Home Charging Notes: 240-volt 60-amp circuit = 11.5 kW per hour = 33 miles added per hour* 240-volt 50-amp circuit = 9.6 kW per hour = 28 miles added per hour* 110-volt 35-amp circuit = 3.1 kW per hour = 9 miles added per hour* * based on efficiency of 3 miles per kWh (my Lucid averages 3.7 miles per kWh) The time it takes to charge your battery will depend on the kWh size of your battery. My Lucid has a usable battery size of 86 kWh To learn about range, battery size and charging visit my website www.evrangecalculator.com/
Good vid and lots of great advice. If you get a charger that is hard wired rather than using a plug, you can safely charge at 11.5 Kwh (48A) on the same 50A circuit. I'm using an Emporia.
@@ScottDLR That is actually incorrect. Any circuit that is considered continuous, basically anything that runs more than 2 hours or longer, needs to be de-rated by 20% according to NEC article 625, as seen here: "According to the National Electrical Code (NEC), when installing a dedicated circuit for EV charging, you should follow the "80% rule," effectively providing a dedicated circuit with sufficient capacity to prevent overloading and potential damage to the wiring; this is typically applied by selecting a circuit breaker size that is at least 20% larger than the charger's amperage rating." To run a 48A charging, your breaker and your wiring has to be rated at 60A, not 50A.
Another thing I love about the EV besides the acceleration is how fast they heat up in the winter! You don’t need remote start, but you go on the app and turn on the climate control. Don’t need to be parked outside like a remote start vehicle, it will go to your preset temp quickly, and your butt warmers and steering wheel heater will have it toasty real quick!
Age 72, have a Tesla Model Y. I started with a 50 amp, 240V outlet installed myself. I installed one at my cabin, but code required a gfci breaker. It immediately kicks off because the tesla charging cable has a built in ground fault. I switched to a charge station, that didn’t require a ground fault breaker and was easy to switch over and hard wire it in. At home I signed up for off peak electricity and went on the solar and wind only program. The power company required a professional install to get their $500 rebate, not just an inspection which I had done before. The power on off-peak is $.08 per kwh, about half of regular. It goes on at 11pm, cuts off at 8 am. I plug in every night, and wake up to a full tank. My bill for fuel last month was $12, and my accumulated total time spent on charging was about 2 minutes… however long it takes to step out of the car, grab the plug and insert. I agree, you do get spoiled!
You should steal a term I heard for a gasoline-powered vehicle. (My son, who had an EV before we did, found it on the 'net.) DDB: dead dinosaur burner. Charging at home: we have a Rvian--branded charger, which is set up on the outsoide wall of our garage.
Thanks, Paul, for another very informative video. I am intrigued by the idea of having a car that can be charged at home and, perhaps even more so, by the fact that it can be periodically updated via its onboard computer. However, I think that the big stumbling block for most people in purchasing an EV is its initial cost. Even in the more affordable range of cars like a Kona or Kia, here in Canada, it will cost you, with government rebates, at least $17K more to buy the EV version. For a retired person, who puts only a few miles on the car in a year, the savings on gas and repairs over the years unfortunately would not offset the initial premium paid for the EV. As an aside, being a grandfather myself, I especially liked your video of you flying with your granddaughter.
Thank you! I'm glad you saw that flying video with my granddaughter. She is special. As for the cost, I agree, but prices have come down since I made my purchase. The used market has some great buys. Thanks for your kind comments.
I know Paul, and he knows his stuff! As an EV owner myself I get these questions from friends looking to buy one all the time. I have an elevator speech memorized. But now, I just tell them to watch this video! Just to be clear, it kind of sounded like Paul said a good receptacle was $7,500! He said $75-$100. Thanks Paul!
Thanks, buddy! You also heard my slip at the beginning, "RV" vs EV. Oops! I'm trying to speak what's on my mind without a script and editing.... maybe I need to rethink that one. Thanks for clarifying me slur on the $$ for charging dispenser. Looking forward to seeing you soon!
You can either use the Hubbell which is $75 to $100, or the Bryant 9450FR, which is basically the same outlet made by Hubbell under their Bryant line which will run you around $50 to $60.
I've owned a Tesla model Y for about two years. I agree with you about home charging being the key to a happy EV owner. I would add that having a garage to park it in is also very important especially in cold/hot climates. Keep making videos, I think it helps people decide if they want an EV.
I'm in my 70s and my older house didn't really have room in the circuit breaker box. What I did instead was on the other side of my garage wall is my laundry room, and dryers run off a 240V/30A plug/circuit. I bought a Splitvolt ($300) that you plug into that outlet and you plug your dryer into it and it has another plug that you run out to your car. It auto-switches to the dryer when you use it, then auto-switches back to the car when the dryer finishes. I just had to buy a 30A extension cord to run through the wall out to the car and a 30A charger adapter. A small RV camper plastic power cord hatch (2) cover the inside/outside hole in the wall. It works great and only slightly slower than a 50A. BTW, older houses have 3-prong 30A plugs, newer are 4-prong plugs so you need to get the right box. Splitvolt isn't the only box like this. Box + adapter + extension cord cost me about $425 when I got it 1+ years ago.
Good to know, thanks for sharing. One point, you probably already know, if the breaker is 30 amp the max pull needs to 20% less. That equates to 24 amps max.
@@LifeAfter70-years Yes. I was worried about that, but found the Tesla automatically charges at the reduced amps when you plug in at 15A, 30A, 50A circuits.(And the Splitvolt text on the front says warning max 24A.) I don't know if other EVs do that automatically.
As I mentioned in the comments of your other video. I only drive about 100 miles per month. I charge at home on 110 volts. With my driving habits I get better than 4.5 miles per kilowatt hour. The range of my Hyundai is officially 220 miles but the way I drive, the car indicates over 300 miles range. I like shiny new things so I'm leasing. Getting an EV was the best thing I've done for my lifestyle.
I have the same situation with my car. When finished charging it will show miles available that are not realistic. It does adjust along the way, but only after leaving the charging station and on route to my destination. Because of this (and my endless need to understand how things work), I developed an app iOS and made it available for free on the Apple Store. You can visit my website www.evrangecalculator.com/ to learn more. Thanks for watching my videos!
Good advice to use a high quality 240 V outlet. The cheap ones are fine for electric ovens, but not EVs continuous high loads. Best way is to hard wire the EVSE, with no outlet or plug to fail. This also is cheaper for jurisdictions that use the latest NEC (national electrical code), which requires an expensive GFCI breaker. EVSEs have GFCI built in, so no need for a second one to protect the outlet and plug when you hard wire.
Great video👍@ 10:55 looking forward to your knowledge/experience about fast charging....i rented a CT to try 110v charging in our garage...i think my 12 ' narrow gauge extention cord limited the charging speed! 2 mph! App displayed 12 amps maximum available from a 30 amp upgraded 110v breaker circuit i had professionally upgraded for my 2hp tablesaw....
They now make a breaker that fits on under the meter base irregardless of your service as long as you’re meter base is in plugging distance to your vehicle. I have 100 amp service and as long as you charge overnight it should not be a problem.
The house was built with the 2 water heaters. All of the homes in our development are the same. My research on this question takes me to the likely reason: efficiency. One can be turned off except in times of high needs (aka house guests).
Great informative video…Thank you.. I’ve test driven a couple of EV’s..The Soltera and Ionic 5.. An Uber driver gave me a ride in a Tesla model 3. Very impressed with all of them and I’m definitely considering getting one. Even had a 240 plug installed in the garage..Don’t know if I should wait until the sodium ion battery is in more models. I’ve had my ICE car for over 18 years. It just turned 99k miles. It runs just fine and I don’t put a lot of miles on a car..So just debating with myself at this point…ha..again great video..👍
All the modern EV batteries will basically outlast the car by now. So, unless the Sodium battery is a cost concern or another factor, the average EV battery will easily last 300k miles today, more than you will probably drive in your lifetime...
Having a plug just allows you to quickly replace or upgrade the charger when needed. If your EV supports anything above 10kW, most higher output chargers are usually hard wired, up to 19.2kW. The NACS plug will become the standard on most EV's, and the CCS/J-1772 plugs will start fading into the sunset. Allows you to replace the charger with a NACS charger when the time comes...
Thanks for your informative video. I previewed your ecrc app.looks tobe a good product but you need an apple product. Like iphone or iPad it would be if it was for android Google play store
Thanks. I began writing that app exactly one year ago and it is a bit of a story that I plan to tell in a future video. It was a long, labor intensive learning experience for me with lots of starts and stops along the way. I do have code for an Android version and likely will publish it in the future. I'm currently a victim of trying to do too much too fast. Thanks for your input!
You have good ears. That one slipped past me. I have owned RVs for about 50 years until recently. Somethings just get stuck your head and won't go away. :)
Home Charging Notes:
240-volt 60-amp circuit = 11.5 kW per hour = 33 miles added per hour*
240-volt 50-amp circuit = 9.6 kW per hour = 28 miles added per hour*
110-volt 35-amp circuit = 3.1 kW per hour = 9 miles added per hour*
* based on efficiency of 3 miles per kWh (my Lucid averages 3.7 miles per kWh)
The time it takes to charge your battery will depend on the kWh size of your battery. My Lucid has a usable battery size of 86 kWh
To learn about range, battery size and charging visit my website www.evrangecalculator.com/
Good vid and lots of great advice.
If you get a charger that is hard wired rather than using a plug, you can safely charge at 11.5 Kwh (48A) on the same 50A circuit. I'm using an Emporia.
@@ScottDLR That is actually incorrect. Any circuit that is considered continuous, basically anything that runs more than 2 hours or longer, needs to be de-rated by 20% according to NEC article 625, as seen here:
"According to the National Electrical Code (NEC), when installing a dedicated circuit for EV charging, you should follow the "80% rule," effectively providing a dedicated circuit with sufficient capacity to prevent overloading and potential damage to the wiring; this is typically applied by selecting a circuit breaker size that is at least 20% larger than the charger's amperage rating."
To run a 48A charging, your breaker and your wiring has to be rated at 60A, not 50A.
@@redbaron6805 My apologies, I made a mistake, The circuit is powered by a 60A, not 50A breaker.
Another thing I love about the EV besides the acceleration is how fast they heat up in the winter! You don’t need remote start, but you go on the app and turn on the climate control. Don’t need to be parked outside like a remote start vehicle, it will go to your preset temp quickly, and your butt warmers and steering wheel heater will have it toasty real quick!
There are so many things to love. Thank you for sharing!
Age 72, have a Tesla Model Y. I started with a 50 amp, 240V outlet installed myself. I installed one at my cabin, but code required a gfci breaker. It immediately kicks off because the tesla charging cable has a built in ground fault. I switched to a charge station, that didn’t require a ground fault breaker and was easy to switch over and hard wire it in. At home I signed up for off peak electricity and went on the solar and wind only program. The power company required a professional install to get their $500 rebate, not just an inspection which I had done before.
The power on off-peak is $.08 per kwh, about half of regular. It goes on at 11pm, cuts off at 8 am. I plug in every night, and wake up to a full tank. My bill for fuel last month was $12, and my accumulated total time spent on charging was about 2 minutes… however long it takes to step out of the car, grab the plug and insert. I agree, you do get spoiled!
Thanks for sharing your experience and great advice! Your post will help the EV revolution!
You should steal a term I heard for a gasoline-powered vehicle. (My son, who had an EV before we did, found it on the 'net.) DDB: dead dinosaur burner.
Charging at home: we have a Rvian--branded charger, which is set up on the outsoide wall of our garage.
Thanks, Paul, for another very informative video.
I am intrigued by the idea of having a car that can be charged at home and, perhaps even more so, by the fact that it can be periodically updated via its onboard computer.
However, I think that the big stumbling block for most people in purchasing an EV is its initial cost. Even in the more affordable range of cars like a Kona or Kia, here in Canada, it will cost you, with government rebates, at least $17K more to buy the EV version.
For a retired person, who puts only a few miles on the car in a year, the savings on gas and repairs over the years unfortunately would not offset the initial premium paid for the EV.
As an aside, being a grandfather myself, I especially liked your video of you flying with your granddaughter.
Thank you! I'm glad you saw that flying video with my granddaughter. She is special. As for the cost, I agree, but prices have come down since I made my purchase. The used market has some great buys. Thanks for your kind comments.
I know Paul, and he knows his stuff! As an EV owner myself I get these questions from friends looking to buy one all the time. I have an elevator speech memorized. But now, I just tell them to watch this video! Just to be clear, it kind of sounded like Paul said a good receptacle was $7,500! He said $75-$100. Thanks Paul!
Thanks, buddy! You also heard my slip at the beginning, "RV" vs EV. Oops! I'm trying to speak what's on my mind without a script and editing.... maybe I need to rethink that one. Thanks for clarifying me slur on the $$ for charging dispenser. Looking forward to seeing you soon!
You can either use the Hubbell which is $75 to $100, or the Bryant 9450FR, which is basically the same outlet made by Hubbell under their Bryant line which will run you around $50 to $60.
I've owned a Tesla model Y for about two years. I agree with you about home charging being the key to a happy EV owner. I would add that having a garage to park it in is also very important especially in cold/hot climates. Keep making videos, I think it helps people decide if they want an EV.
I’m glad you found the video helpful! A garage is a big plus.
I'm in my 70s and my older house didn't really have room in the circuit breaker box. What I did instead was on the other side of my garage wall is my laundry room, and dryers run off a 240V/30A plug/circuit. I bought a Splitvolt ($300) that you plug into that outlet and you plug your dryer into it and it has another plug that you run out to your car. It auto-switches to the dryer when you use it, then auto-switches back to the car when the dryer finishes. I just had to buy a 30A extension cord to run through the wall out to the car and a 30A charger adapter. A small RV camper plastic power cord hatch (2) cover the inside/outside hole in the wall. It works great and only slightly slower than a 50A. BTW, older houses have 3-prong 30A plugs, newer are 4-prong plugs so you need to get the right box. Splitvolt isn't the only box like this. Box + adapter + extension cord cost me about $425 when I got it 1+ years ago.
Good to know, thanks for sharing. One point, you probably already know, if the breaker is 30 amp the max pull needs to 20% less. That equates to 24 amps max.
@@LifeAfter70-years Yes. I was worried about that, but found the Tesla automatically charges at the reduced amps when you plug in at 15A, 30A, 50A circuits.(And the Splitvolt text on the front says warning max 24A.) I don't know if other EVs do that automatically.
As I mentioned in the comments of your other video. I only drive about 100 miles per month. I charge at home on 110 volts. With my driving habits I get better than 4.5 miles per kilowatt hour. The range of my Hyundai is officially 220 miles but the way I drive, the car indicates over 300 miles range.
I like shiny new things so I'm leasing. Getting an EV was the best thing I've done for my lifestyle.
I have the same situation with my car. When finished charging it will show miles available that are not realistic. It does adjust along the way, but only after leaving the charging station and on route to my destination. Because of this (and my endless need to understand how things work), I developed an app iOS and made it available for free on the Apple Store. You can visit my website www.evrangecalculator.com/ to learn more. Thanks for watching my videos!
Good advice to use a high quality 240 V outlet. The cheap ones are fine for electric ovens, but not EVs continuous high loads. Best way is to hard wire the EVSE, with no outlet or plug to fail. This also is cheaper for jurisdictions that use the latest NEC (national electrical code), which requires an expensive GFCI breaker. EVSEs have GFCI built in, so no need for a second one to protect the outlet and plug when you hard wire.
You’re right, go hardwire! I selected the plug option so that I could transport the charger between my two homes.
Great video👍@ 10:55 looking forward to your knowledge/experience about fast charging....i rented a CT to try 110v charging in our garage...i think my 12 ' narrow gauge extention cord limited the charging speed!
2 mph! App displayed 12 amps maximum available from a 30 amp upgraded 110v breaker circuit i had professionally upgraded for my 2hp tablesaw....
Thanks for watching! Do what works for you because charging speed is only important if you need it.
They now make a breaker that fits on under the meter base irregardless of your service as long as you’re meter base is in plugging distance to your vehicle. I have 100 amp service and as long as you charge overnight it should not be a problem.
Wow!! Send me a link and I will put in the description. Thanks for sharing!
Great informative video❤ @5:05 why 2 water heaters....🤔jus curious, never seen that before👀
The house was built with the 2 water heaters. All of the homes in our development are the same. My research on this question takes me to the likely reason: efficiency. One can be turned off except in times of high needs (aka house guests).
Great informative video…Thank you.. I’ve test driven a couple of EV’s..The Soltera and Ionic 5.. An Uber driver gave me a ride in a Tesla model 3. Very impressed with all of them and I’m definitely considering getting one. Even had a 240 plug installed in the garage..Don’t know if I should wait until the sodium ion battery is in more models. I’ve had my ICE car for over 18 years. It just turned 99k miles. It runs just fine and I don’t put a lot of miles on a car..So just debating with myself at this point…ha..again great video..👍
All the modern EV batteries will basically outlast the car by now. So, unless the Sodium battery is a cost concern or another factor, the average EV battery will easily last 300k miles today, more than you will probably drive in your lifetime...
👋?4u...what is the peak rate in your garage charging situation? 10:00
Power (kW)=40×240÷1000=9.6kW. So, 40 amps at 240 volts is 9.6 kW
would Hard wiring be better? Or just install a plug? I guess having a plug you could up grade later on to a newer/better adapter?
Hardwire is best. I used a plug to move the charger between homes.
Having a plug just allows you to quickly replace or upgrade the charger when needed. If your EV supports anything above 10kW, most higher output chargers are usually hard wired, up to 19.2kW.
The NACS plug will become the standard on most EV's, and the CCS/J-1772 plugs will start fading into the sunset. Allows you to replace the charger with a NACS charger when the time comes...
Thanks for your informative video. I previewed your ecrc app.looks tobe a good product but you need an apple product. Like iphone or iPad it would be if it was for android Google play store
Thanks. I began writing that app exactly one year ago and it is a bit of a story that I plan to tell in a future video. It was a long, labor intensive learning experience for me with lots of starts and stops along the way. I do have code for an Android version and likely will publish it in the future. I'm currently a victim of trying to do too much too fast. Thanks for your input!
AMAZING VIDEO- Can you power your house with the car if you need to? 🎉
Yes you can! Coming soon!
I think you meant to say “about buying an EV” instead of RV.
You have good ears. That one slipped past me. I have owned RVs for about 50 years until recently. Somethings just get stuck your head and won't go away. :)