no impact regarding low or high tempratures this would secure the further succes.
Another great use might be the company you showed a long time back with the big lorries, they can charge with solar during the day and charge the trucks overnight, this can also hold true for bus companies where busses don't drive during the night!
I once sat next to a guy at a dinner who set up a company to use idle diesel power generators on building sites and factories (the ones that are also container sized) to remotely come on to help power the grid at peak times (around 5pm when people come home and start cooking). The beauty was it was at these times that the generators sat idle and it saved having to fire up coal powered fire stations to cope with peak demands. I remember thinking that EV vehicles and the infrastructure could maybe do the same and now here it is. Well done … what a great product in great packaging. If you put one outside Bjorn house I would happily drive from Scotland to come and use it 😂
This seems like an exceptionally appealing product, truly! Local grid bottlenecks (such as in and around Uppsala, Sweden), this would be perfect for I imagine.
I tried to post the following comment without paying, but I am not able to, Bjørn, help? Edit: Fixed! Thanks, I've deleted the redundant comment now. Anyways: I think there is some confusion around the battery blade/module size, no way in hell each one is 50 kWh as you state at 6:49, he says they are 5 kWh at 8:10 and also if you do the math on the box of batteries you showed earlier in the video, those are also 5 kWh. So each rack is 9 x 5 kWh = 45 kWh, looks like they have 6 battery racks, so 270 kWh ish? I'm not so sure about the total power as I am that each module is only 5 kWh. I have a 16 kWh home battery system in raw LFP cells so I have a pretty good feel for the volume of batteries needed to make that kWh.
1 Pixii cabinet contains 10 approx 5 kWh battery units= 50KwH in total pr cabinet. 6 Pixii cabinets= 300kWh. We can soon deliver units with up to 10 kWh making close to 600kWh in total in 1 ES unit.
This is the future right in front of us! Most people won't even know this is here but I can see this type of solution being rolled out for businesses all over the place. The battery revolution is here
Really good idea! Also nice that mostly local suppliers are used. If the current world teaches us one thing is that in Europe we need to become less dependent on outside of Europe.
We have been warned about putting all manufacturing into China, but everyone wants cheaper cheaper and cheaper. Now local manufacturers are price gaped so bad, that they are not competitive at all because no one is interested in local productions. Sad world we live in.
Interesting. You should have asked them why they're using LFP batteries in a 15s 48 volt configuration rather than the industry standard 16s 51.2 volt configuration. The reason 16s is more commonly used in LFP is a voltage drop below 3.2 volts per cell will occur under a 50% depth of discharge in a 15s configuration, which means drawing more 100 amps from 50% to 0% on a 100ah battery at a 1C discharge rate, which is harder on the battery because more resistance causing heat build up will occur at higher amp draws. A 16s configuration puts less stress on the battery since a constant draw of 3.2 volts per cell or higher will be maintained down to a 10% to 20% state of charge which means only drawing 100 amps on a 100 Ah for 80% to 90% of the discharge cycle. It was easy to tell all this information based on the nominal voltage, charge discharge voltages, and nominal capacity from the specification sticker that you zoomed in on.
I don't think that is that important in this application, they are far away from pushing these batts to their limits, for a 300 kWh system to output 360 kW, we are in the 1-2 C range, less if they have the grid connection helping at the time. The real answer is probably because 15s fit nicely in the boxes lol
I don't think this is true. A cell will discharge at the same voltage curve at 1C, regardless of what configuration the whole pack is in. Why would a cell have a different voltage at 50% when it is in a 16s pack than when it is in the same conditions in a 15s one?
Might be because 48 volt DC battery systems are regarded as "low voltage" which means fewer regulations and easier (and safer) to work on. If they were in higher voltage modules they would be more difficult to swap out etc. This system strikes me as one designed by engineers used to working with regulations and understanding how to make it easier for operators and maintainers even if that causes technological compromises. It fits in a standard shipping container and plugs into a very common size of grid connection and is self contained. This is so easy to install with very minimal equipment required, you need that level of simplicity to roll things out quickly. This turns the equivalent of a single 50kw chargers grid connection into four 360kw fast chargers, which are much more practical and generate much more money for the owner as they can serve many more customers and are more desirable for customers. All those charger locations that are currently a couple of 50kw chargers could be converted to full 8 charger fast charger locations with no grid upgrade. I strongly suspect those chargers are also perfectly spaced and lined up when you drop this in an existing carpark.
@@darekmistrz4364 Lack of demand. Even 2 years ago there were a fraction of the EV there are now. There was little interest in installing chargers at scale because there weren't enough cars to use them. Now everyone is scrabbling to get infrastructure in the ground. Over the last 12 months on routes I drive the number of charging points on one 300 mile stretch in the UK has increased by 8x after remaining static for 2 years previous. And they are all busy. Rapid unexpected growth has required the development of solutions like this. I can see them having long term use in seasonal areas like summer holiday destinations, where they are only installed for summer peak season.
I love this system, there are so many places in Canada where this would enable charging along our many out of the city highways, where now we have a dearth of them, and where we do have them, they’re only 50kw chargers.
@@Elywhere I would love to be able to send you a few. 😊 send me your email address. I am living in Asia for the next couple of years, but I still check PlugShare regularly to see if there are any chargers being added to locations other than the 401. and I’m not seeing any despite federal incentives.
This is brilliant technology that will help balance power networks and reduce the increasing demand chargers are having. Here in the Netherlands we have a massive problem that the network cannot cope with the demands being asked of it as everyone switches to solar power, using heat pumps and installing charges at home, offices, on street etc.. the limits of the network are holding back the transition to cleaner energy. This solution would really help to expand and balance whilst parts of the network are upgraded.
very interresting. was thinking about this solution many years now and you did it. and the solar thing can be very interesting for you in france where every carparking are above 50 cars require to be covered in solar. so that would make the units perfect in france
Verry nice and needed👍. Here in Germany we have Audi who have installed 3 Charginghubs with used Batterys from theyr testcars and maby a few others, but thats just a drop in the ocean ... We need so much of these in the comming years, as renewables are getting more and more, to store and shave of peaks. For now Germany has times when there is too much renewable in the grid, so they have to cut off solar and PV or literaly throw it away to neighbouring countrys ...
Hi Björn, thanks for a great video. You say this is good. I'd say that's an understatement. This is a big improvement. I live in Sweden and we use gas for fast backup and oil for slow backup. Just as few as 100 of these units would make a big difference in the Swedish electricity grid. We in Sweden have big problems because we have big units like nuclear power, 1400MW that disappears in a few seconds is our big problem. These fast-reacting batteries would free up capacity that we reserve and cannot use due to nuclear power today. We can use more of our electricity in sweden with this solution.
They stole my idea. Hahaha. I never realised how good my idea is.😊 This can get us to a point where we have enough EV batteries constantly connecting to the national power grid to help the transition to renewable energy
Grid balancing is an increasing problem with the build up of wind power. This is a very interesting solution, you just wonder how many of these will be needed.
25:00 I actually think all EVs "help" the grid as home charging is a big load that can be shifted from the hours of electricity shortage to the hours of electricity surplus. Often even saving money for the driver as they pay way less during the surplus hours if they have an hourly rate electrical contract like Tibber. Though this is on a scale and EVs will still cause challenges for local grids if we don't have these battery solutions. They should aslo help reduce the CPOs electrical bill as they charge for cheap during the night instead of the expensive day, and reduce the peak draw fees massively hopefully allowing for cheaper charging prices.
Wow. This is like taking the prefab Superchargers to the next level. Having such a flexible grid option can be such a benefit. I know Tesla has something similar they have deployed. Elywhere is taking this to be a fully deployable system plus more. I agree it is a brilliant solution. One better would be to have the solar addon for both the original container. Just lift the canopy to a safe angle to keep snow off them and you're good to go. It could be easy to drop to flat transport level. A versatile canopy for the parking would be cool though building into a container form with the raised platform might not be possible.Also would interfere with some who need to park off center for charge port. It would be a nice bundled solution.
Love this but what happens when battery is “empty”, 10%, and a car plugs is to charge? I assume the charge rate is then limited to incoming AC feed? May make sense to oversize aka bigger buffer.
If you empty the batteries (after 50-60 charging sessions in 24 hours) it takes the power directly from the local grid and fill up the batteries when needed
Great video! As for here I wish it would have a longer time to return invest and therefore offer lower charging prices - wouldn't 8 years do it too? Also I think it is a great way of not throwing away wind and solar electricity at one time and to make fossil power plants unnecessary at another time and for good.
This turns the equivalent of a single 50kw chargers grid connection into four 360kw (shared?) fast chargers, which are much more practical and generate much more money for the owner as they can serve many more customers and are more desirable for customers. All those charger locations that are currently a couple of 50kw chargers could be converted to full 8 charger hyper fast charger locations with no grid upgrade. You could turn up with a truck that has an integrated crane, drop this off and wire it in place of an existing 50kw charger, probably take just a few hours to complete the conversion (they quoted 2 hours to remove it) I strongly suspect those chargers are also perfectly spaced and lined up when you drop this in an existing carpark.
I’m still watching the video so maybe this gets covered or maybe I missed it, but when the charger battery SOC hits it’s minimum, what happens? Is the vehicle charging then limited to whatever the input power is capable of (minus the overhead of course) or do the chargers go offline until the charger battery SOC recharged enough? I’m also curious of the price to purchase and install one of these. I _love_ the idea and I’d really like to see these getting rolled out more, but I think it’s also clear that this isn’t a solution with zero downsides.
If you assume they would only have been able to install 1x 50 kW charger without this system, and then assume that at worst case, this system when maxed out falls back to being a 50 kW charger, then from that perspective it is zero downside.
Not quite sure I agree. For installations like the Circle-K location featured in the video, customers will need to rely on the functionality of the chargers when making travel plans. Here in the US, the charging network operated by Electrify America is a prominent example of the frustrating experience customers are facing. With units advertised as up to 350kw speeds but often found to be limited to much lower speeds, it wrecks travel plans. I don’t see how these units would avoid that issue.
@@HB-bv3ic As long as you manage expectations then what is the downside? Before they rolled in this container, 350 kW at this location simply did not exist, now it can exist. Nobody would have been counting on this location being 350 kW before, and as you are pointing out, they probably still shouldn't. However, the people that were rolling in hoping for 50 kW now have a decent shot at getting something higher than 50 kW, so can we not just be happy for this fact alone?
Surely for busy locations, with demand rising, this can only be a stopgap while getting a higher power connection installed? If the average load across a day or week is higher than the grid connection, it doesn’t matter how big the buffer is, eventually it’ll dry up. It looks great in terms of having something set up while waiting for the grid and permitting authorities to pull their finger out, though!
At 50 KW input they can charge 600 kWh in 12 hours (nighttime) so they can use this to fast charge 6+ cars (assuming they don't charge from 0 to 100% each, but even if they would wait to get 100% at some point the charging speed will be under the 50 the station gets from the grid so it will charge itself as well).
This is the great tech Thenerd6112 ;-) its mix between power from the local grid and the batteries ;-) and remember that all EV cars have a charging curve, AND the average charging is approx 34 kW, AND 80% of EV do not charge more than max 50kW, AND its the state of the car battery that decides the charging ++++
Interesting vlog, but it wasn't clear how the capacity is divided when it draws down towards empty. I suppose the trickle capacity will be divided between the ones charging? And will the customer who wants to charge see that it is empty before plugging in?
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Bjorn, why not ask about a sodium battery version? In Norway this could be better option than LFP. Cheaper and more cold resistant!
A great competitor for FreeWire - the american version of this. Elywhere is better because of the pre-built units and the ability to swap a unit according to needs.
The Rockwell Retro Encabulator keeps getting better and better! Finally the waneshaft has been fixed so that sidefumbling was effectively prevented. Good job all around!
Hope that gas stations can quickly adapt them. In place I live, circle k has no charging station because of lack of available power. With this solution is possible and easy to upgrade the gas station. Circle k, bring them on to every gas station in 2023
Is there a stock for this company? I would invest right away. This is just what the world needs so grid companies have the time to grow the electrical network at a safe pace.
They mentioned it was size of 20ft container. I was unable to see ISO-container corner mounts. I think it would be nice to have ISO-container corners, to make the modules easy to transport using an ISO container trailer/truck.
@@Elywhere very nice 👍 I love the concept. While watching, I just thought like "why is is there no ISO corners, when you make them the size of a 20ft container for easy transport, and ISO corners makes tie down to ISO-compatible trucks, trailers and trains quick and easy.
Nice! Try water cooling cables thanks. Now it's the opportunity to decentralize. All these people that are moving the prices up and down and laughing with us.
is it possible to mount this thing on a truck to have it as a rescue truck for cars that runs out of power? just drive the rescue truck to the car charge for 3-4 min an the car can get to the closest charger by it self. 3-4 min is almost the time it take to load a car on a rescue truck
Could NIO´s battery swap stations be used for the same purpose of balancing the grid? I guess they have good management system that charges the batteries at lowest cost possible.
They do kinda balance the grid already by not requiring a lot of energy at once since they charge slowly the batteries but they don't discharge in the grid to maintain the levels if needed because they need the batteries to be charged if a car comes in at any moment. They could keep 1-2 battery packs in reserve to handle this if they wanted tho.
can we use the battery to charge them at low price and deliver kwh at higher price too? so a combo of charger + grid optimiser with the possibility to charge at different speed and price? I am interested to build a business case and install these beauty in the South of France. our specificity is that all of Norway (and northen europe) come here in the summer and they stay at the chargers too long :-) but in the winter the chargers are not so busy. so it makes it more complexe to make money, optimising grid load balance + charging + batery and solar could be a very very interesting solution. please email me benoit@lemontreecapital.fr
Since they're LFP, I'd be curious how they keep them warm in the winter. Any such pack needs thermal management including warming, but LFP doubly so. Are the packs somehow thermally insulated for small heat losses? Or do they warm them up just temporarily for the recharge cycle and then let them cool down? Even some seasonal thermal padding could be used in principle 😀
They have fans for cooling the packs. But they actually also have heating fans for winter. Circle K who's one of the customers of Elywhere has two of these containers placed in north of Norway. The locations are Evenes and Buktamo. You can find them on Google maps.
At least for the Circle K location shown, the batts were constantly being charged or discharged, I bet they hardly have to use supplemental heating when these are in use.
My wet dreams: cover the parking lot with solar roofs, fill the batteries with DC power, direct DC connections to the DC charging outlets and do low cost charging prices at good solar times...
Great video and neat solution. One question I was hoping you would address is what happens when the battery is at the minimum SOC? Does the charger output it’s max it can pull from the grid (I.e. 40’ish kW)?
That is basically the electric equivalent of a fuel truck if you make it mobile and put it on a electric truck. AND this actually voids the arguments that there is not enough power for electric vehicles!
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I work in the UK Electricity transmission industry and this is a great idea. It solves so many issues in one compact unit. We need solutions like this available to quickly boost the EV infrastructure.
May I ask how is this portable is being charged?
@@bcbcfilm portable in the sense that you don't need to dig shit up in the ground and install this. If you don't need to dig those stuff you have less permits and stuff, so it's quite portable
@@bcbcfilm It has a grid connection but one rated to far less power than a conventional EV rapid charging bay. Its alot easier to get a 100kw connection than it would be to get 600kw required for 4x 150kw chargers. It uses this 100kw to charge the battery up during the night and breaks between vehicles being charged. If for example they found that 300kw of storage was not enough and the batteries were being completely discharged then they would just change it out to a 600kwh battery. It relies on the fact that the EV charging spot wont be in use 24 hours a day. If it was that busy that people were using it at 2am for example then they would have to consider an uprated grid connection
Agreed but I think this would work more in rural areas. Urban cities this would be challenging because of land space. That whole unit can only accomodate 2 chargers which is inefficient use of space in cities.
@H4M24UK perhaps in cities they could double stack the units so you have up to 1200kWh battery storage and 4x300kW car charging connections on the same footprint you need for grid tied chargers with a transformer.
Soo good in so many aspects! For example replacing an old single 50 kW charging station in remote location with this suddenly allows you to charge a Tycan at 300 kW without providing any more power to the location!
This is a great product, for multiple uses:
- to create high power chargers on locations where you have limited grid,
- for temporary expansion, to handle expected extra demand on special days, without requiring a lot of extra grid.
- provide temporary pop up on demand for special events.
It is like a large capacitor on the network. Smoothing out the peaks and troughs. Stable energy prices for the win!
Haha, even mentioned it at the end.
No I was thinking a capacitor is designed to discharge quickly and completely. I don’t think that’s the case with this one. It’s like a very large power buffer topped up from the grid or solar panels that also take advantage of lower tarif rates
This is actually amazing... This is the future of rapid charging in front of our eyes.
20:00 Very cool. We need more of those solutions. Thanks Björn for showing so much cool stuff to us.
If you look closely at this station I wonder if it would be possible to have 8 Charging Stations instead of just 4 (which are on the shadow side as well). 4 on every side (Northbound and Southbound)
Greeting from a happy Tesla driver since 2019 and 80.000 km. Although I try to use my feet or my bycicle as much as possible I have to confirm that I really really enjoy driving my Tesla.
If you needed 8 charging points, you could just put two containers in.
11:45. here in germany, with a mid voltage (20 kV) connection you pay around 140 € per kW the whole year. Even if it occurs only once. The price varies with the company who runs the grid in this area. So 300 kW meany at least 42000 € for a year just for peak power.
I want some of these on some of our sites. We have had to pay up to a 7 figure sum to get power to some sites so really could see this working in the UK.
Fantastic to see this kind of innovation. Would be amazing to see these in rural Australia to make long distance EV road trips here easier.
Would love to see a solution like this here in Australia. Especially since you could easily add a pile of solar to get an even better return on them
Suitable for locations with no access to 10+ KV or higher power lines , could also use excess renewable energy once legislation changes this finally in Germany
Wow, this is a nice invention and company to show you around. You can even use this to charge during low energy cost time and flatten/deliver during high cost times. Add some solar field to it and you are suddenly a lot more sustainable and can shave even more costs off. Thanks for showing us and thanks to Elepower to let you film this. 🎉
What a great video! Love the product/solution for the grid! Technology is moving at the speed of light! 🇨🇦
Great video Björn, Solves so many issues in one compact unit. We need this in the UK.
With the lack of decent power grid connection in the UK this is a very interesting product 🤔
What a great idea! Don’t have to dig up the car park and don’t have to have the EV chargers right next to a store’s entrance, which are always ICEd. Small hotels/motels and maybe isolated communities, where community parking could be 50m+ from dwellings. Plus people who live in flats but who have designated parking on the other side of a pavement or communal garden, etc.
Great idea. Imagine community battery storage with rapid chargers connected to them. Win-win.
Great information Bjørn! I could add that by using the new sodium-ion batteries (natrium-ion in Norwegian) that will be 30 - 50% cheaper, having a 5 - 10 times longer life cycle and with almost no impact regarding low or high tempratures this would secure the further succes.
Another great use might be the company you showed a long time back with the big lorries, they can charge with solar during the day and charge the trucks overnight, this can also hold true for bus companies where busses don't drive during the night!
I once sat next to a guy at a dinner who set up a company to use idle diesel power generators on building sites and factories (the ones that are also container sized) to remotely come on to help power the grid at peak times (around 5pm when people come home and start cooking). The beauty was it was at these times that the generators sat idle and it saved having to fire up coal powered fire stations to cope with peak demands. I remember thinking that EV vehicles and the infrastructure could maybe do the same and now here it is. Well done … what a great product in great packaging. If you put one outside Bjorn house I would happily drive from Scotland to come and use it 😂
great to see that the rapidly evolving charging ecosystem is now encouraging innovative solutions to reach the market
This seems like an exceptionally appealing product, truly! Local grid bottlenecks (such as in and around Uppsala, Sweden), this would be perfect for I imagine.
I tried to post the following comment without paying, but I am not able to, Bjørn, help? Edit: Fixed! Thanks, I've deleted the redundant comment now.
Anyways: I think there is some confusion around the battery blade/module size, no way in hell each one is 50 kWh as you state at 6:49, he says they are 5 kWh at 8:10 and also if you do the math on the box of batteries you showed earlier in the video, those are also 5 kWh. So each rack is 9 x 5 kWh = 45 kWh, looks like they have 6 battery racks, so 270 kWh ish? I'm not so sure about the total power as I am that each module is only 5 kWh. I have a 16 kWh home battery system in raw LFP cells so I have a pretty good feel for the volume of batteries needed to make that kWh.
1 Pixii cabinet contains 10 approx 5 kWh battery units= 50KwH in total pr cabinet. 6 Pixii cabinets= 300kWh. We can soon deliver units with up to 10 kWh making close to 600kWh in total in 1 ES unit.
Such a great modular and lower cost and speed installation. Great idea.
Asko should have these,imagine huge solar panel arrays and a "few" elewhere containers they could be self sufficient with power 😀
Very exciting technology. This could be very good at supermarkets and retail parks. Very good🙏👊
This is the future right in front of us! Most people won't even know this is here but I can see this type of solution being rolled out for businesses all over the place. The battery revolution is here
Really good idea! Also nice that mostly local suppliers are used. If the current world teaches us one thing is that in Europe we need to become less dependent on outside of Europe.
We have been warned about putting all manufacturing into China, but everyone wants cheaper cheaper and cheaper. Now local manufacturers are price gaped so bad, that they are not competitive at all because no one is interested in local productions. Sad world we live in.
This is a very cool solution and in the right locations the ability to supplement or replace grid power with solar would make it even better
@bjornnyland can you make a separate playlist for those videos with charging infrastructure interviews and reviews?
Real inovation. Love it.
Interesting. You should have asked them why they're using LFP batteries in a 15s 48 volt configuration rather than the industry standard 16s 51.2 volt configuration. The reason 16s is more commonly used in LFP is a voltage drop below 3.2 volts per cell will occur under a 50% depth of discharge in a 15s configuration, which means drawing more 100 amps from 50% to 0% on a 100ah battery at a 1C discharge rate, which is harder on the battery because more resistance causing heat build up will occur at higher amp draws. A 16s configuration puts less stress on the battery since a constant draw of 3.2 volts per cell or higher will be maintained down to a 10% to 20% state of charge which means only drawing 100 amps on a 100 Ah for 80% to 90% of the discharge cycle.
It was easy to tell all this information based on the nominal voltage, charge discharge voltages, and nominal capacity from the specification sticker that you zoomed in on.
I don't think that is that important in this application, they are far away from pushing these batts to their limits, for a 300 kWh system to output 360 kW, we are in the 1-2 C range, less if they have the grid connection helping at the time. The real answer is probably because 15s fit nicely in the boxes lol
I don't think this is true. A cell will discharge at the same voltage curve at 1C, regardless of what configuration the whole pack is in. Why would a cell have a different voltage at 50% when it is in a 16s pack than when it is in the same conditions in a 15s one?
Might be because 48 volt DC battery systems are regarded as "low voltage" which means fewer regulations and easier (and safer) to work on. If they were in higher voltage modules they would be more difficult to swap out etc.
This system strikes me as one designed by engineers used to working with regulations and understanding how to make it easier for operators and maintainers even if that causes technological compromises. It fits in a standard shipping container and plugs into a very common size of grid connection and is self contained. This is so easy to install with very minimal equipment required, you need that level of simplicity to roll things out quickly.
This turns the equivalent of a single 50kw chargers grid connection into four 360kw fast chargers, which are much more practical and generate much more money for the owner as they can serve many more customers and are more desirable for customers. All those charger locations that are currently a couple of 50kw chargers could be converted to full 8 charger fast charger locations with no grid upgrade.
I strongly suspect those chargers are also perfectly spaced and lined up when you drop this in an existing carpark.
@@insanityideas This is so simple that it's puzzling it took so long for a product like this to get into market.
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Lack of demand. Even 2 years ago there were a fraction of the EV there are now. There was little interest in installing chargers at scale because there weren't enough cars to use them. Now everyone is scrabbling to get infrastructure in the ground. Over the last 12 months on routes I drive the number of charging points on one 300 mile stretch in the UK has increased by 8x after remaining static for 2 years previous. And they are all busy.
Rapid unexpected growth has required the development of solutions like this.
I can see them having long term use in seasonal areas like summer holiday destinations, where they are only installed for summer peak season.
Super interesting, thanks for the video!
I love this system, there are so many places in Canada where this would enable charging along our many out of the city highways, where now we have a dearth of them, and where we do have them, they’re only 50kw chargers.
we would love to come to Canada! ;-) Send us a customer case! 😀
@@Elywhere I would love to be able to send you a few. 😊 send me your email address.
I am living in Asia for the next couple of years, but I still check PlugShare regularly to see if there are any chargers being added to locations other than the 401. and I’m not seeing any despite federal incentives.
This is brilliant technology that will help balance power networks and reduce the increasing demand chargers are having. Here in the Netherlands we have a massive problem that the network cannot cope with the demands being asked of it as everyone switches to solar power, using heat pumps and installing charges at home, offices, on street etc.. the limits of the network are holding back the transition to cleaner energy. This solution would really help to expand and balance whilst parts of the network are upgraded.
14:38. I think adstech from germany has some dc fast charger without double conversion.
Brilliant technology solution from Elywhere. Great vdeo Bjorn, really interesting.
very interresting. was thinking about this solution many years now and you did it.
and the solar thing can be very interesting for you in france where every carparking are above 50 cars require to be covered in solar. so that would make the units perfect in france
Very interesting… Does this rule also apply to northern France? And does all 50 parking spaces have to be covered? All the best, Per (Denmark)
@@nakfan u have to google, but the rule state they need to install solar. not sure the entire area or just partial
Verry nice and needed👍. Here in Germany we have Audi who have installed 3 Charginghubs with used Batterys from theyr testcars and maby a few others, but thats just a drop in the ocean ... We need so much of these in the comming years, as renewables are getting more and more, to store and shave of peaks. For now Germany has times when there is too much renewable in the grid, so they have to cut off solar and PV or literaly throw it away to neighbouring countrys ...
Same happening in Spain, too much green energy during some days.
Hi Björn, thanks for a great video.
You say this is good. I'd say that's an understatement. This is a big improvement.
I live in Sweden and we use gas for fast backup and oil for slow backup.
Just as few as 100 of these units would make a big difference in the Swedish electricity grid. We in Sweden have big problems because we have big units like nuclear power, 1400MW that disappears in a few seconds is our big problem. These fast-reacting batteries would free up capacity that we reserve and cannot use due to nuclear power today. We can use more of our electricity in sweden with this solution.
The pixii devices are rather magnificent.
They stole my idea.
Hahaha.
I never realised how good my idea is.😊
This can get us to a point where we have enough EV batteries constantly connecting to the national power grid to help the transition to renewable energy
this setting plus Solar cell will be very good for Thailand
Wow this has the potential to make a very wide charging network in remote areas very quickly!
Grid balancing is an increasing problem with the build up of wind power. This is a very interesting solution, you just wonder how many of these will be needed.
Nice job! Looking forward to seeing it in the wild!
So nice to see Bjørn. I'd like to know if multiple container setups can be connected to create a larger buffer?
Yes they can :)
Very nice! Elywhere will have DC coupling system. Get rid of ac conversion steps
Very impressive - wow
Basically UPS on BTS but used for car charging
Since it's 48V per pack/blade
No ;-) Much more than that actually
It´s great to have this kind of system with used battery instead of new lfp batteries, maybe it can be cheaper and much more sustainable.
25:00 I actually think all EVs "help" the grid as home charging is a big load that can be shifted from the hours of electricity shortage to the hours of electricity surplus. Often even saving money for the driver as they pay way less during the surplus hours if they have an hourly rate electrical contract like Tibber. Though this is on a scale and EVs will still cause challenges for local grids if we don't have these battery solutions.
They should aslo help reduce the CPOs electrical bill as they charge for cheap during the night instead of the expensive day, and reduce the peak draw fees massively hopefully allowing for cheaper charging prices.
We need this kind of facility which perfect in South Africa.
Congratulation - perfect product
Very nice inside tour of a good solution where available power might not be sufficient. Keep up the good work!
The container is not a permanent installation… But… it can stay there for a long time…🤔💭 ABC = Always Be Creative 😅
Wow. This is like taking the prefab Superchargers to the next level. Having such a flexible grid option can be such a benefit. I know Tesla has something similar they have deployed. Elywhere is taking this to be a fully deployable system plus more. I agree it is a brilliant solution.
One better would be to have the solar addon for both the original container. Just lift the canopy to a safe angle to keep snow off them and you're good to go. It could be easy to drop to flat transport level.
A versatile canopy for the parking would be cool though building into a container form with the raised platform might not be possible.Also would interfere with some who need to park off center for charge port. It would be a nice bundled solution.
A solar canopy would add only a few kW.
@@bjornnyland yeah, it's a cool thing if you have a solar farm at 50 meters or so and produce at least 100 kWh per day with it.
This is the smartes way too go. Best idea sins the wheel. 👍🏼💪🏻
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Love this but what happens when battery is “empty”, 10%, and a car plugs is to charge? I assume the charge rate is then limited to incoming AC feed? May make sense to oversize aka bigger buffer.
If you empty the batteries (after 50-60 charging sessions in 24 hours) it takes the power directly from the local grid and fill up the batteries when needed
Great solution.
Great video! As for here I wish it would have a longer time to return invest and therefore offer lower charging prices - wouldn't 8 years do it too? Also I think it is a great way of not throwing away wind and solar electricity at one time and to make fossil power plants unnecessary at another time and for good.
I loved this geek stuff! 😊
I just put three solar panels with max 1100W. I wonder if they make packs for home use...
not for home use unfortunately. not yet anyway ;-)
Very interesting
Super!
Peak shaving is a big issue but the setup must be installed in the right place to be helpful.
This turns the equivalent of a single 50kw chargers grid connection into four 360kw (shared?) fast chargers, which are much more practical and generate much more money for the owner as they can serve many more customers and are more desirable for customers. All those charger locations that are currently a couple of 50kw chargers could be converted to full 8 charger hyper fast charger locations with no grid upgrade.
You could turn up with a truck that has an integrated crane, drop this off and wire it in place of an existing 50kw charger, probably take just a few hours to complete the conversion (they quoted 2 hours to remove it)
I strongly suspect those chargers are also perfectly spaced and lined up when you drop this in an existing carpark.
I’m still watching the video so maybe this gets covered or maybe I missed it, but when the charger battery SOC hits it’s minimum, what happens? Is the vehicle charging then limited to whatever the input power is capable of (minus the overhead of course) or do the chargers go offline until the charger battery SOC recharged enough?
I’m also curious of the price to purchase and install one of these.
I _love_ the idea and I’d really like to see these getting rolled out more, but I think it’s also clear that this isn’t a solution with zero downsides.
presumably it limits grid power draw to the 48.8kW maximum charge rate (site specific) and connected vehicles get 48.8kW/# of charging sessions.
If you assume they would only have been able to install 1x 50 kW charger without this system, and then assume that at worst case, this system when maxed out falls back to being a 50 kW charger, then from that perspective it is zero downside.
Not quite sure I agree. For installations like the Circle-K location featured in the video, customers will need to rely on the functionality of the chargers when making travel plans. Here in the US, the charging network operated by Electrify America is a prominent example of the frustrating experience customers are facing. With units advertised as up to 350kw speeds but often found to be limited to much lower speeds, it wrecks travel plans. I don’t see how these units would avoid that issue.
@@HB-bv3ic As long as you manage expectations then what is the downside? Before they rolled in this container, 350 kW at this location simply did not exist, now it can exist. Nobody would have been counting on this location being 350 kW before, and as you are pointing out, they probably still shouldn't. However, the people that were rolling in hoping for 50 kW now have a decent shot at getting something higher than 50 kW, so can we not just be happy for this fact alone?
Surely for busy locations, with demand rising, this can only be a stopgap while getting a higher power connection installed? If the average load across a day or week is higher than the grid connection, it doesn’t matter how big the buffer is, eventually it’ll dry up. It looks great in terms of having something set up while waiting for the grid and permitting authorities to pull their finger out, though!
At 50 KW input they can charge 600 kWh in 12 hours (nighttime) so they can use this to fast charge 6+ cars (assuming they don't charge from 0 to 100% each, but even if they would wait to get 100% at some point the charging speed will be under the 50 the station gets from the grid so it will charge itself as well).
This is the great tech Thenerd6112 ;-) its mix between power from the local grid and the batteries ;-) and remember that all EV cars have a charging curve, AND the average charging is approx 34 kW, AND 80% of EV do not charge more than max 50kW, AND its the state of the car battery that decides the charging ++++
Interesting vlog, but it wasn't clear how the capacity is divided when it draws down towards empty. I suppose the trickle capacity will be divided between the ones charging? And will the customer who wants to charge see that it is empty before plugging in?
Bjorn, why not ask about a sodium battery version? In Norway this could be better option than LFP. Cheaper and more cold resistant!
A great competitor for FreeWire - the american version of this. Elywhere is better because of the pre-built units and the ability to swap a unit according to needs.
The Rockwell Retro Encabulator keeps getting better and better! Finally the waneshaft has been fixed so that sidefumbling was effectively prevented. Good job all around!
Great video Bjørn!
Hope that gas stations can quickly adapt them. In place I live, circle k has no charging station because of lack of available power. With this solution is possible and easy to upgrade the gas station. Circle k, bring them on to every gas station in 2023
Circle K in Norway is our biggest customer! ;-) Hopefully coming to a CK near you soon! :-D
Is there a stock for this company? I would invest right away. This is just what the world needs so grid companies have the time to grow the electrical network at a safe pace.
Lets go another video! :)
would this work in UK? We are looking to purchase this solution.
Amazing product
Bring them on 👍
They mentioned it was size of 20ft container.
I was unable to see ISO-container corner mounts.
I think it would be nice to have ISO-container corners, to make the modules easy to transport using an ISO container trailer/truck.
in progress ;-)
@@Elywhere very nice 👍 I love the concept.
While watching, I just thought like "why is is there no ISO corners, when you make them the size of a 20ft container for easy transport, and ISO corners makes tie down to ISO-compatible trucks, trailers and trains quick and easy.
Nice! Try water cooling cables thanks. Now it's the opportunity to decentralize. All these people that are moving the prices up and down and laughing with us.
Fantastic :)
is it possible to mount this thing on a truck to have it as a rescue truck for cars that runs out of power? just drive the rescue truck to the car charge for 3-4 min an the car can get to the closest charger by it self. 3-4 min is almost the time it take to load a car on a rescue truck
Could NIO´s battery swap stations be used for the same purpose of balancing the grid? I guess they have good management system that charges the batteries at lowest cost possible.
They do kinda balance the grid already by not requiring a lot of energy at once since they charge slowly the batteries but they don't discharge in the grid to maintain the levels if needed because they need the batteries to be charged if a car comes in at any moment. They could keep 1-2 battery packs in reserve to handle this if they wanted tho.
This is nice, if I had bunch of money I'd get it
can you deliver this kit in France?
can we use the battery to charge them at low price and deliver kwh at higher price too? so a combo of charger + grid optimiser with the possibility to charge at different speed and price?
I am interested to build a business case and install these beauty in the South of France. our specificity is that all of Norway (and northen europe) come here in the summer and they stay at the chargers too long :-) but in the winter the chargers are not so busy. so it makes it more complexe to make money, optimising grid load balance + charging + batery and solar could be a very very interesting solution. please email me benoit@lemontreecapital.fr
I wonder what the lifespan of such a unit could be? It has to be rough out in the elements!
8000-9000 cycles
Since they're LFP, I'd be curious how they keep them warm in the winter. Any such pack needs thermal management including warming, but LFP doubly so.
Are the packs somehow thermally insulated for small heat losses? Or do they warm them up just temporarily for the recharge cycle and then let them cool down? Even some seasonal thermal padding could be used in principle 😀
They have fans for cooling the packs. But they actually also have heating fans for winter. Circle K who's one of the customers of Elywhere has two of these containers placed in north of Norway. The locations are Evenes and Buktamo. You can find them on Google maps.
At least for the Circle K location shown, the batts were constantly being charged or discharged, I bet they hardly have to use supplemental heating when these are in use.
Heaters in the cabinets (coolers for warmer climates)
The United States could really use these. Freewire has a great concept but I can see semi-portable units like this really filling the needs
This is freewire on steroids. By being a little bit bigger it becomes a lot more desirable.
It is frekn marvelous. Do they operate in the USA?
Soon! ;-)
@@Elywhere wonderful!
My wet dreams: cover the parking lot with solar roofs, fill the batteries with DC power, direct DC connections to the DC charging outlets and do low cost charging prices at good solar times...
What kind of charger is there beside DC chargers 🙃 ?
Very very very nice!
Great video and neat solution. One question I was hoping you would address is what happens when the battery is at the minimum SOC? Does the charger output it’s max it can pull from the grid (I.e. 40’ish kW)?
Its actually up to the customer, but default its minimum 10% and max 90%
That is basically the electric equivalent of a fuel truck if you make it mobile and put it on a electric truck. AND this actually voids the arguments that there is not enough power for electric vehicles!
Yes yes yes - Tak for informativ video. Tak til fremsynet og inuvertiv Norge!!
- Hvad er energitabet i %
- Vil det være praktisk muligt ( og hensigsmæssigt) at overføre energitabet til nærliggende bygninger ?
Flemming fra Danmark
Ja, det kan være mulig Flemming. Vi ser på dette også
Great concept what does a unit cost?
We like this shiiet!
How many can you fit in a 12 meter shipping container? What is the cost $
It have the same size as a container so it want fit in it unfortunately
wow good wiewing on this Video :D
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